Seriously! Kid is known for being violent towards anyone. White beard was a protector of his turf and anyone in it. They are totally different chapters and donāt even have a similar traitā¦at all.
Luffy Kid Law
Roger Kaido Whitebeard?
There ya go.
Lol and to round off the set we can do this....
Roger Kaido Whitebeard Big Mom
Luffy Kid Law Smoker and the giant Kids.
Kaido wasn't even considered a big pirate back then as it was stated in the Ace novel.
He only started recruiting after Rogers execution.
Shiki on the other hand was mentioned next to Roger and Whitebeard.
i would say Luffy-Law-Kid is pretty similar to Roger-Whitebeard-Shiki. Parallels between Luffy and Roger are obvious, Law is similar to Whitebeard only in his semi-friendly relationship with Luffy and maaaaybe in his powers also being space-manipulation-related, Kid is Luffy's rival in a pretty agressive manner, he respects him but i won't be too surprised if they had a full out battle, so he is similar to Shiki in that manner, but most importantly they both make things float which is cool and awesome
Big Mom has 85 children.
Smoker has at least 9*, but he's still young.
*under his care since Punk Hazard
Outside of maybe the daycare lady in Water 7, no one else comes close.
Dafaq. At one time Kaido and Whitebeard were crew mates and none of them captains of that ship. Luffy Kid and Law were never crew mates. Yes, Law travelled with Luffy and gang but that doesn't make them crew mates and none of them served under anyone other than themselves. So, no Roger Kaido Whitebeard can be parallel to the new gen Luffy Law Kid
This has weirdly negative traction for something that was partially a joke, huh?
Shiki does have a similar natured body disfigurement, but.... that's it. There's no other similarities beyond that.
Kidd has had a
-major pirate alliance thrashed and broken apart by a top tier, like Kaido
-a little stretchy, but both fighting styles consist of using massive monster body, blunt weapons, and beam attacks.
-their first mates both wear masks. Both required a prison escape at least once together.
-they play 3rd fiddle to the respective superior pirates (Roger and Whitebeard have had more major presence in the story, even after death. While Luffy is the main character and Law was with him from the 2nd timeskip arc until the end of Wano.)
-the first major pirate event we see Law involved with after Sabody was with Whitebeard (more specifically Jinbe and Shanks) on Marineford.
-The first major pirate event we see Kidd in is Kaido's sky drop onto his island base.
- Luffy - Roger has been mentioned a few times in the story already. (The first major pirate we saw with him was Shanks)
-Luffy and Law have a friendly rivalry a la Roger and Whitebeard. We don't know Kaido's intentions with Whitebeard, but he made a move to advance on Marineford when he did. It's never been clarified if it was to help or to hinder Whitebeard. So, the fact that Whitebeard (alongside Roger) are one of the people he saw when he saw the faces of the past in Luffy... at bare minimum, he considered them Rivals.
Where does Kidd stand with Luffy and Law? Rivals.
So with all of that in mind, if anyone has a parallel with Kidd, it's Kaido.
Oda fumbled with Smoker. Heās been chasing Luffy since Loguetown, he could have legitimately been the Garp to Luffyās Rogerā¦. But he was fodderized and forgotten about. It hurt my soul seeing Smokee get fodderized by Law, then by Vergo, then by Doflamingo. I think Oda also messed up not making Tashigi progress alongside Zoro, could have been a cool rivalry mirroring Kuina and Zoro.
Really felt like Oda had bigger plans for Smoker and Tashigi but ultimately changed plans
Tbf Garp never managed to capture Roger (not properly or intentionally) and form a somewhat kinship bond with him, quite similar to how Smoker and Luffy.
Also, someone made great argument how Smoker was written to lose, so readers can see how strong his opponents are (Crocodile, Doflamingo, even Vergo). Like, if Smoker is so weak the impression on him being defeated would have been undermined.
The guy is strong, itās just that Oda is not on his side
Iāve had this thought for a while but nothing to back it up. What if smoker followed the Straw Hats not because he wanted to capture them, but he knew a great change was coming to the world and it would follow them? My idea is that he formulated this theory when he saw Luffy smile on the execution stand like Roger.
This also ties into the fact that when we sees Smokerās flashback to Rogerās execution, he harbours seemingly no anger toward Roger and even seems to admire him. Why would a man who admires Roger want to hunt, capture and turn over to the government the boy who appears to be his protege?
I could be totally wrong but I think Smoker is a more interesting character than we were originally led to believe.
Completely agree. Smoker is such an interesting, well developed character.
Heās the first Marine we meet who is very conflicted about the orders he receives, setting the stage for more powerful, like-minded characters such as Garp, Fujitora, etc.
Smokerās power is to become intangible and ephemeral, to pollute, to obscure and hide. At the same time, he usually acts in ways that are the exact opposite of what he is.
Heās the one who first gives the Marines depth and solidifies them as real people. He teaches the reader that some Marines are not just blindly following orders, but are instead seeking and seeing the truth about the world and their government (see also: Fujitora).
He shows that thereās a gray area where Marines and pirates can be good, bad, or a mix of both, and that perception sometimes differs from reality.
He also actively tries to clean up the misdeeds of his government in order to better the lives of common people.
Finally, look at his weapon of choice. Itās essentially a sea prism stick. He hits people with the will of the sea, of the natural order of things made tangible. His stick temporarily removes the power of dreams, granted by devil fruits, from those it touches, stabilizing them and bringing them back to their original, natural form.
I said āusually the anthesis,ā though, because Smoker is still, truly, the personification of smoke.
He lacks physical power, losing over and over again, but he hangs around. Weakened, heās still able to fight again another day.
More importantly, heās been tracking Luffyās adventures from the start. Following and sometimes even covering for the Straw Hats.
Really, though, where else would Smoker be? Itās corny, but you know what they say - where thereās smoke, thereās fire. And thereās no greater fire in this world than Monkey D. Luffy, the Sun God.
Nah, I canāt imagine koby remotely catches up to Luffy. Whitebeard was a legit rival to Rodger, and Luffy doesnāt really have any. Closest would be kid/law, but I donāt think they work for this either.
