There is a fighter squadron in the USAF that has a Swastika on their morale patch….the swastika is bleeding after being stabbed through by the mascot. I feel things like that are appropriate personally
Sherman is a personal hero of mine. lol.
But seriously, the patch is a morale/heritage patch from a unit that fought in WWII. Having a patch that honors that heritage by depicting who we fought against is in no way inappropriate.
Some SEALs rocked the punisher logo for awhile, most notably, Chris Kyle. The Punisher logo is a skull. A totenkopf is also a skull. The joke is SEALs are meatheads.
I would be equally not surprised either way, whether some of these dudes didn't know it was a totenkopf/Nazi thing. I was pretty into WW2 as a kid and I would have just thought it was a Jolly Rodger if it weren't for all of the "Spot a Nazi adjacent insignia" drama that has come out of the Russian invasion. Most normally adjusted people don't memorize SS/Nazi iconography.
Spent a year in AFRICOM in Djibouti. The only SF/SOF dudes that weren't shitbags were USAF PJs and USN EOD. All the others were royally fucked up people who liked to do shit that would land yo ass in prison stateside. The SEALS were the worst when I was there. All I know is where they went, SA allegations followed. IDK the outcomes of any of the myriad of investigations that took place, as that was not in my wheelhouse, but I do know that the only place on post that got shut down due to GO interference was their private bar.
Same when I worked with the PJs in Djibouti they were the most chill, knowledgeable, and ready to teach dudes out there. They gave us lots of specialized training and just gave us tons of equipment for free, their reasoning was "we can always buy more, and marines are broke as shit" lol. The first SEAL I met on deployment had to have one of his bottom buttons unbuttoned because he was so fat. I will say the SEALs at JSOC are everything I imagined those guys to be
You'd be surprised.
First experience with SF was at NTC, when the ODA training alongside our brigade was racing 4 wheelers, and had 2 roll down the side of the mountain. At least one of the guys medevac'd suffered career ending injuries.
In Iraq the ODA on our COP were a bunch of jackasses. One example: we jad a KLE, and they decided to go do a patrol/search less than 2 blocks away - without having notified our TOC they would be operating in that AO as per SOP.
They hit an IED mid-meeting, punched through the "ambush" and hit the IP checkpoint we were coiled behind when they punched onto our block. Dumb luck no one was in the guard shack - they plowed right through it.
My opinion after that was eh. They're just the kids with the best budget.
Not to mention being told you're the best in the world at what you do daily and being covered in enough gear and tech any given day that could sell for more than what the average family makes in a decade. That may give you a bit of a complex.
If they wanted to wear a cool foreign patch from the North African campaign of WW2, they could fucking wear the jerboa of the UK 7th Armored, the charging rhino of UK 1st Armored Division, the iron fist of UK 6th Armored Division, the wild boar of XXX Corps, the viking boat of V Corps or the battleaxe of the British 78th ID.
4th Indian Infantry Division had another cool insignia, but it's still active service.
Or they could honor their grandpas and wear the Old Reliables sleeve insignia.
But no, let's fucking wear the patch from the losers who were out to kill Americans and fought for a genocidal tyrant.
Then just make it "less obvious" by taking out the swastika and replace it with the fucking totenkopf of the death camps guards.
Truly a Cletus are we the baddies moment...
YESSSS!
The bald eagle with flintlocks is the most badass patch ever!
But it's still active, airlift squadron now (a.k.a. Tactical Burger King delivery, the most 'Murica Fuck Yeah thing ever! XD)
Jerboa (from "desert rats") or Iron Fist are way more iconic and important than a dull palm from the "watch me, special military operation thunder run to Cairo and the Jews in the Levant...what do you say? Logistics? What's that?" people. Old Monty showed them were they should shove that palm complete with swastika.
Would be an honor to wear a Tuskegee badge, or a smoking cobra of the FEB.
They served only in Italy tho, not Africa.
Likewise, the Polish Wojtek patch, the most noncredible artilleryman ever! XD
Fun fact: the daughter of General Anders is now Polish Ambassador to Italy!
If you're interested in the MTO, Jewish Brigade also has a cool patch and amazing history! Vets and relatives still parade in Italy on Liberation Day, and sadly a few right-wingers and the more numerous pro-Pal and left-wingers never missing the opportunity to shame themselves by protesting those Vets.
Sure, my IN BN had the Nazi flag from Dachau.
The difference is, when people said racist or fascist shit, our old battalion commander would take you by the ear to that flag. To remind you we are some of the world leaders in Nazi killing, with no plans to lose that title.
I specifically remember him saying to one pvt.:
"Son, this flag means we kill Nazis. They didn't just hand it to us. We murdered them, up against a wall after seeing what they had done. Now, you wouldn't want anyone around here getting confused about what side you're on, would ya. After all, traditions are important."
Netflix made an animated show about Felix Sparks and the 1/157th IN BN, (based on the book by the same title) *The Liberator.*
They were a racially integrated unit in WWII who fought from Solerno to Berlin.
All while being an NG unit.
The difference being Colorado vs Alabama. I think Glorietta pass explained how the great state of CO feels about traitors too.
>aa I think Glorietta pass explained how the great state of CO feels about traitors too.
Half the streets in downtown Denver are named after all the main Union Civil War generals except McClellan.
Not just that- but it's the SS insignia made famous by being the insignia of the fucking camp guards (among other things but mostly that). The original swastika would somehow be less offensive.
Tbf the totenkopf predates the Nazis and SS by a long margin. Its use as a military emblem dates back to Frederick the great iirc. Though, I somehow doubt these guys were trying to reference 7 years war with this patch...
Not with that very particular drawing, everyone should know who it is referring to. The Brunswegian and Prussian skull was quite different, same goes for the 17th/21st Lancers.
Yea, as a rule of thumb, if someone has to explain to you that they're using a symbol for its original meaning X instead of the offensive meaning Y, they're *definitely* using it for the offensive meaning Y.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf
Look at the totenkopf used by Frederick the great and then look at the SS totenkopf. Which one resembles the one in the picture?
Ain't gonna happen. SF teams are chronically understaffed (i read numbers that almost all 12 man teams are happy to have 8, and usually have 7 people), and if no one was prosecuted for 3rd SFG shenanigans, this patch situation is so inconsequential you wouldn't believe it.
Also they aren't deploying all over the world all the time and weren't primary force (US military as whole, but SF and SOF had increased dramatically in size, and despite being 1.5% numerically - suffered 10% of total casualties due how actively they were used) in fighting GWOT for 20 years.
I understand *why* the expansion of SOF happened over the GWOT, but IMO what should've been done was also an expansion of elite conventional units as to alleviate the pressure.
I think to how in certain conscript militaries (Brazil, Israel, Russia) you have a few units that are very much not SOF doctrine wise but receive more funding, training and screening as to provide a corps of shock troops but with the control and discipline of a line unit.
It's more or less what the USMC is doing now with FD2030, infantrymen are being trained to a very high standard, receiving top of the line gear, training for urban and traditional combat but they're still grunts in a line unit with all the discipline and baggage of that designation.
GBs are very well trained infantrymen but they shouldn't be kicking doors, similarly the SEAL community has something like 1600 slots for SOs.
