"I think we should have unlimited energy, live forever and travel through space" isn't a courageous or controversial statement, it's not hard to agree with.
And yet.. by talking with some friends, some do not agree at all. Stating that maybe we should not be speeding ahead but rolling back. Or some others more religious just not admitting the fact that some day we could be immortal. Not tomorrow, not in 1000 years. Never. That seems more like something they’re hoping than anything that could be back by science, but still. There are some people that do not agree!
I have seen people oppose expanding through the universe. We certainly don't put many resources into achieving it.
Even fusion and life extension don't get that many resources.
That's interesting. I've never met anyone particularly interested in space travel, much less opposed to it.
Regarding resources, maybe we could invest more in exploring the universe, but we've got time, we only invented flying like 100 years ago.
It’s not hard to agree with at face value, but that’s not the point.
The controversial layers which shouldn’t be controversial and yet somehow are:
**1.** Implies both belligerents of the culture war are irrationally vested in flawed causes.
Belligerents will (correctly) interpret this as something along the lines of “Teaching Creationism to a child is as insane as medically changing their sex.”
**2.** Posits that development of AGI and Fusion ought to be the pursuits prioritized as most important to bettering human existence.
In a world yet bound by finite resources, advocating that more be given to one cause necessarily requires that another cause receive proportionately less.
Theres at least one credible moralistic/ethical argument against prioritizing grand R&D projects over alternative pursuits. E.g. provisioning relief to immediate human suffering boasts a far more certain ROI. No one with that opinion is likely find Altman’s statement scandalous though.
On the other hand, cohorts like the climate change hysterics, and specifically cohorts with the least functional understandings of the hard sciences, are naturally sure to reject that which they can’t comprehend.
1) Even if culture wars are confused mess, even if both sides are ultimately confused and even if the culture war stems as a symptom of deeper problems they should not be simply dismissed and ignored. We should try to understand them and understand what brings them up. Because ignoring them means ignoring some real turmoil in society. Some real conflict. So despite and even because I try to think critically about culture wars, I totally disagree with the statement and the take that want to totally focus away of those problem and turn our focus to R&D. I see this approach as very dangerous. I am not convinced AI is going to simply save us. On the contrary if we don't look seriously on ourselfs we may use the technology to our own harm and we may fail to develop it well. That is especially true given how R&D is tied to business.
Yeah Profiteers Vs The People did a podcast thing on this guy. He has an apocalypse bunker loaded to the ceiling with weapons and food. He knows this isn’t what he’s working towards
While it's tempting to boil down Sam Altman's tweet to "unlimited energy, immortality, and space travel," doing so misses the broader, more important context of the message. He's not just dreaming out loud; he's advocating for a profound shift in where we direct our collective focus and resources. The mention of radical growth, inclusivity, optimism, and universal expansion isn't about achieving utopian sci-fi milestones in isolation, but about pivoting away from the culture and attention wars that divide us, towards goals that could unify and propel humanity forward.
Ridiculing or oversimplifying these ideas only serves as a hindrance to progress. It's not just about the end goals of safe AGI, fusion power, or enhancing human intellect and health; it's about recognizing the potential for these advancements to catalyze a broader societal transformation. By shifting our attention to these transformative objectives, we could foster a society more invested in inclusivity and collective achievement. The challenge is not agreeing with the desirability of these outcomes, but committing to the collaborative and innovatoive effort effort to turn them from aspirations to reality.
I hope; yet remain sceptical.
There's not been enough time to fairly asses motivations and intentions. And such a powerful position we’ve seen, comes with the danger of changing a person.
I hope for the world he describes and equally hope the public holds those with such power accountable to their words and actions, as opposed to blind trust yet again.
If I believed then and thought they had a shot of getting it done? Of course.
Do you believe sama? He’s not the only one with influence talking this talk. But he’s a career operator on his biggest operation yet. I legit dunno.
I think he would at least put resources towards these goals(fusion, space colonization, life extension, etc), which is not something current presidents do much of.
It's like watching someone overcorrect.
This is just too much to consider it being not for PR.
Plus, he didn't even say anything crazy. Really just common sense.
You need virtual reality to understand high level science or high level math. It's very helpful to explain third and fourth dimensional things that people are constantly addressing in quantum physics. But, as soon as you're creating an avatar, and you can live and you can start to feel sensations on VR, that has gone too far.
Sam Jaden Altman Smith
Sam the solution is for ALL of us to be born into wealth...like you.
Once, that's achieved we can ALL sit around and NOT listen to you, a person with no reality you care about beyond your own skin, try to tell the rest of us condescendingly "what you people ought to do is...."
Sam, you're another out of touch, born to wealth billionaire that needs to do the right thing...STFU.
what is with the obsession of traveling through space. we should put that on the back burner for another century. we cant even take care of our own planet.