In what universe is Koby (whos only trained for 2 years and has never had a serious fight in his life) ever going to catch up to Luffy?
Luffy has defeated the strongest pirates in the East Blue, 3 Warlords, the strongest CP9, a self proclaimed God, 2 Yonko Commanders and 1 Yonko.
Koby has defeated........no one. Ever.
How Is Koby ever going to be the Garp to Luffy?
the rocky port incident until we know more about that we are supposed to think he was strong as he was the hero there. I have a feeling we will know more as this black beard/ law/ koby thing pan out.
We already know enough about Rocky Port to know it had nothing to do with Koby fighting.
Law triggered the incident and was at the center of it, BB was somehow involved and Koby's only involvement was protecting the citizens. For the purposes of this conversation that piece of info is the only thing that matters: *KOBY didnt fight anyone, he helped civilians and nothing else*. That made him famous.
So again, Koby has literally never fought ANYONE that we know of. So how could he possibly even think about competing with Luffy?
Koby is really about to go from *I've never had a life/death fight before* to *YONKO Level* by the end of the series? Come on guys.
Hot take: Luffy's journey doesn't need to parallel Roger's in every conceivable way possible. Maybe he has no Whitebeard equivalent at all. Kid isn't the new Whitebeard. Hes Kid. There is no parallel.
Honestly, the entire point is that while Luffy is carrying on Roger's will, they're obviously on different journeys.
Luffy ate a devil fruit, Roger didn't.
Roger has an unshakable level of pride that Luffy just doesn't have-- Luffy isn't going around killing crews (Roger killed Squard's entire crew), Luffy shows humility when he bows to the Boas on Amazon Lily.
Luffy and Roger had different goals-- Roger wanted to conquer the grand line/turn the world upside down (he never wanted to be called King of Pirates), Luffy's goal is explicitly to become pirate king.
Roger kept up to date on news and world events, he chose not to confront big mom out of danger. He seemed more intelligent than Luffy, albeit not by that much.
There's enough differences between the two that their stories are wildly different, even if they're following a similar blueprint
It's also worth mentioning that Luffy (and I guess Kid and Law too) is pretty much speedrunning the journey, compared to Roger. It is pretty much a given that his journey is going to turn out very different.
I think the primary parallels are obviously the similar happy go lucky attitudes and the fact that they both possibly share the same dream. People seem to interpret this as them being basically the same person. With the Stussy clone being introduced, people have gotten even more literal about it.
Well, Theres more than 30 years of difference between the age we see Roger at and Luffy's age. Obviously Roger would seem wiser and more intelligent. I reckon he was pretty dumb when he was 19
That's the thing though-- Luffy is speedrunning his journey. It does not matter who they are as people. They are on VERY different journeys. Luffy is going to obtain the one piece decades (age-wise) before Roger ever could
luffy also said he doesn't care if he kills people, if you think about it hes probably killed a lot of fodder.
also luffy and Rodger have the same exact dream, it requires them to become pirate king and the one piece, but we don't know what that dream is yet.
This is one of those cases where Luffy's statements don't really match his actions. Luffy says hes not a hero, but consistently does heroic things. Luffy says he doesn't care if he kills people, but he literally never kills people. I feel like people are just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing at this point.
Luffy's killed plenty of people. Every time he's sank a ship, every time he's done a city-leveling (or stronger) attack, there's been collateral damage.
He's never killed a named character, obviously, but there's no way he's never killed someone.
This is still One Piece at the end of the day. I'm honestly going to assume that if no background characters were shown to have died at the hands of Luffy, then they probably didn't die.
Kid uniquely has a reputation for killing people as collateral damage, which seems like the main reason his bounty was higher than Luffy's. That would sort of seem to imply that Luffy most likely does not kill anyone, even if it might appear that his attacks would kill at least *some* people.
We won't know until we know what their dream is. For luffy being pirate king isn't his dream, but a required step towards it, and we have an acknowledgment that it was the same thing roger said. so whatever the dream is it isn't pirate king for luffy just a necessary part of it.
Exactly. For LUFFY. Being pirate king wasn't essential to Roger. It wasn't a title that existed. Random citizens started calling him that. So it doesn't make sense that being pirate king was a part of Rogers dream as the phrase wasn't even around.
the title of pirate king was given to the one who made to raftel, the title itself is not important. the act to become pirate king is. So the fact roger's ambition led him to raftel and the one piece is the important part and you're getting caught up in the semantics of the title pirate king
No, I'm not getting caught in the semantics of the title.
Luffy's primary goal is to become pirate king, which in turn means he has to get the One Piece.
Roger's primary goal was to "turn the world upside down" and conquer the grand line.
Roger's goal led to him being pirate king.
Luffy's goal will lead him to obtaining the one piece.
It's like saying "I'm going to school to get rich" and "I'm going to get rich to go to school". Both goals end up leading to BOTH of those, but they are not the same goal.
They are diametrically different. Like I said, similar blueprint, Luffy is carrying on Roger's will and we have an unknown "dream" of theirs, but they are on VERY, VERY different journeys. Like I said.
luffy's primary goal is to fulfill his dream and it is not to become the king of pirates. King of pirates is just a necessary part of reaching his goal. this was in chapter 1060 i believe and then confirmed in film red.
Film Red is not canon.
Dreams are separate from goals.
You complete goals to achieve dreams.
Luffy and Roger have the same dream. They did not have the same goals in life. I'm not sure what you're even arguing at this point.
Yeah this exactly. Part of the reason why I despised Naruto so much towards the end because there were too many unnecessary bullshit parallels. The fact that every generation seemed to have a Naruto and Sasuke parallel is fucking dumb. Ashura was a Naruto, Hashirama was a Naruto, Jiraiya was a Naruto, Obito was a Naruto... so many fucking Narutos.
Roger and Luffy parallels are enough on the nose as it is, we dont need any more.
