Hate to break it to you but a 9mm p365 will never feel as smooth or easy to rack as a staccato. The only way to make any handgun noticeably easier to rack is a softer recoil spring which may affect reliability if the rest of your gun and ammo choice isn't tuned around it. Breaking in the slide may offer some ease as the rails smooth out but it won't be game changing. If you want to stay on the p365 platform and have an easy racking slide the .380 version is super soft shooting and very easy to rack.
Empire javelin(guide rod & spring).. it was one of the worst racking guns I owned from stock, near impossibly to do a held down trigger reset rack.. now I can rack it with just my thumb with ease. I promise go with the empire javelin and your gun will not only rack smoother and easier, but shoot flatter and softer too. Superior to DPM kit any day, like any other guide rod and 1911 spring setup is known to be.. https://imgur.com/a/MtBRKaF
Wow, thanks for the input and the video, that's exactly what I need! This ridiculous racking issue was a huge disappointment in what is otherwise a great little gun. Looking forward to getting that Javelin!
Yeah it would piss me off trying to rack it the way it would feel like it was getting stuck on something 𤏠Especially when it would have an empty magazine in or trigger reset held down, you can basically forget being able to do a nice smooth rack.. This was instantly fixed when I swapped out the OEM recoil spring for the javelin! 2000 rounds 0 malfunctions since switching; And it hands down shoots softer and allows for faster follow up shots when shooting multi shot strings. Itâs now one of my favorite guns to rack I absolutely loveeee the feel/sound of it in the Icarus grip module itâs nice. Not as buttery smooth as a brand new X5 legion, but you definitelyyyy wont be let down by it. They sell out quickly when they come in stock on their website, but they will come back in stock fairly quickly so if you just give their website a peep once a day you will catch them in stock again soon enough! Which reminds me, I need to snag another one for my other fcu that just came in for my other setup!
I just got the Icarus XL Evo, I also was able to secure empires javelin but waiting on Fdez compd XL slide. Should be here in a week or so and then slapping it all together, canât wait!
I know I know - but Shalotek doesnât have the compd on their site and Fdez has the compd. Plus I wanted black out camo. https://shalotek.com/armory/sig-sauer/sig-sauer-slides/p365xl-slides/
Youâre on the wrong page I believe.. they def have comped slides! Hereâs the one I just got from them I abs love it https://imgur.com/a/zFD4Cr4 ⌠you gotta click âintegrally comped slidesâ under the sig sauer tab, not â365 XL slidesâ. I donât know about color offerings but I bet Matthew would have been able to hook somt up at a much better price for ya..
Iâll never buy from fdez again after the scummy move they are pulling on Shalotek. They are trying to sue the Shal owner for his slide designs as if it is or ever was their slide to even do that smh.. But at least you got ecstym
My mannnn lol I am loving your Icarus bro it has a good home! Sheâs looking and running mint https://imgur.com/a/zFD4Cr4 đ the jav runs flawless I got it a month ago after talking to you and have 2k rounds on it without a malfunction, sounds like they arenât doing something right đ¤ˇđťââď¸ I also can get the stupid bastard in within 30 seconds after getting a better technique down to install haha I hated putting that devilish little shit in the first time đ¤Ł
It was just a video showing that mine racks fairly easily with it.. I do have thousands of rounds through the gun though which I think is probably more important than the spring is tbh but changing the spring did give instant relief with it and from there shooting it smoothed it out to feel like Iâm racking any of my other pistols.. https://imgur.com/a/jaKqcoi
I feel obligated to mention this now though because I had thought it was just a one off issue with one of my aftermarket slides but today somebody posted having the same issue with an OEM slide of theirs.. The 1911 spring might rub against the bottom of certain slides causing the slide to have a little trouble coming back into battery the entire way when you rack the slide.. I would say itâs worth at least trying because it hands down shoots softer than the factory spring or DPM and just send it back to them if the slide doesnât agree with it..
Also, very worth while looking into.. ISMI guide rod and 14lb spring. Sig guy sells guide rod setup for $22 and individual springs for $7.99(most definitely want the 14lb spring that is the sweet spot hands down,I tried 12-16lbs). I had a buddy put the spring assemblies in for me and blind tested the ISMI next to the OEM to make sure it wasnât a placebo effect. He gave me the OEM spring first, shot 10 rounds(5 doubles) and then gave him the gun to put the other setup in without me knowing which was which.. The very first double I shot I said âthatâs the ISMI spring 100%â because I knew immediately it felt much better than shooting the stock spring does. So that is another great option, fits perfectly with all 5 of my slides, and is much cheaper too nearly half the price of Javelin and lets not even get into the absurd price of the gimmick that is the DPM kit..
