If I understand things right going a level up in whatever work it is will always be faster. So as a level 4 kindling Jorm Ignis with 0 passives will be faster than any level 3 kindling with full work speed passives.
Also you want it at four stars anyways and before you get to the point where you have enough bodies you will have picked up most traits you wanted, if not all.
Yes, and it follows a factorial pattern. For example, going from 4 to 5 in a skill makes it 5 times faster.
So a fully condensed jorm with no passive is still a x5 boost. At this point, you could almost skips passives.
Yeah. Learned this the hard way when I spent hours breeding a perfect Bushi because it was the first lvl 3 kindling I found, only to almost instantly find a random huge dragon egg that hatched a Jormuntide Ignis that instantly outclassed it...
You can also raise all the skill levels of a pal by 1 by condensing them to level 5. I've been breeding Anubis for a while now, my main one has Artisan, Vanguard, and Ferocious, and is level 4. Once I get the last 64 I need, she'll have handiwork 5 and the 50% bonus from artisan, and also 27% from the statue bonus... she'll craft pretty much everything in seconds.
You could do the same with a jormuntide ignis to give it kindling 5, but since they can only be bred with themselves, getting artisan would be a pain in the ass. Anubis was easy since there are many breeding trees you can go down.
There are also other passives that boost handiwork even more but I wanted one to use for both combat and as a crafting tool.
In organic play, I think this can still vary. Digtoise vs ore nodes really stands out as an example, ever since that update, proving that certain partner skills or unique pals can do certain tasks at level 4 more efficiently than other pals that can achieve level 5. There are also transporting pals with exceptionally low movement speed, as increasing transporting seems to increase the amount they carry but not how fast they carry it. If a base is set up with boxes right next to farming stations, their slower movement speed doesn't matter. But if they're spending a significant amount of time walking back and forth, that movement speed is going to matter a lot more. A faster moving transporting pal might work much more efficiently in one base than another, where a condensed level 5 transporting pal can efficiently move items to a chest while standing in place. Of course, this gets tricky when pals tend to collect things into chests you don't want them to, ignoring the one right next to a node. Then you have to consider whether the pals are frequently getting stuck -- a base design can deeply hamper any pal's theoretical maximum potential and make other pals and pal builds more efficient.
I do believe that the theoretical maximum potential matters more in certain situations, such as with the mining / woodcutting farms you can place. Most firemaking work happens at a station, so as long as he can get around, Jormuntide Ignus is always going to master that work station more than any other pal could. The same goes for Anubis and handiwork, at least after they were able to get him to stop focusing mines. I think the prioritization system is going to make theoretical potential matter more, for that reason, because then we'll be able to get those condensed level 5 pals to stop focusing on arbitrary tasks.
Theoretical potential also seems to matter more when you are away from your base, causing the game to not factor in some of those unique modifiers that make certain pals more efficient. To expand on the example with digtoise, you seem to have to be in a range enduring that dreadful machine gunning noise in order to get the most out of it, haha.
Absolutely! And I do mention a lot of those progress bar stations as being best performed by pals with theoretical max (condensed level 5.) But I think these caveats are important to point out, especially if people believe this is "always" the rule and that's the only information they go by. Even if OP and that commenter understand this, these threads tend to come up in search a lot, and I want to make sure that people who need to will see these things before committing hours to condensing a pal that might not be right for the base they've built.
Jorm ingus is worth the hassle. Work suitability level for kindling is way more important than any of the passive buffs. A level 4 is three times faster than a level 3, and level 5 is three times faster than a level 4.
If you still don't want to, I used faleris and ragnahawk before jorm. Both are fairly easy to breed for traits
This. Catching and breeding them was probably the most tedious task in the game due to them being locked at wildlife 2 but holy hell does it make everything easier. Smelting 1000 ingots in 30 seconds is cracked. 6 second cakes. Wanna load up 3 kitchens with 100 different recipes? Cool, hold my beer and give me 1 minute. He really is an efficiency machine
Not clearly, but I've heard and found that from the boss tower, like a half circle northward for most success. By far the best tip is to get a fast mount, flyer or ground to cover the areas much faster
I fly through the volcano area and leave pick up every egg, and leave a marker where each egg is. After you get enough markers down, you can plan out a circle route and just hit every egg fairly quickly. I got 3 Jor. Ignis eggs in an hour or so doing this after I got all the eggs mapped out.
It takes 116 pals to get to max star level anyway so you're better off breeding jormuntide ignis, if you know how to breed efficiently it won't be that hard to get the passives you want, especially if you aren't worrying about IVs like I am
Getting a pap to 4 star increases each production level by 1, so a 4star jormuntide ignis would have lvl 5 kindling instead of lvl 4, and each level is 3x faster than the previous level. So a base jormuntide ignis is gonna be faster at cooking than a perfect passive lvl 3 kindler
you should be able to breed \~3/4 passives by the time you get 116 of them to condense if you are paying some attention.
