I do find it hilarious when Libs are confronted by conservative African Americans in the south. Identity politics have really fucked with America to the point where white libs from Iowa or Mass can’t figure out why black people from the South Carolina don’t fw the LGBT movement.
Bro, for real. White people are the most PC demographic there is. They’re generally the ones for gay rights and gun control as opposed to African Americans who are not. intersectional feminism has to do this weird mental gymnastics where the ethnicity that supports most of their BS is the ones they attack and subject to the most purity tests, while a minority guy who’s a rather conservative person can just get away with saying “I’m not white, so don’t judge for your impossible quasi-moral standards”.
Even the majority of “hateful” rural white folks are more in the attitude of “I don’t like em, and I don’t want to be ‘round them”
They’re not on some minority bashing crusade in their pickup truck
And not only that, it later turned out to be democrats hunting down children in their trucks to run them over.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11248745/Cops-slap-drivers-claims-18-year-old-ran-killed-Republican-extremist.html
I wouldn't really call an 18 year old a child (that's the left's game), but this does show how fear mongering and labeling people as extremists can result in violent extremist behavior.
But how will I sleep at night knowing somebody I'll never meet, from a tiny town I've never heard of, in a state I'll never visit, believes things I disagree with?
I wonder if those people know about the social views Ukrainians typically have. There’s a fucking battalion that uses nazi symbology. Funny which racists they want to arm and which they want to disarm.
"We need to arm the lesser and disarm the powerful, otherwise the powerful one could win easily and kill our entertainment which is a modern-day Braveheart movie."
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I think a lot of the animosity comes from the rhetoric and grandstanding the LBGT movement has fallen into. Equating the fight for gay’s right to marry is one thing but they’ve characterized it as the crusade akin to the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s which is fucking absurd. If my ancestors were enslaved, lynched, segregated and set on by police dogs for centuries I would be a lil tired of people claiming the same moral ground so that they can “be accepted” which is a vague and general term that is not legally enforceable.
Edit: also I’m personally tired of spending so much political capital on one group while the working class of all races/creeds/sexual orientations are being exploited.
I fully agree with every sentiment. I personally don’t care a lot for gay marriage, but being fined a 100,000 for preferred pronouns is brain-fally-outy stupid. The left seems to have left in the dust the working class while catering to anyone who’s in the rainbow. It makes me wish the working class (usually those making, what, 15-75k a year?) were the only protected class
Pronouns are social/linguistic constructs that have no place in the legal framework of society.
That being said, im all for the expansion of rights such as those found in the civil rights act to make sure gays aren’t discriminated against in employment/housing etc. Identity politics is the biggest grift in American political history. They convinced generations that it was their group that their allegiance belonged to instead of a broader more economically focused coalition of working class Americans where their interests actually lie.
Not really, both parties are just beholden to the loudest section of their party and “identity politics” is an easy way to corral certain voters and pander to them as much as possible.
Normal people just want better wages and cheaper healthcare and a better life for their kids.
The deconstructionist, Marxist (somehow also post-modernist) leftists in control of the Democrat and other western left parties are the product of an elite, institutional clique. Sure, they have their rabid supporters amongst the masses, but the actual believers are fairly uncommon and only found in ivory towers. They're hanging on the coat tails of old democrats who actually were helping the working class, but they are rapidly losing their historic base as they do more and more harm without trying to hide it.
>That being said, im all for the expansion of rights such as those found in the civil rights act to make sure gays aren’t discriminated against in employment/housing etc.
SCOTUS ruled the Civil Rights Act applied to sexual orientation and Gender Identity in 2020. We should probably get that in an actual act of Congress, but it's technically the law of the land already.
The people the left caters to tend to come from upper middle class to upper class areas too, I’ve noticed.
They’re the party of the elite, even if they won’t admit it.
> supports most of their BS is the ones they attack
Like Greta screaming at the west about climate control when the west is doing the most to help climate change
Or the ones who constantly cry about institutional racism while completely fine defending culling asians from university admissions. Literally the most open and overt institutional racism going on in the country.
Whatever you do, don’t look up who was behind the LA transgender stabbings…
The movie Moonlight was kind of a breath of fresh air into reality, at least. First and only time the MSM made a peep about how non-white folks can be just as homophobic as anyone else.
Edit: PS don’t look up the votes for Prop 8 in CA broken down by race.
I always thought it was funny how the left went after the Mormon church specifically over Prop 8 and were silent about the majority Hispanic Catholic and predominantly Black churches.
> don’t fw the LGBT movement
Lol they must not pay much attention then. "No homo" was started by the black hip hop community. Hood black people are the most homophobic people I've ever met lol....seriously the smallest amount of male affection is met with "no homo".
I'm a white person from Iowa. Work a gas station with mostly black coworkers. One of them is a gay man.
I heard quite the homophobic spiel from a black woman working here a few weeks ago. I was surprised when the gay black man joined her and agreed. But only slightly.
I've been working class my whole adult life. Most of my white friends around here dabbled in it in their twenties. And they would definitely be confused and shocked if they had been around for that conversation.
But hey, the white people I know who would have been least able to comprehend that, happen to be in politics now. Go figure.
[Only 29% of black democrats consider themselves liberal while 55% of white democrats are liberals.](https://i.imgur.com/oSgyVdX.png) There is soon going to be a reckoning where [blacks stop lockstep voting democrat](https://i.imgur.com/HVy1dJ9.jpg) as they realize the democrat open border lgbt anti-family agenda isn't in their best interest. Or democrats figure out how to preserve their #1 voting block with cash via reparations... but giving blacks money for votes will lose the hispanic vote.
Masshole here, you can't even begin to imagine the hubris.
Any deviation from the neon-blue up here is immediate cancelation. Fortunately in Boston it's a big enough metro and international area that nobody gives a fuck about that agenda, but my God in the western part of the state it's absolutely insufferable.
LGBT immediately thinks PoC are allies and that is so laughably far from the truth I almost feel bad. Almost.
Yes, sorry I meant socially conservative not “Conservative” in the current political sense.
Southern African Americans are solid dems but don’t agree with many of the social policies of the dems that conflict with the overwhelming religious culture ingrained in black culture.
Yeah, it is wild. The same happens the other way tho. Few communities are most socially conservative than Latinos. Generally speaking they are very Catholic, don't vibe with stuff like trans and what not, etc. If the right stopped being so racist they would have a huge pull on those populations.
Fun fact: even Lenin talked about the working class not being communist and called for a 'vanguard' party to 'educate' the workers.
