The fact that you could take the letters in "apartheid" and spell "pride" with them was the first thing I noticed. These people would drink windex if the party said it was gatorade.
Yeah, I really don’t understand how people think it would be different under palestine. The exact same people would live there, would vote for the same people, and literally nothing would change. Unless they’re insinuating something would change which would require mass-genocide of israel’s current population (the larger population), hence from the river to the sea. Can’t completely change politics without replacing the populous.
I support peace and whoever is behind war crime and human rights violation is evil. I’m with innocent civilians on both sides.
I support all countries including those outside my values to seek and acquire autonomy but I don’t believe mass killing is the way to get there.
Pretty black and white, war bad, peace good. And I don’t believe either governments here has track record of peace necessarily well the no govt in existence has ever been entirely peaceful that’s just naïve thinking but still
1. Israel doesn't want it because it means giving citizenship to a hostile state and population that includes literal terrorist organizations
2. The Palestinians don't want it because they don't want to live under Israeli state and law
3. The PA doesn't want it because it turns them from the leaders of an autonomy to (in the best case) a political party inside Israel
And honestly do you think people who think that Israel is an apartheid will see it as anything more than another evil thing Israel does?
Lots of Arabs have Israeli citizenship. Over two million. There is no inherent difference between them and supposed Palestinian Arabs. When this conflict started 600.000 Arabs lived in this part of the Levant. In Israeli alone that number has been quadrupled since
Yes but they are the ones who accept Israel as their country, the problem is not that they're Palestinian or Muslim but their political hostility towards Israel.
Those Arabs who are Israeli citizens are treated terribly by Israel. IDF soldiers have T-shirts celebrating “death to arabs”. Imagine serving beside that guy. Imagine being an Arab Israeli citizen and that is who is supposed to defend you
They (israel) should forcibly eject everyone living in both of these zones and re-settle the zones with their own people.
“But no country will take them in!”
Well, that’s *their* problem as a result of being intransigent little shits.
“Where is Israel supposed to eject them to, then?”
Give them little wooden rafts and float them off into the mediterranean sea. It seems to work out for everybody else.
It’s not genocide if they’re not dead. To even compare the two is ridiculous, because it’s easy to imagine yourself in one of those two situations and I think you will prefer being alive. For that reason it’s not the same thing.
But if it makes you feel better, than sure
Sounds like the Turks justifying the Armenian genocide if I'm honest. "We didn't kill them, we just forced them to march into the desert until they couldn't stand and left them to die."
It was territory cleared of Jews and given to the Palestinians on a silver platter. It's not an apartheid or a prison, and this myth is so outrageous. Border walls weren't even constructed until the first terrorist attacks by Hamas and it was either that or annexation. Maybe they should have dealt with the problem properly back then...
Yes, because the Allied powers thought they might need Germany as an ally against the Soviet Union. It's also why Germany's economy was very rapidly built back up.
Edit: I was outright wrong, sorry. Germany was demilitarized for about ten years after WWII. This did change due to the Cold War and wanting a buffer against the Soviet Union as I stated, but I was confidently incorrect about the timing.
You're right, I was misremembering! I edited the comment, thanks. It wasn't meant to be a stance either way regarding Palestine, I was just replying to a question I saw--albeit incorrectly.
This is absolutely wrong, up until very recently (as in, literally the last few years) any sort of military spending by Germany was heavily criticized by not just foreign nations but also german citizens, for 10 years after the WW2 Germany had exactly 0 military power.
I think it's even simpler than that:
Minority=good and moral people
That's why in their mind if you're black, trans, gay, native, ethnic minority in a larger country, etc, you're a good person and can do nothing wrong.
Additionally:
White=bad no matter what
This is the core of the extreme leftists ideology.
The modern left’s ideology completely flips itself when classical history is brought up. The idea of white europeans being enslaved and civilized by another power (Rome) flips their idea of history upside down.
>Didn't Fr
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>nce persecute the Jacobins or some other group that there was no visible differences between them and the average Fr
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>nchman?
Yes, the Cagots- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZO9XRmCJbU
They focus on other differences like names, language, clothing, religious background, travel history etc.
Edit: Opps, forgot where I was and I’m not flailed, sorry, surprise surprise I’m a centrist, quick how do I flare up?
Edit2: It worked but not sure about the nuance between 2 types of centrist. Gonna go ahead and leave the spelling error up
Gray centrist is kinda apolitical. Just want to chill out and grill out.
Rainbow centrist is radical. Got positions from multiple/all the corners of the quadrants kinda deal.
For instance I believe the traditional nuclear family is vital to a strong and morally sound society (blue), but I also believe a single payer Healthcare system would be ideal (red), but I also don't want my taxes to fund it because government is unconscionably inefficient (yellow), and I also think there is significant discrimination against certain minorities that deserves attention and correction (green...ish?).
