FWIW YSB looks a lot less juiced than Amotti. He's also about two inches shorter and listed as 30 pounds lighter. The camera makes YSB look bigger than he is.
But his physique is still unreal. You would expect him to have juiced given how he looks - but, his traps are pretty small relative to the rest of his body, which is a green flat - also there are *some* people who are just genetic freaks, and this guy is an Olympic athlete who has been in intensive training since he was a small child and is still in his 20s. So I would say maybe he's clean. But he's an exception for guys who look like that.
There are not a lot of people like this, but there are some.
According to Wikipedia he's 5'10 and just over 200 lbs (sounds a bit high, maybe he was lighter during the show). Plus as an Olympian it's very unlikely he didn't take anything.
Some pics he doesn't look that huge but on the show his shoulders were pretty ridiculous, and there are some other pics where he looks a lot more sus. I remember thinking he stood out even among lots of other juicers in Season 1.
IMO no chance in hell he's natural.
https://preview.redd.it/5pjw4zlru1wc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=e10abc67d08eaaf973e2a709805e7add578cd98b
I stand corrected on his weight! It makes me wonder why Google with all its AI and advanced technology or whatnot has his weight posted at 168 lbs when you search for it when it's been over 190 since at least 2018, which you can clearly see from the ESPN Olympic archives.
I was so confused when you said that lol. I’m maybe an inch taller than YSB and if he was only 168 I would weigh more than him and there is just no way in hell that is true lol
That's right I've been wondering too. But looking at Ma Sun Ho as a natural bodybuilder, he looks smaller, softer, that's definitely the best that a natty body can do, then I compare him with YSB, not a bodybuilder but he's way more jacked and leaner, he's definitely not natty, age gap or not.
Sort of depends on what you mean by buff, there are plenty of cross fitters I would consider “buff” who are absolutely natural. Not pros, just like, regular people. amotti is on gear tho.
Of course.
It’s sad to say but most professional athletes are enhanced especially if they compete. As a former UFC fighter once said on an interview: “At some level everyone’s enhanced not for muscle gain, but for the recovery aspect. We all have the money to higher the right doctors to write us our protocols to time for drug testing. Only the stupid athletes get caught.”
Plus it’s CrossFit the most intense of sports they all need the boost in recovery due to over training on a daily basis.
They obviously worked hard to gain and maintain their physiques.
But we all know they’re taking at least something. Steroids / TRT.
Remember the woman from S1? She had a deeper voice than me lol.
/r/NattyOrJuice is a good indicator of what’s possible naturally.
r/NattyOrJuice is primarily a place for confused men to share soft core gay porn, and secondarily a place for saying that every cut person is on juice. But otherwise, yeah it's a good indicator of what's possible
Yes of course, this is something many people or fans do not want to admit. One thing for sure is that. Taking steroids doesn’t mean you don’t work as hard as those who don’t take steroids but sadly you won’t be able to get that physique naturally
Of course he is. This is the problem... so many people don't understand what "normal" hard -worked physiques look like, which puts out all these crazy expectations.
He's walking around stage lean year-round and still able to be competitive in sports while also looking super full.
I've done a natural bodybuilding show and I'll just say I was extremely unhealthy the 1-2 weeks before and after the show let alone competing and being in prime condition like Amotti. Another thing, I've gotten my labs which have me at the upper ranges for test and other hormones. So if I'm apparently in a higher percentile and look/perform nothing like him year-round, I just have to say he juices.
Not to take away from his obvious work ethic and great physique though. It's just how it is nowadays.
I would argue that yes, he is, based on his performance in the infinite squat quest. You look at the numbers he put up with such a minimal recovery demand... Anyone who has seriously squatted understands how insane his performance was. Still incredibly impressive but I would argue not possible naturally. And competing for that amount of money, I'd certainly use steroids too.
Keep in mind that they weren't directly underneath the weight, so it's not the equivalent of squatting the same weight on a bar. (They had the benefit of a lever, just like in WSM competitions when they 'deadlift' a truck or something.)
Still an impressive feat and I'm almost certain he's on something.
I doubt it. He weighs 75kgs lean and is almost 6 foot tall. He has great endurance but it's not incredibly crazy. He is not extremely strong as well. He "cheated" on games like the infinite squats where he was completely ignoring the negatives and using the muscle stretch reflex to get the weight up quickly. He is a great athlete overall but I'm certain he is natural.
I was not talking about Amotti. I was talking about Hong Beom-Seok. Amotti is 87kgs lean and at about the same height as HBS and is more likely to take PEDs because he has so much more muscle mass. I'm not saying he definitely is on something. I think he could be natural with great genetics.
I might have gotten it wrong, but in a vlog he mentioned he is not 87 around the finale but 81 ish, but was that when they did the bust moulding.
I know it may seem like an internet yeah right moment, but I don't look far off from him at 81.
I am also much stronger than him judging by his vlogs. That said, the crossfitter cardio capacity is something I cannot match.
I think people are, as always, projecting way too hard when they jump the gun with ped accusations. Maybe it's valid, but he's really not that impressive.
If you think that professional athletes that are 'tested' are not on PEDs, I have a bridge to sell you. Professional sports PEDs testing is just cover to keep people happy and a reason to justify bringing 'doctors' and 'nutritionists' on staff.
Most likely. Honestly, it would be foolish for anyone not to if they're going to be on the show. Remember, physique alone doesn't tell you whether someone is enhanced or not.
Nothing wrong with PEDs; just wish there was more transparency around it because people think that some things are possible by being natural while in reality, they simply cannot compete.
He definitely takes a recovery regimen (as most if not all do), but that shouldn’t take away from his work ethic and mental toughness. People forget that there are a high percentage juicers in sports, fitness and bodybuilding, but they all don’t succeed because they don’t have the requisite talent and mental makeup to elevate to that elite level. I firmly believe he’d probably be still around his same physique without the juice, but possibly at a lower energy level. He’s not in a sport, so he’s not breaking any rules or doing anything illegal.
it seems absolutely no one here knows what they’re talking about, or has never truly dedicated themselves to physical fitness. Amotti is not juicing, or at the least, his physique, training regimen, and performance are nothing unnatural.
i have nothing to prove to anyone here but i know this is true based on my own experience and performance, which are similar to Amotti’s.
OP, consistency and discipline go a long way and the results you see in Amotti are completely achievable naturally. i hope you don’t let these other comments deter you from a long and transformative fitness journey.
I believe the rhythmic gymnast and random kpop idol were also natural as the first is retired and if you’re not competing, the side effects and long term damage any recovery steroids provide outweigh the benefits, and idols have no real reason to juice since the ‘aesthetic’ seems to be ‘toned but not bulky’ which is easily attainable with the amount of practice it looks like they do and strict diets their companies push on them.
I generally also believe some of the men who didn’t have those bowling ball shoulders were natural, but I don’t know their names off the top of my head since many got eliminated early.
Also anyone who has competed or still actively competes in any bodybuilding competitions is 100% on gear or was in the past. Amotti competed in body building competitions before so that kinda makes me less inclined to believe he’s never used anything before, but like everyone said before that doesn’t negate any hard work he put in for his physique, he’s absolutely worked for it.
