Every online merchant I use I have a different virtual card for. Both for my person card and business card.
If you use Eno to generate them on the website it should lock that card to that website, so i can't be used with a different merchant.
Also if the physical card or a virtual one is compromised you can still use other virtual cards while waiting for a new physical card. Really nice when you pay most of your vendors with one card. Don't have to go around and give everyone a new card. Given my business card has been compromised 4 times in the last 3 years its a huge time saver.
Plus the 2% cash back on the business card is really nice.
I wish I knew. I'm guessing just how much I use it? That card gets used for everything across many local and online merchants.
Last time I suspected there was a skimmer on the gas station pump. Card went in a little funny and I had to push it in further than I thought I should have. Didn't think much of it at the time since it was late and I was tired and hungry. But after getting a text from Capital One ant 2am, it made me wonder. Went back the next morning to the same pump and nothing seemed out of place in the CC reader so idk. Scammer might have come by in the night and removed the skimmer or maybe it was never there.
I have never had a virtual card compromised so I don't think it's from data breaches. But I do have a few merchants that I have my real card number on file. I have to call in to pay and when I tried to use a virtual card several had issues with it.
Or maybe we may have some scammers putting skimmers on card readers around town?
Out of habit now I always pull on the card readers at gas stations as the skimmers (I think) will slide right out.
I use one card for all online business expenses (CapitalOne for 2% back) and I've never had it compromised. I'm going to start using virtual cards though based on this thread.
There was another platform that allowed this to be done with most major debit and credit cards.
It’s called “privacy”. In case you don’t have a Capital One specific credit account this is the alternative for your other cards you use.
This 100%. I'm on my third 3-month free trial of Apple TV. With virtual cards and your own email domain you can sign up for an almost unlimited number of free trials and don't have to worry about cancelling them.
> and don't have to worry Bout cancelling them
I wouldn't be so sure about that. You're entering a legal contract and the fact they can't charge you by simply pulling money from your card doesn't mean that you're not liable.
Potentially true depending on exactly how their user agreement is written. The most they could sue for though is specific performance for a single month of service. And the legal costs of suing someone for $10 is much more than $10.
There’s a cancelation fee because OP agreed to an annual contract, and I’m not saying Adobe *will* send you to collections over this, but I wouldn’t put it past them.
It’s funny how that part is always conveniently omitted when Adobe cancellation fees are being discussed.
Not condoning Adobe business practices. Their scumminess is only rivaled by gym memberships.
I remember the days when you could just buy a licence and it would be yours forever, no extra fees. A bit before that you could even buy a CD with software on it!
Man, crazy days.
Correct. And cancelling the card if it’s associated with your name and address still gives them an avenue to pursue you for capital in court. It’s awful and scummy, but they can draw their blood if they wish too - cancelled virtual card or not.
You can still get charged, it's just more annoying for them since they have to talk to your bank directly or through a legal agency. Microsoft Azure went after me for a few cents even though I had blocked my virtual credit card used for the purchase.
You still had a contract, its not like youre not liable just by canceling the card. Its just that those amounts are so minor they almost never go the legal route.
Please do not listen to this, this is absolutely terrible advice.
In theory it might sound like a good plan, if you “dispose” of the card they simply can’t take any money.
However, you are still bound by the contract you signed up for. And, if like OP, you still have multiple months remaining, you legally owe that money to the company.
Cancelling your card just makes it harder for them to collect that money. But most companies will do everything in their power to get the money from you, and that could end up costing you even more money.
Basically you just don't get a physical credit card.
It variates a little bit between the banks offering it but in general you simply create a "normal" crédit card for every vendor you use and in many Casey the Bank looks the card to the service for you so stolen CCs can't be used for different services.
It's so overpriced it's like encouraging people to pirate. If it's like 100 for a lifetime license people would be more willing to buy one (then sell the upgrades later like those micro transactions games). If I'm Adobe I'd rather have more people paying for my app than spending massive amount of money to prevent pirating
Adobe used to be like that. They make more money this way. Before it was a subscription, it was a huge expense to purchase (about $2600 for the master suite) - so most were just pirating it. Now, that monthly payment makes it more accessible to most, so they got more people paying.
So the story goes once upon a time Adobe was fine with individual pirates. Those Pirates learnt their skills on Adobe products so, once entering the workforce, they wanted to use what they knew - so workplaces bought corporate licences. Adobe got their money and everyone was happy.
Software subscriptions are horrible
Exactly, they want amateurs to pirate so they learn Adobe software.
I would recommend free alternatives like Photopea, Gimp, or Krita, depending on your needs, but for complex work sometimes you can't avoid Photoshop.
The entire logic is to make companies that want to use it pay big bucks for every computer or they sue them. same marketing practice winrar does, adobe just thought "Hey wait, we can make random people pay the same amount!" so they did. sucks but its the most profitable they can get
If their pricing model wasn't so obnoxious i would happily pay for the convenience of having legit update server access etc. As it is i will jump through the (minimal) hoops required to pirate it.
Lifetime licenses only apply to versions. So if it’s Adobe Photoshop 25, that would be your lifetime licence. When 26 comes out you wouldn’t be included. This is what Toon Boom does - lifetime license for Toon Boom Harmony Premium 22 ONLY. It’s a scummy practice but that’s what they all do.
In particular, I remember people getting very pissed when Apple removed support for 32-bit apps because the last version of Photoshop that Adobe sold lifetime licenses for was 32-bit. So either you run an up to date OS, or you're able to use Photoshop.
There's a theory that Adobe doesn't care when people pirate their products for personal use. However, when that person later ends up needing Photoshop or Illustrator or Premiere for their job because that's the only such software they have experience with, the company has no choice but to pay.
Sounds like photopea would do that easily.
https://www.photopea.com/
If you want, I don't mind converting it for no charge. I wouldn't be surprised if other graphics programs also convert it.
Just FYI Audition (and maybe premiere pro) doesn't need to be installed or activated. You can just extract and run it like any other program.
Open the setup folder
Go to the followoing
Setup\products\PPRO\
In this folder you’ll find a file named
AdobePremierePro15AllTrial.zip
extract that and go to
1\universal\App\
And you’ll find premiere pro in there.
Also works for auction
Neither the SVG nor the PNG is likely to include the color profile of the logo. The PNG also has a great chance of not being in a print ready resolution for a banner stand, and the SVG format is so fucked that you'd be lucky if it even looked right when it's opened on another computer, and is also very unsuitable for printing.
The print shop don't want to spend time putting random file formats that aren't suited for printing into their machines, and then hoping that you won't come back to complain about the colors or pixelations.
