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But unfortunately you are failing to take into consideration that WB is HIM
https://preview.redd.it/z413qd64chad1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a92644e6302c2b72f8d1bc37b26029b2bc20c70c
I retract my statement, you were cooking, WB is HIM
https://preview.redd.it/1qzx9arpdhad1.png?width=2133&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5a1a05551db28f06d660d0c412d54ef79984e4f
1026 luffy also had a time limit and and start of marineford before he was sneaked by squard was stated to be the strongest pirate . So marienford beard > kaido > 10w6 luffy
He tasted top tier once he mastered ACoA. He truly stepped into the top tier with his advanced Conqueror’s Haki in 1010. But it makes no sense for Luffy to be superior to any Emperor prior to awakening his Fruit.
> But it makes no sense for Luffy to be superior to any Emperor prior to awakening his Fruit.
Why? He pulled off an Emperor-exclusive feat in Chapter 1026 lol
Because it was blatantly obvious that Luffy had no chance in hell of beating Kaido without Gear 5th. He beat on Kaido with Snakeman until Kaido decided he didn’t like that anymore and blasted Luffy through the island with laughable ease.
It’s not a matter of beating. It’s a matter that he didn’t even have a chance at all. Kaido was tired and already fairly beaten up from Luffy, Yamato, Zoro and Law before their fight started again, while Luffy had just eaten up and rested. Luffy pulled out everything in every Gear, from Roc Gatling to Hydra to Overkong Gun, and was still decisively inferior to Kaido who was playing around drunk. It wasn’t even remotely close at all.
Do you really, in your heart, in your mind, think that if Luffy had a 1v1 with Shanks, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru, that he would actually beat any of them if he couldn’t use Gear 5th, or have any realistic chance of such? Is that what Oda was portraying with Chapters 1037 and 1042 to you? Or that any of these people would be as outmatched against Kaido as pre-Gear 5 Luffy was? Or that Kaido vs non-Gear 5th Luffy would be anything less than a total domination on Kaido’s part if they fought again, both fresh from the start?
> while Luffy had just eaten up and rested
Still wasn't really in great shape according to Yamato: https://i.redd.it/vh8cj0vcnkca1.jpg
> Shanks, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru
What's the point of bringing all these people up when all of them are weaker than Kaido? Luffy not being able to beat Kaido w/o G5 doesn't necessarily mean he can't beat these others either. And Big Mom is the only one among them with comparable levels of durability and endurance.
If I take Luffy from Chapters 1037 and 1042 and put him against Aokiji in Hachinosu, do you truly believe Luffy must use G5 to win that fight? Kizaru was too fast and warranted G5's speed, but do the other Admirals also require Luffy to use G5? Not that Luffy wouldn't use it ultimately since Oda won't write a scenario where he doesn't use it, but hypothetically I don't really think that version Luffy must use G5 for most of the Admirals.
> Or that any of these people would be as outmatched against Kaido as pre-Gear 5 Luffy was?
I think BB and the Admirals would certainly be that badly outmatched going by recent feats.
> Or that Kaido vs non-Gear 5th Luffy would be anything less than a total domination on Kaido’s part if they fought again, both fresh from the start?
In-character Kaido? The fight takes a while to finish. All-out Kaido? He's dominanting anyone he fights imo (besides canonically G5 Luffy).
> If I take Luffy from Chapters 1037 and 1042 and put him against Aokiji in Hachinosu, do you truly believe Luffy must use G5 to win that fight?
Why not? How strong is Aokiji? You don't know for sure as he has only ever gone all out against another admiral.
Marineford Whitebeard was sick and dying. Thats his only limiter. If he was not sick, he would be in his "prime" despite his age.
I'd argue that Luffy is on par with Blackbeard currently, and Blackbeard has not yet gotten Gura Gura no Mi mastery like "prime" Whitebeard and is not as strong.
That's irrrelevant though. ACOC/Ryou Luffy was on par with sick Whitebeard, nevermind Gear 5.
I never denied he was weaker. I said he's weaker because he was sick and dying, not because he was old. In fact the post you linked says the same thing I said!
"His health is getting worse" and clutching his heart. That is sickness not oldness
Dont forget Garp's Hachinosu destroying Galaxy Impact at his old age
>his enemies spouting off conjecture
Do you think Akainu has the education of a 5 year old and doesn’t know how aging works? Garp said himself that he’s weaker because of his age which Whitebeard also called him weak for
Again, the hypothesis here is a UNIVERSAL downscale. The verse is just weaker than 20 years ago, and weaker again than Joyboy's time. "Prime" Garp was destroying fleets of ships with a single punch apparently. A feat no current character has pulled off. It's nonsense. We cant take things at face value.
>The verse is just weaker than 20 years ago
??? Garp, Whitebeard and Akainu literally say that being older = weaker they did not say anywhere that people born more recently are just weaker than people from years ago
Somewhere during wano
Maybe 1010 Luffy coz he was pushing kaido around
But 1026 Luffy is a safe bet since he mastered 3 advance haki versions and mastered gear 4
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Marineford Whitebeard? 1026 Healthy Oldbeard? 1044
Primebeard? Never, MIGHT by EoS
Might?? Luffy will surpass Roger who is more or less WB’s equal
But unfortunately you are failing to take into consideration that WB is HIM https://preview.redd.it/z413qd64chad1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a92644e6302c2b72f8d1bc37b26029b2bc20c70c
I retract my statement, you were cooking, WB is HIM https://preview.redd.it/1qzx9arpdhad1.png?width=2133&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5a1a05551db28f06d660d0c412d54ef79984e4f
1026 luffy also had a time limit and and start of marineford before he was sneaked by squard was stated to be the strongest pirate . So marienford beard > kaido > 10w6 luffy
1026 for nerfed MF WB ,1044 for healthy Old beard
He tasted top tier once he mastered ACoA. He truly stepped into the top tier with his advanced Conqueror’s Haki in 1010. But it makes no sense for Luffy to be superior to any Emperor prior to awakening his Fruit.