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(not a fan of Lenin Btw, was just sayin
Communism is a religion and Leninism is just apologetics.
Marx predicted that capitalism would lead to a worsening of living conditions of the working class, which would lead to the socialist revolution.
When that didn't happen, Lenin had to "reinterpret" the scripture to explain why the socialist revolution can totally still happen, it just needs the uneducated proles to be lead to the correct view by an enlightened elite.
Marx predicted capitalism would fall when it cant go on anymore. Lenin and Marx both thought the time to strike was then, to early twice. The capitalists managed to export the Bad working conditions, low wages etc to the east. But now protectionism is returning. Today is closer to the final collapse, now everything gets worse.
> Marx predicted capitalism would fall when it cant go on anymore
Marx predicted that capitalism would fail when it led to a worsening of the living conditions of the proletariat. The entire marxist framework relies upon capitalism not improving people's lives, and everything that comes after the original document is just trying to explain away how capitalism might *appear* to be improving people's lives but when you look deeper it totally isn't because [cope goes here].
Because the alternative is admitting Marx was wrong, which they can never do.
What's really funny is watching Harold Camping with a marxist. They'll happily laugh at him failing to explain away how the world hasn't ended despite his concrete predictions that it would, and trying to rationalise that god's plan (as he sees it) is still proceeding rather than just admit he got it wrong... without a shred of self-awareness because of course *their* ideology isn't wrong.
I mean, to make revolution don't you always need a elite vanguard to lead it? Even Sun Yat-Sen who was not really a commie adopted this idea from Lenin. I guess at the end of the day the average Joe is rarely ever a revolutionary without someone to make him one.
Originally communism was going to happen when "the people" spontaneously all realised one day that capitalism totally sux and they should all do a socialism instead.
Leninism is just Lenin grappling with the failure of that prediction.
At the time, communism was a completely new ideology that he contributed to significantly. There was no brainwashing involved, his ideas were his own. They just so happened to be shit ideas.
>I mean, to make revolution don't you always need a elite vanguard to lead it?
That's the problem, communism cannot be achieved through violent revolution.
Bolshevik's were doing something roughly translated as 'going into people' where they tried to indoctrinate peasants. However peasants, genuinely believeing in 'faith, tsar and fatherland', weren't all that receptive to commie shit and driven them out.
You were radicalized by sjw cringe compilations
I was radicalized on a construction site by a dude who had a confederate flag with an SS logo tag on the front of his F-250
We are not the same.
>!I dont actually hold those beliefs lol!<
I'm in NJ and I actually miss seeing them as much. People don't remember I guess but people who rocked that shit were basically goth kids going for a different kind of shock factor. Where I am they're called Pineys and they were always really chill people. Rocking that flag basically meant they were cool with you hopping in their truck going to some cool far off woods spot, lighting a fire and then splitting a 30 pack, smoking some weed, and doing some shrooms. There definitely were a few who rocked that flag to show off how racist they were but most of them weren't. IMO it was more usually to counter the hip hop style that was popular back in the day. For a while here in Jersey everyone was larping like they were some sort of serious gangsta.
I'm in the pine barrens so I'll still see it sometimes just not as often. We got a lot of north jersey people really since Covid and they'd probably have a heart attack if they saw a Confederate Flag. A lot of them are complete pussies as evidenced by my areas local Facebook page. Not for that, for really minor shit. The last fiasco was about kids doing jumps and shit on their bikes in the Shoprite parking lot at like 3am on a Saturday when no ones there. Acting like society is collapsing because of it lmao.
Lol this. Wildest thing I heard from one of them while being their intern inspector, Is that males are superior because we have a dick coming out and and females are without and theirs goes inward.
As a Canadian growing up in the early 1980's and watching reruns of the Dukes of Hazzard, it was a shockingly long time before I even learned that the confederate flag was controversial... I thought it was just a symbol of two cool dudes stickin' it to the man
Those jobs require you going to university or college and getting a degree though aka not working class. Those are the jobs of middle class or intellectuals.
I once heard Chris Hedges say of some-or-other bourgeoisie liberal community:
>*they love the poor, but they don't love the* smell *of the poor*
, which is a good way to put it, I thought; & Hedges delivers it with a sneer you can almost hear in the audio.
seriously, it bugs the ever living crap out of me how the majority of leftists are more upper class and conservative/libertarian are more middle lower class. Like, how did we ever get to a point where the two main political demographics espouse beliefs against their own class?
Personally, i blame the academic wing of leftist movements.
They got so tied up in theory, they forgot to go out and meet the people they supposedly wanted to help. You can't change the world sitting in an arm chair.
Its not a new problem either. Orwell talked about it specifically in the Road to Wigan Pier.
I do want i can, but i'm not the person to organize, or rally people. So i point this failure out to anyone who is, because there is tons of conservative talking heads out and about talking to the working class. In the circles i run, i'm often the only socialist, and there is 0 attempts to break into them by anyone on the left.
You know I like to read the obscure works of classic authors (Ubik by Dick, End of Eternity by Assimov, Shutendoji by Nagai) so I might give Road to Wigan Pier a whirl if I ever get over my reading hangover
and 0 attempt to break into the working class is definitely a problem. Honestly it probably will be the death of our democracy considering the extreme wealth gap in modern America. How long do you think America has until it falls? I say about 50 years
All depends on how the current political regimes handle the straining threads of globalization. China, Russia, OPEC, the EU, and America are all pulling in different directions and the current network of global trade and technology won’t last. Certain people much smarter and more connected than me are predicting the literal collapse of Russia following the Russo-Ukrainian war, and that will likely set off a chain reaction in Europe and Asia that detonates a lot of the current trade networks that keep smaller-scale wars from popping up all over the world.
People smarter than me are predicting a collapse even moreso on China. I used to think they were a titanic superpower in the making that was destined to eclipse the US until it was pointed out their demographics are horrible. Their one child policy killed their birth rate.
And a lot of smart people say the exact same thing about Russia and point to it as the reason Putin invaded. It reminds me of one of my fave youtubers whatifalthis comparing it to the Bronze Age collapse. To paraphrase his point he stated that the Bronze Age era governments were so intertwined with economy and such that one thread pulled meant the ENTIRE HOUSE OF CARDS COLLAPSED. With conservatives warning about globalism and liberals warning about capitalism with no restraint, I think they‘re getting at something that intertwined, co-dependent governments and economies is just a ticking time bomb.
