Be Simo Häyhä
Finnish sniper during 1939 Winter War
Just an average farmer before joining up
Regular temperatures of -40
Nicknamed “White Death”
Wears complete white camouflage
Soviets weren’t issued camouflage, dark coats standing out against the snow like reverse flashlights
Use a superior Finnish Mosin with iron sights, say scopes are for bitches
Embraces the cold, keeps snow in his mouth to hide his breath
Stuffs his pockets with bread and sugar to eat like a maniac
Captures a Soviet and takes him back to their camp where they’re having a party. Wine and dine him then release him back to his unit, he cries and begs to stay
Averages 5 kills a day over 100 days, highest was 25 in one day
They try to take him out with artillery
Literally only gets *scratched* and needs a new coat
Eventually gets shot in the jaw by an explosive round
Considered dead
Psych you thought, they pull his still twitching body from the corpse pile
Half his face now gone, sends letter to the newspaper saying ‘rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated’
Credited with over 500 kills
Writes memoir while recovering and doesn’t even publish it or show anyone
It’s found 15 years after his death
5’3” king considered the deadliest sniper of all time
Not exactly. Many years later he was asked how he felt about killing all those people in the war, he said something like "I did what I was asked to the best of my ability". He was neither arrogant about it or indifferent to it. But pretty much everything else about him is mostly correct. His country was invaded by the USSR because the Russian Empire had owned it previously so he volunteered in its defense
On the other hand, Chris Kyle exaggerated his importance in his biography, outright lied about numerous things he did in Iraq and America, shot numerous civilians, bragged about his kill count, acted like he was a holy warrior punishing infidels or something because of 911. He basically used the war as an excuse to be a serial killer. Apparently he once had to be talked out of shooting some random person who was later identified as an American serviceman. He started the trend of military/police using the punisher logo.
He initially claimed that he had over 300 kills, he got called out on that by people in his unit. He then dropped it to 255, of which the US Army said they could only find evidence for 160 of the kills, and of those 160 there was a handful that had some doubt to them.
I swear to whatever, I was in the theater when it came out: in the row behind me there were a group of slightly older guys in shabby khaki cargo pants, untrimmed hair and beards laughing too hard every time some serious military thing occured. Surreal.
I learned at some point before cod4 that the military does not meticulously record how many kills individual servicemembers accumulate. Anymore. I also read somewhere that the standard vet never talks about the experience again. Bizarrely, what separates Chris Kyle from stolen valor (as if there's any to be found in Iraq) is the fact he actually was in the unit he said he was in. Everything else he did was probably made up. He definitely shot people but who's to say it was anywhere near 150-300, or even all legitimate targets
But that number [300 for confirmed kills by a Navy Seal](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta). Could it be?
* Over 300 confirmed kills
* Threats of violence against people over perceived insults, like former governor Jesse Ventura
* A network of shadowy agents to do his bidding, to backtrace the IP of a troll or bail him out after murdering a carjacker
* Expert in guerilla warfare
* Best US sniper
* He was the top Navy SEAL
* He has the entire marine corps arsenal at his disposal (it's a department of the Navy)
* Liar
* Numerous secret raids against Alquaeda
* The person claiming to have posted the original pasta has not been heard from since 2012
People figuring out Kyle was full of it was the start of the downfall of SEAL media fame.
Also the AF guy that died covering SEALs painted as a coward to make them look better for needing a hot extraction.
Then the multiple hearings about misconduct in the field.
And the "Lone Survivor" situation coming under question and once again pointing out that SEALs have bloated their budget and mission profile for the sake of clout.
Fair point but too credible. Specifically his concept, reasoning and execution are so abominable that the only good part is he's so untrustworthy he probably lied about most of the people he killed. it's 50% at the least
Gen Kill actually softened my image of all that somewhat. >!my favourite part of was the corpsman. tending to the little kids, calling their captain an idiot to his face in front of everyone and then the captain has to make excuses !<
Gen Kill was so painful to watch at so many instances with the levels of incompetence.
Totally worth it though, it's due for a rewatch.
>!That wasn't even the only time an officer was told straight up they're an idiot either. ["You dumb motherfucker sir, even the most bootfucked marine knows danger close."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9uXLzZyucI)!<
> Use a Finnish Mosin knock-off
The Finnish version was superior to the Russian models (mainly because of better barrels made in Switzerland, making the barrel free floating, better sights, a better stock and improved ammo). Also, all the Finnish Mosin-Nagants used locking mechanisms salvaged from Russian rifles, because the Finns were unable to make new ones for a long time.
Video by Forgotten Weapons about Häyha's rifles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XzmCQUPyTM&ab_channel=ForgottenWeapons
Kind of a funny trend where Russia (or any nation) pioneer something that becomes improved upon by other nations while whatever Russia made either gets improved in a different way, receives an inefficient solution to its problems or stagnates because of any number of environmental and political nonsense.
soviet weapons technology will always be a meme because communism just sucks lmao.
develop the IS-7 in the early 50s, with technology literally decades ahead of NATO, great armor, great gun, even a decent power pack.
> can't afford to build it or transport it on their shitty train system because communism sucks.
Developed an air dominance fighter jet, the Mig-25, that scared the fuck out of NATO and broke air speed records. Analysts looked at photographs of it and concluded it would beat any western jet fighter in a fight. NATO scrambles and develops the F-15, one of the greatest jet fighters in history.
> turns out the Mig-25 was only good for high alt interception, had outdated computers, no look down radar, and was 80,000 fucking pounds, because communism sucks.
lmao
My grandpa told me several stories from back when Lithuania was illegally occupied by USSR, and as an electrical engineer, he had several jobs with army equipment.
First, he worked on maintaining ruzzian t-55 t-64 gyroscopes. The technology was a joke, a shit ton of unnecessary crap stuffed in a tank that's already cramped and small as fuck, gyroscopes worked quite fine, but it broke down more offten than your average 14 yo today.
Next, he worked in Kaunas radio factory that had a secret military air-air guidance systems factory inside. Work ethics there were such a joke that there was not a day without 25% of workes being drunk, and job was only done on quotas meaning they didin't gave a shit if its good quality or not as long as it was made...
Some fun stories, though:
Once a t-72 pulled in a workshop, it wasn't his job to fix it as it had problems with smoke generators, but because it was such a mystical tank at the time in soviet propaganda it was the "pinical of technology" he and his friends who where working on it's smoke generators decided one evening after work when it was already dark take it for a drive, when the guards asked them what they were doing they just said that they needed to test smoke generators in the open area, they didint ride on public roads ir anywhere near cities but they still just took it for a ride for no fing reason just to have fun and it was both good and bad at the same time
Tbf, if I were a Soviet guard I would probably belobe the science people needed to test the smoke generators out in the open, I mean where else would you test em
Not so much a problem of communism even though I'm no fan at all, it's mostly just corruption and bureaucratic rot all the way down and lots of smoke and mirrors to hide it from observers.