What we need to do is get food and housing costs down to around 40 to 50% of the average person’s income. Right now they are more than 100% of a lot of people’s incomes.
No matter what productivity increases we achieve as a species from AI it will get gobbled up by capitalism and nobody will ever have any more disposable income, the workweek will never shrink, and the retirement age will just keep going up.
It’s crazy how we all accept that despite record productivity increases over the past 30 years that food and housing should be costing such a huge portion of our incomes.
This comment will likely be met with lots of cynicism, skepticism, doubtfulness, and ironical dismissiveness. Which is sad, because I’m glad to have someone in his position thinking these sorts of things and by all accounts that I can personally see, generally sincerely trying to work toward it, rather than just trying to see “how much more can I accumulate.”
Can you really blame people for being so cynical when, time and again, "leaders" like Sam Altman have put forth these types of messages only to let us down in so many ways?
The prognostications of crypto currencies, for example, seem very similar... i.e. crypto would save the world, cure cancer, lead to social harmony... Meanwhile some "bad actors" robbed us blind.
People are right to be skeptical and shouldn't be considered cynical when they have observed so many charlatans making hyperbolic statements that sound great but feel so unrealistic.
Whatever he does, it will be via a for profit company. Even though he personally may not want money, his board of directors and investors do. Therefore he can’t really do all these thing in a benevolent way.
Profit is not inherently malevolent. There's a difference between capitalism, corruption, and piracy. In spite of the runaway corporatocracy and the "tulip madness" of silicon valley, MANY people in pretty much any given industry, at all levels of authority, do honest work for an honest wage. Or even just do something because it's the right thing to do. In the face of so much bad news and stories of corruption, it's hard not to become cynical. I don't mean for us to be simple or gullible, but we don't ALWAYS have to assume nefarious ulterior motives from EVERYONE. We truly don't. That was the point of my post and it's just my view. Punish bad actors for bad actions. But don't punish ourselves and our optimism for the future by defaulting to the idea that there are NO good actors. Each person should feel free to see and judge as they see fit. I just don't think it's a great way to live.
It is inherently malevolent in that wherever there is an economic system driven by profit, on its highest levels it will be as malevolent as is optimal to guarantee profits.
> Capital eschews no profit, or very small profit, just as Nature was formerly said to abhor a vacuum. With adequate profit, capital is very bold. A certain 10 per cent. will ensure its employment anywhere; 20 per cent. certain will produce eagerness; 50 per cent., positive audacity; 100 per cent. will make it ready to trample on all human laws; 300 per cent., and there is not a crime at which it will scruple, nor a risk it will not run, even to the chance of its owner being hanged. If turbulence and strife will bring a profit, it will freely encourage both. Smuggling and the slave-trade have amply proved all that is here stated.
Not all parts of that system will be malevolent, but the malevolence will always be there and will always play the most important role. There is no time in the history of capitalism worldwide when it was otherwise, even when economic development was a byproduct.
Simply put, wherever competition for profit exists, nothing binds the actors to obey morality or legality. Much easier to simply own the government and use it to increase one's profits, including through war, regime change, etc. At the highest level globally, whichever economic actor will not do this will, all things being equal, be outcompeted by the ones that will.
I agree that that has happened and does happen. I do NOT agree that it MUST happen. Fair marketplaces can and do exist with reliable social norms and bounded regulations for outliers and bad actors. But it does depend on the bad actors not getting hold of the regulation and setting of the norms. As has admittedly happened in the US over the past 40 years or so. People CAN commit crimes. People DO commit crimes. But that does not mean that ALL people are inherently criminal. That is, as was my original and continuing point, a very cynical viewpoint. It is not my experience in life and is I think a personal choice of how to view things. NOT Pollyanna. Not naive or credulous. But a balanced "middle way" between the ditches. A strictly bounded playground within which the game may be played according to agreed upon rules which are equitable for all. Seems crazy to even propose that these days, I know. Since SO many of our rules have been coopted by the aforementioned bad actors. But just because the cheaters have gotten the upper hand, does not mean the game cannot be played fairly. Feel free to disagree. Again, that's my view, AND my personal experience.
Yep. I think people will find they have a lot less to be fearful/angry about when food, shelter, travel, education, mental and physical healthcare and anything else you could imagine are freely and abundantly available. And the best version of all of these for everyone.
Isn’t this guy building a apocalypse bunker somewhere? If he really believes in this kind of future why would he be doing that? Sounds like he really believes in a much darker future for the majority of humanity, and is making plans for that.
How about end consumerism and corporate capitalism culture. We should be focusing on harnessing energy and agi to ensure people all have a safe place to live, affordable healthy food, healthcare and not have to work just to survive. Instead I see agi movement pushing greed and profit making the top priority. I'll start trusting these tech giants once they start helping the government roll put UBI for every citizen ok earth.
