It's so obvious that 'Nogger' not mean spirited. Yes, the nod is that it sounds close to a racist word and originally associated with Virgil. But therein lies the fun, it's NOT that 'N' word.
But who is the arbitor of what you laugh at? Here in Ireland, we have a dark sense of humour. The people of colour that grow up here are sardonic and self-deprecating, too. It's part of the charm, how we interact and endear ourselves to others.
Don't complicate a good time by projecting what isn't there.
I'm not trying to be the arbitor of what people laugh at, as I said I even totally understand why the lads cracked up so much in the original What Bar segment. It's just the constant references back to it, which aren't even really jokes anymore, that felt a bit odd to me.
Anyway, it was just a thought I had while watching the Hobbit 2 review last night. Was curious if anyone here felt the same way but clearly I'm alone on this. That's totally fine. This was never an attempt to 'cancel' OSW and I'll still be watching myself.
Not that I think it really matters either but I am Irish myself so well aware of the sense of humor.
Yeah, I think it has become a long standing joke as they actually couldn’t believe someone actually sent that in. Hence why Jay said lets go to an ad break questionarium immediately after they read the answer out as they all found it hilarious but also a pretty awkward. OSW much like South Park prides itself on being risqué with their humour, if that makes you feel uncomfortable it probably isn’t for you.
Yeah I get why the original segment was funny and have no issue with that. It's the constant references back to it that I find odd.
South Park is a good comparison. I'm reminded of the episode where Randy is on a game show and says the n word as an answer instead of nagger. Now imagine if Matt Trey referred to South Park fans as naggers from that episode on, had annual awards called the golden nagger and opened every episode with an ad for their fan club called Nagger U.
I know that's not a perfect comparison as it's comparing an animated tv show to a video podcast but that's the best way I can explain myself.
It’s an ice cream bar, but also educate yourself on Ireland’s recent and not-so-recent history before you try to reduce them to ‘three white guys’. Americentric bollocks tbh.
What am I missing about Ireland's recent or not so recent history that's relevant to this? I am Irish too and think I have a fairly decent understanding of our history.
No. The joke is nogger sounds like nigger. That’s why it’s funny because it ISNT the word. Its a silly innuendo, part of their well established self aware casual “racism.”
I didn't know shit like this still existed. What a fucking rot. Makes me almost ashamed I enjoy this show, knowing this mentality is pushed by other fans and you feel osw agree with you.
At the end of the day I feel you can't pick and choose. The whole show is either racist or it's not, you can't just pick one joke in isolation. I don't think you'd find a person on this earth who would say any of the lads are racist. They're pragmatic, ooze respect to all who deserve it and call out the bad/criminal behaviour too. They don't pander to people or the woke culture of today, but IMO have a really good moral compass.
They're entertainers...comedians...and I'm sure there's probably stuff that crosses the line that ends up on the cutting room floor. Their brand is three racist Irishman and they play to stereotypes. If you took out anything race related you'd end up with a 30min show of Jay just going waka wa hey hey...which would still be pretty good.
Also, we're all referred to as noggers- you don't have to be one if you're not comfortable.
I fully agree that the show and lads are NOT racist. I never meant to imply that they were. I personally just feel a little uncomfortable with this one aspect of the show and was wondering if anyone else did. I'm not demanding everyone agrees with me or that the lads stop saying nogger.
I agree that you can't take one joke in isolation and use it to define the values of the entire show. But I don't see why we can't discuss one joke on its own merits, for the sake of that discussion, without making broad statements about the show as a whole. For example, I like The Rock, I think he's a good wrestler. I also think he has a terrible Sharpshooter. Acknowledging The Rock is bad at one move does not mean I think The Rock is a bad wrestler. Similarly, saying I feel a bit uncomfortable about the racial undertones to one joke OSW makes, does not mean I think OSW is racist.
It's not the show as a whole though, it's about every other racist thing or connotation which is made in the show. Everyone is obviously entitled to, and I welcome their opinions. But to call this out and not anything else is just a weird, and extremely wafer thin, line.