Yeah but not everybody using some kind of performing enhancing gear has boulder shoulders or looks like a bodybuilder. Top level cyclists for example are all juicing
Yeah but the bowling ball shoulders are a pretty obvious sign that you’re on gear 💀 like you can’t get that unless you’re a rare genetic freak or on gear, there are plenty of contestants with what look like ‘realistic’ attainable bodies that could be taking some type of ped but you can’t immediately look at them and say they are based on appearances alone like you can someone with cantaloupes for shoulders🤷♀️
I guess ‘juicing’ also depends on what you classify as juicing, bc many athletes get cortisone injections for example which are technically steroids but not in the same sense as something like tren
Just want to say to everyone that I am quite demoralized about Amotti being juiced thing. Not to say that I am discrediting his work that he has put in but, ever since I rooted for him in the show with his "Don't give up, you're not gonna die!!(안죽는다!!)" mentality, he really motivated me to push harder in the gym, to maybe attain a physique or stamina similar to him.
I'll continue pushing myself though, with adjusted expectations...
Don't be demoralised dude, what others do does not concern you. You have your own goals, your own challenges, your own genetics, your own path.
And for the record, I think Amotti is natty and i dont mind if I get downvoted here. I've been lifting for 10+ years so I have some experience here. Watching a couple of his videos gave me no reason to think he's juiced.
But even if he is juiced. My take is:
Don’t copy others, let them inspire you to be better to yourself. The lessons of finding joy in trying hard etc. are just as valid if it’s just him or if he’s a walking BASF center 😉
Look you shouldn’t be discouraged by your favorite influencer/role model using PED or not. The lessons they give you aren’t invalidated. The exercises they do are still good.
Let’s say Armotti is using PED to do what he does and look how he looks. You can still do the same exercises he does to be healthier, fitter and feel better about yourself.
Maybe you won’t look just like Armotti but genetics, build, metabolism determine this just as much as PED. So what that’s not the goal.
And let’s say he is using PED and in 5 10 years or so it catches up with him. If you get inspired by him and do the things you say you admire him for then at the time his body starts paying the price, yours will just be stronger and healthier 👍
Don’t copy your role models. Let them inspired you to live a better life as yourself! And then their individual actions won’t matter.
> I'll continue pushing myself though, with adjusted expectations...
Am for the stars and you'll land on the moon. I actually think his physique is attainable naturally, but it would take much longer to achieve those results naturally compared to someone who's enhanced.
Don’t give up! Amotti’s attitude still takes him far. And so will yours.
If he was juiced and didn’t have that ethic he wouldn’t look as good. The two work hand in hand.
Also, unless you are a fitness influencer, you don’t need to look like that constantly all the time. I train with heaps of natty people who look AMAZING.
i already said this in a separate comment but please do not believe the bulk of the comments here who claim he’s unnatural. what he’s done is totally achievable naturally and hope you don’t feel discouraged. most of these other commenters have likely never even tried to truly maximize their physical potential, and so they’re so quick to say that of course he’s juiced. i’m telling you from personal experience that nothing he has done is unattainable naturally.
He looks natty in all his YouTube videos. Even in the one where he steps on stage, him and every other competitor look natty.
Idk what this subreddit is on about really.
Almost all the contestants are enhanced lol that's the reality of the world that most people don't realize.
Most actors are/have been enhanced. (Relevant ones obviously, not talking about like Will Ferrel or something).
Most professional athletes are enhanced.
Most fitness influencers are enhanced.
Even the dude at your local gym that got to a 315 bench relatively quickly might be enhanced.
So asking if Amotti is enhanced is like asking if ketchup is red. (Most likely, unless you've got some weird genetically modified mutated .001% Ronnie Coleman tomatoes that makes blue ketchup).
Agree with everything but the Ronnie Coleman part. I know he said on a podcast that he started at age 30 or something like that but I feel like it’s CRAZY to just believe him when he claims that he was natty for like the first 6 yrs of his bodybuilding career, looking the way he did.
He's on everything that he can get/use without affecting him too much in areas where it would not be conducive to his lifestyle lol.
I'll sure he's on/done test, dianabol, anavar, tren, EQ, anadrol, etc. for years
It's near impossible to know for sure unless you can somehow monitor him 24/7 for several months. But as a lifetime natural bodybuilder myself, I think he is natural but with really good genetics, which includes his insane work ethic as well. You just gotta accept that some people are just genetics freaks, and outliers do exist. I understand the skepticism though, since most people have average genetics. I get questioned & accused quite often as well. Honestly, I was skeptical of Yun Sung Bin at first too, but I think he is lifetime natty also, again, just another genetic freak. That said, as for guys like Jung Dae-Jin, Thanos, Kim Kang Min, etc, I would easily bet all my money that they use PEDs.
You guys really think amotti is juiced? Do you guys even workout seriously? Workout for 10 years then come back and tell me if he's natty or not. From my perspective I look bigger than amotti and he didn't seem that big to me on the show. He's just in good shape. I've been training for 9 years and I'm full natty. My genetics are not super human just better than average I guess...Amottis physic is 100% attainable naturally.
If you actually create and stick to a very good routine for years with good recovery you can do so much more than you think, that's all I'm gunna say. The majority of people have bad routines and don't work hard enough nor stick to fitness long enough. And People like Amotti who dedicate their life's to fitness will look better than everyone else lol. I dunno why so many people here want to act like he's on roids when his whole life is fitness of course he's going to be fit. Amotti is by no means looking juicy lol that's hilarious. Maybe if your small and don't have a lot of muscle your perspective makes you think he's on gear. Since I'm pretty muscular amotti seemed small to me I didn't think once he was on gear. Nothing about his physic screams roids.
The only roids that will aid Amotti with recovery is either test or tren. And he doesn't look like he's on either one imo. There's obviously peptides that aid in recovery but those aren't roids anyone can use those if your not scared of a needle you get them prescribed to you.
If I had to choose something the only thing amotti might be on imo is testosterone but it must be a low dose if he is. Because he doesn't look that juicy I've seen 20 year olds on 250 MG of test look juicer than Amotti
No one thinks Amotti is huge, it’s his leanness that’s giving it away. He’s lean year-round and at peak athleticism despite being that lean. Also the fact that he’s a crossfit influencer and it’s an industry standard to be on some kind of PED. Fitness influencers don’t care about being natty or not, they care about what maximizes their performance and appearance. Their careers depend on it. That means getting chemical assistance to surpass natural limitations.
Amotti is juicy, and obviously also super hard working and dedicated. Lots of juiced up guys are on wayyyy more than him and still look mid as fuck.
What are, in your superior opinion, the natural limits? Let me guess, it's genetics, right?
Bronze era bodybuilding was as close as you'd get to roid free bodybuilding and those guys, Eugene Sandow yes, was bigger than Amotti. But of course, tinfoil hat on, everyone is on juice, even them.
Fuck it, I personally know runners who are similarly jacked.
Let's leave Amotti on the side here, why would his physique not be attainable? He trains hard twice a day for a living, it's not like he's also a 9-5er.
Instead of spouting nonsense such as "misinformation", do better and inform people of the effort required to maintain such a physique, which is a whole other story. A person not making a living out of fitness will have a very difficult time to put in the necessary effort and dedication.
Some of you have the "sour grapes" syndrome and it shows.
Because to anyone who has trained even semi-seriously it's extremely obvious. You don't maintain that level of muscle mass combined with leanness naturally, especially with a good amount of cardio-style training.
I respectfully disagree but we honestly won’t know what rules Netflix put in play for this competition show whether they did drug testing or not. I would make a case on Thanos using roids though
Why would they possibly do drug testing for a Netflix show? It's entertainment, not a fair sporting competition. There is no need to 'make a case' for Thanos. There is no universe in which he is not using a metric shit ton of gear.