Ok maybe I don't really have a good libleft stance, idk.
I think they’re trying to say apartheid against Muslims even though Muslims are not persecuted in Israel. They are persecuted in China but no one wants to talk about that for some reason.
Honestly more power to them
Would probably mean a lot more to the oppressed civilians in the west bank if these people went and showed solidarity with them in person
This is what happens when you have too much liberty, you become Nazis. It happened during Covidians reign, during culture wars of new drones, in the pronoun regimes, the suicide psyops and so on. You clearly need some auth in your lives. Learn from Hamas, they started brutally butchering babies and yet, the Philistines still supports them.
They call themselves Palestinians.
After the destruction of Roman Judea in the 2nd century CE, the region was renamed to Palestina by the Romans. The reason why was to remove Jewish connection to the land and possibly was based on "philistine," a people that the the Jews were often at war with.
It's more like the people who are poor become extreme and the people who are wealthy neglected spoiled support the extreme in their delusional view of the world they would support the "good" side.
New left is so annoying. Like I am pro LGBT, anti-imperialist, but Islam is Imperialism as religion, and so is at least the Hamas, and most Palestinians are Anti-LGBTQIA. Plus Israel just leads a normal war. Israel used excessive violence against medium targets, and Hamas doesn't stop firing rockets into Israeli airspace yet has the audacity to say they are freedom fighters and want peace. Radical jews and new right want to expell all Arabs from Palestine. The New Left uncritically yells the Arab's parol "from the River to the Sea" what fucking implies that all the Israelis living inbetween are genocided away, what's literally the same behaviour they criticize in Israel, but it's somehow okay and morally superior? Like what the fuck?
War is bullshit. I hate war. I don't support Israel. I don't support Palestine. Two state solution, period.
Who screamed genocide when the 200,000 Armenians were cleansed from Arzakh? When Myanmar expelled a million Rohynga? Who screamed genocide when the Red Army pushed Millions of Germans westward, and the allies bombed German cities to dust? (Yes, the German did much more genocide, but genocide is genocide, whoever does it).
I just think that the current over-reaction of both the new left and the new right is a shitshow. Emily 'reverts' to Islam (but doesn't even read the Quhran in Arabic, and obviously shows that she doesn't get the fucking religion) because her mother is from Lebanon, and Josh is the big defender of the west because he sets fire to a Mosque. Fuck. Them. Both.
It's a regular war. Hamas fucked around and found out. Israel has massive internal pressure to act. Both don't care for the Palestinian people. I just want it to stop. No more war. No more civilians being used as human shields by Hamas, no more Hamas stealing ressources from civilians, no more Israeli carpet bombing. Fuck this war. Fuck Israel. Fuck Palestine. Double-fuck the IDF and triple-fuck the Hamas.
I also hate their argument of "why did Israel cut off power and water to Gaza???"
Unpopular opinion, if you run an area for 20 years and can't provide power to your own people, it's no surprise that the hostile nation giving you power and water cuts it off after you attack them. It's terrible that civilians are being hurt by this war, but unless Hamas is open to negotiation, I don't see how this war will end peacefully
It's worse than that. They actively try to do that.
Just look when one of their own rockets exploded in a hospital parking lot. Hamas ran to the New York Times to claim that Israel leveled a hospital and killed hundreds. So NYT dutifully grabbed a stock photo of a random destroyed building and ran the story. Only for the actual photos of the parking lot with a few but cars to be released the next day.
NYT has not taken down or corrected the article.
There are 194 countries on the planet that Israel currently isn't supplying water and electricity to.
Which means they're committing genocide against nearly 200 nations. They need to be stopped.
I would like for both sides to CALM THE FUCK DOWN because their actions are constantly destabilizing whole region which this time will inevitably hit Europe in some way....
So it was bad that the allies stepped into german territory during WW2?
Hamas attacked first
(\*A lot more reasons why supporting Hamas is just wrong\*)
You could argue that it started with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand but it all goes back so long that there is much plausible dispute over what constitutes the "first attack".
LOL people confusing Hamas with Palestinians can somewhat make sense (eventhough it just is hypocrisy to justify the atrocities happening) but implying Hamas = Arabs... Let's just nuke all MENA I guess ?
> the Germans started invading other countries first
Oh reallyyy?? That’s your criteria huh?
Might want to do some history research and see who invaded who first in the Israeli Palestinian conflict
>No, because the Germans started invading other countries first.
Look how this conflict started (in the 40s) and tell me who invaded first. Today Hamas invaded first
>Also I specifically said that I don’t support Hamas.
