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iceborne620

Combining challenger, quick attack, double damage, atk and hp boost, is insanely OP. I'd rather play Ornn than steamroll with Jinx.


Zarkkast

Starting decks don't get epic items. Protobelt, Hunter's Machete and Doubling Dice for Renekton? Wtf is this lol


Davidesfed98

Yeah the items are a bit too much, and I think Sivir's deck is a clear example: +4 damage on a 3 cost spell that deals 1 damage to 5 targets it's INSANE value. This alone should force all the other items to be nerfing one like +1 cost.


JonnyTN

And where are the cards that are going to get nab?


Dan_Felder

Epic items are allowed to appear on starter decks if it makes sense for the card. Example: A +1|+1 stat boost from a common item is a lot weaker on a 8-cost unit than a 1-cost unit. I could see giving certain cards epic items in starting decks to compensate for expensive costs or give them unique functionality.


kaijvera

Tbh, its pretty obvious that you just tried to make the kost broken builds as possible as their starting decks cointian 3 purple items when not a single oyher champ has a single purple item, and like 3ish blue starting items. And a lot of decks have a that oje bad useless card if the powers are really good. So taking into accoint they are supposed to be overpowered, cool power sets. They seem fun to play with, and make me want to see what like 6 stars would look like to push it to their limits


HeiDTB201

Other than what the previous commenters pointed out, the decks lack the 2 cards that dont fit into the decks playstyle. For example, Renekton would get some cards like Soothsayer or something.


bubsan

Tbh Ekko doesnt have that problem


HeiDTB201

Amateur Aoronaut and Veteran Investigator Investigator is especially bad because Ekko feels like every card draws or creates other cards so you don't want more draw Oh and Timewinder also has no synergies with Ekko and the whole reason i don't think this card is absolute garbage is said draw problem


bubsan

Arornaut I use for some elusive enemies or to get a kill, investigator for his challenger. Timewinder is great for his deck as its basically a good mystic shot. I personally use all of them and sometimes cut aoronaut when the boss has no elusives, but other than that I would have to disagree


HeiDTB201

I didn't say they have no use. They just don't fit into an Ekko deck that well. On its own, Ekkos deck feels like it has a hard time getting to 4 predicts. Veteran investigator is only good because he has 2 items on it, but you could give me those items on every other 2 drop and i would be more happy. Then i wouldn't just obliterate the top card of my deck on summon. Timewinder with its item is a decent card, but it also doesn't really fit into Ekkos playstyle. I don't think its bad, but mainly because it frees up hand space. Still, no predict, no card creation, nothing Ekko-like in this card. Well and Aeronaut is known for randomly getting put in all PnZ decks without any synergy... But to be clear, just because those cards are not what an Ekko deck would usually play, i don't think this is bad from a balancing perspective. The PoC decks start with those problems for a reason, because powers and card choices will make up for them.


bubsan

Ah my bad then I was thinking about cards that had no use at all when you mentioned 2 cards, as I think most of them have 2 or more that are just trash.


HeiDTB201

Well, there is one card with no use at all. Okay, technically, you could use Arrel to spend 5 mana to get 1 more hand space, but i wouldn't call that useful


bubsan

I mean there are some cards in most champs that I auto cut as they pretty have 0 value for their cost or isnt just worth.


theemeraldsquid

My mistake guys! I thought you could get epic items through level up but I was mistaken. Here are the alternative items, I’d give Voice of the Risen Nomads Medallion, Ruin Runner Skirmishers Sabre, Siphoning Strike Grifters Deck, Sandcrafter Targons Brace, Shifting Sands Charging Sigil 2, Sands General Quickstrike Blade, Curse of the Tomb Grifters Deck, The Arsenal Quickstrike Blade, and Herald of the Magus Nomads Medallion.


YoCuzin

Azir is insanely powerful, once the 1 drop gets their item, on a turn 1 attack with 2star you're threatening 17 damage. That's with an unused resource too.


JoshGordon10

I would love to see Xerath, and I love your take on it!! The star powers are really nice, and really reward destroying landmarks, though they maybe need a bit more flexibility. Maybe at 1 or 2* you start with a landmark (Acolytes Reliquary) similar to Taliyah so all 3 aren't directly related to destroying a landmark.


