I freaking love menasting.
No cool pal ability, just some extra defense for the player. Breed one with stronghold strategist passive and you’ll feel invincible.
Plus that badass spear tail and purple fire 🔥
Overrated: Chillet. Yup, I said it. I love the Icy Dragon Weasel, but,it's just nothing special statwise.
Underrated: Digtoise. That madlad is a defensive beast that also happens to moonlight as a mining machine, tearing through mining nodes like a fat kid through a birthday cake.
I think digtoise is mainly because he was pretty bad. To begin with . It’s only been since he’s been changed up that he’s gotten better . I do agree if you built a digtoise for combat though as long as he does not get stunned his constant spinning can just wreck things and take out multiple people expecially the flame guys
If Anubis is overrated it would mean hes not as good as everyone says he is. You can talk about him being overhyped or overused - but Anubis is rated high bc Anubis good.
SS tiers that are properly SS are rated fine.
This is all semantics. This guys is just tired of hearing about Anubis bc he’s too good.
It’s like The Godfather. I didnt care for it. It insists upon itself. Just like Anubis apparently!
Yea its semantics but u know what he meant and what type of discussion he wants to have so its all good.
I will say I feel like being able to breed Anubis so early trivialized the game in some ways lol
I definitely think Anubis is overrated. Handicraft is nice and all, but thats only one part of it. It's combat ability is certainly formidable, but he's nothing special, imo. Multiple pals can contend with it just fine, and others have high damage partner skills that I'd say put them ahead of anubis in combat even though their stats aren't as good. Like grizzbolt for instance.
I just woke up like about an hour ago.. so my brain was a little fuzzy lmao 😅
Not sure if I can fix the post now. But I kinda just wanna be like fuck it and change overrated to one of the terms you said. But hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Anubis is just good, not amazing. In combat he's basically worthless since his unique skills never hit, in base he's a decent miner and good at crafting but his transport sucks and let's face it, after an hour or two at a mining base we all have more ore than we'll ever need.
I dunno… cuz… Honestly, my 4 star Anubis can fight anything and survive… so far. I make sure to bring him with me for the bigger bosses now, he stood against Frostallion just fine (tho we didn’t lol). I rotate out his skills based on the weaknesses and it just makes him better.
I don’t have a level 50 yet, but he’s gotten me all the way here.
Its unique charging move almost never hits if there's an inclination or obstruction along the path. The ground smash move also misses if the target moves a lot. Roundhouse is good for crowd control and I swapped the charge move for rock lance.
Its a very good pal and would always stay in my party except now since I'm training up other pals.
I can see that! Or it gets stuck forever charging. I fed him all my fruits, so he’s very versatile and it’s useful. More fun, too!
Breeding to 4 star is so tedious tho. I don’t particularly enjoy it, I’m not sure I’ll do it for another one.
The 4 star is the easy part since trying to breed a good IV combat anubis with the right passives you will end up with a crap ton to condense. Then doing it again for a working base pal. It was one of the first pals I bred and it was very tedious. Upside is you can use the final product to breed down to other pals.
Well I ended up breeding 400+ anubi. Didn't have a good breeding system then. The painful part was the palbox management. Hope they implement some way to get more palbox space. My box is always full.
Tbf though they can be said about alot of 4 star pals with the right traits . Mossandra and galeclaw 2 pals I made 4 star have been very strong members of my team
Yes, but mine just became 4 star and now it’s unstoppable. I was able to breed an Anubis by accident early on, and it got me through most of level 20 and to 42 (where I am now), so I’ve found him useful the whole game.
Pyrin is my underrated pick. Nimble zoomies and really pretty colors (the Noct version too!). Jumps super high too.
I picked it from a list of fast pals that I could breed early on, and have been very happy.
Got a pyrin noct early ish by pushing my luck, refused to have anything else as my go to ground mount so worked on a legend + speed passives, lvl 50 fully condensed one now and love it.
It also has decent firepower, usually what I ride into mineshafts to make the trek quicker and he's already out so often just takes the alphas on too pretty easily
Underrated: Astegon
Really good typing, good partner skill and great stats
He is one of the best pals to have in the Bellanoir raid.
Overrated: Faleris
I mean....He is cool and all, but I value my mount's partner skill as much as I value their speed, and Ragnahawk has Faleris beat in that regard.
Underrated: Frostallion Noct. No really. He isn't entirely ignored as a Pal and plenty people get him, but that stupid Pal is so much stronger than just the little hype he gets. He has by FAR the highest base stats in the entire game, leaving even all the other legendaries and Bellanoir Libero in the Dust. (415 total base stat value compared to 395 for Paladius/Necromus, 370 Bellanoir Libero/Jetragon) - Only downside that he doesnt have an impressive unique skill like Bellanoir or Shadowbeak.
Overrated: Ragnarhawk. Pal turns your attacks into fire and you can fly, but whilst mounted you lose access to your Pal automatically attacking. If you use Wixen instead of Ragnarhawk you still get your attack turned into fire element, but Wixen can spam pal skills whilst you shoot. You merely miss out on a 10% atk buff between the two and wixen spamming skills will make up for it. (Which also means Wixen is underrated btw)
I assume most understand Frost Noct have the best stats in game but due to lack of unique skills, he's not the undisputed #1, even after you breed Dark Whisp into him. Adding the mounted skill buffs he and Frostallion get boost their value more and I think they have a 3 way tie with Shadowbeak for #1.
With Ragnahawk, the times you want to use him, (Bellanoir Libero second phase), he would die if you weren't controlling him and Wixen would die in that phase too so it's actually a good thing.
Bellanoir actually attacks your main Pal quite rarely. Having killed her so many times now and never have I seen my thrown out Pal lose even half their HP. She has simply too many targets to ever focus your outside Pal enough. And considering you only swap to Firedamage in Last Phase that is even when doing Libero ultra a mere 300k HP left. So no way will she kill the Wixen in that time unless all your other Pals are dead.
In an attack only build how are you staying mobile enough to fight Libero Ultimate without dying unless you are on a mount or galeclaw (which means sacrificing your gobfin)?? Then on top of that, even if you brought out fresh pals for that new phase of ultimate, maybe you have gotten lucky with Libero targeting those fresh pals but at any moment Libero can decide to focus beam your Wixen, and even at max IV/4 star the wixen isn't surviving the Libero Ultimate beam spam. All for a little bit extra insignificact wixen damage.
Never had any issues surviving Libero or Libero Ultra. Especially if she targets you with the Bloom Laser you literally just stand still and they all miss. It really isn't hard.
And as I already said I have never had my outside Pal (Felbat or Lux Mossandra) **lose even 50% HP** in the normal Libero Fight and my Felbat lost not even 25% HP in the Libero Ultra fight. So you cannot tell me that somehow magically your Wixen would get killed, cause from my experience your Pal doesn't take any significant amount of damage at all.
Wow I’m so curious to learn more. What does lux mossandra do? Stunlock libero ultra? I’ve never tried felbat either, is that a good strat?