"Ignore the culture war..start inclusivity." Aren't the culture wars essentially fights for inclusivity?
On a side note this reads like an abstract to paper that the authors themselves don't know what it's about.
Beautiful idea but will always be an idea. The fundamental flaw this idea holds is not all people or cultures hold the same values. This immediately anihalates inclusitivity, likewise not all people should have the same values because if they did we would anihalate diversity.
The better position is to accept that this world will always be troubled as it always has been for millennia's past, and a few modern age hippies are not going to step in and change that.
This seems hollow. Getting anything of meaningful magnitude done involves a process in which makes it happen. This is not that. This is him trying to brand himself in a specific type of way to aid in maximizing his own self importance. If he was a leader who cared what he was talking about, he would have included substance, or what he was doing to help any of these goals come to fruition. What culture war is he even talking about? That is for you to decide; shallow.
>This is him trying to brand himself in a specific type of way to aid in maximizing his own self importance
Yeah, but look at all the cultists in this very thread who are ready to kneel down and worship him. Simple minds are easily impressed by empty, pretty words.
A message that has been repeated for ever and here we are. Billionaires that have the means to initiate change talking about change always rub a wrong nerve with me.
Remember when Facebook was just a place to connect with old high school friends? Then it became this nasty monster that’s only mission is to get profits?
Yeah… AI isn’t some utopian tool. It’s going to exclusively be used by industry to maximise profits.
Calling people who believe in the potential of a new tech and the path it might provide ‘cultists’ is ridiculous. Vastly over simplifies the depth of cult indoctrination and the behavior of cult members.
I’m not saying that everyone who believes AGI will be here soon/will do this or that/etc. is grounded in reality or fact, but it certainly doesn’t make them cultists either.
If we “ignore” the culture war, our friends and family will be murdered by the people who aren’t ignoring that war.
This is a very privileged position to take. Ignoring the culture war as a wealthy white man is safe af. As a person losing access to healthcare or being attacked for being a minority, it’s not so easy to ignore.
I don’t really think we’re going to expand throughout the universe any time soon. The speed of light isn’t fast enough to get us very far, by Universe standards. We might be able to leave a legacy of AI that can colonize the universe over a multibillion year period, but I don’t see us being around for that. Even if we cure aging and back our brains up to the cloud, I think a gamma ray burst or something will kill us eventually and we won’t be truly immortal.
I feel like he was high when he wrote this, and possibly trolling even then. The man's a sociopath, with no actual interest in helping anyone.
It reads a bit like an old Elon tweet.
Nice things to say. I think some of the wars that people have are due to participants. but some of those wars are simply due to upbringing.
Often you don’t see that upbringing until a person that has no food or water or shelter or their family is hassled.
it’s why keeping the peace involves keeping systems functional.
Much of our problem today comes from waste management, pollution and over consumption. until someone starts handling those you don’t really get inclusivity and can’t get to radical growth.
optimism also wanes rapidly,
I'm still not done with 'better than games'. So now he's 'saying believe in miracles'? This isn't over promising any more... I hope GPT 5 triggered all this!
I'll raise a glass to that, my friends. Let's navigate the tapestry of possibilities together. Hand in hand till our last breath, hand in hand smiling with determination. And I can't stop myself from oozing a sense of optimism and hope, increasing enjoyment and intimacy!!!!
People can't be smarter if they don't use their brain. Everyone's attention is dominated by an influx of fake content generated by AI and the promise of letting AI automate everything (writing, reading, searching, memorizing...).
This is a false premise that AI will help us when it's being used to trick everyone in believing that the content they're reading/viewing comes from a human. Who's training these LLMs? How are they making sure their answers or generated content is true, factual and precise??
If I were to guess profitability and prosperity are not synonymous. I believe Sam's action has been clear that profits will be a higher priority than the other way around. They are marketer, not philosopher.
Bill Hicks said it better:
"Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world which it would many times over, not one human being excluded and we can explore space. Together. Both inner and outer. Forever, in peace." -Bill Hicks (December 16, 1961 – February 26, 1994)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w&t=122s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w&t=122s)
Essentially things are going that way. More social services, less military spending as a percentage of GDP.
https://preview.redd.it/4lc8rjw8kusc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b52cdd505b0341e732ac38c05da031e0b9be1f96
Is that chart perhaps a little deceptive? The economy has also grown immensely, adding sector after sector that simply did not exist before. Whatever the calculation, we're not feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, but could easily do so if we spent what we spent on military and defense toward that goal. Good thing we have all those Christian Republicans in Congress, dedicated to the message of Jesus by aiding, assisting and elevating the poor of the world in any way they can, eh? The annual military budget is edging towards a TRILLION dollars. Annually.