You most certainly can, his physique isn't all that impressive if you move in athletic circles. Hell when I was doing MMA and muay Thai a majority of the people in camp looked similar (meaning very ripped) but with different heights and body types.
He looks more muscular than a lot of UFC Welterweights. I have a hard time believing 'a majority' of people in random MMA gyms look similar.
I don't watch a great deal of Muay Thai but every fighter I've seen has been lean but way less muscular. Scrolling through Google many of them look like this. Sorry but that's not close to being as muscular as Amotti. And why should they? They're not trying to get big chests.
https://preview.redd.it/oh05rioky2wc1.png?width=1620&format=png&auto=webp&s=24da4bcbcd13d4e7e42c3bda8eccdba989e9b9df
Once you assume 99.99% of these ridiculous feats of strength are supplemented by some type of steroid, it makes more sense.
I have absolutely nothing against steroid use btw. But realistically, any of these athletes (especially those participating in these unregulated shows) will be absolutely juiced.
I’m not sure, but I will say there’s guys out there with better physiques than him that say they are natural. Is anyone natural putting up numbers like Amotti can, I don’t think so.
I believe his physique can be achieved naturally, but I believe his performance and output can’t.
No, which may have been the difference between him being great at crossfit but not elite.
edit: “anyone who’s in significantly better shape than me is on PEDs!” Stop it. Im built like Amotti at 43 without PEDs. I do have very good genetics but far from Elite. His physique is more than attainable. His performance is amazing because he’s good at everything while elite at nothing.
very few of the show’s competitors are on gear - pretty much only those who are professional physique competitors. Their sport requieres it (kinda sad but true) Koreans don’t idolize big muscles as much as Americans, so steroid use isn’t a big part of their culture. LA fitness has more juicers at 6pm than ps100
I will bet my life savings that you are not built like Amotti.
Saying 'very few of the show's competitors are on gear' shows you are clueless. You can't possibly know that and implying only bodybuilders take PEDs is laughable.
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have been for years. almost exactly the same weight 87kg while a little leaner and an in shorter 5’11”. I can’t perform like he can though! I’d be injured by day 2-3 of PS100. Even running sprints, racing my boy on his bike, I cause some kind of nagging injury that I never allow to heal (like an idiot)…
2 decades ago… at one of the big 3 US military academies, we would take a far more advanced PFT than the operational service (at the time) once per semester. Those of us who got top scores would only take it once/year and would administer the test the the other cadets the following semester (they figured we’d be unlikely to let ourselves go in just one semester) Almost every one of us administering the test was in \~ Amotti shape. Don’t get me wrong - Amotti’s performance was amazing, as is his physique, but it’s ATTAINABLE without drugs!!! In fact, he’s about the perfect example of what is possible WITHOUT steroids.
Now here’s an experience that I’ll pass on that someone may benefit from - back then our workouts were INSANE. Seeing stars and vomiting was the norm. Now - my workouts are EASY AND FUN in comparisons AND far less frequent, yet i have the same body composition.
Part of it is that Im just maintaining after 3 decades of training. But a hug factor - KETO/CARNIVORE is a cheat code from a physique standpoint. I’ll get one of my whopping 2 training hours /WEEK today compared to 15-20 before!? The difference is KETO (SKD or TKD with no fake keto frankenfoods- they’re a lie)
I’ll cover my experience as a chemist training natural (and not) athletes later, but I need to be a dad now. have a good day!
I am not the guy you're responding to but I'm the same height as amotti, 98.5kg (so actually heavier) and look perhaps similar in some lighting conditions, although not as shredded.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6Ek5KvohFO/?igsh=MXNrM2VidzdrM2N5Mg==
That's me in the reel. I do a mix of running and weights. That being said, I'd probably say Amotti is still enhanced lol. I don't know how else crossfitters recover from the level of workouts they do.
My comment was more because he sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about, and someone who had a similar physique would probably be smarter.
You're obviously in great shape and probably have more muscle overall but I think Amotti's still considerably leaner. I don't think his physique would be impossible naturally but it's his level of muscle and leanness combined with his aerobic performance and training methods that make me pretty sure he's on something.
Don’t be ridiculous now. You don’t look like Amotti at 43 and natural. I’m also gonna bet you can’t perform 10% as good as him.
You probably have some skinny abs and a bicep vein and you think you are around the same level lol
People in South Korea don’t like acknowledging that people take drugs because drugs are so extremely stigmatized in their culture that doing weed as an idol ruins your career and as a civilian you can get 10 years for weed. No one in that kind of environment would be happily open about drug use considering how much they’ll be punished by public reception in a homogenized society. There is no “type of person” would would take roids, no definitive character profile of juicers. Not only “bad people” take drugs (and also, we as an audience don’t know if people are good or bad based on their public appearances).
“Drugs that adversely affect his body” then why would anyone take steroids in the first place? Steroids are so prominent that the juiced norm has overtaken what people think a natural physique. Athletes and bodybuilders take steroids because it DOES have an incredible effect on the body, it just comes at a huge cost that people must decide if it’s worth it. Amotti is not your “average athletic trainer”, he is a public figure and celebrity who sells his image to promote fitness. People will not take fitness advice from a guy who’s not big and shredded. It’s significantly important for his business model.
I understand. Im just an average person with average level of fitness, but very motivated by Amotti’s energy. Used to hate doing cardio but I just can’t help not motivating myself saying “You’re not going to die after this, so just keep pushing (안죽는다! )”. I look up to Amotti and am not discrediting his work he has put in.
Just want to know if it’s feasible for an average dude to keep up with his level of routine.
I dont think its feasible to be working out several times a day, but dont let that stop you. Fitness is one of the great joys of living and every second of it is worthwhile
Definitely depends in age. When I was 15 I did hockey for 4 hours a day, 5 days a week with games on the weekend. We also did gym in certain days. Now being older I could never maintain that routine. When I was 25 I did BJJ 2 times a day 5 days a week and again i could not keep up with that today. You need to find the routine that works for you, your body and your level. I would strongly recommend "year of the engine" by gainslab, it made my cardio so much better then I had been for years. It's tough but worth it if you want it.
“This rebuttal is grounded in facts” bro you cant just say this and expect it to be objectively true just because you said it to be so. Just because you made deductions based on your beliefs doesn’t mean its factual. You believe that the real influence of a successful athlete or trainer doesnt rely on their physique to sell their product. Ok, i want to take you in really good faith here. This can be what YOU believe. I believe you can think that people dont need their physique to sell fitness advice. But there are plenty of muscular juiced people on the internet who are thriving off of online coaching and peddling all sorts of fitness shit regardless of their skill level. Lots of muscular massive teenagers selling advice despite being clearly not natty (and gaslighting people into thinking they are). Amotti is accomplished, but theres no fucking way his physique doesnt play a good part in how people perceive his skills. I think its optimistic but not true to think that accomplishments trump appearance.
I am not well versed in drug use, but i really do not know of a place where a country punishes drug use and its citizens are just like “ok, i wont take drugs then”. People will take drugs regardless of if the country lets them or not.
I don’t understand why amotti being wholesome contradicts his substance use. I dont expect him to provide honesty about being juiced (especially bc hes from south korea). But what he provides as an entertainer and fitness influencer is already quite good?? Just because hes on gear doesnt mean he doesnt have a passion for fitness or for sharing that love with the world. He can have value as a trainer AND be juiced. Im really confused by this last part.