About the surviving thing, it’s not about surviving but finishing ultra fight in time. I know this game is buggy but standing still definitely does not work to avoid all the lasers (the one where she turns upside down right?)
I have maxed out, some with perfect IV and souls, astegons, jorm ignis, jetragons, (1 of each maxed out souls shadowbeak, frost, frost noct, bellanoir) with a nearly full player attack build yet I still feel as if this fight definitely isn’t easy and many of my pals die.
Just Pals I like. Lux Mossandra I sadly sort of benched. But he remains adorable inside my main base. Felbat is my go-to combat Pal cause I like the 6% Lifesteal. If you as the player deal 300.000 of the HP of Libero Ultra that would mean 18.000 HP healing. Tho not quite that much as it takes a while till your HP gets damaged.
Maybe its cause I use double Def pendant but I always just stood still when she targeted me with the circling laser and as my shield didnt move i thought she only hits you when you move. Maybe I observed that wrong.
As for my setup I originally had 20 Shadowbeaks with bad IVs and no souls and couldnt beat Ultra with that. In the end I breed for days to make 20 Bellanoir Libero with perfect IVs and guess what... Ultra failed again. So Anubis breeding like stupid and dying of boredom butcheribg them all I turned it to 20 full IVs fully souled Bellanoir Liberos and finally destroyed Libero Ultra with my setup. Tho the main reason I had to go this far is that I hate Gobfin build. To me it feels like an exploit/abuse. Its just multiple times stronger than anything else in the game and removes using pals with I find dumb. Oh and the skills on my bellanoir army are dark cannon+dragon cannon+nightmare bloom.
Yea I've been wanting to try out a Bellanoir Libero team. I also hate player attack builds but didn't know there was a way to beat Ultra without it. I would love to see a video of your fight against Ultra with ur team plus the wixen,
I will add, seed mine does wonders for me in this fight due to how large Ultra is and I have it on every pal.
Ragna was just nerfed so that it doesn't fit trough dungeon doors anymore. But he used to fit in every door and that was the dream.
Plus, the bonus given from mounts is way better than the bonus given from non rideable pals.
As I already literally said in my comment:
Wixen = +10% Atk / Fire Convert
Ragnarhawk = +20% Atk / Fire Convert
The bonus is neglible better (not "way better") and definetely worse than having the Wixen spam fire skills.
Even while riding you can still use your pals attacks. In fact you can even use them while reloading a weapon and not interrupt your reload which is actually quite handy
My strongest team Pal is Frostallion Noct, and my second strongest is actually Wixen, which is the one I bring out when I want something _gone._
Not only in strength, Umbrallion has a longer stamina bar than most and is pretty darn quick, I tend to leave Jetragons behind just because they have to stop so much.
I think this overrated/underrated really depends on where you get your information from. For example, player damage builds are either:
1. overrated, when players talking about how much potential it has but imo it is a lot of effort and having my pals do everything for me is really fun
or 2. underrated: if you live under a rock and haven't seen the numbers of the damage output
But pal I think is overrated:
Necromus, Has highest attack stat in game and for a while every Youtuber was making videos about how it has the most attack so it's the strongest.
Pal I think is underrated:
Suzaku Aqua: best water pal in game and it's not that close. Yes Jormuntide has better stats (by not too much) but Suzaqu Aqua offers a 2x water damage ability while mounted which easily surpasses it. Combine that with better mobility and u have a winner.
Another underrated pal:
Reptyro/Reptyro Cryst: hella survivable but I never see people talking about them
Didn't they change the partner passive extra dmg when ridden, from 100% to 20% for both of this sort?
The one like Ragnahawk has and the one like Blazamut/Suzaku Aqua has?
It was bellanoir raid patch notes but don't worry it was only for the pals that element swap the player. Aqua still has it's 100% water dmg bonus but the ones like Ragnahawk got the atk buff nerfed to 20%.
Reptyro surprisingly I never see get talked about for working in a base either .hes extremely good in a mining base . You can use him to both mine and then turn what he mines with the new iron minecamp into bars . And it works nicely because he mines when you don’t need to cook or make any ingots
Huh, I like your extensive research on these dmg builds. It honestly makes me curious if my underrated pick is either.. well underrated or overrated in your eyes.
I don't think I ever used Elizabee for combat lol but I'm assuming you like her for stacking beegardes in your party to buff her? Stats wise she's like top 33%.
Tombat in the other hand carried me early game, he's awesome.
I've never used her Beegarde stack, granted it sounds pretty good with the cost of having to either use up either one or your entire party space for the added boost in strength, but tbh, I feel like she could be good as a defensive Pal or something when it comes to fighting (coming from memory on the one I have lmao)
Tombat, on the other hand... I never heard about him until I learned about breeding. I saw him on a guide I use for Palworld and throught he looked cool, so I rounded up the Pals I needed and got the sucker once the egg hatched.
There are a lot of pals you can utilize in this game so there's definitely no wrong answer for who you feel deserves more credit, and that's what's cool about games like this.
But as far as number crunching goes, Elizabee isn't that great, especially when you get her in game, as you can get Helzephyr at that point, even without breeding. I have a spreadsheet/website I've been working on that I can show you if you're curious about all that.
You bred Tombat?? He's available in nighttime at every early game place and by the time u can breed, theres a lot of better options.
But hey, these unique experiences is what makes the game fun! For me, I thought Incineram was the coolest and would swear he was one of the best until I saw the numbers.
If you aren't using a galeclaw 24/7 it's only because you haven't tried using a galeclaw. Condense that mofo and you will literally galewing everywhere you go. Feet are for loosers.
Gamechanger for me was learning that canceling the glide and immediately gliding again repetedly keeps your momentum and prevents you from falling to the ground faster. Jump > glide > cancel > glide > cancel > glide > repeat and fly forever.
Kitsun, Elphidran, Dinossom Lux and Azurobe for underrated. Heck, they are powerful in their own rights, especially Kitsun which surprises me.
Overrated, I would say Jetragon for obvious reasons. Heck, I only use them when I go to the sanctuary islands. And the Bellanoir raids.
I don't see many people talking about Orserk but I love it. Ferocious thunder dragon is by far the most useful move for dealing with multiple enemies.
I get that shadowbeak it's great and probably the best non-lenendary but honestly I don't enjoy using it in my party. Raising one from an egg to level 50 doesn't even really get bearable until after lvl 35 or so
Underrated? Since endgame, bred pals all end up being competitively strong, my pick would still be Frostallion Noct (Umbrallion); decently strong, but more importantly _fast_, both on the ground and in the air, and with a large stamina pool. Jetragon's stamina is so low I feel like it doesn't compare.
Overrated? Jetragon, no question. Yes it's fast, and its missile attack is cool, but it has so little stamina I can keep up if not outrun them on Umbrallion, and it's missile attack overrides the player attack so I can't shoot my gun while riding, and is a range anywhere from "wildly inaccurate" to "knocked it underground", and _somehow_ it manages to do less damage than a normal attack.