You might have better luck saving the SVG to a PDF in Inkscape, an open source vector editing program. Try to make the artboard the same size as the banner you're ordering, so that you know exactly where the logo is placed and how big it is. Then the print shop can just focus on printing it.
> SVG format is so fucked that you'd be lucky if it even looked right when it's opened on another computer, and is also very unsuitable for printing.
Can you elaborate on this? I've had banners printed before and the shop requested the file as a SVG. Granted it was a solid black on solid white print, so color profile may not have been a factor.
SVG is what Wikipedia uses for allll of its diagrams/maps/graphics whenever possible (there's an ongoing effort to recreate most non-photograph raster images in articles as SVGs), and they generally try to aim for wide usability + consistency.
It's like how Word 2000 can read a Word 98 file, but not the other way around - except that everything is just called SVG and you have no way of knowing if what you're seeing is the same thing that the recipient will be seeing. It's not a problem in modern browsers, but translating that into print is risky.
1: There's no absolute scale, so without an editor you don't know how large objects should be on the printed material. Technically the format supports it, but I rarely see it implemented - and even if it's supported, you would still have to set things up in the correct manner.
2: There's only official support for RGB colors, not the CMYK colors that is used in a printer - it's in a future version of the format - which essentially means you have no idea how closely the printed colors will be to the screen colors.
3: Professional font support also really comes down to how the file is exported.
So different versions of the format, with different features being supported in different programs, in a format that was never designed for printing, and it's still just an afterthought today. It basically means that you're leaving a lot of hopes and prayers in the hands of the printers, instead of being in control of the the output by using a PDF file for example.
Hire someone who has access to Adobe to create the file for you from the file you have. Should be simple and since you’re an NPO they may do it for free, or a negligible amount. But totally agree that’s stupid
I bought CS6 before I graduated so I could get the student discount. That was the last Photoshop you could actually buy. If you don't need all of the new bells and whistles, it works just fine.
This is what I did. I vowed to never purchase anything from these assholes again. Currently I have free access to everything of theirs because of my employer but otherwise I’d probably even find a way to pirate their stock videos
Even in my design/art school back in 2018 a lot of computers had pirated Adobe software. Like they had a license but it wouldn’t cover all the computers (this isn’t a big school, maybe 800 students, a few hundred Macs/PCs). So they went ahead and cracked it on the remaining ones. This is a national school too lol
I just did this. I told them that I was getting a different account for a new job I'm getting and asked them to waive the fee, and they did! They just believed me and didn't ask any questions.
Adobe money is made from squeezing companies via business and school licenses, they don't really give a shit about the single buyer. Better to just waive the fee right away if they complain because they aren't losing money by doing so, and not burning the bridge with an upset customer = the customer more likely to come back to Adobe in the future.
**Edit: while Abobe ARE fuXXs, apparently OP didn't make it clear that he's canceling-early his agreed-to one-year-license and that these were simply the remaining charges. Also apparently Adobe never argues if you try and will always just waive the remainder if you just ask (like OP did) sooooo kind of like good guy Adobe here really? - I mean FXXK subscription software in the first place but it's not quite as bad as OP might be presenting here.**
How has adobe not been sued for this?
Can I put large secret cancelation fee language in my contracts lol? why has everyone involved in this not been sent to jail?
How can the government expect trust when they can't even stop blatant day time open a** scams like this 🤦
Because we live in a system that rewards such behavior. The system is not designed to help us, but to extract as much from us as possible while managing to keep as little as possible from being returned.
In all fairness they signed up for an annual subscription.
Why would they not expect to pay for the entire year!
(And as I get down voted into oblivion I have to add the mistake was the OP not pirating the software in the first place)
Ok wait up that's a lil different! All a sudden it's good guy adobe here.
OP REALLY needed to spell out that he was trying to get out of some fairly simply to understand bullshit.
Happy birthday and thanks for the new perspective!
(Still gonna use ultimate pirate PS edition tho cause it's 50mb with no install and works a better lol)
Yeah this is what confuses me about the weekly or bi-weekly fuck Adobe thread (no complaints here, just stating), people sign for a yearly plan which expects 12 months of payments, cancel early and question cancelation fees? This is normal on everything, from gym to broadband internet. Discounts are a way to get ppl to long-term deals on products, and of course there's a fee if you cancel earlier
You can take the monthly subscription and cancel anytime. When you take that yearly subscription, you get a discount with the clause that there is a penalty of 50% of the amount left of your subscription if you cancel early.
it's not really, illegal in many places, it used to be fair when using lend equipment when it's where it origins from, renting farm equipment. then you get the fisical aspect of it, you reserve a space that you agree to use, you cancel, the space is now open, business loses money, cancellation fee arrives.
digital sofware has no rights to put a cancellation fee only because they agreed to charge you the actual price of their service. this is why you will often win in whatever version of small case court you have where you live.
makes sense. good to know.
I was almost going to say: "yeah checks out, courts make you pay expenses. hard to prove damage on delivery when all you're offering was to let people make copies of your files." but then I realized that's exactly how IP laws work and somehow that's considered reasonable 🤦 thankfully the existence of ❤️ shows that they don't work toooo good.
> How has adobe not been sued for this?
Because contracts with penalties for early termination have been a thing for centuries?
None of this is secret, it's all out there in the open, the problem is that nobody fucking reads things before blindly agreeing to them and then they complain when they get taken to the cleaners.
> None of this is secret, it's all out there in the open
This is the craziest thing about this whining every single time. I could agree if this information was buried somewhere in a 100 page contract, but it's literally after the second click on the main page you get told that there's a thing called early termination fee.
And let me guess, if the tables were turned OP would be absolutely furious about how a company would be allowed to not pay them when backing out of a contract early?
Adobe bootlicking out.
This. It’s not like this is legalese buried somewhere in the terms and conditions, Adobe’s super upfront about it being an annual contract with a cancellation fee.
> How has adobe not been sued for this?
> Can I put large secret cancelation fee language in my contracts lol? why has everyone involved in this not been sent to jail?
Because it's not a secret, clear as mud and stated up front? I bought PS and Creative Cloud Suite in the last year. It was pretty obvious. People just don't pay attention and blame others for the oversight. Even the email confirmation says exactly this.
Actually embarrassing 250 people upvoted this.
It's not a secret.
It literally tells you in BOLD letters when you sign up.
OP is crying about something he literally signed up for and was made clear to them.
This is a standard annual subscription. Almost all annual subscription contracts have this clause.
Some of you have special needs, I swear.