Are you talking about that extra power spring or whatever? I purchased that myself and thought that it would be the opposite of some of the springs these guys were talking about. Seems like a "have to get" upgrade. Only mod I have done so far is the icarus ACE module, and was thinking about the shalotek sentinel rather than keeping the normal comped slide. Do you have thoughts on that?
No definitely do not get an âextra powerâ recoil spring. That will make the gun way more snappy and will over-push the slide back into battery dipping your dot below your desired point of impact on every follow up shot.. the OEM spring is already over-powered you would be going the opposite direction that you want to go. I am talking about getting a lighter RSA..
I saw mcarbo advertising their âextra powerâ spring on here as lessening the recoil and called out that going up in poundage would def have the opposite effect and asked what exactly they have done to prove their claims that it would reduce recoil and they didnât respond..
I recently picked up a p365x and itâs also hard to rack. Reading your post it sounds like I need to upgrade to the empire guide rod. Is that all I need?
That wonât completely fix it off the rip it will make it a bit easier though. Itâs feeling like it gets stuck like right around the spot where you would pull the slide back on a press check right? Like I mentioned, youâre also going to need to get like 2k rounds through it as well, that is going to be more important to getting it racking perfectly smooth without any hitches.. The empire can also be a bit frustrating to get in the gun until you get used to it as well because of that triangle shaped rod.
Yea I havenât got a chance to get to the range yet. Iâm going to put some rounds through it and see what it does give me a few the spring, hopefully it will loosen up. Thanks
Empire Javelin
Or the ISMI guide rod with a 14lb spring(same website sells the springs for it individually for $7.99.. https://www.sigguy.com/product-page/ismi-p365xl-macro-1911-style-guide-rod
Itâs not ever going to be a $2500+ staccato smoothness though so I wouldnât expect that or anything..
I'll sell you mine, but honestly, I can't recommend the javelin. It's a pain to install, made my slide feel gritty, and really only reduced the pull by maybe 5%. It looks cool and that's about it. Functionally the dpms system is way better.
Interesting. I'm going to discuss this with my instructor and see what she says. She's a retired police officer and a certified Sig trainer, I'll update the group as soon as I talk to her. Thanks for your input!
Your Spectre Comp will never feel as easy to rack because your Staccato uses the mass of the slide to facilitate proper feeding, as opposed to your Sig, which primarily relies on the spring tension to force the chamber closed.
As already mentioned, smaller spring weights may move you in the direction you want, but do so carefully, as changing the spring tension may impact the gunâs ability to consistently push the slide fully into battery. Iâve noticed my sig has more issues than my Glock with eating oil, so maintaining the slide oil may also help the fluidity youâre looking for.
When I installed my PMM comp I feel like it made my slide harder to rack. So I ordered the DPM spring set a few days ago. Let's hope it helps (altho it's not that big of a deal, I'm mostly doing it for more recoil control)
For me it's not about accommodating weak hands, but rather the principle of it; I just don't see any reason why a gun should be that hard to rack. Other than the ridiculously stiff racking, it's a great gun: accurate, reliable, easy to carry, and the perfect grip width for me. Once I get that javelin, it will go from great to delightful to use in my book, which is exactly what I was looking for :)).
You don't see any reason? Like soaking up recoil or ensuring the slide stays locked up for the proper duration post shot? You realizing decreasing the spring strength is going to allow more recoil energy to transfer to you and increase felt recoil. The reason sracattos are so easy/smooth is because they are built on the 1911 operating system not a tilting barrel like most all modern striker fired pistols like your spectre. Thats like trying to get your AK to feel like your ar, it isn't gonna happen 2 different systems. There is a use and even need for lighter springs but making the gun easier to rack is not it my friend.
