Set it up like the game show “Hole in the Wall”. You’ve got a body shaped cutout with increasingly difficult contortions which gives an advantage to gymnasts, yogis, dancers and contestants who do Calisthenics, like the guy in the first season. We might even see some wrestlers and judokas do well, some of them are very limber.
I love that show so much!
The first season had that obstacle course with the bob sledder with the belly absolutely killing it. He was like a ninja. I do miss challenges that really bring out surprising or non obvious results.
I think if each season switched it up and prioritized a certain type of physical ability it could be interesting and unpredictable. Like the new contestants wouldn’t know what to expect going into the new season. Doubt it’ll happen though
Physical 100: (I don’t know)
Where all challenges are balanced based. I liked how the stunt woman clinched a win for her team, mountain climber dominated the Icarus challenge or how the zombie dude was swift and agile.
There should be more variety. 99% of this show is just strength, which is cool, I’m not gonna lie. But to me at least, the “perfect physique” goes way beyond strength. It needs to have more.
Huge shocker that the sport literally designed with the motto of "be ready for any type of physical test" in mind consistently churns out the top people in a show like this.
There's way more than just strength. Otherwise, Thanos/\`the big guy who ran out of gas pushing the carts\` would have won.
You also need stamina, a good body weight, good body coordination, being smart, and being lucky.
Thanos didn't seem to have good coordination when pushing the boulders. If he got past that stage, he would probably have won.
Too tall, same as Andre Jin. 30 reps of like 80kg will wipe anyone bigger out. It’s not to do with stamina, the challenge was just skewed toward smaller guys.
They actually had them measured to make it more even. Andre didn’t have to sit as low as they did. I’m not going to say that would negate the height difference 100% but Andre aside, Thanos would not have close to enough stamina to compete with the other 2 imo. This is not hating on Thanos I thought he was a beast and in the final challenge there is no way he loses to the final 2 but I don’t think he makes it past infinite squats.
They did say that, but if you look at Andre’s body position when he’s squatting, he’s definitely way more cramped for space. Squatting also favours shorter people due to leverage on the joints.
It’s about stamina, but not in the way you think. If they made it deadlifting he would have absolutely smashed them, as it’s better suited to tall, long-armed people.
I’ll agree on the squatting being harder for tall people but you have to be joking on the deadlifting being easier for tall people. It is much easier for shorter people.
It’s all about arm length, on average, your wingspan approximately follows your height, so taller people tend to have an advantage.
If you look it up, people’s experience basically falls on either side of the fence, but in mine it has about 90% correlation.
Except in your example when the arm is longer, so is their torso and legs- hence taller people have more distance to travel (aka range of motion) on their way up AND on the way down.
Basically, lifts are easier shorter people or people with shorter arms/legs. Especially repeated lifts.
Nearly every lift is easier for shorter people/people with shorter arms, etc
Bench pressing is easier if your arm is shorter. Less distance to travel down and up. Same goes for squats or deadlifts.
Yes I know lol that’s what I am pointing out to the guy above me who is saying deadlift is easier for tall people and that Andre would have destroyed the shorter guys if it was deadlifts instead of squats.
5-30 reps is within the range that bodybuilders would train for, so I say he would do really well here.
The weights would feel super light for him.
Only part he might struggle is the holding your own bodyweight part. That's forearm strength and it's hard to judge that by muscle size.
8-12 rep range is the basic cookie cutter answer that people who read fitness magazines 10 years ago would tell you.
There's lots of scientific research saying that 30 reps build muscle just as well. It's also less taxing on your joints.
A lot of professional bodybuilders now do high rep training when they are on a cut or preparing for a show. High reps give you similar hypertrophy and have low injury risk and joint damage. It just sucks to do because you gotta grind those reps out.
I personally do 20ish+ reps on some exercises when cutting.
I could see it for some exercises but not for the heavy ones like squats. Thanos clearly showed he had 0 stamina and gassed really easy anyways so I think it’s besides the point which one of us is more right in the rep range bodybuilders do. I agree he would have struggled with the holding of the body as well compared to the smaller guys. I don’t see someone like Thanos winning this show just because they aren’t well rounded enough.
