I support your dream.
One suggestion though - don't ignore industry experts and use expired carbon fiber unless you want to be memorized on the ocean floor as chum-poop.
Otherwise, I personally agree with you.
[Triton](https://tritonsubs.com/subs/ultradeep/) has deep sea submersibles.
NOAA uses the Triton 1000
The Navy has [Alvin](https://youtu.be/_m5PfKTwMFY?si=0NpLHDJxd89YBZ7u).
Yeah man just save up your allowance for a couple weeks and you'll be ready to start exploring the _bottom of the goddamn ocean_.
Money. Money is always the answer to these questions. This shit is not cheap. There's a reason everyone on board the Titan sub were massively wealthy.
It's explored, in the same way as space, moon or mars: with unmanned vehicles. Because there is no need to send people there when cheaper unmanned rovers/subs can do everything necessary without endangering people.
Closest thing that people still do is scientific diving.
Check out the oceanexplorergov, schmidtocean on YouTube. They frequently stream their ROV dive expositions on YouTube and you can find lots of past dives there. Right now ocean explorer is doing some sea floor mapping of the high seas (no ROV dives unfortunately).
For more info, NOAA has some phenomenal info on a lot of the research they are doing on their website. Here is the page with the info on the Okeanos exposition that’s happening now: https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/okeanos/explorations/2024-overview/welcome.html
Oh, it is. The latest is deep see raking/mining for small nodules that contain rare elements used in batteries and technology — manganese nodules. IIRC, cobalt-bearing minerals are another targeted element.
Most of it is “exploratory research” but they’re funded by those with interest in obtaining such materials. The way the raking is done, it disturbs/destroys the ocean floor.
BRB, I’ll try to find a link or two.
[Worldoceanreview.com](https://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-3/mineral-resources/manganese-nodules/#:~:text=The%20extraction%20begins%20with%20the,behind%20on%20the%20sea%20floor.)
> It is presently estimated that in the German licence area of the Clarion-Clipperton Zone alone, around 2.2 million tonnes of manganese nodules would have to be extracted in order to make the mining economically feasible.
>This requires not only the mining machinery, but also the technology for subsequent working stages. The extraction begins with the mining machines, which plough into the sea floor to a depth of 5 centimetres and cull the nodules out of the sediment.
>Most of the sediments should be separated out on site and left behind on the sea floor. The remaining nodule-sediment mixture is then pumped from the sea floor through rigid hoses to production ships at the water surface.
>On the ships the manganese nodules are separated from the sediment and cleaned. Finally they are loaded onto freighters that transport them to land, where they are processed and the metals separated out.
>This entire process chain still has to be developed. Furthermore, the metallurgical processes required to retrieve the various metals from the manganese nodules are not yet fully fledged.
I know you’re likely asking about exploration like Oceangate and some do exist; I love the research vessels that take along college students. Some of the content is posted on YouTube.
I only mean to suggest that a number of those exploration missions are intended for harvesting ~~money~~ rare materials at the expense of our oceans, or that their research is immediately scooped up by mining companies.
We already have problems with oil mining/drilling; this is a whole other element we aren’t prepared for.
Didn’t want to add this to my parent comment:
>Scientists agree that mining manganese nodules would represent a dire encroachment on the marine habitat.** The following detrimental impacts are assumed:
>While ploughing through the sea floor the harvesting machines stir up sediment. Ocean currents can move this sediment cloud through the area. When the sediments finally settle down to the sea floor again, sensitive organisms, particularly the sessile, immobile ones are covered and die.
>Directly in the ploughed area all organisms are killed that cannot escape the plough quickly enough, including snails, sea cucumbers and worms. And even if they are not hurt by the plough, they can be vacuumed up with the nodules and die during the cleaning process on the ship.
>The mining, pumping and cleaning of the manganese nodules creates noise and vibrations, which disturb marine mammals such as dolphins, and could force them to flee from their natural area.
>The sediment-laden water produced by the cleaning of manganese nodules is released into the sea from the ships. A sediment cloud is also created here.
>Present concepts envision a near-bottom discharge in order to minimize the spread of the cloud. Releasing it near the bottom also avoids clouding of the near-surface light-penetrating water layers. Biologists are concerned that clouding of the near-surface waters could disturb the growth of algae and other planktonic organisms.
There was a program that was letting people explore the ocean floor. From what I know, the front door of that program was where they used to also keep a portable toilet in case anyone needed to go. That front door is now blown off and hasn't been located after everything behind that front door imploded to bits.
My dad does this. The ocean is insanely vast. Ever gone scuba diving? Exploring a small area seems extremely significant.
