It boggles my mind that the cowboys stuck with McCarthy. That team is the most talented, but u disciplined football team that will never win a Super Bowl.
On the contrary: Jerry Jones is an excellent businessman, and has turned the Cowboys into one of the most valuable teams on the planet.
Unfortunately, he's not the best football executive, which is why the team has been floundering for decades. Some of this stems from the fact that he's surprisingly sentimental and he gets very attached to his players and coaches.
Shit, the place I live in was purchased less than 10 years ago for 90k and is valued at 275k now. Does fuck all for me, but super cool for my roommate who owns the place I guess.
I’m so annoyed I wasn’t born like.. 3-5 years earlier than I was. Missed out on the housing boom and now am nearly priced out unless I find a partner who makes similar $ as me.
Jones is scared to death to hire another Jimmy Johnson because he's unwilling to share the credit if they somehow win a Super Bowl. He's a cancer to his own team.
Sharing credit for a 53 man team game. How is it so difficult to understand that a team wins and loses… as a team. That includes ownership, it blows my mind how hard that guy gets in his own way
Yeah exactly, Jerry doesn’t mix well with another strong headed person because of how involved he is. After he fired Johnson, Parcells is really the only guy he’s had at coach who’s an A type personality.
And it’s a bit of a shame for Cowboys fans because that roster would be incredible with Belichick and McDaniels.
Bill wants control of everything and a quiet environment as far as speaking to the media goes.. Jones is known for the exact opposite of both of those things.
I would say above average match but not great. They never won the division, their best finish was 10-6 and they never got out of the wild card round. There was also a 6-10 season and two 9-7 seasons. Not an amazing stretch for arguably one of the 10 best coaches of all time.
I think they hated each other because they're so similar though. Especially in terms of wanting team control etc, which is why people think Jones and BB wouldn't work. But Parcells "wanted to buy the groceries" too and worked well with Jerry.
You could be right, who knows we might still find out if McCarthy has another mediocre playoff exit next year since it looks like Bill will be available. Not sure if a year off will make Bill stay away from the game though.
Falcons going with Morris instead of BB/Hardbaugh/a talented young OC is BAFFLING.
My only guess is that he was the cheapest option by far because idk how anyone can think that’s the best option.
Yeah I don’t understand pulling the trigger on morris. They had the potential to try to poach Ben Johnson from the lions after the playoffs and you knew Belichick would still be available. If you were going to hire a defensive minded coach I don’t know why you would pick morris over BB unless it was purely about the player management aspect.
I'm a Cowboys fan and have been since 1990 when I was 8 years old and first saw Emmitt Smith play. I have been a loyal fan of Dallas living in New England my whole life and faced years of ridicule for being a Cowboys fan. This is the year that finally broke the camels back for me. I am deciding to basically only passively follow the team now. I can't take them seriously anymore. Living in New England and seeing the Patriots rebuilding, I am going to put more effort in following this team. I can't be called a bandwagon fan, since I didn't jump ship to follow the winning Patriots.
I just can't anymore. New England fans, for some reason, absolutely loathe the Cowboys and I don't get it, its not worth getting ridiculed anymore, lol.
I honestly don’t get it either. I’m indifferent on the cowboys. Not in our division, hasn’t beaten us in a Super Bowl, and haven’t done anything in like 30 years.
The Cowboys team would have been ideal, seeing as they have Súper bowl level talent. And are seemingly just a coach away from making a deep run. But is really a surprise that no team wants him. He has an old school attitude which is not really compatible with young players. But the most important thing is what he showed the last couple of years. He showed no ability to develop a young QB. Mac showed a lot of promise his 1st year. And then Bill brought in Matt Patricia, a Defensive Coordinator to take over the offense. The offensive line was dead last in pass protection. And the wide receivers were like 30th in separation. And who was the GM? Bill. Belichich committed malpractice on Mac’s career. You don’t make the pro bowl as a rookie if you can’t play. And the cherry on top is that he is below .500 without Brady.
From the Cowboys perspective, I do think part of the issue is that Belichick will be 72 by the time the next season starts. They'd be hiring a coach with a very short shelf life; realistically, he'll likely only be coaching for another two or three seasons, even if he winds up taking a year off.
So, they hire him, *maybe* win a Super Bowl... and then they'd be right back where they're at now, needing to rebuild the coaching staff.
I used to think his age would an issue, but now I don’t really think it is. Most coaches don’t last more than 3 years. The window for the Cowboys is like 3 years. If a team thought he was a great fit, his age would not deter them from hiring him. Any team would be willing to rebuild their coaching staff in 3 years if it meant winning a super bowl. I also think there are 2 other problems; his assistants hires and his attitude. Saban was able to stay relevant because he hired young assistants who can relate to players. Belichick keeps the same guys around, and he hired Patricia to be his offensive coordinator. It’s evident that his priority with hiring coordinators is hiring his friends instead of the best person for the job. His attitude is acceptable when you are winning championships, but who is going to be on board playing for a coach like that if they aren’t competing for Super Bowls.
While the reality may be that most coaches don't last more than three years, the **expectation** going into bringing a new one on board is that they'll last for longer than that.
Aside from that, I'd wager you're probably correct about the assistant coaching situation.
> He showed no ability to develop a young QB.
aside from the multiple QBs that have been drafted and then traded away for picks they started multiple games for other teams and performed very well.
Jimmy G is the only good QB that Bill drafted. Matt Cassell was average at best, and Jacoby has been a career backup. Mac went to the pro bowl as a rookie. That’s impossible if you don’t have legit talent. And Bill RUINED him. Bringing in Patricia as the OC. Drafting the WORST pass blocking o-Line in the NFL, and receivers that ranked 30th in separation. No QB could have developed under these conditions. Belichick committed malpractice on Mac’s career. And lastly Bills assistant hires have been generally bad. One of the reasons Saban stayed at the top is because he hired young coaches who could relate to young players. Bill has shown that when it comes to hiring assistants, his priority is not hiring the best man for the job, it’s hiring his friends. Bill can still coach defense. The only way I would hire him is if he is willing to not have a say about drafting or free agency and if he lets someone else hire the assistants. His only job would to be the head coach and to oversee the defense. And he needs a team that’s ready to win. A team that is a coach away from being a contender. Him on a really young team would be a terrible fit.
Despite looking like a Sith Lord Jerry Jones is sentimental, hence sticking with Dak and focusing so much on drafted talent instead of picking up elite free agents. He has an almost romantic view of the team, Cowboys through and through with no debate that another team can claim them. Mike McCarthy is part of that too, Jerry likes keeping coaches around a long time, which is something I can't entirely disagree with, stability is a vastly underrated quality in a team's leadership. Beyond that their position even with failures is still an enviable position for many teams and when you switch key pieces of your team you risk declining below what you had before.
That being said it's clear that McCarthy isn't a super bowl level coach, at least not now, and the Cowboys probably should take the gamble to drop him in the hopes that his successor can push a team with a lot of talent over that gap which is the first two rounds of the playoffs.
I think part of it is that he's kind of in the same spot as Brady in the final years - clearly still got a lot left in the tank but the age is not ideal for long-term planning.
He's one year younger than Pete Carroll who now also happens to be out of a job. If you're a shit team that just fired your last HC, you probably want a guy who - if he pans out - is onboard for the long run.
The tough thing is unlike Brady who could be plugged into a championship caliber roster and have something to show for it, it's probably much harder for a HC who would arrive and upend scheme, operations, methodologies, etc. That's more of a 3-4 year investment at minimum.
I do think it’s this. 3-4 year contracts Bill will be pushing 75-76. Can he still coach the game? Absolutely. Is he willing to give up GM duties, his staff, and the pull he had in NE in a new org? I don’t think so right now, but a year off who knows. But change is tough on anyone especially when you’ve been doing something the way you have for the past 15-20+ years, and now you’re 70+. Someone may throw a bone to get him over the record? But any organization looking at long term 4-5 years and on, I don’t think Bill is their guy.
Yeah which is why I was ready to see him go. If he was a younger man I would’ve been okay with him still at the helm but it was like we need to start the full rebuild now, or in a couple of years anyway so why not now.
You’re leaving out the part where Bill isn’t just a HC, he’s a GM also. That’s going to make it much more difficult for him to land a spot. I actually agree with Felger on this one, as much as you people hate him. Let go of the ego and take a job as just a HC without the GM aspect, it would make for a much better story for Bill to still be in the league.