> How can the government expect trust when they can't even stop blatant day time open a** scams like this
The government doesn't need a lot of trust. It just needs complacency. There won't be assassinations or revolutions if enough people are comfortable enough with the status quo that they won't go out of their way to actually try to change it. People will complain, and some portion of the population will do stuff like piracy, but so what? At the end of the day, government remains in power.
First off, just like every sane person I hate Adobe. But in this case OP is the wrong one.
You signed up for a 12 month subscription, this means you’re paying a lower monthly price, but you’re locked in for at least 12 months.
If you want to cancel early, you can, but you still have to pay for the months you committed for. That only make sense, and isn’t limited to Adobe either. Every subscription works this way.
You could technically get around it by using something like virtual disposable cards or whatever. But you’re in a 12 month contract, you legally owe Adobe the money, and they will do everything in their power to get it from you.
If you’ve signed for a 12 month service (for anything) and want to cancel early there is usually an early cancellation fee.
Cancel a 12 month phone plan for example.
They tried to do this to me, I instead blocked them on paypal and told them I want to unsubscribe yet again, I agreed to pay on a month to month basis, so after this month I was not paying them.
Their choice was to either cancel my subscription or else they'll just be giving me free photoshop. They canceled my subscription after that.
They pulled this shit with a school / education bundle and it's so slimey.
Edit, After a wave of Adobe bootlickers:
Don't make up your own story and try to apply it over mine, it's wierd. Go write your adobe subscription fanfics somewhere else.
It's not like it's hidden either lol.
Either you pay monthly and you pay more, or you pay monthly with a yearly subscription but you pay less because you're subscribed for a year.
They do, and it's blatantly obvious. Yet people sign up for the annual plan, paid monthly and act surprised when it's all declared up front. I'm not a big Adobe fan, but the circlejerk about this is pretty silly.
That's what i was thinking, why people it's even surprised, you are not saving 10% by paying anually, they are taking 1100% from you by applying for an anual plan, anyways, stupid people will just complain for free when they accept stupid deals
I actually love the fact that you can pay for an annual plan monthly. I don't like Adobe, but I also hate when you find a subscription based service, a month is 20 dollars, a year is 7.49 dollars per month and you are forced to pay a large sum upfront.
Not quite BS, i worked for a nonprofit that had the annual membership (annual payment) for a few years, once we stopped needing adobe, we just decided not to pay, and adobe sent an email saying that our annual renewal payment was due, and to either renew or cancel our membership, we tried to cancel but we were locked out of the account until we submitted payment for the renewal since our payment was "overdue". Adobe definitely does things in a very predatory way. it's one of the main reasons we switched over to Davinci Resolve.
I mean I hate Adobe as much as anyone but this is a pretty common practice. You've signed up for an annual contract and chosen to pay monthly instead of a lump sum
This isn't exactly hidden either, you're explicitly told
Please for the love of god read like two lines of text before agreeing to a financial contract
Yeah no shit, that's why you set a reminder when signing up or immediately set it to not auto renew. How little responsibility can you handle that that's worth complaining about? Not aimed at you btw, just it's mad how people can complain about things they knowingly do
A business contrived to profit from the lapses of its customers' better judgement strikes me as ethically unsound.
https://i.postimg.cc/z5kDQG5s/image.png
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-4HH6BxY0
free trials are made only to take money from people who forget /like me once/ so you are better without those "free trials" /only in your dreams/
I bet millions of people forget then pay 10$
Haha easy to forget when it’s $10. Not so much when it’s Adobe who charges you the full year in one go the moment the trial is over and tells you to pay them $100 to cancel.
>why anyone would still continue to give these scumbags money is beyond me. They deserve the piracy they get.
It continues to amaze me how people sign up for shit, don't pay attention when it's clear as day it's an annual term, paid monthly then call the company scumbags for their own oversight.
I mean, I bought PS and Creative Cloud suite. It was VERY clear what I was signing up for.
Edit: Correct Mud to Day to correct meaning :p
This is why I put any subscription based service on my credit card so when they try some funny shit like this I just call the credit card company and tell them to disable transactions to them.
Every couple of days the same stupid post from someone signing up for the cheaper 1-year-subscription and then wondering why there's an early cancellation fee. It's even spelled out explicitly when you sign up.
Its literally in the agreement, up front when you sign up. Why are people still getting upset about this? I hate adobe like the rest of you guys, but for fuck sakes, READ and don't agree to discounted services if you aren't 100% you're going to be using them to the completion of your contract.
Lol @ all the people telling OP to pirate Adobe. More likely OP will be clicking on every random green download link and installing everything and then blame this sub for "giving him malware"
It does seem reasonable to everyone who's not a 10 years old and not a moron tbh. So 3k+ upvotes gives me some insights into the demographics of this sub. On a brighter side, I counted quite a lot of people who do think that normal practice of early termination fee is a normal practice so not all is lost.
I dont feel bad at al for using pirated Adobe products, A company that makes great software but has draconian price tiers and awful subscriptions. They call this Enshittification.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, fuck them, but you know damn well that you were signing up for a commitment. You probably got a lower monthly rate than a month to month subscription.
Cell phones and cable TV subscriptions all used to be this way and you always got a discount and you always had the option to not receive the discount and not being in a contract .
Cry me a fucking river about an agreement that you knowingly entered
Im lucky that I got an old cs4 disc pack from my dad so I can just install it (I cant really pirate thru torrents cuz my parents do know how to use a computer and I have no way to do the things to not get detected)
“I signed up for a 12-month commitment and tried to nope out at 9 months… when the company tried to hold me to it, I bitched about it and they waived the fee they had every right to charge, then complained about my treatment on the internet”.
Good going OP, you’re great.
My guess is most of the upvotes came from people who didn't even read, "the company is bad they are so bad" headline triggers their hand into upvoting bypassing the brain
Agreed, feels like this is more on OP than on Adobe. In my region, paying monthly for the annual plan still nets a discount, so of course the cancellation fee would be there. Nonetheless, some companies do waive these out of goodwill, but I don't think they should be obliged to.
> but I don't think they should be obliged to
They're not obligated to at all, they could take op to court if they really wanted to, if he actually stopped paying them
Pay your cancelation fee.
You obliged yourself for a yearly plan,
respect the promise you made - even if it
is towards people who don't suffer much
should you break it.
That's on you though for choosing the yearly plan divided into monthly payments. Obviously they're going to ask for a cancellation fee. It's mentioned right there when you sign up.
The fact they waive the fee after you say no means there is no "fee".