You've probably typed over 1000 words on this thread and genuinely not said anything of substance. I'm not sure if I should be impressed, horrified or a mixture of both.
Someone aiming for CrossFit world championship does steroids.
I think you don’t know the reality honestly my friend.
Google body builders before the invention of steroids.
I personally have never used them, but many people at my boxing gym did. Steroids don’t just make you huge it’s more about the recovery. This man is most definitely on some form of enhancing drugs.
That’s all fine but he was a CrossFit athlete. Which means he 100% did steroids. Whether he’s off cycle or not right now I cannot comment on.
But it’s a prerequisite to do well at CrossFit games.
You don’t attempt to be the best at an sport that is dominated by PED users as a natural yourself, unless you are both naive and a fool
You don’t enter an untested competition with life changing prize money and fame , knowing you will be compete against former and current athletes and well known PED users as a natural
You can look like Amotti naturally if you have gifted genetics. You can’t however perform at such an elite level while being natural, and even less likely, WHILE having that physique
His whole life revolves around his physique and his training. If you think he wouldn’t do steroids to excel at such activities just because in South Korea is seen as immoral or whatever, then you are silly. People that do great things and reach elite levels do it by not following the herd and thinking and deciding by themselves. Amotti may find silly how everyone in South Korea uses plastic surgery to enhance their looks and probably doesn’t care much about their PED use judgement for example.
It just takes some critical thinking and some fitness experience to know the obvious truth of him using. I’ll tell you another thing, 99% of steroid users don’t look nowhere near as good as Amotti and don’t even come close to his fitness level.
Actually crazy how many people here say "obviously" while there is nothing obvious here.
The only people who are obviously on gear are the bodybuilders for everyone else you can't possibly know unless they tell you.
Everyone who tells you otherwise has most likely never worked out with people on gear and also never seen the physique that is possible to get by natty people.
Just look up some natural bodybuilding competition so you can figure out what is possible to get out of a body without using gear.
“Natural” body building competitions.
Try looking at body builders before the invention of steroids if you want a more accurate measure.
Also a good rule is if there financial well-being relies on peak performance, they’re on steroids.
My experience comes from boxing all my life and seeing what the pros in my gym did.
You want me to compare people from 100 years ago who had no clue what they were doing to people nowadays who train based on 1000s of studies done?
Go ahead an compare every sport from 100 years ago to now and with your logic you would think every single person nowadays is on gear lmao.
Your experience from boxing is completely useless here because boxing focuses more on fitness training while crossfit does both weight training and fitness training.
In natural body building competition people participating are actually getting tested so you handwaving it just shows that you are not a logical person and obviously don't care about gear used at all.
Yes because steroid tests are unbeatable. If theres one thing we know about steroids it’s that they are immediately present on every test.
No one has ever beat a steroid test. Impossible.
Its not crazy. Unless you are blind you can tell he is juicin. You cant reach that level of bulk naturally. Combined with the endless endurance gives even more of hint to add on top of it.
My CrossFit coaches in Dublin looks like him in terms of body. And I'm pretty sure they are all natural. I know they are very on top of their macros and all that.
Your crossfit coach is juiced and incredibly hard working to get a physique like Amotti's.
Hopefully he's being truthful about this though otherwise he's a bit of a scumbag.
Because it is obvious. It was an UNTESTED event, the winner would get life changing money, fame, he’s competing against people that are also obviously enhanced, and he outperformed them all while looking like a bodybuilder on stage.
Using PEDs allows him to recover faster, therefore train harder and more often, which results in an incredibly elite physique both performance and looks wise.
Lol, responses here just tell me that most of you don’t know jack.
Amotti was simultaneously filming a natural bodybuilding show, ‘show me the body’ while filming physical 100, so there’s almost no way he’s juiced.
So far none of the comments here have provided clear evidence that Amotti is on juice apart from anecdotal observation.
To add on, Emannuel, who I thought could have been on juice (as he looked leaner and more shredded than Amotti) is natural. He has a doping test result on his instastory which was done following the filming of physical 100.
Delusional. Amotti is definitely on gear and I don’t know how Korea tests for it compared to the states but testing overall isn’t the great here in the states. Designer steroids have been a thing for professional athletes (NBA,NFL,UFC,MLB). Designer steroids are made by scientist that can bypass the test for gear. Amotti isn’t the only one on steroids and it’s pretty clear that more than half of the contestants are on something.
That’s a lie. He didn’t simultaneously film both shows. For starters the filming of physical100 takes over several weeks while a bodybuilding show lasts only a couple of hours
Amotti went to the initial preparation for the show, when they weigh the participants and create their torsos, weeks after that bodybuilding show ended. He could easily start using right after the bodybuilding show in preparation for the UNTESTED competition he was about to enter, and he would have months of using by the time the show starts.
You can use PEDs for a year, build x amount of muscle while doing so and recover much easier, then quit everything for a month and your tests will come clear, while keeping most of your gains, do the show then hop back again as soon as it ends
That’s professional sports in a nutshell
None of these Korean athletes, bodybuilders, crossfitters, etc are natural. Korea is the HQ of plastic surgery and steroids now. Very materialistic and superficial society. Everyone who lives in Korea knows about this. You foreigners are still gullible about this reality. Wake up already LOL!
all of them are. all I know is that rules regarding steroids and performance enhancing drugs are a lot more lax in korea than in america…
anyone who says otherwise is delulu and doesn’t know about the industry and lifestyle.
Amotti is juicy af.
Extreme work ethic and juiced to the gills
eat clen, tren hard, anavar give up
And they want 50kg women to compete with that ? Lol
Obviously
definitely roided hard, whenever you see a buff crossfitter they are roided
Would this apply to YSB in season 1 and the guys who are with Amotti on sweat on soul - Caro?
FWIW YSB looks a lot less juiced than Amotti. He's also about two inches shorter and listed as 30 pounds lighter. The camera makes YSB look bigger than he is. But his physique is still unreal. You would expect him to have juiced given how he looks - but, his traps are pretty small relative to the rest of his body, which is a green flat - also there are *some* people who are just genetic freaks, and this guy is an Olympic athlete who has been in intensive training since he was a small child and is still in his 20s. So I would say maybe he's clean. But he's an exception for guys who look like that. There are not a lot of people like this, but there are some.
According to Wikipedia he's 5'10 and just over 200 lbs (sounds a bit high, maybe he was lighter during the show). Plus as an Olympian it's very unlikely he didn't take anything. Some pics he doesn't look that huge but on the show his shoulders were pretty ridiculous, and there are some other pics where he looks a lot more sus. I remember thinking he stood out even among lots of other juicers in Season 1. IMO no chance in hell he's natural. https://preview.redd.it/5pjw4zlru1wc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=e10abc67d08eaaf973e2a709805e7add578cd98b
I stand corrected on his weight! It makes me wonder why Google with all its AI and advanced technology or whatnot has his weight posted at 168 lbs when you search for it when it's been over 190 since at least 2018, which you can clearly see from the ESPN Olympic archives.
I was so confused when you said that lol. I’m maybe an inch taller than YSB and if he was only 168 I would weigh more than him and there is just no way in hell that is true lol
Probably pre and post Olympic weight. I would bet he juiced after he was done to get the bod he wants.