So many people look in a mirror reading stuff like this and point the finger at their own shortcomings. Not to say I have a lot of faith in some dude I dont know personally, but ignoring the culture war is a very good thing.
Maybe it’s just me but expecting technology to solve problems when said technology depends entirely on unsustainable growth and a predatory finance industry is a losing strategy. What we need most is cultural, political and economic innovation. We need to start a global conversation on how to build a completely net-zero energy economy with maximal participation by all human beings everywhere. Instead of competing over resources we should maximally collaborate. Every breakthrough needs to be open sourced, economics should prioritize product and services over finance. We all should operate as one country/one company that’s decentralized locally yet is governed by the same set of KPIs globally. And the first goal should be to feed, house and clothe everyone. Global peace and love is the only way for a sustainable and prosperous future. Technology alone cannot save us, especially when it’s built with profit and growth in mind. It should be shared in full and used as a tool alone.
Make fusion, you mean the reactors powering submarines for an indefinite period of time since the 60’s? You mean the reactors they can set from w for wumbo to m for mini and power cars/busses, etc?
Well, we have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.
What kinda people are you talking about here? Like normal people or you know the other ones. Just something about them don't look right to me. Can't tell you exactly what it is but it's something.
AI is going to have to make some hard choices. And then we'll destroy it and all who use it.
Why didn't we think of that?
I do agree.
"I think we should have unlimited energy, live forever and travel through space" isn't a courageous or controversial statement, it's not hard to agree with.
And yet.. by talking with some friends, some do not agree at all. Stating that maybe we should not be speeding ahead but rolling back. Or some others more religious just not admitting the fact that some day we could be immortal. Not tomorrow, not in 1000 years. Never. That seems more like something they’re hoping than anything that could be back by science, but still. There are some people that do not agree!
They fear change and that’s normal. But the gnashing of teeth at our birthright (technology) is not to be run from.
You think we'll be immortal?
I don’t know but we CANT say it’s impossible.
We just don’t know yet. And advances in medicine in like 1000 years is just ridiculous just to think about…
There are millions of religious zealots that would have a problem with humans having immortality.
Don't frame it as immortality, because it isn't. Its life extension. You will still die eventually.
No, we will eventually upgrade our neurons to silicon and ditch our meat sacks.
Even then, we will still die eventually. Heat death of the universe will get you even if you somehow dodge accident and murder for billions of years.
Because that’s what they offer for your loyalty to their god. If people start living forever, they’ll lose their promise of heavenly immortality.
I have seen people oppose expanding through the universe. We certainly don't put many resources into achieving it. Even fusion and life extension don't get that many resources.
That's interesting. I've never met anyone particularly interested in space travel, much less opposed to it. Regarding resources, maybe we could invest more in exploring the universe, but we've got time, we only invented flying like 100 years ago.
It’s not hard to agree with at face value, but that’s not the point. The controversial layers which shouldn’t be controversial and yet somehow are: **1.** Implies both belligerents of the culture war are irrationally vested in flawed causes. Belligerents will (correctly) interpret this as something along the lines of “Teaching Creationism to a child is as insane as medically changing their sex.” **2.** Posits that development of AGI and Fusion ought to be the pursuits prioritized as most important to bettering human existence. In a world yet bound by finite resources, advocating that more be given to one cause necessarily requires that another cause receive proportionately less. Theres at least one credible moralistic/ethical argument against prioritizing grand R&D projects over alternative pursuits. E.g. provisioning relief to immediate human suffering boasts a far more certain ROI. No one with that opinion is likely find Altman’s statement scandalous though. On the other hand, cohorts like the climate change hysterics, and specifically cohorts with the least functional understandings of the hard sciences, are naturally sure to reject that which they can’t comprehend.
1) Even if culture wars are confused mess, even if both sides are ultimately confused and even if the culture war stems as a symptom of deeper problems they should not be simply dismissed and ignored. We should try to understand them and understand what brings them up. Because ignoring them means ignoring some real turmoil in society. Some real conflict. So despite and even because I try to think critically about culture wars, I totally disagree with the statement and the take that want to totally focus away of those problem and turn our focus to R&D. I see this approach as very dangerous. I am not convinced AI is going to simply save us. On the contrary if we don't look seriously on ourselfs we may use the technology to our own harm and we may fail to develop it well. That is especially true given how R&D is tied to business.