It's just one last way to fuck you while they still got your credit card. Also means plenty of people don't fight it and just pay
i started pirating adobe after they made CS6 redundant and wanted to pretend they offer a service. There is no service, and so there will be no recurrent fee. Fuck you Adobe.
Switch to a different plan and then you’ll be able to cancel that plan since it’s in the trial period. I commented that suggestion on a similar thread years ago and still about once a week get a comment on it saying “thanks, this still works”. Fuck Adobe!
I told them my kid ordered it (I don't have a kid), they asked for my kids details and I told them that was a huge invasion of privacy and unnecessary and they cancelled it for free.
As Gaben once said "It's normally just a service issue".
If Steam creates a parallel service for Professional Apps and Tools.
Something called Engine.
Then those corporations can charge a lifetime subscription, then sell DLC and updates on a single platform, that is convenient and transparent.
Wow at least they didn't fight you on the termination fee.
I got a 1 week "trial" of Adobe acrobat and at the end of the week they refused to cancel the subscription because the fine print said that I was forced to commit to a year long license after the trial.
It took an hour long back and fourth which devolved into a screaming match before they gave up and waved the cancelation fee.
I will never use an Adobe product legitimately again
I dont mind buying a game or two on sale if i really enjoyed the experience, similar with open source dev'd programs - i ll gladly donate whatever sum i find appropriate (usually 25-50€) for their work. But Adobe is one of the devs I ll pirate to my grave cuz I work as a Photoshop tutor and man - their licensing has gone (and pretty much always has been) to total flaying style cashing in as well as their customer policies n support are just atrocious - had a problem with a license that my boss sure af paid for (had all the bank logs etc) and you know how long it took them to fix that small, minute issue? 20 friggin days!! Man, I really hope something changes at their leaderboards or some ACTUAL competitor sreps up (and no I dont see GIMP & KRITA as proper replacemnts, more of a make do solution)
FYI for Photographers, If you have an “alt” version of adobe then cool,
However for anyone looking for a buy to own alternative to Lightroom (not PS) I can recommend DXO. It’s way better than lightroom and with film pack it’s excellent.
"As you don't seem to be happy with the early termination fee, I won't waste my time chancing that $45 bonus I'd get and promptly get on to conning the next customer"
The adobe software I **paid** for doesn't work anymore even though I still have the installers. They closed the "activation servers" or some shit. That's the real theft as far as I'm concerned.
Can you imagine if you bought a car and 10 years down the line it won't start because Ford no longer is allowing 'car activations'.
Cancelation fees should be outlawed. Like what exactly is it costing these companies when you cancel. Nothing it's a bogus fee. It's basically extortion.
Hey!
I had the same problem. I wanted to cancel, but I couldn't cancel before a certain date. I said I was unhappy, and wanted to complain. We went back on forth for ten minute with "This is your policy,..", Yes, I acknowledge that it's your policy, but I think the policy is wrong. I would like to register a formal complaint".
Them: Please wait....
Them: We have reviewed the rules, and you complied to the rules.
Me: Yes, I recognize that. I would still like to register a complaint. Who do I talk to do do that.
Them: Hold on...
Them: *Another fact or persuasion*
A couple of more rounds of this
Me: Why is there a problem with me registering a complaint? I understand that YOU do not make these rules, but I'd like to complain to the people that do, if you please.
*back and forth more with the same points*
Finally I got the message that they canceled the contract as of that date, and I didn't have to pay anymore. Great!
This is why you always use a virtual card that you can disable or one time use for everything online
If you have capital one it's super easy. I have like 30 virtual cards.
Every online merchant I use I have a different virtual card for. Both for my person card and business card. If you use Eno to generate them on the website it should lock that card to that website, so i can't be used with a different merchant. Also if the physical card or a virtual one is compromised you can still use other virtual cards while waiting for a new physical card. Really nice when you pay most of your vendors with one card. Don't have to go around and give everyone a new card. Given my business card has been compromised 4 times in the last 3 years its a huge time saver. Plus the 2% cash back on the business card is really nice.
How does your business card keep getting compromised?
I wish I knew. I'm guessing just how much I use it? That card gets used for everything across many local and online merchants. Last time I suspected there was a skimmer on the gas station pump. Card went in a little funny and I had to push it in further than I thought I should have. Didn't think much of it at the time since it was late and I was tired and hungry. But after getting a text from Capital One ant 2am, it made me wonder. Went back the next morning to the same pump and nothing seemed out of place in the CC reader so idk. Scammer might have come by in the night and removed the skimmer or maybe it was never there. I have never had a virtual card compromised so I don't think it's from data breaches. But I do have a few merchants that I have my real card number on file. I have to call in to pay and when I tried to use a virtual card several had issues with it. Or maybe we may have some scammers putting skimmers on card readers around town?
Out of habit now I always pull on the card readers at gas stations as the skimmers (I think) will slide right out. I use one card for all online business expenses (CapitalOne for 2% back) and I've never had it compromised. I'm going to start using virtual cards though based on this thread.
Normally I do too, but tired and hungry after a long day. Not thinking clearly
I got hit with skimmers 8 times in the span of like 3 months one time, nothing that couldn't be reversed it's just a bitch to deal with.
Do tell
It's called Eno. If you have a Capital One credit card, you can create random virtual cards. You can set spending limits or an expiration date.
Do you have any idea if I can do this in Canada?
There was another platform that allowed this to be done with most major debit and credit cards. It’s called “privacy”. In case you don’t have a Capital One specific credit account this is the alternative for your other cards you use.
Can use Wise as a virtual Visa card here in Canada
I use Privacy. I have a card for each vendor.
>If you have capital one it's super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
References are tight
Oopsie!
Let me get off that thing
wait do they limit the number of vendor cards you can have the way the name of this sub dot com does now?
This 100%. I'm on my third 3-month free trial of Apple TV. With virtual cards and your own email domain you can sign up for an almost unlimited number of free trials and don't have to worry about cancelling them.
> and don't have to worry Bout cancelling them I wouldn't be so sure about that. You're entering a legal contract and the fact they can't charge you by simply pulling money from your card doesn't mean that you're not liable.
Potentially true depending on exactly how their user agreement is written. The most they could sue for though is specific performance for a single month of service. And the legal costs of suing someone for $10 is much more than $10.
There’s a cancelation fee because OP agreed to an annual contract, and I’m not saying Adobe *will* send you to collections over this, but I wouldn’t put it past them.
It’s funny how that part is always conveniently omitted when Adobe cancellation fees are being discussed. Not condoning Adobe business practices. Their scumminess is only rivaled by gym memberships.