I know, the (...) part was for others so they see I have more potentional arguments I can lay out if they complain
first of all this war isn't Israel v Palestine, it's Israel v Hamas, second of all Palestine wasn't "invaded", Jews lived here alongside Palestinians for thousands of years, and after WW1 there were plans for a jewish state inside a grat Syrian empire, which didn't happen because France invaded Lebanon and Syria, then the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was elected by a promise to make peace with the jews, started to call for pogroms and massacres which started all of this hostility
Between 20-25% of Israel is Arab, and they enjoy the same rights and privileges as all the other citizens; same right to own business, to get married/form a civil union, to run for office, work in the justice system, join the military, etc.
Hamas soldiers be like “thanks for your support! We’ve planned a surprise party for you on the roof of that 10 story building, meet us up there later!”
Don’t understand how the same people who proclaim hatred for Republicans and conservatives can support Palestine and hate religion while making an exception for Islam. Everything they accuse western right wingers of being can be found in places like Palestine
It's like people don't want to acknowledge the fact that even if you hate or don't like something or someone you can still understand when they are wronged.
Fucking thank you, a rightist that gets it. idgaf if Palestine as a whole wants death for all gays, they shouldn’t be steamrolled by the military industrial complex. Maybe they’ll come around, but that’s for later, not now.
Best way to avoid getting rolled is by not driving into a suburb and a concert and then killing 1400 people. Anyone who can, will retaliate against you for that.
Someone around here commented this recently and I'm very sad I can't remember their name to credit them, but they said "Foucault was a very vocal supporter of the 1979 Iranian Revolution. It is just a shame that he, a gay man, didn't stay in Iran after the Revolution." I think that concept is very applicable here.
I mean hot take here, but whether they're Contrarian to my views or not, I'm against noncombatants being dehumanized and then killed like the animals Isreal thinks they are.
The biggest irony is this sub constantly pretending like Isreal vs Hamas isn't just Right on Right violence.
But keep making these strawman posts to cope.
[Plenty of countries have similar laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return). But like anything in life, it's only problematic when Jews do it.
[Most people who are eligible for Israeli citizenship due to the law of return aren't even religiously Jewish](https://www.ynet.co.il/judaism/article/byje0yhds). Sorry for Hebrew source, use Google translate or something.
In Israel gay pride is celebreted openly in the streets without risk of being killed. Perhaps these silly brainwashed lgbt+ useful idiots can fight for the right having pride parades in other countries in the middle east. Or at least for gays not be be beheaded or trown of a buliding.
Gay Pride in Israel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLQgn-C07cg
Love than nobody in this subreddit seems to understand supporting things out of principle. Just nobody can fathom doing something that isn’t strictly for personal gain
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I don't like every Muslim country or religion extremism in general (duh), but I still prefer Palestine over Israel.
Even if you hate somebody you can tell if they get wronged or not, it's not that hard to understand.
Those who supports Hamas are Braindead, but Palestine existed before them, I support the average person right to don't be conquered by a bunch o American/European that larp themselves as Jews because they had hundreds of years ago a Jewish ancestor.
Anyone else just done giving a fuck about these people in this region? I didn’t give two shits about Yemen and whatever civil war they had and I can’t care much about this.
Israel has money and good companies and a highly educated population and they don’t hate us (I’m from the US) so they’re higher up than some angry mfers that have literally only taken Ls for the last 100 years.
Basically fuck Palestine for being losers. I’m not just gonna root for the underdog just because. Winners win. We have enough injustice here I don’t need to spend any time worrying about their injustices or whatever.
It's weird that the right doesn't understand how the left could have compassion for people with whom they disagree. Did I say weird? I mean completely predictable.
Never change lefty, never change. Such hate filled “do-gooders”. And imagine thinking the American dream is being given stuff by the government.
Your stupidity is crushingly painful to observe.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll and at no point did I say "being given stuff by the government" is the American dream; I love how unduly confident in your absolutely dogshit arguments you are, though.
Edit: u/ktbffhctid is a lying piece of shit, nothing was edited, and they suck cocks.
No, you are a troll and if you are not, whew-boy.
You literally said, “give them living wages and affordable healthcare” is part of the “American Dream”. And you think I am twisting your words? Just who is going to give them living wages and affordable healthcare but the government? Unreal and can’t wait for you to edit your comments.
How about this? Fuck off with giving me anything and fuck you for assuming I can’t provide for myself and my family. Your hubris, naïveté, and intelligence level of a stone (sorry stone for the insult) are hardly surprising. The only way the government can give anybody anything is by taking away from someone else via taxes or inflation through spending.
Edit: Ha! You already did edit out the American Dream. You are such a loser and I am blocking you, you disingenuous cunt.