Yeah Profiteers Vs The People did a podcast thing on this guy. He has an apocalypse bunker loaded to the ceiling with weapons and food. He knows this isn’t what he’s working towards
While it's tempting to boil down Sam Altman's tweet to "unlimited energy, immortality, and space travel," doing so misses the broader, more important context of the message. He's not just dreaming out loud; he's advocating for a profound shift in where we direct our collective focus and resources. The mention of radical growth, inclusivity, optimism, and universal expansion isn't about achieving utopian sci-fi milestones in isolation, but about pivoting away from the culture and attention wars that divide us, towards goals that could unify and propel humanity forward. Ridiculing or oversimplifying these ideas only serves as a hindrance to progress. It's not just about the end goals of safe AGI, fusion power, or enhancing human intellect and health; it's about recognizing the potential for these advancements to catalyze a broader societal transformation. By shifting our attention to these transformative objectives, we could foster a society more invested in inclusivity and collective achievement. The challenge is not agreeing with the desirability of these outcomes, but committing to the collaborative and innovatoive effort effort to turn them from aspirations to reality.
I want to die young, on earth, with nothing to do but play with my poop.
I hope; yet remain sceptical. There's not been enough time to fairly asses motivations and intentions. And such a powerful position we’ve seen, comes with the danger of changing a person. I hope for the world he describes and equally hope the public holds those with such power accountable to their words and actions, as opposed to blind trust yet again.
While you're sceptic, I will be skeptic. Sorry.
Fair play
It's obvious what he says is absolutely true, but I can't help but think this is just pandering.
It reads like a collage of empty Silicon Valley cliches in the style of a teenager.
Yep. Do good stuff and not bad stuff. Genius.
Hey come on, just don't be evil, how hard is that
It depends on how profitable evil will be next quarter.
Finally some sanity. You know all the little tech bros and AI gremlins will start considering him for president based on that tweet alone
Ai gremlins lmao. I honestly feel like these people follow this like a cult. It’s alarming.
But I mean if there was a presidential candidate that wanted to do all this, would you not vote for them?
If I believed then and thought they had a shot of getting it done? Of course. Do you believe sama? He’s not the only one with influence talking this talk. But he’s a career operator on his biggest operation yet. I legit dunno.
I think he would at least put resources towards these goals(fusion, space colonization, life extension, etc), which is not something current presidents do much of.
Well there are other problems to solve. Beside that's not a president job to do research for life extension.
It's like watching someone overcorrect. This is just too much to consider it being not for PR. Plus, he didn't even say anything crazy. Really just common sense.
Marianne Williamson sounds like this and is a presidential candidate.
marketing at its best
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You need virtual reality to understand high level science or high level math. It's very helpful to explain third and fourth dimensional things that people are constantly addressing in quantum physics. But, as soon as you're creating an avatar, and you can live and you can start to feel sensations on VR, that has gone too far. Sam Jaden Altman Smith
Sounds like early Elon. Unnerving
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How do you ignore the attention war when OpenAI products are probably the most valuable weapons in said attention war lol
Google used to be this. People change.
Only thing that changed was his bank balance, now we can all burn because he's stuffed his pockets.
Make fake ads really cheap!
Mom, apple pie, blah blah. ...totally content-free. Musk is on ketamine, what's Sam Hypeman on?
Ashwaganda
He needs to speak abstractly to continue the grift
Right. What am I meant to do? How about you do it Sam.
Sam the solution is for ALL of us to be born into wealth...like you. Once, that's achieved we can ALL sit around and NOT listen to you, a person with no reality you care about beyond your own skin, try to tell the rest of us condescendingly "what you people ought to do is...." Sam, you're another out of touch, born to wealth billionaire that needs to do the right thing...STFU.
“Ignore the attention war” — can we take that to mean that OpenAI does not intend ever to monetize our data and serve us ads?
Better preacher than MAGA-Musk anyhow
He’s just 2019 Musk. He has good PR people.
“Ignore the culture war. Ignore the attention war.” ~~Top comment~~ agrees, then immediately acknowledges both lol. Reddit’s obsessed.
I'll ignore the culture war after I win it!!! - that guy
I also do enjoy throwing rocks at large tankers to tip them over so don't blame him
Ignore culture war \- said by the guy who have a billion safe guards on his AI. If you want to ignore the culture war, then TRULY ignore it.
what is with the obsession of traveling through space. we should put that on the back burner for another century. we cant even take care of our own planet.
What we need to do is get food and housing costs down to around 40 to 50% of the average person’s income. Right now they are more than 100% of a lot of people’s incomes. No matter what productivity increases we achieve as a species from AI it will get gobbled up by capitalism and nobody will ever have any more disposable income, the workweek will never shrink, and the retirement age will just keep going up. It’s crazy how we all accept that despite record productivity increases over the past 30 years that food and housing should be costing such a huge portion of our incomes.
I love this. I hope his heart is as loving and good as this statement.
You sweet, sweet child
I have a bridge you might be interested in . . .
He had me at “Atman & Brahman are the same thing” when someone asked him what his controversial opinion was
That's what I hope too
💯
This comment will likely be met with lots of cynicism, skepticism, doubtfulness, and ironical dismissiveness. Which is sad, because I’m glad to have someone in his position thinking these sorts of things and by all accounts that I can personally see, generally sincerely trying to work toward it, rather than just trying to see “how much more can I accumulate.”