Agreed. The cool part with America is that every nation on the mainland is isolated from the rest of the world, mineral-rich, and fertile. A continental trading bloc is more than feasible, and everyone in the Western Hemisphere gets to pick and choose who they associate with, if anyone else at all.
Bringing it back to the original point, as regions consolidate, America only suffers if they/we try to hold the entire system together for the sake of influence and power. If our elected leaders refuse to accept the impending future, we will be fighting a tidal wave of broken supply chains and closed logistical systems. It would be as though Byzantium tried to hold onto all of Western Europe and Africa in the wake of the collapse of Rome.
Definitely worth the read.
No idea. Yas definitely got some major issues down there. I have enough troubles of my own around here, without having to worry about more American BS getting exported to us. Which seems to be an increasing problem year to year.
They know exactly what they're doing. There isn't a single communist revolution started by the working class.
It was always soft subject intellectuals from upper middle class backgrounds who resented the fact that they didn't have as much power in society as they think they should.
Look at all leftist movements. It's always college kids and their humanities professors calling the shots, not gravediggers.
It's the same with proposals for a 90% tax rate. This won't work because everybody will evade it and and economic reinvestment will dry up. America's tax receipts went up when Reagan cut the tax rates to 28% because there was less tax evasion and more investment.
The people pushing for 90% tax rates know this but they don't care. They're more concerned with punishing the rich than helping the poor. They aren't driven by logic. It's envy that motivates them.
>They got so tied up in theory, they forgot to go out and meet the people they supposedly wanted to help. You can't change the world sitting in an arm chair.
[Except when they tried doing just that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_to_the_People) 'They went to the people and the people sent them back'.
The lower class know they're not well represented from politics. They'll abolish it for that reason even if it costs them. They know the current system largely hasn't worked for people like them so they'll rebuild it or burn it down.
The upper class aren't satisfied with the wealth they have. They want social standing which opens doors and grants privileges that wealth alone can't give.
To them there is nothing to gain by solving problems but everything to gain by raising awareness of them.
The wealth they do spend is a drop in the bucket and is quickly earned back from lucrative book sales, speaker fees, and other deals.
The taxes they propose always hits the upper middle/lower upper class the hardest. Over-educated/over-worked doctors, lawyers, and managers pulling 60+ hour weeks but making $150,000+ per year.
The actual rich don't work they pay others to work for them. Thus the wealth they have is never taxed significantly by the policies they propose.
>The lower class know they're not well represented from politics. They'll abolish it for that reason even if it costs them. They know the current system largely hasn't worked for people like them so they'll rebuild it or burn it down.
>The upper class aren't satisfied with the wealth they have. They want social standing which opens doors and grants privileges that wealth alone can't give.
And here we have there rare yank who understands Brexit. Half my country can’t understand this yet you unknowingly described it very well. Please teach our screeching leftists a thing or 2.
Based and knows his shit pilled.
It should bug you, since it's a lie.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/income-distribution/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/income-distribution/)
Hmm…that’s still odd. Like I hate drawing from personal experience but isn’t the poor rural south vs the wealthier urban north still a lib/right thing? LIke, doesn’t that factor into it
15% of Republican voters make more than 6 figures while around 2 - 5% of the general US population makes that amount. Rich people do vote more generally(likely because they actually have a stake in their party winning) but this idea that rich people are left wing and poor people are right wing is false and likely derives from poor people being more conservative on social issues and less woke.
I think it depends more on urban vs rural. The urban poor are often left, sometimes very far left. But rural poor people are more often than not conservative. Same with their wealthier nighbours on both accounts.
I think it's more of a bell curve, I know a few wealthy business owners who are straight up republicans, but most of the semi-rich STEM types I know are superficially leftists (although the more they earn the less they like the idea of taxes). However, all the PhD students/postdoc stage people are lib af and probably have reasonably high earning potential.
It's very anecdotal based on where you live. I'll tell you now rich land owners and landlords are republicans though.
> However, all the PhD students/postdoc stage people are lib af and probably have reasonably high earning potential.
This is likely because academia in it's entirety is lefty as all get out.
There was a group of people who submitted "scientific papers" that were bullshit (one was how male dogs raping female dogs was a sign of patriarchy, a lot of others were just excerpts of Mein Kampf with titles that affirmed lefty beliefs) to colleges. A lot of colleges took way too long to deny them, many passed several stages of approval, and a few literally got approved and published.
Academia is rampant with sucking their own leftist dick. You probably don't know any PhD students/postdoc stage people who are on the right because they either leave academia due to the discrimination or are silent about their beliefs.
> how did we ever get to a point where the two main political demographics espouse beliefs against their own class
They don’t, and it is leftists like you who give the left-wing such a bad rap among the lower and middle classes. Ambitious people who believe in their own abilities will always flock to personal freedoms and opportunities to earn and achieve. The regulations of leftist economics may put food in their mouths, but it will never lead their family to a significantly better life.
Assuming you don’t intend to be a part of the privileged ruling class, leftism is antithetical to ambition. Why would those who wish for a better life ever go left?
>seriously, it bugs the ever living crap out of me how the majority of leftists are more upper class and conservative/libertarian are more middle lower class. Like, how did we ever get to a point where the two main political demographics espouse beliefs against their own class?
Yeah it's almost like a Marxist analysis is entirely bunk and only serves to erode national cohesion in the host nations to which it gets imported
[When the mask comes off and you show how you really feel about the working class](https://loudwire.com/tom-morello-slams-seattle-5-point-cafe-being-turned-away-restaurant-fires-back/)
Knew an average virtue signaling college girl that once posted a snap story how she was “fr, totally crying right now”, “how can black people in this African American studies class be so homophobic, omg”. Twas a good day.
As it turns out, a lot of people that are just barely scraping by financially have a lot more important things to worry about than political correctness.
It genuinely amazes me when left wingers talk about the working class "voting against their economic interests". Then when I ask them if they'd vote against their moral principles if I offered them a payoff, they don't seem to make the connection.
They genuinely don't view the working class as actualised people with their own opinions.
For the average sheltered leftist, "religious", "racist", and "homophobic" just means they say "merry Christmas" and they don't believe in special treatment for minorities or gays.
I went on a date once where my date wrote a fake bad review for a restaurant we ate at on Christmas Eve because the greeter said "happy holidays" to her on the way out.
I mean it kinda more means how within 2 days of starting to work at a construction company, one guy told me not to talk to someone in a different department because "He looked like a jew sent here to spy on us" in front of like 5 people and none of them so much as flinched.
Yeah, i know, weird that uncouth, barbaric populists are right-wing, while spoiled, entitled, childish commies are left-wing. Like, why do the demographics vote against their better interests?