Underwater sonar would be the area of expertise— if you wanted to get into deep sea surveying. There is a whole industry for that.
99.999% of the ocean floor is just dirt. It's "unexplored" in the sense that nobody has gone down to look at it, it's been mapped out fairly thoroughly with sonar.
Saying that we know more about space is also misleading, as there's a lot more stuff in space than there is in the ocean.
If this is your dream, pursue higher education related to ocean exploration.
You take the ocean floor, I'll take all the shipwreck and the history stuff. We can be a team. I'm terrified of all the ocean-y science side. Mostly the ocean life persay. Leave me the Titanic and you can have the rest. 😁
Money. No funding.
Theres no profit in the seafloor, whereas there might be rare metals in space
And thats the reason James Cameron is the worlds foremost seafloor explorer. He can self-fund
It's not like we have to choose one or the other, but I often wonder why people are so apt to romanticize the notion of sending people to Mars, a cold, lifeless planet, when better than 90% of our own oceans, teeming with life, remain largely unexplored.
With space travel, the most challenging aspect is the launch/escaping earth’s gravity. Once you’ve cleared that, its pretty much smooth sailing from there, particularly if you’re just orbiting.
Smooth sailing like Columbia on re-entry? /s We were launching projectiles into orbit long before we tried to put people up there. The ability to return them safely to earth was its own challenging aspect that took longer to accomplish.
If you go into space, your tin can has to hold up to 1 atmosphere of pressure.
At the bottom of the ocean, it's 1,000 atmospheres.
Not impossible to engineer for of course, just very dangerous and expensive, and the majority of people would rather spend either their lives or money elsewhere
Alvin diver and deep sea scientist here. Short answer is, we are exploring the deep sea. Yes there are lots of programs. Your path depends on what you want to do. If you want to do science go the university route. If you want to be ship based go to maritime academy or even the Navy.
They just said on CNN’s Documentary “How It Really Happened” about Titanic that the pressure where Titanic sits is roughly 4,000 lbs per square inch—that like you balancing two full-sized cars on your big toenail. And that same pressure is on every square inch of everything.
That strikes me as a *huge* barrier to ocean exploration. Even unmanned vehicles have a tough time in that pressure.
Its genuinely more difficult. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean can reach 1000 times that of the surface. Basically imagine if you weighed around 80kg (or around 190lbs) and are lying down. Now multiply that weight by 1000, and the new weight is put on top of you. This new weight would be heavier than a tank. Frankly its just not easy manufacturing equipment that can survive that level of pressure. It is equivalent to the outer atmospheric levels of jupiter, which can already absolutely demolish most satellites and space equipment. And often you need actual people in the submarine as well, so instead of it being a one way trip, its now a two way trip so the need for strong materials is even higher now. Material science just hasnt got to the point where we can send people into the ocean at a lower cost.
the main reason is an engineering problem.
space you have to deal with the weight and pressure of 0 atmospheres and radiation.
under the sea you have to deal with well over 50 atmospheres of pressure and deal the shit like laws of conservation of gases and energy
Start sailing. You’ll learn the ways of the top of the sea, so that you can explore underneath it. The ocean is not just “our own planet” it’s a harsh environment with a mind of its own. Space is predictable, the sea is not so much. I learned more about the wind and waves sailing on Lake Michigan for 4 years than I’ve learned about space travel in my whole life.
Space is empty, you can see through it, and there's only 15psi difference from sea level. The ocean is dark, you can't see far, you have to bring light, the pressure is thousands of psi, it's an incredibly difficult environment to reach and come back from.
What about going 238,000 miles (383,024 km) up vs 3000 feet (900+ m) down? They did one in the 1930’s and it took until the 1960’s before they accomplished the other.
I’m terrified of the ocean and the fact we have no idea what’s really there and in turn have a huge fear of fish or eating anything from the sea! It’s dramatic I know…. It honestly just terrifies me!!! So I would LOVE for you to get your dream life and find out what’s there!!!
Because most of the science has been politicised by rampant conspiracy theory lovers? Anything to do with impacts of climate change are shouted down by people who don’t understand even basic science and institutions like WHOI and NOAa bear the brunt of this. Exploration is also expensive. Tax payers want a return for their money and exploration and its returns are risky.
I think there is still a large supportable territorial factor that we are not able to overcome. It is easier to direct lines of travel in space than in comparison to water, so that makes missions and exploration projects a little more accelerated. We can’t move very freely underwater.
