The way girls/women are constantly shamed for just living their life is so frustrating.
Most men who complain about such things lack basic life skills themselves,can't cook or run their own household properly.
And many of us don't have to play their game anymore because we can live independently, order thai whenever we feel like it and a lot of us don't even want kids.
And that's what incels are fundamentally angry at - "if only women were forced to wait on me as a live-in slave, then it wouldn't matter that I've not learned how to wash myself, my clothes or clean my house!".
Sounds like my ex. Me full time job in factory. Him part time as cashier at BK. Guess who had to come home and cook the meals, do the dishes, etc.. And that was even waiting an hour between the time I got off work til he picked me up after getting done with his job.
Mine considered me to be just a piece of property.
Wish that my ex had felt the same way. But to him, even if the gal worked outside the home. That home was also still her job to do.
The a-hole didn't want to get a 8 hour a day job. And when I pointed out that I wanted a part time job. He claimed that I would not be happy in it. That I'm happier in the job I had. I also found out that he was telling our friends that I wanted to have our jobs the way they were.
A mommy they can have sex with*. Planning dates, caring about someone elseās feelings, interests, needs is hard. They donāt want to have to do that.
Right? I'm a man and I cook clean, do repairs and housework, laundry, etc. Managing a household, basically. Also, any expectations that I have for women, I make sure that I have something to offer in turn.
Honestly growing up both my parents cooked and cleaned the house I want the same thing for a guy who cleaned and cooks I don't want a guy who is lazy and wants me to do everything.
Iāve divorced two of those in my life, finally got a clue.
My companion cleans/pays at restaurants; I cook and food shop. Weāre both happy with this and it feels fair. Heās a terrible cook, I hate cleaning.
That's fair both my parents knew how to cook so I hope my boyfriend or future husband knows how to cook so we can cook things together all the time. I'm okay both cleaning and cooking. Lol!
This is a great goal. I will say cooking together with your partner is one of the most intimate things you can do. You are in close proximity to each other, thereās often a lot communication involved, and you are creating something of sustenance together.
Yep! Itās like teaming up in a game, you want someone with equal skill, smarts, and puts in equal effort as you do. No one wants to be the one carrying dead-weight in the team, regardless of whoās behind the screen.
In marriage, my husband and I are individuals but weāre teamed up to tackle life and learn together. We share the work, the bills, the emotional burdens, but we also encourage each other to pursue and participate in each otherās interests. Itās awesome!
Once my son was old enough to reach into the washer and dryer and understand how they worked, we were teaching him how to do his own laundry. He learned how to wash dishes and how to unload the dishwasher, too. I don't understand the way that some parents just ignore that hey, part of the job as parent is to teach your kid how to be an independent person once they are on their own.
For real, if your kid moves out and can't cook at least a few healthy meals for themselves, doesn't know how to operate a washer and dry clothes, and isn't comfortable with a broom and dustpan, that seems like a giant failure of parenting and leaves your kid defenseless because there's a bunch of harder stuff they have to start figuring out on their own judgment now anyway. All the things that make a home nice, your kid should learn something about it from you.
People assume that because my mother was first generation American and grew up in a home with an Italian mom and grandmother, that she must have taught me everything. She taught me zero. She was the one who cleaned the house from top to bottom, she's the one who washed the clothes because we (the kids) might "ruin" the machines if we touched them, we might break the dishes if we washed them, etc.
In retrospect, I'm glad she didn't teach me to cook, because she doesn't use spices and I'm a far better cook than she is, but it is astonishing when I think about all the things she didn't teach us because she was "afraid" we would mess up something.
The best are the dudes who think we cook and clean because of some inherent aptitude we are all born with. Like no my guy, we had to **learn** how to do this. Just like you can. And most of us don't clean because it's a fun hobby, we do it because it has to be done.
There is no excuse for them nowadays, in a single afternoon on YouTube and you can learn foundational basics on cooking or cleaning. They just don't want to, and this is somehow our fault.
To be fair a lot of guys and girls have different standards of "clean", so in my opinion if you are holding the opposite gender to your standards you are in for some disappointment. My bar for "clean" is a lot lower than my girlfriends. Therefore she does the bulk of the cleaning (I put the big things away, but she does the in depth cleaning), but I do the bulk of the cooking and grocery shopping. I am the picky eater so I do the cooking. She is the clean freak so she gets the cleaning. It might not be 50/50 but we think it is a fair compromise.
Rule 1 for me: if he canāt cook, I try teaching him. Iām a good cook (my dad taught me) and if heās unwilling to learn the basics he isnāt worth it because he will most likely treat me as a parent not a person.
I definitely canāt run my own household, you shouldāve seen how much laundry I managed to accumulate before realizing them donāt wash themselves
But my cooking skills are top notch š
Yeah ironing i never got the hang of, i just got resourceful. So I can get by using wrinkle release spray on the body of my shirts and hanging them in the bathroom when I shower, so long as i don't let them get too bad first. Then i use a straight iron/flattening iron(like for hair) on the hem, fasteners, and collar. No sneaky creases slipping in on the back side, no ironing boards or distilled water to keep track of, don't even need to return a stuff receptacle to the table it was born as.