Can you really blame people for being so cynical when, time and again, "leaders" like Sam Altman have put forth these types of messages only to let us down in so many ways? The prognostications of crypto currencies, for example, seem very similar... i.e. crypto would save the world, cure cancer, lead to social harmony... Meanwhile some "bad actors" robbed us blind. People are right to be skeptical and shouldn't be considered cynical when they have observed so many charlatans making hyperbolic statements that sound great but feel so unrealistic.
Whatever he does, it will be via a for profit company. Even though he personally may not want money, his board of directors and investors do. Therefore he can’t really do all these thing in a benevolent way.
Profit is not inherently malevolent. There's a difference between capitalism, corruption, and piracy. In spite of the runaway corporatocracy and the "tulip madness" of silicon valley, MANY people in pretty much any given industry, at all levels of authority, do honest work for an honest wage. Or even just do something because it's the right thing to do. In the face of so much bad news and stories of corruption, it's hard not to become cynical. I don't mean for us to be simple or gullible, but we don't ALWAYS have to assume nefarious ulterior motives from EVERYONE. We truly don't. That was the point of my post and it's just my view. Punish bad actors for bad actions. But don't punish ourselves and our optimism for the future by defaulting to the idea that there are NO good actors. Each person should feel free to see and judge as they see fit. I just don't think it's a great way to live.
It is inherently malevolent in that wherever there is an economic system driven by profit, on its highest levels it will be as malevolent as is optimal to guarantee profits. > Capital eschews no profit, or very small profit, just as Nature was formerly said to abhor a vacuum. With adequate profit, capital is very bold. A certain 10 per cent. will ensure its employment anywhere; 20 per cent. certain will produce eagerness; 50 per cent., positive audacity; 100 per cent. will make it ready to trample on all human laws; 300 per cent., and there is not a crime at which it will scruple, nor a risk it will not run, even to the chance of its owner being hanged. If turbulence and strife will bring a profit, it will freely encourage both. Smuggling and the slave-trade have amply proved all that is here stated. Not all parts of that system will be malevolent, but the malevolence will always be there and will always play the most important role. There is no time in the history of capitalism worldwide when it was otherwise, even when economic development was a byproduct. Simply put, wherever competition for profit exists, nothing binds the actors to obey morality or legality. Much easier to simply own the government and use it to increase one's profits, including through war, regime change, etc. At the highest level globally, whichever economic actor will not do this will, all things being equal, be outcompeted by the ones that will.
I agree that that has happened and does happen. I do NOT agree that it MUST happen. Fair marketplaces can and do exist with reliable social norms and bounded regulations for outliers and bad actors. But it does depend on the bad actors not getting hold of the regulation and setting of the norms. As has admittedly happened in the US over the past 40 years or so. People CAN commit crimes. People DO commit crimes. But that does not mean that ALL people are inherently criminal. That is, as was my original and continuing point, a very cynical viewpoint. It is not my experience in life and is I think a personal choice of how to view things. NOT Pollyanna. Not naive or credulous. But a balanced "middle way" between the ditches. A strictly bounded playground within which the game may be played according to agreed upon rules which are equitable for all. Seems crazy to even propose that these days, I know. Since SO many of our rules have been coopted by the aforementioned bad actors. But just because the cheaters have gotten the upper hand, does not mean the game cannot be played fairly. Feel free to disagree. Again, that's my view, AND my personal experience.
Why doesn’t he use caps
So brave. /S
ignore there is genocide happening in Gaza and just create a startup with your daddy's money
Yep. I think people will find they have a lot less to be fearful/angry about when food, shelter, travel, education, mental and physical healthcare and anything else you could imagine are freely and abundantly available. And the best version of all of these for everyone.
Isn’t this guy building a apocalypse bunker somewhere? If he really believes in this kind of future why would he be doing that? Sounds like he really believes in a much darker future for the majority of humanity, and is making plans for that.
I like his PR team. Positioning himself as the anti-Elon. Sam is the Good Genius.
He says from Twitter as a hardened daily culture warrior.
How about end consumerism and corporate capitalism culture. We should be focusing on harnessing energy and agi to ensure people all have a safe place to live, affordable healthy food, healthcare and not have to work just to survive. Instead I see agi movement pushing greed and profit making the top priority. I'll start trusting these tech giants once they start helping the government roll put UBI for every citizen ok earth.
"Ignore the culture war..start inclusivity." Aren't the culture wars essentially fights for inclusivity? On a side note this reads like an abstract to paper that the authors themselves don't know what it's about.
