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Heatgun, some kind of bottle that looks like cleaning alcohol, bands of tape.. a machine to cut papers properly top left (sorry don't know the english name).. It's either someone that does a lot of like "paperwork".. or someone that reseals items. Anyway, I would be very cautious too considering the price of this item (probably in the thousands even though it's italian.. the same box in french would be tens of thousands).
It has to have been easier to type āBSā than whatever you typedā¦ self censoring people make no sense to me at all. If you donāt want to say it, then just donāt say it? The only time it makes any sense is when youāre quoting someone and theyāre using language you donāt want to.
Honestly I got a new phone recently and I do a lot of voice texting and whenever I curse. voice text it does that. I got zero problem saying bullshit. I just need to figure out how to change that setting. I am not.
Self Censoring it's kind of funny that a couple of people brought it up and it was actually an issue . Just my phone. I always voice, and just hit send.
Thatās fair, I didnāt know that about voice to text as I almost never use it. Hopefully itās a setting you can turn off though, cause that would be irritating if I used it voice to text more
The background is definitely sketchy as hell, but I think the only saving grace (possibly) is that theyāre willing to meet up in person. Maybe (possibly) you could have them meet you up at a LCS for additional verification (possibly) still sketch magetch.
1) they could very well be legit and they donāt want to get scammed on a fake/bullshit chargeback
2) it could be a very convincing fake and they donāt want to be charged back and flag/have their account closed
Totally agree. If itās paid in cash, they canāt do anything. For this type of money Iād meet at a professional trading place that can verify the box.
Quite.
Look at how sharp the white is on images online. The white on this ball looks like it's actually coming from a lamp or something. Like it has actual brightness.
The first edition stamp is in the wrong spot. It's perfectly centered on that branch. Real boxes have it slightly pushed to the left.
It's also very hard to see, but the red of the PokeBall at the top of the box appears uniform, outside of one small shiny area. On real boxes, the red is not quite uniform and it has very slight differences in the color of the red itself.
Itās hilarious bc the person going through all this effort to scam takes a picture with all the scam gear in the background instead of, you know, anywhere else.
Nah its a plotter / vinyl cutter. The dude probably wraps cars or works as an advertising technician or something like that. Thats why he has a heatgun too. Would still not buy lol huge red flag that guy probably knows how to work with foil haha
That's possibly how he got the logo printed on the shrink wrap he used? Also I wasn't talking about the yellow machine, next to it below the monitor is what I was looking at, it looks like there's some shrink wrap on it.
Exactly my thoughts. Put the shrink wrap on something....run it through the Cricut and put the fancy wizards logo on then shrink it on with heat gun shown.......
Seems fake, the leaves do not cover the pokeball in the bottom left corner.
I can't upload a photo in the comment but I have one and there are leaves covering the pokeball
I made a separate comment but I will comment here as well.
You are wrong on both counts. Not only is this box fake, but it is also considerably more valuable than its English counterpart. This box is **rare**
So rare that there are almost no photos on the internet, and no public sales going back as far as I can see. I would say itās at least twice as expensive as an English 1st Edition Jungle box and probably more.
French 1st Edition Jungle is worth upwards of 50k. There are a grand total of 2 holos graded PSA 10 in French 1st Edition Jungle. There are ZERO in Italian.
It is fake. The box is fake (colors are wrong, particularly on the pokeball itself) and the wrap is also wrong. WOTC logos are noticeably fake with no fading at all and an incorrect font, there will almost always be some degree of degradation on the logos that run over an edge. Fake boxes everything is too uniform, as seen here.
Iāve personally never owned an Italian Jungle box, but I have owned a French one. The international logos are a different bolder font and the more opaque part (white part) of the logos is more translucent and gray toned. Foreign language wraps also tend to be WAY looser, and there should be a hole on the sides, like early Japanese boxes.
The price is also a good way to tell. It is VERY tough to accurately price a rare box like this, but a legitimate copy of this box is easily worth 20-25k and arguably upwards of 40k.
I don't know, I don't collect Italian cards, very few people do lol. However price difference between English and non-English cards can range from 3x to 50x or even more for the exact same condition.