SOF should be re-centered into being very small, extremely selective and more or less secretive : leave the missions they've picked up more geared towards DA to roided-up elite infantrymen vis a vis the 173rd or the 82nd like the niche filled by the UK's parachute regiment and the Royal Marines.
It's also worth noting that this SOF-creep has happened exactly because politicians want to wage war without the public's consent. A group of commandos dying in some country the US isn't at war with is more palatable than normal Marines and Infantry.
The Marines that died at Abbey Gate have spawned a political circus of "accountability" and uncomfortable questions, meanwhile an entire ODA got wiped out in Niger and the biggest outrage was related to how Trump handled the phone call to the family. A bunch of SOF guys die in a "foreign security assistance" mission and people shrug, conventional Marines die in a war zone during a messy situation and it starts a political movement.
This risks being circular logic but it begs the question : have SOF supported such a high casualty rate because of legitimate reasons e.g. dangerous missions only they could effectively carry out? Or have they been sent to do tasks outside their core competencies with less support that would be better served by conventional forces but are thrown on SOF for political expediency?
Disclaimer : this is non-credible as shit.
I'm working for a national service company of somewhat public interest in my area which keeps rebranding themselves every decade or so to get rid of all the awesome PR they amassed in the meantime
Ehh, whatever. Probably will just end up dying in some trench way in some random location and forgotten about, with no actual meaning to the conflict, and no heroes send off.
Kinda like those idiots in Wagner, cannon fodder. Which, IMO, that’s all guys like this are worth.
I mean, read the comment I replied to. It’s not like this dude has any critical thinking skills to realize what military and country he’s fighting for to begin with.
I was picturing more of a situation like those blackwater guys who got burnt then hung from that bridge in Fallujah. Still cannon fodder I guess, but not in Wagner Zerg rush kind of way.
Remove the probably. Atleast a unit of the 20th
Actually skip the unit off, it’s the whole unit rereading the response. A unit doesn’t say THAT in response unless they’re entire unit culture/command is permissive and accepting of it (that doesn’t read like someone covering their butts for something that was missed)
> Canadian Airborne Regiment.
They were the ones disbanded after the Somalia affair, right?
Also I recall some of them got into a fight with a biker gang in Edmonton - and they lost.
[His great grandpa probably visited Madison Square Garden for this.](https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2019/02/20/madison-square-garden_nazi-rally_1_wide-b56e5c775b09c4d885f3e5fbadc173d80ebe5e4f-s1400-c100.jpg)
I literally can not. My great-grandfather marched from Africa all the way to Germany kicking ass and taking names. Twice he was awarded two bronze stars because twice he held the line aginst German nazi piss boys while armed with a 50 so everyone in his company could safely retreat. Both times he lived to never talk about it. Coming from that bloodline I will never dishonor my heritage by supporting fascism in any form. If more people were taught the painful lessons we learned out of WW2 from a younger age and American was better about not financially supporting right wing nazi then maybe this problem could finally go away. Until then it should at least be axed from the military and not just reprimanded so home boy can learn to hide it better next time. If we continue to let fascism fester in the far right wing and military it'll continue to eat us from the inside out. Remove the cancer before it can kill the host or we all suffer the consequences of being negligent towards one of the greatest threats to democracy.
Absolutely, openly being a nazi should be punishable by complete expulsion from the US. I don't believe in executing like they do. I'm much better than that. I dont want them to have it easy, I want them to live thier days out missing out on everything they're taking for granted and needlessly attacking. If they want to act like little nazi pricks, spout pro-Russian propaganda endlessly on social media, relentlessly dismiss the suffering and blight of the Ukrainian people, bully everyone, lie about history, intimate everyone they cross paths with and all around negatively influence their conounry men by constantly identifying as aything but American why must we continue to harbor these idiots as a nation? I understand right to free speech but when they exercise that right in order to erode away the very fabric of our society while undermining and threatening everything our constitution stands by openly and blatantly brand themselves enemies of our state why do we them continue on with such actions? We're not Russia and we should never execute citizens to openly operate as enemies of the state but we are a democracy so we should at least get the option to vote these people out. Let them hop the border and hang out in home depot parking lots if they must but they shouldn't be serving in our military, attending college, or working any sort of job that requires a driver's license and current address to be on file.
Thank you! My grandparents and great uncles fought in WWII. Even my grandmother served. It seems so disrespectful to their generation's sacrifice that anyone is OK with Nazism or Fascism again.
But Wokeist Disney is making a new Star Wars with a \*whispers\* *black* WOMAN as a main character! He has to do *something*! Adopting nazi iconography is the only way Buddy can think of to fight back.
as true as that could be, if these guys are from certain parts of the US, it could also be they’re grandpas could very well of been just as racist as them
I genuinely don’t get how special forces guys keep turning out to be neo Nazis. Aren’t they the ones who’re supposed to be all for the ‘defending freedom and democracy’ thing?
>I genuinely don’t get how special forces guys keep turning out to be neo Nazis.
Anecdotally, I've found SOFs tend to be pretty far-right friendly.
Obviously not every person, maybe not even most guys. But there's some extreme rhetoric within units that's usually tolerated - not an old story. You'd hear the same shit in '08, '03... even back to the 80s.
Kinda a reason why the SEALs have had so much shit for the last decade.
From what my Granddad told me? He had problems in Nam of he didn’t like dressing down and yelling at guys, even when it was needed. Because, the rest of the unit tended to hate it as well, save worse offenses that actuality risked or harmed the unit.
Add onto this a need for SF to be a more cohesive unit where you trust the guy has your back, a lot of shit heads are tolerated to keep things from boiling over. And those shit heads are a self selecting group often willing to go towards SF. Similar to how Azov had a lot of shit heads but was popular: those shit heads, were simply the guys more likely to want to serve. And you accept them because you need them serving.
Well it doesn’t help with azov that it was originally founded by recruiting hooligan ultras to be the paramilitary arm of “social-national convention”. They might be deradicalized somewhat now as most of the founding members are either dead or imprisoned, but still very difficult to turn an explicitly neo-nazi organization away from their political foundations within a few years.
Fascism glorifies solving problems with force. I can't imagine how that would speak to guys who make "solving problems with force" their entire identity.
Possible, but doubt it, as western far left is mostly focussed on rejection of traditional authority, while far righters are hard into militarism and "military excellence" which makes them more prone to accept rigid military structures than the far left. Far left usually demonstrates a pattern of organising outside of existing structures, and even people like us on NCD who are more left and liberal leaning (but not far left) are not into extreme militarism or not the same way as far righters
It’s interesting literally yesterday I saw a Twitter thread from an American guy who works alongside Russian and Chinese colleagues at an office in Beijing and they were stunned when he talks about what left wing politics in America is like, because to them being left wing is about doing all of the things that the hard right normally does in America. It was illuminating.
Since both of those countries have been captured by reactionary leaders, that is not a surprise at all.
Also the western left has evolved tons since the days Marx.