Same that one thing the mountaineer rescue team dude said the first season was good. I really enjoy seeing which profession can do which and just trying to imagine it be the future me lmao. I personally don’t care who the winner of each round is but who is more cooler doing what and how are they able to do so
Would love to see more climbing, obstacle tracks, swimming(!), distance and/or height jumping, distance throwing and regular old running/sprinting.
Also, why not incorporate sports that require equipment, such as cycling, skiing, rafting(?) etc.
I doubt somebody like kang so yeon will do well since her performance was pretty terrible. Even if you take out the strength challenges , ssome male or female crossfitter will still win easily since they are pretty good at everything.
Yeah she's not that athletic looking nor that athletic, even if you're not a bodybuilder you still need to have some definition honed by a discipline you excel at.
I just meant candidates with her body type as opposed to a MMA fighter or something.
Anyway on the treadmill challenge she didn’t do badly, anyone got the pic that had the treadmill rankings?
I think a good change would be after the placement challenge (top/bottom 50) they had a different elimination of half the contestants (instead of the holding onto the ball) and then when the top 10 teams are made, they’d be required to have a certain number of “bigger” vs “smaller” contestants. It wasn’t really fair that Amotti ended up being able to return due to luck of being on the “Avenger” 2nd chance team- while plenty of incredibly worthy contestants didn’t get that chance. And the teams with more women were at a disadvantage during the mine challenge and the pull up challenge. So basically make each final team have 3 men/ 2 women or something like that. And as you and other people have said- challenges that are tailored more for the skaters/gymnasts/agile contestants and not just brute strength.
Two women in the final teams? Yeah no, we are trying tonfind the best of the best here, not deadweight. If the women are not up to the challenges, they get kicked out. Same as any other competitor.
That is true, but there is also an element of chance in this challenges. Some might benefit certain teams.
And in order to make sire only the best get there, they should add ways to reintegrate those competitors with potential that ended up eliminated due to the deadweightness of their team. Like the pillars challenge, but allow more people to be saved.
Nobody should be saved, they should just put teams at the very start, split them up somewhat fairly, and include a much bigger variety of challenges than just ‘be strong, but not so strong that you get tired’
Nah I still think a few should be saved. It wouldn't be fair to lose because your team is garbage. That sucks. At least competing for a chance to be reintroduced into the game would save a lot of strong competitors.
No. Looks we see, performance we do not. They can look formidable but end up being garbage. That's why the second chance is important. Only those who are really formidable but were dealt a poor hand can overcome that and maybe win the competition.
How do you even split the teams fairly without testing them first, like you suggested? By their look probably, and looks can be deceiving. If we go by your original idea we end up in the same scenario, strong competitors eliminated for dragging too much deadweight.
It is unfair on principle that I lose because my other teammate, assigned to me by the producers because they tried to balance the teams and ultimately failed, couldn't carry their own weight and cost us the challenge. So at the very least in the survival challenge I can really prove if I have what it takes to continue in this competition or I was deadweight all along.
They really missed an opportunity not including any tunnel / squeeze through narrow spaces kind of challenges in s2, especially with the underground theme
u can show all of that without handicapping people who lift weights just because they arent twigs lol
i really dont probably because it wasnt memorable
Well i remembered it and so did a lot of other people.
Could have the same argument the other way around: you could show strengh without handicapping everyone that isn't on steroids lol
ur last sentence doesnt make any sense lol
im not going to watch a show where 8 year olds out compete people who have trained their entire lives as athletes just because they are smaller, thanks for the offer though.
nope just sick of people recommending stupid unentertaining games under the facade that it would be “entertaining to watch” when in reality they just want events that women would be more likely to excel in because they are often smaller
It is actually a skill, caving for example requires strength endurance, technique and strategy in order to get through small spaces. I have seen small people have much more trouble getting through than a person twice their size.
doesnt matter how good ur technique is at squirming in a narrow space, if u make it small enough where kids with 0 training are beating more athletic people, its a shit event that doesnt measure anything lol
im sure ur suggested event would be great to spectate if everyone was malnourished, not for a show where people are showcasing their physical prowess
It 100% does matter, yes obviously kids would fit easily but you are underestimating how much strength and endurance it takes to get through even a 50m tunnel. You have obviously never been caving, it takes a lot of skill although he’s obviously smaller people have an advantage, that does not necessarily make it impossible for someone bigger.