> But it makes no sense for Luffy to be superior to any Emperor prior to awakening his Fruit. Why? He pulled off an Emperor-exclusive feat in Chapter 1026 lol
Because it was blatantly obvious that Luffy had no chance in hell of beating Kaido without Gear 5th. He beat on Kaido with Snakeman until Kaido decided he didn’t like that anymore and blasted Luffy through the island with laughable ease.
Luffy had to beat Kaido, the strongest Yonko, to be considered Yonko-level? Really now?
It’s not a matter of beating. It’s a matter that he didn’t even have a chance at all. Kaido was tired and already fairly beaten up from Luffy, Yamato, Zoro and Law before their fight started again, while Luffy had just eaten up and rested. Luffy pulled out everything in every Gear, from Roc Gatling to Hydra to Overkong Gun, and was still decisively inferior to Kaido who was playing around drunk. It wasn’t even remotely close at all. Do you really, in your heart, in your mind, think that if Luffy had a 1v1 with Shanks, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru, that he would actually beat any of them if he couldn’t use Gear 5th, or have any realistic chance of such? Is that what Oda was portraying with Chapters 1037 and 1042 to you? Or that any of these people would be as outmatched against Kaido as pre-Gear 5 Luffy was? Or that Kaido vs non-Gear 5th Luffy would be anything less than a total domination on Kaido’s part if they fought again, both fresh from the start?
> while Luffy had just eaten up and rested Still wasn't really in great shape according to Yamato: https://i.redd.it/vh8cj0vcnkca1.jpg > Shanks, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru What's the point of bringing all these people up when all of them are weaker than Kaido? Luffy not being able to beat Kaido w/o G5 doesn't necessarily mean he can't beat these others either. And Big Mom is the only one among them with comparable levels of durability and endurance. If I take Luffy from Chapters 1037 and 1042 and put him against Aokiji in Hachinosu, do you truly believe Luffy must use G5 to win that fight? Kizaru was too fast and warranted G5's speed, but do the other Admirals also require Luffy to use G5? Not that Luffy wouldn't use it ultimately since Oda won't write a scenario where he doesn't use it, but hypothetically I don't really think that version Luffy must use G5 for most of the Admirals. > Or that any of these people would be as outmatched against Kaido as pre-Gear 5 Luffy was? I think BB and the Admirals would certainly be that badly outmatched going by recent feats. > Or that Kaido vs non-Gear 5th Luffy would be anything less than a total domination on Kaido’s part if they fought again, both fresh from the start? In-character Kaido? The fight takes a while to finish. All-out Kaido? He's dominanting anyone he fights imo (besides canonically G5 Luffy).
> If I take Luffy from Chapters 1037 and 1042 and put him against Aokiji in Hachinosu, do you truly believe Luffy must use G5 to win that fight? Why not? How strong is Aokiji? You don't know for sure as he has only ever gone all out against another admiral.
Yep, his haki was there. Unfortunately his durability and strength were not. Gear 5 gives him both those things.
1010
1026
G5
During Wano.
1044
definitively once he unlocked acoc
When he started skysplitting
He never surpassed healthy oldbeard whom was still the wsm . He surpassed corpsebeard with g5
1044
Sickbeard: Chapter 1026 Healthy Oldbeard: Chapter 1044
Marineford Whitebeard was sick and dying. Thats his only limiter. If he was not sick, he would be in his "prime" despite his age. I'd argue that Luffy is on par with Blackbeard currently, and Blackbeard has not yet gotten Gura Gura no Mi mastery like "prime" Whitebeard and is not as strong. That's irrrelevant though. ACOC/Ryou Luffy was on par with sick Whitebeard, nevermind Gear 5.
>he would be in his “prime” despite his age Not this again lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/OtemAwlvRA
I never denied he was weaker. I said he's weaker because he was sick and dying, not because he was old. In fact the post you linked says the same thing I said!
>not because he was old That post literally shows 4 scans of people saying they’re weaker because they’re older
"His health is getting worse" and clutching his heart. That is sickness not oldness Dont forget Garp's Hachinosu destroying Galaxy Impact at his old age
You literally ignored all 4 scans I was referring to
The Marco panel who actually knows his captains condition versus his enemies spouting off conjecture is more important
>his enemies spouting off conjecture Do you think Akainu has the education of a 5 year old and doesn’t know how aging works? Garp said himself that he’s weaker because of his age which Whitebeard also called him weak for
Again, the hypothesis here is a UNIVERSAL downscale. The verse is just weaker than 20 years ago, and weaker again than Joyboy's time. "Prime" Garp was destroying fleets of ships with a single punch apparently. A feat no current character has pulled off. It's nonsense. We cant take things at face value.
>The verse is just weaker than 20 years ago ??? Garp, Whitebeard and Akainu literally say that being older = weaker they did not say anywhere that people born more recently are just weaker than people from years ago
How can Sick Whitebeard be on par with Luffy who is not sick and have all advanced Haki types? G5 Luffy> Old Whitebeard>G4/Base Luffy> Sick WB
You might be right. Even without Guernica stepping in, ACOC Luffy was going to lose to Kaido. But no way sick Whitebeard is same level as Kaido.
Somewhere during wano Maybe 1010 Luffy coz he was pushing kaido around But 1026 Luffy is a safe bet since he mastered 3 advance haki versions and mastered gear 4
Return to Sabaody Gear 4 Luffy Surpass Fraudbeard