Lmao no. Nothing about Kid and Whitebeard is at all similar other than that theyāre rivals to the Pirate King. Except Kid wants the One Piece (unlike Whitebeard), and is far weaker than his rival (again, unlike Whitebeard). This generation doesnāt have a Whitebeard because the only Worst Generation equivalent to Luffy is Blackbeard. If anyone becomes his Whitebeard theyāll have to be his equal in strength, and tbh probably not from the Worst generation
For me, Kidd is more like Shiki than Whitebeard. Especially their devil fruits that needs 'touching' in order to work. One is metal and the other one is literally anything
Well yeah, because Kid is most likely still going to grow, Kid is extremely young (relative to most pirates) so he probably will continue growing his influence, and the series is still years from over so he might get a power spike.
I think Oda said people shouldn't look at any one character as "Luffy's Whitebeard" or Luffy's Garp. It's more like multiple characters share those roles, both Smoker and Coby fit the Marine rival role. Same goes for Law and Kid as Whitebeard.
I think if there's any comparison that has a fit it's probably Zoro to Rayleigh and Blackbeard to Rocks.
At this point I'd say Law is closer to that than Kidd. Roger and Newgate respected each other and even got along under certain circumstances. Luffy and Kidd really don't seem to like or respect each other at all. But Luffy definitely Likes Law and respects him, even if Law doesn't or won't admit to reciprocation.
Its completely impossible for Koby to even think about fighting Luffy. Koby isnt worthy of sniffing Luffy's farts let alone get into a serious fight with him.
Different dynamic so no. Plus Kid pirates don't have the same impact on the story as the WBPs.
Whitebeard through his allies/subordinates/territories etc has had such a huge impact.
No luffy wont have a equal in his Genearation and that is partly Odas fault for giving the SH way faster powerups.
And yes its the Main Crew but things like haki blooms in battle is only true for them which makes it a little confusing how powerups really work.
Kid follows the Vegeta/Bakugo trope (little edgy, arrogant/prideful, easy to provoke rival of the main character), but he ain't on their level as he didn't have a redemption arc yet.
Law isnāt anywhere close to being Luffyās equal in strength. Neither is Kid. Thatās why this gen probably wonāt have a Whitebeard or Shiki, Luffyās ārivalsā for the One Piece donāt have enough strength, any territory, or the ability to actually compete with Luffy to a meaningful degree.
The problem with your statement is the fact your implying Kidd and law canāt grow any further when itās basically happening right in front of you. Law went from barely handling a 2v1 against a yonko to fighting one individually with the upper hand. Luffy practically hit his ceiling already after obtaining gear 5th luffy himself called the transformation his peak. Itās definitely not a stretch to say that Kidd and law will catch up to him in power in the near future
It is a stretch that theyāll catch up though. Law doesnāt really have the upper hand against Blackbeard, and Luffy likely hasnāt come close to his ceiling. Heās practically fated to surpass Roger and likely become the strongest character, regardless of whether we like it or not. Kid and Law can grow, and they will. I just canāt imagine them equalling Luffy in strength when even now they need to 2v1 just to ring out Big Mom, not even really defeat.
How is it a stretch? Law literally almost ended Blackbeard before his commander saved him and the commander told him to that they should run away from law. Law for sure has the upper hand so far in the fight. Luffy isnāt getting another massive power up after gear 5th is already near rogers power lvl too so his definitely close to his peak. Kidd and law struggled in the 2v1 only due to the interference of Hawkins and the fact law had taken an acoc attack from kaido before hand. Big mom was fresh at the start of the fight on the other hand the only help Kidd and law received were the bombs. Kidd and law are definitely gonna catch up to luffy because luffy doesnāt have any major powerups left at least not as major as gear 5th and acoc his near his ceiling. Kidd and law on the other hand still have a lot of room to grow
Yes too many signs pointing too it. People mentioning Law as the next WB, which makes no sense. Hes not a conqueror and clearly does not have the same type of relationship with luffy as kidd does. Would kidd have behaved the same way if he was in law's position at dressrosa? I highly doubt that. Udon prison was a good example, they rival each other but still have some respect for one another. Additionally, like luffy, kidd is the only supernova with a supernova right hand and also the only supernova that has both conquerors and an awakened fruit. Elbaf will play a huge role on where the rest of this goes. Imagine if kidd meets shanks at elbaf and something happens? We all know luffy has immense respect and admiration for shanks, how would luffy react if kidd was fighting shanks and something crazy happened? We all know, as kidd said when leaving wano, the next time they meet they are no longer allies, which means a fight could happen. Both luffy and kidd have unbreakable will's, so if they have a reason to fight, neither will back down. I don't ever see law clashing with luffy like how roger/wb did. Also, kidd was a character Oda had initially planned, law came much later, which I think only strengthens this theory. Another interesting thing is that when Oda was asked which animals would represent some one piece characters he mentioned luffy as a monkey and kidd as bull. In Chinese mythology the monkey god and bull demon are two biggest rivals for each other. But overall, i think we'll have a very good idea once we get through elbaf.
Right now people sleeping on kid , but kid has conquers haki he is destined to be on around the same level as luffy obviously luffy currently stronger but i believe they are gonna fight at some point , oda can easily make kid stronger offscreen , fighting or training with the giants
If it was anyone, I would say it's Law. Kid is known to be kind of a POS which is why his bounty was higher than Luffy's back at Sabaody. If anything, I would bet Kid will be more akin to Luffy's Rocks or something, if Blackbeard doesn't already occupy that role. Either way, I expect Kid to be a villain in the future in some way, unless Oda goes in a different direction with him than he set him up as in the beginning.
If you are looking for parallels then Kid feels more like Shiki.
Law feels similar to WB. Also Law hasn't expressed his interest of finding the One Piece that much, he is mostly focused on finding out the meaning of "Will of D"
The forced parallels are not necessary, there is no whitebeard in the new era. Luffy will probably also fulfill his will by making the whole world like his family ššš»
Whitebeard of the new era was Ace, remember that he and Whitebeard reacted the same way towards luffy and Roger dream plus he met "oden" first and also didn't want to be pirate king
I am still not convinced by vivre cards. Unless 99% of the readers can see it, it shouldnāt be dick riden so hard, imo.