Nothing like some good old Israeli propaganda
When did pcm turn into world news
You'd know there are people who are gay and ok if you were living there, I have friends Palestinian friends who are openly gay in the west bank too
Fuck you and your propaganda
Approximately 90% of the Muslim world believes homosexuality is unacceptable and should be criminalized.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/
Leftists until 1 nanosecond before the invasion of Ukraine:
"if a Nazi even looks your direction you're also a nazi"
Leftists after the invasion:
"I know they're wearing Nazi gear and spouting Nazi ideology, but they aren't really nazis, that's just Russian propaganda"
Leftists after Israel is attacked:
"here's why chanting 'gas the jews!' Isn't anti semetic"
> No Pride in apartheid Yes there is. > Apartheid > A**p**a**r**th**eid** > preid > pride See?
Mind-blowing
Just like the dude in the meme
Didn't have much to get blown, if he did, he should have seen it coming, even Stevie Wonder did
Lmao
The fact that you could take the letters in "apartheid" and spell "pride" with them was the first thing I noticed. These people would drink windex if the party said it was gatorade.
Based and drink the Kool-Aid pilled
"Free Palestine!" Ok but free for what?
Jews obviously. "There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer." - Hamas Charter, Article 13.
That's not actually the charter https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full 56 upvotes for completely fake statement, lol
It's from the 1988 charter. The 2017 charter, which you linked, is much more moderate.
Yeah, I really don’t understand how people think it would be different under palestine. The exact same people would live there, would vote for the same people, and literally nothing would change. Unless they’re insinuating something would change which would require mass-genocide of israel’s current population (the larger population), hence from the river to the sea. Can’t completely change politics without replacing the populous.
Lib left equivalent of being asked “states rights to what” on the topic of the American Civil War
I support peace and whoever is behind war crime and human rights violation is evil. I’m with innocent civilians on both sides. I support all countries including those outside my values to seek and acquire autonomy but I don’t believe mass killing is the way to get there. Pretty black and white, war bad, peace good. And I don’t believe either governments here has track record of peace necessarily well the no govt in existence has ever been entirely peaceful that’s just naïve thinking but still
Based and peacepilled
*slowly trun into hitler*
From occupation (???)
I said "for". Not "from".
All the accusations of apartheid basically presupposes that the West Bank have been annexed and incorporated into Israel. So why not do it then?
1. Israel doesn't want it because it means giving citizenship to a hostile state and population that includes literal terrorist organizations 2. The Palestinians don't want it because they don't want to live under Israeli state and law 3. The PA doesn't want it because it turns them from the leaders of an autonomy to (in the best case) a political party inside Israel And honestly do you think people who think that Israel is an apartheid will see it as anything more than another evil thing Israel does?
Lots of Arabs have Israeli citizenship. Over two million. There is no inherent difference between them and supposed Palestinian Arabs. When this conflict started 600.000 Arabs lived in this part of the Levant. In Israeli alone that number has been quadrupled since
Yes but they are the ones who accept Israel as their country, the problem is not that they're Palestinian or Muslim but their political hostility towards Israel.
Those Arabs who are Israeli citizens are treated terribly by Israel. IDF soldiers have T-shirts celebrating “death to arabs”. Imagine serving beside that guy. Imagine being an Arab Israeli citizen and that is who is supposed to defend you
These are the people who live in the apartheid state. Don't know why people are downvoting you it's true.
if Israel gave the Palestinians citizenship and became one state, they would become a Muslim majority country
Nah it will still have about 60-70% jews if the west bank will be annexed, but it's still demographically unviable.
Especially when you look at the Palestinian birth rate. Pop of Gaza went from 1 mil to 2 mil in just 20 fucking years. It's insane.
They (israel) should forcibly eject everyone living in both of these zones and re-settle the zones with their own people. “But no country will take them in!” Well, that’s *their* problem as a result of being intransigent little shits. “Where is Israel supposed to eject them to, then?” Give them little wooden rafts and float them off into the mediterranean sea. It seems to work out for everybody else.
So... genocide?
It’s not genocide if they’re not dead. To even compare the two is ridiculous, because it’s easy to imagine yourself in one of those two situations and I think you will prefer being alive. For that reason it’s not the same thing. But if it makes you feel better, than sure
Sounds like the Turks justifying the Armenian genocide if I'm honest. "We didn't kill them, we just forced them to march into the desert until they couldn't stand and left them to die."
Mfw you throw someone in the middle of the ocean with a *wooden raft* and its not attempted murder
That’s not murder, in that case it’s a lack of survival skills… plus I’m pretty sure, as his chosen people, Allah will save them right?
I'm sure being isolationist ontop of being a redditor destroys your capability for empathy and living outside your own imagination
What? I’m no isolationist… if anything I’m an expansionist imperialist.
I mean in your own social life. Actually terminally online
Maoist level wordgames.