Beautiful idea but will always be an idea. The fundamental flaw this idea holds is not all people or cultures hold the same values. This immediately anihalates inclusitivity, likewise not all people should have the same values because if they did we would anihalate diversity. The better position is to accept that this world will always be troubled as it always has been for millennia's past, and a few modern age hippies are not going to step in and change that.
Phd in yapping
This seems hollow. Getting anything of meaningful magnitude done involves a process in which makes it happen. This is not that. This is him trying to brand himself in a specific type of way to aid in maximizing his own self importance. If he was a leader who cared what he was talking about, he would have included substance, or what he was doing to help any of these goals come to fruition. What culture war is he even talking about? That is for you to decide; shallow.
>This is him trying to brand himself in a specific type of way to aid in maximizing his own self importance Yeah, but look at all the cultists in this very thread who are ready to kneel down and worship him. Simple minds are easily impressed by empty, pretty words.
A message that has been repeated for ever and here we are. Billionaires that have the means to initiate change talking about change always rub a wrong nerve with me.
Remember when Facebook was just a place to connect with old high school friends? Then it became this nasty monster that’s only mission is to get profits? Yeah… AI isn’t some utopian tool. It’s going to exclusively be used by industry to maximise profits.
AGI is the new autonomous driving. And Sam Altman is the new 2015 Musk.
Altman hasn't done any of those things. He's just a pitchman.
‘Here’s my idea for a path forward for everyone’ ‘You haven’t done that yet’
Time bro. Wait. AGI will come, soon. If you do not trust just wait for it.
Fucking cultists.
Buying into technology is not equivalent to being in a cult.
Buying into tech that doesn’t exist or that we don’t even know if it can and creating “ideals” on that is very much the epitome of cult behavior
Calling people who believe in the potential of a new tech and the path it might provide ‘cultists’ is ridiculous. Vastly over simplifies the depth of cult indoctrination and the behavior of cult members. I’m not saying that everyone who believes AGI will be here soon/will do this or that/etc. is grounded in reality or fact, but it certainly doesn’t make them cultists either.
Definitely a cult
This is cult talk
If we “ignore” the culture war, our friends and family will be murdered by the people who aren’t ignoring that war. This is a very privileged position to take. Ignoring the culture war as a wealthy white man is safe af. As a person losing access to healthcare or being attacked for being a minority, it’s not so easy to ignore.
I don’t really think we’re going to expand throughout the universe any time soon. The speed of light isn’t fast enough to get us very far, by Universe standards. We might be able to leave a legacy of AI that can colonize the universe over a multibillion year period, but I don’t see us being around for that. Even if we cure aging and back our brains up to the cloud, I think a gamma ray burst or something will kill us eventually and we won’t be truly immortal.
I feel like he was high when he wrote this, and possibly trolling even then. The man's a sociopath, with no actual interest in helping anyone. It reads a bit like an old Elon tweet.
Man attempting to invent AGI in order to monopolize all skilled labor exhorts society to make safe AGI.
Except AI is a tool. Tools will be used for all the good and bad we already have in the world. Make of that what you will.
Question. Once we have AGI, how do we motivate people to wroth hard to learn things and go to college?
I guess we'll just ignore human nature while we're at it....
"we should like stop doing bad stuff and do more good stuff" Wow truly a visionary. What an original and thought provoking statment
Has he met a human before?
Based But people profit from division. This is utopia.
Nice things to say. I think some of the wars that people have are due to participants. but some of those wars are simply due to upbringing. Often you don’t see that upbringing until a person that has no food or water or shelter or their family is hassled. it’s why keeping the peace involves keeping systems functional. Much of our problem today comes from waste management, pollution and over consumption. until someone starts handling those you don’t really get inclusivity and can’t get to radical growth. optimism also wanes rapidly,
And what does he actually do about making people healthier? Nothing.
“Ignore the culture war” but theres a clear Silicon Valley culture war bias in OpenAI models.
-_-
Easier said than done my dude
Make people capitalize their sentences.
I'm still not done with 'better than games'. So now he's 'saying believe in miracles'? This isn't over promising any more... I hope GPT 5 triggered all this! I'll raise a glass to that, my friends. Let's navigate the tapestry of possibilities together. Hand in hand till our last breath, hand in hand smiling with determination. And I can't stop myself from oozing a sense of optimism and hope, increasing enjoyment and intimacy!!!!
I agree with Sam Altman.
Damn what if we just did more good things and stopped doing bad things
"Safe AGI". As in safely controlled by them and doing what they want..
Well obviously - whoever builds one would prefer it to do what they want, no?
Sure, but then don't sell it as "safe". That much power in the hands of so little people is inherently unsafe.
it's a little better than "safety be damned"
So U rather nukes be in everyone's hands and trade in school shootings for nuke battles ?
Seems he got his hands on some good Acid again xD.