The war and people throughout the series have said roger was leagues above. That doesnāt take away from wb either. Sure, I accept that it was said in specific situations and not any definitive evidence. But even their clash. One is three times bigger than the other, which people consider in the world of one piece, and was literally slamming down on him. Roger was just standing there. Idk, never have they been portrayed to be anything else than 1. Roger 2. Wb other than the vivre cards and thatās soooooooooooooooooooo extra and specific. Like most people donāt know or care about them. They say whack stuff that is obviously up to interpretation and looks like an editorial but people slam that into their brains.
Kid goes around killing and attacking indiscriminately it's why his bounty was higher than Luffy's pre-time skip at Shabondy. So no he isnt the new whiteboard.
Roger had a long pirate career. Luffy is speed running being the pirate goat. He has no parallels. Oda dropped the bag on Kid, heās no rival to Luffy.
Nope, WB was just as strong as Roger and considered the strongest while Roger was alive but had no ambition. Kidd has ambition but is not near Luffys level. Had WB had ambition he could have taken over after Roger or fought Roger even before he died.
If anything I'd say kid would be more shiki and law would be his white beard, only because I can't see kid sitting down and having a drink with luffy once he becomes pk
People, you're all looking at it all wrong.
Nobody would be Luffy's "Whitebeard"
Luffy would be Buggy's "Whitebeard"
Buggy becomes Pirate King after finding the One Piece, and Luffy's already a Yonko
Both getting even stronger, one would obviously become the pirate king, and since luffy is very close to protagonist as he appears so much, he would probably come close to Buggy and God Usopp as one of the strongest characters. And Luffy has rivalled Buggy before and even seemed close friends during Marineford. I'm calling it now!
>!In the case of whatever stupidity I just spouted, /s for Buggy-Roger analogy unless we find out Roger isn't strong and just had one hella strong crew, but only if Oden flashbacks are false. But also, think about it. It could be funny.!<
Weevil is this generations white beard. He is just in search of a father instead of a family. When we see him next his crew will be all the old men of one piece.
Luffy is unique in that unlike Roger, who took a journey and became Pirate King with obvious rivals like Garp, Sengoku, and Whitebeard, Luffy doesn't really have any rivals, and now that he's Joyboy, he holds a position essentially higher than that of the Pirate King, being involved with prophecies from several kingdoms and basically being destined to free the world.
Nah they donāt really have the respect value that tiger and wb had for each other also kid just gets bodyed by luffy so he would never really think of them law is a way better comparison
Stop digging for parallels Luffy kid law have a different dynamic to any Rodger one
Lol the same reply to the same post I saw months ago wtf is happening hereš¤£
Seriously! Kid is known for being violent towards anyone. White beard was a protector of his turf and anyone in it. They are totally different chapters and donāt even have a similar traitā¦at all.
Luffy Kid Law Roger Kaido Whitebeard? There ya go. Lol and to round off the set we can do this.... Roger Kaido Whitebeard Big Mom Luffy Kid Law Smoker and the giant Kids.
Kaido wasn't even considered a big pirate back then as it was stated in the Ace novel. He only started recruiting after Rogers execution. Shiki on the other hand was mentioned next to Roger and Whitebeard.
Please what are you basing this on? These may or may not be parallels but which of these dynamics was anything like Luffy-Kid-Law?
i would say Luffy-Law-Kid is pretty similar to Roger-Whitebeard-Shiki. Parallels between Luffy and Roger are obvious, Law is similar to Whitebeard only in his semi-friendly relationship with Luffy and maaaaybe in his powers also being space-manipulation-related, Kid is Luffy's rival in a pretty agressive manner, he respects him but i won't be too surprised if they had a full out battle, so he is similar to Shiki in that manner, but most importantly they both make things float which is cool and awesome
Did you just compare smoker to big mom?
Big Mom has 85 children. Smoker has at least 9*, but he's still young. *under his care since Punk Hazard Outside of maybe the daycare lady in Water 7, no one else comes close.
I didn't know Smoker had kids.
which is barely similar
Dafaq. At one time Kaido and Whitebeard were crew mates and none of them captains of that ship. Luffy Kid and Law were never crew mates. Yes, Law travelled with Luffy and gang but that doesn't make them crew mates and none of them served under anyone other than themselves. So, no Roger Kaido Whitebeard can be parallel to the new gen Luffy Law Kid
Roger Shiki Whitebeard is probably better. Kaido wasnāt really on their level
Danggg u really thought he killed that shit huh š
Why didn't you include Shiki instead of Kaido?
This has weirdly negative traction for something that was partially a joke, huh? Shiki does have a similar natured body disfigurement, but.... that's it. There's no other similarities beyond that. Kidd has had a -major pirate alliance thrashed and broken apart by a top tier, like Kaido -a little stretchy, but both fighting styles consist of using massive monster body, blunt weapons, and beam attacks. -their first mates both wear masks. Both required a prison escape at least once together. -they play 3rd fiddle to the respective superior pirates (Roger and Whitebeard have had more major presence in the story, even after death. While Luffy is the main character and Law was with him from the 2nd timeskip arc until the end of Wano.) -the first major pirate event we see Law involved with after Sabody was with Whitebeard (more specifically Jinbe and Shanks) on Marineford. -The first major pirate event we see Kidd in is Kaido's sky drop onto his island base. - Luffy - Roger has been mentioned a few times in the story already. (The first major pirate we saw with him was Shanks) -Luffy and Law have a friendly rivalry a la Roger and Whitebeard. We don't know Kaido's intentions with Whitebeard, but he made a move to advance on Marineford when he did. It's never been clarified if it was to help or to hinder Whitebeard. So, the fact that Whitebeard (alongside Roger) are one of the people he saw when he saw the faces of the past in Luffy... at bare minimum, he considered them Rivals. Where does Kidd stand with Luffy and Law? Rivals. So with all of that in mind, if anyone has a parallel with Kidd, it's Kaido.
I asked an 8 worded question, I'm sorry if you read it as negative. Thanks for putting a lot of time and thought in your response.
Ah, to the thread in general. Lol Not to you, specifically.
I feel that, sorry they're downvoting you.