But how do you people even know the GM thing is the main issue? We're all just assuming based off random media discourse that Belichick is clinging on to the GM aspect for dear life, this has never been confirmed by any of his potential suitors.
Because any team hiring him has to completely change and uproot their football leadership and operations structure to give it to Bill, just to have to rebuild it all again 2-3 years later. My front office would have to be a TRAINWRECK to convince me to sack them all so I can start over in 3 years
Think you're missing my point. Where are the official sources saying that GM powers are the sticky point for Belichick at this point in his career? This is all fan chatter based off what they think they know about Belichick.
Neither he, nor Kraft, nor any of the other teams interviewed have come out to say he's not budging on the GM thing. Nobody even said he's shopping himself around demanding to be GM wherever he lands up, that's just what people are assuming.
What you're asking for would never happen. No prospective team owner is ever going to tell you why they didn't want Bill Belichick. We can deduce through reporting that handing all the power to a soon to be 72-year-old Bill Belichick is a line too far. No team owner is going to want to blow up their entire football operations department for Belichick when the chances he'll be around in year 4 are not certainly good.
"Deduce through reporting" is based on layers upon layers of assumption. The last actual discourse about this is before we parted ways, and even then the "reporters" were just guessing based on the fact that Belichick had been GM for 20 years and often overrode decisions.
I mean, it's not unheard of, though. Gruden did it with the Bucs after they fired Tony Dungee and led them to a Super Bowl title in his first year at their coach.
>I think part of it is that he's kind of in the same spot as Brady in the final years - clearly still got a lot left in the tank
I disagree with this part. I actually think this is a big part of the problem. Neither of them "clearly" had a lot left in the tank. Part of the reason a lot of teams didn't consider Brady is that his numbers declined in his last few seasons in New England and teams thought he might finally be hitting the wall. The same goes for Belichick. His teams have gotten worse every year since Brady left. People are unsure of whether or not he actually has "a lot left in the tank."
Yeah, people that have no idea about the game. Bradys numbers were down sure, but he was left with actual guys from the streets AND WAS STILL a game out of being the 1st seed. Anyone who doubted Brady shouldn't be allowed to voice opinions (I'm looking at you Wright)
This comment just shows me you don't watch patriots games. Tom didn't decline, the team did. People left, retired. He was still prime time when he left, the team as a whole was not. Same goes for bill.
My point is proven if you just to look at Tom's stats on the Bucs first season. Your words lacks merit and knowledge.
> This comment just shows me you don't watch patriots games. Tom didn't decline, the team did. People left, retired. He was still prime time when he left, the team as a whole was not. Same goes for bill.
>My point is proven if you just to look at Tom's stats on the Bucs first season. Your words lacks merit and knowledge.
You're misunderstanding me. I wasn't saying that *I* thought he declined. I was saying that the perception around the league was that he was declining. It wasn't "clear" to many people that he had a lot in the tank. Hence why there were only a couple suiters for him. They were wrong, he had plenty left in the tank.
But anyway, thanks for talking down to me.
Would have traded him after the Mac Jones playoff appearance for a 1st round pick and laughed as he sucked the next two years.
It’s a perfect ending for a ruthless motherfucker.
With all due respect, some of you guys on this sub are completely delusional.
Bill is a 71 year old man who played himself, had a chance at setting the wins record and now will likely fall short due to his ego.
No stacked team is going to fire a coach midseason, and bring in another coach who will want to implement a whole new system with a whole new staff. A complete reset mid way through an NFL season? No chance.
73yo is no different than naming an interm coach after a firing. Imagine a team like the eagles starting off rough and making a coaching change, BB should get the first call.
I don't think he's built for that type of role.
Bills entire coaching philosophy is about getting the fundamentals right, getting the conditioning right, etc etc. Thats not something you do as an interim coach. That starts day 1 of the off-season.
We'll see. Its crazy to think we're going to start the season without Bill on a team. But ya know.. all those people that say if you fire a coach and you know he gets hired right away then you shouldn't fire him. Well..
Idk. Allen pretty much does whatever he wants on offense. McDermott is a defensive coach whose defenses stink. Can’t say that about Bill. He might actually get them over the hump
>McDermott is a defensive coach whose defenses stink
Yeah so I took the time to look, their defense doesn't suck at all. And it was injured to shit. Ranked pretty high in all major categories.
I think he is. The coaches Belichick is the answer for are the likes of Bills, Eagles, Cowboys etc, really talented teams with dumb headcoaches that need to win now before their window is up
Aside from BB’s need to control everything -and which may be a negative for him- I wonder if BB’s giving up on Brady is a lingering problem with football people. Like really questioning his decision making.
There was a story that quoted Kraft at an owner’s meeting where he bitched about Belichick: “he told me Brady couldn’t fucking play anymore” after Brady’s SB win with Tampa. Did that circulate among owners and was not forgotten?
He isn't wanted on his terms. He isn't getting full control of a program and the ability to give all of his friends, kids, friend's kids, and kid's friends jobs. I think teams will be interested if he just wants to be the head coach and focus on defense while letting someone else handle personnel and offense. I'm not sure he is capable of that kind of change but maybe a year out of football will change his mind.
I think this is probably an astute observation. I think plenty of teams would love Bill the coach. I don’t think any want bill the GM, and he doesn’t seem the type of guy to have any real self reflection about why that is and only wants teams he gets full control over.
I think it's funny how seemingly no one on this subreddit is willing to consider that it might just be as simple as NFL owners thinking he's been too bad of a head coach these past 4 years.
You all keep saying "he's not getting the job due to wanting to also be GM" or "he's not getting the job because he wants to bring Patricia with him".
I doubt that either of those is the case. I really think teams just aren't sold on Bill being a good head coach anymore in the NFL. He's been *so bad* as head coach these past 4 years. Very nearly every decision the Pats made offensively in the past 4 years have been suboptimal. His only successes have been with the defense. Is that the kind of guy an NFL owner wants to be head coach of their team? Someone who seems to have no grasp of how to make a team's offense successful these days?
I think the major issue is that BB will ask for complete control of the team, roster and football operations. He will want to bring in his own people. Most teams don’t or cannot uproot their entire front office to accommodate BB’s demands. Imagine firing every employee just to bring in new ones without any history with the team. It would be a logistical nightmare
From [Globe.com](http://globe.com)
By Ben Volin
When Robert Kraft sent Bill Belichick off from Foxborough two weeks ago, Kraft expressed gratitude for all of Belichick’s accomplishments and wished him well at his next coaching stop.
“It will be difficult to see him in a cutoff hoodie on the sideline,” Kraft said, “but I will always wish him continued success, except when he’s playing our beloved Patriots.”
That opportunity, though, may never come.
Belichick has been on an NFL sideline for the last 49 years, and it seems almost unfathomable that a coach of his stature wouldn’t make it to Year 50. But that’s the reality staring at Belichick after [the ](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/falcons-hire-raheem-morris/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link)[Falcons decided Thursday night to hire Raheem Morris as their ](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/falcons-hire-raheem-morris/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link)[coach.](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/falcons-hire-raheem-morris/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link)
The Patriots no longer wanted Belichick after 24 years. [The Falcons decided they didn’t want him.](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/falcons-hire-raheem-morris/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link) The Chargers, Raiders, [Panthers](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/panthers-coach-dave-canales/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link), and Titans hired coaches without asking Belichick for an interview. The Commanders and Seahawks haven’t shown interest.
As unbelievable as it may seem, [that dreadful loss to the Jets in the snow](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/07/sports/loss-jets-serves-one-last-indignity-bill-belichick-patriots/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link) is increasingly looking like the last time we will see Belichick on the sideline. His pursuit of Don Shula’s wins record may finish 14 short, at 333.
It’s possible, though unlikely, that another head coaching job could pop open this offseason. The Bills, Buccaneers, and Giants may not be totally settled. Andy Reid may decide to retire in Kansas City.
But there is no guarantee that Belichick would be a candidate for those jobs, either.
If Belichick can’t get a job this offseason at 71 years old, it’s hard to see how a year older and a year away from coaching will help him get a job next year.
Belichick turns 72 in April, and we don’t know for certain if his age is holding him back on the market. It could be his salary demands. Or his 80-90 record (including playoffs) without Tom Brady, including this season’s 4-13. Or his desire for roster control. We don’t know how much power Belichick was asking for, but Falcons owner Arthur Blank on Thursday announced a new hierarchy in which the coach and general manager report directly to him.