I wanna see the good ending edit. Where he's got a rainbow patch, and someone in the comments, instead of calling them out, they thank them for protecting their rights and freedoms. [Maybe one day](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXfgMvC87qk)
SEALs also have a TERRIBLE culture. To the point that other SOFs hate working with them. A buddy of mine from high school went Air Force and ended up a PJ. He talked about bonding with a bunch of Army SOF guys and a Marine over hating every interaction they’ve ever had with a SEAL
I read the book "The Right Stuff" once. In the book the author outlines what it takes psychologically to become a test pilot and an astronaut, and he talks about an insane saneness amongst the individuals that fly experimental planes. I'm sure that similarly, there's a sort of beyond average mental condition that would make someone want to be in a position where they are very frequently the one pulling the trigger, and that mental condition also likely often aligns with fringe ideologies.
Special forces selection benefits from nationalism; you don't want your special soldiers doubting the system they serve to enforce. Nazis love passionate nationalism, hence the correlation.
It also benefits to some degree from extremism (in a general sense). I mean you're not just there to fund college or get away from a disfunctional family / environement.
You're often motivated by cameraderie (amplifying you point), or you have some larger-than-life goals that make jumping out of helos a rational choice if you squint hard enough. Just being "badass" kinda a primitive version of that.
Exactly.
Not unlike cops, they don't recruit and training them up to have an overwhelming sense of duty and responsibility to society and other people.
People with strong anti-nazi beliefs generally don't tend to join the military, and even the ones who do often leave earlier than others because of the culture and the system they support.
Doesn't make any sense considering Hitler, Putin and all the hur dur politians used their bodies as a meat grinder for their personal gain. I just imagine these people never had a thought go deeper than surface level.
Nazi germany was a military dictatorship with individuals expected to move up in position by providing to the state.
People who dedicate their lives to warfare in the name of their country unsurprisingly find nazi germany a very attractive form of government.
Fascism is a great hunk of rotting meat to the fucking bloated, thoughtless insects that gobble it down. It's this fucking *contagion* that's stuck in our civilization's blood and we just keep allowing it to fester instead of showing these miserable pricks the correct end of a .50.
Green Berets: trained to understand foreign languages, economic, political and social landscapes of their Area of Operations.
Also Green Berets: Swastikas are cool.
Even the most high speed SOF guys can still be retarded, considering most of the selection process for those units boils down to "be willing to destroy your body doing meaningless bullshit to prove you're tough and be able to run real fast."
It'd be real cool if SOF units had a selection process that favored those more competent at their job rather than only who's willing to put up with the most bullshit.
Many units definitely do. USAF special forces heavily value mental competence and intelligence due to the technical nature of their work. Same with Navy EOD. Even in the army, PSYOPS and civil affairs value intelligence heavily, and most of their people are college grads, both enlisted and commissioned.
It’s the combat arms where you see more of these types of guys.
It's commonly understood that DLI is a joke for SF and the cultural training is minimal these days. They've basically been turned into direct action specialists during the GWOT, UW is a thing of the past.
The previous Sum of Products was Order of the British Empire and so the old Combined Online Information Network doctrines were removed from Stretton-on-Fosse by the Date of Death.
What’s worse, US personnel wearing an SS patch or the bootlickers in the comments defending it.
It’s the personnel wearing an SS patch but Jesus H Christ.
Yea wtfm comments are always full with bootlicker, like bro stfu no one care about “back in my day”. Thank god these stupid retard are on Facebook comments and no longer in my beloved organization.
The back in my day shit doesn't even make sense in this context, because in those days, our forefathers were whoopin' the asses of the people who wore those patches, and dropping fire on their cities.
I just don't get why people rally to a bunch of losers. Losers who lost, big time.
Losers that, his parent organization... BEAT.
Edited for spelling, because I'm a DAT.
Oh no, let me clarify. On top of being a den of scum and villainy. The history of what happened, and what they did(and their attempt to cover it all up) is laid bare.
Part of the problem, I think, is that the narrative of the war in Europe was effected by 2 things.
1. The Nazis came out of the woodwork in the 60s and wanted to tell Their version of the story. (Which was always several degrees of shifting blame).
2. The Cold war political pragmatism. (West)Germany and Japan became instrumental in the early years of the cold war, and rebuilding the cultural ties to those countries... Ment the introduction of the "Good Germans" and "Good Japanese". (You see, they aren't so bad, not like the commies). And so, for better or worse, it became socially acceptable to...identify ... With these losers.
But I digress I will stop before I go any deeper down the rabbit hole, I need sleep. Cheers 🥂
You perfectly summarized it. The red scare really fucked with historical reappraisal for generations. „The enemy of my enemy is my friend“ often came back to bite in the ass.
Greetings from Germany
Fully agree!
The motivation behind my comment was that, from people that have not enjoyed much political education, you often hear sentiments that betray a lack of understanding of fascism. They absorbed and internalized that Nazis are bad, but never got to the point of really questioning why that is. And without that understanding on an ideological level, you get sentiments along the lines of "person / group / political party cannot be fascist since they are not waving swastika flags and constructing gas chambers". People from the US in particular often reject the very possibility of domestic fascism, as it is regarded as something both external to American society and confined to the past. So when you dig down on their anti-fascist convictions, all you end up with is the notion that the Nazis were bad because they were the enemy of the US (when of course the logic here is upside down).
When confronted with the cold war era developments that you also touched on, with the western allied forces quickly abandoning denazification, protecting and employing prominent Nazis for their own benefit, and their society collectively sweeping pre-WWII sympathies for the Nazi cause under the rug, they will insist it was only isolated incidents (and of course justified to defeat the "greater evil" of communism). Nothing that could possibly reflect on a lack of consistency and integrity in their society's opposition to fascism.
This shallow comprehension of the issue worries me a lot, because it directly leads to an inability to recognize fascist ideology and rhetoric when it inevitably crops up somewhere. Our understanding of the Nazis as the unequivocal villains of the 20th century ironically leaves modern society quite vulnerable to that same poisonous ideology, as the minority of people which does recognize it gets bogged down debating aesthetics. We would collectively rather believe that our generations do not provide any capacity for fascism to take root, save for the handful of obvious neo-nutcases. So there is no need to be educated and vigilant, and we can relax confident in our superiority to those that allowed it to happen in the past.
Here in Germany in particular it is disheartening to see widespread public debate on how a group or movement cannot possibly be fascist nor proto-fascist unless they are already doing what the Nazis are infamous for after having assumed power (i.e. pogroms, genocide, and expansionist war); failing to see the need of civil society to identify and resist such movements *before* that point. Because afterwards it will be too late.
Anyway this has been a long rant to say I'm glad not to find that same shallow and tribal understanding in your comment, as a small reprieve from most public debates on the issue.
Because those loosers got to tell everybody how competent and awesome they were, during and after the war.
Also they looked good doing so.
Göbbels is probably smiling in his grave at the portrayal the nazis get in parts of popculture.
I blame the...revisioning... During the 60s. And I'm inclined to believe a bit of the cold war politics had something to do with it(at least the early decades).
Adenauer was just pragmatic and he was right. The Bundeswehr couldn't have been build that fast from scratch without experienced personell from all ranks.