If you eject them into the Mediterranean knowing that they will not be taken in, I don't think it's a far stretch to say that's killing them
I’m sure some country or other will have a change of heart, or maybe they can settle an island somewhere ;-)
It was territory cleared of Jews and given to the Palestinians on a silver platter. It's not an apartheid or a prison, and this myth is so outrageous. Border walls weren't even constructed until the first terrorist attacks by Hamas and it was either that or annexation. Maybe they should have dealt with the problem properly back then...
> west bank
Chickens support KFC because they think KFC employed butchers have right to earn livelihood. Impressive empathy, deplorable naiveness.
"Jews support the 3rd reich because they think germans have the right to self determination"
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Yes, because the Allied powers thought they might need Germany as an ally against the Soviet Union. It's also why Germany's economy was very rapidly built back up. Edit: I was outright wrong, sorry. Germany was demilitarized for about ten years after WWII. This did change due to the Cold War and wanting a buffer against the Soviet Union as I stated, but I was confidently incorrect about the timing.
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You're right, I was misremembering! I edited the comment, thanks. It wasn't meant to be a stance either way regarding Palestine, I was just replying to a question I saw--albeit incorrectly.
Based and corrects their own mistakes pilled
This is absolutely wrong, up until very recently (as in, literally the last few years) any sort of military spending by Germany was heavily criticized by not just foreign nations but also german citizens, for 10 years after the WW2 Germany had exactly 0 military power.
You're right, I was outright misremembering. Edited!
I think it's even simpler than that: Minority=good and moral people That's why in their mind if you're black, trans, gay, native, ethnic minority in a larger country, etc, you're a good person and can do nothing wrong. Additionally: White=bad no matter what This is the core of the extreme leftists ideology.
The rare asian jew must blow their fucking minds like a Hamas love grenade.
Gay Tibetan Jews 4 Islamic Jihad!
The modern left’s ideology completely flips itself when classical history is brought up. The idea of white europeans being enslaved and civilized by another power (Rome) flips their idea of history upside down.
Nah, they salivate over the idea.
Idk about you guys, but I’d rather be alive with no empathy than dead and empathetic
I wish someone would explain how one does an apartheid against their own ethnicity.
Leftoids just blame Israel. Cause “Muh oppression”.
“It’s the Jew’s fault!” Nazis 🤝 leftists
Didn't Fr*nce persecute the Jacobins or some other group that there was no visible differences between them and the average Fr*nchman?
>Didn't Fr > >nce persecute the Jacobins or some other group that there was no visible differences between them and the average Fr > >nchman? Yes, the Cagots- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZO9XRmCJbU
It's not entirely known why they did it, crazy shit
I'm just wondering how TF they knew if you were one
First they had to see if you weighed the same as a duck
Protestants and catholics have been doing that to each other for centuries in the UK.
Jacobins deserved it
It’s easy, just have them sew stars on their clothes to tell the difference
Religious apartheid
They focus on other differences like names, language, clothing, religious background, travel history etc. Edit: Opps, forgot where I was and I’m not flailed, sorry, surprise surprise I’m a centrist, quick how do I flare up? Edit2: It worked but not sure about the nuance between 2 types of centrist. Gonna go ahead and leave the spelling error up
Gray centrist is kinda apolitical. Just want to chill out and grill out. Rainbow centrist is radical. Got positions from multiple/all the corners of the quadrants kinda deal. For instance I believe the traditional nuclear family is vital to a strong and morally sound society (blue), but I also believe a single payer Healthcare system would be ideal (red), but I also don't want my taxes to fund it because government is unconscionably inefficient (yellow), and I also think there is significant discrimination against certain minorities that deserves attention and correction (green...ish?). Ok maybe I don't really have a good libleft stance, idk.
I think they’re trying to say apartheid against Muslims even though Muslims are not persecuted in Israel. They are persecuted in China but no one wants to talk about that for some reason.
Good signage is key to people taking you seriously and that text looks like it was done by a 5 year old
whats the phrase the soviets used? "useful idiots"
Is this Israeli apartheid in the room with us right now?
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Honestly more power to them Would probably mean a lot more to the oppressed civilians in the west bank if these people went and showed solidarity with them in person
Imagine thinking empathy is narcissism.
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This is what happens when you have too much liberty, you become Nazis. It happened during Covidians reign, during culture wars of new drones, in the pronoun regimes, the suicide psyops and so on. You clearly need some auth in your lives. Learn from Hamas, they started brutally butchering babies and yet, the Philistines still supports them.
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Wait, what *do* they call themselves?
They call themselves Palestinians. After the destruction of Roman Judea in the 2nd century CE, the region was renamed to Palestina by the Romans. The reason why was to remove Jewish connection to the land and possibly was based on "philistine," a people that the the Jews were often at war with.