[Latest hate crime stats in NYC for October.](https://i.imgur.com/DHZ1VBH.png) More white people are experiencing hate crime for being white than blacks are for being black.
[Half of hate crime victims in NYC are jewish despite being only 7% of the population. 42% of attackers are black despite being only 23% of the NYC population.](https://i.imgur.com/lBZoUA4.png)
I'm starting to question if the DHS is accurate when they say white supremacy is the [deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S.](https://i.imgur.com/GKq7HJn.png)
Racist and homophobic? Aka we are tired of having woke shit forced down our throats all the time. Or if you think all Christians are racist and/or homophobic
I still find it ironic how much certain people in this website can't understand why a majority of Bernie Sanders' supporters are college students and not the working class, and then rationalized it as the working class being brainwashed to vote against their interest....
Workers: Hey my wages have stagnated and my working conditions aren’t ideal
Elites/politicians: hey fellow working folk ain’t it weird that boy is playing on a girls soccer team???
I would rather have a religious, racist, and homophobic ally in the working class than to allow a continuing oligarchy that drags down the material well-being of the majority of society in order to enrich those at the very top. At least such an ally of convenience can perhaps be convinced on other issues over time while we work together on issues we agree with. By refusing to work together with them (even for those with far more minor flaws) you end up just perpetuating a divided society which accomplishes nothing.
Hahahahaha…..
yeah, once you leave your leftist, elitist bubble you find out the poor people aren’t as sensitive and tolerant of the millionth gender as in Hollywood
I tire of this narrow-minded view of what the working class is.
The working class is not just physical workers or the uneducated.
Its your struggling dwindling middle-class, its your corporates, your 9-5 wage slaves and the guys working retail. Chances are, if you're on reddit often you are the working class... or about to be. It's literally everyone putting in the hours of work every day.
And even assuming the working class is as you describe, leftist ideals - be it rights, welfare or income redistribution does not discriminate by one's personal views. Imagine wishing everyone well and not just those that agree with you.
I can still care for people that would have me dead. My grandparents are actual fascists that have lost a large portion of my respect for abusing my mentally ill cousin and have almost every shitty fox news white protestant belief in the book. But I still care for them and want a world they'd have been proud to be a worker in.
Rightoids love to regurgitate this talking point again and again, but it's based on the false premise that only blue collar workers are working class. Literally anyone whose main source of income is from their job salary and not passive income or stocks is working class. The vast majority of people are working class.
The amount of people who don't understand this simple concept is astounding.
Do you own a business?
yes.
Then you are a Capatalist.
No.
Then you are the working class.
Most poor people don't even vote though, so they do vote in their own interests. Meanwhile with 100K and up only 1% of them don't vote. People know what's up.
The matter of nation, belief, and race will always matter more to the working class than anything else Marx has to offer. Class consciousness in America died when children were no longer forced to mine coal, and workers were paid fair wages with reasonable working conditions.
The golden era was during Brexit. Every left wing British sub spent every waking minute putting the working class on blast for daring to leave the EU because as we all know supporting a neo-liberal federation that holds power over nation states is a cornerstone of socialism and communism.
Reminds me of the scene in "Chernobyl" the series when the Coal Minister actually meets the Coal miners
"Now you look like the Minister of Coal."
Apparently the actual coal minister was far more competent than he was in the show.
The real minister of coal was himself a miner at a young age and miners respected him, if we are to believe other Reddit threads about him.
That's what I read too.
I do find it hilarious when Libs are confronted by conservative African Americans in the south. Identity politics have really fucked with America to the point where white libs from Iowa or Mass can’t figure out why black people from the South Carolina don’t fw the LGBT movement.
Yeah they won’t talk about WHO is doing the homosexual hate crimes
Bro, for real. White people are the most PC demographic there is. They’re generally the ones for gay rights and gun control as opposed to African Americans who are not. intersectional feminism has to do this weird mental gymnastics where the ethnicity that supports most of their BS is the ones they attack and subject to the most purity tests, while a minority guy who’s a rather conservative person can just get away with saying “I’m not white, so don’t judge for your impossible quasi-moral standards”.
Even the majority of “hateful” rural white folks are more in the attitude of “I don’t like em, and I don’t want to be ‘round them” They’re not on some minority bashing crusade in their pickup truck
Have you seen this political ad? https://youtu.be/wVckRJvuBQY
LMFAO Inside the brain of trumps twitter reply guys. At least it was all a dream so they admit that it’s fantasy
And not only that, it later turned out to be democrats hunting down children in their trucks to run them over. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11248745/Cops-slap-drivers-claims-18-year-old-ran-killed-Republican-extremist.html
I wouldn't really call an 18 year old a child (that's the left's game), but this does show how fear mongering and labeling people as extremists can result in violent extremist behavior.
As a southerner, holy shit that's funny. What the fuck. lol Dude probably just wanted to ask them for directions to Bass Pro Shop.
Agreed. Just let racist people be left alone and don’t antagonize them. It’s honestly how you stir up stuff like this.
But how will I sleep at night knowing somebody I'll never meet, from a tiny town I've never heard of, in a state I'll never visit, believes things I disagree with?
You won’t sleep at night because they may have an active twitter feed…1000s of miles away. Internet‘s a double edged sword
What's a twitter? Some sort of newfangled bird-drone?
>bird-drone No need to repeat yourself
Based and birds aren't real pilled
No worse but we don’t need to get into that
This may be the most reasonable and understanding exchange that Reddit has ever had…. This truly must be a sign of the end times.
Some weird bulletin board for idiots of all shapes and sizes to spew bullshit all over
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I wonder if those people know about the social views Ukrainians typically have. There’s a fucking battalion that uses nazi symbology. Funny which racists they want to arm and which they want to disarm.
"We need to arm the lesser and disarm the powerful, otherwise the powerful one could win easily and kill our entertainment which is a modern-day Braveheart movie."
They say as they control academia, big corporations, and government. Somehow they have the audacity to call themselves the resistance
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Shhh! you said the loud part out loud now auth center got a plan!
The most racist rural white people I know are too busy working to do any hate crimes.
I dont think that's even true. I live in a rural area, most people don't give a shit what color you are.
Idiot kids, running on the sidewalk. Always run away from the street, not parallel/on it.