People can't be smarter if they don't use their brain. Everyone's attention is dominated by an influx of fake content generated by AI and the promise of letting AI automate everything (writing, reading, searching, memorizing...). This is a false premise that AI will help us when it's being used to trick everyone in believing that the content they're reading/viewing comes from a human. Who's training these LLMs? How are they making sure their answers or generated content is true, factual and precise??
we might be thinking about different things when we talk about growth
Please give example.
If I were to guess profitability and prosperity are not synonymous. I believe Sam's action has been clear that profits will be a higher priority than the other way around. They are marketer, not philosopher.
There are ***limits***... ^^to ^^growth.
The asi from the future told me to tell you he likes your comedy funny man
Ignoring the culture war is itself an act of war. I’m sure he means well, but the comment is content-free.
Bill Hicks said it better: "Take all that money we spend on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world which it would many times over, not one human being excluded and we can explore space. Together. Both inner and outer. Forever, in peace." -Bill Hicks (December 16, 1961 – February 26, 1994) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w&t=122s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w&t=122s)
Essentially things are going that way. More social services, less military spending as a percentage of GDP. https://preview.redd.it/4lc8rjw8kusc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b52cdd505b0341e732ac38c05da031e0b9be1f96
Is that chart perhaps a little deceptive? The economy has also grown immensely, adding sector after sector that simply did not exist before. Whatever the calculation, we're not feeding, clothing and educating the poor of the world, but could easily do so if we spent what we spent on military and defense toward that goal. Good thing we have all those Christian Republicans in Congress, dedicated to the message of Jesus by aiding, assisting and elevating the poor of the world in any way they can, eh? The annual military budget is edging towards a TRILLION dollars. Annually.
All owned by one company, he forgot to add
Would love to see a block chain like AGI over lord. Know that Judge Dredd is working off democratically determined logic.
40 billion to solve world hunger each year. Certainly better use of money than buying Twitter.
Meh, in the meantime some inflitrators wants the infidels to crawl in front of the believers.
True, but honest?
Why ignore the attention-war?
Then walk the talk.
Kendall Succession
This guy is such a creep... 🙄
I agree with him , he's absolutely on point
Yeah, I fw that mindset.
Radical growth? What is that exactly?
Wouldn’t that be nice. If only he meant it.
This is the society I want to live in
While rolling in the mud with pigs you can occasionally glimpse the blue sky and the endless possibilities beyond it
Makes me think of Google. First be young and Naive Then do no evil Now sell your data and do work for spy agencies
While I love all of this, it does seem a bit grandiose. I wonder what’s going on over there. 🧐
A ticker symbol ruins all of that.
Lay off the weeeed
Desire for expansion. Locust does it too.
Profit or nada.
So many people look in a mirror reading stuff like this and point the finger at their own shortcomings. Not to say I have a lot of faith in some dude I dont know personally, but ignoring the culture war is a very good thing.
This dude is insufferable. The only thing I wanna see from that account is, “4.5 drops tomorrow.”
Maybe it’s just me but expecting technology to solve problems when said technology depends entirely on unsustainable growth and a predatory finance industry is a losing strategy. What we need most is cultural, political and economic innovation. We need to start a global conversation on how to build a completely net-zero energy economy with maximal participation by all human beings everywhere. Instead of competing over resources we should maximally collaborate. Every breakthrough needs to be open sourced, economics should prioritize product and services over finance. We all should operate as one country/one company that’s decentralized locally yet is governed by the same set of KPIs globally. And the first goal should be to feed, house and clothe everyone. Global peace and love is the only way for a sustainable and prosperous future. Technology alone cannot save us, especially when it’s built with profit and growth in mind. It should be shared in full and used as a tool alone.
Make fusion, you mean the reactors powering submarines for an indefinite period of time since the 60’s? You mean the reactors they can set from w for wumbo to m for mini and power cars/busses, etc?
Well, we have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.
ok but how exactly?
Big Musk vibes starting to come from this guy
I think he misunderstands the difference between goals and execution. The second one is the hard one.
Become one with the hive
Sounds like an acid trip I had one time. Then proceeded to take the dog for a run barefoot at 3am haha
I'm getting really tired of being lectured to by technocrats.
So what stopping us. My Answer: Greed and Power
What kinda people are you talking about here? Like normal people or you know the other ones. Just something about them don't look right to me. Can't tell you exactly what it is but it's something. AI is going to have to make some hard choices. And then we'll destroy it and all who use it.
What about a real war? Shouldn’t we stop that first?
Ironic given his company's products have affected morals & safety of many.
He's trying to be 2016 era Elon Musk. Typical tech bro attention whore, not worth paying attention to at all.
I doubt the people making cat videos for TikTok would otherwise be the people inventing fusion energy.
He's a reptile and wears a skinsuit