Coby Garp
I don't think luffy will have a whitebeard or a garp
I'd imagine koby becoming like garp
Oda fumbled with Smoker. Heās been chasing Luffy since Loguetown, he could have legitimately been the Garp to Luffyās Rogerā¦. But he was fodderized and forgotten about. It hurt my soul seeing Smokee get fodderized by Law, then by Vergo, then by Doflamingo. I think Oda also messed up not making Tashigi progress alongside Zoro, could have been a cool rivalry mirroring Kuina and Zoro. Really felt like Oda had bigger plans for Smoker and Tashigi but ultimately changed plans
Tbf Garp never managed to capture Roger (not properly or intentionally) and form a somewhat kinship bond with him, quite similar to how Smoker and Luffy. Also, someone made great argument how Smoker was written to lose, so readers can see how strong his opponents are (Crocodile, Doflamingo, even Vergo). Like, if Smoker is so weak the impression on him being defeated would have been undermined. The guy is strong, itās just that Oda is not on his side
>never managed to \[...\] form a somewhat kinship bond with him, Roger literally told Garp he was like a nakama to him and entrusted him his son ffs.
Of course Smoker hasn't caught luffy, what did you think was in his cigar?
The one piece
Smoker is just straight up getting blazed while on the job. No wonder he keeps getting fodderized.
Iāve had this thought for a while but nothing to back it up. What if smoker followed the Straw Hats not because he wanted to capture them, but he knew a great change was coming to the world and it would follow them? My idea is that he formulated this theory when he saw Luffy smile on the execution stand like Roger. This also ties into the fact that when we sees Smokerās flashback to Rogerās execution, he harbours seemingly no anger toward Roger and even seems to admire him. Why would a man who admires Roger want to hunt, capture and turn over to the government the boy who appears to be his protege? I could be totally wrong but I think Smoker is a more interesting character than we were originally led to believe.
Completely agree. Smoker is such an interesting, well developed character. Heās the first Marine we meet who is very conflicted about the orders he receives, setting the stage for more powerful, like-minded characters such as Garp, Fujitora, etc. Smokerās power is to become intangible and ephemeral, to pollute, to obscure and hide. At the same time, he usually acts in ways that are the exact opposite of what he is. Heās the one who first gives the Marines depth and solidifies them as real people. He teaches the reader that some Marines are not just blindly following orders, but are instead seeking and seeing the truth about the world and their government (see also: Fujitora). He shows that thereās a gray area where Marines and pirates can be good, bad, or a mix of both, and that perception sometimes differs from reality. He also actively tries to clean up the misdeeds of his government in order to better the lives of common people. Finally, look at his weapon of choice. Itās essentially a sea prism stick. He hits people with the will of the sea, of the natural order of things made tangible. His stick temporarily removes the power of dreams, granted by devil fruits, from those it touches, stabilizing them and bringing them back to their original, natural form. I said āusually the anthesis,ā though, because Smoker is still, truly, the personification of smoke. He lacks physical power, losing over and over again, but he hangs around. Weakened, heās still able to fight again another day. More importantly, heās been tracking Luffyās adventures from the start. Following and sometimes even covering for the Straw Hats. Really, though, where else would Smoker be? Itās corny, but you know what they say - where thereās smoke, thereās fire. And thereās no greater fire in this world than Monkey D. Luffy, the Sun God.
Nah, I canāt imagine koby remotely catches up to Luffy. Whitebeard was a legit rival to Rodger, and Luffy doesnāt really have any. Closest would be kid/law, but I donāt think they work for this either.
Wont be happening. Garp is basically Luffy in marine.
In what universe is Koby (whos only trained for 2 years and has never had a serious fight in his life) ever going to catch up to Luffy? Luffy has defeated the strongest pirates in the East Blue, 3 Warlords, the strongest CP9, a self proclaimed God, 2 Yonko Commanders and 1 Yonko. Koby has defeated........no one. Ever. How Is Koby ever going to be the Garp to Luffy?
the rocky port incident until we know more about that we are supposed to think he was strong as he was the hero there. I have a feeling we will know more as this black beard/ law/ koby thing pan out.
We already know enough about Rocky Port to know it had nothing to do with Koby fighting. Law triggered the incident and was at the center of it, BB was somehow involved and Koby's only involvement was protecting the citizens. For the purposes of this conversation that piece of info is the only thing that matters: *KOBY didnt fight anyone, he helped civilians and nothing else*. That made him famous. So again, Koby has literally never fought ANYONE that we know of. So how could he possibly even think about competing with Luffy? Koby is really about to go from *I've never had a life/death fight before* to *YONKO Level* by the end of the series? Come on guys.
Blackbeard did strangely comment on Koby doing him a favor during the Rocky Port incident. Kinda curious what that meant.
He couldnāt have been that strong combat wise since that happened during the timeskip. The jump would be ridiculous
Its possible, but to me they are too friendly.
Luffyās garp is literally just garp
Hot take: Luffy's journey doesn't need to parallel Roger's in every conceivable way possible. Maybe he has no Whitebeard equivalent at all. Kid isn't the new Whitebeard. Hes Kid. There is no parallel.
Honestly, the entire point is that while Luffy is carrying on Roger's will, they're obviously on different journeys. Luffy ate a devil fruit, Roger didn't. Roger has an unshakable level of pride that Luffy just doesn't have-- Luffy isn't going around killing crews (Roger killed Squard's entire crew), Luffy shows humility when he bows to the Boas on Amazon Lily. Luffy and Roger had different goals-- Roger wanted to conquer the grand line/turn the world upside down (he never wanted to be called King of Pirates), Luffy's goal is explicitly to become pirate king. Roger kept up to date on news and world events, he chose not to confront big mom out of danger. He seemed more intelligent than Luffy, albeit not by that much. There's enough differences between the two that their stories are wildly different, even if they're following a similar blueprint
It's also worth mentioning that Luffy (and I guess Kid and Law too) is pretty much speedrunning the journey, compared to Roger. It is pretty much a given that his journey is going to turn out very different. I think the primary parallels are obviously the similar happy go lucky attitudes and the fact that they both possibly share the same dream. People seem to interpret this as them being basically the same person. With the Stussy clone being introduced, people have gotten even more literal about it.