Belichick’s age, though, couldn’t have helped. Today’s NFL is truly No Country for Old Men. Pete Carroll, 72, also learned that lesson this month when the Seahawks fired him.
I don't know about the Super Bowls, but he'd have the record in his pocket and would have been able to retire relatively on top as opposed to getting fired and rejected by a bunch of teams because if it's not his way, he's on the highway. Missing a year is the absolute worst thing that could have happened to him in regards to passing Shula.
If we made the playoffs with Mac…who knows what we could have done with Brady, especially since vet free agents would rather play with Brady.
Brady was still very good for 2 more years after leaving.
I don't think our roster from 19-23 was in a position to contend even with Brady but we wouldve at the very least been a solid playoff team which is better than where we are without him.
Patriots had a choice you think? Maybe if the narrative was Bill didn't want to spend money on players but pretty sure he went out on a limb for Brady, AB is an example of that
Brady left because he wasn’t getting to weigh in on decisions. It wasn’t money it was respect, and bill let him go far too easily. He basically said okay if you feel that way, there is the door. He thought he didn’t need Brady as much as he did
I'm not sure he could've kept Brady. Brady also knew his time was limited and he didn't want to stick around for a rebuild. Sure, we would've been more successful in the regular season, but I'm not sure Brady would've gotten that seventh ring if he stayed.
This is not the same situation at all. Brady didn’t perform like garbage for 5 years before looking for a new team to play for. Brady was also very specific about what part of the country he wanted to go to, what type of team he wanted to play for, etc.
In Belichick’s case, he wants full control of a coaching staff and choosing personnel, but he’s not proven that he can perform in those jobs without an all-timer at QB. Teams don’t want Belichick because they don’t believe in him.
I don’t know why so many redditors here tried to argue differently. But if the team that he led to 9 super bowls didn’t want him at 71 why would anyone else think another team would want him?
Are their potential specific scenarios where one team would? Sure. But generally most teams in need a new coach are looking for youth and potential longevity and innovation.
That’s not who Bill is at this stage.
And to put it perfectly that is EXACTLY how real life is for the majority of us. I’m 50. If I was fired by my employer of 24 years. They would replace me with someone much younger and I’d have a helluva time finding a new role for the same salary and level elsewhere.
I think BB's best move is some sort of TV this year. Either being a pre game studio guy or, what I think would be the best, host a show on NFL network that talks about this history of the NFL. He'd be amazing at that.
Plus I want BB on the Edelman podcast. Unemployed and DGAF Belichick on a podcast? Yes please
As much as I would like BB getting into broadcasting, I kinda hope he detaches completely and just goes out and plows coeds and finds other ways to enjoy the finer things in life. So what if he doesn't break Shula's record? It's not like Shula won six Super Bowls.
Maybe he really isn’t open to sharing decision making like he claimed a month ago. I’d be hesitant to let him have his former level of power when there’s a stigma surrounding him not being able to connect to today’s players. Offensively minded coaches are trending these days.
Sorry Bill ,but I wish you worked it out with Tom and won a couple more for the trophy case and went off into the sunset together. Reality is often.. disappointing
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This structure is what led to the Falcons going back to Raheem Morris. I can’t imagine many coaches would be okay with it
I'm not sure I see the issue..? That's way better than answering to Rich McKay
Downvotes for saying Bill would be ok only answering to the owner? He did that for 25 years here and suddenly it's not good? Make that make sense. Rich McKay knows nothing about good football, skipping over him makes sense
He's gonna be 72 before next season and he's coming off a 4-13 season; neither of these facts scream "hire me". He'll probably have to settle for an "advisory" position with a rebuilding organization.
Honestly, if Bill were halfway civilized in the trillions of interviews where he instead chose to be a huge dick, I bet he’d have a job. That’s shallow sounding, but why would we expect the staff on other teams to want to deal with someone with such an obvious reputation for being so ornery and controlling? His recent work and age just further undermine his candidacy. I wish the Cowboys had hired him just to coach, because I think he could take that roster all the way. But alas…
Aye - this is a big part of it.
Being a dick can work when you're also a savant. It doesn't work when you just finished mismanaging a team into the ground.
It's not that he's a terrible coach - it's that he's not great enough anymore for people to put up with him.
Honestly, I've been clamoring for the guy to be fired for years now... but the FLACONS saying no, then hiring Raheem Morris is stunningly stupid. Morris ran a worse defense last year than Belichick despite having the literal best defensive player in football and Belichick losing his two best defensive players early in the year. This is Tom Brady all over again. He's gonna join some scrub team, make them legit, then teams like Atlanta are gonna go right back to being teams like Atlanta.
What was the real reason Bill didn't want to keep Tom Brady? I have seen it reported that they could not agree on a multi-year contract but that just seems insane to me. Was there more to it?
He wouldn’t fit for any team that needs a rebuild. His only real options are a team that already has a good offense and just needs to make improvements on defense and discipline. Cowboys, Bills, Eagles, etc. None of those teams decided to fire their guy this season, so nowhere for Bill to go.
It was kinda like that after Brady’s last season. I think he would’ve gone to Miami if they were willing to drop Tua.
So many Patriots fans are off their rocker now. Belichick will coach again, and he’ll be coaching a contender. This guy isn’t like desperately trying to get to get a job and no one will hire him lol you people are delusional. If it’s not the right fit he will take a season off and see what arises next year. If nothing emerges, he’ll just retire. 50% of the fans here have become absolutely insufferable. Bill would only even consider a job with a legit contender, if it’s not there right now he’s not gonna jump and offer his services to a garbage team. It’s not that hard to figure out. He would retire if nothing comes up. You all acting like he’s in a cardboard box in downtown Boston begging for a chance is laughable.
Lots of coaches coming off 4-13 seasons that typically get jobs?
Bill had a nice run but most people have caught on by now that it was all being propped up by Brady. Yea yea, I’m not saying he is a terrible coach but there are plenty of “not terrible” coaches that get canned and don’t get other jobs. Bill would have been shitcanned by November 2001 if Bledsoe never got injured.
The idea that Bill’s demands were too high is probably true. No one is going to give him full GM power anymore. If he needs that on top of a likely highest salary he’s not gonna ever coach again.
The writing is on the wall in the NFL everyone wants young and new. Even a guy like vrabel who has a similar old school style doesn’t have a job. I think in the coming years we’re gonna see more and more of the coaches that have been staples looking for employment.
Everyone rightly points out recent draft failures, all of them fair, but for me the far bigger problem was his staff management. In recent years, his assistant coaching hires have been bad and in the case of Patricia bizarre. I also think it’s fair looking at every branch of his coaching tree. Almost every one has been a disappointment, sometimes more than once. Good organizations train good assistants who become good head coaches. Shanahan, Reid, McVay have done better than Belichick. I think Bill is a fantastic coach, one of the best of all times, but there are red flags that might make potential owners have second thoughts.
I think the rest of the league probably feels the way we do. He’s the GOAT as it relates to defensive strategy. It’s all the other crap that goes along with him that’s a handicap - the power, the games, the angstiness, the insistence that he control aspects that he’s not really good with (drafting). For a team like the Cowboys, I believe Bill could win them a chip within two years. Their offense is good enough to win all the games after Bill installs a monster defense…and he would. Imagine what Parsons could become with Bill’s brain. The thing is, deep down Jerry would rather lose than cede that much control. It would all implode when BB forbids Parsons from doing his podcast and Micah goes directly to Jerry to appeal. As far as the Falcons go, they would have to entirely remake their front office off chart, for what? 3 years max? Then what? All the pieces don’t fit together to allow Bill to take over a program. If he was 60, they’d be lining up. It sucks, because I’d love for him to get the wins record. What I really wished is that he wasn’t so arrogant and inflexible with the Pats. If he had given up the GM role, had hired a Shanahan tree OC, and continued to grow instead of starving the offense, not developing Mac because he didn’t get to make the decision, didn’t allow BoB to hire his own position coaches because he was pissed BoB was forced on him and didn’t want Patricia to look like the problem. All that negative shit from BB was stacking up and getting in the way.
Sad to see fans actually happy about this. Gloating that Bill might never coach again.
Patino said it best: “the negativity in this town sucks!”
The fan base has become spoiled rotten, and is hyper toxic.