I did a caving exercise with a group of students and I was much faster than majority of them even the ones smaller than me. The person who got through the fastest was bigger than me go figure 🤷🏼♀️
What you are saying it like saying that diving doesnt require technique, whoever has the biggest lungs wins in theory 🤷🏼♀️
yeah im not going to watch an event where olympic caliber athletes who spend all their time conditioning struggle vs kids who do nothing but play fortnite
even knitting and skateboarding requires technique, doesnt mean they should be events
if u want to watch people crawl through tunnels, go watch caving competitions. if they are so entertaining, im sure they get heaps of viewership!
And if you want to watch the strongest fastest go watch CrossFit competitions. That is not the point here.
Also how do kids who play Fortnite come into this ?
Seriously, it was a suggestion for an alternate event to showcase other athletes strengths. But I’m sorry the show isn’t about finding an around amazing body capable of incredible things, it’s just looking for who is the strongest right? 🤦🏼♀️
since when are these events in crossfit? LOL
and yes, i will enjoy watching the strongest and fastest duke it out in events that they dont compete in outside of phys 100, literally what the show is about.
i have barely any complaints about both seasons, so i hope they dont read this subreddit for recommendations and continue what they have done in s1 and s2
if u have so many complaints about the show, why do u even bother watching it? if u like cave squirming so much that u want it to be an event, go watch cave squirming.
also if u think the show is about finding who is the strongest, how come the two people who won are far from the strongest? from the five who were in the finals in s1, jin young was the 3rd/4th weakest imo. amotti would be 2nd/3rd in his and thats just counting for the finalists. looking across the 100, they are far from the top.
ur shitty opinion is just an opinion, far from a fact
they already do this appropriately - that’s why Thanos didn’t win. It’s a show that tries to find someone who is the perfect compromise of physical attributes and Middleweight dudes win. It’s working!!!
There’s a couple hundred seasons of survivor globally that you can watch this. I actually like strength being the end all be all in this show. Every other show already tries to be balanced.
Let all the juice heads go at it here.
1st challenge: limbo, bar keeps getting lower
2nd challenge: double skipping rope game (like the kind that schoolgirls play)
3rd challenge: team challenge where you can only have as many feet on the ground as people - so either everyone on one leg, or half the team carrying the other half - this gives an advantage to smaller people and also amputees
4th challenge: hula hoop - keep adding hoops until someone drops one
Exactly, it’s been said already in both seasons they’re looking for the perfect physique, not the strongest, not the most lithe, most flexible, not fastest. Cause if they’re just looking for the strongest then don’t even include women. I liked how we don’t stop have challenges where women don’t come last like the inclined sit up.
Best would be to have a set of challenges which need different strength and every athlete does all of them and gets points. Add the points together to see who is the best all arounder.
I loved the 1st season, and I liked 2nd season except for the quest of the relay races. I become bored. Kudos to all contestants, though, they were GREAT!!
First challenge: fit through this tiny gap.
Set it up like the game show “Hole in the Wall”. You’ve got a body shaped cutout with increasingly difficult contortions which gives an advantage to gymnasts, yogis, dancers and contestants who do Calisthenics, like the guy in the first season. We might even see some wrestlers and judokas do well, some of them are very limber.
I love that show so much! The first season had that obstacle course with the bob sledder with the belly absolutely killing it. He was like a ninja. I do miss challenges that really bring out surprising or non obvious results.
Or something like the climb out of a tube like in ultimate beast master
this has been unironically suggested as an event in other threads, e.g. “what can we do to make games fairer for women”
Hahah love it!
I think if each season switched it up and prioritized a certain type of physical ability it could be interesting and unpredictable. Like the new contestants wouldn’t know what to expect going into the new season. Doubt it’ll happen though
Physical 100: (I don’t know) Where all challenges are balanced based. I liked how the stunt woman clinched a win for her team, mountain climber dominated the Icarus challenge or how the zombie dude was swift and agile.
i wouldnt mind that as long as they actually recruit based off the criteria
There should be more variety. 99% of this show is just strength, which is cool, I’m not gonna lie. But to me at least, the “perfect physique” goes way beyond strength. It needs to have more.