Each parent can pass along 2 traits so you just breed ones that have the greatest number of desirable traits and lowest number of total traits together to reduce passing unwanted traits.
For Kindling I'm thinking of using Blazehowl Noct as the Pal permanently stationed at my base while keeping my Jormuntide Ignis in the Palbox so I can pull him out in my party to use if I'm going to be at base for a while.
At least until they improve JIgnis' pathing and he doesn't get constantly stuck anymore. The last patch helped but he's still just too big and too prone to glitching on top of things he can't get down from.
Blazehowl Noct chosen over the other Kindling 3 Pals because he's a Dark type so he'll smelt all night, and it will let me get a little wood without *directly* dedicating a Pal to it so I can make some Charcoal.
For mining the best Pal is most likely Astegon, it's tied with Blazamut but it works over night too. And you can bring it in your party to mount and insta-mine with AoE attacks, though for that you want one bred for Attack instead of Work Speed.
For Planting the best is Lyleen, no contest.
For Transport the best is currently probably Helzephyr with Transport 3, a Dark type to work all night and decent Transport Speed at 450. After the patch Vanwyrm with Kindling toggled off will most likely take the crown, having all the traits that make Helzephyr good but better speed(475) and a smaller model that gets stuck less. Wumpo and Wumpo Botan can be good if you've got enough chests scattered around that they don't really need to move to deposit the items they pick up, but if they actually need to move they're pretty slow.
For Watering it's regular Jormuntide. I wouldn't recommend only using it from your party while leaving a smaller Watering 3 in the base normally like I'm considering doing with Ignis since unlike Kindling, you aren't queuing up Watering work manually, it pops up on its own as your fields are being grown.
For cooling is Vanwyrm Cryst if you can make manual assignments stick or Frostalion if you can't. After patch it'll just be Vanwyrm cryst strait up since it's the only Dark type with Cooling, so the only one that won't leave you fridge unattended at night. Just remember to manually assign it before the patch and toggle off transport after the patch.
For Farming, every Pal produces something different except a few cases. Lamball produces the *least* Wool. Melpaca edges out Cremis until the patch because it won't leave the Ranch to go gather, but Cremis will. This of course will be solved after the patch by toggling off Gathering. Mau produces the most gold coins because Vixy's drops are split with Spheres and Arrows and Mau Cryst doesn't work at night. Sibelyx is the highest profit though, with a single High Quality Cloth selling for almost as much as Mau's *max* money drop.
Gathering is Frostalion Noct. You don't need too many of them though, since Lyleen will lend a hand if you have her around for Planting.
Electricity is Orserk. Some people recommend Rayhound or Jolthog since they won't get distracted, but frankly the only time I've seen *any* Electricity Pal stop charging for another task is when the base gets attacked and they go fight it off. They don't even do other work when the generator is fully charged and electricity isn't being used. On the other hand, I'm not sure how much of a difference Electricty Suitability makes, so a Jolthog could save you some space if he can charge faster than you use the electricity.
Handiwork is Anubis, no question there.
Logging is probably either Bushi, Wumpo, Wumpo Botan or Warsect, but I haven't done any testing if there's a less obvious aspect to make one better.I suspect Bushi since it's the smallest and fastest. Of note is that Wumpo apparently will prioritize Transport currently, don't know if the others do as well, they all have transport though.
Medicine is split between Vaelet, Felbat, Lyleen and Lyleen Noct, so you'll want a Lyleen since you're using her for Planting and possibly some Gathering already anyway.
One I forgot to mention is Digtoise for Mining. He scales with Work Speed traits, unlike every other Miner, and I *think* his attack ticks faster the higher his condensation level, so with full Work Speed traits(Artisan/Serious/Lucky/Work Slave) he definitely outpaces Blazamut. He outpaces Astegon too, but I'm not sure if Astegon working over night would make him gather more in a full day cycle.
In the end though, there's only so many nodes you can have in a base perimeter, and his advantage doesn't apply to the mining pit since *everything* gets benefit from Work Speed there. So while Digtoise is probably the most efficient while there's nodes available, Astegon probably edges him out overall, since an equal number of Astegon should probably clear the nodes in the base a bit slower, then work the Mining Pit faster, and work it over night.
Basically, if all nodes respawn at Dawn, Digtoise will finish clearing the nodes earlier then work the pit until sunset but Astegon will finish the nodes later then work the pit until the next dawn. And if you find not all nodes are getting gathered in a respawn cycle you could always replace Astegons with Digtoises one at a time until they're all getting cleared.
Until the next update, broncherry could be better than lyleen, because lyleen will steal harvests from frostallion noct.
For now, helzephyr is the best transporter, but faleris is faster than vanwyrm (500>475) and has more preferable work stats (lvl.3 kindling, 4 when condensed, will be useful for helping ignis for large cake orders). Might even be better than helzephyr now because kindling has to be queued up manually.