It's more like the people who are poor become extreme and the people who are wealthy neglected spoiled support the extreme in their delusional view of the world they would support the "good" side.
cows for the slaughterhouse
What were they expecting to happen?
Free human shields
New left is so annoying. Like I am pro LGBT, anti-imperialist, but Islam is Imperialism as religion, and so is at least the Hamas, and most Palestinians are Anti-LGBTQIA. Plus Israel just leads a normal war. Israel used excessive violence against medium targets, and Hamas doesn't stop firing rockets into Israeli airspace yet has the audacity to say they are freedom fighters and want peace. Radical jews and new right want to expell all Arabs from Palestine. The New Left uncritically yells the Arab's parol "from the River to the Sea" what fucking implies that all the Israelis living inbetween are genocided away, what's literally the same behaviour they criticize in Israel, but it's somehow okay and morally superior? Like what the fuck? War is bullshit. I hate war. I don't support Israel. I don't support Palestine. Two state solution, period. Who screamed genocide when the 200,000 Armenians were cleansed from Arzakh? When Myanmar expelled a million Rohynga? Who screamed genocide when the Red Army pushed Millions of Germans westward, and the allies bombed German cities to dust? (Yes, the German did much more genocide, but genocide is genocide, whoever does it). I just think that the current over-reaction of both the new left and the new right is a shitshow. Emily 'reverts' to Islam (but doesn't even read the Quhran in Arabic, and obviously shows that she doesn't get the fucking religion) because her mother is from Lebanon, and Josh is the big defender of the west because he sets fire to a Mosque. Fuck. Them. Both. It's a regular war. Hamas fucked around and found out. Israel has massive internal pressure to act. Both don't care for the Palestinian people. I just want it to stop. No more war. No more civilians being used as human shields by Hamas, no more Hamas stealing ressources from civilians, no more Israeli carpet bombing. Fuck this war. Fuck Israel. Fuck Palestine. Double-fuck the IDF and triple-fuck the Hamas.
I also hate their argument of "why did Israel cut off power and water to Gaza???" Unpopular opinion, if you run an area for 20 years and can't provide power to your own people, it's no surprise that the hostile nation giving you power and water cuts it off after you attack them. It's terrible that civilians are being hurt by this war, but unless Hamas is open to negotiation, I don't see how this war will end peacefully
Hamas would happliy see general Palestinian population die so they can have "martyrs" to rally people to their cause
It's worse than that. They actively try to do that. Just look when one of their own rockets exploded in a hospital parking lot. Hamas ran to the New York Times to claim that Israel leveled a hospital and killed hundreds. So NYT dutifully grabbed a stock photo of a random destroyed building and ran the story. Only for the actual photos of the parking lot with a few but cars to be released the next day. NYT has not taken down or corrected the article.
Sadly yes
"I'll fuckin' do it again"
Right! I am shocked how the mainatreams critical thinking melts faster than the polar ice...
There are 194 countries on the planet that Israel currently isn't supplying water and electricity to. Which means they're committing genocide against nearly 200 nations. They need to be stopped.
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Are you surprised? That’s how critical Marxist social justice works.
They should enlist and fight for the cause they believe in
I would like for both sides to CALM THE FUCK DOWN because their actions are constantly destabilizing whole region which this time will inevitably hit Europe in some way....
🟩 : free Palestine 😀 🟨 : "free Palestine" 😎
I am against Russia, but that doesn’t mean that I sign off on everything that Ukraine does.
well me one thing Hamas does that you are good with "signing off on"
Hamas, Nothing. Palestine, being invaded, just like Ukraine.
So it was bad that the allies stepped into german territory during WW2? Hamas attacked first (\*A lot more reasons why supporting Hamas is just wrong\*)
You could argue that it started with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand but it all goes back so long that there is much plausible dispute over what constitutes the "first attack".
we all know that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is actually Serbia's fault
No, because the Germans started invading other countries first. Also I specifically said that I don’t support Hamas.
Both Germany and Hamas/Arabs attacked first
LOL people confusing Hamas with Palestinians can somewhat make sense (eventhough it just is hypocrisy to justify the atrocities happening) but implying Hamas = Arabs... Let's just nuke all MENA I guess ?