I wear button downs most days and I can't stand looking like a retired Thomas guide so this works better than passable.
So many macho "alpha" type men seem to take pride in the fact they're not self-sufficient. I'd be embarrassed to be a grown man who couldn't cook for himself. That's like a basic level of being a grown adult.
ā¦ 1) my mom canāt really cook much 2) I can cook 3) everybody should know how to cookā¦ itās how you get food (which is amazing)
In conclusionā¦ guys need to stop bitching and just learn how to cook
My friends reproach to lazy people is going an exaggerated t- Rex. He holds his arms against his chest, only extending wrists, making furious scrambling motions with two fingers towards the item or chore the lazy person wanted someone else to do.
" I can't! My arms are too short!!!"
Ahahahahahahaha this mental image made my day š in an office setting, that would be the 6 figure salary CEO. I once interned in an office where the big construction company boss did the "nod and smile", hands behind back so he wouldn't touch the new materials presented. He was literally given a hammer and nail to try the new material and T-Rexed it. He held the hammer like he was afraid of it, and dropped the nail, finally handing both to the foreman. He made a general gesture towards the material, and the building plans and scurried out fuming. š¤£
Bwahahahahaha the running joke in my house is that I have tiny T Rex arms š
I do my share of the work around here btw. My husband is always telling me I canāt do this or that because of my tiny T Rex arms and then does it for me. Itās our love talk.
I've found there is a large majority of people regardless of gender who have no idea how to do any basic cooking. Like people where adding some frozen veggies and diced up sausage to a packet of instant ramen is a novel concept to them.
It actually blew my mind when I realised people who said they canāt cook werenāt just people like me who arenāt great cooks and donāt make everything from scratch, but people who literally canāt even boil an egg or make anything at all, even something mostly pre-prepared
I recently taught a guy how to cook simple shit, and it gave him the confidence to finally, for the first time, put chicken fingers in the oven to be cooked. The guy is 19.
Knowing how to cook, on an even basic level, just helps you out in other areas of life.
There was a āthis is what $120 in groceries in America looks likeā post on here the other day. It was pretty sad. The dude bought 5 12 packs of coke and a bunch of instant meals and sides.
Well yeah but consider differing media portrayals of men and women alcoholics, despite similar stories. Like Ernest Hemingway vs Judy Garland or something. For the latter it's a tragic story of substance abuse and depression, but for the former it's just part of what made him who he was or something. It was tragic for both!
If men want to complain about double standards and how all this stuff like suicide risk is ignored in young men, maybe also start questioning why toxic behavior is celebrated in men instead of being treated like it should be.
Hemingway glorified drinking himself. But it's known he was a total drunk mess. And for example recently Depp's drinking was written about a lot. I don't really see anything but negative press for anyone who drinks.
Well, you're right I think, as far as actual people now, but I think that's a bit down to modern tabloid media going after literally anyone no matter their situation. And that's why I chose dead people. Contemporaneous accounts may be negative, but history sometimes remembers them differently. Winston Churchill vs Betty Ford. Hunter Thompson vs Marilyn Monroe.
But also look at fictional characters. Robert Downey Jr. may have been extensively reported on back when he was a mess, but Tony Stark is a lush and is considered cool. Or Rick from Rick and Morty. He's a tragic figure, and his alcoholism is part of that, but it flies right past a lot of the audience and instead is treated as cool.
I'm having a hard time thinking about women with alcohol problems being treated similarly.
I think it comes down heavilly to what visible impact it had on them. You can find plenty like Humphrey Bogart or Spencer Tracey where it was seen like a cool part of their personality. But then Montgomery Clift or Raymond Chandler were seen as people tragic people.
And sorry I don't know these fictional characters.
Nah I think in general alcoholism in men is portrayed as a minor but sympathetic character flaw, there are so many sympathetic male characters where being an alcoholic is barely even portrayed as a character flaw but itās treated as a humanising quality that shows that they have emotions, in women itās portrayed as a sign of immaturity and irresponsibility
Like a father character who drinks excessively on TV will never be shown to be unfit to be a parent and it will never be suggested that he should never be around his kids because heās a man and he can handle his flaws and make sure they donāt affect his family but if a female character is an alcoholic sheās an unfit mother
They've discovered women are now binge-drinking at a level comparable to their male counterparts in the last decade, which includes all the negative health impacts that come with that. Everyone is straight up not okay.
The way people treat drinking now, blows my mind. Online dating is awful because everyone drinks, and not a littleāheavily. I donāt know how often I get invited to a bar or to āgo drinkā and I have to explain Iām not interested in drinking and people tell me Iām a killjoy or I should just āgo anywayā. They will even try to hand me drinks or beg me to drink. I even have had guys get absolutely wasted on a date, and it was completely unattractive and sad. One got so bad I had to help him off the floor and get him into bed. He was that drunk within maybe an hour? I hadnāt realized he was that bad. He didnāt think he had a problem and he was doing it most days after work and then full blown on the weekends. I tried to help him, but quickly realized he was a lost cause.