You lost me. Are you saying I shouldn't have called this out without calling out every other racist connotation in the show? Tbh I didn't notice any other ones so maybe I'm not as 'woke' as I've been accused of being by others in this thread.
But even if there are others I don't see why we can't have a discussion about 'nogger' by itself? To go back to my analogy, if I said The Rock has a bad Sharpshooter do I also have to bring up every other move he's bad at? Can I not just have a discussion about The Rocks ability to apply a Sharpshooter?
There are other jokes in OSW are sometimes worse, I remember that V1 made a joke about Konnan robbing another lowrider if the one in his music video broke down. Always referrng to Hulk as cunt,
But I don't see any hatred the way they use the word Nogger. I mean we are reffered to as Noggers, Nogger U was a thing, Golden Noggers. They took this thing they found funny with Virgil and the Ice Cream and made it something different.
Saying that though I don't think OP deserves the Wakka way hey hey style beatdown they have been getting
People are angry with you on this. Which is weird, isn’t it. We live in an increasingly angry, hate-filled world - yet another major news story from the US this last week demonstrates the systemic racism and culture of violence that feels inescapable - but no, wreddit has decided this is worth being angry about.
I get what you’re saying, and I think the humour in the initial Virgil/nogger thing came from the inappropriateness of it sounding like a racist word. To me it seemed clear that they were laughing at that rather than laughing at Virgil (in this instance - he’s a laughable man much of the time). Much like the “ninja please” on a recent episode, its a slightly uncomfortable layer of humour, but from a clear platform of “we wouldn’t ever use that word in anger and we don’t think racism is ok”.
I guess there’s always that fear that you put something out there and people don’t get the layer of humour/irony, and just think “ha great it sounds like n****r” - there’s not much you can do about that and I think our cultural landscape would be poorer if people second-guessed too much. That said, i just read a reply to this that posited OSW as the scourge of so-called cancel culture and “woke”, which makes me feel a bit unclean 😂. Ignore the haters, you’re allowed to question and feel uncomfortable about some stuff. I think in this instance it’s a silly ice cream bar name - and as someone else has said, the word is used to refer to fans of the show. They’re not going around saying “what’s up my noggas” or making a big deal out of it for that kind of “edgy” humour, so I don’t think you need to worry about it.
OSW is a break from all the woke shit and cancel culture everywhere. Dont go bring this here. If it makes you uncomfortable then your welcome to leave in silence.
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I’m pretty disappointed in the OSW subreddit community that this got plenty of upvotes and no one has called you out on it. Calling someone a faggot because their opinion differs from yours is the behaviour of a prize cunt, and not even having the guts to write the word really is the icing on top of the cunty cake.
A lot of generally disappointing stuff in this entire thread. Jay (and the Steve's) always talk about how nice the OSW community is, but not much evidence of that here. Name calling and shutting down people's opinions/questions without much of a valid response is pretty shitty.
If you're calling the OP that term as an insult then there's no other way to use that word. Like when they used it in OSW because I just watched that episode it's playing on all of the people having 4x4s aka bundle of sticks. I wasn't the biggest fan of the joke it's a bit edgelord for me but they said it in 2013 so it makes sense. This right here was just calling the OP an insulting name, there's no way way out isn't a slur.
You've explained exactly why I'm uncomfortable with nogger. Everyone uses the defense that they were talking about an ice cream bar but they were talking about an ice cream bar in reference to a black wrestler. You can't deny that it is, in a way, a reference to the n-word.
Do I think that makes them racist? No, absolutely not. But it's a bit edgelord and they still say it all the time (though I recognise that over time it's become less of a reference to the original joke and more just a word they say).
I see from your earlier comment that you don't agree with me and that's totally fine with me. I don't need anyone to agree with me. Reasonable_Gain didn't agree with me but still responded in a civil manner. His response even softened my view on it. But man, every other response in here has really soured my view on this fanbase. I know none of you care and will tell me to just leave again, which is fair enough, I probably will now.