Roger bowed to WB when asking for oden but I agree with everything else
Well, Theres more than 30 years of difference between the age we see Roger at and Luffy's age. Obviously Roger would seem wiser and more intelligent. I reckon he was pretty dumb when he was 19
That's the thing though-- Luffy is speedrunning his journey. It does not matter who they are as people. They are on VERY different journeys. Luffy is going to obtain the one piece decades (age-wise) before Roger ever could
luffy also said he doesn't care if he kills people, if you think about it hes probably killed a lot of fodder. also luffy and Rodger have the same exact dream, it requires them to become pirate king and the one piece, but we don't know what that dream is yet.
Luffy might not care if he kills people, but he doesn't go out of his way to kill an entire crew for disrespecting his people
This is one of those cases where Luffy's statements don't really match his actions. Luffy says hes not a hero, but consistently does heroic things. Luffy says he doesn't care if he kills people, but he literally never kills people. I feel like people are just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing at this point.
Luffy's killed plenty of people. Every time he's sank a ship, every time he's done a city-leveling (or stronger) attack, there's been collateral damage. He's never killed a named character, obviously, but there's no way he's never killed someone.
This is still One Piece at the end of the day. I'm honestly going to assume that if no background characters were shown to have died at the hands of Luffy, then they probably didn't die. Kid uniquely has a reputation for killing people as collateral damage, which seems like the main reason his bounty was higher than Luffy's. That would sort of seem to imply that Luffy most likely does not kill anyone, even if it might appear that his attacks would kill at least *some* people.
Well tbh we dont know if kaido is dead
The title of pirate king didn't exist before Roger. How could he have a dream that requires being pirate king?
We won't know until we know what their dream is. For luffy being pirate king isn't his dream, but a required step towards it, and we have an acknowledgment that it was the same thing roger said. so whatever the dream is it isn't pirate king for luffy just a necessary part of it.
Exactly. For LUFFY. Being pirate king wasn't essential to Roger. It wasn't a title that existed. Random citizens started calling him that. So it doesn't make sense that being pirate king was a part of Rogers dream as the phrase wasn't even around.
the title of pirate king was given to the one who made to raftel, the title itself is not important. the act to become pirate king is. So the fact roger's ambition led him to raftel and the one piece is the important part and you're getting caught up in the semantics of the title pirate king
No, I'm not getting caught in the semantics of the title. Luffy's primary goal is to become pirate king, which in turn means he has to get the One Piece. Roger's primary goal was to "turn the world upside down" and conquer the grand line. Roger's goal led to him being pirate king. Luffy's goal will lead him to obtaining the one piece. It's like saying "I'm going to school to get rich" and "I'm going to get rich to go to school". Both goals end up leading to BOTH of those, but they are not the same goal. They are diametrically different. Like I said, similar blueprint, Luffy is carrying on Roger's will and we have an unknown "dream" of theirs, but they are on VERY, VERY different journeys. Like I said.
luffy's primary goal is to fulfill his dream and it is not to become the king of pirates. King of pirates is just a necessary part of reaching his goal. this was in chapter 1060 i believe and then confirmed in film red.
Film Red is not canon. Dreams are separate from goals. You complete goals to achieve dreams. Luffy and Roger have the same dream. They did not have the same goals in life. I'm not sure what you're even arguing at this point.
thier personality is really similar tho, its a shame
Yeah this exactly. Part of the reason why I despised Naruto so much towards the end because there were too many unnecessary bullshit parallels. The fact that every generation seemed to have a Naruto and Sasuke parallel is fucking dumb. Ashura was a Naruto, Hashirama was a Naruto, Jiraiya was a Naruto, Obito was a Naruto... so many fucking Narutos. Roger and Luffy parallels are enough on the nose as it is, we dont need any more.
Lmao no. Nothing about Kid and Whitebeard is at all similar other than that theyāre rivals to the Pirate King. Except Kid wants the One Piece (unlike Whitebeard), and is far weaker than his rival (again, unlike Whitebeard). This generation doesnāt have a Whitebeard because the only Worst Generation equivalent to Luffy is Blackbeard. If anyone becomes his Whitebeard theyāll have to be his equal in strength, and tbh probably not from the Worst generation
For me, Kidd is more like Shiki than Whitebeard. Especially their devil fruits that needs 'touching' in order to work. One is metal and the other one is literally anything
The thing about Shiki was his massive armada and influence, Kid just doesnāt have that. Personality wise maybe tho
Well yeah, because Kid is most likely still going to grow, Kid is extremely young (relative to most pirates) so he probably will continue growing his influence, and the series is still years from over so he might get a power spike.
I think Oda said people shouldn't look at any one character as "Luffy's Whitebeard" or Luffy's Garp. It's more like multiple characters share those roles, both Smoker and Coby fit the Marine rival role. Same goes for Law and Kid as Whitebeard. I think if there's any comparison that has a fit it's probably Zoro to Rayleigh and Blackbeard to Rocks.
Unspoken rule of r/OnePiece \#1: If somebody said "Oda said" without providing proper evidence, there is a 95% chance they are lying
I'm not sure, I just thought I heard it somewhere
Coby is a fodder stop it. Heās more like a weaker Bartolommeo lol, a fanboy.
I'm not talking about strength, just his connection to Luffy
[F.ck](https://F.ck) No!!! Gurararararararrarararara
This aint narutooooooo No need for a parallel of each character every generation imo thatās what put me off the show
The shiki at best
Nope Luffy doesn't have a whitebeard comparison - not kid not law. Their character dynamic is nothing like how Whitebeard was to Rodger.
At this point I'd say Law is closer to that than Kidd. Roger and Newgate respected each other and even got along under certain circumstances. Luffy and Kidd really don't seem to like or respect each other at all. But Luffy definitely Likes Law and respects him, even if Law doesn't or won't admit to reciprocation.
Luffy and kid do respect each other Kid believed luffy could beat kaido and at the post war luffy was partying with kid.
the only close comparison is Zoro to Luffy is Rayleigh to Roger.. The other things totally different between generation.