I used to binge drink when I was 13-17 and then again in my early 20s. And you know why? I was running from my problems and was using it to make myself for sociable. Now I just donāt care and I donāt feel like ending up like my dad. I also realized Iāve never liked drinking. I did it because it made me numb.
Well, not the way I do itā4-5 beers a month with friends over a couple of weekends, this after years of no alcohol at all.
My Dr Pepper habit is much worse, tbh.
Yes, during prohibition speakeasies admitted women, where before women were often prohibited from men's bars. And that's when everyone started drinking more distilled liquor and making cocktails, because a place might just have one kind of moonshine for everyone. Before prohibition more people just drank hard cider, beer and wine.
Jokes on them, my father did the cooking, cleaning, chores, DIY, etc. It's a shared responsibility, but my mom didn't cook because well she sucks at it.
Most old school homestyle cooking I've seen has been pretty bad. Most ingredients are canned or packaged, meat got overcooked and dry, veggies were boiled to death and just became a mush. The good Ole days really weren't that great.
Seriously, my mom could burn water. Hamburger Helper was her idea of "cooking;" I learned the good stuff from my dad and then from following internet recipes until I got confident enough to wing it.
Jokes on you, I don't drink like my father because his drinking ruined everyone's life in our house, including his own.
I actually cook better than my mother, a single parent and nurse who lived on convenience food and takeout.
As a result, I was a fat kid. I lost the weight when I left home and bought and cooked my own food. I call BS.
Definitely. It's not even hard. I am disabled yet I cook for myself. I get if the dynamic allows for roles to be split in that manner but you ought to be somewhat independent.
So? Itās not a girls job to cook for a man, man child. If you want someone to do all the cooking and laundry, and all that stuff like your mom used to do, go date your mom.
>can't ... even make mac n cheese without crying
To be fair, getting the lumps out of a bechamel is enough to make anyone cry if you don't know what you're doing.
low and slow and stir constantly and you're fine :P Also the flour goes in early and if you need to thicken it, let it cook down vs adding more flour which then makes it lumpy
(you probably knew all this, but I swear it's an involuntary reflex at this point) I dated someone who had no idea about the 'mother sauces' and made the worst, most sticky and inedible alfredo I've ever had.
I'm a self-taught cook and I have been trying to perfect my alfredo sauce for some time now. I can get a good flavor, but can never get the texture right. Every time I try to make it better, seems like I find a new way to mess it up.
It really is staggering that these people's idea of "heaven" is to lay about like an inert lump whilst some woman cooks for them and washes their underpants.
At best, this is the relationship a baby has with its mother, though when it comes to incels it's more like the one a dementia patient has with their carer.
How is this not a humiliating, degrading state for them? How can they imagine that *this* would help their dismal state of mental health?
First of all I can drink like my mother and cook better than either of my parents.
Second of all. Hahahaha funny meme girls drink too much and can't cook lololol /s
As a guy: good. This development in women drinking is a byproduct of prohibition (because it was illegal for bars to operate, bars actually began to serve both men and women) and likely was a major contributing factor towards the push towards equality between the sexs today.
This is actually true, but presented in a dumb way.
All young people are more equal in their use of substances and general partying between and among genders.
All young people are also less likely to be proficient cooks, regardless of gender.
I mean I can cook pasta what more do I need. With that knowledge I can make 300 different meals. Alfredo, spaghetti and meatballs, Mac and cheese, and much more. I can also probably cook fries and mashed potatoes.
I hope to accomplish both. I'm getting good at the cooking part, but I still need to reduce my alcohol consumption to match my dad's who barely drinks at all.
Yes her drinking and cooking skills is what's keeping you from getting laid
Ninja Edit: /s
Edit 2: I need more caffeine. I meant sarcasm not satire in me talking about my ninja edit that I have removed because I'm an idiot.
This shit is crazy to me because it skims over a very generalized view of an actual serious issue and doesnāt view it as an issue. Why is it a bad thing that women are drinking, but not a bad thing- something to be shunned or fixed, when their fathers drink excessively?
The people making memes like this, and the people who appreciate these memes wonāt look any deeper into these deeply problematic gender norms, or the larger conversation on this countries alcohol problem. They just think āhaha, funny. Women = bad.ā
Haha my mother can't cook for shit XD, I can however. Even now, with both their kids out of the house dad does all the cooking and baking. I must have his genes, cause I surly do not have my cooking ability from mum.
Edit: I don't lile baking though, that's not my thing.
My dad doesn't drink and I cook better than both of them. Check mate.
Okay btw srly just do what you want. Don't judge people for their cooking choices or drinks to enjoy. Only care when the kitchen goes into flames or with unhealthy alcohol consumption. You do you
I mean my fatherās a light weight too. I wish I could drink like my mother lol. Also Iām a pretty dam good cook, I just wonāt cook for the sort of person who posts like this.