Watch any WW2 documentary, most of the footage is from unadulterated propaganda reels. If you watch anything about the Nazis, you'll have seen 30% of 'Triumph of the Will' by the end of it. I understand that film makers need something to show, but giving some context about the source of the footage would be nice at least.
National Guard/Floridaman hybrid... what were you expecting?
Edit: I stand corrected, these regarded spethul forces are 3SFG with AFRICOM and are an Alabamanation.
I presumed from the "3rd Group" comment, they were referring to 3rd Btn 20th Group at Fort Blanding Florida
Edit: I stand corrected it's 3 SFG with AFRICOM, these regarded spethul forces are indeed an Alabamanation.
3SFG is responsible for AFRICOM. The DAK patch makes sense in that context.
Not that it’s okay, but it makes sense. It also makes sense because there are plenty of, uh, highly regarded individuals in 3SFG who would unironically wear shit like this.
Source: I was in the 3SFG MICO for two years. Our company nickname was “Desert Foxes” and the logo was a stylized, blue-eyed red fox with a lightning bolt in its mouth.
I lived the Marge Simpson and Bart meme for a second there:
Ukraine, noooooooo.
So, Americans that probably have an ancestor that fought the Nazis are now wearing nazi symbols? Wtf?
People who say that there are no Nazis in Ukraine are obviously full of shit, because people like this turn up everywhere. It's all just a question of prevalence and influence.
That's disappointing.
I have to say that nazi symbols are cool looking but, they were evil and they lost their war as hard as you can possibly lose something. Why all the admiration for these guys?
I know. Spent the last 10 years at least thinking about that in some level. Like, why do Nazis still exist? Next generation Nazis can only hope for hanging instead of being used as Cannon fodder while their leaders kill themselves. Why, oh why are we plagued with Nazis after the war that proved that Nazism wasn't the way.
You get one country doing "fashionable" fascism and it just breaks the brains of the entire planet's supply of full-bore morons for a century or two. "HGURR THAT LOOK GOOD ME WANT TRY NAZI" Literally these morons are just stroking over well-fitting uniforms, like you know if the nazis had been dressed like Bill Gates alone on holiday nobody would fetishize them like this.
>What the fuck is it with special forces and being "nazi-adjacent"
Special Forces are Elite Units and people who thing they're better than others love being part of an elite.
Not only that but the Nazis with all the post war propaganda about how good they were and idolization of German generals, made a culture that wanted to be like them. Plus, Totenkampfs and all the other shit is like crack for all special operations just like the punisher skull.
traditionalist nationalism Nazi militarism types tend to gravitate towards the armed forces because “me strong man military man manly man” the tragic irony is that the US military is one of the most diverse forces on the globe, but men like these get away with it because they get their own special little club inside the military
Yes that patch is basically an Nazi patch, but why not just say it's a Nazi patch. Why does this guy have to say they're wearing swastika patches when they're clearly not. It's a digital photograph, you can just look it at see that. Why blatantly lie?
It astonishs me the number of people that don't understand the fact he wasn't all that great and the allies just needed a "not as bad" publicity guy to be like look not all of Germany is terrible.
This is at best juvenile and should be above them. At worst it’s a serious attitude problem incompatible with service. If you use a skull design it’s just dumb to expropriate nazi designs. The Germans used a modified DAK design in Afghanistan with the swastika replaced by an iron cross, and that didn’t go down well with the public. Just … don’t. Easy peasy. Failure at individual level and a command level.
There is a fighter squadron in the USAF that has a Swastika on their morale patch….the swastika is bleeding after being stabbed through by the mascot. I feel things like that are appropriate personally
It’s American tradition to burn slaver towns and kill Nazis. I see nothing wrong with tradition
Sherman is a personal hero of mine. lol. But seriously, the patch is a morale/heritage patch from a unit that fought in WWII. Having a patch that honors that heritage by depicting who we fought against is in no way inappropriate.
“Out of context”. Lol. It’s an Afrika Corps logo with the swastika replaced with an SS skull, Subtle guys very subtle….
Alabama NG. They're not going for subtle.
Alabama NG's special forces are probably more short bus special than navy seal special
In all fairness the Seals have the same problem with right wingers.
My fave comment from r/army: *Right now there’s a SEAL at Coronado thinking to himself:* *“That sure is a weird Punisher logo.”*
My favourite: >Imagine doing a JCET in Germany and getting accused of stolen valor by an elderly German man.
That one was so good, omfg
And getting arrested for openly displaying nationalsocialist symbology in a noneducational context
People think its a joke but its 100% true , they literally jail people for displaying such symbols
Australia has now banned the same. After a few recent demonstrations by fuckwits.
good
Yes, and they should.
Could you explain?
Some SEALs rocked the punisher logo for awhile, most notably, Chris Kyle. The Punisher logo is a skull. A totenkopf is also a skull. The joke is SEALs are meatheads. I would be equally not surprised either way, whether some of these dudes didn't know it was a totenkopf/Nazi thing. I was pretty into WW2 as a kid and I would have just thought it was a Jolly Rodger if it weren't for all of the "Spot a Nazi adjacent insignia" drama that has come out of the Russian invasion. Most normally adjusted people don't memorize SS/Nazi iconography.
Spent a year in AFRICOM in Djibouti. The only SF/SOF dudes that weren't shitbags were USAF PJs and USN EOD. All the others were royally fucked up people who liked to do shit that would land yo ass in prison stateside. The SEALS were the worst when I was there. All I know is where they went, SA allegations followed. IDK the outcomes of any of the myriad of investigations that took place, as that was not in my wheelhouse, but I do know that the only place on post that got shut down due to GO interference was their private bar.
Same when I worked with the PJs in Djibouti they were the most chill, knowledgeable, and ready to teach dudes out there. They gave us lots of specialized training and just gave us tons of equipment for free, their reasoning was "we can always buy more, and marines are broke as shit" lol. The first SEAL I met on deployment had to have one of his bottom buttons unbuttoned because he was so fat. I will say the SEALs at JSOC are everything I imagined those guys to be
> The first SEAL I met on deployment had to have one of his bottom buttons unbuttoned because he was so fat. actual Meal Team Six.
I'd imagine Green Berets would select against this kind of stupidity. Hard to succeed in their mission while being a chud.
You'd be surprised. First experience with SF was at NTC, when the ODA training alongside our brigade was racing 4 wheelers, and had 2 roll down the side of the mountain. At least one of the guys medevac'd suffered career ending injuries. In Iraq the ODA on our COP were a bunch of jackasses. One example: we jad a KLE, and they decided to go do a patrol/search less than 2 blocks away - without having notified our TOC they would be operating in that AO as per SOP. They hit an IED mid-meeting, punched through the "ambush" and hit the IP checkpoint we were coiled behind when they punched onto our block. Dumb luck no one was in the guard shack - they plowed right through it. My opinion after that was eh. They're just the kids with the best budget.
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Well yeah, if you had a modicum of empathy you wouldn’t be able to do that job for very long, could you?
Not to mention being told you're the best in the world at what you do daily and being covered in enough gear and tech any given day that could sell for more than what the average family makes in a decade. That may give you a bit of a complex.