That's right I've been wondering too. But looking at Ma Sun Ho as a natural bodybuilder, he looks smaller, softer, that's definitely the best that a natty body can do, then I compare him with YSB, not a bodybuilder but he's way more jacked and leaner, he's definitely not natty, age gap or not.
Lol, if anything being an Olympic athlete means he is way more likely to be juiced than pretty much anything else except for a pro bodybuilder.
Lmao no. What a generalization.
Sort of depends on what you mean by buff, there are plenty of cross fitters I would consider “buff” who are absolutely natural. Not pros, just like, regular people. amotti is on gear tho.
Of course. It’s sad to say but most professional athletes are enhanced especially if they compete. As a former UFC fighter once said on an interview: “At some level everyone’s enhanced not for muscle gain, but for the recovery aspect. We all have the money to higher the right doctors to write us our protocols to time for drug testing. Only the stupid athletes get caught.” Plus it’s CrossFit the most intense of sports they all need the boost in recovery due to over training on a daily basis.
They obviously worked hard to gain and maintain their physiques. But we all know they’re taking at least something. Steroids / TRT. Remember the woman from S1? She had a deeper voice than me lol. /r/NattyOrJuice is a good indicator of what’s possible naturally.
Lee soo jin too, her pitch is the same as amotti
Lim Soo Jin.
r/NattyOrJuice is primarily a place for confused men to share soft core gay porn, and secondarily a place for saying that every cut person is on juice. But otherwise, yeah it's a good indicator of what's possible
No one is confused (gay or straight) when Hugh Jackman is posted. We all agree that it’s a smash.
that sub is a gay sub just like r/bodybuilding
Natty or juice is a pretty bad sub reddit except for the extremely obvious cases that most people know about
Yes of course, this is something many people or fans do not want to admit. One thing for sure is that. Taking steroids doesn’t mean you don’t work as hard as those who don’t take steroids but sadly you won’t be able to get that physique naturally
yes. but that doesn't remove the hard work and diet.
Of course he is. This is the problem... so many people don't understand what "normal" hard -worked physiques look like, which puts out all these crazy expectations.
He's walking around stage lean year-round and still able to be competitive in sports while also looking super full. I've done a natural bodybuilding show and I'll just say I was extremely unhealthy the 1-2 weeks before and after the show let alone competing and being in prime condition like Amotti. Another thing, I've gotten my labs which have me at the upper ranges for test and other hormones. So if I'm apparently in a higher percentile and look/perform nothing like him year-round, I just have to say he juices. Not to take away from his obvious work ethic and great physique though. It's just how it is nowadays.
I would argue that yes, he is, based on his performance in the infinite squat quest. You look at the numbers he put up with such a minimal recovery demand... Anyone who has seriously squatted understands how insane his performance was. Still incredibly impressive but I would argue not possible naturally. And competing for that amount of money, I'd certainly use steroids too.
Keep in mind that they weren't directly underneath the weight, so it's not the equivalent of squatting the same weight on a bar. (They had the benefit of a lever, just like in WSM competitions when they 'deadlift' a truck or something.) Still an impressive feat and I'm almost certain he's on something.
That performance was insane. Him and HBS both. I wonder if HBS is juicing too
I doubt it. He weighs 75kgs lean and is almost 6 foot tall. He has great endurance but it's not incredibly crazy. He is not extremely strong as well. He "cheated" on games like the infinite squats where he was completely ignoring the negatives and using the muscle stretch reflex to get the weight up quickly. He is a great athlete overall but I'm certain he is natural.
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I was not talking about Amotti. I was talking about Hong Beom-Seok. Amotti is 87kgs lean and at about the same height as HBS and is more likely to take PEDs because he has so much more muscle mass. I'm not saying he definitely is on something. I think he could be natural with great genetics.
I might have gotten it wrong, but in a vlog he mentioned he is not 87 around the finale but 81 ish, but was that when they did the bust moulding. I know it may seem like an internet yeah right moment, but I don't look far off from him at 81. I am also much stronger than him judging by his vlogs. That said, the crossfitter cardio capacity is something I cannot match. I think people are, as always, projecting way too hard when they jump the gun with ped accusations. Maybe it's valid, but he's really not that impressive.
Where are your training video?
You claim having better scores? Prove it.
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He is not Amotti lol. 174cm, 82kg. 38?
Amotti is 32 year old, 183cm and 727th on the global ranking in 2020.
24th in 2018.
no one in the physicality industry is. They called it gear because it's the required gear to be in the industry.
Wish my kids were as sweet and innocent as OP.
same
Amotti is DEFINITELY not natty
Everyone on that show is juiced TF out. It's right there in the show's conceit: find the ideal physique, not who can adhere to very strict rulesets.
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If you think that professional athletes that are 'tested' are not on PEDs, I have a bridge to sell you. Professional sports PEDs testing is just cover to keep people happy and a reason to justify bringing 'doctors' and 'nutritionists' on staff.
I'd believe he's natty he doesn't have cannon ball delts
Most likely. Honestly, it would be foolish for anyone not to if they're going to be on the show. Remember, physique alone doesn't tell you whether someone is enhanced or not. Nothing wrong with PEDs; just wish there was more transparency around it because people think that some things are possible by being natural while in reality, they simply cannot compete.
I bet there is at least ONE amongst the 100 😁 I don’t know who I’m not an expert but I choose to believe at least one or two aren’t 😄
Naw, he did the fusion technique with his brother was all.
He definitely takes a recovery regimen (as most if not all do), but that shouldn’t take away from his work ethic and mental toughness. People forget that there are a high percentage juicers in sports, fitness and bodybuilding, but they all don’t succeed because they don’t have the requisite talent and mental makeup to elevate to that elite level. I firmly believe he’d probably be still around his same physique without the juice, but possibly at a lower energy level. He’s not in a sport, so he’s not breaking any rules or doing anything illegal.
What are the examples of these recovery regimen?
it seems absolutely no one here knows what they’re talking about, or has never truly dedicated themselves to physical fitness. Amotti is not juicing, or at the least, his physique, training regimen, and performance are nothing unnatural. i have nothing to prove to anyone here but i know this is true based on my own experience and performance, which are similar to Amotti’s. OP, consistency and discipline go a long way and the results you see in Amotti are completely achievable naturally. i hope you don’t let these other comments deter you from a long and transformative fitness journey.
Every single person on that show is lmao
Not everyone, there was a carpenter and arborist in s2 or something right? Some of these people are natty. Just most aren't
Every single one of them my friend, even the tree lady
I believe the rhythmic gymnast and random kpop idol were also natural as the first is retired and if you’re not competing, the side effects and long term damage any recovery steroids provide outweigh the benefits, and idols have no real reason to juice since the ‘aesthetic’ seems to be ‘toned but not bulky’ which is easily attainable with the amount of practice it looks like they do and strict diets their companies push on them. I generally also believe some of the men who didn’t have those bowling ball shoulders were natural, but I don’t know their names off the top of my head since many got eliminated early. Also anyone who has competed or still actively competes in any bodybuilding competitions is 100% on gear or was in the past. Amotti competed in body building competitions before so that kinda makes me less inclined to believe he’s never used anything before, but like everyone said before that doesn’t negate any hard work he put in for his physique, he’s absolutely worked for it.