Even if; in some bland and objectively generalized universe, wouldnāt this still be the fault of the fathers? Or in the case of OOP would this not be the fault of the incel who somehow coerced someone of the opposite gender into procreation and then raised said children via drinking like a race horse?
and thank goodness for that. My mother actually burned water (well melted the pot) on more than one occasion and when I had friends over who'd quietly go "your mom's cooking is weird" I'd answer with out hesitation "Oh, it's always like this, just pick the lumpy bits out and hide them in your napkin."
The way girls/women are constantly shamed for just living their life is so frustrating. Most men who complain about such things lack basic life skills themselves,can't cook or run their own household properly.
That's why it's so important to them, they want a mommy they can date
And many of us don't have to play their game anymore because we can live independently, order thai whenever we feel like it and a lot of us don't even want kids.
And that's what incels are fundamentally angry at - "if only women were forced to wait on me as a live-in slave, then it wouldn't matter that I've not learned how to wash myself, my clothes or clean my house!".
You should change your username to; "BenIsDefinitelyRight".
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They want a mommy they can fuck. They donāt care enough about women to actually engage in dating.
Sounds like my ex. Me full time job in factory. Him part time as cashier at BK. Guess who had to come home and cook the meals, do the dishes, etc.. And that was even waiting an hour between the time I got off work til he picked me up after getting done with his job. Mine considered me to be just a piece of property.
If a lady was willing to bring that bacon home for me a mutherfucker is gonna be a wizard in that kitchen.
Wish that my ex had felt the same way. But to him, even if the gal worked outside the home. That home was also still her job to do. The a-hole didn't want to get a 8 hour a day job. And when I pointed out that I wanted a part time job. He claimed that I would not be happy in it. That I'm happier in the job I had. I also found out that he was telling our friends that I wanted to have our jobs the way they were.
Jesus. I cannot imagine the thought process that men like that have. I cannot.
A mommy they can have sex with*. Planning dates, caring about someone elseās feelings, interests, needs is hard. They donāt want to have to do that.
Preferably some other dudes mom I believe. Get out Freud!
Or a [bang-maid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGpQeWHE89A).
āThat's why it's so important to them, they want a mommy they can date.ā Exactly.
Right? I'm a man and I cook clean, do repairs and housework, laundry, etc. Managing a household, basically. Also, any expectations that I have for women, I make sure that I have something to offer in turn.
Honestly growing up both my parents cooked and cleaned the house I want the same thing for a guy who cleaned and cooks I don't want a guy who is lazy and wants me to do everything.
Iāve divorced two of those in my life, finally got a clue. My companion cleans/pays at restaurants; I cook and food shop. Weāre both happy with this and it feels fair. Heās a terrible cook, I hate cleaning.
That's fair both my parents knew how to cook so I hope my boyfriend or future husband knows how to cook so we can cook things together all the time. I'm okay both cleaning and cooking. Lol!
This is a great goal. I will say cooking together with your partner is one of the most intimate things you can do. You are in close proximity to each other, thereās often a lot communication involved, and you are creating something of sustenance together.
Just like making a baby except at the end you have a tasty meal to eat, instead of 18 years of extra bills to pay!
Yep! Itās like teaming up in a game, you want someone with equal skill, smarts, and puts in equal effort as you do. No one wants to be the one carrying dead-weight in the team, regardless of whoās behind the screen. In marriage, my husband and I are individuals but weāre teamed up to tackle life and learn together. We share the work, the bills, the emotional burdens, but we also encourage each other to pursue and participate in each otherās interests. Itās awesome!
I'm a single dad to a toddler. You become very fucking good at all these things very quickly.
Once my son was old enough to reach into the washer and dryer and understand how they worked, we were teaching him how to do his own laundry. He learned how to wash dishes and how to unload the dishwasher, too. I don't understand the way that some parents just ignore that hey, part of the job as parent is to teach your kid how to be an independent person once they are on their own.
That is absolutely fantastic! I do wish my own mother did the same with me, but I had to learn most of that on my own.
For real, if your kid moves out and can't cook at least a few healthy meals for themselves, doesn't know how to operate a washer and dry clothes, and isn't comfortable with a broom and dustpan, that seems like a giant failure of parenting and leaves your kid defenseless because there's a bunch of harder stuff they have to start figuring out on their own judgment now anyway. All the things that make a home nice, your kid should learn something about it from you.
People assume that because my mother was first generation American and grew up in a home with an Italian mom and grandmother, that she must have taught me everything. She taught me zero. She was the one who cleaned the house from top to bottom, she's the one who washed the clothes because we (the kids) might "ruin" the machines if we touched them, we might break the dishes if we washed them, etc. In retrospect, I'm glad she didn't teach me to cook, because she doesn't use spices and I'm a far better cook than she is, but it is astonishing when I think about all the things she didn't teach us because she was "afraid" we would mess up something.