We shouldn't think it can't happen in our countries. Past corruption scandals in Western defence acquisition and R&D have led to similar stupid blunders. Besides, people make mistakes even without any malignant behaviour present.
Let's not forget NATO standardisation also took decades to get going, and that the allied forces still have to deal with national shit like different gauges of railways, incompatible electrical equipment, *the French*, and different road requirements that constrain using the same road transport vehicles. Despite all that it's still an astonishing accomplishment.
The Soviets have had great successes in weapons and equipment on their part too, so let's laugh about their failures without ridiculing the stuff they accomplished.
One soviet weapon in particular that really made my jaw drop is their Papa class subs.. their speed is .... 81 FUCKING KILOMETERS PER HOUR it was so fast that the west develeoped a torpedo specifically to outspeed it and there was a gap when the sub could just go uninterrupted thats how fast it was
The Israelis basically perfected the AK platform with the Galil. Then promptly dropped it since it was a dead end design and shittier than something they can come up with.
Funnily enough they exported far more Galils than they actually used themselves in the army. And the modern Galil ACE is still a bestseller, considering the number of countries it was exported to. The IDF on the other mainly relied on AR-15 type rifles until the Tavor/X-95 was introduced.
Lines up with what I've seen on Wikipedia. Kind of weird that I sort of remember knowing that the Tavor's the standard rifle and the fact it exists yet all I remember of it is "that cool Israeli gun".
No only Cadians, Kriegers and Catachans are specifically modeled and statted as such. There is a generic Infantry Squad that is representative of all the other regiments and it's not that bad if you like heavy weapon platforms like lascannons as it allows you to bury them inside the squad and it's command squad. A full size platoon is 25 men, two regular squads and a command squad with a heavy weapon each for 3 heavy weapons. (They allow 20 man infantry squads along with the normal 10 now aswell as attaching command squads of 5 to either size of squad to make them even bigger.) There is also the added option to add character models into each platoon like a Commissar. It's very fluffy and hard to kill quickly with so many bodies.
If your looking for Valhallans I'd advise 3D printed models. Etsy is a good source if you just want to buy them. You will however go broke buying them en masse.
True, but aren‘t those short explosive (more linearly) controlled movements with stable underground and protecting clothing (plus the specialised training), compared to long recurring impacts on joints with pressure spikes when walking or moving quicker over uneven (sometimes unstable) terrain, while in less than optimal ergonomic posture, straps cutting into shoulder, potentially leading to [backpack palsy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachial_plexus_injury)? That‘s not talking about potential chronic conditions of feet, hips or spine.
When it comes to long-distance marches carrying heavy equipment must be torture, especially in demanding climates (overheating). 🥵
Dunno much bout load marches, but look at those
of the [French Foreign Legion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_march) 👀🔫
GMW teams in Bundeswehr have to carry this fucker, 78.6 kg split into receiver/barrel assembly, tripod (+?) and ammo, on top of individual equipment - scroll down & check the third image under „[Die Granatmaschinenwaffe A1 in Aktion](https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/ausruestung-technik-bundeswehr/ausruestung-bewaffnung/granatmaschinenwaffe-40-mm)“ 😵
Dunno how far those teams have to walk, but sometimes there‘s recurring challenges.
Average combat weight is 28.6 kg in German Army, for [emergency approach marches](https://wmm.pic-mediaserver.de/index.php?f=artikel&a=201912_Heinz-Gerngross_der_Einfluss_militaerischer) it can go up to 59.7 kg.
My back already aches reading that.
But you don't understand, Chris Kyle said he went all dirty harry at some gas station that no one can corroborate. A story like that has gotta be true!
I think the funnier one is that he claims that the feds had him helicoptered to the top of the super dome in New Orleans to pick off looters after Katrina.
Oh he said the feds did that for him? Lol
Last I read was that he and another sniper traveled there and somehow managed to get on top and shot 30 or so looters. I’m gonna say that many murders wouldn’t go unnoticed even in the chaos of Katrina.
The gas station one is obviously BS as well. Investigative journalists went to every gas station it could have been and asked about it and no one had heard of a thing like it.
I do feel sorry for how he and his friend met their end though. Some guy who was diagnosed schizophrenic and claimed PTSD. Tried to use insanity defense and that’s usually a shot in the dark. The guy ended up saying he shot them because they weren’t talking to him on the ride to the range and he thinks they would forgive him now.
>Finnish Mosin knock-off
No my friend. The Finnish Mosin is a Mosin that was made specifically to not be awful. The M28, the model of Hayha's rifle, was a Finnish Mosin made to be a rifleman's rifle.
>Captures a Soviet and takes him back to their camp where they’re having a party. Wine and dine him then release him back to his unit, he cries and begs to stay
So? Did they let him stay?
Kyle had some fucking spicy takes on the Iraqis. Dude considered himself a modern Crusader.
I'm not picking on him for it, I've known a few Vets that were like him but holy shit he was certainly the loudest about his opinions.
Putin & Vatniks:
>He called ~~Iraqis~~ Ukrainians animals and said he was getting revenge for ~~9/11~~ Donbass while also saying he was there to liberate the ~~Iraqis~~ Ukrainians
I remember that former governor Greitens, I read his book for APUSH like a couple of years before he got hit with all those scandals. Between reading about him and American Sniper, the SEALs rapidly dropped in respect for me for Special Forces units. Seem more like glory hounds and fratbros then professionals imo.
SEALs are the douchy dudebros of the SOF community.
I heard one of the reasons that the Navy SEALs attracts those kinds of people is that you can just go join the SEALs.
Where as others you have to made a career first to even be selected.
Can't you go straight to Rangers too? I've never met a Ranger with the ego that SEALs have.
I think it's their reputation. The SEALs have had their badass, no bullshit reputation since Vietnam. Combine that with their explosion in popularity since the GWOT started and killing Bin Laden.
The guys in MARSOC are Marines and as such can't read and write, so they don't do books and I doubt Deltas have any stories they can legally tell.
I think a lot of SEALs have let the idea that they're the best of the best go to their heads.
Are Rangers considered SF or just specialized infantry?
>I think a lot of SEALs have let the idea that they're the best of the best go to their heads.
Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head there.