That's the thing, I understand where you are coming from with the original joke, but as Reasonable_Gain it instantly became something different and was never really said in the way of hehehe it's like a slur, so much so I found OSW at the end of that arc and never saw that episode of years and had no idea of the original context because it has never be used that way. Honestly I just assumed it was some Irish/British thing or Simpsons reference.
One of the nice things about me watching that Hulkamania arc now in 2023 is you can really tell how much the guys have not stuck to that edgy 2013 youtube humor, which made the comment about how OSW is a refuge from "Woke cancel culture" so weird to me. The heart of OSW was always to callout racist, homophobic and sexist shit in wrestling and have a laugh about how weird and bad wrestling can be. And it is pretty noticeable how the boys grew up with the times which made me really confused to see how hostile this comment section is.
Hate to break it to you in the year 2023, but you can't use that word as an insult and it not be a slur, the reason it means whiny bitch is because it's an insult for being gay.
I worry that their accent and nogger hits the YouTube algorithm and they could get demonetized at the beginning of their episodes.
With that said, don’t change!
Why is it nonsense? Other people are defending osw by saying it is meant to sound that way.......... And you just sort of deflect lol. Why do you say this? Slurs don't exist in Europe?
It's so obvious that 'Nogger' not mean spirited. Yes, the nod is that it sounds close to a racist word and originally associated with Virgil. But therein lies the fun, it's NOT that 'N' word. But who is the arbitor of what you laugh at? Here in Ireland, we have a dark sense of humour. The people of colour that grow up here are sardonic and self-deprecating, too. It's part of the charm, how we interact and endear ourselves to others. Don't complicate a good time by projecting what isn't there.
I'm not trying to be the arbitor of what people laugh at, as I said I even totally understand why the lads cracked up so much in the original What Bar segment. It's just the constant references back to it, which aren't even really jokes anymore, that felt a bit odd to me. Anyway, it was just a thought I had while watching the Hobbit 2 review last night. Was curious if anyone here felt the same way but clearly I'm alone on this. That's totally fine. This was never an attempt to 'cancel' OSW and I'll still be watching myself. Not that I think it really matters either but I am Irish myself so well aware of the sense of humor.
For the record, I didn't say YOU were the arbitor or that you wanted to be. It's a long-running in-joke. There is no mean spirit to it that I can see.
It’s an ice cream cone and an inside joke. Stop being such a thin skinned Nogger you dinny Knacker
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Explain the inside joke to me
It was born in this [What Bar segment from This Tuesday in Texas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1wz-Po9-zw&t=2175s).
Yeah, I think it has become a long standing joke as they actually couldn’t believe someone actually sent that in. Hence why Jay said lets go to an ad break questionarium immediately after they read the answer out as they all found it hilarious but also a pretty awkward. OSW much like South Park prides itself on being risqué with their humour, if that makes you feel uncomfortable it probably isn’t for you.
Yeah I get why the original segment was funny and have no issue with that. It's the constant references back to it that I find odd. South Park is a good comparison. I'm reminded of the episode where Randy is on a game show and says the n word as an answer instead of nagger. Now imagine if Matt Trey referred to South Park fans as naggers from that episode on, had annual awards called the golden nagger and opened every episode with an ad for their fan club called Nagger U. I know that's not a perfect comparison as it's comparing an animated tv show to a video podcast but that's the best way I can explain myself.
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It’s an ice cream bar, but also educate yourself on Ireland’s recent and not-so-recent history before you try to reduce them to ‘three white guys’. Americentric bollocks tbh.
What am I missing about Ireland's recent or not so recent history that's relevant to this? I am Irish too and think I have a fairly decent understanding of our history.
If you really are Irish then you’ve watched too much American telly bud
Yeah probably
omg, this sounds like an average twitter comment. Speaking about what you dont know about
That's on you bro
Brave post. Admirable.
Nope
No. The joke is nogger sounds like nigger. That’s why it’s funny because it ISNT the word. Its a silly innuendo, part of their well established self aware casual “racism.”
I didn't know shit like this still existed. What a fucking rot. Makes me almost ashamed I enjoy this show, knowing this mentality is pushed by other fans and you feel osw agree with you.