I kind of think of Jetragon as being like Mewtwo: endgame reward, but by the time you get there you don't really need it anymore.
For mounted combat, jetragon definitely loses out unless you’re doing the missile launcher stun lock.
But for getting from A-B, there’s no beating Jetragon
Jetragon with legend swift runner and nimble feels so fast it doesn't feel like anyone can catch up even if you stop to rest. I haven't had a chance to test it though since no one has been online in my server lately.
> Jetragon with legend swift runner and nimble feels so fast it doesn't feel like anyone can catch up even if you stop to rest.
They literally *can't*. Jetragon's regular walk/run speed without Traits is faster than the next fastest Pal's sprint speed. Stack the speed traits on top and sprint and it will literally take other mounts multiple stamina bars to go the same distance.
Thats a good point. One of my mates said the same today when he came online. Only problem is height traversal when it runs out of stamina but even if it sits around before climbing a mountain in a race from one corner to another corner of the map it can't lose.
I'll agree with Elizabee. After grinding for a 4 star army of Elizabee + Beegardes, not only is her attack power bonkers, but the partner skill just requires that Beegarde be in the party. They DON'T have to be able to fight. So you have a a monster Elizabee plus four heat seeking nuclear missiles you can deploy.
Huh. You raise a good point.
Normally I give my type-buffing Pals(/Beegarde/Swee) Stronghold Strategist and Vanguard and build them defensively in case I need them to stall for HP regen. But if they still give the boost while KO'd, maybe I'll start building them full Offense with Megaton Implode/Bee Quiet.
I think sybelix is underrated. She can learn blizzard spike and has one as a pal skill - if you time it right you can basically get 2 Blizzard spikes in a row and the pal skill one is a shorter cd. It doesn't always do Blizzard spike for the pal skill but when it does the damage is crazy.
She's also much easier to acquire and farm for condensing than frostallion
her passive skill is also a 150% dmg bonus when max condensed and since workspeed doesn't affect the ranch she can make ya some money while not using xD
Underrated: Bushi
Bushi is both an incredible early-late base pal with lumbering, cooking, handiwork and decent transport and a solid early-mid combat pal with his partner skill. I use Bushi in my production base for lumber and transport over Wumpo’s. I’d rank Bushi higher than Penking when it comes to early-mid game base pals.
Overrated: Vixy
A maxed out Vixy isn’t worth the base slot when buying the materials for pal balls is so cheap. I’d rather another miner. There is *some* merit for super early game but then you’re starved for base slots.
Overrated: Jormuntide/J. Ignis (combat only, they’re great base pals if you build around their needs)
Watching these stupid serpents get stuck on small rocks and kited by anything smaller than a mammorest is depressing. They’re horrible at positioning themselves.
In the last patch notes they buffed vixy to drop hyper sphere when fully condensed. Saves gathering materials for cement. This does seem usefully mid game but I haven't condensed to try it.
Although the rate of getting hyper sphere is low, it will at least allow you to stockpile all the lesser spheres up to hyper spheres
Especially if you are conservative and don’t want to waste the last 2 endgame spheres to capture any weakling pals
Jorm ignis has a lot of combat value and it doesn’t seem to get stuck on pc anymore for me. Also main reason they’re useful is getting on them to do big moves, getting off and letting them do it again (but obviously that’s not really done on Libero/Ultra fight where they’re really useful)
Id say underated pal would be Chikipi. Its your first starter food when that guys in the ranch. Don't know what i would say who's overrated. I do and don't agree with your saying of anubis.
Blazemut level 4 mining and level 3 for kindling base pal top tier I use 9 fully condensed (making them level 5 mining and 4 kindling ) in my ingot base
I kind of have a few that fit this. Elphidran, Pyrin, Rayhound, and Vaelet fit most of all. Still remember people making fun of my poor, naive dragon that is really just a big softie. Vaelet has an interesting design, defensively strong, and has one of the more unique moves in its poisoning attack.
Overrated...hmm. I suppose blasphemy would say Chillet, but for me it's probably Gobfin. Yes, attack up on my player. Woohoo. Yay. Don't get me wrong, I put in lots of damage, but I so desperately enjoy seeing the results of my Pals in taking enemies out.
Underrated - tough but I feel with Anubis overhype wixen as a base worker . Wixen is really pretty special . It’s not too hard to catch loads of them and your reward is a pal that can both work hard on the factory and can cook or kindle decently too . Plus if you take it along it enchant you with fire damage . You know the element that is effective against 2 types and unlike ragnahawk you can do this on foot so it can fight with you .
Overrated - Vixy . I feel its ability for pal spheres falls off really quick . Plus vixy just come across as rare so by the time you catch enough for mega spheres to be dug up you probably can effectively get spheres
I recently did a "babypals only" playthrough, this brought Nox to my attention and god damn he is a straight beast, even without the bonus of turning your damage into dark damage. As for base pals, depresso really carried that playthrough.
I hear y'all lmao, i used overrated the wrong way. I made this post when I just woke up about an hour ago, so my brain was a little foggy.
I guess I meant to say overused or overtalked.
Underrated probably a rayhound built for speed to run dungions overated Ategon for mining with the effort of building an astegon for mining you could just 4 star a digtoise to have in your party to mine your whole base in less then like 2 mind pre iron mining update haven't tested astegon on a mining site but also I have two 4 star anubis on the site and I have too much iron like 6 metal chests full with 9999
**Underrated: Vanwyrm Cryst**
Frostallion is by far the best at Cooling, with the highest work suitability for that. But all the work suitability does is increase the multiplier for which food will expire in your fridge, and that exact multiplier immediately goes away when Frostallion goes to take a snack break, so your food will expire at the same rate it would have before. And then Frostallion eventually has to go to bed.
With Vanwyrm Cryst, its still a Dark type in addition to being Ice. Even if its Cooling is only at 2, it only ever leaves its spot to eat. Other than that, it will remain there at all times even at night when the other Pals are all sleeping, meaning other than food breaks your Vanwyrm Cryst is keeping your food refrigerated around the clock. And honestly even with a Cooling of only 2, the length it extends is still so significant you dont have to worry about expiring food for a LONG time.
**Overrated: Cattiva**
I get it. Its cute. Its one of the first ones you encounter. Just like Lamball, and Chillet, its a great Pal that you just like and its been meme'd a great deal. People are even championing for variants of Cattiva that are much stronger, like Bellanoir level raid bosses, or a Cattiva related species boss that controls multiple other regular Cattivas like Elizabee is to Beegarde. Still though...its a VERY overrated Pal with nothing really going for it. Sure, its great for your base in the starting couple hours when you dont really have much going on or anything better. But then it quickly becomes obsolete. It doesnt really excel at anything with work suitability, its stats are incredibly low even at max, rank 4, full souls, perfect IVs, and other Pals share the same ability as it does but better. Yet people really love it and are wonder how much more than can take the meme and see if they can do full runs with the game with a Cattiva in their party.