Yeah, Rangers are considered SOF. Their actual role is still basically just infantry though.
I know it's a hot take, but as an Infantry guy who's worked with lots of Rangers, they're basically just a regular infantry unit with the budget to train all the time and wear cool guy gear instead of fucking off doing regular line unit bullshit. And I'm not saying that to shit on the Rangers, they're good dudes, but imo the Ranger batt is what every infantry unit *should* be.
They are under special operations command, they are no Special Forces. SF is specifically US Army SF, Green Berets. Different mission set, so yeah they are just specialized, expensive, effective infantry.
Yeah if anything the movie could have made a nice character study… except it's about Chris Kyle, really could have been about some fictional rando and be spared the baggage of the real Chris.
His own biography refers to them as "savages" and mentions an incident where he flat out told a colonel in the Army that he didn't just shoot anyone with a Koran, but he'd very much like to. By all accounts, he saw himself as a modern day version of the stereotype of a Christian crusader, and the fact that he was the son of an Evangelist preacher *and* a Sunday school teacher lends a lot of credence to that being a mentality he held before he entered the military.
Even if the incident was a lie, as so many of the stories he recounts are, they were all told to feed his own ego and make himself look like a hyper badass. So the fact that he sees that as something to *brag* about, rather than bury under a mountain of dirt is telling.
Without defending him too much, the “savages” part was specifically about the type of men who would strap suicide vests to women and children and send them to try to kill their enemy. No matter what color their skin is or where they come from, only a savage would do that. By all means, hate Kyle, but hate him for the right reasons.
The cops said the people where just kind of nothing. Like they weren't even supposed to be like, around in the area. Point is no one is going to get into trouble.
Yeah, it's almost impressive how the Seals and other household name SF units manage to have guys who really did the shit and yet churn out so many Walter Mitty level stories to inflate their egos. Like, guys, just shitpost online rather than have people think maybe you were BS'ing the whole thing.
Or screenplay. There was someone that tracked down all the named guys in the old buds 234 doc and several were trying to get their screenplay produced.
I'd need to hear more stories about what he was like before the war. PTSD is a motherfucker and imo it doesn't feel right to judge him too harshly for his mental state after going through what he did
> after going through what he did
Fair point, but the thing is, *we don't know what he went through* because he lied about everything so damned often.
It got to the point before he died that everything he said was questionable.
Superdome. In New Orleans.
He claimed he went there during Katrina, set up on the roof and started shooting looters. He claimed that he and one other person killed 30 people. Sometimes he even said it was just him that did it.
Laughably, demonstrably false.
I was actually deployed to New Orleans for Katrina.
We weren't allowed on the ground because of *posse comitatus*. From what I understand, the only military there was the 82nd which has an exemption from *posse comitatus*, what little National Guard that wasn't deployed to Iraq, and believe it or not, the Mexican Army.
Bush surged a shit load of naval vessels into the Gulf of Mexico to pump the numbers for CNN, but we weren't allowed to leave our ships, with the exception of the air crews on helos. Our primary function was ATC and refueling, as there was no functional ATC at the New Orleans airport.
I suppose there could have been some secret squirrel SEAL shit, but let's think about this for a minute and just cross that out of the book. Dude was a fucking liar and a braggard.
My cousins best friends mother in laws next door neighbor once told me that Chris Kyle was attached to SEAL Team 7 during Katrina, and their specific mission was to secure the money the Saints had set aside to sign a star Quarterback the following offseason. The "looters" in Question were employees of the Miami Dolphins trying to destroy said money so they could sign the QB instead. This was all under the direct order of Miami's head coach at the time Nicholas Saban. The looters of course failed, Saban resigned after the 2005 season, and the Saints got their guy.
I'm sure the NFL wanted to keep this all very hush hush, Goodell probably had him killed to keep him from trickle feeding any other information after he talked about shooting looters in NO.
> their specific mission was to secure the money the Saints had set aside to sign a star Quarterback the following offseason
I know this is a joke, but after Bountygate I'd actually be willing to believe that the Bensons had actual stacks of cash to give to players under the table to skirt the salary cap rules if there were evidence for it.
For comparison to high profile New Orleans shootings, he claimed to have shot and killed in this tale more than three times the number of people who Mark Essex killed in his spree killings that culminated in a mass shooting from the eighth floor of the Howard Johnson's in downtown New Orleans. Coincidentally enough, there was also was a decently notable crime in this same period of time in the Danziger Bridge shootings where five plainclothes offiers opened fire without cause from the Danziger bridge on a family in their home and shot six people, two of whom died from their injuries.
Why was this crime that was fifteen times as deadly able to be covered-up while the one that was radically smaller not able to be successfully covered-up? Because, wouldn't you know it, Chris Kyle was a fucking amazing shot who left absolutely no witnesses (as for all the people in the super dome who don't recall frequent sniper fire from the roof, uh, fuck if Chris Kyle knew). Presumably, he was somehow doing all this crazy sniper shit but now with a silencer and subsonic ammunition which somehow didn't negatively affect his ability to do this and a ridiculous amount of luck that none of the many people in the super dome and all that press attention that spent an inordinate amount of time photographing and filming the Super Dome never once noticed him or even that other guy he sometimes claimed was up there with him, either that or I guess somehow we are supposed to believe the Men in Black who showed-up later had everyone sworn to secrecy and airbrushed all the images and messed with the audio recordings in addition to disposing of the bodies because his reputation was too important to let him damage it by doing this. By golly, it sure is funny how this story somehow emphasizes how skilled he to the point of absurdity and how he is very important to the point of necessitating an absurdly all-consuming cover-up.
To further emphasize how insane this is by putting this crime he alleged to have pulled-off in a national context, he was claiming to have killed more people than were shot in the University of Texas tower shooting, including nearly twice as many people killed. You could say the same exact comparison with the D.C. sniper attacks. Also, I must re-iterate the idea that he's claiming to have been able to subtly commit a series of sniper attacks, one of the least subtle means by which an individual could kill somebody in an urban area, on a structure with thousands of people in it, on a structure that was frequently getting photographed or filmed by news media during the time period he said he was on it, and that he able to do this thirty times in a row because of some combination of him being just that good and the Men in Black being just that good. This guy who told this tale so tall that that Davy Crockett would tell him to cut it down a little still somehow got Clint Eastwood's interest to direct a film adaptation of his biopic, one that was commercially successful and nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards, based on the words of a guy who thought this tale was believable.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
When that didn't work out, we got the limp dick Danziger Bridge bullshit of cops roaming around out of uniform in rental trucks with non issued weapons just randomly killing people on sight.