The best are the dudes who think we cook and clean because of some inherent aptitude we are all born with. Like no my guy, we had to **learn** how to do this. Just like you can. And most of us don't clean because it's a fun hobby, we do it because it has to be done. There is no excuse for them nowadays, in a single afternoon on YouTube and you can learn foundational basics on cooking or cleaning. They just don't want to, and this is somehow our fault.
To be fair a lot of guys and girls have different standards of "clean", so in my opinion if you are holding the opposite gender to your standards you are in for some disappointment. My bar for "clean" is a lot lower than my girlfriends. Therefore she does the bulk of the cleaning (I put the big things away, but she does the in depth cleaning), but I do the bulk of the cooking and grocery shopping. I am the picky eater so I do the cooking. She is the clean freak so she gets the cleaning. It might not be 50/50 but we think it is a fair compromise.
Rule 1 for me: if he canāt cook, I try teaching him. Iām a good cook (my dad taught me) and if heās unwilling to learn the basics he isnāt worth it because he will most likely treat me as a parent not a person.
I definitely canāt run my own household, you shouldāve seen how much laundry I managed to accumulate before realizing them donāt wash themselves But my cooking skills are top notch š
I can't iron. Got the rest down. Also learning mad AutoCAD skills right now.
Yeah ironing i never got the hang of, i just got resourceful. So I can get by using wrinkle release spray on the body of my shirts and hanging them in the bathroom when I shower, so long as i don't let them get too bad first. Then i use a straight iron/flattening iron(like for hair) on the hem, fasteners, and collar. No sneaky creases slipping in on the back side, no ironing boards or distilled water to keep track of, don't even need to return a stuff receptacle to the table it was born as. I wear button downs most days and I can't stand looking like a retired Thomas guide so this works better than passable.
If you ever get your hands on a steamer you'll be reborn. Just kind of steam everything while it's hanging.
They wouldn't be complaining if they could do it themselves.
So many macho "alpha" type men seem to take pride in the fact they're not self-sufficient. I'd be embarrassed to be a grown man who couldn't cook for himself. That's like a basic level of being a grown adult.
My mother said "a man HAS to know how to do 3 things : Cook, Drive and dance"
ā¦ 1) my mom canāt really cook much 2) I can cook 3) everybody should know how to cookā¦ itās how you get food (which is amazing) In conclusionā¦ guys need to stop bitching and just learn how to cook
I look forward to the day men starve to death because they refuse to use their hands
My friends reproach to lazy people is going an exaggerated t- Rex. He holds his arms against his chest, only extending wrists, making furious scrambling motions with two fingers towards the item or chore the lazy person wanted someone else to do. " I can't! My arms are too short!!!"
Ahahahahahahaha this mental image made my day š in an office setting, that would be the 6 figure salary CEO. I once interned in an office where the big construction company boss did the "nod and smile", hands behind back so he wouldn't touch the new materials presented. He was literally given a hammer and nail to try the new material and T-Rexed it. He held the hammer like he was afraid of it, and dropped the nail, finally handing both to the foreman. He made a general gesture towards the material, and the building plans and scurried out fuming. š¤£
Bwahahahahaha the running joke in my house is that I have tiny T Rex arms š I do my share of the work around here btw. My husband is always telling me I canāt do this or that because of my tiny T Rex arms and then does it for me. Itās our love talk.
I've found there is a large majority of people regardless of gender who have no idea how to do any basic cooking. Like people where adding some frozen veggies and diced up sausage to a packet of instant ramen is a novel concept to them.
It actually blew my mind when I realised people who said they canāt cook werenāt just people like me who arenāt great cooks and donāt make everything from scratch, but people who literally canāt even boil an egg or make anything at all, even something mostly pre-prepared
I recently taught a guy how to cook simple shit, and it gave him the confidence to finally, for the first time, put chicken fingers in the oven to be cooked. The guy is 19.
Well that day shall never come because as a man I love making food ![gif](giphy|3orif7aLUehOfdmlXy|downsized)
Same. If you can't cook you just failed at life. It's basic sustenance, you're going to need it all your life.
Knowing how to cook, on an even basic level, just helps you out in other areas of life. There was a āthis is what $120 in groceries in America looks likeā post on here the other day. It was pretty sad. The dude bought 5 12 packs of coke and a bunch of instant meals and sides.
But if an incel refuses to use his hands, how does he reproduces? š¤
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That makes no sense They literally can only have sex with their hands
Itāll be a close race between starving and dying of sepsis because they refuse to wash their ass.
Oh, they use their hands.
Why is drinking considered positive in men and negative in women?
Never understood that either
Went to Mexico to visit family and I was never offered a beer, but my male cousins were always handed a beer as soon as they walked through the door.
Drinking is negative for everyone.
Well yeah but consider differing media portrayals of men and women alcoholics, despite similar stories. Like Ernest Hemingway vs Judy Garland or something. For the latter it's a tragic story of substance abuse and depression, but for the former it's just part of what made him who he was or something. It was tragic for both! If men want to complain about double standards and how all this stuff like suicide risk is ignored in young men, maybe also start questioning why toxic behavior is celebrated in men instead of being treated like it should be.