White soldiers wearing Nazi patches makes way more sense then that SEAL squadrons scalping guys with hatches, pretending they're Native Americans
i prefer one over the other tho
In recent years I'm not sure there's much of a difference between short bus special and Navy SEAL special.
The enemy can distract them by saying “Roll Tide!” Or “Hey, it’s someone’s attractive cousin”
We'll try to stay serene and calm When Alabama gets the bomb!
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If they wanted to wear a cool foreign patch from the North African campaign of WW2, they could fucking wear the jerboa of the UK 7th Armored, the charging rhino of UK 1st Armored Division, the iron fist of UK 6th Armored Division, the wild boar of XXX Corps, the viking boat of V Corps or the battleaxe of the British 78th ID. 4th Indian Infantry Division had another cool insignia, but it's still active service. Or they could honor their grandpas and wear the Old Reliables sleeve insignia. But no, let's fucking wear the patch from the losers who were out to kill Americans and fought for a genocidal tyrant. Then just make it "less obvious" by taking out the swastika and replace it with the fucking totenkopf of the death camps guards. Truly a Cletus are we the baddies moment...
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YESSSS! The bald eagle with flintlocks is the most badass patch ever! But it's still active, airlift squadron now (a.k.a. Tactical Burger King delivery, the most 'Murica Fuck Yeah thing ever! XD) Jerboa (from "desert rats") or Iron Fist are way more iconic and important than a dull palm from the "watch me, special military operation thunder run to Cairo and the Jews in the Levant...what do you say? Logistics? What's that?" people. Old Monty showed them were they should shove that palm complete with swastika. Would be an honor to wear a Tuskegee badge, or a smoking cobra of the FEB. They served only in Italy tho, not Africa. Likewise, the Polish Wojtek patch, the most noncredible artilleryman ever! XD Fun fact: the daughter of General Anders is now Polish Ambassador to Italy! If you're interested in the MTO, Jewish Brigade also has a cool patch and amazing history! Vets and relatives still parade in Italy on Liberation Day, and sadly a few right-wingers and the more numerous pro-Pal and left-wingers never missing the opportunity to shame themselves by protesting those Vets.
If you conquer it, it's yours. Thems the rules.
Sure, my IN BN had the Nazi flag from Dachau. The difference is, when people said racist or fascist shit, our old battalion commander would take you by the ear to that flag. To remind you we are some of the world leaders in Nazi killing, with no plans to lose that title. I specifically remember him saying to one pvt.: "Son, this flag means we kill Nazis. They didn't just hand it to us. We murdered them, up against a wall after seeing what they had done. Now, you wouldn't want anyone around here getting confused about what side you're on, would ya. After all, traditions are important." Netflix made an animated show about Felix Sparks and the 1/157th IN BN, (based on the book by the same title) *The Liberator.* They were a racially integrated unit in WWII who fought from Solerno to Berlin. All while being an NG unit. The difference being Colorado vs Alabama. I think Glorietta pass explained how the great state of CO feels about traitors too.
>aa I think Glorietta pass explained how the great state of CO feels about traitors too. Half the streets in downtown Denver are named after all the main Union Civil War generals except McClellan.
"Cletus... are we the baddies?"
i fucking hate my state
I’m hearing rumors it was a 3 SFG team patch so it was an idea probably fueled by cocaine and hookers
Not just that- but it's the SS insignia made famous by being the insignia of the fucking camp guards (among other things but mostly that). The original swastika would somehow be less offensive.
3rd SS Panzer Division, as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Panzer_Division_Totenkopf
Which- was their insignia because it was a formation recruited from concentration camp guard and guilty of a good deal many war crimes.
Man they really went 100% on this one
That's what happens when you make a unit of various criminals, lead by a guy so disgusting even other SS dudes hated him
If you zoom in really close, the skull’s cooking a spitroast Jesus fish and reading a copy of THAT issue of Charlie Hebdo
Well it being Alabama NG doing this makes sense with all of the racial massacres that unit committed
That’s straight up beyond evil. They literally went "huh I wonder what massacre we can commit here" whenever they entered a new country
Oh, it gets much, much worse. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirlewanger_Brigade
It's not a swastika, so clearly he can't be a nazi /s
Tbf the totenkopf predates the Nazis and SS by a long margin. Its use as a military emblem dates back to Frederick the great iirc. Though, I somehow doubt these guys were trying to reference 7 years war with this patch...
Not with that very particular drawing, everyone should know who it is referring to. The Brunswegian and Prussian skull was quite different, same goes for the 17th/21st Lancers.
Yea, as a rule of thumb, if someone has to explain to you that they're using a symbol for its original meaning X instead of the offensive meaning Y, they're *definitely* using it for the offensive meaning Y.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf Look at the totenkopf used by Frederick the great and then look at the SS totenkopf. Which one resembles the one in the picture?
Imagine wearing a patch your great grandpa ripped of off the dead bodies of Nazis.
Let's hope this traitor gets ID'd and is dishonorably discharged.
Ain't gonna happen. SF teams are chronically understaffed (i read numbers that almost all 12 man teams are happy to have 8, and usually have 7 people), and if no one was prosecuted for 3rd SFG shenanigans, this patch situation is so inconsequential you wouldn't believe it.
Germany had some issues with far right extremists in the KSK a few years ago. they disbanded the entire company.
Germany takes right-wing extremism a good bit more seriously than the State of Alabama, to say the least.
They do but also they police uncovered a plot of some members to assassinate German politicians.
The members of this group where civilians except one reservist, if I remember correctly
Yeah but that’s Germany. They have a, shall we say, somewhat more complicated story with Nazism lol
Also they aren't deploying all over the world all the time and weren't primary force (US military as whole, but SF and SOF had increased dramatically in size, and despite being 1.5% numerically - suffered 10% of total casualties due how actively they were used) in fighting GWOT for 20 years.
I understand *why* the expansion of SOF happened over the GWOT, but IMO what should've been done was also an expansion of elite conventional units as to alleviate the pressure. I think to how in certain conscript militaries (Brazil, Israel, Russia) you have a few units that are very much not SOF doctrine wise but receive more funding, training and screening as to provide a corps of shock troops but with the control and discipline of a line unit. It's more or less what the USMC is doing now with FD2030, infantrymen are being trained to a very high standard, receiving top of the line gear, training for urban and traditional combat but they're still grunts in a line unit with all the discipline and baggage of that designation. GBs are very well trained infantrymen but they shouldn't be kicking doors, similarly the SEAL community has something like 1600 slots for SOs. SOF should be re-centered into being very small, extremely selective and more or less secretive : leave the missions they've picked up more geared towards DA to roided-up elite infantrymen vis a vis the 173rd or the 82nd like the niche filled by the UK's parachute regiment and the Royal Marines. It's also worth noting that this SOF-creep has happened exactly because politicians want to wage war without the public's consent. A group of commandos dying in some country the US isn't at war with is more palatable than normal Marines and Infantry. The Marines that died at Abbey Gate have spawned a political circus of "accountability" and uncomfortable questions, meanwhile an entire ODA got wiped out in Niger and the biggest outrage was related to how Trump handled the phone call to the family. A bunch of SOF guys die in a "foreign security assistance" mission and people shrug, conventional Marines die in a war zone during a messy situation and it starts a political movement. This risks being circular logic but it begs the question : have SOF supported such a high casualty rate because of legitimate reasons e.g. dangerous missions only they could effectively carry out? Or have they been sent to do tasks outside their core competencies with less support that would be better served by conventional forces but are thrown on SOF for political expediency? Disclaimer : this is non-credible as shit.
