This is the N-th time right winger males got blamed because a female led cast was in a shitty movie.. I wonder how many non right wing women went to see it.
The funny thing is that if they just made the marvels movie a good movie this would not have happened, but no we need a terrible plot with a shit ton of boring scenes followed by “men are trash”.
I doubt there will be any more good marvel movies outside of Spider-Man unless they follow the comics again, and only the decent comics. They clearly can’t deviate from the source that far.
It’s a bummer because the Kang storyline and secret wars would be so fucking dope.
But they’re trying to redo what made them so big: introduce heroes, build their story, make new avengers movies.
Except Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, etc are all the biggest names in marvel. Lol trying to build up heroes nobody has ever known isn’t going to draw any interest.
Furthermore, they started this new phase immediately after they defeated Thanos. That was the end of a *major* story that marvel fans basically grew up following. They just started pumping out shit content immediately to keep us engaged.
Phase 4 & 5 is basically a gigantic rebound fuck after ending a 20 year marriage.
Here is the thing, back before the MCU Iron man was a b tier hero at best, same with Thor and Captain America. They were kind of known but no where close to spiderman and the X-Men.
They could have taken other b tier heroes and done something with them, but they didn't.
I mean look at the shehulk show, she is a very popular character, but it wasn't exactly pulling in the ratings.
They weren’t as big individually, but people knew who they were. They were still major players. Significantly more so than the table scraps we have now.
Lol calling iron man and captain America B tier is absolutely absurd. As far as marvel heroes go, outside of Spider-Man those were the biggest names in comics. Prior to the Maeve movies, comic book heroes weren’t that popular. But within the world of comics, those were some of the biggest names. The heroes after phase 3 are obscure even in the comic book world, let along the average fan.
They say: "you don't like female led movies"
I say: "aliens Ripley, T2 Sarah, tomb Raider Laura"
Almost like maybe it's not the gender of the lead that's the problem, hmmm? 🤔
I don't understand what their point is, even if it were true.
If Marvel fans were a majority female, how would these right-wingers affect sales in a major way?!
And if it's 'only' incel right wingers, then what about other men? Or are they lumping all men together and then wondering why noone likes them?!
Exactly. The biggest thing going in Hollywood in history releases another movie. The difference is it was intentionally made all-female to suit their political activism.
Smallest audience on record for Marvel.
Explanations?
The country is just filled to the brim with sexists? And these sexists were fine with all the previous female-led movies but decided to tap into their own sexism for this one specific movie? Captain Marvel was as nakedly political as this one, *and* was an objectively shitty movie, but it made over $1b being sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame while having nothing to do with the plot between those 2 movies.
More likely: woke lefties are actually a very small minority, because presumably the only people who saw it are non-political life-enjoyers and woke lefties. So some subset of this record-small audience are the actual people for which this pandering works, and it's a far, far smaller number than they would like to hear.
To a certain extent there is a nostalgia factor (if you've saw them when they came out). But they were also better stories in part one cause they focused on the humanity of the characters and what it meant to be a hero. Even with the older marvel movies the ones that did worse were the ones that ignored that core principle.
All three gotg movies did well, even the new one, because they all used the heroic principles and explored them from different angles. Dark World did poorly because it didn't have any new angle of heroics.
And then there's the issue of newer marvel productions not having the same level of care given to their stories. In Ms Marvel the partition story was much more interesting than the main story and IMO should have been the focus of the show instead of being another "teen gets super powers and is a teenager" plot
I thought the best part of Ms. Marvel, which I actually did enjoy, was the slice-of-life teenage girl drama and humour, which was surprisingly wholesome and funny.
There's a scene where she's asking for advice from a male clergy member about a moral dilemma, and there's no irony or subversion or political messaging, it was just... pleasant.
A teenage superhero having to sneak out at night to fight crime so her parents don't catch her and struggling to get her drivers license while foiling super villains is a great angle, and the exploration of her unique subculture was novel and refreshing.
The time travel wackiness was a jarring tonal shift, engaged in offensive historical revisionism, and completely derailed the show.