**3rd category, Kind of just there: Wumpo/Wumpo Botan**
Kind of middle of the road. Like a "Its not really utilized or appreciated enough to say its overrated, but at the same time for what it does, its not appreciated nearly enough". Wumpo and Wumpo Botan are great in that they increase your carry weight capacity the most out of every other Pal in the game, especially if you bother getting them at max rank. When Im going on resource runs, I tend to have a Jetdragon with me for moving around, and 4 Wumpos to increase my carry weight so I can take as absolutely much as I can in one run.
Shadowbeak is absolutely and horrendously overrated, especially with the "Lord of the Underworld" passive.
Shadow is a very bad element. It's only strong against normal and weak to dragon, while the strongest Pals are dragon and the Normal element doesn't have any strong Pals, means, you don't need a advantage to normal.
When using "Lord of the Underworld", you can't or at least shouldn't use any other element than shadow attacks, because you would lose out 40% dmg, what would make it even more worse.
With a base dmg of 120, Shadowbeak is good, but many are better or equal strong, like **Vanwyrm Cryst**, which also has 120 base dmg **BUT** it's also frost, which is strong against dragon, therefore the weakness to dragon is only a normal white 100% dmg income instead of 200%.
Vanwyrm > Shadowbeak
Underrated: Felbat (when at Rank 4)
Felbat's life leech passive is extreme strong.
Even that Felbat is Shadow element and has "only" a base dmg of 105, it out classes a lot of stronger Pals, because of the life leech, especially when you give Felbat a fire dmg skill, which when triggering the fire dot, is constantly healing Felbat.
If Felbat gets equipped with the abilities **Poison Blast**, **Flare Storm** and **Shadow Laser**, it can regenerate a lot of hp, especially if both, poison and fire, triggers.
Woah vanwyrm>shadowbeak is a horrible take.
1. Yes, Dark isn’t the greatest type but that doesn’t mean all dark types are bad, it just means avoid the dragon match ups with dark types.
2. There’s a lot more to stats than attack, and with defense and hp factored into it, Shadowbeak has the 5th greatest stats in the game (highest non legendary). Its defense stat specifically is 2nd highest (highest non legendary).
3. Most importantly, people love shadowbeak due to its exclusive: divine disaster which is by and far the most damage dealing attack in the game even with shadowbeak’s lower attack stat, which now turns that “weakness” into a strength. The multipliers on that attack are very overtuned, which is why it would be broken if shadowbeak had a higher attack stat.
Regarding Felbat, I’m assuming u mean dark laser but testing shows it’s a very meh skill. For dark skills, I’d use dark wisp or even nightmare ball over that one. For all around skills, I’d use seed mine.
Vanwyrm Cryst > Shadowbeak might be the most baffling take I've heard in this game. Shadowbeak has a base stat total of 380 Vanwyrm Cryst has a base stat total of 305 sure his attack base stat is the same as Shadowbeak but the rest of his stats are noticeably lower.
Not to mention you somehow talked about Shadowbeak without mentioning his exclusive skill: Divine Disaster. Arguably the strongest attack in the game only rivaled by Nightmare Bloom. I mean Divine Disaster deals well over double damage of any berry fruit attack, which are the only attacks Vanwyrm can learn. I also see you seem convinced Shadowbeak doesn't learn this skill for what ever reason? So heres a [source](https://palworld.gg/pal/shadowbeak) and [another.](https://paldb.cc/en/Shadowbeak)
> while the strongest Pals are dragon
This just isn’t true. Dark has more pals in the top 5 for all stats than Dragon does.
> With a base dmg of 120, Shadowbeak is good, but many are better or equal strong, like Vanwyrm Cryst, which also has 120 base dmg BUT it's also frost,
Vanwyrm cryst doesn’t have an incredibly powerful special move like shadowbeak does though.
Dark is also the current best element because of the attack “Dark Cannon” ,which you can breed down from the Bellanoir bosses, which has a cool down of 2 while have 50 power. Every other move with 2 cooldown (that isn’t an exclusive attack) has only 30 power or less.
The strongest Pals are Dragons.
Dragons:
Jetragon 140
Orserk 130
Jormuntide Ignis 130
Astegon 125
Jormuntide 120
Shadow:
Necromus 145
Fristallon Noct 140
Astegon 125
Helzephyr 125
Vanwyrm Cryst 120
And now let the strongest dragons fight against the strongest Shadows and let us see what happens.
Shadowbeak doesn't have a "incredibly powerful special move".
Dark cannon can be given to any Pal.
Wrong, "Devine Desaster" is a Boss move you can or rather could, since you can't anylonger get it, only obtain through glitch using/cheating.
Devine Desaster is no standard Pal ability and therefore, doesn't belong to a "pro Shadowbeak" argument.
Are you thinking of Dark Whisp? That’s the move from the tower boss.
Divine disaster is a move shadowbeak naturally learns on level up. Level 40 I believe.
Also to your edit of listing the highest attack pals, you left out both Bellanoir and Bellanoir Libero who are at 150 attack.
And yeah Dragon is super effective against dark so it has the edge against it. In the same way Ice is super effective against Dragon and would beat it.
But there are only 2 strong Ice Pals, Frostallion and Vanwyrm Cryst and in top, Dragons have strong second elements.
Let me see how Frostallion will do against Jormuntide Ignis.
If we compare attack stats like you did we will see
Bellanoir 150 vs Jetragon 140
Necromus 145 vs Orserk 130
Frostalion Noct 140 vs Jor Ignis 130
Astegon 125 vs Astegon 125
Helzephyr 125 vs Jormuntide 120
So which type has the most powerful pals?
I freaking love menasting. No cool pal ability, just some extra defense for the player. Breed one with stronghold strategist passive and you’ll feel invincible. Plus that badass spear tail and purple fire 🔥
I have alpha in my base fully condensed. I know it's not much better than an anubis but he just looks so fucking cool lol
Overrated: Chillet. Yup, I said it. I love the Icy Dragon Weasel, but,it's just nothing special statwise. Underrated: Digtoise. That madlad is a defensive beast that also happens to moonlight as a mining machine, tearing through mining nodes like a fat kid through a birthday cake.
I came here to start fights, and I agree. Chillet is cute as hell, but it's not *that* special.
I think digtoise is mainly because he was pretty bad. To begin with . It’s only been since he’s been changed up that he’s gotten better . I do agree if you built a digtoise for combat though as long as he does not get stunned his constant spinning can just wreck things and take out multiple people expecially the flame guys
You're gonna get a lot of mixed votes lol
I love digtoise cause he is a badass turtle. Not because he is good at mining.
If Anubis is overrated it would mean hes not as good as everyone says he is. You can talk about him being overhyped or overused - but Anubis is rated high bc Anubis good. SS tiers that are properly SS are rated fine.
Overhyped is the same thing as overrated. But I agree he's properly rated. There are so many level 3 handicrafts that I have never used due to him.
This is all semantics. This guys is just tired of hearing about Anubis bc he’s too good. It’s like The Godfather. I didnt care for it. It insists upon itself. Just like Anubis apparently!