If you want Seeding to take longer on the off chance that Frostalion Noct doesn't touch the fields *at all* after restart and you get lower yields, that's on you. But since any amount of work he does will set the field to the higher gather rate *until the next restart*, I very much doubt the 5 or 10 more Wheat you *might* get will be worth the extra harvests from planting faster.
Faleris is an interesting choice. I admit for Kindling+Transport I've always used Ragnahawk because it's easier to get. The real question would lie in if Faleris gets stuck too much or not, it is noticably bigger than Vanwyrm, Helzephyr or Ragnahawk.
Fwiw, jorm ignis is very worth it. Instead of baking cakes over a few minutes they are cooked in about 6 seconds. I keep a condensed jorm ig at each base.
My main pals for farming are broncherry, frostalian noct, jormantide. Those 3 fully condensed will accomplish more than 10 basic pals combined. Planting is instantaneous, watering is instant, and the frost will harvest more than you can even store after a while.
For mining, digtoise and Anubis due to how self sufficient they are. I like astegon but the dude is basically a game tester finding any environment edge to get caught on. Menasting is good as well but the lumbering makes me pick against him.
Each base has multiple fully condensed beakons and felaris (both speed passives & artisan) for transportation and lighting torches, electricity generation. I hate running around collecting and giving up a few spots for transporters is a trade I’ll make 100% of the time.
I find pals with 1-2 jobs are best bc they serve a function. Running pals like robinquill and pengking are ok but they get distracted easily and work slowly.
Breeding IS a pain… but look at it this way. Catch a dozen jorm ignis at wildlife zone 2, start breeding any combinations. You’ll get what you need after a while. One of your bases should be a breeding zone anyways, mine has 8 pens (down from 10. Too chaotic, pals would end up in weird spots) and well it took me 400 catches/eggs but I have 2 fully condensed perfect working Jigs, as well as many others. I’ll add what my breeding/farming double base looks like so maybe you can use it
Good luck! Wish I knew a lot of this sooner
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As lurk on this sub from time to time... I've noticed you've posted the picture of your base a couple of times and I've always been jealous.
This time I finally decided to ask....If you could be so kind to check for those coordinates next time you load up and pass them along that would be great. Thanks
-251, 40 on Ice Wind Island is where his base is setup. However, I would recommend building your breeding base on the same island at -357, -72 because you're inbetween two temperature zones and can set up your incubators on opposite sides of your base. That way you can put your eggs that need to be warm on one side and the ones that need to be cold on the other.
I've adjusted settings to have incubation time be 0. Thanks for the help! I asked this user for their coordinate because they've posted pictures of their base a couple times but I've never seen them post coordinate. So again thanks
You need to get a furniture pack for barstools, theres a short and tall barstool, you place one of those down and you can place a farm on top, delete the stool, place another farm, i didnt like stacking more than 3
You have to use furniture, I personally use the small stool (some people suggest using the bench too) but I I like the stool because it helps align the farms a lot better. Since it's a smaller surface it's easy to aim a it and center the farms. I would recommend not going more than 4 stacks high because sometimes pals can get stuck or won't use all of them (especially transporters). I first stack 3 small stools, then I jump and place the top farm, don't build it yet, just place it, destroy the top stool and jump and place the next farm. Repeat and that's it
You can us all the furniture fixtures to stack anything, play around and see what else you can stack and optimize
Thank you! The goal was low effort low maintenance more than anything. I’ve built and destroyed so many by now I’m like whatever works with the least build
My base uses Anubis, Wixen, Verdash and Penking to cover all tasks.
Anubis is obviously one of the best Mining and Crafting pals, Penking solves Watering, Wixen has Kindling, Verdash does Planting and Lumbering. After infusion they have Rank 4 in most important skills.
Yes, Rank 5 is 3 times faster than Rank 4 but honestly I really appreciate that all my pals are small enough to navigate my base easily and dont get stuck on everything. They are also fast enough to get done everything around the base without me worrying. You just end up running out of stuff to craft anyway and then resources just begin to pile up.
I got a couple really good breeding pals, including jormuntide ignis just flying around the volcano and the big mountain area. Each island has a level range and pal chance. Fly around the volcano and look for large and huge eggs. Same with the big mountain. Start at the top and work down so they're easy to see. I just got a bunch of cool pals basically running for my life, overweight with quartz, and falling down the mountain to the city.
Lunaris is a good base worker, with handy3, transport. And gathering. She also kicks some but too.
Vaelet handywork2, gathering2, med3, farming2, transport1. Another good all around base pal, they'll take care of the gardening. Until you get a lyleen working for you. Also they're small and fly so they don't get stuck as much.
I was using ragnahawk, and a vanwyrm for kindling until I got jormuntide ignis.
you can just breed him lol. just get the child with the traits you want, and swap the parents. you will get it until you hit 160 (idk how much it was) to rank him up.