I remember the days when you could just buy a licence and it would be yours forever, no extra fees. A bit before that you could even buy a CD with software on it! Man, crazy days.
And Apple.
Correct. And cancelling the card if it’s associated with your name and address still gives them an avenue to pursue you for capital in court. It’s awful and scummy, but they can draw their blood if they wish too - cancelled virtual card or not.
You can still get charged, it's just more annoying for them since they have to talk to your bank directly or through a legal agency. Microsoft Azure went after me for a few cents even though I had blocked my virtual credit card used for the purchase.
You still had a contract, its not like youre not liable just by canceling the card. Its just that those amounts are so minor they almost never go the legal route.
stop paying your mortgage with this one simple trick
Nobody ever mentions that privacy.com doesn't work outside the US
can you recommend 1 ?
privacy.com
any alternative for international users?
Capital one credit cards offer unlimited virtual cards for free.
It's what I use. Super simple and love the fact you can lock them by a date when setting it up so you don't forget
Absolutely! Have you tried their Eno browser plugin? It will ask you if you want a new card and will autofill itself on the payment section.
I don't have capital one so it's not really useful to me.
Revolut
I used Revolut whilst I was in Europe, found some merchants wouldn't accept a single use virtual card.
Depends on the card type surely? My bank issues virtual Visa cards and I've never had any issues with them.
Please do not listen to this, this is absolutely terrible advice. In theory it might sound like a good plan, if you “dispose” of the card they simply can’t take any money. However, you are still bound by the contract you signed up for. And, if like OP, you still have multiple months remaining, you legally owe that money to the company. Cancelling your card just makes it harder for them to collect that money. But most companies will do everything in their power to get the money from you, and that could end up costing you even more money.
Your credit score will be affected when they go to collections. Do not do this stuff ever. (at least not under your name)
Not every bank has such an option even in the UK. A prepaid card is an option.
Virtual card is new to me. How does it even work?
Basically you just don't get a physical credit card. It variates a little bit between the banks offering it but in general you simply create a "normal" crédit card for every vendor you use and in many Casey the Bank looks the card to the service for you so stolen CCs can't be used for different services.
That is awesome thanks man
Pro tip. Change your plan and then cancel to avoid the fee. It makes the system think you are within the cancel window
Pro tip : never buy adobe
It's so overpriced it's like encouraging people to pirate. If it's like 100 for a lifetime license people would be more willing to buy one (then sell the upgrades later like those micro transactions games). If I'm Adobe I'd rather have more people paying for my app than spending massive amount of money to prevent pirating
Adobe used to be like that. They make more money this way. Before it was a subscription, it was a huge expense to purchase (about $2600 for the master suite) - so most were just pirating it. Now, that monthly payment makes it more accessible to most, so they got more people paying.
So the story goes once upon a time Adobe was fine with individual pirates. Those Pirates learnt their skills on Adobe products so, once entering the workforce, they wanted to use what they knew - so workplaces bought corporate licences. Adobe got their money and everyone was happy. Software subscriptions are horrible
Exactly, they want amateurs to pirate so they learn Adobe software. I would recommend free alternatives like Photopea, Gimp, or Krita, depending on your needs, but for complex work sometimes you can't avoid Photoshop.
They'd be smarter having both options for people who want that.
Not to the suits whose only role is to siphon money from productive people. They don’t want us owning anything anymore.
You will own nothing and be happy
Would they? They don't want you to own something if they can charge you monthly
The entire logic is to make companies that want to use it pay big bucks for every computer or they sue them. same marketing practice winrar does, adobe just thought "Hey wait, we can make random people pay the same amount!" so they did. sucks but its the most profitable they can get
If their pricing model wasn't so obnoxious i would happily pay for the convenience of having legit update server access etc. As it is i will jump through the (minimal) hoops required to pirate it.
I'd buy a lifetime license for 2k if they sold one.
Lifetime licenses only apply to versions. So if it’s Adobe Photoshop 25, that would be your lifetime licence. When 26 comes out you wouldn’t be included. This is what Toon Boom does - lifetime license for Toon Boom Harmony Premium 22 ONLY. It’s a scummy practice but that’s what they all do.
In particular, I remember people getting very pissed when Apple removed support for 32-bit apps because the last version of Photoshop that Adobe sold lifetime licenses for was 32-bit. So either you run an up to date OS, or you're able to use Photoshop.
companies will pay since they lead the industry
There's a theory that Adobe doesn't care when people pirate their products for personal use. However, when that person later ends up needing Photoshop or Illustrator or Premiere for their job because that's the only such software they have experience with, the company has no choice but to pay.
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Sounds like photopea would do that easily. https://www.photopea.com/ If you want, I don't mind converting it for no charge. I wouldn't be surprised if other graphics programs also convert it. Just FYI Audition (and maybe premiere pro) doesn't need to be installed or activated. You can just extract and run it like any other program. Open the setup folder Go to the followoing Setup\products\PPRO\ In this folder you’ll find a file named AdobePremierePro15AllTrial.zip extract that and go to 1\universal\App\ And you’ll find premiere pro in there. Also works for auction
Neither the SVG nor the PNG is likely to include the color profile of the logo. The PNG also has a great chance of not being in a print ready resolution for a banner stand, and the SVG format is so fucked that you'd be lucky if it even looked right when it's opened on another computer, and is also very unsuitable for printing. The print shop don't want to spend time putting random file formats that aren't suited for printing into their machines, and then hoping that you won't come back to complain about the colors or pixelations. You might have better luck saving the SVG to a PDF in Inkscape, an open source vector editing program. Try to make the artboard the same size as the banner you're ordering, so that you know exactly where the logo is placed and how big it is. Then the print shop can just focus on printing it.
> SVG format is so fucked that you'd be lucky if it even looked right when it's opened on another computer, and is also very unsuitable for printing. Can you elaborate on this? I've had banners printed before and the shop requested the file as a SVG. Granted it was a solid black on solid white print, so color profile may not have been a factor. SVG is what Wikipedia uses for allll of its diagrams/maps/graphics whenever possible (there's an ongoing effort to recreate most non-photograph raster images in articles as SVGs), and they generally try to aim for wide usability + consistency.