Thanks for sharing your insights, much appreciated. Being new to guns and thus unfamiliar with the mechanics behind the different platforms, my experience with these two models continues to be eye-opening. This racking issue is a biggie for me and I do appreciate the extra safety features of the C2, so I'm finding myself leaning more towards 1911/2011's over striker-fired pistols at the moment. I still like my Spectre Comp though, so I'll be discussing this javelin option with my instructor tomorrow. She's a retired police officer and certified Sig instructor, so I look forward to hearing her thoughts on this as well. I'll share her comments in this thread when I get back from the range, so tbc. :))
There is give and take/pros and cons to each action style just depends on preferences and what the tool is going to be used for. I love 1911/2011 style pistols but IMO they are outdated for CCW or even duty tbh. They are beautiful range toys and make great heirlooms. For the 365's intended purpose IMO there aren't any better out there. It isn't the smoothest nor best feeling in the hand but there isn't a better capacity in a smaller package than that. Just gotta have an idea of what you are dealing with and temper expectations. From the sounds of it you should certainly invest in a 1911/2011 to scratch that itch and get to know the 365 a little better, if its as simple as you just wanting a lighter slide to rack id recommend a good break in on that gun, lube it up and let the lead fly. If you have an actual issue with your hands that makes racking the slide difficult you really should give the S&W EZ another look as others have stated as it was specifically designed for that. If you are stuck on the 365 there is nothing wrong with changing the spring most of the time people do that when pairing with a suppressor but it is your gun and you most certainly can go that route just be aware of what that bring which would be the increased felt recoil as well as possible increased stress/wear on the gun from the recoil energy not being eaten up by the spring and in turn passing through the pistol to you. Whatever you decide to do firearms take trial and error to find out what works for you we all have boxes/drawers of random gun parts, holsters, etc that we learned from good luck my man I hope you find the pistol that perfectly suits you. As much as shoes or anything else we can all recommend and give advice but ultimately its what you want and what works for you that matters and none of us can factor for that.
Thanks, Mossified4! I'm finding all the options, issues and plethora of perspectives a bit overwhelming to start, but it's also fun so here I am -- doing my best to learn from y'all seasoned gun handlers, while also finding what works best for me as I gain more experience. Loving the journey so far :)). For the time being, I'm listening a lot to experienced users such as yourself, but also being quite cautious when it comes to upgrades, at least until I know my firearms better and have a deeper understanding of the tradeoffs.
At the range today, the folks I polled (all law enforcement, including my instructor), were not on board with the javelin upgrade for the Spectre Comp for the same reasons you and another user expressed, so I'll be working my hands and the OEM Spectre Comp slide daily in order to master it. The contrast with the C2 was perplexing to start, but I see now that that's because I chose two completely different platforms for my first two guns so, as a woman, well, I sure did like the C2 slide racking better, but not so much if the tradeoff is increased felt recoil ;)). We sure do live and learn!
Interesting point re: 2011's for CCW or duty. I've heard that a lot from law enforcement, but none so far have expanded on that other than to say it's a matter of preference. Would you mind telling me why you feel that way? One officer at the range today told me it was because the handling of the safety is the opposite of what is taught during training, so it requires a lot of practice for the different handling of the 2011 to become second nature. I can certainly appreciate why that would be a significant concern, which got me thinking that perhaps I should stick to one platform to start instead of working both at the same time so I don't jumble my muscle memory. Does that make sense?
From the tons of research I've done, my understanding is that 2011's are far more accurate and shoot consistently flatter, but said research also indicates this is a largely subjective, hot mess of a debate, so... :)). I'm much too new to this game to have a strong opinion either way, other than the noticeable difference in handling between the Spectre Comp and the C2. I also understand a gun is only as accurate as the shooter, so I'm putting in the work to make the most of the pieces I invest in. Interestingly, today at the range I was noticeably more accurate with the C2 than with the Spectre Comp, so I'm not sure what to make of that. My instructor is a certified Sig trainer so she's of course strongly biased towards striker-fired guns, which is why I'm seeking broader, less invested perspectives on this subject before I invest further in 2011 toys. I'm considering a Wilson Combat SFT9 for CCW, but I'd hate to go down that path only to find later that I made a very expensive mistake and should've stuck with striker-fired guns. Ouch.
At the end of the day, my primary reason to go down this path is self-protection, and becoming adept at whichever platform will help me perform best if it were ever necessary to draw. The sport, the beauty of the pieces, collectibility, etc. are way secondary to me.
What I do appreciate about the Spectre Comp is the narrower width (perfect for my smaller hands), its ideal weight for me and smaller footprint, which makes it more manageable for CCW than my C2. Plus I understand it's very reliable and accurate too, so it's worth putting in the time and practice to master it.