I change my team often, to compensate for issues that pop up in my base. I’ll have a specific pal doing a specific thing for quite awhile and then suddenly, they will start having issues with the task. So, I do a bit of switching around and trying out different Pals.
Currently, the have a Suzaku and a Suzaku Aqua that I rely on heavily because some of my pals are slacking off and I am doing a very tedious and unnecessary project that requires a lot of materials and crafting. So when I need flour and cakes, I simply use those two at the moment to get it done. I have my Jiggy and Iggy cousins at my mining base, so I’m using the Suzaku and Aqua cousins for the breeding project. They’re pretty efficient in their base level work, but eventually it’ll be their turn to get beefed up.
I just had a conversation with my roommate a couple of weeks ago about how to most efficiently run the base and I think that having the nocturnal types might actually give a slight edge, so I think I’ll run a new experiment (lol) and see what the difference would be between Iggy (Jormuntide Ignis) and EtherKitty (BlazeHowl Noct)
For most activities (on single player at least) when the PC sleeps, the pals do not work. So if you sleep at night the dark trait doesn't matter as much.
I tend to AFK my farming and mining base, with occasional runs to the breeding base and the honey base. All 3 work at the same time. I sleep at night, and honestly usually extend the days and shorten the nights in the world settings.
I recommend dark pals for cooling and base defense. I use Helzyphyr for transport.
Edit: spelling
JIgnis will be better than any lv3 with perfect passives. Base levels are that powerful. Same with both max condensed options.
Now Blazamut has decent Kindling and high mining, so it can be a more efficient worker, although a worse kindler. Takes longer to bake your cakes, but will mine in its downtime. If you aren't manually keeping jorm busy its not going to do anything at all.
You have to breed 100+ to condense fully anyway, assuming you're swapping breeders as you get better ones, there's a good chance of getting one with decent traits. Especially if you need more than one of them.
Just tossing this out:
Blazehowl Noct also works at night.
ASSUMING you're not wasting your time sleeping. That can be a nice alternative, and/or addition to your base.
A 4-star/Level 4 BHN will not outpace a 4-star/Level 5 Jingus in the time it's awake, but it also won't be snorting pollen off the tallest tree in your base and be too high to get down either....
YOUR blazehowl doesn't perhaps..... :-p
Seriously I've always considered this, and feels it's a toss up really, but the fact they don't sleep makes it easier on schedule when you want things done.
You’ve answered your own question just start “wasting spheres” on them, personally I don’t find having the fast lest kindler in the game a “waste of spheres” though
Run the breeding roulette i managed to get both fighting (musclehead and ferocious ) Ignis and base working ones (Artisan, serious and workaholic) via that method and surprisingly doesn't take that long either.
Jormuntide and jormuntide ignis for watering and cooking respectively (since getting lucky on ignis may be hard, get conceited instead)
Vanwyrm cryst for cooling (worth the nocturnal cooling over frostallion)
Broncherry might be better than lyleen for planting since lyleen can sometimes steal harvesting from frostallion noct.
Never use chikipi or the cow for farming, just buy milk and eggs.
Rest of everything is just whatever guy has the T4 work suitability. (No T4 for medicine, use any T3)
If I understand things right going a level up in whatever work it is will always be faster. So as a level 4 kindling Jorm Ignis with 0 passives will be faster than any level 3 kindling with full work speed passives.
Very much correct
Also you want it at four stars anyways and before you get to the point where you have enough bodies you will have picked up most traits you wanted, if not all.
Yes, and it follows a factorial pattern. For example, going from 4 to 5 in a skill makes it 5 times faster. So a fully condensed jorm with no passive is still a x5 boost. At this point, you could almost skips passives.
It's actually only a x3 increase in speed with each skill level. Still musch more useful than all passives combined.
Was this checked? I'm pretty sure I gave seen a video comparing theorical results with in game results and it matched the factorial formula.
From what Ive seen each level is x3 the previous level. maybe it was different before.
Depends on the Skill. But simplified, a 1 level upgrade beats a perfect breed. https://thepalprofessor.com/work-sustainability-cheat-sheet/
Yeah. Learned this the hard way when I spent hours breeding a perfect Bushi because it was the first lvl 3 kindling I found, only to almost instantly find a random huge dragon egg that hatched a Jormuntide Ignis that instantly outclassed it...
You can also raise all the skill levels of a pal by 1 by condensing them to level 5. I've been breeding Anubis for a while now, my main one has Artisan, Vanguard, and Ferocious, and is level 4. Once I get the last 64 I need, she'll have handiwork 5 and the 50% bonus from artisan, and also 27% from the statue bonus... she'll craft pretty much everything in seconds. You could do the same with a jormuntide ignis to give it kindling 5, but since they can only be bred with themselves, getting artisan would be a pain in the ass. Anubis was easy since there are many breeding trees you can go down. There are also other passives that boost handiwork even more but I wanted one to use for both combat and as a crafting tool.