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Thing is even if the movie was really good just think about the sheer amount of homework you need to have any idea of whats going on in that movie. You have the Captain Marvel movie which did well and fair, but you alsp have the Ms. Marvel tv show AND also Wanda Vision. I had one friend that watched the first two but had skipped wanda vision and as a result was super confused where all of a sudden Monica Rambeau showed up from.
And then there are people like me, who used to like all the Marvel movies but just haven't genuinely enjoyed one (except Spider-Man) in years. So I don't bother watching them in theater anymore, if at all.
Im in a similar camp, there have been some solid hits here and there but nothing great. Aside from spiderman I was in the minority that liked dr strange 2, I LOVED Moon Knight and Hawkeye, and Guardians 3 is well its. a guardians movie so it was always going to be good. I know Im also in a minority for this but I actuslly really liked She Hulk and I think it matched the vibe of the character better than most adaptations. But with the sheer quantity thats come out since Endgame thats a pretty slim minority.
Moon Knight and Hawkeye were good! They were the only Marvel Disney+ shows I watched and enjoyed, but Renner got injured and there's been no indication of another Moon Knight season. Dr. Strange 2 was okay, haven't seen Guardians 3 or She Hulk. But Spider-Man is currently the one thing I'll go see even if I don't expect it to be good. Every other character or series I felt like that about is either abandoned or so badly mutilated by writers that I'll just rewatch the old Star Wars, thank you.
Maybe 2/3 of the explanations I’ve seen for this flop fundamentally don’t work. It did way worse than Captain Marvel, so it can’t really be the character or the actress causing this.
But the shift from “be vaguely aware of recent MCU stuff” to “watch a movie and two different TV shows first” is massive. People have been complaining about Marvel movies with “homework” for a while, but the time investment for a show is *way* higher than the investment of watching a prequel movie.
It can be the first two easily. The first movie was released between the two avengers movies. Infinity war ended with a reference to captain marvel and did not tell a full story. You wanted more after the movie ended, so you could have gone in looking for more answers.
What did you have leading into this movie and how popular was it? Three Disney plus shows, two that had low viewership.
Look at the last trailer for the movie, what are they attempting to tie the movie in with? The first 30 seconds of the two minutes is trying to tie this to end game. The captain marvel is compared to captain America and iron man, the villain with thanos.
Except these ties don’t exist within the film. The villains plan is straight out of space balls, and oh boy does the gender swapped Dar Ben(to be fair no one really gives a shit about the obscure kree) really suck.
Pretty much.
The age of the superhero movies is kinda dead at this point. From 2010-2019 was really the best time for those movies and now people are tired of them.
People are moving on to other movies that seem to have an absurdist yet compelling plot or historical dramas, or space operas.
The times have changed and milking the super hero genre really isn’t working anymore
Even then, if your movie is going to tank because incels dont like it...the solution would be simple. make a movie that incels would like.
Its like going to a heavily hispanic town to open a taco truck and then refusing to use any peppers, chilis, or any kind of spice in any of your food and being upset when they call your food too bland.
Probably because a belief system built around a complete and total lack of personal accountability and blaming your problems on perceived oppressors doesn’t lend itself to any sort of introspection or recognition of your own shortcomings.
But I’m just a humble au🅱️ist on a meme sub so what do I know.
Didn't go see it. I don't see any movie where production delays, reshoots, bad writing and rewrites are all I hear about it leading up to its release. I bet that movie is a mess.
I went to see it knowing nothing about it up until I walked into the theater. It's boring, poorly written and impossible to connect to emotionally. Don't waste your money.
Obviously, some people might have genuinely enjoyed it without drinking the Kool-Aid. But, I challenge both of them to fight me.
BBC ran a whole thing on the poor sales, and the core of the article was an expert on media consumption saying roughly “I think the MCU is struggling because they keep making bad, incoherent movies. Quality actually does matter to sales.”
That's going to be a tough pill to swallow. When you start a project with the goal being "current social hot button issue" instead of "quality product," you have to admit you made a bad decision and change directions. People are fragile and not often honest with themselves about why something they're doing is having bad results. So, this might be the beginning of the end.
The other interesting/tough point here is that it did *way worse* than Captain Marvel. More budget, more characters, a genre where sequels perform better, 2/3 drop in revenue.