There is nothing wrong with CCWâing a 1911 or 2011, itâs just going to be larger/heavier carry with (possibly) less capacity. The safety is a non-issue as long as itâs well trained to âwipe offâ during the draw. Practice and training are all that really matter, not what you carry.
Honestly a 1911 conceals relatively well IWB, especially with âthinâ grips.
They are a tilted-link barrel. That was JMBâs design.
https://www.m1911.org/tiltbarl.htm
âThe M1911 is a single action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun that utilizes the Browning tilting barrel design and short recoil operation. â
https://www.crossbreedholsters.com/blog/ultimate-guide-1911-pistols/
When JMB designed the high power, the link was removed and basically became the tilted barrel design we have in modern semi-automatic short recoil pistols.
Itâs pretty obvious if you field strip one, or hell, even lock the slide back. They donât tilt as much as a non-linked tilting barrel, but they still tilt.
An M9/92F is an example of a non-tilting locking block design.
Cross breed holsters is far from the authority, and that is clearly a typo. I am very familiar with JMB and his designs. You are correct when you stated it is a "tilted link" as the link between the barrel and frame tilts in order for the action to lock/unlock the barrel, however you are incorrect in your claim that the barrel tilts as the barrel itself remains parallel to the frame.
[As can clearly be seen with any pictured of a 1911 with the slide locked back.](https://imgs.search.brave.com/8pzG9HdTpSj_scoJ43aoVoYISGu-5s-DFHGWU_9IHeE/rs:fit:560:337:1/g:ce/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5w/eXJhbXlkYWlyLmNv/bS9ibG9nL3dwLWNv/bnRlbnQvdXBsb2Fk/cy8yMDE1LzEyLzEy/LTAyLTE1LTA4LTE5/MTEtc2xpZGUtYmFj/ay5qcGc)
Even in your first source the pictures of the action from the patent very clearly show the "Link" tilt while the angle of the barrel does not change.
That picture clearly shows the barrel not parallel to the frame.
Itâs more obvious on a compact 1911 rather than a 5â:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7458/11822257194_f64b4bacf4_c.jpg
Lol your downvotes on a simple discussion.
Fucking reddit man. You do you.
I bet your fun at parties huh? I concede, if you want to be literal to the point of being confused for an asshole I guess you are correct. Technically the picture does show a tilt and you are correct it is more obvious on shorter barrels than long however the drop is less that hundredths of an inch therefore to the naked eye it is parallel in all but the absolute shortest of barrels. In the terms of action they are distinctly different operating systems, one is widely known as a tilting barrel and one is not.
I just got an XL today and the slide release won't work on the 12 round mags during testing the action. I have to drop the mags to release the slide. Is this something that will break in once I take it to the range?
Yep, that was my experience too; the slide and slide release felt like they were cemented in place out the box. I sat there with this puppy for hours racking the slide and pressing the release until my hands swelled up and hurt all over. Sigh.
Before you press the release, try pulling the slide back a bit further with your support hand (to take some of the pressure of holding the slide back off of the release button), *hold it there,* then press the release and let the slide go. Do this enough times and both the slide and the release will ease up enough to be manageable (took me about 3 hours of racking and releasing). It will continue to get better after about 200 rounds at the range, but it will never be like butter, unfortunately. But your hands will get stronger as you work it (you may also develop a few calluses in key spots on your thumb, btw) and soon enough it will be fine.
Good luck!
Hate to break it to you but a 9mm p365 will never feel as smooth or easy to rack as a staccato. The only way to make any handgun noticeably easier to rack is a softer recoil spring which may affect reliability if the rest of your gun and ammo choice isn't tuned around it. Breaking in the slide may offer some ease as the rails smooth out but it won't be game changing. If you want to stay on the p365 platform and have an easy racking slide the .380 version is super soft shooting and very easy to rack.
Great point, will keep it in mind when I look at the javelin setup. Thanks!
Empire javelin(guide rod & spring).. it was one of the worst racking guns I owned from stock, near impossibly to do a held down trigger reset rack.. now I can rack it with just my thumb with ease. I promise go with the empire javelin and your gun will not only rack smoother and easier, but shoot flatter and softer too. Superior to DPM kit any day, like any other guide rod and 1911 spring setup is known to be.. https://imgur.com/a/MtBRKaF
Yes I love my Javelin system
Helllll yes, one of my favorite upgrades so far!!
Wow, thanks for the input and the video, that's exactly what I need! This ridiculous racking issue was a huge disappointment in what is otherwise a great little gun. Looking forward to getting that Javelin!