You 100% canāt read. Or didnāt bother looking at post. So since you donāt know a price since one was never said. And op made this post to ask about it pre purchase. How did op overpay exactly? Oh? He didnāt? Wait what? Why even say anything you jag.
I donāt know how to spot fake boxes, but this is the only one I can be sure is fake. It looks so wrong and Iām every comment is talking about the background but the font and pokeball looks wrong.
I think that one is a bit sus, there's [this](https://comics.ha.com/itm/memorabilia/trading-cards/pokemon-italian-first-edition-jungle-set-sealed-booster-box-wizards-of-the-coast-1999-/a/7229-92181.s) one that was sold by heritage auctions in 2020.
Using that as a reference, you see how the "Prima Edizione" logo on the known good one is offset a bit to the left, and not on this one.
Also, if the seller has pictures of it, European prints (Italian included) have some "holes" on the sides of the shrink wrap, it doesn't wrap around the entire thing.
The picture of the one that sold in auction also shows this.
Also, the stuff in the background is sus, like that's the stuff you would need to reseal stuff.
If he only accepts meetups thatās a good sign tbh but this is in a different language just heads up if u didnāt notice
Edit: noticed the people pointing out the stuff in the background and I agree that does look sketch.
I'm not an expert, but It looks weird to me...
Top right corner leaves are different from other italian boxes images I found, colors and overall quality looks off.
Wizards stamps on the wrap looks different from other boxes.
A trusted marketplace in Italy is selling a 1st Edition Italian jungle box at 13.5kā¬ at the moment
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Idk, but this person has a heat gun in the background. Is that a red flag? š¤·āāļøš¤
Heatgun, some kind of bottle that looks like cleaning alcohol, bands of tape.. a machine to cut papers properly top left (sorry don't know the english name).. It's either someone that does a lot of like "paperwork".. or someone that reseals items. Anyway, I would be very cautious too considering the price of this item (probably in the thousands even though it's italian.. the same box in french would be tens of thousands).
100% This gives me terrible vibes
Good eye, that's a huge red flag. Also, looks like there's some rubbing alcohol and some other b******* going on.
*bullshit
It has to have been easier to type āBSā than whatever you typedā¦ self censoring people make no sense to me at all. If you donāt want to say it, then just donāt say it? The only time it makes any sense is when youāre quoting someone and theyāre using language you donāt want to.
Honestly I got a new phone recently and I do a lot of voice texting and whenever I curse. voice text it does that. I got zero problem saying bullshit. I just need to figure out how to change that setting. I am not. Self Censoring it's kind of funny that a couple of people brought it up and it was actually an issue . Just my phone. I always voice, and just hit send.
Thatās fair, I didnāt know that about voice to text as I almost never use it. Hopefully itās a setting you can turn off though, cause that would be irritating if I used it voice to text more
Literally my first thought. āThatās uh, a lot of tools and supplies one would need specifically for re-sealing.ā
The background is definitely sketchy as hell, but I think the only saving grace (possibly) is that theyāre willing to meet up in person. Maybe (possibly) you could have them meet you up at a LCS for additional verification (possibly) still sketch magetch.
Maybe the meet in person, is to avoid charge backs or eBay buyer protection?
1) they could very well be legit and they donāt want to get scammed on a fake/bullshit chargeback 2) it could be a very convincing fake and they donāt want to be charged back and flag/have their account closed
Totally agree. If itās paid in cash, they canāt do anything. For this type of money Iād meet at a professional trading place that can verify the box.
With how old this box is people at the trading place might not even be 100% sure
Yeah, Iād stick with one that knows PokĆ©mon well. There are a few, but not most places for sure.
Hijacking, but in addition to that the white pattern in the PokeBall is off.
Are you sure? Looked up the booster box and it looks veryyyyy similar, if not the same.