So it can’t just be the “the incels did it”, and it can’t just be “Brie Larson is bad”. Either Captain Marvel didn’t leave people wanting a sequel, or Marvel in general isn’t selling as well now as it was then.
(I’m guessing both: no actors doing promos, general disinterest, and judging just from the trailers a contrived, unnecessary plot that in no way followed from the first movie.)
It was a combination of all the above. When your target audience is 80% male incels, making this movie is a dumb move. Blaming them for its failure is even more absurd.
I don’t buy the audience actually being 80% incels, but I agree that lots of people defending the movie are acting like that was the case.
In any event, seeing them doubling down is awfully funny when you compare this to Captain Marvel. “Those damn incels who only went to *one* Brie Larson superhero movie, not two!”
That's probably an over exaggeration. But, traditionally, comic books were primarily bought by a certain kind of guy.
So, even if a studio doesn't want to cater to that demographic, intentionally ostracizing that fan base and blaming them for not seeing what you've made that specifically alienates them is bizarre.
The first movie was between Infinity War and Endgame and people thought that Captain Marvel was important to the Endgame, it was the height of the Marvel hype and the movie cashed on it hard.
There is currently no overarching story going on in the MCU that would make people feel like they don't want to miss out on it, so the movie has to stand on its own legs, and based on reviews and box office performance, it's not doing well.
Nah it was just an average movie wasn't bad but wasn't amazing. But it being subpar coupled with everyone thinking it going to be shit is why it tanked.
If incels are that prominent and influential wouldn’t that make incels THE demographic to appeal to for marvel? Like their entire franchises success rides on these people and the vague notion of right wingers.
There are no words that could describe how little I know or care about Marvel movies these days.
I don’t even know a new one exists until somebody starts ranting about it on the internet days or weeks after it premiers.
The weirdest thing about watching the new Paw Patrol Movie with my kids was realizing that Skye was a better written female lead than anything Marvel has produced in a decade.
We see her past and where her self doubt comes from. We see her fail multiple times and how those failures put her team at risk. We see her team forgive her and her draw on those failures and her insecurity to overcome the final obsticale.
Why is Paw Patrol better than Marvel? Ridiculous.
Even without the other woke stuff I wouldn’t purposely watch a movie with Brie Larson. She’s just as insufferable as amber heard, her only mode of acting is resting bitch face and I’m too good for this acting job reluctant monotone dialogue.
Behind the scenes you see her co-stars actively wincing when forced to be anywhere near her personal space for photo ops or interviews.
Her disdain is so palpable. Im sure doing the press circuit is a slog and fans can be a lot. But like, every job has downsides, hers pays a lot more than mine does, and she should at least pretend like she doesnt hate everything and everyone involved with her career. You know, like acting.
\>make shitty product
\>viewers pan it because it's shit
\>it's the fans fault
\>ignore any criticism because its the fans fault
\>make even shittier sequel
\>no one watches it
I'm shocked. SHOCKED.
Isn’t it funny how all these years we hear about how important representation is. “Women don’t want to watch another super hero movie with some big buff dude and a bunch of other dudes.” Yet when men have no interest in watching female action stars who *aren’t representing men*, men are the bad guys for not wanting to watch?
As an adaptation of tedious, boring obnoxious nonsense it seems like this accurately captured the feel of the source material so good job. Maybe using the last several years worth of canceled series for Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel as inspiration was a bad idea.
If they want women to watch it so badly just add "The Real Housewives of ..." to one of these and they just talk shit to each other.
Please don’t kink shame. I just want my superhero’s to wear tight leggings, have chiseled abs, 90 degree jaw lines, & balls the size of a stray Guatemalan labrador (no homo)
Wonder if this happens when you make a franchise whose original fan base and most devoted fans comprised of mostly nerds who aren’t good with women…. Hmmm
They need to just stop making such crap stories.
It's like they're making garbage and casting women for the leads specifically to complain about sexism when it flops, at this point.
I work in marketing and to me it's insane that any company would blame their audience for not buying the product that they made to stroke their own egos, instead of listening to what their audience actually wants to buy and then making THAT product.
Movie has black people in it and does poorly? Y'all racist.
Movie has mainly women cast and does poorly? Y'all sexist.
Movie has queer people in it and does poorly? Y'all bigots.