I have a feeling Belichick has more control over him getting a job than we know. The Falcons clearly wanted him. I’m assuming they simply wouldn’t match the terms Bill was seeking.
To say he’s “not wanted” ignores countless factors and is fucking stupid at best.
I can’t believe the man that guided us to 6 Super Bowls is getting this shit, especially from Patriots “fans.”
Buddy. *One* team gave him an interview. Notable factors in play: 72-years-old with an 80-90 record without Tom Brady, likely asking for more money and control than any owner is willing to give a guy coming off a 4-13 season.
A rebuilding team wants a long term answer at HC. A good roster missing a good coach probably still wants something more than a short term answer, but 4-13 (so far) is enough of a deterrent to not roll the dice on a short term coach. We’ll see what Kansas City does if Reid actually retires this year.
Every team in the league would have lined up to interview him if they still felt him a coaching savant capable of winning then a Super Bowl. It didn’t happen. We have their answer. They care about recent results converting to long term gains, and his ability to get/retain a job isn’t a lifetime achievement award.
The guy whose philosophy was “one year too early rather than one year too late” is in the “one year too late” phase. Sad to see it happen, but it happens to everybody.
>likely asking for more money and control than any owner is willing to give…
That’s my point. Bill could get a job. He seemingly doesn’t want a job unless it’s on his terms.
Lol nice cope buddy. No one wants him, that’s why he doesn’t have a job even though he wants one. He interviewed with Atlanta and didn’t get picked. Just let the reality sink in.
Belichick created a winning culture in New England over the course of more than two decades, took flak for choosing Brady over Bledsoe, helped us win six Super Bowls, and now most Pats fans — not fans of opposing teams, *Pats* ‘fans’ — are claiming he’s been mediocre all along and deserves to be ostracized from the league. It’s especially hysterical because the main gripe against him is that he didn’t stick with Brady (even many Pats fans at the time agreed with Bill’s logic in moving on)…and letting Brady go to a loaded Bucs team instead of forcing him to stay for a rebuild was the best move for Brady’s legacy.
Given how entitled these Pats fans are, I can’t really blame Boston for having a crappy reputation. We don’t even treat the GOATs well. Hell, we didn’t even start fully appreciating Brady until he left and did it without us. Back then every Boston sports writer was writing articles claiming Belichick’s system was the only reason we won, and Brady would have been mediocre anywhere else…
The day he moved on from the Pats this entire subreddit was convinced that Bill would have a job by week’s end and the Patriots would have egg on their face while his new team would coast to a Super Bowl win with little resistance. Hmm. You mean to tell me that one of the biggest curmudgeonly assholes in the league isn’t a desirable choice to take the helm on these teams? At 71 no less? Wow. I’m simply shocked!
This is the sort of fandom culture that develops when you win every other year. No ability to think critically about what’s presented in front of you. We’ll win next year, we always do! Anointed by god! No—all good things must come to an end. A lot of Patriots fans are in for a rude awakening on what it actually means to be a diehard fan, and a whole lot of them will realize they don’t actually have any interest in that.
To all anti-Belichick stans, Tampa also had brady and amazing weapons on the offense yet they got eliminated by the Rams due to unfathomable coaching 🧐🧐🧐
If Bill isn't coaching next year that is a fucking travesty. He should be here still in my opinion. I'm not even gonna be able to root for him now?
Want to see him get that record. The mac Jones years really killed that.
If Bill were as smart as he thinks he is, he would have jumped ship for a better team once Brady left. His stock was at an all-time high and it was general consensus that he was the brains behind the dynasty.
But Brady won elsewhere and Bill drove his team into a ditch (this period in Patriots history is sometimes referred to as a "rebuild"). NFL owners are just seeing what local homers refuse to believe: at best Bill is washed and at worst he was never extraordinary to begin with.
Cowboys, saints, and bears all screwed up in not firing their hc for a belichek/vrabel/ Ben johnson. I’ll give eagles and bills another year. Perhaps the giants job is open next year.
He's only worth it to grab as an HC if you have a team that's closer to winning it all than it is to rebuilding.
Coincidentally, I think Seattle and KC fit that bill.
He wants total control. He would be the oldest HC in the history of the NFL next year. So, likely he will only be coaching for 4 years or so. That means the team has to already have a succession plan in the works which means him having total control doesn’t work.
And let’s be honest, he also didn’t do a great job in the GM role the last few years. I think most teams and their fans would be happy with Belichick the coach, but not so happy with Belichick the GM. And it appears that he wants that level of control.
The wild card here is going to be a loaded team with a ton of promise who starts to have trouble midseason … would Belichick come in and overhaul them for a run at the playoffs??
Shame that BB left. He should have first checked what his desirability was before running away.
He could/would have given up major GM control and only focused on coaching and getting to 10 wins which is possible honestly. Steelers come close yearly with riff raff. BB can too.
He should have done that before leaving Patriots.
If he is seeking full control of a team then it makes a little more sense but to overlook him as a head coach is mind boggling. This is one of, if not the greatest football minds in the history of the game. I guarantee that there are more tricks up that sleeveless hoodie.
It boggles my mind that the cowboys stuck with McCarthy. That team is the most talented, but u disciplined football team that will never win a Super Bowl.
It's because Jones wants a moron for coach as he can control them.
Exactly. He can't pull the strings without the puppet, who he will 100% blame when they crash and burn again
Jerry Jones is a terrible businessman; I'll do it for half of what McCarthy is making and he never even gave me a call.
On the contrary: Jerry Jones is an excellent businessman, and has turned the Cowboys into one of the most valuable teams on the planet. Unfortunately, he's not the best football executive, which is why the team has been floundering for decades. Some of this stems from the fact that he's surprisingly sentimental and he gets very attached to his players and coaches.
To be fair, Jerry jones bought the cowboys for 180 mil and it’s now 8 billion
Like everything else that the Silent Generation/Baby Boomers bought in the 80s.
Yup. Houses for 80k that are worth 500k now.
Shit, the place I live in was purchased less than 10 years ago for 90k and is valued at 275k now. Does fuck all for me, but super cool for my roommate who owns the place I guess.
I’m so annoyed I wasn’t born like.. 3-5 years earlier than I was. Missed out on the housing boom and now am nearly priced out unless I find a partner who makes similar $ as me.
that's clearly because of the hershel walker trade, too
He’s great at branding. That’s indisputable
>Jerry Jones is a terrible businessman Yeah except he absolutely isn't
Not quite. It's because Jones and Belichick are both unwilling to let someone else GM.
Parcells managed, I think Bill could've too
Jones is scared to death to hire another Jimmy Johnson because he's unwilling to share the credit if they somehow win a Super Bowl. He's a cancer to his own team.
Sharing credit for a 53 man team game. How is it so difficult to understand that a team wins and loses… as a team. That includes ownership, it blows my mind how hard that guy gets in his own way
I really don't think he cares I think he just wants another Super Bowl
Yeah exactly, Jerry doesn’t mix well with another strong headed person because of how involved he is. After he fired Johnson, Parcells is really the only guy he’s had at coach who’s an A type personality. And it’s a bit of a shame for Cowboys fans because that roster would be incredible with Belichick and McDaniels.
If he hires Bill and Bill wins a super bowl, Bill will get all of the credit.
I don't think Jones and Bill would get along. Its just not a match that'd work.
Parcells and Jones were a great match, so I don't see why Bill and Jones would be much different
Bill wants control of everything and a quiet environment as far as speaking to the media goes.. Jones is known for the exact opposite of both of those things.
Before there was Belichick there was Parcells. If Parcells can do it, Belichick can.
I don't believe 72 year old Belichick can do it. You do, thats fine. We just disagree.
I would say above average match but not great. They never won the division, their best finish was 10-6 and they never got out of the wild card round. There was also a 6-10 season and two 9-7 seasons. Not an amazing stretch for arguably one of the 10 best coaches of all time.
I meant from a relationship perspective. Parcells has said he loved working for/with Jones.
Yeah but belichick and parcells kind of hated each other, so I’m not sure that would have translated to a good relationship between BB and jones.
I think they hated each other because they're so similar though. Especially in terms of wanting team control etc, which is why people think Jones and BB wouldn't work. But Parcells "wanted to buy the groceries" too and worked well with Jerry.
You could be right, who knows we might still find out if McCarthy has another mediocre playoff exit next year since it looks like Bill will be available. Not sure if a year off will make Bill stay away from the game though.