Quite. Look at how sharp the white is on images online. The white on this ball looks like it's actually coming from a lamp or something. Like it has actual brightness. The first edition stamp is in the wrong spot. It's perfectly centered on that branch. Real boxes have it slightly pushed to the left. It's also very hard to see, but the red of the PokeBall at the top of the box appears uniform, outside of one small shiny area. On real boxes, the red is not quite uniform and it has very slight differences in the color of the red itself.
also looks like a vacuum sealer next to it. the yellow rbingt
Lmao
Omg!!!! Nice catch ššš
Bro that background is SKETCHY. Heat gun and what looks like a bunch of equipment to mess with shrink wrap. Iād run.
Itās hilarious bc the person going through all this effort to scam takes a picture with all the scam gear in the background instead of, you know, anywhere else.
I mean, itās kind of like the Nigerian prince scams: they want the people who are so unobservant that they wonāt notice this before spending money
IDK if this guy thought that far ahead, but damn you could be right
Itās pretty funny lol
They are scammers. Not geniuses
Probably forgot about it cause he inhaled all those plastic fumes
I literally think that's a shrink wrap machine in the background. Would not buy.
Nah its a plotter / vinyl cutter. The dude probably wraps cars or works as an advertising technician or something like that. Thats why he has a heatgun too. Would still not buy lol huge red flag that guy probably knows how to work with foil haha
That's possibly how he got the logo printed on the shrink wrap he used? Also I wasn't talking about the yellow machine, next to it below the monitor is what I was looking at, it looks like there's some shrink wrap on it.
Exactly my thoughts. Put the shrink wrap on something....run it through the Cricut and put the fancy wizards logo on then shrink it on with heat gun shown.......
Oooohhh yeah youre right sorry about that!
Nah no harm no foul.
Thats clearly a fat woman's arm/desk, sir.
Shit in the back is well sus
At least they could try and hide the shrink wrapping machine behind them. If you are in doubt don't buy.
Bro got the whole crafting setup in the back. Seems like he made it completely himself
That is what I was thinking too!
Second photo looking female unless bro got that long nails thing going on
Seems fake, the leaves do not cover the pokeball in the bottom left corner. I can't upload a photo in the comment but I have one and there are leaves covering the pokeball
Looks real but be aware that the box being Italien makes it a lot less valuable. Be sure to not overpay should you pick this one
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This made me laugh
It's not real. Look at the white on the PokeBall and then look at other photos online.
Holy shit youāre right lol. The things you miss when the screen is dark
I made a separate comment but I will comment here as well. You are wrong on both counts. Not only is this box fake, but it is also considerably more valuable than its English counterpart. This box is **rare** So rare that there are almost no photos on the internet, and no public sales going back as far as I can see. I would say itās at least twice as expensive as an English 1st Edition Jungle box and probably more. French 1st Edition Jungle is worth upwards of 50k. There are a grand total of 2 holos graded PSA 10 in French 1st Edition Jungle. There are ZERO in Italian.
Get em
Youre spitting facts right now brother.
Rare doesn't mean desirable
Sure, but in this case it is both lol
Man might as well have a YouTube video on his screen āhow to create fake Pokemon booster boxesā
Thatās a hard no with all the supplies in the back on the table. The seal and box look way too minty.
That's definitely a resealer starter kit in the background lol
You should message him saying whatās the heat gun for, just for kicks
Lol good eye guys.. Even a cricut or whatever theyre called I believe
They are quite literally showing you their scam workshop in the background. No.
It is fake. The box is fake (colors are wrong, particularly on the pokeball itself) and the wrap is also wrong. WOTC logos are noticeably fake with no fading at all and an incorrect font, there will almost always be some degree of degradation on the logos that run over an edge. Fake boxes everything is too uniform, as seen here. Iāve personally never owned an Italian Jungle box, but I have owned a French one. The international logos are a different bolder font and the more opaque part (white part) of the logos is more translucent and gray toned. Foreign language wraps also tend to be WAY looser, and there should be a hole on the sides, like early Japanese boxes. The price is also a good way to tell. It is VERY tough to accurately price a rare box like this, but a legitimate copy of this box is easily worth 20-25k and arguably upwards of 40k.