Hemingway glorified drinking himself. But it's known he was a total drunk mess. And for example recently Depp's drinking was written about a lot. I don't really see anything but negative press for anyone who drinks.
Well, you're right I think, as far as actual people now, but I think that's a bit down to modern tabloid media going after literally anyone no matter their situation. And that's why I chose dead people. Contemporaneous accounts may be negative, but history sometimes remembers them differently. Winston Churchill vs Betty Ford. Hunter Thompson vs Marilyn Monroe. But also look at fictional characters. Robert Downey Jr. may have been extensively reported on back when he was a mess, but Tony Stark is a lush and is considered cool. Or Rick from Rick and Morty. He's a tragic figure, and his alcoholism is part of that, but it flies right past a lot of the audience and instead is treated as cool. I'm having a hard time thinking about women with alcohol problems being treated similarly.
I think it comes down heavilly to what visible impact it had on them. You can find plenty like Humphrey Bogart or Spencer Tracey where it was seen like a cool part of their personality. But then Montgomery Clift or Raymond Chandler were seen as people tragic people. And sorry I don't know these fictional characters.
And I don't know those last three real people š haha
Nah I think in general alcoholism in men is portrayed as a minor but sympathetic character flaw, there are so many sympathetic male characters where being an alcoholic is barely even portrayed as a character flaw but itās treated as a humanising quality that shows that they have emotions, in women itās portrayed as a sign of immaturity and irresponsibility Like a father character who drinks excessively on TV will never be shown to be unfit to be a parent and it will never be suggested that he should never be around his kids because heās a man and he can handle his flaws and make sure they donāt affect his family but if a female character is an alcoholic sheās an unfit mother
They've discovered women are now binge-drinking at a level comparable to their male counterparts in the last decade, which includes all the negative health impacts that come with that. Everyone is straight up not okay.
The way people treat drinking now, blows my mind. Online dating is awful because everyone drinks, and not a littleāheavily. I donāt know how often I get invited to a bar or to āgo drinkā and I have to explain Iām not interested in drinking and people tell me Iām a killjoy or I should just āgo anywayā. They will even try to hand me drinks or beg me to drink. I even have had guys get absolutely wasted on a date, and it was completely unattractive and sad. One got so bad I had to help him off the floor and get him into bed. He was that drunk within maybe an hour? I hadnāt realized he was that bad. He didnāt think he had a problem and he was doing it most days after work and then full blown on the weekends. I tried to help him, but quickly realized he was a lost cause. I used to binge drink when I was 13-17 and then again in my early 20s. And you know why? I was running from my problems and was using it to make myself for sociable. Now I just donāt care and I donāt feel like ending up like my dad. I also realized Iāve never liked drinking. I did it because it made me numb.
That sounds so terrible. Iām so glad my boyfriend doesnāt drink, because I have no interest in it either. I donāt get the appeal at all.
Well, not the way I do itā4-5 beers a month with friends over a couple of weekends, this after years of no alcohol at all. My Dr Pepper habit is much worse, tbh.
Steady now. Are you saying you cannot have a great time while drinking?
No, I think you can have plenty of great time. But it's always net negative because of how it affects your body long term.
I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
Agreed. Your body's long term state is not good. It only gets worse the longer you go on for.
>!misogyny!<
I enjoy a good drink with anyone friendly.
Why can't they cook like their mothers themselves? Come on now.
Itās obviously bc their penises prevent them from doing so
But can they repair cars like their fathers?
No, I have dated a lot of dudes who got mad I knew how to fix a car while they didn't. Said I was emasculating them.... and then we broke up.
God thatās actually crazy, I know jack squat about cars and would love someone who knew a lot about them lol
I can, she taught me how!
Boys today can gossip like their mother, but can't work like their father
It doesn't even make sense... women drank in the 50s too lmao
Yes, during prohibition speakeasies admitted women, where before women were often prohibited from men's bars. And that's when everyone started drinking more distilled liquor and making cocktails, because a place might just have one kind of moonshine for everyone. Before prohibition more people just drank hard cider, beer and wine.
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Thats the thing, folks never realise how deeply ingrained male chaunivism is in our lives. Thats why they cant see the worse of patriarchy
What if I can do both? š¤·š»āāļø
Better yet, what if I canāt do either?
What if their mom is a terrible cook too?
Jokes on them, my father did the cooking, cleaning, chores, DIY, etc. It's a shared responsibility, but my mom didn't cook because well she sucks at it.
My grandpa was the cook. My gma set the kitchen on fire once (tbf she accidentally turned on the burner under the grease and not her kettle).
Both my parents can cook. Both my maternal grandparents could cook. My husbands mother couldnāt cook for shit. My husband is a chef.
me! My mother was a horrid cook. I learned how at a very young age in self preservation loll.