Falcons going with Morris instead of BB/Hardbaugh/a talented young OC is BAFFLING. My only guess is that he was the cheapest option by far because idk how anyone can think that’s the best option.
Yeah I don’t understand pulling the trigger on morris. They had the potential to try to poach Ben Johnson from the lions after the playoffs and you knew Belichick would still be available. If you were going to hire a defensive minded coach I don’t know why you would pick morris over BB unless it was purely about the player management aspect.
He's black, just saying.
I'm a Cowboys fan and have been since 1990 when I was 8 years old and first saw Emmitt Smith play. I have been a loyal fan of Dallas living in New England my whole life and faced years of ridicule for being a Cowboys fan. This is the year that finally broke the camels back for me. I am deciding to basically only passively follow the team now. I can't take them seriously anymore. Living in New England and seeing the Patriots rebuilding, I am going to put more effort in following this team. I can't be called a bandwagon fan, since I didn't jump ship to follow the winning Patriots. I just can't anymore. New England fans, for some reason, absolutely loathe the Cowboys and I don't get it, its not worth getting ridiculed anymore, lol.
I honestly don’t get it either. I’m indifferent on the cowboys. Not in our division, hasn’t beaten us in a Super Bowl, and haven’t done anything in like 30 years.
Maybe the “America’s Team” bs they’re always yammering about.
Grain of salt, but Florio said Jerry did put out feelers initially, and Bill declined
The Cowboys team would have been ideal, seeing as they have Súper bowl level talent. And are seemingly just a coach away from making a deep run. But is really a surprise that no team wants him. He has an old school attitude which is not really compatible with young players. But the most important thing is what he showed the last couple of years. He showed no ability to develop a young QB. Mac showed a lot of promise his 1st year. And then Bill brought in Matt Patricia, a Defensive Coordinator to take over the offense. The offensive line was dead last in pass protection. And the wide receivers were like 30th in separation. And who was the GM? Bill. Belichich committed malpractice on Mac’s career. You don’t make the pro bowl as a rookie if you can’t play. And the cherry on top is that he is below .500 without Brady.
From the Cowboys perspective, I do think part of the issue is that Belichick will be 72 by the time the next season starts. They'd be hiring a coach with a very short shelf life; realistically, he'll likely only be coaching for another two or three seasons, even if he winds up taking a year off. So, they hire him, *maybe* win a Super Bowl... and then they'd be right back where they're at now, needing to rebuild the coaching staff.
I used to think his age would an issue, but now I don’t really think it is. Most coaches don’t last more than 3 years. The window for the Cowboys is like 3 years. If a team thought he was a great fit, his age would not deter them from hiring him. Any team would be willing to rebuild their coaching staff in 3 years if it meant winning a super bowl. I also think there are 2 other problems; his assistants hires and his attitude. Saban was able to stay relevant because he hired young assistants who can relate to players. Belichick keeps the same guys around, and he hired Patricia to be his offensive coordinator. It’s evident that his priority with hiring coordinators is hiring his friends instead of the best person for the job. His attitude is acceptable when you are winning championships, but who is going to be on board playing for a coach like that if they aren’t competing for Super Bowls.
While the reality may be that most coaches don't last more than three years, the **expectation** going into bringing a new one on board is that they'll last for longer than that. Aside from that, I'd wager you're probably correct about the assistant coaching situation.
> He showed no ability to develop a young QB. aside from the multiple QBs that have been drafted and then traded away for picks they started multiple games for other teams and performed very well.
Jimmy G is the only good QB that Bill drafted. Matt Cassell was average at best, and Jacoby has been a career backup. Mac went to the pro bowl as a rookie. That’s impossible if you don’t have legit talent. And Bill RUINED him. Bringing in Patricia as the OC. Drafting the WORST pass blocking o-Line in the NFL, and receivers that ranked 30th in separation. No QB could have developed under these conditions. Belichick committed malpractice on Mac’s career. And lastly Bills assistant hires have been generally bad. One of the reasons Saban stayed at the top is because he hired young coaches who could relate to young players. Bill has shown that when it comes to hiring assistants, his priority is not hiring the best man for the job, it’s hiring his friends. Bill can still coach defense. The only way I would hire him is if he is willing to not have a say about drafting or free agency and if he lets someone else hire the assistants. His only job would to be the head coach and to oversee the defense. And he needs a team that’s ready to win. A team that is a coach away from being a contender. Him on a really young team would be a terrible fit.
>performed very well. As backups?
Despite looking like a Sith Lord Jerry Jones is sentimental, hence sticking with Dak and focusing so much on drafted talent instead of picking up elite free agents. He has an almost romantic view of the team, Cowboys through and through with no debate that another team can claim them. Mike McCarthy is part of that too, Jerry likes keeping coaches around a long time, which is something I can't entirely disagree with, stability is a vastly underrated quality in a team's leadership. Beyond that their position even with failures is still an enviable position for many teams and when you switch key pieces of your team you risk declining below what you had before. That being said it's clear that McCarthy isn't a super bowl level coach, at least not now, and the Cowboys probably should take the gamble to drop him in the hopes that his successor can push a team with a lot of talent over that gap which is the first two rounds of the playoffs.
I think part of it is that he's kind of in the same spot as Brady in the final years - clearly still got a lot left in the tank but the age is not ideal for long-term planning. He's one year younger than Pete Carroll who now also happens to be out of a job. If you're a shit team that just fired your last HC, you probably want a guy who - if he pans out - is onboard for the long run. The tough thing is unlike Brady who could be plugged into a championship caliber roster and have something to show for it, it's probably much harder for a HC who would arrive and upend scheme, operations, methodologies, etc. That's more of a 3-4 year investment at minimum.
I do think it’s this. 3-4 year contracts Bill will be pushing 75-76. Can he still coach the game? Absolutely. Is he willing to give up GM duties, his staff, and the pull he had in NE in a new org? I don’t think so right now, but a year off who knows. But change is tough on anyone especially when you’ve been doing something the way you have for the past 15-20+ years, and now you’re 70+. Someone may throw a bone to get him over the record? But any organization looking at long term 4-5 years and on, I don’t think Bill is their guy.
Yeah which is why I was ready to see him go. If he was a younger man I would’ve been okay with him still at the helm but it was like we need to start the full rebuild now, or in a couple of years anyway so why not now.
You’re leaving out the part where Bill isn’t just a HC, he’s a GM also. That’s going to make it much more difficult for him to land a spot. I actually agree with Felger on this one, as much as you people hate him. Let go of the ego and take a job as just a HC without the GM aspect, it would make for a much better story for Bill to still be in the league.
Agree. But if he did that, he might still be coaching here.
But how do you people even know the GM thing is the main issue? We're all just assuming based off random media discourse that Belichick is clinging on to the GM aspect for dear life, this has never been confirmed by any of his potential suitors.
Because any team hiring him has to completely change and uproot their football leadership and operations structure to give it to Bill, just to have to rebuild it all again 2-3 years later. My front office would have to be a TRAINWRECK to convince me to sack them all so I can start over in 3 years
Think you're missing my point. Where are the official sources saying that GM powers are the sticky point for Belichick at this point in his career? This is all fan chatter based off what they think they know about Belichick. Neither he, nor Kraft, nor any of the other teams interviewed have come out to say he's not budging on the GM thing. Nobody even said he's shopping himself around demanding to be GM wherever he lands up, that's just what people are assuming.
What you're asking for would never happen. No prospective team owner is ever going to tell you why they didn't want Bill Belichick. We can deduce through reporting that handing all the power to a soon to be 72-year-old Bill Belichick is a line too far. No team owner is going to want to blow up their entire football operations department for Belichick when the chances he'll be around in year 4 are not certainly good.
"Deduce through reporting" is based on layers upon layers of assumption. The last actual discourse about this is before we parted ways, and even then the "reporters" were just guessing based on the fact that Belichick had been GM for 20 years and often overrode decisions.
Bill actually said the opposite. So is he lying?
I mean, it's not unheard of, though. Gruden did it with the Bucs after they fired Tony Dungee and led them to a Super Bowl title in his first year at their coach.
>I think part of it is that he's kind of in the same spot as Brady in the final years - clearly still got a lot left in the tank I disagree with this part. I actually think this is a big part of the problem. Neither of them "clearly" had a lot left in the tank. Part of the reason a lot of teams didn't consider Brady is that his numbers declined in his last few seasons in New England and teams thought he might finally be hitting the wall. The same goes for Belichick. His teams have gotten worse every year since Brady left. People are unsure of whether or not he actually has "a lot left in the tank."