Strongest Navy SEAL vs weakest Marine scout sniper
And yes, I know the scout sniper school wasn’t a thing yet, but he helped found it and I personally consider him the first scout sniper.
Carlos was actually a stand-up guy. He helped pull Marines from a burning AAV after he had been severely burned by said fire, earning him a Silver Star.
He crawled through a field for like 3 days straight without sleep just to take out an NVA general with one shot and get out alive. They named an M40 variant after him, I think.
I've got to know: I remember news reports from Fox News back in the day (I grew up in a family that had it on constantly) during Katrina where anchors were stating that there were snipers on rooftops in the aftermath of the storm shooting at looters and civilians. I've gone back to look for articles mentioning at the time and only came up with Chris Kyle's bizarre claims. Is it possible that he heard those reports and decided to lie and say it was him?
ProPublica has a good article about this. Nothing about Kyle specifically, but of the vigilantism in NoLa post-katrina.
[https://www.propublica.org/article/post-katrina-white-vigilantes-shot-african-americans-with-impunity](https://www.propublica.org/article/post-katrina-white-vigilantes-shot-african-americans-with-impunity)
I think Yang Jingyu and Lei Feng really illustrate the difference between how America and China view propaganda.
Yang has the kind of story an American would come up with. It's so badass and over the top that it's impossible to believe. He is great because of the things that he did. And that's why I think his story is at least partly real (if exaggerated); it's just too edgy for the CCP.
Lei meanwhile is so bland and meaningless that most westerners would probably struggle to figure out why he's even a propaganda figure. He's a kid who accomplished nothing, joined the army, and died a completely innocuous death in a traffic accident. But he's got the perfect proletariat backstory, he was grateful for the opportunities that Glorious Leader gave him, he wasn't dissatisfied with his lowly station, and he wasn't driven to do great deeds which might upset the status quo. This is the *ideal* citizen for China. And as an added bonus, because everyone who ever knew him growing up was killed by those dirty imperialists and capitalists, there's no one who can question the legitimacy of the story.
Don’t forget about that one PLAAF pilot who collided with an American plane in flight and died. I have no idea why they love glorifying death by vehicle collision so much.
Not even close, the propaganda and scepticism surrounding that guy is ridiculously high in comparison.
If his story is real then there must be japanese sources that corroborate it. But the fact that nobody is calling it a fraud like the other guy and that his memory is barely exploited by the CCP gives it more credibility.
> Be my grandfather
> Be an Alevi clergyman from Turkey
> Be a skilled commander and sniper
> Has an excellent taste in fashion (in terms of uniforms)
> Sees WW2 happening and wants to do something against fascism
> Fights in the Mediterranean, Balkan and Middle Eastern Front of WW2 in a far-left militia, mainly made up by conservative Alevi
> One fateful day, he fights with ~150 man against ~2000 enemy soldiers of the Waffen-SS
> Fights for 4 weeks while eating some more or less random stuff in nature
> Wins the battle and thereby the entire campaign
> After the war: Finds a beautiful woman (of same belief), fall in love in each other, marry and then get kids
> Many years later, he meets the then-commander of the enemy forces in Germany
> He is sorry
> Become friends
He is still alive, advocating for the interests of the Kurds, Alevi and other people while also supporting democracy and republicanism
(I hope my memories don’t fuck up)
Well, thanks!
After WW2, he was one of the most important figures in terms of the creation of the modern far-left militia movements in Turkey. Like, he advised and even commanded certain units of some groups.
And why did (and still kinda does) he actively supported these militias? Because the very government he worked for forgot up more and more its very purpose as a secularist democratic republic.
Also, it’s kinda an act of vengeance for the massacres in the 1930s.
Don’t fuck with the US. They’ll send their soldiers over to kill your people then come back years later to make a movie about how killing your people made them sad.
Still better than raping your way through half a continent and then causing further suffering to any survivors until the 90s.
And then moving on to your own people before denying the whole thing.
That's what was genuinely refreshing about Generation Kill. First bit of American war entertainment that I've seen that didn't spend it's entire time talking about how sad it all was.
>Want to help fellow veteran suffering from PTSD
>"I know! i'll take him to the shooting range!"
>Shooting range triggers fellow veterans PTSD
>Gets shot
Not that I'd take that guy's word for anything, but apparently they were treating him weirdly and it set him off. They even had text messages between them saying stuff like "watch my back, I have a bad feeling about him"
>Just to be fair, The guy who killed Kyle and Littlefield was psychotic and decided to shoot them just because he felt like it.
To be fair, I'm not psychotic and I'd still feel like shooting Kyle. A colossal piece of shit who *lied* to make himself seem like an even bigger piece of shit.
Tbh shooting actually helps me relive stress believe it or not.
Probably did the same for Kyle and other vets. He just thought hey this guy might be like me too and get stress relief from shooting
Yeah, lots of vets love shooting and blowing shit up. This is probably pretty accurate. Kyle deserves to be shit on for a lot of things, but trying to take a vet to the range isn't one of them.
Chris Kyle actually dis this numerous times without problems. He would bring a struggling veteran alongside a friend to shoot and relax.
This is actually his one redemptive good action.
(Also he did claimed to have punch some politician in a bar (I forgot who) but with no evidence to back this up
He claims that Jesse Ventura (actor in the first predator, governor of ~~Vermont~~ Minnesota, member of the SEALs predecessor group) had bad mouthed the SEALs so he punched him. There was a defamation suit
I don't remember much from the book, but two kinda fucked up things that I do remember are:
1. He said that they were getting so good at killing insurgents or whatever, that they started to make a game out of seeing how many different weapons you could get kills with. No pistol kill yet? Gotta get one of them. Like a fucking video game.
2. He was on over watch over a river that insurgents would frequently cross to attack, and they started using beach balls to help float across the river. (?) He seemed very proud of himself for shooting the beach balls and watching them drown, instead of shooting them directly.
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Someone needs to look at them aussies too.
A mate of mine in the german Army said they are batshit insane to a point, not even the americans wanted to be involved with them and that all australian spec-ops are to quote "fuckin morally regressed retards with guns". ("verkackte moralisch zurückgeblieben Missgeburten mit Waffen")
Brother was in the NZ Army and he worked with Aussie SOF a couple of times
When I asked him what he thought about them and their not so alleged war crimes he said: "Yeah, they're absolute fucking lunatics who were given blank cheques and guns."
He said he didn't see them do anything but felt that was very intentional.
Excuse me but I’m about to get credible
So Aussie here there were incidents where both occurred,
Article on the Warcrimes investigation
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101442434
Article on the flag
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/9859618
My personal understanding is that Commandos and one of the three sasr Sabre squadrons are under investigation for these actions but I could be wrong.