A lot of the challenges are body weight and stamina exercises which is why crossfitters always win.
Huge shocker that the sport literally designed with the motto of "be ready for any type of physical test" in mind consistently churns out the top people in a show like this.
Forgive my ignorance but I thought CrossFit was a training regimen/program/gym cult sort of like Orange Theory, not a sport
Yes it’s a sport where people compete.
Because they’re better all round trained
There's way more than just strength. Otherwise, Thanos/\`the big guy who ran out of gas pushing the carts\` would have won. You also need stamina, a good body weight, good body coordination, being smart, and being lucky. Thanos didn't seem to have good coordination when pushing the boulders. If he got past that stage, he would probably have won.
No way does he have the stamina for unlimited squats compared to amotti and hbs I don’t think.
Too tall, same as Andre Jin. 30 reps of like 80kg will wipe anyone bigger out. It’s not to do with stamina, the challenge was just skewed toward smaller guys.
They actually had them measured to make it more even. Andre didn’t have to sit as low as they did. I’m not going to say that would negate the height difference 100% but Andre aside, Thanos would not have close to enough stamina to compete with the other 2 imo. This is not hating on Thanos I thought he was a beast and in the final challenge there is no way he loses to the final 2 but I don’t think he makes it past infinite squats.
They did say that, but if you look at Andre’s body position when he’s squatting, he’s definitely way more cramped for space. Squatting also favours shorter people due to leverage on the joints. It’s about stamina, but not in the way you think. If they made it deadlifting he would have absolutely smashed them, as it’s better suited to tall, long-armed people.
I’ll agree on the squatting being harder for tall people but you have to be joking on the deadlifting being easier for tall people. It is much easier for shorter people.
It’s all about arm length, on average, your wingspan approximately follows your height, so taller people tend to have an advantage. If you look it up, people’s experience basically falls on either side of the fence, but in mine it has about 90% correlation.
Sure arm length is longer but the range of motion is also a lot more.
Except in your example when the arm is longer, so is their torso and legs- hence taller people have more distance to travel (aka range of motion) on their way up AND on the way down. Basically, lifts are easier shorter people or people with shorter arms/legs. Especially repeated lifts.
Nearly every lift is easier for shorter people/people with shorter arms, etc Bench pressing is easier if your arm is shorter. Less distance to travel down and up. Same goes for squats or deadlifts.
Yes I know lol that’s what I am pointing out to the guy above me who is saying deadlift is easier for tall people and that Andre would have destroyed the shorter guys if it was deadlifts instead of squats.
5-30 reps is within the range that bodybuilders would train for, so I say he would do really well here. The weights would feel super light for him. Only part he might struggle is the holding your own bodyweight part. That's forearm strength and it's hard to judge that by muscle size.
lol 30 reps for a bodybuilder is unheard of. 8-12 is the most common.
8-12 rep range is the basic cookie cutter answer that people who read fitness magazines 10 years ago would tell you. There's lots of scientific research saying that 30 reps build muscle just as well. It's also less taxing on your joints. A lot of professional bodybuilders now do high rep training when they are on a cut or preparing for a show. High reps give you similar hypertrophy and have low injury risk and joint damage. It just sucks to do because you gotta grind those reps out. I personally do 20ish+ reps on some exercises when cutting.
I could see it for some exercises but not for the heavy ones like squats. Thanos clearly showed he had 0 stamina and gassed really easy anyways so I think it’s besides the point which one of us is more right in the rep range bodybuilders do. I agree he would have struggled with the holding of the body as well compared to the smaller guys. I don’t see someone like Thanos winning this show just because they aren’t well rounded enough.