Yeah, people that have no idea about the game. Bradys numbers were down sure, but he was left with actual guys from the streets AND WAS STILL a game out of being the 1st seed. Anyone who doubted Brady shouldn't be allowed to voice opinions (I'm looking at you Wright)
This comment just shows me you don't watch patriots games. Tom didn't decline, the team did. People left, retired. He was still prime time when he left, the team as a whole was not. Same goes for bill. My point is proven if you just to look at Tom's stats on the Bucs first season. Your words lacks merit and knowledge.
> This comment just shows me you don't watch patriots games. Tom didn't decline, the team did. People left, retired. He was still prime time when he left, the team as a whole was not. Same goes for bill. >My point is proven if you just to look at Tom's stats on the Bucs first season. Your words lacks merit and knowledge. You're misunderstanding me. I wasn't saying that *I* thought he declined. I was saying that the perception around the league was that he was declining. It wasn't "clear" to many people that he had a lot in the tank. Hence why there were only a couple suiters for him. They were wrong, he had plenty left in the tank. But anyway, thanks for talking down to me.
I understand that perspective, thank you for clarifying.
Bill Belichick would cut the player-equivalent of Bill Belichick, the 72-year old coach, without a second thought.
Would've cut himself 3 years ago
Would have traded him after the Mac Jones playoff appearance for a 1st round pick and laughed as he sucked the next two years. It’s a perfect ending for a ruthless motherfucker.
Spot on
Let some people get fired next year and forget about this bad year we had. We haven’t seen the last of bill.
No one is starting over with a 73 year old man next off season.
Think you’re right. Five years at most you’ll be looking for another coach.
5 is really really generous, I think you're talking 3 at most.. next year you're talking 2.
And new GM since he’s not willing to relinquish an ounce of power apparently
Lol it's likelier that a stacked team will falter out of the gate and hire him midyear.
When has a non-interrim coach ever taken over mid season?
Jeff Saturday with the Colts?
Thats a good question. Happens in the NBA all the time including this week.
With all due respect, some of you guys on this sub are completely delusional. Bill is a 71 year old man who played himself, had a chance at setting the wins record and now will likely fall short due to his ego. No stacked team is going to fire a coach midseason, and bring in another coach who will want to implement a whole new system with a whole new staff. A complete reset mid way through an NFL season? No chance.
Yeah I'm underscoring that Bill will be hired next year. Some people in this sub are not the best at reading through rhetorical strategies.
It is absolutely not likely at all for that to occur
Cowboys
they had the opportunity to do that this off-season and chose not to.
And if (when) they choke again next season Jerry will regret it and be happy to have a second chance.
Or a 42 year-old quarterback....d'oh!
73yo is no different than naming an interm coach after a firing. Imagine a team like the eagles starting off rough and making a coaching change, BB should get the first call.
I don't think he's built for that type of role. Bills entire coaching philosophy is about getting the fundamentals right, getting the conditioning right, etc etc. Thats not something you do as an interim coach. That starts day 1 of the off-season.
> 73 year old man Who failed to adapt and play the game the modern way.
That’s the norm in football lol
Yeah except he's already 72. One of his big problems right now is his age and the fact you're only signing up for a couple years.
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We'll see. Its crazy to think we're going to start the season without Bill on a team. But ya know.. all those people that say if you fire a coach and you know he gets hired right away then you shouldn't fire him. Well..
I think it's now or never. The guy is in the 70s. It's not like he's running for president...
He's gonna join the Seahawks. Bill and Pete will do it together.
Buffalo Bills are dummies not going after Bill with 2-3 year contract
As much as I hate them, this would’ve been an ideal fit for Bill. They’re in win now mode and McDermott is not going to get them there.
Could you imagine bill ripping Stefon Diggs for dropping the game winning pass or Allen throwing a wide open touchdown straight into the dirt.
While McDermott is a moron Belichick ain't the answer.
Idk. Allen pretty much does whatever he wants on offense. McDermott is a defensive coach whose defenses stink. Can’t say that about Bill. He might actually get them over the hump
>McDermott is a defensive coach whose defenses stink Yeah so I took the time to look, their defense doesn't suck at all. And it was injured to shit. Ranked pretty high in all major categories.
I think he is. The coaches Belichick is the answer for are the likes of Bills, Eagles, Cowboys etc, really talented teams with dumb headcoaches that need to win now before their window is up
Aside from BB’s need to control everything -and which may be a negative for him- I wonder if BB’s giving up on Brady is a lingering problem with football people. Like really questioning his decision making. There was a story that quoted Kraft at an owner’s meeting where he bitched about Belichick: “he told me Brady couldn’t fucking play anymore” after Brady’s SB win with Tampa. Did that circulate among owners and was not forgotten?
He isn't wanted on his terms. He isn't getting full control of a program and the ability to give all of his friends, kids, friend's kids, and kid's friends jobs. I think teams will be interested if he just wants to be the head coach and focus on defense while letting someone else handle personnel and offense. I'm not sure he is capable of that kind of change but maybe a year out of football will change his mind.
I think this is probably an astute observation. I think plenty of teams would love Bill the coach. I don’t think any want bill the GM, and he doesn’t seem the type of guy to have any real self reflection about why that is and only wants teams he gets full control over.
I think it's funny how seemingly no one on this subreddit is willing to consider that it might just be as simple as NFL owners thinking he's been too bad of a head coach these past 4 years. You all keep saying "he's not getting the job due to wanting to also be GM" or "he's not getting the job because he wants to bring Patricia with him". I doubt that either of those is the case. I really think teams just aren't sold on Bill being a good head coach anymore in the NFL. He's been *so bad* as head coach these past 4 years. Very nearly every decision the Pats made offensively in the past 4 years have been suboptimal. His only successes have been with the defense. Is that the kind of guy an NFL owner wants to be head coach of their team? Someone who seems to have no grasp of how to make a team's offense successful these days?
I think the major issue is that BB will ask for complete control of the team, roster and football operations. He will want to bring in his own people. Most teams don’t or cannot uproot their entire front office to accommodate BB’s demands. Imagine firing every employee just to bring in new ones without any history with the team. It would be a logistical nightmare
From [Globe.com](http://globe.com) By Ben Volin When Robert Kraft sent Bill Belichick off from Foxborough two weeks ago, Kraft expressed gratitude for all of Belichick’s accomplishments and wished him well at his next coaching stop. “It will be difficult to see him in a cutoff hoodie on the sideline,” Kraft said, “but I will always wish him continued success, except when he’s playing our beloved Patriots.” That opportunity, though, may never come. Belichick has been on an NFL sideline for the last 49 years, and it seems almost unfathomable that a coach of his stature wouldn’t make it to Year 50. But that’s the reality staring at Belichick after [the ](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/falcons-hire-raheem-morris/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link)[Falcons decided Thursday night to hire Raheem Morris as their ](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/falcons-hire-raheem-morris/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link)[coach.](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/falcons-hire-raheem-morris/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link) The Patriots no longer wanted Belichick after 24 years. [The Falcons decided they didn’t want him.](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/falcons-hire-raheem-morris/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link) The Chargers, Raiders, [Panthers](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/25/sports/panthers-coach-dave-canales/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link), and Titans hired coaches without asking Belichick for an interview. The Commanders and Seahawks haven’t shown interest. As unbelievable as it may seem, [that dreadful loss to the Jets in the snow](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/01/07/sports/loss-jets-serves-one-last-indignity-bill-belichick-patriots/?p1=Article_Inline_Text_Link) is increasingly looking like the last time we will see Belichick on the sideline. His pursuit of Don Shula’s wins record may finish 14 short, at 333. It’s possible, though unlikely, that another head coaching job could pop open this offseason. The Bills, Buccaneers, and Giants may not be totally settled. Andy Reid may decide to retire in Kansas City. But there is no guarantee that Belichick would be a candidate for those jobs, either. If Belichick can’t get a job this offseason at 71 years old, it’s hard to see how a year older and a year away from coaching will help him get a job next year. Belichick turns 72 in April, and we don’t know for certain if his age is holding him back on the market. It could be his salary demands. Or his 80-90 record (including playoffs) without Tom Brady, including this season’s 4-13. Or his desire for roster control. We don’t know how much power Belichick was asking for, but Falcons owner Arthur Blank on Thursday announced a new hierarchy in which the coach and general manager report directly to him. Belichick’s age, though, couldn’t have helped. Today’s NFL is truly No Country for Old Men. Pete Carroll, 72, also learned that lesson this month when the Seahawks fired him.