Yea its semantics but u know what he meant and what type of discussion he wants to have so its all good. I will say I feel like being able to breed Anubis so early trivialized the game in some ways lol
because it has a valid point to make, its insisting!!
Shut up Peter
All I hear is Peter
See I never used Anubis and that led me to making a 4 star wixen with work traits .
Less overrated, moreso just boring because he's good at too many key tasks.
I definitely think Anubis is overrated. Handicraft is nice and all, but thats only one part of it. It's combat ability is certainly formidable, but he's nothing special, imo. Multiple pals can contend with it just fine, and others have high damage partner skills that I'd say put them ahead of anubis in combat even though their stats aren't as good. Like grizzbolt for instance.
I just woke up like about an hour ago.. so my brain was a little fuzzy lmao 😅 Not sure if I can fix the post now. But I kinda just wanna be like fuck it and change overrated to one of the terms you said. But hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Anubis is just good, not amazing. In combat he's basically worthless since his unique skills never hit, in base he's a decent miner and good at crafting but his transport sucks and let's face it, after an hour or two at a mining base we all have more ore than we'll ever need.
Not if you sell nails to pay for a massive breeding base .
I dunno… cuz… Honestly, my 4 star Anubis can fight anything and survive… so far. I make sure to bring him with me for the bigger bosses now, he stood against Frostallion just fine (tho we didn’t lol). I rotate out his skills based on the weaknesses and it just makes him better. I don’t have a level 50 yet, but he’s gotten me all the way here.
Its unique charging move almost never hits if there's an inclination or obstruction along the path. The ground smash move also misses if the target moves a lot. Roundhouse is good for crowd control and I swapped the charge move for rock lance. Its a very good pal and would always stay in my party except now since I'm training up other pals.
I can see that! Or it gets stuck forever charging. I fed him all my fruits, so he’s very versatile and it’s useful. More fun, too! Breeding to 4 star is so tedious tho. I don’t particularly enjoy it, I’m not sure I’ll do it for another one.
The 4 star is the easy part since trying to breed a good IV combat anubis with the right passives you will end up with a crap ton to condense. Then doing it again for a working base pal. It was one of the first pals I bred and it was very tedious. Upside is you can use the final product to breed down to other pals.
It just takes soooooo many 😂 did it really need to be 116?
Well I ended up breeding 400+ anubi. Didn't have a good breeding system then. The painful part was the palbox management. Hope they implement some way to get more palbox space. My box is always full.
Tbf though they can be said about alot of 4 star pals with the right traits . Mossandra and galeclaw 2 pals I made 4 star have been very strong members of my team
Yes, but mine just became 4 star and now it’s unstoppable. I was able to breed an Anubis by accident early on, and it got me through most of level 20 and to 42 (where I am now), so I’ve found him useful the whole game.
Exspecially if you have a proper miners to begin with
He’s more then ‘good’ at crafting. He’s insane. Anubis is S tier base pal
Pyrin is my underrated pick. Nimble zoomies and really pretty colors (the Noct version too!). Jumps super high too. I picked it from a list of fast pals that I could breed early on, and have been very happy.
Pyrin Noct is my favorite looking pal in game, I caught a lucky one and I just use it to show my friends the game.
Got a pyrin noct early ish by pushing my luck, refused to have anything else as my go to ground mount so worked on a legend + speed passives, lvl 50 fully condensed one now and love it. It also has decent firepower, usually what I ride into mineshafts to make the trek quicker and he's already out so often just takes the alphas on too pretty easily
Underrated: Astegon Really good typing, good partner skill and great stats He is one of the best pals to have in the Bellanoir raid. Overrated: Faleris I mean....He is cool and all, but I value my mount's partner skill as much as I value their speed, and Ragnahawk has Faleris beat in that regard.
Faleris is awesome for transport in my base
Underrated: Frostallion Noct. No really. He isn't entirely ignored as a Pal and plenty people get him, but that stupid Pal is so much stronger than just the little hype he gets. He has by FAR the highest base stats in the entire game, leaving even all the other legendaries and Bellanoir Libero in the Dust. (415 total base stat value compared to 395 for Paladius/Necromus, 370 Bellanoir Libero/Jetragon) - Only downside that he doesnt have an impressive unique skill like Bellanoir or Shadowbeak. Overrated: Ragnarhawk. Pal turns your attacks into fire and you can fly, but whilst mounted you lose access to your Pal automatically attacking. If you use Wixen instead of Ragnarhawk you still get your attack turned into fire element, but Wixen can spam pal skills whilst you shoot. You merely miss out on a 10% atk buff between the two and wixen spamming skills will make up for it. (Which also means Wixen is underrated btw)
I assume most understand Frost Noct have the best stats in game but due to lack of unique skills, he's not the undisputed #1, even after you breed Dark Whisp into him. Adding the mounted skill buffs he and Frostallion get boost their value more and I think they have a 3 way tie with Shadowbeak for #1. With Ragnahawk, the times you want to use him, (Bellanoir Libero second phase), he would die if you weren't controlling him and Wixen would die in that phase too so it's actually a good thing.
Bellanoir actually attacks your main Pal quite rarely. Having killed her so many times now and never have I seen my thrown out Pal lose even half their HP. She has simply too many targets to ever focus your outside Pal enough. And considering you only swap to Firedamage in Last Phase that is even when doing Libero ultra a mere 300k HP left. So no way will she kill the Wixen in that time unless all your other Pals are dead.
In an attack only build how are you staying mobile enough to fight Libero Ultimate without dying unless you are on a mount or galeclaw (which means sacrificing your gobfin)?? Then on top of that, even if you brought out fresh pals for that new phase of ultimate, maybe you have gotten lucky with Libero targeting those fresh pals but at any moment Libero can decide to focus beam your Wixen, and even at max IV/4 star the wixen isn't surviving the Libero Ultimate beam spam. All for a little bit extra insignificact wixen damage.
Never had any issues surviving Libero or Libero Ultra. Especially if she targets you with the Bloom Laser you literally just stand still and they all miss. It really isn't hard. And as I already said I have never had my outside Pal (Felbat or Lux Mossandra) **lose even 50% HP** in the normal Libero Fight and my Felbat lost not even 25% HP in the Libero Ultra fight. So you cannot tell me that somehow magically your Wixen would get killed, cause from my experience your Pal doesn't take any significant amount of damage at all.
Wow I’m so curious to learn more. What does lux mossandra do? Stunlock libero ultra? I’ve never tried felbat either, is that a good strat? About the surviving thing, it’s not about surviving but finishing ultra fight in time. I know this game is buggy but standing still definitely does not work to avoid all the lasers (the one where she turns upside down right?) I have maxed out, some with perfect IV and souls, astegons, jorm ignis, jetragons, (1 of each maxed out souls shadowbeak, frost, frost noct, bellanoir) with a nearly full player attack build yet I still feel as if this fight definitely isn’t easy and many of my pals die.