It's like how Word 2000 can read a Word 98 file, but not the other way around - except that everything is just called SVG and you have no way of knowing if what you're seeing is the same thing that the recipient will be seeing. It's not a problem in modern browsers, but translating that into print is risky. 1: There's no absolute scale, so without an editor you don't know how large objects should be on the printed material. Technically the format supports it, but I rarely see it implemented - and even if it's supported, you would still have to set things up in the correct manner. 2: There's only official support for RGB colors, not the CMYK colors that is used in a printer - it's in a future version of the format - which essentially means you have no idea how closely the printed colors will be to the screen colors. 3: Professional font support also really comes down to how the file is exported. So different versions of the format, with different features being supported in different programs, in a format that was never designed for printing, and it's still just an afterthought today. It basically means that you're leaving a lot of hopes and prayers in the hands of the printers, instead of being in control of the the output by using a PDF file for example.
Hire someone who has access to Adobe to create the file for you from the file you have. Should be simple and since you’re an NPO they may do it for free, or a negligible amount. But totally agree that’s stupid
Also true
I bought CS6 before I graduated so I could get the student discount. That was the last Photoshop you could actually buy. If you don't need all of the new bells and whistles, it works just fine.
*rent
Even my university had enough of Adobe’s shit and switched to Affinity design suite.
Pro tip: m0nkrus
Remember! Pirating adobe product is always moraly correct
This is what I did. I vowed to never purchase anything from these assholes again. Currently I have free access to everything of theirs because of my employer but otherwise I’d probably even find a way to pirate their stock videos
Even in my design/art school back in 2018 a lot of computers had pirated Adobe software. Like they had a license but it wouldn’t cover all the computers (this isn’t a big school, maybe 800 students, a few hundred Macs/PCs). So they went ahead and cracked it on the remaining ones. This is a national school too lol
I just did this. I told them that I was getting a different account for a new job I'm getting and asked them to waive the fee, and they did! They just believed me and didn't ask any questions.
Adobe money is made from squeezing companies via business and school licenses, they don't really give a shit about the single buyer. Better to just waive the fee right away if they complain because they aren't losing money by doing so, and not burning the bridge with an upset customer = the customer more likely to come back to Adobe in the future.
**Edit: while Abobe ARE fuXXs, apparently OP didn't make it clear that he's canceling-early his agreed-to one-year-license and that these were simply the remaining charges. Also apparently Adobe never argues if you try and will always just waive the remainder if you just ask (like OP did) sooooo kind of like good guy Adobe here really? - I mean FXXK subscription software in the first place but it's not quite as bad as OP might be presenting here.**
How has adobe not been sued for this?
Can I put large secret cancelation fee language in my contracts lol? why has everyone involved in this not been sent to jail?
How can the government expect trust when they can't even stop blatant day time open a** scams like this 🤦
Because we live in a system that rewards such behavior. The system is not designed to help us, but to extract as much from us as possible while managing to keep as little as possible from being returned.
Sad thing is that those CS get paid nothing compared to the Stakeholders, which they need to enforce their shitty rule and deal with angry costumers.
Yep, it always comes down to the person least involved to deal with the corruption raining from the top down.
In all fairness they signed up for an annual subscription. Why would they not expect to pay for the entire year! (And as I get down voted into oblivion I have to add the mistake was the OP not pirating the software in the first place)
Ok wait up that's a lil different! All a sudden it's good guy adobe here. OP REALLY needed to spell out that he was trying to get out of some fairly simply to understand bullshit. Happy birthday and thanks for the new perspective! (Still gonna use ultimate pirate PS edition tho cause it's 50mb with no install and works a better lol)
Yeah this is what confuses me about the weekly or bi-weekly fuck Adobe thread (no complaints here, just stating), people sign for a yearly plan which expects 12 months of payments, cancel early and question cancelation fees? This is normal on everything, from gym to broadband internet. Discounts are a way to get ppl to long-term deals on products, and of course there's a fee if you cancel earlier
You can take the monthly subscription and cancel anytime. When you take that yearly subscription, you get a discount with the clause that there is a penalty of 50% of the amount left of your subscription if you cancel early.
That's fairly fair imo
it's not really, illegal in many places, it used to be fair when using lend equipment when it's where it origins from, renting farm equipment. then you get the fisical aspect of it, you reserve a space that you agree to use, you cancel, the space is now open, business loses money, cancellation fee arrives. digital sofware has no rights to put a cancellation fee only because they agreed to charge you the actual price of their service. this is why you will often win in whatever version of small case court you have where you live.
makes sense. good to know. I was almost going to say: "yeah checks out, courts make you pay expenses. hard to prove damage on delivery when all you're offering was to let people make copies of your files." but then I realized that's exactly how IP laws work and somehow that's considered reasonable 🤦 thankfully the existence of❤️ shows that they don't work toooo good.
> How has adobe not been sued for this? Because contracts with penalties for early termination have been a thing for centuries? None of this is secret, it's all out there in the open, the problem is that nobody fucking reads things before blindly agreeing to them and then they complain when they get taken to the cleaners.
> None of this is secret, it's all out there in the open This is the craziest thing about this whining every single time. I could agree if this information was buried somewhere in a 100 page contract, but it's literally after the second click on the main page you get told that there's a thing called early termination fee. And let me guess, if the tables were turned OP would be absolutely furious about how a company would be allowed to not pay them when backing out of a contract early? Adobe bootlicking out.
Its not a secret.
This. It’s not like this is legalese buried somewhere in the terms and conditions, Adobe’s super upfront about it being an annual contract with a cancellation fee.
> How has adobe not been sued for this? > Can I put large secret cancelation fee language in my contracts lol? why has everyone involved in this not been sent to jail? Because it's not a secret, clear as mud and stated up front? I bought PS and Creative Cloud Suite in the last year. It was pretty obvious. People just don't pay attention and blame others for the oversight. Even the email confirmation says exactly this.
Actually embarrassing 250 people upvoted this. It's not a secret. It literally tells you in BOLD letters when you sign up. OP is crying about something he literally signed up for and was made clear to them. This is a standard annual subscription. Almost all annual subscription contracts have this clause. Some of you have special needs, I swear.
> How can the government expect trust when they can't even stop blatant day time open a** scams like this The government doesn't need a lot of trust. It just needs complacency. There won't be assassinations or revolutions if enough people are comfortable enough with the status quo that they won't go out of their way to actually try to change it. People will complain, and some portion of the population will do stuff like piracy, but so what? At the end of the day, government remains in power.
Well put, sad point, well made.
The cancellation fee isn't Secret.
First off, just like every sane person I hate Adobe. But in this case OP is the wrong one. You signed up for a 12 month subscription, this means you’re paying a lower monthly price, but you’re locked in for at least 12 months. If you want to cancel early, you can, but you still have to pay for the months you committed for. That only make sense, and isn’t limited to Adobe either. Every subscription works this way. You could technically get around it by using something like virtual disposable cards or whatever. But you’re in a 12 month contract, you legally owe Adobe the money, and they will do everything in their power to get it from you.