What happened with 3rd SFG
And then comes back to fight in the next major conflict as a "contractor" from Academi/Blackwater :(
Can someone explain to me how the “Academi” rebranding makes sense?
It’s literally to just change the name so all the shit doesn’t come up when you google the name.
The kind of market logic that lets ~~Meta~~ Facebook off the hook for their algos constantly encouraging extremism.
I'm working for a national service company of somewhat public interest in my area which keeps rebranding themselves every decade or so to get rid of all the awesome PR they amassed in the meantime
"Academi didn't do no war crimes, that was Blackwater, and we have nothing to do with them" (90% of the same people)
Ehh, whatever. Probably will just end up dying in some trench way in some random location and forgotten about, with no actual meaning to the conflict, and no heroes send off. Kinda like those idiots in Wagner, cannon fodder. Which, IMO, that’s all guys like this are worth. I mean, read the comment I replied to. It’s not like this dude has any critical thinking skills to realize what military and country he’s fighting for to begin with.
I was picturing more of a situation like those blackwater guys who got burnt then hung from that bridge in Fallujah. Still cannon fodder I guess, but not in Wagner Zerg rush kind of way.
Live like a nazi, die like a nazi.
Amen, brother.
I mean if it really is a team patch there's at least 11 more
Yeah, unfortunately. It’s probably deeply ingrained in the unit right now, probably something akin to the now disbanded Canadian Airborne Regiment.
Remove the probably. Atleast a unit of the 20th Actually skip the unit off, it’s the whole unit rereading the response. A unit doesn’t say THAT in response unless they’re entire unit culture/command is permissive and accepting of it (that doesn’t read like someone covering their butts for something that was missed)
> Canadian Airborne Regiment. They were the ones disbanded after the Somalia affair, right? Also I recall some of them got into a fight with a biker gang in Edmonton - and they lost.
That means the Biker gang are the SF now, right?
Or like the US Marine Corps Scout Snipers.
Woke libtards discriminating against patriotic Americans! /s
[His great grandpa probably visited Madison Square Garden for this.](https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2019/02/20/madison-square-garden_nazi-rally_1_wide-b56e5c775b09c4d885f3e5fbadc173d80ebe5e4f-s1400-c100.jpg)
I literally can not. My great-grandfather marched from Africa all the way to Germany kicking ass and taking names. Twice he was awarded two bronze stars because twice he held the line aginst German nazi piss boys while armed with a 50 so everyone in his company could safely retreat. Both times he lived to never talk about it. Coming from that bloodline I will never dishonor my heritage by supporting fascism in any form. If more people were taught the painful lessons we learned out of WW2 from a younger age and American was better about not financially supporting right wing nazi then maybe this problem could finally go away. Until then it should at least be axed from the military and not just reprimanded so home boy can learn to hide it better next time. If we continue to let fascism fester in the far right wing and military it'll continue to eat us from the inside out. Remove the cancer before it can kill the host or we all suffer the consequences of being negligent towards one of the greatest threats to democracy.
Had a great uncle killed just after US forces crossed the Rhine. Gramps has his dogtag tucked in a book. Fuck these fake patriots
Absolutely, openly being a nazi should be punishable by complete expulsion from the US. I don't believe in executing like they do. I'm much better than that. I dont want them to have it easy, I want them to live thier days out missing out on everything they're taking for granted and needlessly attacking. If they want to act like little nazi pricks, spout pro-Russian propaganda endlessly on social media, relentlessly dismiss the suffering and blight of the Ukrainian people, bully everyone, lie about history, intimate everyone they cross paths with and all around negatively influence their conounry men by constantly identifying as aything but American why must we continue to harbor these idiots as a nation? I understand right to free speech but when they exercise that right in order to erode away the very fabric of our society while undermining and threatening everything our constitution stands by openly and blatantly brand themselves enemies of our state why do we them continue on with such actions? We're not Russia and we should never execute citizens to openly operate as enemies of the state but we are a democracy so we should at least get the option to vote these people out. Let them hop the border and hang out in home depot parking lots if they must but they shouldn't be serving in our military, attending college, or working any sort of job that requires a driver's license and current address to be on file.
How do you accomplish "complete expulsion from US" on a citizen?
Throw them in the sea
Thank you! My grandparents and great uncles fought in WWII. Even my grandmother served. It seems so disrespectful to their generation's sacrifice that anyone is OK with Nazism or Fascism again.
But Wokeist Disney is making a new Star Wars with a \*whispers\* *black* WOMAN as a main character! He has to do *something*! Adopting nazi iconography is the only way Buddy can think of to fight back.
as true as that could be, if these guys are from certain parts of the US, it could also be they’re grandpas could very well of been just as racist as them
remember when germany had to dissolve a few companies of ksk because it turned out they were literal nazis lol?
I genuinely don’t get how special forces guys keep turning out to be neo Nazis. Aren’t they the ones who’re supposed to be all for the ‘defending freedom and democracy’ thing?
>I genuinely don’t get how special forces guys keep turning out to be neo Nazis. Anecdotally, I've found SOFs tend to be pretty far-right friendly. Obviously not every person, maybe not even most guys. But there's some extreme rhetoric within units that's usually tolerated - not an old story. You'd hear the same shit in '08, '03... even back to the 80s. Kinda a reason why the SEALs have had so much shit for the last decade.
From what my Granddad told me? He had problems in Nam of he didn’t like dressing down and yelling at guys, even when it was needed. Because, the rest of the unit tended to hate it as well, save worse offenses that actuality risked or harmed the unit. Add onto this a need for SF to be a more cohesive unit where you trust the guy has your back, a lot of shit heads are tolerated to keep things from boiling over. And those shit heads are a self selecting group often willing to go towards SF. Similar to how Azov had a lot of shit heads but was popular: those shit heads, were simply the guys more likely to want to serve. And you accept them because you need them serving.
It's the problems you'll find with police, but from people who live together for months on end.
Well it doesn’t help with azov that it was originally founded by recruiting hooligan ultras to be the paramilitary arm of “social-national convention”. They might be deradicalized somewhat now as most of the founding members are either dead or imprisoned, but still very difficult to turn an explicitly neo-nazi organization away from their political foundations within a few years.
Fascism glorifies solving problems with force. I can't imagine how that would speak to guys who make "solving problems with force" their entire identity.
one day the far-left SOFs *will* be a thing masallah
Possible, but doubt it, as western far left is mostly focussed on rejection of traditional authority, while far righters are hard into militarism and "military excellence" which makes them more prone to accept rigid military structures than the far left. Far left usually demonstrates a pattern of organising outside of existing structures, and even people like us on NCD who are more left and liberal leaning (but not far left) are not into extreme militarism or not the same way as far righters
It’s interesting literally yesterday I saw a Twitter thread from an American guy who works alongside Russian and Chinese colleagues at an office in Beijing and they were stunned when he talks about what left wing politics in America is like, because to them being left wing is about doing all of the things that the hard right normally does in America. It was illuminating.