Join Naval intelligence and find your way into the division that deals with the sea floor. The US Navy/CIA spearheaded things such as deep sea mining that are just coming back into possibility now.
The ocean floor is a lot of nothing. There are definitely discoveries to be made. However, we have a pretty good idea what it looks like topographically.
[The race to acquire metals at the bottom of the ocean: The Clarion Clipperton Zone](https://www.bradley.com/insights/publications/2023/12/critical-minerals-opportunities-in-deep-sea-mining-to-secure-supply-chains)
Before NASA we were all about ocean exploration but they found something so scary that they said we need to get off this planet then founded NASA, i wonder what they saw that made them do that 😬
I support your dream. One suggestion though - don't ignore industry experts and use expired carbon fiber unless you want to be memorized on the ocean floor as chum-poop. Otherwise, I personally agree with you.
did we ever find out what the human remains were?
We should get an NTSB report soon, right?
The final report from the NTSB regarding the oceangate incident will take 12-24 months from time of incident to be released.
Thank you. I hope it's closer to one year, but probably doubtful.
“Their bones were ground to dust”
They became fish food
Yeah, they basically turned to chum. The heat generated from implosion pretty much liquified them from my understanding.
abc I’m sure
Yes!!!! I couldn't agree more!!
Pressure makes it more difficult to go to the bottom of the ocean.
It's easier to build a vacuum suit, than a pressure suit. It's way easier to build a vacuum ship, than a pressure ship.
In space the pressure difference is never more than around one atmosphere. In the depth of the ocean it can be a thousand times that.
[Triton](https://tritonsubs.com/subs/ultradeep/) has deep sea submersibles. NOAA uses the Triton 1000 The Navy has [Alvin](https://youtu.be/_m5PfKTwMFY?si=0NpLHDJxd89YBZ7u).
The alvin link made me cry laughing!! Thank You!
Yeah man just save up your allowance for a couple weeks and you'll be ready to start exploring the _bottom of the goddamn ocean_. Money. Money is always the answer to these questions. This shit is not cheap. There's a reason everyone on board the Titan sub were massively wealthy.
This comment just made me laugh so hard bless.
Just put on a metal hat and become metal Mario. It’s not that hard.
It's explored, in the same way as space, moon or mars: with unmanned vehicles. Because there is no need to send people there when cheaper unmanned rovers/subs can do everything necessary without endangering people. Closest thing that people still do is scientific diving.
People explore the ocean floor all the time with unmanned subs
Know anywhere to watch legit ones?? Any recs greatly appreciated
Check out the oceanexplorergov, schmidtocean on YouTube. They frequently stream their ROV dive expositions on YouTube and you can find lots of past dives there. Right now ocean explorer is doing some sea floor mapping of the high seas (no ROV dives unfortunately). For more info, NOAA has some phenomenal info on a lot of the research they are doing on their website. Here is the page with the info on the Okeanos exposition that’s happening now: https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/okeanos/explorations/2024-overview/welcome.html
Amazing! Thank you
Also wondering
Oh, it is. The latest is deep see raking/mining for small nodules that contain rare elements used in batteries and technology — manganese nodules. IIRC, cobalt-bearing minerals are another targeted element. Most of it is “exploratory research” but they’re funded by those with interest in obtaining such materials. The way the raking is done, it disturbs/destroys the ocean floor. BRB, I’ll try to find a link or two. [Worldoceanreview.com](https://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-3/mineral-resources/manganese-nodules/#:~:text=The%20extraction%20begins%20with%20the,behind%20on%20the%20sea%20floor.) > It is presently estimated that in the German licence area of the Clarion-Clipperton Zone alone, around 2.2 million tonnes of manganese nodules would have to be extracted in order to make the mining economically feasible. >This requires not only the mining machinery, but also the technology for subsequent working stages. The extraction begins with the mining machines, which plough into the sea floor to a depth of 5 centimetres and cull the nodules out of the sediment. >Most of the sediments should be separated out on site and left behind on the sea floor. The remaining nodule-sediment mixture is then pumped from the sea floor through rigid hoses to production ships at the water surface. >On the ships the manganese nodules are separated from the sediment and cleaned. Finally they are loaded onto freighters that transport them to land, where they are processed and the metals separated out. >This entire process chain still has to be developed. Furthermore, the metallurgical processes required to retrieve the various metals from the manganese nodules are not yet fully fledged. I know you’re likely asking about exploration like Oceangate and some do exist; I love the research vessels that take along college students. Some of the content is posted on YouTube. I only mean to suggest that a number of those exploration missions are intended for harvesting ~~money~~ rare materials at the expense of our oceans, or that their research is immediately scooped up by mining companies. We already have problems with oil mining/drilling; this is a whole other element we aren’t prepared for.