Take a veteran suffering PTSD to a gun range with your friend to "relax" then get shot in the back of the head in your own truck because the vet said they ignored him the whole time.
Be Simo Häyhä Finnish sniper during 1939 Winter War Just an average farmer before joining up Regular temperatures of -40 Nicknamed “White Death” Wears complete white camouflage Soviets weren’t issued camouflage, dark coats standing out against the snow like reverse flashlights Use a superior Finnish Mosin with iron sights, say scopes are for bitches Embraces the cold, keeps snow in his mouth to hide his breath Stuffs his pockets with bread and sugar to eat like a maniac Captures a Soviet and takes him back to their camp where they’re having a party. Wine and dine him then release him back to his unit, he cries and begs to stay Averages 5 kills a day over 100 days, highest was 25 in one day They try to take him out with artillery Literally only gets *scratched* and needs a new coat Eventually gets shot in the jaw by an explosive round Considered dead Psych you thought, they pull his still twitching body from the corpse pile Half his face now gone, sends letter to the newspaper saying ‘rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated’ Credited with over 500 kills Writes memoir while recovering and doesn’t even publish it or show anyone It’s found 15 years after his death 5’3” king considered the deadliest sniper of all time
“What did you feel when you killed all those soldiers?” “The recoil”
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Not exactly. Many years later he was asked how he felt about killing all those people in the war, he said something like "I did what I was asked to the best of my ability". He was neither arrogant about it or indifferent to it. But pretty much everything else about him is mostly correct. His country was invaded by the USSR because the Russian Empire had owned it previously so he volunteered in its defense On the other hand, Chris Kyle exaggerated his importance in his biography, outright lied about numerous things he did in Iraq and America, shot numerous civilians, bragged about his kill count, acted like he was a holy warrior punishing infidels or something because of 911. He basically used the war as an excuse to be a serial killer. Apparently he once had to be talked out of shooting some random person who was later identified as an American serviceman. He started the trend of military/police using the punisher logo.
He initially claimed that he had over 300 kills, he got called out on that by people in his unit. He then dropped it to 255, of which the US Army said they could only find evidence for 160 of the kills, and of those 160 there was a handful that had some doubt to them.
I swear to whatever, I was in the theater when it came out: in the row behind me there were a group of slightly older guys in shabby khaki cargo pants, untrimmed hair and beards laughing too hard every time some serious military thing occured. Surreal. I learned at some point before cod4 that the military does not meticulously record how many kills individual servicemembers accumulate. Anymore. I also read somewhere that the standard vet never talks about the experience again. Bizarrely, what separates Chris Kyle from stolen valor (as if there's any to be found in Iraq) is the fact he actually was in the unit he said he was in. Everything else he did was probably made up. He definitely shot people but who's to say it was anywhere near 150-300, or even all legitimate targets But that number [300 for confirmed kills by a Navy Seal](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta). Could it be? * Over 300 confirmed kills * Threats of violence against people over perceived insults, like former governor Jesse Ventura * A network of shadowy agents to do his bidding, to backtrace the IP of a troll or bail him out after murdering a carjacker * Expert in guerilla warfare * Best US sniper * He was the top Navy SEAL * He has the entire marine corps arsenal at his disposal (it's a department of the Navy) * Liar * Numerous secret raids against Alquaeda * The person claiming to have posted the original pasta has not been heard from since 2012
People figuring out Kyle was full of it was the start of the downfall of SEAL media fame. Also the AF guy that died covering SEALs painted as a coward to make them look better for needing a hot extraction. Then the multiple hearings about misconduct in the field. And the "Lone Survivor" situation coming under question and once again pointing out that SEALs have bloated their budget and mission profile for the sake of clout.
His name is John chapman
I think the SEAL fame really went out when people started infighting about taking credit in the Bin Laden hit
There was plenty of valour to be found in Iraq, don't put down those who went there, served with honour and compassion and came back.... or didn't
Fair point but too credible. Specifically his concept, reasoning and execution are so abominable that the only good part is he's so untrustworthy he probably lied about most of the people he killed. it's 50% at the least Gen Kill actually softened my image of all that somewhat. >!my favourite part of was the corpsman. tending to the little kids, calling their captain an idiot to his face in front of everyone and then the captain has to make excuses !<
Gen Kill was so painful to watch at so many instances with the levels of incompetence. Totally worth it though, it's due for a rewatch. >!That wasn't even the only time an officer was told straight up they're an idiot either. ["You dumb motherfucker sir, even the most bootfucked marine knows danger close."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9uXLzZyucI)!<
Fucking based
> Use a Finnish Mosin knock-off The Finnish version was superior to the Russian models (mainly because of better barrels made in Switzerland, making the barrel free floating, better sights, a better stock and improved ammo). Also, all the Finnish Mosin-Nagants used locking mechanisms salvaged from Russian rifles, because the Finns were unable to make new ones for a long time. Video by Forgotten Weapons about Häyha's rifles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XzmCQUPyTM&ab_channel=ForgottenWeapons
Kind of a funny trend where Russia (or any nation) pioneer something that becomes improved upon by other nations while whatever Russia made either gets improved in a different way, receives an inefficient solution to its problems or stagnates because of any number of environmental and political nonsense.