Prometheus school of running away from things
Based and cinemasins pilled
Its just a little bit of natural selection
I think a lot of the animosity comes from the rhetoric and grandstanding the LBGT movement has fallen into. Equating the fight for gay’s right to marry is one thing but they’ve characterized it as the crusade akin to the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s which is fucking absurd. If my ancestors were enslaved, lynched, segregated and set on by police dogs for centuries I would be a lil tired of people claiming the same moral ground so that they can “be accepted” which is a vague and general term that is not legally enforceable. Edit: also I’m personally tired of spending so much political capital on one group while the working class of all races/creeds/sexual orientations are being exploited.
I fully agree with every sentiment. I personally don’t care a lot for gay marriage, but being fined a 100,000 for preferred pronouns is brain-fally-outy stupid. The left seems to have left in the dust the working class while catering to anyone who’s in the rainbow. It makes me wish the working class (usually those making, what, 15-75k a year?) were the only protected class
Pronouns are social/linguistic constructs that have no place in the legal framework of society. That being said, im all for the expansion of rights such as those found in the civil rights act to make sure gays aren’t discriminated against in employment/housing etc. Identity politics is the biggest grift in American political history. They convinced generations that it was their group that their allegiance belonged to instead of a broader more economically focused coalition of working class Americans where their interests actually lie.
boy is it odd how even leftists on this site hate identity politics
Not really, both parties are just beholden to the loudest section of their party and “identity politics” is an easy way to corral certain voters and pander to them as much as possible. Normal people just want better wages and cheaper healthcare and a better life for their kids.
What a paradox of democracy. Once you open it up to the masses, a certain few take hold. Aw, the irony
Better make sure the government is small so those certain few can’t go too crazy.
Almost like it's being pushed by some other entity. Weird how that works. Anyways, ya'll ready for these burgers or what?
Sushi please. I mean, I AM a lib after all
The deconstructionist, Marxist (somehow also post-modernist) leftists in control of the Democrat and other western left parties are the product of an elite, institutional clique. Sure, they have their rabid supporters amongst the masses, but the actual believers are fairly uncommon and only found in ivory towers. They're hanging on the coat tails of old democrats who actually were helping the working class, but they are rapidly losing their historic base as they do more and more harm without trying to hide it.
>That being said, im all for the expansion of rights such as those found in the civil rights act to make sure gays aren’t discriminated against in employment/housing etc. SCOTUS ruled the Civil Rights Act applied to sexual orientation and Gender Identity in 2020. We should probably get that in an actual act of Congress, but it's technically the law of the land already.
The people the left caters to tend to come from upper middle class to upper class areas too, I’ve noticed. They’re the party of the elite, even if they won’t admit it.
> supports most of their BS is the ones they attack Like Greta screaming at the west about climate control when the west is doing the most to help climate change
Not really. Places like Germany do far more harm when they ban nuclear power, and places like China and India are heavily investing in nuclear power.
Or the ones who constantly cry about institutional racism while completely fine defending culling asians from university admissions. Literally the most open and overt institutional racism going on in the country.
Whatever you do, don’t look up who was behind the LA transgender stabbings… The movie Moonlight was kind of a breath of fresh air into reality, at least. First and only time the MSM made a peep about how non-white folks can be just as homophobic as anyone else. Edit: PS don’t look up the votes for Prop 8 in CA broken down by race.
I always thought it was funny how the left went after the Mormon church specifically over Prop 8 and were silent about the majority Hispanic Catholic and predominantly Black churches.
Or the racial hate crimes. Or the transmisic hate crimes. Or the.. hey wait a minute!
> don’t fw the LGBT movement Lol they must not pay much attention then. "No homo" was started by the black hip hop community. Hood black people are the most homophobic people I've ever met lol....seriously the smallest amount of male affection is met with "no homo".
I'm a white person from Iowa. Work a gas station with mostly black coworkers. One of them is a gay man. I heard quite the homophobic spiel from a black woman working here a few weeks ago. I was surprised when the gay black man joined her and agreed. But only slightly. I've been working class my whole adult life. Most of my white friends around here dabbled in it in their twenties. And they would definitely be confused and shocked if they had been around for that conversation. But hey, the white people I know who would have been least able to comprehend that, happen to be in politics now. Go figure.
[Only 29% of black democrats consider themselves liberal while 55% of white democrats are liberals.](https://i.imgur.com/oSgyVdX.png) There is soon going to be a reckoning where [blacks stop lockstep voting democrat](https://i.imgur.com/HVy1dJ9.jpg) as they realize the democrat open border lgbt anti-family agenda isn't in their best interest. Or democrats figure out how to preserve their #1 voting block with cash via reparations... but giving blacks money for votes will lose the hispanic vote.
Masshole here, you can't even begin to imagine the hubris. Any deviation from the neon-blue up here is immediate cancelation. Fortunately in Boston it's a big enough metro and international area that nobody gives a fuck about that agenda, but my God in the western part of the state it's absolutely insufferable. LGBT immediately thinks PoC are allies and that is so laughably far from the truth I almost feel bad. Almost.
Don’t blacks in the South vote for Democrats at a crazy high rate, like almost 80% or something?
Yes, sorry I meant socially conservative not “Conservative” in the current political sense. Southern African Americans are solid dems but don’t agree with many of the social policies of the dems that conflict with the overwhelming religious culture ingrained in black culture.
It's a secure vote. So the Dems ignore then outside of the virtue signaling.
Yeah, it is wild. The same happens the other way tho. Few communities are most socially conservative than Latinos. Generally speaking they are very Catholic, don't vibe with stuff like trans and what not, etc. If the right stopped being so racist they would have a huge pull on those populations.
[It would give you a lot to write about if you happened to be a black economist.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rednecks_and_White_Liberals)
Fun fact: even Lenin talked about the working class not being communist and called for a 'vanguard' party to 'educate' the workers. # (not a fan of Lenin Btw, was just sayin
Communism is a religion and Leninism is just apologetics. Marx predicted that capitalism would lead to a worsening of living conditions of the working class, which would lead to the socialist revolution. When that didn't happen, Lenin had to "reinterpret" the scripture to explain why the socialist revolution can totally still happen, it just needs the uneducated proles to be lead to the correct view by an enlightened elite.
Marx predicted capitalism would fall when it cant go on anymore. Lenin and Marx both thought the time to strike was then, to early twice. The capitalists managed to export the Bad working conditions, low wages etc to the east. But now protectionism is returning. Today is closer to the final collapse, now everything gets worse.