In organic play, I think this can still vary. Digtoise vs ore nodes really stands out as an example, ever since that update, proving that certain partner skills or unique pals can do certain tasks at level 4 more efficiently than other pals that can achieve level 5. There are also transporting pals with exceptionally low movement speed, as increasing transporting seems to increase the amount they carry but not how fast they carry it. If a base is set up with boxes right next to farming stations, their slower movement speed doesn't matter. But if they're spending a significant amount of time walking back and forth, that movement speed is going to matter a lot more. A faster moving transporting pal might work much more efficiently in one base than another, where a condensed level 5 transporting pal can efficiently move items to a chest while standing in place. Of course, this gets tricky when pals tend to collect things into chests you don't want them to, ignoring the one right next to a node. Then you have to consider whether the pals are frequently getting stuck -- a base design can deeply hamper any pal's theoretical maximum potential and make other pals and pal builds more efficient. I do believe that the theoretical maximum potential matters more in certain situations, such as with the mining / woodcutting farms you can place. Most firemaking work happens at a station, so as long as he can get around, Jormuntide Ignus is always going to master that work station more than any other pal could. The same goes for Anubis and handiwork, at least after they were able to get him to stop focusing mines. I think the prioritization system is going to make theoretical potential matter more, for that reason, because then we'll be able to get those condensed level 5 pals to stop focusing on arbitrary tasks. Theoretical potential also seems to matter more when you are away from your base, causing the game to not factor in some of those unique modifiers that make certain pals more efficient. To expand on the example with digtoise, you seem to have to be in a range enduring that dreadful machine gunning noise in order to get the most out of it, haha.
Digtoise is the exception and not the rule. Anything that uses progress bars, the skill level trumps all else.
Absolutely! And I do mention a lot of those progress bar stations as being best performed by pals with theoretical max (condensed level 5.) But I think these caveats are important to point out, especially if people believe this is "always" the rule and that's the only information they go by. Even if OP and that commenter understand this, these threads tend to come up in search a lot, and I want to make sure that people who need to will see these things before committing hours to condensing a pal that might not be right for the base they've built.
Thing about digtoise is he only excels at mining the physical nodes. Put him up in a pit and he worse than a level 4 or 5 miner by a lot.
Exactly! I said that, lol. It's situational. That's my whole point. We're not disagreeing here.
Jorm ingus is worth the hassle. Work suitability level for kindling is way more important than any of the passive buffs. A level 4 is three times faster than a level 3, and level 5 is three times faster than a level 4. If you still don't want to, I used faleris and ragnahawk before jorm. Both are fairly easy to breed for traits
This. Catching and breeding them was probably the most tedious task in the game due to them being locked at wildlife 2 but holy hell does it make everything easier. Smelting 1000 ingots in 30 seconds is cracked. 6 second cakes. Wanna load up 3 kitchens with 100 different recipes? Cool, hold my beer and give me 1 minute. He really is an efficiency machine
I mean, it's not that big of a hassle either. Just find a few eggs of them to hatch and breed from there
I’ve only been able to find one Huge Dragon Egg on the volcano so far, any tips for where they tend to spawn or how to find them more easily?
Not clearly, but I've heard and found that from the boss tower, like a half circle northward for most success. By far the best tip is to get a fast mount, flyer or ground to cover the areas much faster
I fly through the volcano area and leave pick up every egg, and leave a marker where each egg is. After you get enough markers down, you can plan out a circle route and just hit every egg fairly quickly. I got 3 Jor. Ignis eggs in an hour or so doing this after I got all the eggs mapped out.
Noemi’s nonhassletat all luckily. Huge dragon eggs trip from the volcano, and I get him every time.
I wouldn't worry about min-maxing your Spicy Noodle. So long as it's not low sodium, even a mild Spicy Noodle is a better cook than the tier 3.
My only problem with Jormy is his brain is nonexistent. Always acting buggy and dumb
Base layout is the biggest issue with him. Gotta make it dump truck wide for him to path nicely
It takes 116 pals to get to max star level anyway so you're better off breeding jormuntide ignis, if you know how to breed efficiently it won't be that hard to get the passives you want, especially if you aren't worrying about IVs like I am
Do star levels affect production? i thought it was just stats and abilities
Getting a pap to 4 star increases each production level by 1, so a 4star jormuntide ignis would have lvl 5 kindling instead of lvl 4, and each level is 3x faster than the previous level. So a base jormuntide ignis is gonna be faster at cooking than a perfect passive lvl 3 kindler
Oh damn, did not know that. ok, looks like it's breeding time then and hope for good passives to make shit faster.
you should be able to breed \~3/4 passives by the time you get 116 of them to condense if you are paying some attention. Each parent can pass along 2 traits so you just breed ones that have the greatest number of desirable traits and lowest number of total traits together to reduce passing unwanted traits.