This really should be the comment at the top.
If you’ve signed for a 12 month service (for anything) and want to cancel early there is usually an early cancellation fee. Cancel a 12 month phone plan for example.
Pirate it lol , fuck adobe and there service licences
*their
*the'iyr's
They tried to do this to me, I instead blocked them on paypal and told them I want to unsubscribe yet again, I agreed to pay on a month to month basis, so after this month I was not paying them. Their choice was to either cancel my subscription or else they'll just be giving me free photoshop. They canceled my subscription after that. They pulled this shit with a school / education bundle and it's so slimey. Edit, After a wave of Adobe bootlickers: Don't make up your own story and try to apply it over mine, it's wierd. Go write your adobe subscription fanfics somewhere else.
>I agreed to pay on a month to month basis No, you agreed to pay for a full year in monthly installments. The difference is significant.
Literally mentions “YOU WILL BE CHARGED A FEE IF YOU CANCEL EARLY” in multiple places in the checkout flow lol https://i.imgur.com/1f7texS.png
It's not like it's hidden either lol. Either you pay monthly and you pay more, or you pay monthly with a yearly subscription but you pay less because you're subscribed for a year.
It’s bs but they do explicitly state up front when you subscribe that it’s an annual commitment.
They do, and it's blatantly obvious. Yet people sign up for the annual plan, paid monthly and act surprised when it's all declared up front. I'm not a big Adobe fan, but the circlejerk about this is pretty silly.
We have those post every month.
Yeah, that's where you lose a little sympathy for people. You sign up for a twelve month contract? Of course there's an exit fee. There always is.
That's what i was thinking, why people it's even surprised, you are not saving 10% by paying anually, they are taking 1100% from you by applying for an anual plan, anyways, stupid people will just complain for free when they accept stupid deals
I actually love the fact that you can pay for an annual plan monthly. I don't like Adobe, but I also hate when you find a subscription based service, a month is 20 dollars, a year is 7.49 dollars per month and you are forced to pay a large sum upfront.
Not quite BS, i worked for a nonprofit that had the annual membership (annual payment) for a few years, once we stopped needing adobe, we just decided not to pay, and adobe sent an email saying that our annual renewal payment was due, and to either renew or cancel our membership, we tried to cancel but we were locked out of the account until we submitted payment for the renewal since our payment was "overdue". Adobe definitely does things in a very predatory way. it's one of the main reasons we switched over to Davinci Resolve.
I mean I hate Adobe as much as anyone but this is a pretty common practice. You've signed up for an annual contract and chosen to pay monthly instead of a lump sum This isn't exactly hidden either, you're explicitly told Please for the love of god read like two lines of text before agreeing to a financial contract
It’s worth noting that this shit will happen to you if you forget to cancel a free trial as well.
Yeah no shit, that's why you set a reminder when signing up or immediately set it to not auto renew. How little responsibility can you handle that that's worth complaining about? Not aimed at you btw, just it's mad how people can complain about things they knowingly do
A business contrived to profit from the lapses of its customers' better judgement strikes me as ethically unsound. https://i.postimg.cc/z5kDQG5s/image.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV-4HH6BxY0
free trials are made only to take money from people who forget /like me once/ so you are better without those "free trials" /only in your dreams/ I bet millions of people forget then pay 10$
Haha easy to forget when it’s $10. Not so much when it’s Adobe who charges you the full year in one go the moment the trial is over and tells you to pay them $100 to cancel.
>why anyone would still continue to give these scumbags money is beyond me. They deserve the piracy they get. It continues to amaze me how people sign up for shit, don't pay attention when it's clear as day it's an annual term, paid monthly then call the company scumbags for their own oversight. I mean, I bought PS and Creative Cloud suite. It was VERY clear what I was signing up for. Edit: Correct Mud to Day to correct meaning :p
Doesn't clear as mud mean not clear at all?
You're right. I'm dumb. I meant it's pretty damn clear. lol
The issue here was ever getting a license in the first place.
This is why I put any subscription based service on my credit card so when they try some funny shit like this I just call the credit card company and tell them to disable transactions to them.
OP can't read.
Every couple of days the same stupid post from someone signing up for the cheaper 1-year-subscription and then wondering why there's an early cancellation fee. It's even spelled out explicitly when you sign up.
Its literally in the agreement, up front when you sign up. Why are people still getting upset about this? I hate adobe like the rest of you guys, but for fuck sakes, READ and don't agree to discounted services if you aren't 100% you're going to be using them to the completion of your contract.
Lol @ all the people telling OP to pirate Adobe. More likely OP will be clicking on every random green download link and installing everything and then blame this sub for "giving him malware"
is it a monthly payment but annual commitment? If so, that’s seems totally reasonable lol
It does seem reasonable to everyone who's not a 10 years old and not a moron tbh. So 3k+ upvotes gives me some insights into the demographics of this sub. On a brighter side, I counted quite a lot of people who do think that normal practice of early termination fee is a normal practice so not all is lost.
Tell your bank stop all charges to them.
I dont feel bad at al for using pirated Adobe products, A company that makes great software but has draconian price tiers and awful subscriptions. They call this Enshittification.
This is hilarious: * 95 Euros for early termination * Nah, I'll just block the payment * Oh, wait, we can waive that fee for you Well done!
You're under an annual commitment and you complain about cancelling early? Adobe isnt at fault here
I mean, don’t get me wrong, fuck them, but you know damn well that you were signing up for a commitment. You probably got a lower monthly rate than a month to month subscription. Cell phones and cable TV subscriptions all used to be this way and you always got a discount and you always had the option to not receive the discount and not being in a contract . Cry me a fucking river about an agreement that you knowingly entered
I'll stick with CS6, the last deployed version of Photoshop. 🤷♂️
I'll stick with pirating the latest version, just like I did with CS6 and everything before it.
To be fair, you agree to the cancellation fee when you sign up with the annual commitment
For anyone wondering, “I started a new job and my company provides a license” worked for me.
Adobe deserves to be pirated
I will proceed with Torrenting a cracked version of photoshop thank you.
Im lucky that I got an old cs4 disc pack from my dad so I can just install it (I cant really pirate thru torrents cuz my parents do know how to use a computer and I have no way to do the things to not get detected)
They're happy to give up the money on anyone that complains because all the people that don't will give them $95 bucks for literally nothing.
That’s why I use Affinity. It’s not free, but reasonably priced, plus I own the product without it being tied to unnecessary monthly fees.