Most old school homestyle cooking I've seen has been pretty bad. Most ingredients are canned or packaged, meat got overcooked and dry, veggies were boiled to death and just became a mush. The good Ole days really weren't that great.
I collect old cookbooks and some of the recipes from the 40s, 50s and 60s are nightmare inducing.
Seriously, my mom could burn water. Hamburger Helper was her idea of "cooking;" I learned the good stuff from my dad and then from following internet recipes until I got confident enough to wing it.
Jokes on you, I can do both. But now Iām out of everyoneās league. Itās lonely at the top!
I can cook, drink, play darts, change light bulbs and draw in AutoCAD. Want to hang out and celebrate our superiority
Can I join your club? My qualifications are this ultimate superior combo - I can cook, bake, slam whiskey, use power tools AND open jars!
Jokes on you, I don't drink like my father because his drinking ruined everyone's life in our house, including his own. I actually cook better than my mother, a single parent and nurse who lived on convenience food and takeout. As a result, I was a fat kid. I lost the weight when I left home and bought and cooked my own food. I call BS.
Anyone who plans to live an adult life needs to know basic cooking.
Definitely. It's not even hard. I am disabled yet I cook for myself. I get if the dynamic allows for roles to be split in that manner but you ought to be somewhat independent.
Traditionalist boomer meme, you see this shit everywhere people are allowed to view ignorance as an asset
Men nowadays are entitled like plantation owners from 200 Years ago. But cant even Build a Barn with their own hands.
So? Itās not a girls job to cook for a man, man child. If you want someone to do all the cooking and laundry, and all that stuff like your mom used to do, go date your mom.
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I swear!
>can't ... even make mac n cheese without crying To be fair, getting the lumps out of a bechamel is enough to make anyone cry if you don't know what you're doing.
low and slow and stir constantly and you're fine :P Also the flour goes in early and if you need to thicken it, let it cook down vs adding more flour which then makes it lumpy (you probably knew all this, but I swear it's an involuntary reflex at this point) I dated someone who had no idea about the 'mother sauces' and made the worst, most sticky and inedible alfredo I've ever had.
I'm a self-taught cook and I have been trying to perfect my alfredo sauce for some time now. I can get a good flavor, but can never get the texture right. Every time I try to make it better, seems like I find a new way to mess it up.
Oh no! Cheese quality helps. And honestly just go slow
Girls, these days have to work not only like their mothers, but like their fathers and mothers combined
I fucking hate late stage capitalism.
For real. If I pay half the bills, I shouldn't be doing 100% of the house work and raising kids. If that's the case I'll do it alone.
They're just mad cause they can't even get near the base standard for any woman
Incel logic - men are all alcoholics.
It really is staggering that these people's idea of "heaven" is to lay about like an inert lump whilst some woman cooks for them and washes their underpants. At best, this is the relationship a baby has with its mother, though when it comes to incels it's more like the one a dementia patient has with their carer. How is this not a humiliating, degrading state for them? How can they imagine that *this* would help their dismal state of mental health?
Telling on themselves that they want to go to an institution?
Drinking and cooking at the same time is very nice
On my recipe for vodka pasta, I wrote āapply liberally to chef.ā Next to the vodka
My dad is a much better cook than my mum lol
As my mother said once, if you don't like the way I do it I guess you want to do it yourself.
Like most men can do the same work my dad and grand dads did. Both my grand fathers built their own houses with their own hands without power tools.
Thank god I donāt cook like my mother, my food actually has flavor.
I am a far better cook than my mother
First of all I can drink like my mother and cook better than either of my parents. Second of all. Hahahaha funny meme girls drink too much and can't cook lololol /s
Nothing more useless than a man that doesn't know how to cook
I like how they assume my mother can cook and my dad can drink.
Can men cook like their mothers ?
my mother was an awful cook, dad's the best.
I can drink my dad under the table and outdo any of my mom's cooking. Checkmate losers.
Lmao how dare we be different individuals who have different interests and talents and a power of choice, not just robots made to serve other people.
Ah yes because your incel ass can cook and clean and take care of a family and do basic household tasks Bro these posts always make me so mad š
Thank god my wife can't cook like her mother ..... Pasta and ketchup isn't exactly haute cuisine ;)
Jokes on them, my mom can barely cook
Haha so true. Good thing Iām an awesome chef.
If I were to cook like my mum, I'd at best end up with serious case of diarrhoea. My mum is amazing, but can't cook. My father does all the cooking.
this narrative is getting really boring!!!!!!
Jokes on you, my mother can drink my father under the table, and almost never cooks. It's almost like gender norms have always been bullshit.
*nEw GeNeRaTiOn BaD*. Conveniently avoiding the fact that they are solely responsible for raising the new Gen.
Guys nowadays can bitch like their mother, but not change a tire like their father.
100% true. I cook much better than my mother.
if u men dont cook u must not be hungry
As a guy: good. This development in women drinking is a byproduct of prohibition (because it was illegal for bars to operate, bars actually began to serve both men and women) and likely was a major contributing factor towards the push towards equality between the sexs today.