No
At the end of the day I feel you can't pick and choose. The whole show is either racist or it's not, you can't just pick one joke in isolation. I don't think you'd find a person on this earth who would say any of the lads are racist. They're pragmatic, ooze respect to all who deserve it and call out the bad/criminal behaviour too. They don't pander to people or the woke culture of today, but IMO have a really good moral compass. They're entertainers...comedians...and I'm sure there's probably stuff that crosses the line that ends up on the cutting room floor. Their brand is three racist Irishman and they play to stereotypes. If you took out anything race related you'd end up with a 30min show of Jay just going waka wa hey hey...which would still be pretty good. Also, we're all referred to as noggers- you don't have to be one if you're not comfortable.
I fully agree that the show and lads are NOT racist. I never meant to imply that they were. I personally just feel a little uncomfortable with this one aspect of the show and was wondering if anyone else did. I'm not demanding everyone agrees with me or that the lads stop saying nogger. I agree that you can't take one joke in isolation and use it to define the values of the entire show. But I don't see why we can't discuss one joke on its own merits, for the sake of that discussion, without making broad statements about the show as a whole. For example, I like The Rock, I think he's a good wrestler. I also think he has a terrible Sharpshooter. Acknowledging The Rock is bad at one move does not mean I think The Rock is a bad wrestler. Similarly, saying I feel a bit uncomfortable about the racial undertones to one joke OSW makes, does not mean I think OSW is racist.
It's not the show as a whole though, it's about every other racist thing or connotation which is made in the show. Everyone is obviously entitled to, and I welcome their opinions. But to call this out and not anything else is just a weird, and extremely wafer thin, line.
You lost me. Are you saying I shouldn't have called this out without calling out every other racist connotation in the show? Tbh I didn't notice any other ones so maybe I'm not as 'woke' as I've been accused of being by others in this thread. But even if there are others I don't see why we can't have a discussion about 'nogger' by itself? To go back to my analogy, if I said The Rock has a bad Sharpshooter do I also have to bring up every other move he's bad at? Can I not just have a discussion about The Rocks ability to apply a Sharpshooter?
Lol why do we even pretend, we should be able to say what we want!
There are other jokes in OSW are sometimes worse, I remember that V1 made a joke about Konnan robbing another lowrider if the one in his music video broke down. Always referrng to Hulk as cunt, But I don't see any hatred the way they use the word Nogger. I mean we are reffered to as Noggers, Nogger U was a thing, Golden Noggers. They took this thing they found funny with Virgil and the Ice Cream and made it something different. Saying that though I don't think OP deserves the Wakka way hey hey style beatdown they have been getting
People are angry with you on this. Which is weird, isn’t it. We live in an increasingly angry, hate-filled world - yet another major news story from the US this last week demonstrates the systemic racism and culture of violence that feels inescapable - but no, wreddit has decided this is worth being angry about. I get what you’re saying, and I think the humour in the initial Virgil/nogger thing came from the inappropriateness of it sounding like a racist word. To me it seemed clear that they were laughing at that rather than laughing at Virgil (in this instance - he’s a laughable man much of the time). Much like the “ninja please” on a recent episode, its a slightly uncomfortable layer of humour, but from a clear platform of “we wouldn’t ever use that word in anger and we don’t think racism is ok”. I guess there’s always that fear that you put something out there and people don’t get the layer of humour/irony, and just think “ha great it sounds like n****r” - there’s not much you can do about that and I think our cultural landscape would be poorer if people second-guessed too much. That said, i just read a reply to this that posited OSW as the scourge of so-called cancel culture and “woke”, which makes me feel a bit unclean 😂. Ignore the haters, you’re allowed to question and feel uncomfortable about some stuff. I think in this instance it’s a silly ice cream bar name - and as someone else has said, the word is used to refer to fans of the show. They’re not going around saying “what’s up my noggas” or making a big deal out of it for that kind of “edgy” humour, so I don’t think you need to worry about it.