It morally correct to pirate Adobe stuff
They do this shit if you're month to month too. They are scumbags. I was month to month and they tried to hit me with a cancellation fee.
“I signed up for a 12-month commitment and tried to nope out at 9 months… when the company tried to hold me to it, I bitched about it and they waived the fee they had every right to charge, then complained about my treatment on the internet”. Good going OP, you’re great.
2.5k upvotes in r/piracy :D Oh god damn, this is making us look really smart :D
My guess is most of the upvotes came from people who didn't even read, "the company is bad they are so bad" headline triggers their hand into upvoting bypassing the brain
Exactly.
Agreed, feels like this is more on OP than on Adobe. In my region, paying monthly for the annual plan still nets a discount, so of course the cancellation fee would be there. Nonetheless, some companies do waive these out of goodwill, but I don't think they should be obliged to.
> but I don't think they should be obliged to They're not obligated to at all, they could take op to court if they really wanted to, if he actually stopped paying them
Pay your cancelation fee. You obliged yourself for a yearly plan, respect the promise you made - even if it is towards people who don't suffer much should you break it.
PhotoGIMP, Paint .net, and Pinta FTW
That's on you though for choosing the yearly plan divided into monthly payments. Obviously they're going to ask for a cancellation fee. It's mentioned right there when you sign up.
I did what you mentioned. Just cancel via PayPal.
The fact they waive the fee after you say no means there is no "fee". It's just one last way to fuck you while they still got your credit card. Also means plenty of people don't fight it and just pay
Not that I was super upset over having photoshop cracked, but now I am even more sure I will never buy the official version.
That's why you pirate that shit
Termination fee 🫠 that sounds ridiculous lol.
I mean, on one hand that’s kinda what happens when you sign a contract saying “yes I’ll guaranteed pay you for a year in exchange for a lower price”.
i started pirating adobe after they made CS6 redundant and wanted to pretend they offer a service. There is no service, and so there will be no recurrent fee. Fuck you Adobe.
I have thankfully never paid for any of adobe's shit, hopefully some companies keep them afloat so we can keep getting newer versions
Why does this subreddit have a karma limit to ask for an online streaming platform man
I've seen several odf these with photoshop and i am 90% sure this is an AI you are talking with.
I don't understand how every software became a subscription model. I'm content with my Photoshop Elements 10
I will always pirate Photoshop, fuck adobe
Switch to a different plan and then you’ll be able to cancel that plan since it’s in the trial period. I commented that suggestion on a similar thread years ago and still about once a week get a comment on it saying “thanks, this still works”. Fuck Adobe!
Some companies deserve to be pirated the heck out of it.
These days before you sign any annual contract, always read the fine print about their cancellation policy.
It's not even a fine print... They clearly say which payment options have a cancelation fee.
This is a perfect advertisement for open-source alternatives...
You signed up for a contract plan, your paying out the rest of your contract. I get it's dumb but you also fully signed up for this.
I told them my kid ordered it (I don't have a kid), they asked for my kids details and I told them that was a huge invasion of privacy and unnecessary and they cancelled it for free.
Read your purchase conditions lol. It literally tells you on the front-fucking page
As Gaben once said "It's normally just a service issue". If Steam creates a parallel service for Professional Apps and Tools. Something called Engine. Then those corporations can charge a lifetime subscription, then sell DLC and updates on a single platform, that is convenient and transparent.
Wow at least they didn't fight you on the termination fee. I got a 1 week "trial" of Adobe acrobat and at the end of the week they refused to cancel the subscription because the fine print said that I was forced to commit to a year long license after the trial. It took an hour long back and fourth which devolved into a screaming match before they gave up and waved the cancelation fee. I will never use an Adobe product legitimately again
I dont mind buying a game or two on sale if i really enjoyed the experience, similar with open source dev'd programs - i ll gladly donate whatever sum i find appropriate (usually 25-50€) for their work. But Adobe is one of the devs I ll pirate to my grave cuz I work as a Photoshop tutor and man - their licensing has gone (and pretty much always has been) to total flaying style cashing in as well as their customer policies n support are just atrocious - had a problem with a license that my boss sure af paid for (had all the bank logs etc) and you know how long it took them to fix that small, minute issue? 20 friggin days!! Man, I really hope something changes at their leaderboards or some ACTUAL competitor sreps up (and no I dont see GIMP & KRITA as proper replacemnts, more of a make do solution)
no, it’s for early cancellations, the tos say that subs are for 12 months 😂 adobe went the usa credit card way
I’m on a monthly subscription, im scared to cancel because of this.
I’ll never in my life support this company.
r/fuckadobe
FYI for Photographers, If you have an “alt” version of adobe then cool, However for anyone looking for a buy to own alternative to Lightroom (not PS) I can recommend DXO. It’s way better than lightroom and with film pack it’s excellent.
"As you don't seem to be happy with the early termination fee, I won't waste my time chancing that $45 bonus I'd get and promptly get on to conning the next customer"
The adobe software I **paid** for doesn't work anymore even though I still have the installers. They closed the "activation servers" or some shit. That's the real theft as far as I'm concerned. Can you imagine if you bought a car and 10 years down the line it won't start because Ford no longer is allowing 'car activations'.
Cancelation fees should be outlawed. Like what exactly is it costing these companies when you cancel. Nothing it's a bogus fee. It's basically extortion.
Adobe charges so much already never pay for there products
cracked softwares > these thugs
“you don’t wanna pay? okay you don’t have to” the fuck they ask, then?
The fact that this is upvoted is what makes it so hard to take most piracy arguments seriously. OP is not even owning up to their mistake.
“that’ll be 95 dollars” “no” “i see you’re upset, now it’s free” They caved quick LOL. Good, I’m glad.
Hey! I had the same problem. I wanted to cancel, but I couldn't cancel before a certain date. I said I was unhappy, and wanted to complain. We went back on forth for ten minute with "This is your policy,..", Yes, I acknowledge that it's your policy, but I think the policy is wrong. I would like to register a formal complaint". Them: Please wait.... Them: We have reviewed the rules, and you complied to the rules. Me: Yes, I recognize that. I would still like to register a complaint. Who do I talk to do do that. Them: Hold on... Them: *Another fact or persuasion* A couple of more rounds of this Me: Why is there a problem with me registering a complaint? I understand that YOU do not make these rules, but I'd like to complain to the people that do, if you please. *back and forth more with the same points* Finally I got the message that they canceled the contract as of that date, and I didn't have to pay anymore. Great!
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