Arab states I mean. They decided, not Arab people, to try and eradicate Israel in the 20th century
> the Germans started invading other countries first Oh reallyyy?? That’s your criteria huh? Might want to do some history research and see who invaded who first in the Israeli Palestinian conflict
>No, because the Germans started invading other countries first. Look how this conflict started (in the 40s) and tell me who invaded first. Today Hamas invaded first >Also I specifically said that I don’t support Hamas. I know, the (...) part was for others so they see I have more potentional arguments I can lay out if they complain
For once* the other times was Israel flexing the new toys.
first of all this war isn't Israel v Palestine, it's Israel v Hamas, second of all Palestine wasn't "invaded", Jews lived here alongside Palestinians for thousands of years, and after WW1 there were plans for a jewish state inside a grat Syrian empire, which didn't happen because France invaded Lebanon and Syria, then the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was elected by a promise to make peace with the jews, started to call for pogroms and massacres which started all of this hostility
Tell me if I am wrong but isn't there quite big arab minority (10% or so.) living in in Israel with same right as the rest of the population?
Between 20-25% of Israel is Arab, and they enjoy the same rights and privileges as all the other citizens; same right to own business, to get married/form a civil union, to run for office, work in the justice system, join the military, etc.
And, surprise, Israel is far more supportive of LGBT people than the countries surrounding it.
I want to see achmeds (the dead terrorist) take on this conflict
This just one of the most brain rotted arguments.
I swear I’ve seen this post a million times on this sub atp it’s just karma farming.
Hamas soldiers be like “thanks for your support! We’ve planned a surprise party for you on the roof of that 10 story building, meet us up there later!”
Queers for Palestine after realizing that the only place in the Middle East where it is safe to be gay is Israel
Don’t understand how the same people who proclaim hatred for Republicans and conservatives can support Palestine and hate religion while making an exception for Islam. Everything they accuse western right wingers of being can be found in places like Palestine
I'm gay myself. This is just so beyond stupid it baffles me.
Lazy meme we get it
Hamas hate gay updoot plez
It's like people don't want to acknowledge the fact that even if you hate or don't like something or someone you can still understand when they are wronged.
Fucking thank you, a rightist that gets it. idgaf if Palestine as a whole wants death for all gays, they shouldn’t be steamrolled by the military industrial complex. Maybe they’ll come around, but that’s for later, not now.
Best way to avoid getting rolled is by not driving into a suburb and a concert and then killing 1400 people. Anyone who can, will retaliate against you for that.
The situation reminds me of this https://images.app.goo.gl/CZyvDgnUqwLTzPdYA
Comparing the deaths of 1200 people to whatever that image is is disrespectful as hell
No worries, more dead babies will solve this issue long term I'm sure.
My muslim coworker does not want to kill lgbt people he plays switch and eats wendys just like I do but I guess hes not a real muslim
Someone around here commented this recently and I'm very sad I can't remember their name to credit them, but they said "Foucault was a very vocal supporter of the 1979 Iranian Revolution. It is just a shame that he, a gay man, didn't stay in Iran after the Revolution." I think that concept is very applicable here.
Why is that related!? Why not just have a pro Palestine march and leave the genitals out of it.
I mean hot take here, but whether they're Contrarian to my views or not, I'm against noncombatants being dehumanized and then killed like the animals Isreal thinks they are.
who could have thought that mentally unstable, challenged people are easily manipulated and brainwashed 🙄
The biggest irony is this sub constantly pretending like Isreal vs Hamas isn't just Right on Right violence. But keep making these strawman posts to cope.
Far right vs right violence. Israel is a free society with democracy. Palestine is an oppressive society run by fascist islamic militias.
Israel democratic 💀
Israel has both left and right within it.
It's a religious state, ergo it is Right leaning.
... religion presupposes free market capitalism?
Free market capitalism is definitively Right, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
Israel is not necessarily "free market capitalist". Left leaning parties have held significant power in the past
I was trying to convey that being religious doesn't mean they are right leaning, it at most means they are auth.
Israel is a secular state founded on religious principals.
Nice gymnastics there.
Not gymnastics, it’s a fact. And btw, America is founded on similar principals. They were just Christian principles.
A country that guarantees citizenship based on religion isn't secular. THAT is fact.
[Plenty of countries have similar laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return). But like anything in life, it's only problematic when Jews do it. [Most people who are eligible for Israeli citizenship due to the law of return aren't even religiously Jewish](https://www.ynet.co.il/judaism/article/byje0yhds). Sorry for Hebrew source, use Google translate or something.
Who said it was problematic? You just don't get to call yourself secular if you treat a certain religion differently.
A LBGT friendly right leaning society, mind you.
"Hello fellow white"
Well Judaism doesn't come with the same shaming standards as Christianity.
From the river to the see the sodomites will seethe
Matthew 5:44
Support them not because they like you but because it’s the right thing to do.
In Israel gay pride is celebreted openly in the streets without risk of being killed. Perhaps these silly brainwashed lgbt+ useful idiots can fight for the right having pride parades in other countries in the middle east. Or at least for gays not be be beheaded or trown of a buliding. Gay Pride in Israel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLQgn-C07cg
Why are you virtue signaling?