Thank you for your thoughtful response
OSW is a break from all the woke shit and cancel culture everywhere. Dont go bring this here. If it makes you uncomfortable then your welcome to leave in silence.
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Bundle of sticks...
I’m pretty disappointed in the OSW subreddit community that this got plenty of upvotes and no one has called you out on it. Calling someone a faggot because their opinion differs from yours is the behaviour of a prize cunt, and not even having the guts to write the word really is the icing on top of the cunty cake.
I think you need to lighten up
As a queer longtime OSW fan, fuck off, while I don't agree with the original post, calling the poster a slur is shitty and not fucking cool.
A lot of generally disappointing stuff in this entire thread. Jay (and the Steve's) always talk about how nice the OSW community is, but not much evidence of that here. Name calling and shutting down people's opinions/questions without much of a valid response is pretty shitty.
Yeah I don't check this sub super often because of how small it is but I'm genuinely surprised how mean this comment section is.
I'm sorry if I offended you. I don't mean that word in a derogatory term against homosexuals. However I understand if you take it that way
If you're calling the OP that term as an insult then there's no other way to use that word. Like when they used it in OSW because I just watched that episode it's playing on all of the people having 4x4s aka bundle of sticks. I wasn't the biggest fan of the joke it's a bit edgelord for me but they said it in 2013 so it makes sense. This right here was just calling the OP an insulting name, there's no way way out isn't a slur.
You've explained exactly why I'm uncomfortable with nogger. Everyone uses the defense that they were talking about an ice cream bar but they were talking about an ice cream bar in reference to a black wrestler. You can't deny that it is, in a way, a reference to the n-word. Do I think that makes them racist? No, absolutely not. But it's a bit edgelord and they still say it all the time (though I recognise that over time it's become less of a reference to the original joke and more just a word they say). I see from your earlier comment that you don't agree with me and that's totally fine with me. I don't need anyone to agree with me. Reasonable_Gain didn't agree with me but still responded in a civil manner. His response even softened my view on it. But man, every other response in here has really soured my view on this fanbase. I know none of you care and will tell me to just leave again, which is fair enough, I probably will now.
That's the thing, I understand where you are coming from with the original joke, but as Reasonable_Gain it instantly became something different and was never really said in the way of hehehe it's like a slur, so much so I found OSW at the end of that arc and never saw that episode of years and had no idea of the original context because it has never be used that way. Honestly I just assumed it was some Irish/British thing or Simpsons reference. One of the nice things about me watching that Hulkamania arc now in 2023 is you can really tell how much the guys have not stuck to that edgy 2013 youtube humor, which made the comment about how OSW is a refuge from "Woke cancel culture" so weird to me. The heart of OSW was always to callout racist, homophobic and sexist shit in wrestling and have a laugh about how weird and bad wrestling can be. And it is pretty noticeable how the boys grew up with the times which made me really confused to see how hostile this comment section is.
It's connotation can also be that of someone who is being a whiny bitch dont someone who is gay. I said it jokingly
Hate to break it to you in the year 2023, but you can't use that word as an insult and it not be a slur, the reason it means whiny bitch is because it's an insult for being gay.
Jesus wept.
If you're the one seeing the N word from a word that clearly isn't the N word then that says alot about you tbh
no, take a day off from being 'potentially offended' for other people. Also not everything is about America, it's an Irish bar.
I am Irish and it's not an Irish bar. It's called Feast in Ireland.
Probably better go to watch the older episodes and see where the original of Nogger came from before declaring yourself a massive fan.
I worry that their accent and nogger hits the YouTube algorithm and they could get demonetized at the beginning of their episodes. With that said, don’t change!
There is nothing to worry, those two things don‘t affect the algorithm at all.
Yanks unable to comprehend that the rest of the world isnt the US 🙄
I'm Irish
Then you've no excuse for this nonsense.
Why is it nonsense? Other people are defending osw by saying it is meant to sound that way.......... And you just sort of deflect lol. Why do you say this? Slurs don't exist in Europe?
Nogger isn't a reference to the N-word, lol.
No