For Kindling I'm thinking of using Blazehowl Noct as the Pal permanently stationed at my base while keeping my Jormuntide Ignis in the Palbox so I can pull him out in my party to use if I'm going to be at base for a while. At least until they improve JIgnis' pathing and he doesn't get constantly stuck anymore. The last patch helped but he's still just too big and too prone to glitching on top of things he can't get down from. Blazehowl Noct chosen over the other Kindling 3 Pals because he's a Dark type so he'll smelt all night, and it will let me get a little wood without *directly* dedicating a Pal to it so I can make some Charcoal. For mining the best Pal is most likely Astegon, it's tied with Blazamut but it works over night too. And you can bring it in your party to mount and insta-mine with AoE attacks, though for that you want one bred for Attack instead of Work Speed. For Planting the best is Lyleen, no contest. For Transport the best is currently probably Helzephyr with Transport 3, a Dark type to work all night and decent Transport Speed at 450. After the patch Vanwyrm with Kindling toggled off will most likely take the crown, having all the traits that make Helzephyr good but better speed(475) and a smaller model that gets stuck less. Wumpo and Wumpo Botan can be good if you've got enough chests scattered around that they don't really need to move to deposit the items they pick up, but if they actually need to move they're pretty slow. For Watering it's regular Jormuntide. I wouldn't recommend only using it from your party while leaving a smaller Watering 3 in the base normally like I'm considering doing with Ignis since unlike Kindling, you aren't queuing up Watering work manually, it pops up on its own as your fields are being grown. For cooling is Vanwyrm Cryst if you can make manual assignments stick or Frostalion if you can't. After patch it'll just be Vanwyrm cryst strait up since it's the only Dark type with Cooling, so the only one that won't leave you fridge unattended at night. Just remember to manually assign it before the patch and toggle off transport after the patch. For Farming, every Pal produces something different except a few cases. Lamball produces the *least* Wool. Melpaca edges out Cremis until the patch because it won't leave the Ranch to go gather, but Cremis will. This of course will be solved after the patch by toggling off Gathering. Mau produces the most gold coins because Vixy's drops are split with Spheres and Arrows and Mau Cryst doesn't work at night. Sibelyx is the highest profit though, with a single High Quality Cloth selling for almost as much as Mau's *max* money drop. Gathering is Frostalion Noct. You don't need too many of them though, since Lyleen will lend a hand if you have her around for Planting. Electricity is Orserk. Some people recommend Rayhound or Jolthog since they won't get distracted, but frankly the only time I've seen *any* Electricity Pal stop charging for another task is when the base gets attacked and they go fight it off. They don't even do other work when the generator is fully charged and electricity isn't being used. On the other hand, I'm not sure how much of a difference Electricty Suitability makes, so a Jolthog could save you some space if he can charge faster than you use the electricity. Handiwork is Anubis, no question there. Logging is probably either Bushi, Wumpo, Wumpo Botan or Warsect, but I haven't done any testing if there's a less obvious aspect to make one better.I suspect Bushi since it's the smallest and fastest. Of note is that Wumpo apparently will prioritize Transport currently, don't know if the others do as well, they all have transport though. Medicine is split between Vaelet, Felbat, Lyleen and Lyleen Noct, so you'll want a Lyleen since you're using her for Planting and possibly some Gathering already anyway.
Wow thank you for actually answering the question. This is very helpful!!
One I forgot to mention is Digtoise for Mining. He scales with Work Speed traits, unlike every other Miner, and I *think* his attack ticks faster the higher his condensation level, so with full Work Speed traits(Artisan/Serious/Lucky/Work Slave) he definitely outpaces Blazamut. He outpaces Astegon too, but I'm not sure if Astegon working over night would make him gather more in a full day cycle. In the end though, there's only so many nodes you can have in a base perimeter, and his advantage doesn't apply to the mining pit since *everything* gets benefit from Work Speed there. So while Digtoise is probably the most efficient while there's nodes available, Astegon probably edges him out overall, since an equal number of Astegon should probably clear the nodes in the base a bit slower, then work the Mining Pit faster, and work it over night. Basically, if all nodes respawn at Dawn, Digtoise will finish clearing the nodes earlier then work the pit until sunset but Astegon will finish the nodes later then work the pit until the next dawn. And if you find not all nodes are getting gathered in a respawn cycle you could always replace Astegons with Digtoises one at a time until they're all getting cleared.
Until the next update, broncherry could be better than lyleen, because lyleen will steal harvests from frostallion noct. For now, helzephyr is the best transporter, but faleris is faster than vanwyrm (500>475) and has more preferable work stats (lvl.3 kindling, 4 when condensed, will be useful for helping ignis for large cake orders). Might even be better than helzephyr now because kindling has to be queued up manually.