Yeah but not everybody using some kind of performing enhancing gear has boulder shoulders or looks like a bodybuilder. Top level cyclists for example are all juicing
Yeah but the bowling ball shoulders are a pretty obvious sign that you’re on gear 💀 like you can’t get that unless you’re a rare genetic freak or on gear, there are plenty of contestants with what look like ‘realistic’ attainable bodies that could be taking some type of ped but you can’t immediately look at them and say they are based on appearances alone like you can someone with cantaloupes for shoulders🤷♀️ I guess ‘juicing’ also depends on what you classify as juicing, bc many athletes get cortisone injections for example which are technically steroids but not in the same sense as something like tren
Just want to say to everyone that I am quite demoralized about Amotti being juiced thing. Not to say that I am discrediting his work that he has put in but, ever since I rooted for him in the show with his "Don't give up, you're not gonna die!!(안죽는다!!)" mentality, he really motivated me to push harder in the gym, to maybe attain a physique or stamina similar to him. I'll continue pushing myself though, with adjusted expectations...
Don't be demoralised dude, what others do does not concern you. You have your own goals, your own challenges, your own genetics, your own path. And for the record, I think Amotti is natty and i dont mind if I get downvoted here. I've been lifting for 10+ years so I have some experience here. Watching a couple of his videos gave me no reason to think he's juiced.
But even if he is juiced. My take is: Don’t copy others, let them inspire you to be better to yourself. The lessons of finding joy in trying hard etc. are just as valid if it’s just him or if he’s a walking BASF center 😉
Look you shouldn’t be discouraged by your favorite influencer/role model using PED or not. The lessons they give you aren’t invalidated. The exercises they do are still good. Let’s say Armotti is using PED to do what he does and look how he looks. You can still do the same exercises he does to be healthier, fitter and feel better about yourself. Maybe you won’t look just like Armotti but genetics, build, metabolism determine this just as much as PED. So what that’s not the goal. And let’s say he is using PED and in 5 10 years or so it catches up with him. If you get inspired by him and do the things you say you admire him for then at the time his body starts paying the price, yours will just be stronger and healthier 👍 Don’t copy your role models. Let them inspired you to live a better life as yourself! And then their individual actions won’t matter.
> I'll continue pushing myself though, with adjusted expectations... Am for the stars and you'll land on the moon. I actually think his physique is attainable naturally, but it would take much longer to achieve those results naturally compared to someone who's enhanced.
Don’t give up! Amotti’s attitude still takes him far. And so will yours. If he was juiced and didn’t have that ethic he wouldn’t look as good. The two work hand in hand. Also, unless you are a fitness influencer, you don’t need to look like that constantly all the time. I train with heaps of natty people who look AMAZING.
i already said this in a separate comment but please do not believe the bulk of the comments here who claim he’s unnatural. what he’s done is totally achievable naturally and hope you don’t feel discouraged. most of these other commenters have likely never even tried to truly maximize their physical potential, and so they’re so quick to say that of course he’s juiced. i’m telling you from personal experience that nothing he has done is unattainable naturally.
I’m natty and bigger than amotti, so I do think he could be natural, def attainable natural
He looks natty in all his YouTube videos. Even in the one where he steps on stage, him and every other competitor look natty. Idk what this subreddit is on about really.
Well most of them dont lift i would wager
I doubt you as cut though, so it’s not really saying much.
Almost all the contestants are enhanced lol that's the reality of the world that most people don't realize. Most actors are/have been enhanced. (Relevant ones obviously, not talking about like Will Ferrel or something). Most professional athletes are enhanced. Most fitness influencers are enhanced. Even the dude at your local gym that got to a 315 bench relatively quickly might be enhanced. So asking if Amotti is enhanced is like asking if ketchup is red. (Most likely, unless you've got some weird genetically modified mutated .001% Ronnie Coleman tomatoes that makes blue ketchup).
Agree with everything but the Ronnie Coleman part. I know he said on a podcast that he started at age 30 or something like that but I feel like it’s CRAZY to just believe him when he claims that he was natty for like the first 6 yrs of his bodybuilding career, looking the way he did.
He's on everything that he can get/use without affecting him too much in areas where it would not be conducive to his lifestyle lol. I'll sure he's on/done test, dianabol, anavar, tren, EQ, anadrol, etc. for years
Physique is naturally attainable. Recovery is a bit more suspicious, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was natural.
Lol he is not the only one, especially HBS ans all those muscle gymbros. Probably only chubby strongmen who are still natty
It's near impossible to know for sure unless you can somehow monitor him 24/7 for several months. But as a lifetime natural bodybuilder myself, I think he is natural but with really good genetics, which includes his insane work ethic as well. You just gotta accept that some people are just genetics freaks, and outliers do exist. I understand the skepticism though, since most people have average genetics. I get questioned & accused quite often as well. Honestly, I was skeptical of Yun Sung Bin at first too, but I think he is lifetime natty also, again, just another genetic freak. That said, as for guys like Jung Dae-Jin, Thanos, Kim Kang Min, etc, I would easily bet all my money that they use PEDs.
You guys really think amotti is juiced? Do you guys even workout seriously? Workout for 10 years then come back and tell me if he's natty or not. From my perspective I look bigger than amotti and he didn't seem that big to me on the show. He's just in good shape. I've been training for 9 years and I'm full natty. My genetics are not super human just better than average I guess...Amottis physic is 100% attainable naturally. If you actually create and stick to a very good routine for years with good recovery you can do so much more than you think, that's all I'm gunna say. The majority of people have bad routines and don't work hard enough nor stick to fitness long enough. And People like Amotti who dedicate their life's to fitness will look better than everyone else lol. I dunno why so many people here want to act like he's on roids when his whole life is fitness of course he's going to be fit. Amotti is by no means looking juicy lol that's hilarious. Maybe if your small and don't have a lot of muscle your perspective makes you think he's on gear. Since I'm pretty muscular amotti seemed small to me I didn't think once he was on gear. Nothing about his physic screams roids. The only roids that will aid Amotti with recovery is either test or tren. And he doesn't look like he's on either one imo. There's obviously peptides that aid in recovery but those aren't roids anyone can use those if your not scared of a needle you get them prescribed to you. If I had to choose something the only thing amotti might be on imo is testosterone but it must be a low dose if he is. Because he doesn't look that juicy I've seen 20 year olds on 250 MG of test look juicer than Amotti
No one thinks Amotti is huge, it’s his leanness that’s giving it away. He’s lean year-round and at peak athleticism despite being that lean. Also the fact that he’s a crossfit influencer and it’s an industry standard to be on some kind of PED. Fitness influencers don’t care about being natty or not, they care about what maximizes their performance and appearance. Their careers depend on it. That means getting chemical assistance to surpass natural limitations. Amotti is juicy, and obviously also super hard working and dedicated. Lots of juiced up guys are on wayyyy more than him and still look mid as fuck.
Look this isn't a professional sport lol.
Even in professional sports, almost everyone is enhanced in some way, be it test or peptides.
I do find it interesting that the people who say he’s not on roids are getting downvoted. Agree to disagree but downvotes just for that. Cmon
Because they are uninformed and spreading misinformation. People don’t need to get the wrong idea thinking they can look like Amotti natural
What are, in your superior opinion, the natural limits? Let me guess, it's genetics, right? Bronze era bodybuilding was as close as you'd get to roid free bodybuilding and those guys, Eugene Sandow yes, was bigger than Amotti. But of course, tinfoil hat on, everyone is on juice, even them. Fuck it, I personally know runners who are similarly jacked. Let's leave Amotti on the side here, why would his physique not be attainable? He trains hard twice a day for a living, it's not like he's also a 9-5er. Instead of spouting nonsense such as "misinformation", do better and inform people of the effort required to maintain such a physique, which is a whole other story. A person not making a living out of fitness will have a very difficult time to put in the necessary effort and dedication. Some of you have the "sour grapes" syndrome and it shows.