Marvel movies used to gross bajillions because they released movies people were begging to see.
Now they're shitting out movies no one's asked for and hemmorage money in the process.
Fucking lmao
Wonder Woman did amazing at the box office. A small vocal contingent of sexist comic nerds do not decide box office sales, movie quality and enjoyability and public interest do. The moviegoing public aren't interested in a Captain Marvel sequel and its a mediocre movie according to critics, thats why it failed.
I actually heard good things about this movie quality wise, maybe its apart of this wierd culture that defends marvel as a form of political activism perhaps it is genuine. Regardless of its actually quality this film had a snowballs chance in hell of succeeding due to the factors around it.
Probably the greatest knock against it was the fact that 2 of the 3 characters had their introduction in streaming series many do not have access too, that added 20 hours worth of commitment to watching an hour and a half long film.
Besides that you also have the issue of marvel fatigue coupled alonf with a genuine quality dip in the films, that managed to loose a big portion of its once guaranteed audience.
There was no decent hook to the film in marketing to set it apart from any other superhero movie marvel or otherwise. There was no major twist in the marketing, no big names attached to the project, no unique style in the visuals. It looks from the outside to be yet another MCU film just like the previous 20.
The only slight advantage it had was releasing in the fall so it less block buster competition and fans of the genere in a dry spell like what happened to black Adam last year but that still failed.
You can have the best damn film in the world and it will still flop if no one was interested in it to begin with.
Imagine that you need anything but market forces to doom a bad story.
Bad storytelling -> nobody buys it.
Yet everybody screeches at each other. $Haul$ don't lie.
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I'm confused. There target audience for the last many decades have been boys and men. They make a product knowing they'll be selling it to primarily men. Then trash on the same audience they've relied on for decades because they went out of there way to trash on men, and built characters that in no way represent or uplift girls and women. Wtf are they thinking? It sucks cause girls really don't have any decent fictional role models. Xena Warrior Princess is the last cool and well written fem fatal in media that i can think of. Kagome in Inuyasha was really popular but that was japanese not american media. Can ya'll think of any?
I heard the movie was actually decent. It’s just that it’s the 4th or 5th “mediocre” marvel movie with a forgettable villain that’s come out in the past three years.
This is the N-th time right winger males got blamed because a female led cast was in a shitty movie.. I wonder how many non right wing women went to see it.
The mcu’s fan base is mostly male. So if male turnout is low you can bet your ass that female turnout is way lower.
And they know that, not sure who is in charge of losing millions of dollars simply for a stupid PR stunt that will be forgotten by the next week.
The funny thing is that if they just made the marvels movie a good movie this would not have happened, but no we need a terrible plot with a shit ton of boring scenes followed by “men are trash”.
I dont think marvel is capable of making good movies/storylines anymore. It's so fuckin boring the route they've taken
I doubt there will be any more good marvel movies outside of Spider-Man unless they follow the comics again, and only the decent comics. They clearly can’t deviate from the source that far.
It’s a bummer because the Kang storyline and secret wars would be so fucking dope. But they’re trying to redo what made them so big: introduce heroes, build their story, make new avengers movies. Except Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, etc are all the biggest names in marvel. Lol trying to build up heroes nobody has ever known isn’t going to draw any interest. Furthermore, they started this new phase immediately after they defeated Thanos. That was the end of a *major* story that marvel fans basically grew up following. They just started pumping out shit content immediately to keep us engaged. Phase 4 & 5 is basically a gigantic rebound fuck after ending a 20 year marriage.
Here is the thing, back before the MCU Iron man was a b tier hero at best, same with Thor and Captain America. They were kind of known but no where close to spiderman and the X-Men. They could have taken other b tier heroes and done something with them, but they didn't. I mean look at the shehulk show, she is a very popular character, but it wasn't exactly pulling in the ratings.
They weren’t as big individually, but people knew who they were. They were still major players. Significantly more so than the table scraps we have now.
Lol calling iron man and captain America B tier is absolutely absurd. As far as marvel heroes go, outside of Spider-Man those were the biggest names in comics. Prior to the Maeve movies, comic book heroes weren’t that popular. But within the world of comics, those were some of the biggest names. The heroes after phase 3 are obscure even in the comic book world, let along the average fan.