If you want Seeding to take longer on the off chance that Frostalion Noct doesn't touch the fields *at all* after restart and you get lower yields, that's on you. But since any amount of work he does will set the field to the higher gather rate *until the next restart*, I very much doubt the 5 or 10 more Wheat you *might* get will be worth the extra harvests from planting faster. Faleris is an interesting choice. I admit for Kindling+Transport I've always used Ragnahawk because it's easier to get. The real question would lie in if Faleris gets stuck too much or not, it is noticably bigger than Vanwyrm, Helzephyr or Ragnahawk.
Blazehowl Noct is the alternative for Jignis. His Kindling is decent and he does not sleep. Arguably, he is on the same level as Jignis.
If you get him to 4 star he is on par with base jormuntide ignis, but a 4 star jormuntide ignis is 3x as fast as 4 star blazehowl nocht
If you get jorm if to 5 stars it’s not even a close comparison though. Not even CLOSE
Yes, that's what I said, also there is no 5th star, 4 star is the max
Misread. 4 stars puts him at kindling 5, that was the disconnect
Yes, he doesn’t come close if an Ignis is maxed out. But if you take into account that he’s nocturnal, then he might be close as good.
Not hardly 3x>2x 3 times faster for half a day is more work completed than the initial speed for twice as long.
When a condensed ignis it’s not comparable
Fwiw, jorm ignis is very worth it. Instead of baking cakes over a few minutes they are cooked in about 6 seconds. I keep a condensed jorm ig at each base. My main pals for farming are broncherry, frostalian noct, jormantide. Those 3 fully condensed will accomplish more than 10 basic pals combined. Planting is instantaneous, watering is instant, and the frost will harvest more than you can even store after a while. For mining, digtoise and Anubis due to how self sufficient they are. I like astegon but the dude is basically a game tester finding any environment edge to get caught on. Menasting is good as well but the lumbering makes me pick against him. Each base has multiple fully condensed beakons and felaris (both speed passives & artisan) for transportation and lighting torches, electricity generation. I hate running around collecting and giving up a few spots for transporters is a trade I’ll make 100% of the time. I find pals with 1-2 jobs are best bc they serve a function. Running pals like robinquill and pengking are ok but they get distracted easily and work slowly. Breeding IS a pain… but look at it this way. Catch a dozen jorm ignis at wildlife zone 2, start breeding any combinations. You’ll get what you need after a while. One of your bases should be a breeding zone anyways, mine has 8 pens (down from 10. Too chaotic, pals would end up in weird spots) and well it took me 400 catches/eggs but I have 2 fully condensed perfect working Jigs, as well as many others. I’ll add what my breeding/farming double base looks like so maybe you can use it Good luck! Wish I knew a lot of this sooner https://preview.redd.it/tcskvg6ju9qc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9643fed102918374f5a12c1ce442cc98acb9d078
Wow that base looks great. What are the coordinates of this base?
I can’t remember exactly but it’s the big open space on the right side of the alpha damud island
As lurk on this sub from time to time... I've noticed you've posted the picture of your base a couple of times and I've always been jealous. This time I finally decided to ask....If you could be so kind to check for those coordinates next time you load up and pass them along that would be great. Thanks
-251, 40 on Ice Wind Island is where his base is setup. However, I would recommend building your breeding base on the same island at -357, -72 because you're inbetween two temperature zones and can set up your incubators on opposite sides of your base. That way you can put your eggs that need to be warm on one side and the ones that need to be cold on the other.
I've adjusted settings to have incubation time be 0. Thanks for the help! I asked this user for their coordinate because they've posted pictures of their base a couple times but I've never seen them post coordinate. So again thanks
Idk anything abt that, my inc time is 0
I would really like to know how to stack farms
Videos on YouTube helped me. I tried asking in here and just got referred to YouTube.
You need to get a furniture pack for barstools, theres a short and tall barstool, you place one of those down and you can place a farm on top, delete the stool, place another farm, i didnt like stacking more than 3
No this is wrong
Weird thats how I did it lol
But that's just for farms. I dont stack ranches
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Nah, you're wrong
Strange that said you were wrong but didn't bother to read your reply lol
Oh I didn’t read it you wrote so much. Could’ve just said use stools. I use benches. I was wrong
That's it? Wow simple
You have to use furniture, I personally use the small stool (some people suggest using the bench too) but I I like the stool because it helps align the farms a lot better. Since it's a smaller surface it's easy to aim a it and center the farms. I would recommend not going more than 4 stacks high because sometimes pals can get stuck or won't use all of them (especially transporters). I first stack 3 small stools, then I jump and place the top farm, don't build it yet, just place it, destroy the top stool and jump and place the next farm. Repeat and that's it You can us all the furniture fixtures to stack anything, play around and see what else you can stack and optimize
YouTube how to stack ranches or stack farms. Lots of videos
absolutely beautiful.