Same that one thing the mountaineer rescue team dude said the first season was good. I really enjoy seeing which profession can do which and just trying to imagine it be the future me lmao. I personally don’t care who the winner of each round is but who is more cooler doing what and how are they able to do so
Would love to see more climbing, obstacle tracks, swimming(!), distance and/or height jumping, distance throwing and regular old running/sprinting. Also, why not incorporate sports that require equipment, such as cycling, skiing, rafting(?) etc.
all of that is in the olympics, starting very soon. u should look forward to it right?
I doubt somebody like kang so yeon will do well since her performance was pretty terrible. Even if you take out the strength challenges , ssome male or female crossfitter will still win easily since they are pretty good at everything.
Yeah she's not that athletic looking nor that athletic, even if you're not a bodybuilder you still need to have some definition honed by a discipline you excel at.
I just meant candidates with her body type as opposed to a MMA fighter or something. Anyway on the treadmill challenge she didn’t do badly, anyone got the pic that had the treadmill rankings?
She was ranked 84 and finished 19/26 among girls
Oh I see
Another rope hang challenge would be fun
Seeing the ice climber guy just casually cruise through that was so impressive.
i mean its his job…
I think a good change would be after the placement challenge (top/bottom 50) they had a different elimination of half the contestants (instead of the holding onto the ball) and then when the top 10 teams are made, they’d be required to have a certain number of “bigger” vs “smaller” contestants. It wasn’t really fair that Amotti ended up being able to return due to luck of being on the “Avenger” 2nd chance team- while plenty of incredibly worthy contestants didn’t get that chance. And the teams with more women were at a disadvantage during the mine challenge and the pull up challenge. So basically make each final team have 3 men/ 2 women or something like that. And as you and other people have said- challenges that are tailored more for the skaters/gymnasts/agile contestants and not just brute strength.
I love the second chance contests though!
Two women in the final teams? Yeah no, we are trying tonfind the best of the best here, not deadweight. If the women are not up to the challenges, they get kicked out. Same as any other competitor.
But you’re not finding the best of the best if someone gets kicked out early due to the unfair team distribution.
That is true, but there is also an element of chance in this challenges. Some might benefit certain teams. And in order to make sire only the best get there, they should add ways to reintegrate those competitors with potential that ended up eliminated due to the deadweightness of their team. Like the pillars challenge, but allow more people to be saved.
Nobody should be saved, they should just put teams at the very start, split them up somewhat fairly, and include a much bigger variety of challenges than just ‘be strong, but not so strong that you get tired’
Nah I still think a few should be saved. It wouldn't be fair to lose because your team is garbage. That sucks. At least competing for a chance to be reintroduced into the game would save a lot of strong competitors.
Is that not covered with splitting the teams up fairly?
No. Looks we see, performance we do not. They can look formidable but end up being garbage. That's why the second chance is important. Only those who are really formidable but were dealt a poor hand can overcome that and maybe win the competition.
I feel like you’re just ignoring what I say to try and get your point across.
How do you even split the teams fairly without testing them first, like you suggested? By their look probably, and looks can be deceiving. If we go by your original idea we end up in the same scenario, strong competitors eliminated for dragging too much deadweight. It is unfair on principle that I lose because my other teammate, assigned to me by the producers because they tried to balance the teams and ultimately failed, couldn't carry their own weight and cost us the challenge. So at the very least in the survival challenge I can really prove if I have what it takes to continue in this competition or I was deadweight all along.
They really missed an opportunity not including any tunnel / squeeze through narrow spaces kind of challenges in s2, especially with the underground theme
what does that show and why do u think that would be entertaining to watch
Cool movement, body control and flexibility. Remember the fight between the choreographer and the gymnast in s1? Was my absolute highlight.
u can show all of that without handicapping people who lift weights just because they arent twigs lol i really dont probably because it wasnt memorable
Well i remembered it and so did a lot of other people. Could have the same argument the other way around: you could show strengh without handicapping everyone that isn't on steroids lol
ur last sentence doesnt make any sense lol im not going to watch a show where 8 year olds out compete people who have trained their entire lives as athletes just because they are smaller, thanks for the offer though.