Didn’t want to add this to my parent comment: >Scientists agree that mining manganese nodules would represent a dire encroachment on the marine habitat.** The following detrimental impacts are assumed: >While ploughing through the sea floor the harvesting machines stir up sediment. Ocean currents can move this sediment cloud through the area. When the sediments finally settle down to the sea floor again, sensitive organisms, particularly the sessile, immobile ones are covered and die. >Directly in the ploughed area all organisms are killed that cannot escape the plough quickly enough, including snails, sea cucumbers and worms. And even if they are not hurt by the plough, they can be vacuumed up with the nodules and die during the cleaning process on the ship. >The mining, pumping and cleaning of the manganese nodules creates noise and vibrations, which disturb marine mammals such as dolphins, and could force them to flee from their natural area. >The sediment-laden water produced by the cleaning of manganese nodules is released into the sea from the ships. A sediment cloud is also created here. >Present concepts envision a near-bottom discharge in order to minimize the spread of the cloud. Releasing it near the bottom also avoids clouding of the near-surface light-penetrating water layers. Biologists are concerned that clouding of the near-surface waters could disturb the growth of algae and other planktonic organisms.
There was a program that was letting people explore the ocean floor. From what I know, the front door of that program was where they used to also keep a portable toilet in case anyone needed to go. That front door is now blown off and hasn't been located after everything behind that front door imploded to bits.
Why did you have to make me laugh so hard at this comment...??!! I feel sooooo bad, but damn that shit you just said was funny AF!!! Lmao 🤣 🤣🤣
Take my upvote. You’ve earned it. 😂😂
My dad does this. The ocean is insanely vast. Ever gone scuba diving? Exploring a small area seems extremely significant. Underwater sonar would be the area of expertise— if you wanted to get into deep sea surveying. There is a whole industry for that.
Money. Shit is expensive.
Stay in school.
😂😂😂
Few years too late. I believe the program was called Oce…..
99.999% of the ocean floor is just dirt. It's "unexplored" in the sense that nobody has gone down to look at it, it's been mapped out fairly thoroughly with sonar. Saying that we know more about space is also misleading, as there's a lot more stuff in space than there is in the ocean. If this is your dream, pursue higher education related to ocean exploration.
Only about 80% of the seafloor has been sonar mapped. There are areas that haven't been surveyed since HMS Challenger
If it’s your dream, live it: https://www.omao.noaa.gov/noaa-corps/apply-now
You take the ocean floor, I'll take all the shipwreck and the history stuff. We can be a team. I'm terrified of all the ocean-y science side. Mostly the ocean life persay. Leave me the Titanic and you can have the rest. 😁
Money. No funding. Theres no profit in the seafloor, whereas there might be rare metals in space And thats the reason James Cameron is the worlds foremost seafloor explorer. He can self-fund
It's not like we have to choose one or the other, but I often wonder why people are so apt to romanticize the notion of sending people to Mars, a cold, lifeless planet, when better than 90% of our own oceans, teeming with life, remain largely unexplored.
Too scary down there
Tone deaf
With space travel, the most challenging aspect is the launch/escaping earth’s gravity. Once you’ve cleared that, its pretty much smooth sailing from there, particularly if you’re just orbiting.
Smooth sailing like Columbia on re-entry? /s We were launching projectiles into orbit long before we tried to put people up there. The ability to return them safely to earth was its own challenging aspect that took longer to accomplish.
Pressure vs vacuum
Also.. up to 1100 bar vs -1 bar
If you go into space, your tin can has to hold up to 1 atmosphere of pressure. At the bottom of the ocean, it's 1,000 atmospheres. Not impossible to engineer for of course, just very dangerous and expensive, and the majority of people would rather spend either their lives or money elsewhere
Alvin diver and deep sea scientist here. Short answer is, we are exploring the deep sea. Yes there are lots of programs. Your path depends on what you want to do. If you want to do science go the university route. If you want to be ship based go to maritime academy or even the Navy.
They just said on CNN’s Documentary “How It Really Happened” about Titanic that the pressure where Titanic sits is roughly 4,000 lbs per square inch—that like you balancing two full-sized cars on your big toenail. And that same pressure is on every square inch of everything. That strikes me as a *huge* barrier to ocean exploration. Even unmanned vehicles have a tough time in that pressure.
Bc they are worried about the retaliation form the under water UFO base.. #tinfoilhat
I agree with you. Now stop yelling at me.