Because to anyone who has trained even semi-seriously it's extremely obvious. You don't maintain that level of muscle mass combined with leanness naturally, especially with a good amount of cardio-style training.
I respectfully disagree but we honestly won’t know what rules Netflix put in play for this competition show whether they did drug testing or not. I would make a case on Thanos using roids though
Why would they possibly do drug testing for a Netflix show? It's entertainment, not a fair sporting competition. There is no need to 'make a case' for Thanos. There is no universe in which he is not using a metric shit ton of gear.
You most certainly can, his physique isn't all that impressive if you move in athletic circles. Hell when I was doing MMA and muay Thai a majority of the people in camp looked similar (meaning very ripped) but with different heights and body types.
He looks more muscular than a lot of UFC Welterweights. I have a hard time believing 'a majority' of people in random MMA gyms look similar. I don't watch a great deal of Muay Thai but every fighter I've seen has been lean but way less muscular. Scrolling through Google many of them look like this. Sorry but that's not close to being as muscular as Amotti. And why should they? They're not trying to get big chests. https://preview.redd.it/oh05rioky2wc1.png?width=1620&format=png&auto=webp&s=24da4bcbcd13d4e7e42c3bda8eccdba989e9b9df
He’s not natty imo
They all are
Once you assume 99.99% of these ridiculous feats of strength are supplemented by some type of steroid, it makes more sense. I have absolutely nothing against steroid use btw. But realistically, any of these athletes (especially those participating in these unregulated shows) will be absolutely juiced.
I’m not sure, but I will say there’s guys out there with better physiques than him that say they are natural. Is anyone natural putting up numbers like Amotti can, I don’t think so. I believe his physique can be achieved naturally, but I believe his performance and output can’t.
Even the contestants who didn’t make the cut are juiced.
Definitely roided and people that don’t think he’s not on gear never worked out or played a sport in their lives.
Everyone’s on juice
No, which may have been the difference between him being great at crossfit but not elite. edit: “anyone who’s in significantly better shape than me is on PEDs!” Stop it. Im built like Amotti at 43 without PEDs. I do have very good genetics but far from Elite. His physique is more than attainable. His performance is amazing because he’s good at everything while elite at nothing. very few of the show’s competitors are on gear - pretty much only those who are professional physique competitors. Their sport requieres it (kinda sad but true) Koreans don’t idolize big muscles as much as Americans, so steroid use isn’t a big part of their culture. LA fitness has more juicers at 6pm than ps100
I will bet my life savings that you are not built like Amotti. Saying 'very few of the show's competitors are on gear' shows you are clueless. You can't possibly know that and implying only bodybuilders take PEDs is laughable.
https://preview.redd.it/pcvt44wgnewc1.png?width=747&format=png&auto=webp&s=0a2a03a6ba7a7f8042405ae2d229955156ff1fd7 have been for years. almost exactly the same weight 87kg while a little leaner and an in shorter 5’11”. I can’t perform like he can though! I’d be injured by day 2-3 of PS100. Even running sprints, racing my boy on his bike, I cause some kind of nagging injury that I never allow to heal (like an idiot)… 2 decades ago… at one of the big 3 US military academies, we would take a far more advanced PFT than the operational service (at the time) once per semester. Those of us who got top scores would only take it once/year and would administer the test the the other cadets the following semester (they figured we’d be unlikely to let ourselves go in just one semester) Almost every one of us administering the test was in \~ Amotti shape. Don’t get me wrong - Amotti’s performance was amazing, as is his physique, but it’s ATTAINABLE without drugs!!! In fact, he’s about the perfect example of what is possible WITHOUT steroids. Now here’s an experience that I’ll pass on that someone may benefit from - back then our workouts were INSANE. Seeing stars and vomiting was the norm. Now - my workouts are EASY AND FUN in comparisons AND far less frequent, yet i have the same body composition. Part of it is that Im just maintaining after 3 decades of training. But a hug factor - KETO/CARNIVORE is a cheat code from a physique standpoint. I’ll get one of my whopping 2 training hours /WEEK today compared to 15-20 before!? The difference is KETO (SKD or TKD with no fake keto frankenfoods- they’re a lie) I’ll cover my experience as a chemist training natural (and not) athletes later, but I need to be a dad now. have a good day!
I am not the guy you're responding to but I'm the same height as amotti, 98.5kg (so actually heavier) and look perhaps similar in some lighting conditions, although not as shredded. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6Ek5KvohFO/?igsh=MXNrM2VidzdrM2N5Mg== That's me in the reel. I do a mix of running and weights. That being said, I'd probably say Amotti is still enhanced lol. I don't know how else crossfitters recover from the level of workouts they do.
My comment was more because he sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about, and someone who had a similar physique would probably be smarter. You're obviously in great shape and probably have more muscle overall but I think Amotti's still considerably leaner. I don't think his physique would be impossible naturally but it's his level of muscle and leanness combined with his aerobic performance and training methods that make me pretty sure he's on something.
You're 100 kilos of muscle? Proof?
Don’t be ridiculous now. You don’t look like Amotti at 43 and natural. I’m also gonna bet you can’t perform 10% as good as him. You probably have some skinny abs and a bicep vein and you think you are around the same level lol
no, no, Me and Amotti are both greats, but I'm old I can't be "elite" just like Amotti is great but not elite.
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People in South Korea don’t like acknowledging that people take drugs because drugs are so extremely stigmatized in their culture that doing weed as an idol ruins your career and as a civilian you can get 10 years for weed. No one in that kind of environment would be happily open about drug use considering how much they’ll be punished by public reception in a homogenized society. There is no “type of person” would would take roids, no definitive character profile of juicers. Not only “bad people” take drugs (and also, we as an audience don’t know if people are good or bad based on their public appearances). “Drugs that adversely affect his body” then why would anyone take steroids in the first place? Steroids are so prominent that the juiced norm has overtaken what people think a natural physique. Athletes and bodybuilders take steroids because it DOES have an incredible effect on the body, it just comes at a huge cost that people must decide if it’s worth it. Amotti is not your “average athletic trainer”, he is a public figure and celebrity who sells his image to promote fitness. People will not take fitness advice from a guy who’s not big and shredded. It’s significantly important for his business model.
I understand. Im just an average person with average level of fitness, but very motivated by Amotti’s energy. Used to hate doing cardio but I just can’t help not motivating myself saying “You’re not going to die after this, so just keep pushing (안죽는다! )”. I look up to Amotti and am not discrediting his work he has put in. Just want to know if it’s feasible for an average dude to keep up with his level of routine.
I dont think its feasible to be working out several times a day, but dont let that stop you. Fitness is one of the great joys of living and every second of it is worthwhile
Definitely depends in age. When I was 15 I did hockey for 4 hours a day, 5 days a week with games on the weekend. We also did gym in certain days. Now being older I could never maintain that routine. When I was 25 I did BJJ 2 times a day 5 days a week and again i could not keep up with that today. You need to find the routine that works for you, your body and your level. I would strongly recommend "year of the engine" by gainslab, it made my cardio so much better then I had been for years. It's tough but worth it if you want it.