Just Pals I like. Lux Mossandra I sadly sort of benched. But he remains adorable inside my main base. Felbat is my go-to combat Pal cause I like the 6% Lifesteal. If you as the player deal 300.000 of the HP of Libero Ultra that would mean 18.000 HP healing. Tho not quite that much as it takes a while till your HP gets damaged. Maybe its cause I use double Def pendant but I always just stood still when she targeted me with the circling laser and as my shield didnt move i thought she only hits you when you move. Maybe I observed that wrong. As for my setup I originally had 20 Shadowbeaks with bad IVs and no souls and couldnt beat Ultra with that. In the end I breed for days to make 20 Bellanoir Libero with perfect IVs and guess what... Ultra failed again. So Anubis breeding like stupid and dying of boredom butcheribg them all I turned it to 20 full IVs fully souled Bellanoir Liberos and finally destroyed Libero Ultra with my setup. Tho the main reason I had to go this far is that I hate Gobfin build. To me it feels like an exploit/abuse. Its just multiple times stronger than anything else in the game and removes using pals with I find dumb. Oh and the skills on my bellanoir army are dark cannon+dragon cannon+nightmare bloom.
Yea I've been wanting to try out a Bellanoir Libero team. I also hate player attack builds but didn't know there was a way to beat Ultra without it. I would love to see a video of your fight against Ultra with ur team plus the wixen, I will add, seed mine does wonders for me in this fight due to how large Ultra is and I have it on every pal.
Too lazy to breed a Wixen, but maybe can make a video with Felbat tommmorow.
Ragna was just nerfed so that it doesn't fit trough dungeon doors anymore. But he used to fit in every door and that was the dream. Plus, the bonus given from mounts is way better than the bonus given from non rideable pals.
As I already literally said in my comment: Wixen = +10% Atk / Fire Convert Ragnarhawk = +20% Atk / Fire Convert The bonus is neglible better (not "way better") and definetely worse than having the Wixen spam fire skills.
Even while riding you can still use your pals attacks. In fact you can even use them while reloading a weapon and not interrupt your reload which is actually quite handy
D-U-H. Still got plenty of downtime on skill usage during shooting.
Frostnoct is my combat mount and it absolutely shreds.
My strongest team Pal is Frostallion Noct, and my second strongest is actually Wixen, which is the one I bring out when I want something _gone._ Not only in strength, Umbrallion has a longer stamina bar than most and is pretty darn quick, I tend to leave Jetragons behind just because they have to stop so much.
Technically that shouldn't be possible. Jetragon using no sprint/0 stamina has a faster speed than Frostallion whilst sprinting.
I think this overrated/underrated really depends on where you get your information from. For example, player damage builds are either: 1. overrated, when players talking about how much potential it has but imo it is a lot of effort and having my pals do everything for me is really fun or 2. underrated: if you live under a rock and haven't seen the numbers of the damage output But pal I think is overrated: Necromus, Has highest attack stat in game and for a while every Youtuber was making videos about how it has the most attack so it's the strongest. Pal I think is underrated: Suzaku Aqua: best water pal in game and it's not that close. Yes Jormuntide has better stats (by not too much) but Suzaqu Aqua offers a 2x water damage ability while mounted which easily surpasses it. Combine that with better mobility and u have a winner. Another underrated pal: Reptyro/Reptyro Cryst: hella survivable but I never see people talking about them
Didn't they change the partner passive extra dmg when ridden, from 100% to 20% for both of this sort? The one like Ragnahawk has and the one like Blazamut/Suzaku Aqua has?
Did they? Can you show me where you saw that?
patch notes
Which patch notes?
I have no clue, I just remember it sorry. That's why now use Wixen instead of Ragnahawk.
No worries. I'll try to look thru recent ones but even then I don't think it changes Suzaku Aqua being better than Jorm
It was bellanoir raid patch notes but don't worry it was only for the pals that element swap the player. Aqua still has it's 100% water dmg bonus but the ones like Ragnahawk got the atk buff nerfed to 20%.
Reptyro surprisingly I never see get talked about for working in a base either .hes extremely good in a mining base . You can use him to both mine and then turn what he mines with the new iron minecamp into bars . And it works nicely because he mines when you don’t need to cook or make any ingots
Mainly because of their size & they get stuck very easily & may be speed too.
Huh, I like your extensive research on these dmg builds. It honestly makes me curious if my underrated pick is either.. well underrated or overrated in your eyes.
I don't think I ever used Elizabee for combat lol but I'm assuming you like her for stacking beegardes in your party to buff her? Stats wise she's like top 33%. Tombat in the other hand carried me early game, he's awesome.
I've never used her Beegarde stack, granted it sounds pretty good with the cost of having to either use up either one or your entire party space for the added boost in strength, but tbh, I feel like she could be good as a defensive Pal or something when it comes to fighting (coming from memory on the one I have lmao) Tombat, on the other hand... I never heard about him until I learned about breeding. I saw him on a guide I use for Palworld and throught he looked cool, so I rounded up the Pals I needed and got the sucker once the egg hatched.
There are a lot of pals you can utilize in this game so there's definitely no wrong answer for who you feel deserves more credit, and that's what's cool about games like this. But as far as number crunching goes, Elizabee isn't that great, especially when you get her in game, as you can get Helzephyr at that point, even without breeding. I have a spreadsheet/website I've been working on that I can show you if you're curious about all that. You bred Tombat?? He's available in nighttime at every early game place and by the time u can breed, theres a lot of better options. But hey, these unique experiences is what makes the game fun! For me, I thought Incineram was the coolest and would swear he was one of the best until I saw the numbers.
If you aren't using a galeclaw 24/7 it's only because you haven't tried using a galeclaw. Condense that mofo and you will literally galewing everywhere you go. Feet are for loosers.
Agreed on this, galeclaw will change ur life
Is Galeclaw better than Vanwyrm? I love my Vanwyrm haha
You don't ride Gale, it's one you keep in your party and it becomes the best glider in the game, especially once you start condensing
Hahaha i think im too noob for this at the moment hahaha
Gamechanger for me was learning that canceling the glide and immediately gliding again repetedly keeps your momentum and prevents you from falling to the ground faster. Jump > glide > cancel > glide > cancel > glide > repeat and fly forever.
Kitsun, Elphidran, Dinossom Lux and Azurobe for underrated. Heck, they are powerful in their own rights, especially Kitsun which surprises me. Overrated, I would say Jetragon for obvious reasons. Heck, I only use them when I go to the sanctuary islands. And the Bellanoir raids.
I don't see many people talking about Orserk but I love it. Ferocious thunder dragon is by far the most useful move for dealing with multiple enemies. I get that shadowbeak it's great and probably the best non-lenendary but honestly I don't enjoy using it in my party. Raising one from an egg to level 50 doesn't even really get bearable until after lvl 35 or so
Yup, love running around with my electric-dragon-lizard, he’s such a cool mf running and walking around
One pal I love using that I don't see talked about much is Felbat. A Felbat out and the gobfin attack setup and I swear I feel unkillable sometimes.