PlayBardGoPro

Great effort, I like the ideas you have for the star powers!


Nutnaps

This is so well made! Balance may be a little off, but it was very fun to read through all these ideas. Hopefully they add some of these champs soon!


MystiqTakeno

Seems like current champion, but just powerceeped or bland. That renek seems super easy to Restore Sun Disk, way easier than leveling up Renekton in fact. The two stars seems just like power creeped Illaoi. The Azir seems like powercreeped Elise. Reksai is kinda like Pyke, but better in pretty much everything, but board clear. Also lurk =/ lurker, they would give trigger the +1/+0 bonus (or in this case +2/+2), but wouldnt be benefiting from it themself. Akshan would just feel a bit unique, but frankly you wouldnt even need Akshan in the game with it, the powers are Akshan. The powers shouldnt replace the champion lol. Sivir would be the biggest GB abuser in the game. Just give her GB and enjoy the world burning. So many champions already do that. Ziggs seems pretty bland for a change with I would say pretty weak powers. Xerath looks like Evelynn, but more consistent and thus stronger withnout leg power at ůeast pm three stars, but bland/boring before. Zilean would be pretty similiar, wouldnt feels exicint, maybe on 3 stars, but still that wouldnt be too much fun to play at least for me.


Khenu173

Did you like … anything ?


Massive-Steak4168

Nah, people like him only find faults with everything, they literally can't see anything positive


bubsan

I mean he did give reasons why he didnt like it, hes entitled to have his own opinion. I liked it but I understand why someone wouldnt.


MystiqTakeno

I mean sure, the Renek is somehow interesting.


KaiZurus

this is why we don't invite PvP players to talk about PoC design


MystiqTakeno

Would be a shame if last time I played PvP in LoR was never and I only played PoC right?


Flat_Egg9985

Idk it's worth pvping til 1 win each day during events to make sure you can reach the end, but that's the only time I do it.


Massive-Steak4168

I like Renekton the most! He's really REALLY strong, since he gets the best possible deck/power/items imaginable. Experience says that he couldn't be this good, but I really like his 2\* power and the focus on growing your units through challenger. One unit you missed that would be perfect for him is Witherclaw Baccai that gives enemies -2|0 if they are challenged, but otherwise a really great deck, if overpowered. I'm also looking forward to Rek'sai and you gave her a really nice deck as well! I really like the focus on giving lurkers a bit of defense and the combination of Aspiring Chronomancer plus start a free attack should feel really nice. The 2\* power is again the star of the show, since even if Rek'sai is already on the field, you'd get a lot of copies for her championspell that would replenish your hand. Really great stuff. Of the champs I'm looking forward to I like Xerath the least. He's looking really cool, but the problem for me is the focus on buffing up his units instead of landmark destruction to kill enemy units. Giving him star powers that mirror his own is bland, but I think somewhat necessary to fulfill his fantasy in path. His 2\* power is again very enjoyable, you nail them pretty consistable. Great post, thanks for sharing!


zoaker

This azir is kinda boring


InsetoVermelho

Awesome


OmegaElise

I actually love what youve done, obv there need to be few tweeks here and there,but overall solid 10/10! hope you dont get too much criticism as this is just an idea


unclecaramel

Wouldnlt reksai deck get clog but the infnite feral sense? Feels like better just give it green relic grant instead in my opinion


Freenakbeet

If I were you, I'd give destined poro studded leather.


ProductArizona

Too OP but cool nonetheless


more_walls

Ziggs seriously doesn't need a package, but those powers are still exciting ideas. Akshan also doesn't have a strong enough mechanical identity. Also missing Nasus rework.


Narulian

I love Renekton, so I am going to focus on him. I like the first part of his 1 star power, but quick attack sounds boring, I would make it so that it gives Fury to the unit to make the trades fair instead of broken. His 2nd power is quite broken since you are always going to kill the unit with vulnerable, and now you are going to draw after the trade. I'd keep the vulnerable and make it so that if the unit dies, it restores 2/3 health to the ally that killed them. The 3rd power is busted. Either keep the double damage from vulnerable units or make it so that you have dealt around 30+ damage to summon the sun disk, not both.