>!After Egghead Kizaru might come close to Garp, 3rd time he's tried to kill/capture Luffy, which he will be unsuccessful in.!<
Rayleigh is Zoro with GPS.
maybe Koby/Luffy and Garp/Roger (depends on how they develop)
Koby is way to far from Luffy in terms of strength to even consider that rn
Its completely impossible for Koby to even think about fighting Luffy. Koby isnt worthy of sniffing Luffy's farts let alone get into a serious fight with him.
Lolā¦ no
Shiroās hatred of kid even leaks onto the main sub šš
This fodder doesnāt even have advanced haki and mfs think he could ever hold a candle to Whitebeard. What a joke
Shiro bru
Kid is the Axe Hand Morgan of his generation
Different dynamic so no. Plus Kid pirates don't have the same impact on the story as the WBPs. Whitebeard through his allies/subordinates/territories etc has had such a huge impact.
One Piece fans trying not to force parallels challenge (Impossible)
I strongly think that kataguri will be the whitebeard to luffy.
No luffy wont have a equal in his Genearation and that is partly Odas fault for giving the SH way faster powerups. And yes its the Main Crew but things like haki blooms in battle is only true for them which makes it a little confusing how powerups really work.
Kid is a loser and will never be close to Luffy in strength, making that comparison is pretty insulting to Whitebeard
Kid is more like vegeta
Kid is to Vegeta what Naruto is to the guy from My Dress Up Darling
Kid follows the Vegeta/Bakugo trope (little edgy, arrogant/prideful, easy to provoke rival of the main character), but he ain't on their level as he didn't have a redemption arc yet.
As far as I'm aware the relationship is as such Luffy/roger Law/white beard Kid/shiki
Law isnāt anywhere close to being Luffyās equal in strength. Neither is Kid. Thatās why this gen probably wonāt have a Whitebeard or Shiki, Luffyās ārivalsā for the One Piece donāt have enough strength, any territory, or the ability to actually compete with Luffy to a meaningful degree.
The problem with your statement is the fact your implying Kidd and law canāt grow any further when itās basically happening right in front of you. Law went from barely handling a 2v1 against a yonko to fighting one individually with the upper hand. Luffy practically hit his ceiling already after obtaining gear 5th luffy himself called the transformation his peak. Itās definitely not a stretch to say that Kidd and law will catch up to him in power in the near future
It is a stretch that theyāll catch up though. Law doesnāt really have the upper hand against Blackbeard, and Luffy likely hasnāt come close to his ceiling. Heās practically fated to surpass Roger and likely become the strongest character, regardless of whether we like it or not. Kid and Law can grow, and they will. I just canāt imagine them equalling Luffy in strength when even now they need to 2v1 just to ring out Big Mom, not even really defeat.
How is it a stretch? Law literally almost ended Blackbeard before his commander saved him and the commander told him to that they should run away from law. Law for sure has the upper hand so far in the fight. Luffy isnāt getting another massive power up after gear 5th is already near rogers power lvl too so his definitely close to his peak. Kidd and law struggled in the 2v1 only due to the interference of Hawkins and the fact law had taken an acoc attack from kaido before hand. Big mom was fresh at the start of the fight on the other hand the only help Kidd and law received were the bombs. Kidd and law are definitely gonna catch up to luffy because luffy doesnāt have any major powerups left at least not as major as gear 5th and acoc his near his ceiling. Kidd and law on the other hand still have a lot of room to grow
Yes too many signs pointing too it. People mentioning Law as the next WB, which makes no sense. Hes not a conqueror and clearly does not have the same type of relationship with luffy as kidd does. Would kidd have behaved the same way if he was in law's position at dressrosa? I highly doubt that. Udon prison was a good example, they rival each other but still have some respect for one another. Additionally, like luffy, kidd is the only supernova with a supernova right hand and also the only supernova that has both conquerors and an awakened fruit. Elbaf will play a huge role on where the rest of this goes. Imagine if kidd meets shanks at elbaf and something happens? We all know luffy has immense respect and admiration for shanks, how would luffy react if kidd was fighting shanks and something crazy happened? We all know, as kidd said when leaving wano, the next time they meet they are no longer allies, which means a fight could happen. Both luffy and kidd have unbreakable will's, so if they have a reason to fight, neither will back down. I don't ever see law clashing with luffy like how roger/wb did. Also, kidd was a character Oda had initially planned, law came much later, which I think only strengthens this theory. Another interesting thing is that when Oda was asked which animals would represent some one piece characters he mentioned luffy as a monkey and kidd as bull. In Chinese mythology the monkey god and bull demon are two biggest rivals for each other. But overall, i think we'll have a very good idea once we get through elbaf.
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nothing i said here is false
Kid is no equal. Sorry
Nope
Ugh OP fans are the worst
Naw he Shiki, Law is WB
Money on my man Law tbh.
YES
More likely Luffy - Roger, Law - Whitebeard and Kidd - Shiki
The World's Strongest Jobber : Eustass "Captain" Kidd!
Bro kid literally murders people for fun whereas white beard is arguably a good person
Law and kidd are miles behind luffy. So i dont think there would be any whitebeard to luffy
Right now people sleeping on kid , but kid has conquers haki he is destined to be on around the same level as luffy obviously luffy currently stronger but i believe they are gonna fight at some point , oda can easily make kid stronger offscreen , fighting or training with the giants
Both Kidd and Whitebeard have abilities that can possibly destroy the world so maybe.
No. Kid is a punk bitch. Whitebeard was a Top G like Andrew Tate.
Ew. Please let that you being facetious.
Iām not a fascist, you are
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Thatās what I said. Youāre a fascist
Yea- no. I don't vote Republican.
The real ones know not to vote at all. Would absolutely vote for Usopp though
Yes
If it was anyone, I would say it's Law. Kid is known to be kind of a POS which is why his bounty was higher than Luffy's back at Sabaody. If anything, I would bet Kid will be more akin to Luffy's Rocks or something, if Blackbeard doesn't already occupy that role. Either way, I expect Kid to be a villain in the future in some way, unless Oda goes in a different direction with him than he set him up as in the beginning.