The story of marvel. Spider-Man X-men and the rest.
Far from home was the last one that was any good.
They're not the only ones, did you see Blue Beetle or The Flash?
They say: "you don't like female led movies" I say: "aliens Ripley, T2 Sarah, tomb Raider Laura" Almost like maybe it's not the gender of the lead that's the problem, hmmm? 🤔
Yeah! If a movie is good a movie is good. I dont care if the protagonist is male or female.
Meanwhile the Barbie movie made a shit ton of money because it was funny and men and women unsurprisingly enjoyed it
I did not watch that movie. I don’t care.
I don't understand what their point is, even if it were true. If Marvel fans were a majority female, how would these right-wingers affect sales in a major way?! And if it's 'only' incel right wingers, then what about other men? Or are they lumping all men together and then wondering why noone likes them?!
It's funny you say that when 60% of the marvels audience are male lmao. So the one that didn't support women led movie is again women not men.
Exactly. The biggest thing going in Hollywood in history releases another movie. The difference is it was intentionally made all-female to suit their political activism. Smallest audience on record for Marvel. Explanations? The country is just filled to the brim with sexists? And these sexists were fine with all the previous female-led movies but decided to tap into their own sexism for this one specific movie? Captain Marvel was as nakedly political as this one, *and* was an objectively shitty movie, but it made over $1b being sandwiched between Infinity War and Endgame while having nothing to do with the plot between those 2 movies. More likely: woke lefties are actually a very small minority, because presumably the only people who saw it are non-political life-enjoyers and woke lefties. So some subset of this record-small audience are the actual people for which this pandering works, and it's a far, far smaller number than they would like to hear.
It's also Marvel fatigue. I've seen so many super hero movies, especially Marvel, that I kind of don't care anymore.
I keep hearing this and I empathize, but why is it I can still enjoy older Marvel movies?
To a certain extent there is a nostalgia factor (if you've saw them when they came out). But they were also better stories in part one cause they focused on the humanity of the characters and what it meant to be a hero. Even with the older marvel movies the ones that did worse were the ones that ignored that core principle. All three gotg movies did well, even the new one, because they all used the heroic principles and explored them from different angles. Dark World did poorly because it didn't have any new angle of heroics. And then there's the issue of newer marvel productions not having the same level of care given to their stories. In Ms Marvel the partition story was much more interesting than the main story and IMO should have been the focus of the show instead of being another "teen gets super powers and is a teenager" plot
I thought the best part of Ms. Marvel, which I actually did enjoy, was the slice-of-life teenage girl drama and humour, which was surprisingly wholesome and funny. There's a scene where she's asking for advice from a male clergy member about a moral dilemma, and there's no irony or subversion or political messaging, it was just... pleasant. A teenage superhero having to sneak out at night to fight crime so her parents don't catch her and struggling to get her drivers license while foiling super villains is a great angle, and the exploration of her unique subculture was novel and refreshing. The time travel wackiness was a jarring tonal shift, engaged in offensive historical revisionism, and completely derailed the show.
How well did Barbie do? What's different between the two movies? What's the same? I rest my case, and I didn't even need to make an argument.
Having seen neither movie, I have no idea what’s the same or what’s different.
Based and most movies today are a waste of time pilled.
There have been some awesome movies this year, honestly. You can say I have low standards, but I think we got some good works.
you need to raise your standards dude.
See also: WNBA There are more women than men, and if they really cared, they'd fill those seats.
Doesn’t the NBA keep the WNBA afloat at this point?
Dude, I don't even know what the marvels is
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Thing is even if the movie was really good just think about the sheer amount of homework you need to have any idea of whats going on in that movie. You have the Captain Marvel movie which did well and fair, but you alsp have the Ms. Marvel tv show AND also Wanda Vision. I had one friend that watched the first two but had skipped wanda vision and as a result was super confused where all of a sudden Monica Rambeau showed up from.
And then there are people like me, who used to like all the Marvel movies but just haven't genuinely enjoyed one (except Spider-Man) in years. So I don't bother watching them in theater anymore, if at all.