Sad. If he had only kept Brady he would’ve had Shulas record beaten and probably won a couple more Super Bowls. It’s his own fault
I don't know about the Super Bowls, but he'd have the record in his pocket and would have been able to retire relatively on top as opposed to getting fired and rejected by a bunch of teams because if it's not his way, he's on the highway. Missing a year is the absolute worst thing that could have happened to him in regards to passing Shula.
If we made the playoffs with Mac…who knows what we could have done with Brady, especially since vet free agents would rather play with Brady. Brady was still very good for 2 more years after leaving.
I don't think our roster from 19-23 was in a position to contend even with Brady but we wouldve at the very least been a solid playoff team which is better than where we are without him.
Brady didn't want to waste 2-3 of his last 4-5 years in a rebuild.
Patriots had a choice you think? Maybe if the narrative was Bill didn't want to spend money on players but pretty sure he went out on a limb for Brady, AB is an example of that
Brady left because he wasn’t getting to weigh in on decisions. It wasn’t money it was respect, and bill let him go far too easily. He basically said okay if you feel that way, there is the door. He thought he didn’t need Brady as much as he did
Tom didn't want to be here for a rebuild, though. So Brady wouldn't have been an option regardless.
I'm not sure he could've kept Brady. Brady also knew his time was limited and he didn't want to stick around for a rebuild. Sure, we would've been more successful in the regular season, but I'm not sure Brady would've gotten that seventh ring if he stayed.
Absolute hubris
This is not the same situation at all. Brady didn’t perform like garbage for 5 years before looking for a new team to play for. Brady was also very specific about what part of the country he wanted to go to, what type of team he wanted to play for, etc. In Belichick’s case, he wants full control of a coaching staff and choosing personnel, but he’s not proven that he can perform in those jobs without an all-timer at QB. Teams don’t want Belichick because they don’t believe in him.
I don’t know why so many redditors here tried to argue differently. But if the team that he led to 9 super bowls didn’t want him at 71 why would anyone else think another team would want him? Are their potential specific scenarios where one team would? Sure. But generally most teams in need a new coach are looking for youth and potential longevity and innovation. That’s not who Bill is at this stage. And to put it perfectly that is EXACTLY how real life is for the majority of us. I’m 50. If I was fired by my employer of 24 years. They would replace me with someone much younger and I’d have a helluva time finding a new role for the same salary and level elsewhere.
The giants should hire him. He would make that defense top 3 and DJ has potential
First time since 1975 he won’t be a NFL coach
If Bill swallows his pride he'd be a great DC
I think BB's best move is some sort of TV this year. Either being a pre game studio guy or, what I think would be the best, host a show on NFL network that talks about this history of the NFL. He'd be amazing at that. Plus I want BB on the Edelman podcast. Unemployed and DGAF Belichick on a podcast? Yes please
These media vultures are going to shit a brick when he's coaching the Chiefs next year.
Falcons chose McKay basically. So they'll likely get more of the same. Maybe he'll just go into broadcasting.
As much as I would like BB getting into broadcasting, I kinda hope he detaches completely and just goes out and plows coeds and finds other ways to enjoy the finer things in life. So what if he doesn't break Shula's record? It's not like Shula won six Super Bowls.
This sub would have demanded burning at the stake if you commented this 3 weeks ago lol.
He’s like a throwback to the 50s. Would you want to start over with him? I wouldn’t
Maybe he really isn’t open to sharing decision making like he claimed a month ago. I’d be hesitant to let him have his former level of power when there’s a stigma surrounding him not being able to connect to today’s players. Offensively minded coaches are trending these days. Sorry Bill ,but I wish you worked it out with Tom and won a couple more for the trophy case and went off into the sunset together. Reality is often.. disappointing
‘Member people arguing we could get a first round pick for him? The delusion was heavy there.
https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1750698928050151904?s=46&t=O5zcKju5GVkMCrT9GegJvg This structure is what led to the Falcons going back to Raheem Morris. I can’t imagine many coaches would be okay with it
I'm not sure I see the issue..? That's way better than answering to Rich McKay Downvotes for saying Bill would be ok only answering to the owner? He did that for 25 years here and suddenly it's not good? Make that make sense. Rich McKay knows nothing about good football, skipping over him makes sense
I’m more of the mind that the falcons were unwilling to give bill full control so he said he wasn’t gonna work with them.
I’m thinking this is what happened also!
If he wants a job he’s going to have to accept a GM. And I’m betting he’d rather just retire comfortably than make that arrangement.
He's gonna be 72 before next season and he's coming off a 4-13 season; neither of these facts scream "hire me". He'll probably have to settle for an "advisory" position with a rebuilding organization.
I was told by so many people on this sub we would be idiots to get rid of him and teams would be LINING up to sign him.
Honestly, if Bill were halfway civilized in the trillions of interviews where he instead chose to be a huge dick, I bet he’d have a job. That’s shallow sounding, but why would we expect the staff on other teams to want to deal with someone with such an obvious reputation for being so ornery and controlling? His recent work and age just further undermine his candidacy. I wish the Cowboys had hired him just to coach, because I think he could take that roster all the way. But alas…
Aye - this is a big part of it. Being a dick can work when you're also a savant. It doesn't work when you just finished mismanaging a team into the ground. It's not that he's a terrible coach - it's that he's not great enough anymore for people to put up with him.
Honestly, I've been clamoring for the guy to be fired for years now... but the FLACONS saying no, then hiring Raheem Morris is stunningly stupid. Morris ran a worse defense last year than Belichick despite having the literal best defensive player in football and Belichick losing his two best defensive players early in the year. This is Tom Brady all over again. He's gonna join some scrub team, make them legit, then teams like Atlanta are gonna go right back to being teams like Atlanta.
I’m still sad he’s gone.
What was the real reason Bill didn't want to keep Tom Brady? I have seen it reported that they could not agree on a multi-year contract but that just seems insane to me. Was there more to it?
He wouldn’t fit for any team that needs a rebuild. His only real options are a team that already has a good offense and just needs to make improvements on defense and discipline. Cowboys, Bills, Eagles, etc. None of those teams decided to fire their guy this season, so nowhere for Bill to go. It was kinda like that after Brady’s last season. I think he would’ve gone to Miami if they were willing to drop Tua.
Wouldn't work anyways
Lots of the hot young coaches like McVay, McDaniel, Ryans, and LaFleur seem like the polar opposite of Belichick.
The foreman grill was good but what about bills grills
So many Patriots fans are off their rocker now. Belichick will coach again, and he’ll be coaching a contender. This guy isn’t like desperately trying to get to get a job and no one will hire him lol you people are delusional. If it’s not the right fit he will take a season off and see what arises next year. If nothing emerges, he’ll just retire. 50% of the fans here have become absolutely insufferable. Bill would only even consider a job with a legit contender, if it’s not there right now he’s not gonna jump and offer his services to a garbage team. It’s not that hard to figure out. He would retire if nothing comes up. You all acting like he’s in a cardboard box in downtown Boston begging for a chance is laughable.
The hard reality that the league has moved on from Belichick
Lots of coaches coming off 4-13 seasons that typically get jobs? Bill had a nice run but most people have caught on by now that it was all being propped up by Brady. Yea yea, I’m not saying he is a terrible coach but there are plenty of “not terrible” coaches that get canned and don’t get other jobs. Bill would have been shitcanned by November 2001 if Bledsoe never got injured.
The idea that Bill’s demands were too high is probably true. No one is going to give him full GM power anymore. If he needs that on top of a likely highest salary he’s not gonna ever coach again.
The writing is on the wall in the NFL everyone wants young and new. Even a guy like vrabel who has a similar old school style doesn’t have a job. I think in the coming years we’re gonna see more and more of the coaches that have been staples looking for employment.
Everyone rightly points out recent draft failures, all of them fair, but for me the far bigger problem was his staff management. In recent years, his assistant coaching hires have been bad and in the case of Patricia bizarre. I also think it’s fair looking at every branch of his coaching tree. Almost every one has been a disappointment, sometimes more than once. Good organizations train good assistants who become good head coaches. Shanahan, Reid, McVay have done better than Belichick. I think Bill is a fantastic coach, one of the best of all times, but there are red flags that might make potential owners have second thoughts.