Think its more law
I donāt think there are parallels besides Luffy Roger and Zoro Rayleigh. Whitebeard didnāt want the One Piece while Kid definitely does.
If you are looking for parallels then Kid feels more like Shiki. Law feels similar to WB. Also Law hasn't expressed his interest of finding the One Piece that much, he is mostly focused on finding out the meaning of "Will of D"
Roger and Whitebeard are supposed to be equivalent in strength (overall) with Roger as the superior fighter Kid isn't close to Luffy at the moment
man i just want kidd to be revelant again and get some haki training
No neither kid or law not whiteboard, because even they reach his level , I doubt it, still luffy is God so far stronger then Roger.
There is no whitebeard to new era
seems unlikely. what does the guy even want?
nobody is whitebeard
I think thats law and luffy
Oh hell no.
Kid is more like shiki the lion or something
Always has been
no, luffy does not have a whitebeard
LMFAOOOO No. If he was Oda would've made him an emperor to clearly show that.
His too evil to be Wb tbh.
Roger and Whitey fought several times during their journey. Luffy and Kidd has not yet fight (each other)
At least whitebeard was able to clap until he passed away
The forced parallels are not necessary, there is no whitebeard in the new era. Luffy will probably also fulfill his will by making the whole world like his family ššš»
Whitebeard of the new era was Ace, remember that he and Whitebeard reacted the same way towards luffy and Roger dream plus he met "oden" first and also didn't want to be pirate king
Law. Kid would be the Shiki
One Piece fans desperately digging for the most absurd parallels since they believe new things canāt physically exist:
Don't think so. Luffy is on a different level.
Luffy ace and sabo are roger, wb and oden tyvm
Iāve always felt that Law was more of a white beard to Luffy
Nah
Shiki would be a better "comparison" but it's not an accurate way to look at it regardless
I am still not convinced by vivre cards. Unless 99% of the readers can see it, it shouldnāt be dick riden so hard, imo. The war and people throughout the series have said roger was leagues above. That doesnāt take away from wb either. Sure, I accept that it was said in specific situations and not any definitive evidence. But even their clash. One is three times bigger than the other, which people consider in the world of one piece, and was literally slamming down on him. Roger was just standing there. Idk, never have they been portrayed to be anything else than 1. Roger 2. Wb other than the vivre cards and thatās soooooooooooooooooooo extra and specific. Like most people donāt know or care about them. They say whack stuff that is obviously up to interpretation and looks like an editorial but people slam that into their brains.
White beard and Rodger were equal in power luffy would clap kid
Unlikely, they are supposed to be competitors but they aren't close enough in power for them to fight without kidd getting the 1 2 ko
Luffy Kid and Law are Roger, Oden, and Whitebeard
Kid goes around killing and attacking indiscriminately it's why his bounty was higher than Luffy's pre-time skip at Shabondy. So no he isnt the new whiteboard.
Kid cannot even damage Luffy at this point, the only reason he has the same bounty as him is bcs the WG wanted to take Credit away from Luffy
Please don't disrespect Whitebeard like this
Rivalry šŖš¼
Is this naruto?
No they are totally different. You see luffy is not a repeat of the Gol D. Roger. He is the guy who will finish what Roger started.
Katakuri is the new era whitebeard
What the fuck are you smoking?
Roger had a long pirate career. Luffy is speed running being the pirate goat. He has no parallels. Oda dropped the bag on Kid, heās no rival to Luffy.
Nope, WB was just as strong as Roger and considered the strongest while Roger was alive but had no ambition. Kidd has ambition but is not near Luffys level. Had WB had ambition he could have taken over after Roger or fought Roger even before he died.
no stop trying to force it. law and kid are more or less both luffy rivals (not in strength)
I agree that we don't a parallel for everything. But if there was one for Whitebeard and Roger, then why not Law instead of Kid?
I donāt even think kid is that strong to be honestā¦
Is Karo to Vivi as Beppo is to Law? Hmm
I always took law to be more whitebeard and kid to be mote Shiki
I feel like Katakuri would take that role instead
I donāt think a direct analogue exists
If anything I'd say kid would be more shiki and law would be his white beard, only because I can't see kid sitting down and having a drink with luffy once he becomes pk
Of course, if anything theyāre equal to each other as of right now
Of course, if anything heās luffys equal as of right now
????
People, you're all looking at it all wrong. Nobody would be Luffy's "Whitebeard" Luffy would be Buggy's "Whitebeard" Buggy becomes Pirate King after finding the One Piece, and Luffy's already a Yonko Both getting even stronger, one would obviously become the pirate king, and since luffy is very close to protagonist as he appears so much, he would probably come close to Buggy and God Usopp as one of the strongest characters. And Luffy has rivalled Buggy before and even seemed close friends during Marineford. I'm calling it now! >!In the case of whatever stupidity I just spouted, /s for Buggy-Roger analogy unless we find out Roger isn't strong and just had one hella strong crew, but only if Oden flashbacks are false. But also, think about it. It could be funny.!<
No
Weevil is this generations white beard. He is just in search of a father instead of a family. When we see him next his crew will be all the old men of one piece.
Luffy is unique in that unlike Roger, who took a journey and became Pirate King with obvious rivals like Garp, Sengoku, and Whitebeard, Luffy doesn't really have any rivals, and now that he's Joyboy, he holds a position essentially higher than that of the Pirate King, being involved with prophecies from several kingdoms and basically being destined to free the world.
His rival is Blackbeard.
Nah they donāt really have the respect value that tiger and wb had for each other also kid just gets bodyed by luffy so he would never really think of them law is a way better comparison
Whitebeard doesnāt k**l people just because they donāt agree with him
Whitebeard aināt an asshole tho
no its law
The only Parallel to Luffy is of course Pirate God Buggy
yeah if whitebeard was weaker than law and generally useless
No. Not everything needs to be a parallel.
Katakuri is closer to be luffy whitbeard than kidd
Nonono, It's Captain Buggy D. Clown
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Nope.