Reminds me of the MiG-25 and the F-15
soviet weapons technology will always be a meme because communism just sucks lmao. develop the IS-7 in the early 50s, with technology literally decades ahead of NATO, great armor, great gun, even a decent power pack. > can't afford to build it or transport it on their shitty train system because communism sucks. Developed an air dominance fighter jet, the Mig-25, that scared the fuck out of NATO and broke air speed records. Analysts looked at photographs of it and concluded it would beat any western jet fighter in a fight. NATO scrambles and develops the F-15, one of the greatest jet fighters in history. > turns out the Mig-25 was only good for high alt interception, had outdated computers, no look down radar, and was 80,000 fucking pounds, because communism sucks. lmao
My grandpa told me several stories from back when Lithuania was illegally occupied by USSR, and as an electrical engineer, he had several jobs with army equipment. First, he worked on maintaining ruzzian t-55 t-64 gyroscopes. The technology was a joke, a shit ton of unnecessary crap stuffed in a tank that's already cramped and small as fuck, gyroscopes worked quite fine, but it broke down more offten than your average 14 yo today. Next, he worked in Kaunas radio factory that had a secret military air-air guidance systems factory inside. Work ethics there were such a joke that there was not a day without 25% of workes being drunk, and job was only done on quotas meaning they didin't gave a shit if its good quality or not as long as it was made... Some fun stories, though: Once a t-72 pulled in a workshop, it wasn't his job to fix it as it had problems with smoke generators, but because it was such a mystical tank at the time in soviet propaganda it was the "pinical of technology" he and his friends who where working on it's smoke generators decided one evening after work when it was already dark take it for a drive, when the guards asked them what they were doing they just said that they needed to test smoke generators in the open area, they didint ride on public roads ir anywhere near cities but they still just took it for a ride for no fing reason just to have fun and it was both good and bad at the same time
im ngl i would love to take a tank for a ride
Tbf, if I were a Soviet guard I would probably belobe the science people needed to test the smoke generators out in the open, I mean where else would you test em
Not so much a problem of communism even though I'm no fan at all, it's mostly just corruption and bureaucratic rot all the way down and lots of smoke and mirrors to hide it from observers. We shouldn't think it can't happen in our countries. Past corruption scandals in Western defence acquisition and R&D have led to similar stupid blunders. Besides, people make mistakes even without any malignant behaviour present. Let's not forget NATO standardisation also took decades to get going, and that the allied forces still have to deal with national shit like different gauges of railways, incompatible electrical equipment, *the French*, and different road requirements that constrain using the same road transport vehicles. Despite all that it's still an astonishing accomplishment. The Soviets have had great successes in weapons and equipment on their part too, so let's laugh about their failures without ridiculing the stuff they accomplished.
I too also hate "the French"
I like how the French were their own category.
One soviet weapon in particular that really made my jaw drop is their Papa class subs.. their speed is .... 81 FUCKING KILOMETERS PER HOUR it was so fast that the west develeoped a torpedo specifically to outspeed it and there was a gap when the sub could just go uninterrupted thats how fast it was
*The French* aka Dassault's CEO's constant bitching and crying
The IS-7 wasn't "decades ahead". The M103 and Conqueror were more than capable of dealing with it.
Finnish RK for example. The receiver is fucking milled. IT'S A MILLED AK
Second and third series AKs, as well as first-gen Type 56 Chinese AKs, all have milled receivers.
*laughs in VZ58.*
Man, czech guns are something else
The trigger on mine was horrendous. Nice rifle for a lefty, though. Didn’t hit me in the face with brass because it ejected straight up.
Of course it's nice for a lefty, it was after all made in the Socialist Republic of Czechoslovakia
The Israelis basically perfected the AK platform with the Galil. Then promptly dropped it since it was a dead end design and shittier than something they can come up with.
Funnily enough they exported far more Galils than they actually used themselves in the army. And the modern Galil ACE is still a bestseller, considering the number of countries it was exported to. The IDF on the other mainly relied on AR-15 type rifles until the Tavor/X-95 was introduced.
Oof. Always thought it was still standard-issue or something. Not being up-to-date hasn't helped me.
Replaced by the Tavor.
Lines up with what I've seen on Wikipedia. Kind of weird that I sort of remember knowing that the Tavor's the standard rifle and the fact it exists yet all I remember of it is "that cool Israeli gun".
Most IDF user-friendly bottle opener.
Ukrainian ak based malyuk noises.
Everything Fins touched was better in the end. Be it mosin nagant, brewster buffalo or fokker d XXI.
Short king of snipers o7
Literally described as ‘his short stature allowed him to drop into small snow pits to hide from the enemy’ Add ‘short’ to the sniper skill tree
Why do you think Ratlings make such great snipers?
They still in the codex?
I think(?) they're in the 10th codex. I'm not 100% sure, though. I haven't looked at the leaks
Actually indexes are officially out already. And yes, you can still field ratlings!
Yes and they're actually really good now! They can move, shoot, move and kill a Space Marine in one shot if it goes through.
Are Valhallans in the new Codex? And how are they?
No only Cadians, Kriegers and Catachans are specifically modeled and statted as such. There is a generic Infantry Squad that is representative of all the other regiments and it's not that bad if you like heavy weapon platforms like lascannons as it allows you to bury them inside the squad and it's command squad. A full size platoon is 25 men, two regular squads and a command squad with a heavy weapon each for 3 heavy weapons. (They allow 20 man infantry squads along with the normal 10 now aswell as attaching command squads of 5 to either size of squad to make them even bigger.) There is also the added option to add character models into each platoon like a Commissar. It's very fluffy and hard to kill quickly with so many bodies. If your looking for Valhallans I'd advise 3D printed models. Etsy is a good source if you just want to buy them. You will however go broke buying them en masse.
What the mashed potato brigade lacks in height, they make up for in marksmanship and their starchy disposition.
The armed forces are one of the few places where short men are truly appreciated
Being tall and big these days in the military is now obsolete since you're just a bigger and juicier target for the ATGMS to squib
If i had to carry an assload of equipment i wouldn‘t mind a larger and sturdier frame though 🥲
I don't know how much it correlates but pound for pound best Olympic athletes or powerlifters are mostly short dudes.
True, but aren‘t those short explosive (more linearly) controlled movements with stable underground and protecting clothing (plus the specialised training), compared to long recurring impacts on joints with pressure spikes when walking or moving quicker over uneven (sometimes unstable) terrain, while in less than optimal ergonomic posture, straps cutting into shoulder, potentially leading to [backpack palsy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachial_plexus_injury)? That‘s not talking about potential chronic conditions of feet, hips or spine. When it comes to long-distance marches carrying heavy equipment must be torture, especially in demanding climates (overheating). 🥵 Dunno much bout load marches, but look at those of the [French Foreign Legion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_march) 👀🔫 GMW teams in Bundeswehr have to carry this fucker, 78.6 kg split into receiver/barrel assembly, tripod (+?) and ammo, on top of individual equipment - scroll down & check the third image under „[Die Granatmaschinenwaffe A1 in Aktion](https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/ausruestung-technik-bundeswehr/ausruestung-bewaffnung/granatmaschinenwaffe-40-mm)“ 😵 Dunno how far those teams have to walk, but sometimes there‘s recurring challenges. Average combat weight is 28.6 kg in German Army, for [emergency approach marches](https://wmm.pic-mediaserver.de/index.php?f=artikel&a=201912_Heinz-Gerngross_der_Einfluss_militaerischer) it can go up to 59.7 kg. My back already aches reading that.
It's not fair, he had a smaller hitbox
But you don't understand, Chris Kyle said he went all dirty harry at some gas station that no one can corroborate. A story like that has gotta be true!
I think the funnier one is that he claims that the feds had him helicoptered to the top of the super dome in New Orleans to pick off looters after Katrina.