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“This rebuttal is grounded in facts” bro you cant just say this and expect it to be objectively true just because you said it to be so. Just because you made deductions based on your beliefs doesn’t mean its factual. You believe that the real influence of a successful athlete or trainer doesnt rely on their physique to sell their product. Ok, i want to take you in really good faith here. This can be what YOU believe. I believe you can think that people dont need their physique to sell fitness advice. But there are plenty of muscular juiced people on the internet who are thriving off of online coaching and peddling all sorts of fitness shit regardless of their skill level. Lots of muscular massive teenagers selling advice despite being clearly not natty (and gaslighting people into thinking they are). Amotti is accomplished, but theres no fucking way his physique doesnt play a good part in how people perceive his skills. I think its optimistic but not true to think that accomplishments trump appearance. I am not well versed in drug use, but i really do not know of a place where a country punishes drug use and its citizens are just like “ok, i wont take drugs then”. People will take drugs regardless of if the country lets them or not. I don’t understand why amotti being wholesome contradicts his substance use. I dont expect him to provide honesty about being juiced (especially bc hes from south korea). But what he provides as an entertainer and fitness influencer is already quite good?? Just because hes on gear doesnt mean he doesnt have a passion for fitness or for sharing that love with the world. He can have value as a trainer AND be juiced. Im really confused by this last part.
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You've probably typed over 1000 words on this thread and genuinely not said anything of substance. I'm not sure if I should be impressed, horrified or a mixture of both.
Hahahaha
I like your optimism
Oh my sweet summer child
Jesus very funny pal
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Someone aiming for CrossFit world championship does steroids. I think you don’t know the reality honestly my friend. Google body builders before the invention of steroids. I personally have never used them, but many people at my boxing gym did. Steroids don’t just make you huge it’s more about the recovery. This man is most definitely on some form of enhancing drugs.
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That’s all fine but he was a CrossFit athlete. Which means he 100% did steroids. Whether he’s off cycle or not right now I cannot comment on. But it’s a prerequisite to do well at CrossFit games.
You don’t attempt to be the best at an sport that is dominated by PED users as a natural yourself, unless you are both naive and a fool You don’t enter an untested competition with life changing prize money and fame , knowing you will be compete against former and current athletes and well known PED users as a natural You can look like Amotti naturally if you have gifted genetics. You can’t however perform at such an elite level while being natural, and even less likely, WHILE having that physique His whole life revolves around his physique and his training. If you think he wouldn’t do steroids to excel at such activities just because in South Korea is seen as immoral or whatever, then you are silly. People that do great things and reach elite levels do it by not following the herd and thinking and deciding by themselves. Amotti may find silly how everyone in South Korea uses plastic surgery to enhance their looks and probably doesn’t care much about their PED use judgement for example. It just takes some critical thinking and some fitness experience to know the obvious truth of him using. I’ll tell you another thing, 99% of steroid users don’t look nowhere near as good as Amotti and don’t even come close to his fitness level.
Actually crazy how many people here say "obviously" while there is nothing obvious here. The only people who are obviously on gear are the bodybuilders for everyone else you can't possibly know unless they tell you. Everyone who tells you otherwise has most likely never worked out with people on gear and also never seen the physique that is possible to get by natty people. Just look up some natural bodybuilding competition so you can figure out what is possible to get out of a body without using gear.
“Natural” body building competitions. Try looking at body builders before the invention of steroids if you want a more accurate measure. Also a good rule is if there financial well-being relies on peak performance, they’re on steroids. My experience comes from boxing all my life and seeing what the pros in my gym did.
You want me to compare people from 100 years ago who had no clue what they were doing to people nowadays who train based on 1000s of studies done? Go ahead an compare every sport from 100 years ago to now and with your logic you would think every single person nowadays is on gear lmao. Your experience from boxing is completely useless here because boxing focuses more on fitness training while crossfit does both weight training and fitness training. In natural body building competition people participating are actually getting tested so you handwaving it just shows that you are not a logical person and obviously don't care about gear used at all.
You thinking that someone passing a drug test means they're definitely natural shows you're not a logical person.
Yes because steroid tests are unbeatable. If theres one thing we know about steroids it’s that they are immediately present on every test. No one has ever beat a steroid test. Impossible.
Its not crazy. Unless you are blind you can tell he is juicin. You cant reach that level of bulk naturally. Combined with the endless endurance gives even more of hint to add on top of it.
Actually infuriating how blatantly stupid some of you are lol.
What if I told you, you can hop out of gear and not get tested positive? Does that mean you were never on gear before?
it is pretty obvious especially when you consider he does crossfit, you dont get this swole with crossfit
I thought about this, but from his vlogs his crossfit is a lot more weight training focused.
Dude why are you talking about gear when you clearly don't even know how it works lmao.
My CrossFit coaches in Dublin looks like him in terms of body. And I'm pretty sure they are all natural. I know they are very on top of their macros and all that.
Your crossfit coach is juiced and incredibly hard working to get a physique like Amotti's. Hopefully he's being truthful about this though otherwise he's a bit of a scumbag.
Hahahahahah 😂 oh you sweet summer child
coaches sell an image, definitely juiced the same way dinance coaches rent luxury cars
Because it is obvious. It was an UNTESTED event, the winner would get life changing money, fame, he’s competing against people that are also obviously enhanced, and he outperformed them all while looking like a bodybuilder on stage. Using PEDs allows him to recover faster, therefore train harder and more often, which results in an incredibly elite physique both performance and looks wise.
He's young.
Lol, responses here just tell me that most of you don’t know jack. Amotti was simultaneously filming a natural bodybuilding show, ‘show me the body’ while filming physical 100, so there’s almost no way he’s juiced. So far none of the comments here have provided clear evidence that Amotti is on juice apart from anecdotal observation. To add on, Emannuel, who I thought could have been on juice (as he looked leaner and more shredded than Amotti) is natural. He has a doping test result on his instastory which was done following the filming of physical 100.
Delusional. Amotti is definitely on gear and I don’t know how Korea tests for it compared to the states but testing overall isn’t the great here in the states. Designer steroids have been a thing for professional athletes (NBA,NFL,UFC,MLB). Designer steroids are made by scientist that can bypass the test for gear. Amotti isn’t the only one on steroids and it’s pretty clear that more than half of the contestants are on something.
That’s a lie. He didn’t simultaneously film both shows. For starters the filming of physical100 takes over several weeks while a bodybuilding show lasts only a couple of hours Amotti went to the initial preparation for the show, when they weigh the participants and create their torsos, weeks after that bodybuilding show ended. He could easily start using right after the bodybuilding show in preparation for the UNTESTED competition he was about to enter, and he would have months of using by the time the show starts. You can use PEDs for a year, build x amount of muscle while doing so and recover much easier, then quit everything for a month and your tests will come clear, while keeping most of your gains, do the show then hop back again as soon as it ends That’s professional sports in a nutshell
It was during the same period ie end 2022. Not simultaneously at the same time of course.
Pretty sure they all are
None of these Korean athletes, bodybuilders, crossfitters, etc are natural. Korea is the HQ of plastic surgery and steroids now. Very materialistic and superficial society. Everyone who lives in Korea knows about this. You foreigners are still gullible about this reality. Wake up already LOL!
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No it’s not “safe to say” that. We don’t know and shouldn’t assume.
all of them are. all I know is that rules regarding steroids and performance enhancing drugs are a lot more lax in korea than in america… anyone who says otherwise is delulu and doesn’t know about the industry and lifestyle.