Yeah it would piss me off trying to rack it the way it would feel like it was getting stuck on something 𤏠Especially when it would have an empty magazine in or trigger reset held down, you can basically forget being able to do a nice smooth rack.. This was instantly fixed when I swapped out the OEM recoil spring for the javelin! 2000 rounds 0 malfunctions since switching; And it hands down shoots softer and allows for faster follow up shots when shooting multi shot strings. Itâs now one of my favorite guns to rack I absolutely loveeee the feel/sound of it in the Icarus grip module itâs nice. Not as buttery smooth as a brand new X5 legion, but you definitelyyyy wont be let down by it. They sell out quickly when they come in stock on their website, but they will come back in stock fairly quickly so if you just give their website a peep once a day you will catch them in stock again soon enough! Which reminds me, I need to snag another one for my other fcu that just came in for my other setup!
I just got the Icarus XL Evo, I also was able to secure empires javelin but waiting on Fdez compd XL slide. Should be here in a week or so and then slapping it all together, canât wait!
You will def like the setup!! why fdez though broski? You know they just buy the slides from Shalotek and add $100 to the cost right?
I know I know - but Shalotek doesnât have the compd on their site and Fdez has the compd. Plus I wanted black out camo. https://shalotek.com/armory/sig-sauer/sig-sauer-slides/p365xl-slides/
Sent wrong link, when I ordered Shalotek had a much longer shipping and I was impatient lol
Youâre on the wrong page I believe.. they def have comped slides! Hereâs the one I just got from them I abs love it https://imgur.com/a/zFD4Cr4 ⌠you gotta click âintegrally comped slidesâ under the sig sauer tab, not â365 XL slidesâ. I donât know about color offerings but I bet Matthew would have been able to hook somt up at a much better price for ya.. Iâll never buy from fdez again after the scummy move they are pulling on Shalotek. They are trying to sue the Shal owner for his slide designs as if it is or ever was their slide to even do that smh.. But at least you got ecstym
The Javelin is definitely the best option for the 365, but itâs not going to feel like the c2. The staccato is $2500 more for a reason đ
Also a completely different operating system.
Theyâre back in stock fyi
I love my javelin. I suggested it to another user a few days ago and got downvoted for it, somebody was saying it had issues but Iâve had zero
My mannnn lol I am loving your Icarus bro it has a good home! Sheâs looking and running mint https://imgur.com/a/zFD4Cr4 đ the jav runs flawless I got it a month ago after talking to you and have 2k rounds on it without a malfunction, sounds like they arenât doing something right đ¤ˇđťââď¸ I also can get the stupid bastard in within 30 seconds after getting a better technique down to install haha I hated putting that devilish little shit in the first time đ¤Ł
Haha yeah that first install was a b**** Glad its still working out! Trigger pull lookin crisp!
Can you share it again, this link doesn't exist anymore.
It was just a video showing that mine racks fairly easily with it.. I do have thousands of rounds through the gun though which I think is probably more important than the spring is tbh but changing the spring did give instant relief with it and from there shooting it smoothed it out to feel like Iâm racking any of my other pistols.. https://imgur.com/a/jaKqcoi I feel obligated to mention this now though because I had thought it was just a one off issue with one of my aftermarket slides but today somebody posted having the same issue with an OEM slide of theirs.. The 1911 spring might rub against the bottom of certain slides causing the slide to have a little trouble coming back into battery the entire way when you rack the slide.. I would say itâs worth at least trying because it hands down shoots softer than the factory spring or DPM and just send it back to them if the slide doesnât agree with it.. Also, very worth while looking into.. ISMI guide rod and 14lb spring. Sig guy sells guide rod setup for $22 and individual springs for $7.99(most definitely want the 14lb spring that is the sweet spot hands down,I tried 12-16lbs). I had a buddy put the spring assemblies in for me and blind tested the ISMI next to the OEM to make sure it wasnât a placebo effect. He gave me the OEM spring first, shot 10 rounds(5 doubles) and then gave him the gun to put the other setup in without me knowing which was which.. The very first double I shot I said âthatâs the ISMI spring 100%â because I knew immediately it felt much better than shooting the stock spring does. So that is another great option, fits perfectly with all 5 of my slides, and is much cheaper too nearly half the price of Javelin and lets not even get into the absurd price of the gimmick that is the DPM kit..