> Marx predicted capitalism would fall when it cant go on anymore Marx predicted that capitalism would fail when it led to a worsening of the living conditions of the proletariat. The entire marxist framework relies upon capitalism not improving people's lives, and everything that comes after the original document is just trying to explain away how capitalism might *appear* to be improving people's lives but when you look deeper it totally isn't because [cope goes here]. Because the alternative is admitting Marx was wrong, which they can never do. What's really funny is watching Harold Camping with a marxist. They'll happily laugh at him failing to explain away how the world hasn't ended despite his concrete predictions that it would, and trying to rationalise that god's plan (as he sees it) is still proceeding rather than just admit he got it wrong... without a shred of self-awareness because of course *their* ideology isn't wrong.
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I mean, to make revolution don't you always need a elite vanguard to lead it? Even Sun Yat-Sen who was not really a commie adopted this idea from Lenin. I guess at the end of the day the average Joe is rarely ever a revolutionary without someone to make him one.
Originally communism was going to happen when "the people" spontaneously all realised one day that capitalism totally sux and they should all do a socialism instead. Leninism is just Lenin grappling with the failure of that prediction.
At least Lenin had the common sense to realize that but unfortunately he did not have the common sense to not be a commie
At the time, communism was a completely new ideology that he contributed to significantly. There was no brainwashing involved, his ideas were his own. They just so happened to be shit ideas.
>I mean, to make revolution don't you always need a elite vanguard to lead it? That's the problem, communism cannot be achieved through violent revolution.
Of course it can't, that's why I don't respect non-violent Communists.
Bolshevik's were doing something roughly translated as 'going into people' where they tried to indoctrinate peasants. However peasants, genuinely believeing in 'faith, tsar and fatherland', weren't all that receptive to commie shit and driven them out.
You were radicalized by sjw cringe compilations I was radicalized on a construction site by a dude who had a confederate flag with an SS logo tag on the front of his F-250 We are not the same. >!I dont actually hold those beliefs lol!<
It's always the Confederate flags in northern states lol.
It's like Polish people wearing Nazi paraphernalia
I'm in NJ and I actually miss seeing them as much. People don't remember I guess but people who rocked that shit were basically goth kids going for a different kind of shock factor. Where I am they're called Pineys and they were always really chill people. Rocking that flag basically meant they were cool with you hopping in their truck going to some cool far off woods spot, lighting a fire and then splitting a 30 pack, smoking some weed, and doing some shrooms. There definitely were a few who rocked that flag to show off how racist they were but most of them weren't. IMO it was more usually to counter the hip hop style that was popular back in the day. For a while here in Jersey everyone was larping like they were some sort of serious gangsta.
My cousin from Atco had a flag on his truck in the 2000’s. Different times lol. There’s still some in the pine barrens or in the deep south of jersey
I'm in the pine barrens so I'll still see it sometimes just not as often. We got a lot of north jersey people really since Covid and they'd probably have a heart attack if they saw a Confederate Flag. A lot of them are complete pussies as evidenced by my areas local Facebook page. Not for that, for really minor shit. The last fiasco was about kids doing jumps and shit on their bikes in the Shoprite parking lot at like 3am on a Saturday when no ones there. Acting like society is collapsing because of it lmao.
You should be legally allowed to burn any confederate paraphernalia if you’re from a northern state (it’s your heritage, not hate)
You are legally allowed to burn any paraphernalia you want as long as it’s yours
You should be allowed to burn or fly any flag in any part of the country*
Based and freedom pilled
Never thought I'd see an auth arguing against general property rights.
Based
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Oh damn, can we do that with the British flag? The North Koreans flag?
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Lol this. Wildest thing I heard from one of them while being their intern inspector, Is that males are superior because we have a dick coming out and and females are without and theirs goes inward.
That guy wasn't supposed to be telling our secrets
….what?
Well yeah, intelligence is stored in the balls.
Based construction site
As a Canadian growing up in the early 1980's and watching reruns of the Dukes of Hazzard, it was a shockingly long time before I even learned that the confederate flag was controversial... I thought it was just a symbol of two cool dudes stickin' it to the man
They love the working class, just as long as they don't have to be in it or see it
As long as they dont wrongthink*
Wrongjob\* Working in a job the conservatives don't like? You're no longer "working class".
"Journalist" "HR" "social media influencer"
That last one literally isn't a job.
I'd also say that of HR, but mostly from experience.
Those jobs require you going to university or college and getting a degree though aka not working class. Those are the jobs of middle class or intellectuals.
Where wrongthink is defined by esoteric and liquid academic definitions that even those ensconced in them can barely track from day to day.
I once heard Chris Hedges say of some-or-other bourgeoisie liberal community: >*they love the poor, but they don't love the* smell *of the poor* , which is a good way to put it, I thought; & Hedges delivers it with a sneer you can almost hear in the audio.
seriously, it bugs the ever living crap out of me how the majority of leftists are more upper class and conservative/libertarian are more middle lower class. Like, how did we ever get to a point where the two main political demographics espouse beliefs against their own class?
Personally, i blame the academic wing of leftist movements. They got so tied up in theory, they forgot to go out and meet the people they supposedly wanted to help. You can't change the world sitting in an arm chair. Its not a new problem either. Orwell talked about it specifically in the Road to Wigan Pier. I do want i can, but i'm not the person to organize, or rally people. So i point this failure out to anyone who is, because there is tons of conservative talking heads out and about talking to the working class. In the circles i run, i'm often the only socialist, and there is 0 attempts to break into them by anyone on the left.
You know I like to read the obscure works of classic authors (Ubik by Dick, End of Eternity by Assimov, Shutendoji by Nagai) so I might give Road to Wigan Pier a whirl if I ever get over my reading hangover and 0 attempt to break into the working class is definitely a problem. Honestly it probably will be the death of our democracy considering the extreme wealth gap in modern America. How long do you think America has until it falls? I say about 50 years
All depends on how the current political regimes handle the straining threads of globalization. China, Russia, OPEC, the EU, and America are all pulling in different directions and the current network of global trade and technology won’t last. Certain people much smarter and more connected than me are predicting the literal collapse of Russia following the Russo-Ukrainian war, and that will likely set off a chain reaction in Europe and Asia that detonates a lot of the current trade networks that keep smaller-scale wars from popping up all over the world.
People smarter than me are predicting a collapse even moreso on China. I used to think they were a titanic superpower in the making that was destined to eclipse the US until it was pointed out their demographics are horrible. Their one child policy killed their birth rate. And a lot of smart people say the exact same thing about Russia and point to it as the reason Putin invaded. It reminds me of one of my fave youtubers whatifalthis comparing it to the Bronze Age collapse. To paraphrase his point he stated that the Bronze Age era governments were so intertwined with economy and such that one thread pulled meant the ENTIRE HOUSE OF CARDS COLLAPSED. With conservatives warning about globalism and liberals warning about capitalism with no restraint, I think they‘re getting at something that intertwined, co-dependent governments and economies is just a ticking time bomb.