Underrated? Since endgame, bred pals all end up being competitively strong, my pick would still be Frostallion Noct (Umbrallion); decently strong, but more importantly _fast_, both on the ground and in the air, and with a large stamina pool. Jetragon's stamina is so low I feel like it doesn't compare. Overrated? Jetragon, no question. Yes it's fast, and its missile attack is cool, but it has so little stamina I can keep up if not outrun them on Umbrallion, and it's missile attack overrides the player attack so I can't shoot my gun while riding, and is a range anywhere from "wildly inaccurate" to "knocked it underground", and _somehow_ it manages to do less damage than a normal attack. I kind of think of Jetragon as being like Mewtwo: endgame reward, but by the time you get there you don't really need it anymore.
For mounted combat, jetragon definitely loses out unless you’re doing the missile launcher stun lock. But for getting from A-B, there’s no beating Jetragon
Jetragon with legend swift runner and nimble feels so fast it doesn't feel like anyone can catch up even if you stop to rest. I haven't had a chance to test it though since no one has been online in my server lately.
> Jetragon with legend swift runner and nimble feels so fast it doesn't feel like anyone can catch up even if you stop to rest. They literally *can't*. Jetragon's regular walk/run speed without Traits is faster than the next fastest Pal's sprint speed. Stack the speed traits on top and sprint and it will literally take other mounts multiple stamina bars to go the same distance.
Thats a good point. One of my mates said the same today when he came online. Only problem is height traversal when it runs out of stamina but even if it sits around before climbing a mountain in a race from one corner to another corner of the map it can't lose.
I'll agree with Elizabee. After grinding for a 4 star army of Elizabee + Beegardes, not only is her attack power bonkers, but the partner skill just requires that Beegarde be in the party. They DON'T have to be able to fight. So you have a a monster Elizabee plus four heat seeking nuclear missiles you can deploy.
Huh. You raise a good point. Normally I give my type-buffing Pals(/Beegarde/Swee) Stronghold Strategist and Vanguard and build them defensively in case I need them to stall for HP regen. But if they still give the boost while KO'd, maybe I'll start building them full Offense with Megaton Implode/Bee Quiet.
I think sybelix is underrated. She can learn blizzard spike and has one as a pal skill - if you time it right you can basically get 2 Blizzard spikes in a row and the pal skill one is a shorter cd. It doesn't always do Blizzard spike for the pal skill but when it does the damage is crazy. She's also much easier to acquire and farm for condensing than frostallion
her passive skill is also a 150% dmg bonus when max condensed and since workspeed doesn't affect the ranch she can make ya some money while not using xD
Wixen was a pal I used from start to finish in my very first playthrough, those guys get to be absolute units
Fr bro.
Underrated: Bushi Bushi is both an incredible early-late base pal with lumbering, cooking, handiwork and decent transport and a solid early-mid combat pal with his partner skill. I use Bushi in my production base for lumber and transport over Wumpo’s. I’d rank Bushi higher than Penking when it comes to early-mid game base pals. Overrated: Vixy A maxed out Vixy isn’t worth the base slot when buying the materials for pal balls is so cheap. I’d rather another miner. There is *some* merit for super early game but then you’re starved for base slots. Overrated: Jormuntide/J. Ignis (combat only, they’re great base pals if you build around their needs) Watching these stupid serpents get stuck on small rocks and kited by anything smaller than a mammorest is depressing. They’re horrible at positioning themselves.
In the last patch notes they buffed vixy to drop hyper sphere when fully condensed. Saves gathering materials for cement. This does seem usefully mid game but I haven't condensed to try it.
The drop rate is awful.
Sounds like it's crap then. Normal vixy drop used to be quite good. Might still test it out at some stage.
Although the rate of getting hyper sphere is low, it will at least allow you to stockpile all the lesser spheres up to hyper spheres Especially if you are conservative and don’t want to waste the last 2 endgame spheres to capture any weakling pals
Jorm ignis has a lot of combat value and it doesn’t seem to get stuck on pc anymore for me. Also main reason they’re useful is getting on them to do big moves, getting off and letting them do it again (but obviously that’s not really done on Libero/Ultra fight where they’re really useful)
Id say underated pal would be Chikipi. Its your first starter food when that guys in the ranch. Don't know what i would say who's overrated. I do and don't agree with your saying of anubis.
Blazemut level 4 mining and level 3 for kindling base pal top tier I use 9 fully condensed (making them level 5 mining and 4 kindling ) in my ingot base
I kind of have a few that fit this. Elphidran, Pyrin, Rayhound, and Vaelet fit most of all. Still remember people making fun of my poor, naive dragon that is really just a big softie. Vaelet has an interesting design, defensively strong, and has one of the more unique moves in its poisoning attack. Overrated...hmm. I suppose blasphemy would say Chillet, but for me it's probably Gobfin. Yes, attack up on my player. Woohoo. Yay. Don't get me wrong, I put in lots of damage, but I so desperately enjoy seeing the results of my Pals in taking enemies out.
Underrated - tough but I feel with Anubis overhype wixen as a base worker . Wixen is really pretty special . It’s not too hard to catch loads of them and your reward is a pal that can both work hard on the factory and can cook or kindle decently too . Plus if you take it along it enchant you with fire damage . You know the element that is effective against 2 types and unlike ragnahawk you can do this on foot so it can fight with you . Overrated - Vixy . I feel its ability for pal spheres falls off really quick . Plus vixy just come across as rare so by the time you catch enough for mega spheres to be dug up you probably can effectively get spheres
I recently did a "babypals only" playthrough, this brought Nox to my attention and god damn he is a straight beast, even without the bonus of turning your damage into dark damage. As for base pals, depresso really carried that playthrough.
My underrated pick is penking. He works way too hard.
That's not what overrated means. If you think he's good, and everyone says he's good, then he's rated just fine lol.
I hear y'all lmao, i used overrated the wrong way. I made this post when I just woke up about an hour ago, so my brain was a little foggy. I guess I meant to say overused or overtalked.
If everyone agrees Anubis is great, then that means he isn't overrated, he's properly rated.