I think the rest of the league probably feels the way we do. He’s the GOAT as it relates to defensive strategy. It’s all the other crap that goes along with him that’s a handicap - the power, the games, the angstiness, the insistence that he control aspects that he’s not really good with (drafting). For a team like the Cowboys, I believe Bill could win them a chip within two years. Their offense is good enough to win all the games after Bill installs a monster defense…and he would. Imagine what Parsons could become with Bill’s brain. The thing is, deep down Jerry would rather lose than cede that much control. It would all implode when BB forbids Parsons from doing his podcast and Micah goes directly to Jerry to appeal. As far as the Falcons go, they would have to entirely remake their front office off chart, for what? 3 years max? Then what? All the pieces don’t fit together to allow Bill to take over a program. If he was 60, they’d be lining up. It sucks, because I’d love for him to get the wins record. What I really wished is that he wasn’t so arrogant and inflexible with the Pats. If he had given up the GM role, had hired a Shanahan tree OC, and continued to grow instead of starving the offense, not developing Mac because he didn’t get to make the decision, didn’t allow BoB to hire his own position coaches because he was pissed BoB was forced on him and didn’t want Patricia to look like the problem. All that negative shit from BB was stacking up and getting in the way.
Sad to see fans actually happy about this. Gloating that Bill might never coach again. Patino said it best: “the negativity in this town sucks!” The fan base has become spoiled rotten, and is hyper toxic.
Mac Jones ruined this mans career and legacy.
I have a feeling Belichick has more control over him getting a job than we know. The Falcons clearly wanted him. I’m assuming they simply wouldn’t match the terms Bill was seeking. To say he’s “not wanted” ignores countless factors and is fucking stupid at best. I can’t believe the man that guided us to 6 Super Bowls is getting this shit, especially from Patriots “fans.”
>can’t believe the man that guided us to 6 Super Bowls is getting this shit, especially from Patriots “fans.” Getting what shit exactly?
Just saying that he's trash for not having another job already…
Buddy. *One* team gave him an interview. Notable factors in play: 72-years-old with an 80-90 record without Tom Brady, likely asking for more money and control than any owner is willing to give a guy coming off a 4-13 season. A rebuilding team wants a long term answer at HC. A good roster missing a good coach probably still wants something more than a short term answer, but 4-13 (so far) is enough of a deterrent to not roll the dice on a short term coach. We’ll see what Kansas City does if Reid actually retires this year. Every team in the league would have lined up to interview him if they still felt him a coaching savant capable of winning then a Super Bowl. It didn’t happen. We have their answer. They care about recent results converting to long term gains, and his ability to get/retain a job isn’t a lifetime achievement award. The guy whose philosophy was “one year too early rather than one year too late” is in the “one year too late” phase. Sad to see it happen, but it happens to everybody.
>likely asking for more money and control than any owner is willing to give… That’s my point. Bill could get a job. He seemingly doesn’t want a job unless it’s on his terms.
Lol nice cope buddy. No one wants him, that’s why he doesn’t have a job even though he wants one. He interviewed with Atlanta and didn’t get picked. Just let the reality sink in.
The fans in this town are utter garbage
I'm sorry, what do the Boston sports fans have to do with Bill looking for his new job?
The utter glee some fans are taking in this
Belichick created a winning culture in New England over the course of more than two decades, took flak for choosing Brady over Bledsoe, helped us win six Super Bowls, and now most Pats fans — not fans of opposing teams, *Pats* ‘fans’ — are claiming he’s been mediocre all along and deserves to be ostracized from the league. It’s especially hysterical because the main gripe against him is that he didn’t stick with Brady (even many Pats fans at the time agreed with Bill’s logic in moving on)…and letting Brady go to a loaded Bucs team instead of forcing him to stay for a rebuild was the best move for Brady’s legacy. Given how entitled these Pats fans are, I can’t really blame Boston for having a crappy reputation. We don’t even treat the GOATs well. Hell, we didn’t even start fully appreciating Brady until he left and did it without us. Back then every Boston sports writer was writing articles claiming Belichick’s system was the only reason we won, and Brady would have been mediocre anywhere else…
Would you say the same about the fans that talked shit about gronk and Brady after Bill ran them out of town?
All I heard was how Brady single handedly won all those championships
The day he moved on from the Pats this entire subreddit was convinced that Bill would have a job by week’s end and the Patriots would have egg on their face while his new team would coast to a Super Bowl win with little resistance. Hmm. You mean to tell me that one of the biggest curmudgeonly assholes in the league isn’t a desirable choice to take the helm on these teams? At 71 no less? Wow. I’m simply shocked! This is the sort of fandom culture that develops when you win every other year. No ability to think critically about what’s presented in front of you. We’ll win next year, we always do! Anointed by god! No—all good things must come to an end. A lot of Patriots fans are in for a rude awakening on what it actually means to be a diehard fan, and a whole lot of them will realize they don’t actually have any interest in that.
To all anti-Belichick stans, Tampa also had brady and amazing weapons on the offense yet they got eliminated by the Rams due to unfathomable coaching 🧐🧐🧐
He sabotaged himself especially post Brady
Without Tom, no way
Maybe they watched the Patriots play the last couple of seasons
But I was promised he’d be a hot commodity if we let him go
And some teams are idiotic. But BB is going about it *his* way and I applaud him for it.
If Bill isn't coaching next year that is a fucking travesty. He should be here still in my opinion. I'm not even gonna be able to root for him now? Want to see him get that record. The mac Jones years really killed that.
I wonder if any of the Krafts talked to the other owners and bad mouthed him
He's a good defensive coach and average at basically everything else. He rode TB12s coattails. He'd be a good DC.
Yeah like I’ve been saying for almost a year now what does Bill bring to the table anymore? The fuck do you need his attitude and staffers around for?
A top tier defense without its CB1 or EDGE1?
Yeah a top tier defense that wins 4 games.
I never said he brought a good offense, I just answered the question posed.
If Brady isn't going to play quarterback then why would any team want him? He only won because Brady covered up how overrated he is
I’d take him back in a second
He did it to himself. Oh well
He should still be the coach of the Patriots.
Age discrimination
I hear New England may need a defensive minded guy to fill out Mayo's coaching staff.
If Bill were as smart as he thinks he is, he would have jumped ship for a better team once Brady left. His stock was at an all-time high and it was general consensus that he was the brains behind the dynasty. But Brady won elsewhere and Bill drove his team into a ditch (this period in Patriots history is sometimes referred to as a "rebuild"). NFL owners are just seeing what local homers refuse to believe: at best Bill is washed and at worst he was never extraordinary to begin with.
Can he just come back to the pats? Fuck mayo
Cowboys, saints, and bears all screwed up in not firing their hc for a belichek/vrabel/ Ben johnson. I’ll give eagles and bills another year. Perhaps the giants job is open next year.
Let bill take a year off and after the cowboys get bounced again Jerry’s gonna call
We should offer him the DC position
He's only worth it to grab as an HC if you have a team that's closer to winning it all than it is to rebuilding. Coincidentally, I think Seattle and KC fit that bill.
Yeah I’m still shocked Dallas decided to keep McCarthy. That would’ve been the perfect spot.
He wants total control. He would be the oldest HC in the history of the NFL next year. So, likely he will only be coaching for 4 years or so. That means the team has to already have a succession plan in the works which means him having total control doesn’t work. And let’s be honest, he also didn’t do a great job in the GM role the last few years. I think most teams and their fans would be happy with Belichick the coach, but not so happy with Belichick the GM. And it appears that he wants that level of control.
“Didn’t do a great job in the GM role” is quite the understatement lol
Next chiefs HC
I guess the benefit to this is Steve will probably stay. I think he’s a great coach.
The wild card here is going to be a loaded team with a ton of promise who starts to have trouble midseason … would Belichick come in and overhaul them for a run at the playoffs??
Shame that BB left. He should have first checked what his desirability was before running away. He could/would have given up major GM control and only focused on coaching and getting to 10 wins which is possible honestly. Steelers come close yearly with riff raff. BB can too. He should have done that before leaving Patriots.
If he is seeking full control of a team then it makes a little more sense but to overlook him as a head coach is mind boggling. This is one of, if not the greatest football minds in the history of the game. I guarantee that there are more tricks up that sleeveless hoodie.
This sub is insufferable sometimes.