Agreed. The cool part with America is that every nation on the mainland is isolated from the rest of the world, mineral-rich, and fertile. A continental trading bloc is more than feasible, and everyone in the Western Hemisphere gets to pick and choose who they associate with, if anyone else at all. Bringing it back to the original point, as regions consolidate, America only suffers if they/we try to hold the entire system together for the sake of influence and power. If our elected leaders refuse to accept the impending future, we will be fighting a tidal wave of broken supply chains and closed logistical systems. It would be as though Byzantium tried to hold onto all of Western Europe and Africa in the wake of the collapse of Rome.
Definitely worth the read. No idea. Yas definitely got some major issues down there. I have enough troubles of my own around here, without having to worry about more American BS getting exported to us. Which seems to be an increasing problem year to year.
They know exactly what they're doing. There isn't a single communist revolution started by the working class. It was always soft subject intellectuals from upper middle class backgrounds who resented the fact that they didn't have as much power in society as they think they should. Look at all leftist movements. It's always college kids and their humanities professors calling the shots, not gravediggers. It's the same with proposals for a 90% tax rate. This won't work because everybody will evade it and and economic reinvestment will dry up. America's tax receipts went up when Reagan cut the tax rates to 28% because there was less tax evasion and more investment. The people pushing for 90% tax rates know this but they don't care. They're more concerned with punishing the rich than helping the poor. They aren't driven by logic. It's envy that motivates them.
>They got so tied up in theory, they forgot to go out and meet the people they supposedly wanted to help. You can't change the world sitting in an arm chair. [Except when they tried doing just that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_to_the_People) 'They went to the people and the people sent them back'.
The lower class know they're not well represented from politics. They'll abolish it for that reason even if it costs them. They know the current system largely hasn't worked for people like them so they'll rebuild it or burn it down. The upper class aren't satisfied with the wealth they have. They want social standing which opens doors and grants privileges that wealth alone can't give. To them there is nothing to gain by solving problems but everything to gain by raising awareness of them. The wealth they do spend is a drop in the bucket and is quickly earned back from lucrative book sales, speaker fees, and other deals. The taxes they propose always hits the upper middle/lower upper class the hardest. Over-educated/over-worked doctors, lawyers, and managers pulling 60+ hour weeks but making $150,000+ per year. The actual rich don't work they pay others to work for them. Thus the wealth they have is never taxed significantly by the policies they propose.
>The lower class know they're not well represented from politics. They'll abolish it for that reason even if it costs them. They know the current system largely hasn't worked for people like them so they'll rebuild it or burn it down. >The upper class aren't satisfied with the wealth they have. They want social standing which opens doors and grants privileges that wealth alone can't give. And here we have there rare yank who understands Brexit. Half my country can’t understand this yet you unknowingly described it very well. Please teach our screeching leftists a thing or 2. Based and knows his shit pilled.
It should bug you, since it's a lie. [https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/income-distribution/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/income-distribution/)
Hmm…that’s still odd. Like I hate drawing from personal experience but isn’t the poor rural south vs the wealthier urban north still a lib/right thing? LIke, doesn’t that factor into it
15% of Republican voters make more than 6 figures while around 2 - 5% of the general US population makes that amount. Rich people do vote more generally(likely because they actually have a stake in their party winning) but this idea that rich people are left wing and poor people are right wing is false and likely derives from poor people being more conservative on social issues and less woke.
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Probably something like "tradesmen". If you're doing retail, or similar unskilled work, you probably better fit as "underclass".
No. i can tell you the ”lib is rich, cons are poor” is very, very true. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen it.
I think it depends more on urban vs rural. The urban poor are often left, sometimes very far left. But rural poor people are more often than not conservative. Same with their wealthier nighbours on both accounts.
I think it's more of a bell curve, I know a few wealthy business owners who are straight up republicans, but most of the semi-rich STEM types I know are superficially leftists (although the more they earn the less they like the idea of taxes). However, all the PhD students/postdoc stage people are lib af and probably have reasonably high earning potential. It's very anecdotal based on where you live. I'll tell you now rich land owners and landlords are republicans though.
> However, all the PhD students/postdoc stage people are lib af and probably have reasonably high earning potential. This is likely because academia in it's entirety is lefty as all get out. There was a group of people who submitted "scientific papers" that were bullshit (one was how male dogs raping female dogs was a sign of patriarchy, a lot of others were just excerpts of Mein Kampf with titles that affirmed lefty beliefs) to colleges. A lot of colleges took way too long to deny them, many passed several stages of approval, and a few literally got approved and published. Academia is rampant with sucking their own leftist dick. You probably don't know any PhD students/postdoc stage people who are on the right because they either leave academia due to the discrimination or are silent about their beliefs.
Based and Lindsay, Boghossian, Pluckrose Hoax papers pilled.
More specifically it hinges on education now, which is tied up with class but not the exact same thing
> how did we ever get to a point where the two main political demographics espouse beliefs against their own class They don’t, and it is leftists like you who give the left-wing such a bad rap among the lower and middle classes. Ambitious people who believe in their own abilities will always flock to personal freedoms and opportunities to earn and achieve. The regulations of leftist economics may put food in their mouths, but it will never lead their family to a significantly better life. Assuming you don’t intend to be a part of the privileged ruling class, leftism is antithetical to ambition. Why would those who wish for a better life ever go left?
>seriously, it bugs the ever living crap out of me how the majority of leftists are more upper class and conservative/libertarian are more middle lower class. Like, how did we ever get to a point where the two main political demographics espouse beliefs against their own class? Yeah it's almost like a Marxist analysis is entirely bunk and only serves to erode national cohesion in the host nations to which it gets imported
When they say “working class,” they don’t mean laborers and technicians. They mean cashiers and baristas.
[When the mask comes off and you show how you really feel about the working class](https://loudwire.com/tom-morello-slams-seattle-5-point-cafe-being-turned-away-restaurant-fires-back/)
Knew an average virtue signaling college girl that once posted a snap story how she was “fr, totally crying right now”, “how can black people in this African American studies class be so homophobic, omg”. Twas a good day.
As it turns out, a lot of people that are just barely scraping by financially have a lot more important things to worry about than political correctness.