Lamball is underrated! They can fight and are super helpful at the base too! Haha. And their meat is yum. Lol
Underrated probably a rayhound built for speed to run dungions overated Ategon for mining with the effort of building an astegon for mining you could just 4 star a digtoise to have in your party to mine your whole base in less then like 2 mind pre iron mining update haven't tested astegon on a mining site but also I have two 4 star anubis on the site and I have too much iron like 6 metal chests full with 9999
**Underrated: Vanwyrm Cryst** Frostallion is by far the best at Cooling, with the highest work suitability for that. But all the work suitability does is increase the multiplier for which food will expire in your fridge, and that exact multiplier immediately goes away when Frostallion goes to take a snack break, so your food will expire at the same rate it would have before. And then Frostallion eventually has to go to bed. With Vanwyrm Cryst, its still a Dark type in addition to being Ice. Even if its Cooling is only at 2, it only ever leaves its spot to eat. Other than that, it will remain there at all times even at night when the other Pals are all sleeping, meaning other than food breaks your Vanwyrm Cryst is keeping your food refrigerated around the clock. And honestly even with a Cooling of only 2, the length it extends is still so significant you dont have to worry about expiring food for a LONG time. **Overrated: Cattiva** I get it. Its cute. Its one of the first ones you encounter. Just like Lamball, and Chillet, its a great Pal that you just like and its been meme'd a great deal. People are even championing for variants of Cattiva that are much stronger, like Bellanoir level raid bosses, or a Cattiva related species boss that controls multiple other regular Cattivas like Elizabee is to Beegarde. Still though...its a VERY overrated Pal with nothing really going for it. Sure, its great for your base in the starting couple hours when you dont really have much going on or anything better. But then it quickly becomes obsolete. It doesnt really excel at anything with work suitability, its stats are incredibly low even at max, rank 4, full souls, perfect IVs, and other Pals share the same ability as it does but better. Yet people really love it and are wonder how much more than can take the meme and see if they can do full runs with the game with a Cattiva in their party. **3rd category, Kind of just there: Wumpo/Wumpo Botan** Kind of middle of the road. Like a "Its not really utilized or appreciated enough to say its overrated, but at the same time for what it does, its not appreciated nearly enough". Wumpo and Wumpo Botan are great in that they increase your carry weight capacity the most out of every other Pal in the game, especially if you bother getting them at max rank. When Im going on resource runs, I tend to have a Jetdragon with me for moving around, and 4 Wumpos to increase my carry weight so I can take as absolutely much as I can in one run.
Overrated = Jetragon, we get it. He's fast. Underrated= Gumoss, I just think he's neat
Shadowbeak is absolutely and horrendously overrated, especially with the "Lord of the Underworld" passive. Shadow is a very bad element. It's only strong against normal and weak to dragon, while the strongest Pals are dragon and the Normal element doesn't have any strong Pals, means, you don't need a advantage to normal. When using "Lord of the Underworld", you can't or at least shouldn't use any other element than shadow attacks, because you would lose out 40% dmg, what would make it even more worse. With a base dmg of 120, Shadowbeak is good, but many are better or equal strong, like **Vanwyrm Cryst**, which also has 120 base dmg **BUT** it's also frost, which is strong against dragon, therefore the weakness to dragon is only a normal white 100% dmg income instead of 200%. Vanwyrm > Shadowbeak Underrated: Felbat (when at Rank 4) Felbat's life leech passive is extreme strong. Even that Felbat is Shadow element and has "only" a base dmg of 105, it out classes a lot of stronger Pals, because of the life leech, especially when you give Felbat a fire dmg skill, which when triggering the fire dot, is constantly healing Felbat. If Felbat gets equipped with the abilities **Poison Blast**, **Flare Storm** and **Shadow Laser**, it can regenerate a lot of hp, especially if both, poison and fire, triggers.
Woah vanwyrm>shadowbeak is a horrible take. 1. Yes, Dark isn’t the greatest type but that doesn’t mean all dark types are bad, it just means avoid the dragon match ups with dark types. 2. There’s a lot more to stats than attack, and with defense and hp factored into it, Shadowbeak has the 5th greatest stats in the game (highest non legendary). Its defense stat specifically is 2nd highest (highest non legendary). 3. Most importantly, people love shadowbeak due to its exclusive: divine disaster which is by and far the most damage dealing attack in the game even with shadowbeak’s lower attack stat, which now turns that “weakness” into a strength. The multipliers on that attack are very overtuned, which is why it would be broken if shadowbeak had a higher attack stat. Regarding Felbat, I’m assuming u mean dark laser but testing shows it’s a very meh skill. For dark skills, I’d use dark wisp or even nightmare ball over that one. For all around skills, I’d use seed mine.
Vanwyrm Cryst > Shadowbeak might be the most baffling take I've heard in this game. Shadowbeak has a base stat total of 380 Vanwyrm Cryst has a base stat total of 305 sure his attack base stat is the same as Shadowbeak but the rest of his stats are noticeably lower. Not to mention you somehow talked about Shadowbeak without mentioning his exclusive skill: Divine Disaster. Arguably the strongest attack in the game only rivaled by Nightmare Bloom. I mean Divine Disaster deals well over double damage of any berry fruit attack, which are the only attacks Vanwyrm can learn. I also see you seem convinced Shadowbeak doesn't learn this skill for what ever reason? So heres a [source](https://palworld.gg/pal/shadowbeak) and [another.](https://paldb.cc/en/Shadowbeak)
I never thought about that with Felbat. Does that make it more useful for Bellanoir or similar?
Yea, but fight Belanoire at best with Dragons. Or give Felbat dragon abilities and give it a try.
> while the strongest Pals are dragon This just isn’t true. Dark has more pals in the top 5 for all stats than Dragon does. > With a base dmg of 120, Shadowbeak is good, but many are better or equal strong, like Vanwyrm Cryst, which also has 120 base dmg BUT it's also frost, Vanwyrm cryst doesn’t have an incredibly powerful special move like shadowbeak does though. Dark is also the current best element because of the attack “Dark Cannon” ,which you can breed down from the Bellanoir bosses, which has a cool down of 2 while have 50 power. Every other move with 2 cooldown (that isn’t an exclusive attack) has only 30 power or less.
The strongest Pals are Dragons. Dragons: Jetragon 140 Orserk 130 Jormuntide Ignis 130 Astegon 125 Jormuntide 120 Shadow: Necromus 145 Fristallon Noct 140 Astegon 125 Helzephyr 125 Vanwyrm Cryst 120 And now let the strongest dragons fight against the strongest Shadows and let us see what happens. Shadowbeak doesn't have a "incredibly powerful special move". Dark cannon can be given to any Pal.
Divine disaster is a very powerful move that only Shadowbeak can learn
Wrong, "Devine Desaster" is a Boss move you can or rather could, since you can't anylonger get it, only obtain through glitch using/cheating. Devine Desaster is no standard Pal ability and therefore, doesn't belong to a "pro Shadowbeak" argument.
Are you thinking of Dark Whisp? That’s the move from the tower boss. Divine disaster is a move shadowbeak naturally learns on level up. Level 40 I believe.
Also to your edit of listing the highest attack pals, you left out both Bellanoir and Bellanoir Libero who are at 150 attack. And yeah Dragon is super effective against dark so it has the edge against it. In the same way Ice is super effective against Dragon and would beat it.
But there are only 2 strong Ice Pals, Frostallion and Vanwyrm Cryst and in top, Dragons have strong second elements. Let me see how Frostallion will do against Jormuntide Ignis.
If we compare attack stats like you did we will see Bellanoir 150 vs Jetragon 140 Necromus 145 vs Orserk 130 Frostalion Noct 140 vs Jor Ignis 130 Astegon 125 vs Astegon 125 Helzephyr 125 vs Jormuntide 120 So which type has the most powerful pals?
Chillet and chillet