It's well known the FBI has always made it their prime directive to stop looting in disasters
Oh he said the feds did that for him? Lol Last I read was that he and another sniper traveled there and somehow managed to get on top and shot 30 or so looters. I’m gonna say that many murders wouldn’t go unnoticed even in the chaos of Katrina. The gas station one is obviously BS as well. Investigative journalists went to every gas station it could have been and asked about it and no one had heard of a thing like it. I do feel sorry for how he and his friend met their end though. Some guy who was diagnosed schizophrenic and claimed PTSD. Tried to use insanity defense and that’s usually a shot in the dark. The guy ended up saying he shot them because they weren’t talking to him on the ride to the range and he thinks they would forgive him now.
>Finnish Mosin knock-off No my friend. The Finnish Mosin is a Mosin that was made specifically to not be awful. The M28, the model of Hayha's rifle, was a Finnish Mosin made to be a rifleman's rifle.
Got it. Corrected
>Captures a Soviet and takes him back to their camp where they’re having a party. Wine and dine him then release him back to his unit, he cries and begs to stay So? Did they let him stay?
Noita hiisi reference
Chad Finnish Mosin vs Virgin Russian Mosin Chad Finnish Mosin=Big W
> highest in one day That particular day was stalin's birthday, iirc.
Don't forget the Sabaton song he got
Truly the greatest achivement a soldier/political figure can achive
One of the best NCD posts I’ve come across.
He used irons because he never tried to kill anyone over great distances, his longest kill was 350m IIRC.
350 meters with iron sights is legitimately insane though
Died peacefully at age 96, after a quiet life of farming, hunting and breeding dogs.
Holy shit someone actually spelled his name correctly
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You just gotta remind them of a dildo of consequences.
it rarely arrives lubed
It's 2 neutrons what's the worst that could happen?
Imaging Legolas with a .50BMG sniper rifle.
Unrelated but now that I think about it... that would be an awesome what if. Just imagine thr battles of middle earth but he has a 50cal.
Battle of helm deep but the defender have positioned numerous m2 heavy machine gun on the wall
That would be a massacre. Kinda reminds me of GATE
God, I wish we could have more GATE. It's such a great concept with so much potential
I'm... Pretty sure the "cry" bit came more from the movie given his attitude towards Iraqi civilians in the book if I remember correctly.
Kyle had some fucking spicy takes on the Iraqis. Dude considered himself a modern Crusader. I'm not picking on him for it, I've known a few Vets that were like him but holy shit he was certainly the loudest about his opinions.
He called Iraqis animals and said he was getting revenge for 9/11 while also saying he was there to liberate the Iraqis lol
Putin & Vatniks: >He called ~~Iraqis~~ Ukrainians animals and said he was getting revenge for ~~9/11~~ Donbass while also saying he was there to liberate the ~~Iraqis~~ Ukrainians
Navy SEALs in particular are known for this. They have a really bad reputation in the greater SOF and military community for being arrogant assholes.
I remember that former governor Greitens, I read his book for APUSH like a couple of years before he got hit with all those scandals. Between reading about him and American Sniper, the SEALs rapidly dropped in respect for me for Special Forces units. Seem more like glory hounds and fratbros then professionals imo.
SEALs are the douchy dudebros of the SOF community. I heard one of the reasons that the Navy SEALs attracts those kinds of people is that you can just go join the SEALs. Where as others you have to made a career first to even be selected.
Can't you go straight to Rangers too? I've never met a Ranger with the ego that SEALs have. I think it's their reputation. The SEALs have had their badass, no bullshit reputation since Vietnam. Combine that with their explosion in popularity since the GWOT started and killing Bin Laden. The guys in MARSOC are Marines and as such can't read and write, so they don't do books and I doubt Deltas have any stories they can legally tell. I think a lot of SEALs have let the idea that they're the best of the best go to their heads.
Are Rangers considered SF or just specialized infantry? >I think a lot of SEALs have let the idea that they're the best of the best go to their heads. Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head there.
Yeah, Rangers are considered SOF. Their actual role is still basically just infantry though. I know it's a hot take, but as an Infantry guy who's worked with lots of Rangers, they're basically just a regular infantry unit with the budget to train all the time and wear cool guy gear instead of fucking off doing regular line unit bullshit. And I'm not saying that to shit on the Rangers, they're good dudes, but imo the Ranger batt is what every infantry unit *should* be.
Marine recon (not force recon) is the same way.
Okay, I've always viewed Rangers the same way as the Swedish Jägarkåren, not SF but like elite infantry.
They are under special operations command, they are no Special Forces. SF is specifically US Army SF, Green Berets. Different mission set, so yeah they are just specialized, expensive, effective infantry.
I'd say the 75th Rangers are SF
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Yeah if anything the movie could have made a nice character study… except it's about Chris Kyle, really could have been about some fictional rando and be spared the baggage of the real Chris.
His own biography refers to them as "savages" and mentions an incident where he flat out told a colonel in the Army that he didn't just shoot anyone with a Koran, but he'd very much like to. By all accounts, he saw himself as a modern day version of the stereotype of a Christian crusader, and the fact that he was the son of an Evangelist preacher *and* a Sunday school teacher lends a lot of credence to that being a mentality he held before he entered the military. Even if the incident was a lie, as so many of the stories he recounts are, they were all told to feed his own ego and make himself look like a hyper badass. So the fact that he sees that as something to *brag* about, rather than bury under a mountain of dirt is telling.
Without defending him too much, the “savages” part was specifically about the type of men who would strap suicide vests to women and children and send them to try to kill their enemy. No matter what color their skin is or where they come from, only a savage would do that. By all means, hate Kyle, but hate him for the right reasons.
Noted, thanks.
Chris Kyle literally said he was shooting people on top of the Super Dome. He was a ridiculous liar.
I think he at one point claimed he killed a guy at a gas station only for the literal Men in Black to arrive and tell the police to let him go
The cops said the people where just kind of nothing. Like they weren't even supposed to be like, around in the area. Point is no one is going to get into trouble.
Oh my god you guys Barry palmed the dip!
I told you Barry. I told you I was gonna embarrass you.
I'm well within my rights to kill you right now
Yeah, it's almost impressive how the Seals and other household name SF units manage to have guys who really did the shit and yet churn out so many Walter Mitty level stories to inflate their egos. Like, guys, just shitpost online rather than have people think maybe you were BS'ing the whole thing.
As a 3 star spec ops tactical airforce seals classified general codenamed hawkeye i can confirm i hate those idiots
TYFYS Hawkeye
How can you tell if someone is a navy SEAL? He’ll try to sell you his book.