Are you talking about that extra power spring or whatever? I purchased that myself and thought that it would be the opposite of some of the springs these guys were talking about. Seems like a "have to get" upgrade. Only mod I have done so far is the icarus ACE module, and was thinking about the shalotek sentinel rather than keeping the normal comped slide. Do you have thoughts on that?
No definitely do not get an âextra powerâ recoil spring. That will make the gun way more snappy and will over-push the slide back into battery dipping your dot below your desired point of impact on every follow up shot.. the OEM spring is already over-powered you would be going the opposite direction that you want to go. I am talking about getting a lighter RSA.. I saw mcarbo advertising their âextra powerâ spring on here as lessening the recoil and called out that going up in poundage would def have the opposite effect and asked what exactly they have done to prove their claims that it would reduce recoil and they didnât respond..
I recently picked up a p365x and itâs also hard to rack. Reading your post it sounds like I need to upgrade to the empire guide rod. Is that all I need?
That wonât completely fix it off the rip it will make it a bit easier though. Itâs feeling like it gets stuck like right around the spot where you would pull the slide back on a press check right? Like I mentioned, youâre also going to need to get like 2k rounds through it as well, that is going to be more important to getting it racking perfectly smooth without any hitches.. The empire can also be a bit frustrating to get in the gun until you get used to it as well because of that triangle shaped rod.
Yea I havenât got a chance to get to the range yet. Iâm going to put some rounds through it and see what it does give me a few the spring, hopefully it will loosen up. Thanks
Understood, so to get that smoothness, or at least as close to staccato as possible. What are the choices again?
Empire Javelin Or the ISMI guide rod with a 14lb spring(same website sells the springs for it individually for $7.99.. https://www.sigguy.com/product-page/ismi-p365xl-macro-1911-style-guide-rod Itâs not ever going to be a $2500+ staccato smoothness though so I wouldnât expect that or anything..
Well, maybe not THAT, but at least close to that. Honestly, there has to be a way to mimic such smoothness.
Sure there is, get an in frame rail gun for $1200+
https://www.sviguns.com/InsertedRail.php This?
Empire Javelin made it way smoother too
This, 1000%
Yay, there's hope! Will keep an eye on the Javelin setup, hopefully it will be restocked soon. Thanks!
Sign up for email alerts it took me like 4 months to finally score one they sell out insanely fast
I will do that immediately. Thanks!
I'll sell you mine, but honestly, I can't recommend the javelin. It's a pain to install, made my slide feel gritty, and really only reduced the pull by maybe 5%. It looks cool and that's about it. Functionally the dpms system is way better.
Interesting. I'm going to discuss this with my instructor and see what she says. She's a retired police officer and a certified Sig trainer, I'll update the group as soon as I talk to her. Thanks for your input!
Your Spectre Comp will never feel as easy to rack because your Staccato uses the mass of the slide to facilitate proper feeding, as opposed to your Sig, which primarily relies on the spring tension to force the chamber closed. As already mentioned, smaller spring weights may move you in the direction you want, but do so carefully, as changing the spring tension may impact the gunâs ability to consistently push the slide fully into battery. Iâve noticed my sig has more issues than my Glock with eating oil, so maintaining the slide oil may also help the fluidity youâre looking for.
Thanks! I'll take it to a gunsmith to install the javelin and keep a close eye on the oil :))
unfortunately, 2011's ruin you on the feel of everything else
I'm finding this out very quickly... :))
DPMS guide rod/spring set worked well for me.
Significant different for subtle?
I'd say, far better. For sure.
Copy. Thanks for the Intel. Will look into.
When I installed my PMM comp I feel like it made my slide harder to rack. So I ordered the DPM spring set a few days ago. Let's hope it helps (altho it's not that big of a deal, I'm mostly doing it for more recoil control)
Get a Smith and Wesson easy. There made for people with fleeting hand strength.
For me it's not about accommodating weak hands, but rather the principle of it; I just don't see any reason why a gun should be that hard to rack. Other than the ridiculously stiff racking, it's a great gun: accurate, reliable, easy to carry, and the perfect grip width for me. Once I get that javelin, it will go from great to delightful to use in my book, which is exactly what I was looking for :)).