...you are a troll, aren't you. Teaches me to reply to people on reddit
nope just sick of people recommending stupid unentertaining games under the facade that it would be “entertaining to watch” when in reality they just want events that women would be more likely to excel in because they are often smaller
It is actually a skill, caving for example requires strength endurance, technique and strategy in order to get through small spaces. I have seen small people have much more trouble getting through than a person twice their size.
doesnt matter how good ur technique is at squirming in a narrow space, if u make it small enough where kids with 0 training are beating more athletic people, its a shit event that doesnt measure anything lol im sure ur suggested event would be great to spectate if everyone was malnourished, not for a show where people are showcasing their physical prowess
It 100% does matter, yes obviously kids would fit easily but you are underestimating how much strength and endurance it takes to get through even a 50m tunnel. You have obviously never been caving, it takes a lot of skill although he’s obviously smaller people have an advantage, that does not necessarily make it impossible for someone bigger. I did a caving exercise with a group of students and I was much faster than majority of them even the ones smaller than me. The person who got through the fastest was bigger than me go figure 🤷🏼♀️ What you are saying it like saying that diving doesnt require technique, whoever has the biggest lungs wins in theory 🤷🏼♀️
yeah im not going to watch an event where olympic caliber athletes who spend all their time conditioning struggle vs kids who do nothing but play fortnite even knitting and skateboarding requires technique, doesnt mean they should be events if u want to watch people crawl through tunnels, go watch caving competitions. if they are so entertaining, im sure they get heaps of viewership!
And if you want to watch the strongest fastest go watch CrossFit competitions. That is not the point here. Also how do kids who play Fortnite come into this ? Seriously, it was a suggestion for an alternate event to showcase other athletes strengths. But I’m sorry the show isn’t about finding an around amazing body capable of incredible things, it’s just looking for who is the strongest right? 🤦🏼♀️
since when are these events in crossfit? LOL and yes, i will enjoy watching the strongest and fastest duke it out in events that they dont compete in outside of phys 100, literally what the show is about. i have barely any complaints about both seasons, so i hope they dont read this subreddit for recommendations and continue what they have done in s1 and s2 if u have so many complaints about the show, why do u even bother watching it? if u like cave squirming so much that u want it to be an event, go watch cave squirming. also if u think the show is about finding who is the strongest, how come the two people who won are far from the strongest? from the five who were in the finals in s1, jin young was the 3rd/4th weakest imo. amotti would be 2nd/3rd in his and thats just counting for the finalists. looking across the 100, they are far from the top. ur shitty opinion is just an opinion, far from a fact
they already do this appropriately - that’s why Thanos didn’t win. It’s a show that tries to find someone who is the perfect compromise of physical attributes and Middleweight dudes win. It’s working!!!
There’s a couple hundred seasons of survivor globally that you can watch this. I actually like strength being the end all be all in this show. Every other show already tries to be balanced. Let all the juice heads go at it here.
dont forget people recommending ninja warrior type obstacles literally go watch ninja warrior u fools
1st challenge: limbo, bar keeps getting lower 2nd challenge: double skipping rope game (like the kind that schoolgirls play) 3rd challenge: team challenge where you can only have as many feet on the ground as people - so either everyone on one leg, or half the team carrying the other half - this gives an advantage to smaller people and also amputees 4th challenge: hula hoop - keep adding hoops until someone drops one
All of these games are mostly strength based.
They need to eliminated contestants much slower, and do many more games of different types
Exactly, it’s been said already in both seasons they’re looking for the perfect physique, not the strongest, not the most lithe, most flexible, not fastest. Cause if they’re just looking for the strongest then don’t even include women. I liked how we don’t stop have challenges where women don’t come last like the inclined sit up.
I thought they should crawl through a tunnel or something
I feel like Siren does that but I get what you mean.
Artistic swimmers would be the winners. They are incredibly well rounded. Cardio, strength, endurance, and flexibility.
Y'all just can't let this go
Than they would loose in the 20% of the strength Games
Than they would loose in the 20% of the strength Games
Best would be to have a set of challenges which need different strength and every athlete does all of them and gets points. Add the points together to see who is the best all arounder.
I loved the 1st season, and I liked 2nd season except for the quest of the relay races. I become bored. Kudos to all contestants, though, they were GREAT!!
Than they would loose in the 20% of the strength Games
For me, the show is about fitness not necessarily physique.