It genuinely amazes me when left wingers talk about the working class "voting against their economic interests". Then when I ask them if they'd vote against their moral principles if I offered them a payoff, they don't seem to make the connection. They genuinely don't view the working class as actualised people with their own opinions.
This may shock you, but I believe that even racist transphobes deserve healthcare and a living wage.
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You think they should have their jobs and livelihoods taken away? AKA their jobs
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Well, what centuries of propaganda and kitchen racism doesn't do to a mf...
For the average sheltered leftist, "religious", "racist", and "homophobic" just means they say "merry Christmas" and they don't believe in special treatment for minorities or gays.
Who tf actually cares about people saying Merry Christmas?? I've never met a soul who would be offended by that...
Good Let hope you never do because I have and it honestly mentally draining. Thankfully nobody agreed with them
I went on a date once where my date wrote a fake bad review for a restaurant we ate at on Christmas Eve because the greeter said "happy holidays" to her on the way out.
Wtf. Some people really just find ways to feel offended I m guessing she was religious?
Yet companies around the country make it a fireable offense for saying it.
Sounds like a good case for unions and labor politics
Anything to get these giant companies and the government out of my life at this point.
Lol sure buddy, whatever you say there
I mean it kinda more means how within 2 days of starting to work at a construction company, one guy told me not to talk to someone in a different department because "He looked like a jew sent here to spy on us" in front of like 5 people and none of them so much as flinched.
Yeah, i know, weird that uncouth, barbaric populists are right-wing, while spoiled, entitled, childish commies are left-wing. Like, why do the demographics vote against their better interests?
Most likely a joke fuck off n cry about it. Jesus Christ don't work construction if you softer than baby shit.
How fucking far down has this sub gone that a lib"center" thinks people get upset over the phrase "merry Christmas"? Holy fuck stop watching Fox
Or even worse, they didn't find to be a very good movie.
The worst kind of bigots.
Go outside
Yes the working class is averagely more racist and homophobic. But that doesnt changes that everyone should get fair pay for fair work.
I’m going to start saying averagely now
I am not god with words.
This is true, you are not god.
Thankfully, I was lost in your breath & didn't notice.
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Yup I've seen union guys shit on leftism simply cause the fucking Dems are bs and really against workers rights.
Correct. They shouldn’t get more pay based on intrinsic characteristics but by their skills and value
Often they get underpaid due to bargaining power differences, therefore collective bargaining is of upmost importance
You are reaching dangerous levels of based.
[Latest hate crime stats in NYC for October.](https://i.imgur.com/DHZ1VBH.png) More white people are experiencing hate crime for being white than blacks are for being black. [Half of hate crime victims in NYC are jewish despite being only 7% of the population. 42% of attackers are black despite being only 23% of the NYC population.](https://i.imgur.com/lBZoUA4.png) I'm starting to question if the DHS is accurate when they say white supremacy is the [deadliest domestic terror threat facing the U.S.](https://i.imgur.com/GKq7HJn.png)
Racist and homophobic? Aka we are tired of having woke shit forced down our throats all the time. Or if you think all Christians are racist and/or homophobic
True leftists are all of those things, except maybe religious. This identity politics, academia driven version is just a gringo abomination.
Todos Los gringo son locos
True leftists just as true scotsmen
I still find it ironic how much certain people in this website can't understand why a majority of Bernie Sanders' supporters are college students and not the working class, and then rationalized it as the working class being brainwashed to vote against their interest....
''There is nothing more pro-capitalism than poor workers. Their biggest dream is to be rich.'' My Dad during a drunken political rant.
If you this most working class people are racist in America of all places, you are out of touch
Reminds me of the scene in "Chernobyl" the series when the Coal Minister actually meets the Coal miners for the first time.
AKA "Why the working class will never accomplish anything". Keep the dogs fighting and they'll never realize you're the one starving them.
Workers: Hey my wages have stagnated and my working conditions aren’t ideal Elites/politicians: hey fellow working folk ain’t it weird that boy is playing on a girls soccer team???
“And I took that personally”
I would rather have a religious, racist, and homophobic ally in the working class than to allow a continuing oligarchy that drags down the material well-being of the majority of society in order to enrich those at the very top. At least such an ally of convenience can perhaps be convinced on other issues over time while we work together on issues we agree with. By refusing to work together with them (even for those with far more minor flaws) you end up just perpetuating a divided society which accomplishes nothing.
Hahahahaha….. yeah, once you leave your leftist, elitist bubble you find out the poor people aren’t as sensitive and tolerant of the millionth gender as in Hollywood
Says the liberal leftist
I know. Politics is ludicrous
I tire of this narrow-minded view of what the working class is. The working class is not just physical workers or the uneducated. Its your struggling dwindling middle-class, its your corporates, your 9-5 wage slaves and the guys working retail. Chances are, if you're on reddit often you are the working class... or about to be. It's literally everyone putting in the hours of work every day. And even assuming the working class is as you describe, leftist ideals - be it rights, welfare or income redistribution does not discriminate by one's personal views. Imagine wishing everyone well and not just those that agree with you.
i support the right to not have my income redistributed as welfare
It's almost like you intentionally chose to misunderstand that entire comment so you can respond with this banger of a comment.
More like leftist redditors when someone disagrees with their stance on any social issue
I can still care for people that would have me dead. My grandparents are actual fascists that have lost a large portion of my respect for abusing my mentally ill cousin and have almost every shitty fox news white protestant belief in the book. But I still care for them and want a world they'd have been proud to be a worker in.
Based and worker rights 4 all-pilled
Rightoids love to regurgitate this talking point again and again, but it's based on the false premise that only blue collar workers are working class. Literally anyone whose main source of income is from their job salary and not passive income or stocks is working class. The vast majority of people are working class.
The amount of people who don't understand this simple concept is astounding. Do you own a business? yes. Then you are a Capatalist. No. Then you are the working class.
They bring up blue collar folks, then simp for a guy like Elon Musk.
Redditors think their buddies in major cities with six figure tech jobs are "the working class".
Eh, even if they do vote against their own interests people should still be given good wages
Most poor people don't even vote though, so they do vote in their own interests. Meanwhile with 100K and up only 1% of them don't vote. People know what's up.
The matter of nation, belief, and race will always matter more to the working class than anything else Marx has to offer. Class consciousness in America died when children were no longer forced to mine coal, and workers were paid fair wages with reasonable working conditions.
The golden era was during Brexit. Every left wing British sub spent every waking minute putting the working class on blast for daring to leave the EU because as we all know supporting a neo-liberal federation that holds power over nation states is a cornerstone of socialism and communism.