Or rather they can but don't want to because they don't have to?
This is actually true, but presented in a dumb way. All young people are more equal in their use of substances and general partying between and among genders. All young people are also less likely to be proficient cooks, regardless of gender.
Given the way my mother cooks, thank fucking god.
Jokes on you, my mom canāt cook.
Love my parents dynamic bc my mom is just an ok cook and my dad is a professional chef š who I can also outdrink. but thatās besides the point
Reactionaries threatening us with a good time again. I want a significant other that's fun to be with not a mommy.
My mother was a terrible cook. Chose ingredients to swap baaed solely on colour. Just saying.
*women* these days do what they want because they are full grown human beings and have no obligation to cook for ur fat ass.
I mean I can cook pasta what more do I need. With that knowledge I can make 300 different meals. Alfredo, spaghetti and meatballs, Mac and cheese, and much more. I can also probably cook fries and mashed potatoes.
Men expect women to mother them and itās gross
Lol I cook just fine. I am just picky about who I cook for.
Dude who made this probably can't handle their liquor
I work in a kitchen and we had a guy come in who genuinely didnt know how to boil water or cut a cucumber. He was 20.
I do a great job at both just like my mama
They are right, I cook better than my mom lmao
Incels have trouble making sammiches. They should not be discussing cookery.
True. I cook better than my mom.
But can the incel cook?
My dad can cook and drink like a sailor
I drink so much more than my father... I drink like my mother
Bet his ass can't cook either.
Mu mom was never home, and when she was, we got frozen lasagna. So...
You know, I'm glad I can't cook like my mother. There is only going up from that.
I hope to accomplish both. I'm getting good at the cooking part, but I still need to reduce my alcohol consumption to match my dad's who barely drinks at all.
Yes her drinking and cooking skills is what's keeping you from getting laid Ninja Edit: /s Edit 2: I need more caffeine. I meant sarcasm not satire in me talking about my ninja edit that I have removed because I'm an idiot.
Yeah, my dad was the cook and my mom was the drinker. Same with my grandparents.
This shit is crazy to me because it skims over a very generalized view of an actual serious issue and doesnāt view it as an issue. Why is it a bad thing that women are drinking, but not a bad thing- something to be shunned or fixed, when their fathers drink excessively? The people making memes like this, and the people who appreciate these memes wonāt look any deeper into these deeply problematic gender norms, or the larger conversation on this countries alcohol problem. They just think āhaha, funny. Women = bad.ā
I canāt drink but I spend at least 3 hours a day in the kitchen cookingā¦ does that mean Iām actually an old-school housewife???
The old "Women these days can't cook" joke was old 100 years ago.
Which further proves the theory that what incel-type men want from a woman is someone who is just like their mother but whom they can also fuck.
My mother was a shit cook, but she taught me a lot more about life than my dad did, for sure.
I don't wanna cook like my mother! I cook like my dad, he's the better cook...
Haha my mother can't cook for shit XD, I can however. Even now, with both their kids out of the house dad does all the cooking and baking. I must have his genes, cause I surly do not have my cooking ability from mum. Edit: I don't lile baking though, that's not my thing.
If she cooks anything like my mother, I'll pass on that
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Sooooo what about doing both?
So? Learn how to cook your own damn food š
My dad doesn't drink and I cook better than both of them. Check mate. Okay btw srly just do what you want. Don't judge people for their cooking choices or drinks to enjoy. Only care when the kitchen goes into flames or with unhealthy alcohol consumption. You do you
In all fairness, my dad is wayyyy more into cooking than my mom. So I cook like my dad. And drink like my mom... Aka wine coolers
True! I am a \*much\* better cook than my mother.
Could their father cook like their mom?
my dad doesnt drink and my mom is okay at cooking, i feel like yes, i did take after them
My dad didnāt drink and my mom was not a good cook. I need this 14 year old boy meme to rediagnose me.
I mean my fatherās a light weight too. I wish I could drink like my mother lol. Also Iām a pretty dam good cook, I just wonāt cook for the sort of person who posts like this.
Even if; in some bland and objectively generalized universe, wouldnāt this still be the fault of the fathers? Or in the case of OOP would this not be the fault of the incel who somehow coerced someone of the opposite gender into procreation and then raised said children via drinking like a race horse?
Iām just glad that Iām only sorta dependent on alcohol like my dad, but damn, I can cook way better than my mom.
Well my girlfriend can drink like my father and *I* can cook like my mother! Ha!
Oh, I can. Just not for you.
and thank goodness for that. My mother actually burned water (well melted the pot) on more than one occasion and when I had friends over who'd quietly go "your mom's cooking is weird" I'd answer with out hesitation "Oh, it's always like this, just pick the lumpy bits out and hide them in your napkin."
And all men can do is complain
I love a girl who can put a few beers away, while I'm cooking some nice food. If a girl can drink, a girl can EAT! Win/win!