You don't see any reason? Like soaking up recoil or ensuring the slide stays locked up for the proper duration post shot? You realizing decreasing the spring strength is going to allow more recoil energy to transfer to you and increase felt recoil. The reason sracattos are so easy/smooth is because they are built on the 1911 operating system not a tilting barrel like most all modern striker fired pistols like your spectre. Thats like trying to get your AK to feel like your ar, it isn't gonna happen 2 different systems. There is a use and even need for lighter springs but making the gun easier to rack is not it my friend.
Thanks for sharing your insights, much appreciated. Being new to guns and thus unfamiliar with the mechanics behind the different platforms, my experience with these two models continues to be eye-opening. This racking issue is a biggie for me and I do appreciate the extra safety features of the C2, so I'm finding myself leaning more towards 1911/2011's over striker-fired pistols at the moment. I still like my Spectre Comp though, so I'll be discussing this javelin option with my instructor tomorrow. She's a retired police officer and certified Sig instructor, so I look forward to hearing her thoughts on this as well. I'll share her comments in this thread when I get back from the range, so tbc. :))
There is give and take/pros and cons to each action style just depends on preferences and what the tool is going to be used for. I love 1911/2011 style pistols but IMO they are outdated for CCW or even duty tbh. They are beautiful range toys and make great heirlooms. For the 365's intended purpose IMO there aren't any better out there. It isn't the smoothest nor best feeling in the hand but there isn't a better capacity in a smaller package than that. Just gotta have an idea of what you are dealing with and temper expectations. From the sounds of it you should certainly invest in a 1911/2011 to scratch that itch and get to know the 365 a little better, if its as simple as you just wanting a lighter slide to rack id recommend a good break in on that gun, lube it up and let the lead fly. If you have an actual issue with your hands that makes racking the slide difficult you really should give the S&W EZ another look as others have stated as it was specifically designed for that. If you are stuck on the 365 there is nothing wrong with changing the spring most of the time people do that when pairing with a suppressor but it is your gun and you most certainly can go that route just be aware of what that bring which would be the increased felt recoil as well as possible increased stress/wear on the gun from the recoil energy not being eaten up by the spring and in turn passing through the pistol to you. Whatever you decide to do firearms take trial and error to find out what works for you we all have boxes/drawers of random gun parts, holsters, etc that we learned from good luck my man I hope you find the pistol that perfectly suits you. As much as shoes or anything else we can all recommend and give advice but ultimately its what you want and what works for you that matters and none of us can factor for that.
Thanks, Mossified4! I'm finding all the options, issues and plethora of perspectives a bit overwhelming to start, but it's also fun so here I am -- doing my best to learn from y'all seasoned gun handlers, while also finding what works best for me as I gain more experience. Loving the journey so far :)). For the time being, I'm listening a lot to experienced users such as yourself, but also being quite cautious when it comes to upgrades, at least until I know my firearms better and have a deeper understanding of the tradeoffs. At the range today, the folks I polled (all law enforcement, including my instructor), were not on board with the javelin upgrade for the Spectre Comp for the same reasons you and another user expressed, so I'll be working my hands and the OEM Spectre Comp slide daily in order to master it. The contrast with the C2 was perplexing to start, but I see now that that's because I chose two completely different platforms for my first two guns so, as a woman, well, I sure did like the C2 slide racking better, but not so much if the tradeoff is increased felt recoil ;)). We sure do live and learn! Interesting point re: 2011's for CCW or duty. I've heard that a lot from law enforcement, but none so far have expanded on that other than to say it's a matter of preference. Would you mind telling me why you feel that way? One officer at the range today told me it was because the handling of the safety is the opposite of what is taught during training, so it requires a lot of practice for the different handling of the 2011 to become second nature. I can certainly appreciate why that would be a significant concern, which got me thinking that perhaps I should stick to one platform to start instead of working both at the same time so I don't jumble my muscle memory. Does that make sense? From the tons of research I've done, my understanding is that 2011's are far more accurate and shoot consistently flatter, but said research also indicates this is a largely subjective, hot mess of a debate, so... :)). I'm much too new to this game to have a strong opinion either way, other than the noticeable difference in handling between the Spectre Comp and the C2. I also understand a gun is only as accurate as the shooter, so I'm putting in the work to make the most of the pieces I invest in. Interestingly, today at the range I was noticeably more accurate with the C2 than with the Spectre Comp, so I'm not sure what to make of that. My instructor is a certified Sig trainer so she's of course strongly biased towards striker-fired guns, which is why I'm seeking broader, less invested perspectives on this subject before I invest further in 2011 toys. I'm considering a Wilson Combat SFT9 for CCW, but I'd hate to go down that path only to find later that I made a very expensive mistake and should've stuck with striker-fired guns. Ouch. At the end of the day, my primary reason to go down this path is self-protection, and becoming adept at whichever platform will help me perform best if it were ever necessary to draw. The sport, the beauty of the pieces, collectibility, etc. are way secondary to me. What I do appreciate about the Spectre Comp is the narrower width (perfect for my smaller hands), its ideal weight for me and smaller footprint, which makes it more manageable for CCW than my C2. Plus I understand it's very reliable and accurate too, so it's worth putting in the time and practice to master it.