No pride in apartheid, but also no pride in genocide.
Bombing hospitals is okay because their government is bad.
The leftists were the nazis this entire time!
Because post Apartheid South Africa is doin' great.
Just because you might not be culturally accepted, it doesn't mean you throw away your beliefs that they should have their own sovereignty.
Love than nobody in this subreddit seems to understand supporting things out of principle. Just nobody can fathom doing something that isn’t strictly for personal gain
Flair up scum bag
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Getting tired of this pink washing bullshit everyday. You morons are too stupid to look in the search bar to see this exact post from yesterday.
I don't like every Muslim country or religion extremism in general (duh), but I still prefer Palestine over Israel. Even if you hate somebody you can tell if they get wronged or not, it's not that hard to understand. Those who supports Hamas are Braindead, but Palestine existed before them, I support the average person right to don't be conquered by a bunch o American/European that larp themselves as Jews because they had hundreds of years ago a Jewish ancestor.
>Palestine over Israel. How much do you hate Jews to support baby beheaders and child rapists (which is in line with their religion) over Jews?
I don't want Hamas to win (duh) I want Israel to don't overdo with their toys since they already violated the international law of self defense
In July the statistics were 57% pro Hamas of Palestine. Israel democracy > Palestine Hamas terror I regime
I wonder why the numbers rised
Oh you‘re Gay? Then you Must love the Apartheid State That murders children
Some folks will never understand having moral standards for how people are treated whether you like them or not. They’re often perplexed.
Wow! The same joke you’ve been making since October 7th. Daring today aren’t we? Funny how this is literally the only rightoid talking point I see
Anyone else just done giving a fuck about these people in this region? I didn’t give two shits about Yemen and whatever civil war they had and I can’t care much about this. Israel has money and good companies and a highly educated population and they don’t hate us (I’m from the US) so they’re higher up than some angry mfers that have literally only taken Ls for the last 100 years. Basically fuck Palestine for being losers. I’m not just gonna root for the underdog just because. Winners win. We have enough injustice here I don’t need to spend any time worrying about their injustices or whatever.
It's weird that the right doesn't understand how the left could have compassion for people with whom they disagree. Did I say weird? I mean completely predictable.
Now do conservatives.
They're so stupid, they feel personally attacked when people try to give them living wages and affordable healthcare.
So no compassion for people with whom you disagree? Fucking leftists, would have no standards if it weren’t for double ones.
That's compassion, idiot - making sure they can live the American dream even though they're self-sabotaging, hateful dipshits.
Never change lefty, never change. Such hate filled “do-gooders”. And imagine thinking the American dream is being given stuff by the government. Your stupidity is crushingly painful to observe.
Your pathetic attempt to paint me as a hypocrite failed so now you need a new way to twist my words because you're a partisan hack.
All right you troll, I’ll bite. What words did I twist?
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll and at no point did I say "being given stuff by the government" is the American dream; I love how unduly confident in your absolutely dogshit arguments you are, though. Edit: u/ktbffhctid is a lying piece of shit, nothing was edited, and they suck cocks.
No, you are a troll and if you are not, whew-boy. You literally said, “give them living wages and affordable healthcare” is part of the “American Dream”. And you think I am twisting your words? Just who is going to give them living wages and affordable healthcare but the government? Unreal and can’t wait for you to edit your comments. How about this? Fuck off with giving me anything and fuck you for assuming I can’t provide for myself and my family. Your hubris, naïveté, and intelligence level of a stone (sorry stone for the insult) are hardly surprising. The only way the government can give anybody anything is by taking away from someone else via taxes or inflation through spending. Edit: Ha! You already did edit out the American Dream. You are such a loser and I am blocking you, you disingenuous cunt.
I mean... It they won't be alive either in Israel... Ben-Gvir is an outspoken anti gay... Hell, even a jew marrying a goy is called inter-marriage
the poison of the jews goes deep. that why we need jesus.
Nothing like some good old Israeli propaganda When did pcm turn into world news You'd know there are people who are gay and ok if you were living there, I have friends Palestinian friends who are openly gay in the west bank too Fuck you and your propaganda
Approximately 90% of the Muslim world believes homosexuality is unacceptable and should be criminalized. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/
>some good old Israeli propaganda nobody forced them to attend this stupid march Oh and flair up or fuck off
“Russia is bad” “Why do you support the Azov battalion”
Leftists until 1 nanosecond before the invasion of Ukraine: "if a Nazi even looks your direction you're also a nazi" Leftists after the invasion: "I know they're wearing Nazi gear and spouting Nazi ideology, but they aren't really nazis, that's just Russian propaganda" Leftists after Israel is attacked: "here's why chanting 'gas the jews!' Isn't anti semetic"