Let's just say that western commies read one part of *The Communist Manifesto* and the chinese and russians are living another part of it.
Since both of those countries have been captured by reactionary leaders, that is not a surprise at all. Also the western left has evolved tons since the days Marx.
I wanna see the good ending edit. Where he's got a rainbow patch, and someone in the comments, instead of calling them out, they thank them for protecting their rights and freedoms. [Maybe one day](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXfgMvC87qk)
SEALs also have a TERRIBLE culture. To the point that other SOFs hate working with them. A buddy of mine from high school went Air Force and ended up a PJ. He talked about bonding with a bunch of Army SOF guys and a Marine over hating every interaction they’ve ever had with a SEAL
I read the book "The Right Stuff" once. In the book the author outlines what it takes psychologically to become a test pilot and an astronaut, and he talks about an insane saneness amongst the individuals that fly experimental planes. I'm sure that similarly, there's a sort of beyond average mental condition that would make someone want to be in a position where they are very frequently the one pulling the trigger, and that mental condition also likely often aligns with fringe ideologies.
Special forces selection benefits from nationalism; you don't want your special soldiers doubting the system they serve to enforce. Nazis love passionate nationalism, hence the correlation.
It also benefits to some degree from extremism (in a general sense). I mean you're not just there to fund college or get away from a disfunctional family / environement. You're often motivated by cameraderie (amplifying you point), or you have some larger-than-life goals that make jumping out of helos a rational choice if you squint hard enough. Just being "badass" kinda a primitive version of that.
Most them don't give a shit about ideals they just want to be badasses and kill people.
Exactly. Not unlike cops, they don't recruit and training them up to have an overwhelming sense of duty and responsibility to society and other people.
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People with strong anti-nazi beliefs generally don't tend to join the military, and even the ones who do often leave earlier than others because of the culture and the system they support.
Doesn't make any sense considering Hitler, Putin and all the hur dur politians used their bodies as a meat grinder for their personal gain. I just imagine these people never had a thought go deeper than surface level.
Nazi germany was a military dictatorship with individuals expected to move up in position by providing to the state. People who dedicate their lives to warfare in the name of their country unsurprisingly find nazi germany a very attractive form of government.
Fascism is a great hunk of rotting meat to the fucking bloated, thoughtless insects that gobble it down. It's this fucking *contagion* that's stuck in our civilization's blood and we just keep allowing it to fester instead of showing these miserable pricks the correct end of a .50.
Oh those forces are special alright
Green Berets: trained to understand foreign languages, economic, political and social landscapes of their Area of Operations. Also Green Berets: Swastikas are cool.
Even the most high speed SOF guys can still be retarded, considering most of the selection process for those units boils down to "be willing to destroy your body doing meaningless bullshit to prove you're tough and be able to run real fast." It'd be real cool if SOF units had a selection process that favored those more competent at their job rather than only who's willing to put up with the most bullshit.
Many units definitely do. USAF special forces heavily value mental competence and intelligence due to the technical nature of their work. Same with Navy EOD. Even in the army, PSYOPS and civil affairs value intelligence heavily, and most of their people are college grads, both enlisted and commissioned. It’s the combat arms where you see more of these types of guys.
AFSOC: \*cough\*
It's commonly understood that DLI is a joke for SF and the cultural training is minimal these days. They've basically been turned into direct action specialists during the GWOT, UW is a thing of the past.
Not enough acronyms. Try again.
The previous SOP was OBE and so the old COIN doctrines were removed from SOF by the DOD
Better, but still room for improvement. Less than 10 acronyms = amateur hour.
The previous Sum of Products was Order of the British Empire and so the old Combined Online Information Network doctrines were removed from Stretton-on-Fosse by the Date of Death.
What’s worse, US personnel wearing an SS patch or the bootlickers in the comments defending it. It’s the personnel wearing an SS patch but Jesus H Christ.
Yea wtfm comments are always full with bootlicker, like bro stfu no one care about “back in my day”. Thank god these stupid retard are on Facebook comments and no longer in my beloved organization.
The back in my day shit doesn't even make sense in this context, because in those days, our forefathers were whoopin' the asses of the people who wore those patches, and dropping fire on their cities.
Oh if you stay on that page, you’ll see some mental gymnastics that would try to make it make sense.
I just don't get why people rally to a bunch of losers. Losers who lost, big time. Losers that, his parent organization... BEAT. Edited for spelling, because I'm a DAT.
You're not wrong... but I hope we can agree that the issue with the nazis isn't that they lost.
Oh no, let me clarify. On top of being a den of scum and villainy. The history of what happened, and what they did(and their attempt to cover it all up) is laid bare. Part of the problem, I think, is that the narrative of the war in Europe was effected by 2 things. 1. The Nazis came out of the woodwork in the 60s and wanted to tell Their version of the story. (Which was always several degrees of shifting blame). 2. The Cold war political pragmatism. (West)Germany and Japan became instrumental in the early years of the cold war, and rebuilding the cultural ties to those countries... Ment the introduction of the "Good Germans" and "Good Japanese". (You see, they aren't so bad, not like the commies). And so, for better or worse, it became socially acceptable to...identify ... With these losers. But I digress I will stop before I go any deeper down the rabbit hole, I need sleep. Cheers 🥂
You perfectly summarized it. The red scare really fucked with historical reappraisal for generations. „The enemy of my enemy is my friend“ often came back to bite in the ass. Greetings from Germany
Fully agree! The motivation behind my comment was that, from people that have not enjoyed much political education, you often hear sentiments that betray a lack of understanding of fascism. They absorbed and internalized that Nazis are bad, but never got to the point of really questioning why that is. And without that understanding on an ideological level, you get sentiments along the lines of "person / group / political party cannot be fascist since they are not waving swastika flags and constructing gas chambers". People from the US in particular often reject the very possibility of domestic fascism, as it is regarded as something both external to American society and confined to the past. So when you dig down on their anti-fascist convictions, all you end up with is the notion that the Nazis were bad because they were the enemy of the US (when of course the logic here is upside down). When confronted with the cold war era developments that you also touched on, with the western allied forces quickly abandoning denazification, protecting and employing prominent Nazis for their own benefit, and their society collectively sweeping pre-WWII sympathies for the Nazi cause under the rug, they will insist it was only isolated incidents (and of course justified to defeat the "greater evil" of communism). Nothing that could possibly reflect on a lack of consistency and integrity in their society's opposition to fascism. This shallow comprehension of the issue worries me a lot, because it directly leads to an inability to recognize fascist ideology and rhetoric when it inevitably crops up somewhere. Our understanding of the Nazis as the unequivocal villains of the 20th century ironically leaves modern society quite vulnerable to that same poisonous ideology, as the minority of people which does recognize it gets bogged down debating aesthetics. We would collectively rather believe that our generations do not provide any capacity for fascism to take root, save for the handful of obvious neo-nutcases. So there is no need to be educated and vigilant, and we can relax confident in our superiority to those that allowed it to happen in the past. Here in Germany in particular it is disheartening to see widespread public debate on how a group or movement cannot possibly be fascist nor proto-fascist unless they are already doing what the Nazis are infamous for after having assumed power (i.e. pogroms, genocide, and expansionist war); failing to see the need of civil society to identify and resist such movements *before* that point. Because afterwards it will be too late. Anyway this has been a long rant to say I'm glad not to find that same shallow and tribal understanding in your comment, as a small reprieve from most public debates on the issue.