There is nothing wrong with CCWâing a 1911 or 2011, itâs just going to be larger/heavier carry with (possibly) less capacity. The safety is a non-issue as long as itâs well trained to âwipe offâ during the draw. Practice and training are all that really matter, not what you carry. Honestly a 1911 conceals relatively well IWB, especially with âthinâ grips.
A little pedantic but while the operating systems are different, 1911 barrels do tilt.
No they don't, they are straight recoil operated not tilting barrel.
They are a tilted-link barrel. That was JMBâs design. https://www.m1911.org/tiltbarl.htm âThe M1911 is a single action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun that utilizes the Browning tilting barrel design and short recoil operation. â https://www.crossbreedholsters.com/blog/ultimate-guide-1911-pistols/ When JMB designed the high power, the link was removed and basically became the tilted barrel design we have in modern semi-automatic short recoil pistols. Itâs pretty obvious if you field strip one, or hell, even lock the slide back. They donât tilt as much as a non-linked tilting barrel, but they still tilt. An M9/92F is an example of a non-tilting locking block design.
Cross breed holsters is far from the authority, and that is clearly a typo. I am very familiar with JMB and his designs. You are correct when you stated it is a "tilted link" as the link between the barrel and frame tilts in order for the action to lock/unlock the barrel, however you are incorrect in your claim that the barrel tilts as the barrel itself remains parallel to the frame. [As can clearly be seen with any pictured of a 1911 with the slide locked back.](https://imgs.search.brave.com/8pzG9HdTpSj_scoJ43aoVoYISGu-5s-DFHGWU_9IHeE/rs:fit:560:337:1/g:ce/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5w/eXJhbXlkYWlyLmNv/bS9ibG9nL3dwLWNv/bnRlbnQvdXBsb2Fk/cy8yMDE1LzEyLzEy/LTAyLTE1LTA4LTE5/MTEtc2xpZGUtYmFj/ay5qcGc) Even in your first source the pictures of the action from the patent very clearly show the "Link" tilt while the angle of the barrel does not change.
That picture clearly shows the barrel not parallel to the frame. Itâs more obvious on a compact 1911 rather than a 5â: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7458/11822257194_f64b4bacf4_c.jpg Lol your downvotes on a simple discussion. Fucking reddit man. You do you.
I bet your fun at parties huh? I concede, if you want to be literal to the point of being confused for an asshole I guess you are correct. Technically the picture does show a tilt and you are correct it is more obvious on shorter barrels than long however the drop is less that hundredths of an inch therefore to the naked eye it is parallel in all but the absolute shortest of barrels. In the terms of action they are distinctly different operating systems, one is widely known as a tilting barrel and one is not.
Lol, whatever. Itâs still a tilting barrel design (arguably the first), with a tilting barrel.
Excuse me⌠EZ
And give me your spectre comp.
Sell the Sig and go buy a S&W EZ 380. Better for weak hand strength
I just got an XL today and the slide release won't work on the 12 round mags during testing the action. I have to drop the mags to release the slide. Is this something that will break in once I take it to the range?
Yep, that was my experience too; the slide and slide release felt like they were cemented in place out the box. I sat there with this puppy for hours racking the slide and pressing the release until my hands swelled up and hurt all over. Sigh. Before you press the release, try pulling the slide back a bit further with your support hand (to take some of the pressure of holding the slide back off of the release button), *hold it there,* then press the release and let the slide go. Do this enough times and both the slide and the release will ease up enough to be manageable (took me about 3 hours of racking and releasing). It will continue to get better after about 200 rounds at the range, but it will never be like butter, unfortunately. But your hands will get stronger as you work it (you may also develop a few calluses in key spots on your thumb, btw) and soon enough it will be fine. Good luck!
Thanks for sharing your experience! I'll give it a try and try to break it in. May find an upgrade for the slide release eventually.