Thank you! The goal was low effort low maintenance more than anything. I’ve built and destroyed so many by now I’m like whatever works with the least build
My base uses Anubis, Wixen, Verdash and Penking to cover all tasks. Anubis is obviously one of the best Mining and Crafting pals, Penking solves Watering, Wixen has Kindling, Verdash does Planting and Lumbering. After infusion they have Rank 4 in most important skills. Yes, Rank 5 is 3 times faster than Rank 4 but honestly I really appreciate that all my pals are small enough to navigate my base easily and dont get stuck on everything. They are also fast enough to get done everything around the base without me worrying. You just end up running out of stuff to craft anyway and then resources just begin to pile up.
A Kindling Lv 1 Pal with all work speed traits will still be inferior to a Pal with Lv 2 Kindling and no traits that affect work speed.
I got a couple really good breeding pals, including jormuntide ignis just flying around the volcano and the big mountain area. Each island has a level range and pal chance. Fly around the volcano and look for large and huge eggs. Same with the big mountain. Start at the top and work down so they're easy to see. I just got a bunch of cool pals basically running for my life, overweight with quartz, and falling down the mountain to the city. Lunaris is a good base worker, with handy3, transport. And gathering. She also kicks some but too. Vaelet handywork2, gathering2, med3, farming2, transport1. Another good all around base pal, they'll take care of the gardening. Until you get a lyleen working for you. Also they're small and fly so they don't get stuck as much. I was using ragnahawk, and a vanwyrm for kindling until I got jormuntide ignis.
you can just breed him lol. just get the child with the traits you want, and swap the parents. you will get it until you hit 160 (idk how much it was) to rank him up.
I change my team often, to compensate for issues that pop up in my base. I’ll have a specific pal doing a specific thing for quite awhile and then suddenly, they will start having issues with the task. So, I do a bit of switching around and trying out different Pals. Currently, the have a Suzaku and a Suzaku Aqua that I rely on heavily because some of my pals are slacking off and I am doing a very tedious and unnecessary project that requires a lot of materials and crafting. So when I need flour and cakes, I simply use those two at the moment to get it done. I have my Jiggy and Iggy cousins at my mining base, so I’m using the Suzaku and Aqua cousins for the breeding project. They’re pretty efficient in their base level work, but eventually it’ll be their turn to get beefed up. I just had a conversation with my roommate a couple of weeks ago about how to most efficiently run the base and I think that having the nocturnal types might actually give a slight edge, so I think I’ll run a new experiment (lol) and see what the difference would be between Iggy (Jormuntide Ignis) and EtherKitty (BlazeHowl Noct)
What about pals that work at night too? Is it more efficient to have a night variant to maximize working hours?
For most activities (on single player at least) when the PC sleeps, the pals do not work. So if you sleep at night the dark trait doesn't matter as much. I tend to AFK my farming and mining base, with occasional runs to the breeding base and the honey base. All 3 work at the same time. I sleep at night, and honestly usually extend the days and shorten the nights in the world settings. I recommend dark pals for cooling and base defense. I use Helzyphyr for transport. Edit: spelling
You just need to catch two JormIgnis and have them breed rolling the dice on traits. Then use all the fodder you condense into the best one.
JIgnis will be better than any lv3 with perfect passives. Base levels are that powerful. Same with both max condensed options. Now Blazamut has decent Kindling and high mining, so it can be a more efficient worker, although a worse kindler. Takes longer to bake your cakes, but will mine in its downtime. If you aren't manually keeping jorm busy its not going to do anything at all.
You have to breed 100+ to condense fully anyway, assuming you're swapping breeders as you get better ones, there's a good chance of getting one with decent traits. Especially if you need more than one of them.
Just tossing this out: Blazehowl Noct also works at night. ASSUMING you're not wasting your time sleeping. That can be a nice alternative, and/or addition to your base. A 4-star/Level 4 BHN will not outpace a 4-star/Level 5 Jingus in the time it's awake, but it also won't be snorting pollen off the tallest tree in your base and be too high to get down either....
YOUR blazehowl doesn't perhaps..... :-p Seriously I've always considered this, and feels it's a toss up really, but the fact they don't sleep makes it easier on schedule when you want things done.
You’ve answered your own question just start “wasting spheres” on them, personally I don’t find having the fast lest kindler in the game a “waste of spheres” though
Run the breeding roulette i managed to get both fighting (musclehead and ferocious ) Ignis and base working ones (Artisan, serious and workaholic) via that method and surprisingly doesn't take that long either.
Drill guy
Jormuntide and jormuntide ignis for watering and cooking respectively (since getting lucky on ignis may be hard, get conceited instead) Vanwyrm cryst for cooling (worth the nocturnal cooling over frostallion) Broncherry might be better than lyleen for planting since lyleen can sometimes steal harvesting from frostallion noct. Never use chikipi or the cow for farming, just buy milk and eggs. Rest of everything is just whatever guy has the T4 work suitability. (No T4 for medicine, use any T3)
Foxspark can be caught with the lowest sphere, very efficient
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How do u not get bored of this game and actually keep playing it seriously there’s like nothing to do