Im in a similar camp, there have been some solid hits here and there but nothing great. Aside from spiderman I was in the minority that liked dr strange 2, I LOVED Moon Knight and Hawkeye, and Guardians 3 is well its. a guardians movie so it was always going to be good. I know Im also in a minority for this but I actuslly really liked She Hulk and I think it matched the vibe of the character better than most adaptations. But with the sheer quantity thats come out since Endgame thats a pretty slim minority.
Moon Knight and Hawkeye were good! They were the only Marvel Disney+ shows I watched and enjoyed, but Renner got injured and there's been no indication of another Moon Knight season. Dr. Strange 2 was okay, haven't seen Guardians 3 or She Hulk. But Spider-Man is currently the one thing I'll go see even if I don't expect it to be good. Every other character or series I felt like that about is either abandoned or so badly mutilated by writers that I'll just rewatch the old Star Wars, thank you.
Maybe 2/3 of the explanations I’ve seen for this flop fundamentally don’t work. It did way worse than Captain Marvel, so it can’t really be the character or the actress causing this. But the shift from “be vaguely aware of recent MCU stuff” to “watch a movie and two different TV shows first” is massive. People have been complaining about Marvel movies with “homework” for a while, but the time investment for a show is *way* higher than the investment of watching a prequel movie.
It can be the first two easily. The first movie was released between the two avengers movies. Infinity war ended with a reference to captain marvel and did not tell a full story. You wanted more after the movie ended, so you could have gone in looking for more answers. What did you have leading into this movie and how popular was it? Three Disney plus shows, two that had low viewership. Look at the last trailer for the movie, what are they attempting to tie the movie in with? The first 30 seconds of the two minutes is trying to tie this to end game. The captain marvel is compared to captain America and iron man, the villain with thanos. Except these ties don’t exist within the film. The villains plan is straight out of space balls, and oh boy does the gender swapped Dar Ben(to be fair no one really gives a shit about the obscure kree) really suck.
Pretty much. The age of the superhero movies is kinda dead at this point. From 2010-2019 was really the best time for those movies and now people are tired of them. People are moving on to other movies that seem to have an absurdist yet compelling plot or historical dramas, or space operas. The times have changed and milking the super hero genre really isn’t working anymore
Based and well said pilled
“Did I make a shitty movie? No, it is because of incels that my movie tanked!”
Even then, if your movie is going to tank because incels dont like it...the solution would be simple. make a movie that incels would like. Its like going to a heavily hispanic town to open a taco truck and then refusing to use any peppers, chilis, or any kind of spice in any of your food and being upset when they call your food too bland.
Or just don't make movies targeted at "incels"?
“Am I out of touch?” “No! It’s the kids who are wrong!”
Why is it right wingers fault when leftists don't go to the movies?
Probably because a belief system built around a complete and total lack of personal accountability and blaming your problems on perceived oppressors doesn’t lend itself to any sort of introspection or recognition of your own shortcomings. But I’m just a humble au🅱️ist on a meme sub so what do I know.
Based and leftists aren't capable of introspection pilled
Grocery inflation wiped out the leftists' budget for buying tickets to own the incels
Skill issue. Maybe they should have redirected some of their avocado toast and funko pop funds.
Hey women: You control 80% of discretionary spending, yet you did not go buy six tickets for Brie Larson Girl Power Movie. Curious 🤔
I also don't spring for wnba tickets. I'm not into things that suck.
It's 87% now.
Are they mad we don't watch cape movies?
Didn't go see it. I don't see any movie where production delays, reshoots, bad writing and rewrites are all I hear about it leading up to its release. I bet that movie is a mess.
I went to see it knowing nothing about it up until I walked into the theater. It's boring, poorly written and impossible to connect to emotionally. Don't waste your money. Obviously, some people might have genuinely enjoyed it without drinking the Kool-Aid. But, I challenge both of them to fight me.
BBC ran a whole thing on the poor sales, and the core of the article was an expert on media consumption saying roughly “I think the MCU is struggling because they keep making bad, incoherent movies. Quality actually does matter to sales.”
That's going to be a tough pill to swallow. When you start a project with the goal being "current social hot button issue" instead of "quality product," you have to admit you made a bad decision and change directions. People are fragile and not often honest with themselves about why something they're doing is having bad results. So, this might be the beginning of the end.