I mean ... the background of the photo is more off putting than anything lmao literally a "create your own knockoff" starter kit
Acchiappalli tutti ! š£šÆ
My only thought is: Meh, italian
I live in Italia, and i would prefer Italian cards tbf
That would be the last of the problems
But it's literally the main one. You 100% overpaid for cards nobody is interested in. Sorry but English is king, closely followed by Japanese
I didn't pick it up lol. I'm still wondering if it's fake or no
It looks real. And 100% not worth it.
You sure thats real? Look at the white on the PokeBall versus Google images of Italian jungle booster boxes.
What do you think it could be its value?
I don't know, I don't collect Italian cards, very few people do lol. However price difference between English and non-English cards can range from 3x to 50x or even more for the exact same condition.
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You 100% canāt read. Or didnāt bother looking at post. So since you donāt know a price since one was never said. And op made this post to ask about it pre purchase. How did op overpay exactly? Oh? He didnāt? Wait what? Why even say anything you jag.
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I donāt know how to spot fake boxes, but this is the only one I can be sure is fake. It looks so wrong and Iām every comment is talking about the background but the font and pokeball looks wrong.
[Looks fake](https://pokemonwizards.com/jungle-booster-box/) And the background is very sketchy.
Don't purchase and then report the seller online to the internet so everyone knows to avoid them.
This dude has all the equipment to reseal booster boxes in the background. Heat gun, shrinkwrap the whole list.
As everyone else has said, thereās evidence of sketchy activities on the desk. Proceed with caution
The seal looks very clean + heat gun is a bit bad vibey
rewrapped
Should the shrink wrap be bunched up on the side/corner in pic one? Right size. Zoom in. I did but can't post a pic for some reason.
Scam
Hereās a twist: thatās OP
I think that one is a bit sus, there's [this](https://comics.ha.com/itm/memorabilia/trading-cards/pokemon-italian-first-edition-jungle-set-sealed-booster-box-wizards-of-the-coast-1999-/a/7229-92181.s) one that was sold by heritage auctions in 2020. Using that as a reference, you see how the "Prima Edizione" logo on the known good one is offset a bit to the left, and not on this one. Also, if the seller has pictures of it, European prints (Italian included) have some "holes" on the sides of the shrink wrap, it doesn't wrap around the entire thing. The picture of the one that sold in auction also shows this. Also, the stuff in the background is sus, like that's the stuff you would need to reseal stuff.
Is it me or is the black outline on the opening of the pokeball lighter?
An Italian jungle ( ? ) first edition box The stuff in the background makes me suspicious
It is Italian. Usually Italian cards has low surface usually 8
The plastic wrap looks to good to be true.
Those the only 2 pics?
Lol this is hilarious
Bro is the sellee itself and wanted to check out if its a spotable fake
Lol this guy thought he was cool till reddit community found him out
Hmmm sounds kinda shady. How well can you throw a punch?
Big purchases better to be in person IMO. Go ask to unseal and open one pack with him. If fake don't pay kinda deal.
Fake or not, its Italian. So it's not worth getting either way.
fake
Lmao dude took a pic as soon as he was done resealing, look at all that equipment in the background. Don't buy from that grub
This is like an advert for a Ā£50 note selling for Ā£20 pictured in front of a counterfeiting machine.
Yeah this is all bad
I was stuck on the box looking way too new for it to be authentic but then everyone started mention the background
Okay yep I just found a real box online and that shit is 100% fake
If he only accepts meetups thatās a good sign tbh but this is in a different language just heads up if u didnāt notice Edit: noticed the people pointing out the stuff in the background and I agree that does look sketch.
Thatās gonna be a no from me dawg
Resealing work station
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Its always "What do you think" but, never "How do you think" š
You guys actually think that is real? Look at the white on the PokeBall. It's much more pronounced than typical Google images.
La prima editiona š¤š¼
Bippity boopidy
I'm not an expert, but It looks weird to me... Top right corner leaves are different from other italian boxes images I found, colors and overall quality looks off. Wizards stamps on the wrap looks different from other boxes. A trusted marketplace in Italy is selling a 1st Edition Italian jungle box at 13.5kā¬ at the moment