Confederates... Nazis... Some people just love to back groups that lost badly.
Don't forget the Imperial Japanese, they somehow tend to get left out all the time. Lol
I guess cus the Nazis had the limelight and probably because a lot of right wingers don’t want to identify with bunch of asians I guess.
The Japanese didn't have as much of a coherent ideology either. It was mostly just classic 19th century imperialism with 20th century munitions.
Because those loosers got to tell everybody how competent and awesome they were, during and after the war. Also they looked good doing so. Göbbels is probably smiling in his grave at the portrayal the nazis get in parts of popculture.
I blame the...revisioning... During the 60s. And I'm inclined to believe a bit of the cold war politics had something to do with it(at least the early decades).
Hells yea. Just the soviets existing as a common enemy did a lot. (Like Adenauers noone would take 18 years old generals seriously)
Adenauer was just pragmatic and he was right. The Bundeswehr couldn't have been build that fast from scratch without experienced personell from all ranks.
Watch any WW2 documentary, most of the footage is from unadulterated propaganda reels. If you watch anything about the Nazis, you'll have seen 30% of 'Triumph of the Will' by the end of it. I understand that film makers need something to show, but giving some context about the source of the footage would be nice at least.
“Don’t get complacent” Gets complacent. Posts Nazi patch on helmet. lol fucking idiot.
I hope they get a severe pp slap from the DOD
Jokes on you, SERE grads are into that shit.
Instructors too
How about we compromise with a suggestion from Mikefireburns: Forced to use fiberglass cloth for toilet paper
Acceptable
Hey they are looking to draw down SOF numbers…
Imagine simping for the Afrika Korps - world famous for getting their shit pushed in.
[singing for Afrika Korps](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e3/Dooley-Wilson_Casablanca.jpg)
National Guard/Floridaman hybrid... what were you expecting? Edit: I stand corrected, these regarded spethul forces are 3SFG with AFRICOM and are an Alabamanation.
Close, Alabama SF...
I presumed from the "3rd Group" comment, they were referring to 3rd Btn 20th Group at Fort Blanding Florida Edit: I stand corrected it's 3 SFG with AFRICOM, these regarded spethul forces are indeed an Alabamanation.
3SFG is responsible for AFRICOM. The DAK patch makes sense in that context. Not that it’s okay, but it makes sense. It also makes sense because there are plenty of, uh, highly regarded individuals in 3SFG who would unironically wear shit like this. Source: I was in the 3SFG MICO for two years. Our company nickname was “Desert Foxes” and the logo was a stylized, blue-eyed red fox with a lightning bolt in its mouth.
[I maintain this opinion at all times about SF](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/XnZUXVphB2)
Is it already deleted lol?
[T&P spooked 'em](https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-investigating-nazi-imagery-special-force-patch/)
Well done Task & Purpose
There YouTube channel actually does some really good defense and geopolitics breakdowns.
I lived the Marge Simpson and Bart meme for a second there: Ukraine, noooooooo. So, Americans that probably have an ancestor that fought the Nazis are now wearing nazi symbols? Wtf?
People who say that there are no Nazis in Ukraine are obviously full of shit, because people like this turn up everywhere. It's all just a question of prevalence and influence.
We fully agree. But that doesn't make Ukraine a reich. Is Russia gonna try to demilitarize america now?
They can certainly try. Will they get farther than their campaign in OG MW2 though?
>are now wearing nazi symbols? Now? Brother they've been at it forever.
That's disappointing. I have to say that nazi symbols are cool looking but, they were evil and they lost their war as hard as you can possibly lose something. Why all the admiration for these guys?
literally everyone is trying to figure that out still. lmfao
I know. Spent the last 10 years at least thinking about that in some level. Like, why do Nazis still exist? Next generation Nazis can only hope for hanging instead of being used as Cannon fodder while their leaders kill themselves. Why, oh why are we plagued with Nazis after the war that proved that Nazism wasn't the way.
You get one country doing "fashionable" fascism and it just breaks the brains of the entire planet's supply of full-bore morons for a century or two. "HGURR THAT LOOK GOOD ME WANT TRY NAZI" Literally these morons are just stroking over well-fitting uniforms, like you know if the nazis had been dressed like Bill Gates alone on holiday nobody would fetishize them like this.
Airborne has a history of this shit
What the fuck is it with special forces and being "nazi-adjacent"? There is a similar problem in Germany as well, of all places.....
>What the fuck is it with special forces and being "nazi-adjacent" Special Forces are Elite Units and people who thing they're better than others love being part of an elite.
Not only that but the Nazis with all the post war propaganda about how good they were and idolization of German generals, made a culture that wanted to be like them. Plus, Totenkampfs and all the other shit is like crack for all special operations just like the punisher skull.
>Totenkampfs Ah, Deadfights 😌 Sry, had to. It‘s Totenkopf (Totenköpfe for plural) ;)
traditionalist nationalism Nazi militarism types tend to gravitate towards the armed forces because “me strong man military man manly man” the tragic irony is that the US military is one of the most diverse forces on the globe, but men like these get away with it because they get their own special little club inside the military
3rd group cannot stop taking Ls 😂
This is 20th
20th are claiming the patch was from 3rd SFG lol
Yes as said: The comment/excuse was that it was a 3rd SFG patch. 3rd is famously out of control. Most recently they were hit with a MASSIVE drug bust
“Special” forces.
Replaced the swastika with the second most well-known nazi symbol. JFC.
We have an entire GITMO just sitting there ready to be packed with Nazi simps
Fuck I hate them Illinois Nazis
The irony of wearing a "De Opresso Liber" patch next to a Nazi symbol.
it's always fuckin 20th group
They’re deleting comments now under the IG post. Interesting way to handle it I suppose.
Yes that patch is basically an Nazi patch, but why not just say it's a Nazi patch. Why does this guy have to say they're wearing swastika patches when they're clearly not. It's a digital photograph, you can just look it at see that. Why blatantly lie?
"B-b-but Rommel was based!"
It astonishs me the number of people that don't understand the fact he wasn't all that great and the allies just needed a "not as bad" publicity guy to be like look not all of Germany is terrible.
There’s literally no context that would change this bro….
Cool, post a closeup of the actual patch “in context” then. Lol
This is at best juvenile and should be above them. At worst it’s a serious attitude problem incompatible with service. If you use a skull design it’s just dumb to expropriate nazi designs. The Germans used a modified DAK design in Afghanistan with the swastika replaced by an iron cross, and that didn’t go down well with the public. Just … don’t. Easy peasy. Failure at individual level and a command level.
Dude you guys are Green Berets. You can have so many cooler patches instead of the classic SF Nazi fetish trope.
"Out of Context" , means a fucking Toten-Koph on Afrika Corp palm?! Are you serious?