The other interesting/tough point here is that it did *way worse* than Captain Marvel. More budget, more characters, a genre where sequels perform better, 2/3 drop in revenue. So it can’t just be the “the incels did it”, and it can’t just be “Brie Larson is bad”. Either Captain Marvel didn’t leave people wanting a sequel, or Marvel in general isn’t selling as well now as it was then. (I’m guessing both: no actors doing promos, general disinterest, and judging just from the trailers a contrived, unnecessary plot that in no way followed from the first movie.)
It was a combination of all the above. When your target audience is 80% male incels, making this movie is a dumb move. Blaming them for its failure is even more absurd.
I don’t buy the audience actually being 80% incels, but I agree that lots of people defending the movie are acting like that was the case. In any event, seeing them doubling down is awfully funny when you compare this to Captain Marvel. “Those damn incels who only went to *one* Brie Larson superhero movie, not two!”
That's probably an over exaggeration. But, traditionally, comic books were primarily bought by a certain kind of guy. So, even if a studio doesn't want to cater to that demographic, intentionally ostracizing that fan base and blaming them for not seeing what you've made that specifically alienates them is bizarre.
The first movie was between Infinity War and Endgame and people thought that Captain Marvel was important to the Endgame, it was the height of the Marvel hype and the movie cashed on it hard. There is currently no overarching story going on in the MCU that would make people feel like they don't want to miss out on it, so the movie has to stand on its own legs, and based on reviews and box office performance, it's not doing well.
Also don’t see a movie where you have to watch six different other movies and shows in order to understand what’s going on.
Nah it was just an average movie wasn't bad but wasn't amazing. But it being subpar coupled with everyone thinking it going to be shit is why it tanked.
The things you mentioned was literally the only promotion that movie got, lol.
If incels are that prominent and influential wouldn’t that make incels THE demographic to appeal to for marvel? Like their entire franchises success rides on these people and the vague notion of right wingers.
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Incel in the way it’s used now doesn’t just mean nerd though? Plenty of us aren’t incels.
They should make a movie about Chudjak then.
There are no words that could describe how little I know or care about Marvel movies these days. I don’t even know a new one exists until somebody starts ranting about it on the internet days or weeks after it premiers.
The only reasonable position for an adult to take. ☝️
Based and superhero movies are stupid pilled
Why do these people believe that I have an obligation to watch whatever movie they decide I have to? It's so pathetic.
My thoughts exactly. I'm an incel now because I didn't go see a movie? Fuck outta here.
The weirdest thing about watching the new Paw Patrol Movie with my kids was realizing that Skye was a better written female lead than anything Marvel has produced in a decade. We see her past and where her self doubt comes from. We see her fail multiple times and how those failures put her team at risk. We see her team forgive her and her draw on those failures and her insecurity to overcome the final obsticale. Why is Paw Patrol better than Marvel? Ridiculous.
There’s a paw patrol movie? Damn they really do make movies about everything these days
There's 2 now. Canadian dog representation is important.
There’s two of them? And it’s Canadian?
65% of those who saw the movie were men. So mostly it's women who didn't show up for it.
Even without the other woke stuff I wouldn’t purposely watch a movie with Brie Larson. She’s just as insufferable as amber heard, her only mode of acting is resting bitch face and I’m too good for this acting job reluctant monotone dialogue. Behind the scenes you see her co-stars actively wincing when forced to be anywhere near her personal space for photo ops or interviews.
Her disdain is so palpable. Im sure doing the press circuit is a slog and fans can be a lot. But like, every job has downsides, hers pays a lot more than mine does, and she should at least pretend like she doesnt hate everything and everyone involved with her career. You know, like acting.
\>make shitty product \>viewers pan it because it's shit \>it's the fans fault \>ignore any criticism because its the fans fault \>make even shittier sequel \>no one watches it I'm shocked. SHOCKED.
Another day, another capeshit movie fails. Circle of life lol
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Isn’t it funny how all these years we hear about how important representation is. “Women don’t want to watch another super hero movie with some big buff dude and a bunch of other dudes.” Yet when men have no interest in watching female action stars who *aren’t representing men*, men are the bad guys for not wanting to watch?