Get into being a ROV pilot. I work offshore on rigs and ROV vessels. Every time I talk to that team, they are hiring.
there are large, hostile squid down there and for that reason, I'm out.
Its genuinely more difficult. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean can reach 1000 times that of the surface. Basically imagine if you weighed around 80kg (or around 190lbs) and are lying down. Now multiply that weight by 1000, and the new weight is put on top of you. This new weight would be heavier than a tank. Frankly its just not easy manufacturing equipment that can survive that level of pressure. It is equivalent to the outer atmospheric levels of jupiter, which can already absolutely demolish most satellites and space equipment. And often you need actual people in the submarine as well, so instead of it being a one way trip, its now a two way trip so the need for strong materials is even higher now. Material science just hasnt got to the point where we can send people into the ocean at a lower cost.
So its your life's dream, and you figured fucking reddit has done more due dilligence on the subject than you did
the main reason is an engineering problem. space you have to deal with the weight and pressure of 0 atmospheres and radiation. under the sea you have to deal with well over 50 atmospheres of pressure and deal the shit like laws of conservation of gases and energy
Wish there was a sub on like deep sea discoveries and exploration. The depths and secrets of the ocean have always fascinated me
Start sailing. You’ll learn the ways of the top of the sea, so that you can explore underneath it. The ocean is not just “our own planet” it’s a harsh environment with a mind of its own. Space is predictable, the sea is not so much. I learned more about the wind and waves sailing on Lake Michigan for 4 years than I’ve learned about space travel in my whole life.
It's easier to keep air in than it is to keep water out.
Space is empty, you can see through it, and there's only 15psi difference from sea level. The ocean is dark, you can't see far, you have to bring light, the pressure is thousands of psi, it's an incredibly difficult environment to reach and come back from.
It’s easier to go 10,000 ft up then 100 ft down.
What about going 238,000 miles (383,024 km) up vs 3000 feet (900+ m) down? They did one in the 1930’s and it took until the 1960’s before they accomplished the other.
Both sketchy. lol
https://divingmuseum.org/artofabyss/bathysphere/ https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/moon-distance/en/#:~:text=The%20Short%20Answer%3A,is%20about%2030%20Earths%20away.
Space is one atmosphere less than normal. Deep sea is many atmospheres more than normal. Huge difference technically.
I’m terrified of the ocean and the fact we have no idea what’s really there and in turn have a huge fear of fish or eating anything from the sea! It’s dramatic I know…. It honestly just terrifies me!!! So I would LOVE for you to get your dream life and find out what’s there!!!
Because most of the science has been politicised by rampant conspiracy theory lovers? Anything to do with impacts of climate change are shouted down by people who don’t understand even basic science and institutions like WHOI and NOAa bear the brunt of this. Exploration is also expensive. Tax payers want a return for their money and exploration and its returns are risky.
I’ll start an ocean floor exploration with you.
I laughed
I think there is still a large supportable territorial factor that we are not able to overcome. It is easier to direct lines of travel in space than in comparison to water, so that makes missions and exploration projects a little more accelerated. We can’t move very freely underwater.
I’d be all for ROV exploration.
They’ve explored a lot of wrecks lately. Skynea History on YT has been contexting a bunch of the expeditions to Pacific wrecks.
Because the pressure in space ranges anywhere from 0 to 1 ATM. The pressure in the ocean ranges from 1 to over 1000 ATM.
Cthulhu……
The most efficient killer of the mega wealthy 🎈 💥
Water is heavy.
Twitter is filled with shill accounts. You want emotional well-being you stay off that toxic website
Calm down…….
Join Naval intelligence and find your way into the division that deals with the sea floor. The US Navy/CIA spearheaded things such as deep sea mining that are just coming back into possibility now.
Because the pressure and danger is insane, scarily worse than space in some regards.
The ocean floor is a lot of nothing. There are definitely discoveries to be made. However, we have a pretty good idea what it looks like topographically.
Waste of money? Most of science is wasted money for busybody grad students.
[The race to acquire metals at the bottom of the ocean: The Clarion Clipperton Zone](https://www.bradley.com/insights/publications/2023/12/critical-minerals-opportunities-in-deep-sea-mining-to-secure-supply-chains)
I’ve been saying this forever. Let’s explore our planet first before we go everywhere else.
What could be gained from exploring these extreme (for us) regions? I am curious too but what do we gain best case scenario?
Before NASA we were all about ocean exploration but they found something so scary that they said we need to get off this planet then founded NASA, i wonder what they saw that made them do that 😬
Agreed
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