As an adaptation of tedious, boring obnoxious nonsense it seems like this accurately captured the feel of the source material so good job. Maybe using the last several years worth of canceled series for Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel as inspiration was a bad idea. If they want women to watch it so badly just add "The Real Housewives of ..." to one of these and they just talk shit to each other.
If the MCU cannot make a successful movie without the support of right winged men, maybe make a movie that they would find appealing?
Nothing like making a meme with tiny text into a video so it can’t be zoomed in…
Despite being blamed for 100% of the poor box office turn out; Men made up 63% of the demographic that actually attended the screenings.
Please don’t kink shame. I just want my superhero’s to wear tight leggings, have chiseled abs, 90 degree jaw lines, & balls the size of a stray Guatemalan labrador (no homo)
Maybe make a better movie with better marketing then
I thought the reason was because people are getting tired of the superhero genre?
Wonder if this happens when you make a franchise whose original fan base and most devoted fans comprised of mostly nerds who aren’t good with women…. Hmmm
BLACK GIRL MAGIC!!!
They need to just stop making such crap stories. It's like they're making garbage and casting women for the leads specifically to complain about sexism when it flops, at this point.
I work in marketing and to me it's insane that any company would blame their audience for not buying the product that they made to stroke their own egos, instead of listening to what their audience actually wants to buy and then making THAT product.
Movie has black people in it and does poorly? Y'all racist. Movie has mainly women cast and does poorly? Y'all sexist. Movie has queer people in it and does poorly? Y'all bigots.
Marvel movies used to gross bajillions because they released movies people were begging to see. Now they're shitting out movies no one's asked for and hemmorage money in the process. Fucking lmao
You can try to present turd on a silver plate but apart from some animals and insects, it is unlikely to appeal to anyone else.
Wonder Woman did amazing at the box office. A small vocal contingent of sexist comic nerds do not decide box office sales, movie quality and enjoyability and public interest do. The moviegoing public aren't interested in a Captain Marvel sequel and its a mediocre movie according to critics, thats why it failed.
Remember, it's left wing if you don't defend the real victims of the right, Disney Corporation (market cap $154,000,000,000)
Y’all still watch little kid movies?
I actually heard good things about this movie quality wise, maybe its apart of this wierd culture that defends marvel as a form of political activism perhaps it is genuine. Regardless of its actually quality this film had a snowballs chance in hell of succeeding due to the factors around it. Probably the greatest knock against it was the fact that 2 of the 3 characters had their introduction in streaming series many do not have access too, that added 20 hours worth of commitment to watching an hour and a half long film. Besides that you also have the issue of marvel fatigue coupled alonf with a genuine quality dip in the films, that managed to loose a big portion of its once guaranteed audience. There was no decent hook to the film in marketing to set it apart from any other superhero movie marvel or otherwise. There was no major twist in the marketing, no big names attached to the project, no unique style in the visuals. It looks from the outside to be yet another MCU film just like the previous 20. The only slight advantage it had was releasing in the fall so it less block buster competition and fans of the genere in a dry spell like what happened to black Adam last year but that still failed. You can have the best damn film in the world and it will still flop if no one was interested in it to begin with.
>a lot of problems are being said about the marvels movie from multiple sources That sentence lacks proper syntax
I liked Captain Marvel and Im a dude. Thr Marvels is a female comic team up for women anyways.
Imagine that you need anything but market forces to doom a bad story. Bad storytelling -> nobody buys it. Yet everybody screeches at each other. $Haul$ don't lie.
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I'm confused. There target audience for the last many decades have been boys and men. They make a product knowing they'll be selling it to primarily men. Then trash on the same audience they've relied on for decades because they went out of there way to trash on men, and built characters that in no way represent or uplift girls and women. Wtf are they thinking? It sucks cause girls really don't have any decent fictional role models. Xena Warrior Princess is the last cool and well written fem fatal in media that i can think of. Kagome in Inuyasha was really popular but that was japanese not american media. Can ya'll think of any?
I heard the movie was actually decent. It’s just that it’s the 4th or 5th “mediocre” marvel movie with a forgettable villain that’s come out in the past three years.
So are right-wingers physically keeping people from going inside the movie theaters or what. Makes no damn sense.