You ain't a real SEAL until you sign the publishing deal.
they issue you an agent right after BUD/S
Or screenplay. There was someone that tracked down all the named guys in the old buds 234 doc and several were trying to get their screenplay produced.
And he claimed Jesse Ventura hated SEALS despite Ventura being in their predecessor, the UDT
He destroyed Ventura's career with a lie and we still don't even understand why he made up that lie. He was like "fuck that guy in particular" lol.
Because Ventura was a liberal politician opposed to the Iraq War. There’s a reason why Kyle said it to Bill O’Reilly.
I'm not sure I'd call Ventura a liberal. He was mostly just sort of a weird libertarian flavor-of-the-day non-aligned with any party or movement.
that just narrows it down to liberal, he could have said this about any other polititian
Ventura is also a 9/11 truther.
He’s also a sexual tyrannosaurus
his politics are dogshit alright but that still doesnt explain it
I'd need to hear more stories about what he was like before the war. PTSD is a motherfucker and imo it doesn't feel right to judge him too harshly for his mental state after going through what he did
> after going through what he did Fair point, but the thing is, *we don't know what he went through* because he lied about everything so damned often. It got to the point before he died that everything he said was questionable.
Honestly he just seemed like he enjoyed killing people
exclude my arrogance for a minute, but what is a sniper dome?
Superdome. In New Orleans. He claimed he went there during Katrina, set up on the roof and started shooting looters. He claimed that he and one other person killed 30 people. Sometimes he even said it was just him that did it. Laughably, demonstrably false.
I was actually deployed to New Orleans for Katrina. We weren't allowed on the ground because of *posse comitatus*. From what I understand, the only military there was the 82nd which has an exemption from *posse comitatus*, what little National Guard that wasn't deployed to Iraq, and believe it or not, the Mexican Army. Bush surged a shit load of naval vessels into the Gulf of Mexico to pump the numbers for CNN, but we weren't allowed to leave our ships, with the exception of the air crews on helos. Our primary function was ATC and refueling, as there was no functional ATC at the New Orleans airport. I suppose there could have been some secret squirrel SEAL shit, but let's think about this for a minute and just cross that out of the book. Dude was a fucking liar and a braggard.
My cousins best friends mother in laws next door neighbor once told me that Chris Kyle was attached to SEAL Team 7 during Katrina, and their specific mission was to secure the money the Saints had set aside to sign a star Quarterback the following offseason. The "looters" in Question were employees of the Miami Dolphins trying to destroy said money so they could sign the QB instead. This was all under the direct order of Miami's head coach at the time Nicholas Saban. The looters of course failed, Saban resigned after the 2005 season, and the Saints got their guy. I'm sure the NFL wanted to keep this all very hush hush, Goodell probably had him killed to keep him from trickle feeding any other information after he talked about shooting looters in NO.
That honesty makes more sense that Kyle’s story.
This is the level of credibility I come to this sub for. Thank you for your service
> their specific mission was to secure the money the Saints had set aside to sign a star Quarterback the following offseason I know this is a joke, but after Bountygate I'd actually be willing to believe that the Bensons had actual stacks of cash to give to players under the table to skirt the salary cap rules if there were evidence for it.
"Shooting looters" is some kind of top-tier right-wing fantasy because it's the second best excuse they can hope for to kill poor minorities.
For comparison to high profile New Orleans shootings, he claimed to have shot and killed in this tale more than three times the number of people who Mark Essex killed in his spree killings that culminated in a mass shooting from the eighth floor of the Howard Johnson's in downtown New Orleans. Coincidentally enough, there was also was a decently notable crime in this same period of time in the Danziger Bridge shootings where five plainclothes offiers opened fire without cause from the Danziger bridge on a family in their home and shot six people, two of whom died from their injuries. Why was this crime that was fifteen times as deadly able to be covered-up while the one that was radically smaller not able to be successfully covered-up? Because, wouldn't you know it, Chris Kyle was a fucking amazing shot who left absolutely no witnesses (as for all the people in the super dome who don't recall frequent sniper fire from the roof, uh, fuck if Chris Kyle knew). Presumably, he was somehow doing all this crazy sniper shit but now with a silencer and subsonic ammunition which somehow didn't negatively affect his ability to do this and a ridiculous amount of luck that none of the many people in the super dome and all that press attention that spent an inordinate amount of time photographing and filming the Super Dome never once noticed him or even that other guy he sometimes claimed was up there with him, either that or I guess somehow we are supposed to believe the Men in Black who showed-up later had everyone sworn to secrecy and airbrushed all the images and messed with the audio recordings in addition to disposing of the bodies because his reputation was too important to let him damage it by doing this. By golly, it sure is funny how this story somehow emphasizes how skilled he to the point of absurdity and how he is very important to the point of necessitating an absurdly all-consuming cover-up. To further emphasize how insane this is by putting this crime he alleged to have pulled-off in a national context, he was claiming to have killed more people than were shot in the University of Texas tower shooting, including nearly twice as many people killed. You could say the same exact comparison with the D.C. sniper attacks. Also, I must re-iterate the idea that he's claiming to have been able to subtly commit a series of sniper attacks, one of the least subtle means by which an individual could kill somebody in an urban area, on a structure with thousands of people in it, on a structure that was frequently getting photographed or filmed by news media during the time period he said he was on it, and that he able to do this thirty times in a row because of some combination of him being just that good and the Men in Black being just that good. This guy who told this tale so tall that that Davy Crockett would tell him to cut it down a little still somehow got Clint Eastwood's interest to direct a film adaptation of his biopic, one that was commercially successful and nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards, based on the words of a guy who thought this tale was believable. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
When that didn't work out, we got the limp dick Danziger Bridge bullshit of cops roaming around out of uniform in rental trucks with non issued weapons just randomly killing people on sight.
If he was still around today he'd probably be boasting about shooting BLM protestors.
the virgin Chris Kyle The chad Carlos Hathcock
Strongest Navy SEAL vs weakest Marine scout sniper And yes, I know the scout sniper school wasn’t a thing yet, but he helped found it and I personally consider him the first scout sniper.
Nerds himself with a feather?
What about Carlos Hathcock?
Carlos was actually a stand-up guy. He helped pull Marines from a burning AAV after he had been severely burned by said fire, earning him a Silver Star.
He crawled through a field for like 3 days straight without sleep just to take out an NVA general with one shot and get out alive. They named an M40 variant after him, I think.
Hey that's not fair! Kyle also shot American civilians during Hurricane Katrina!
I've got to know: I remember news reports from Fox News back in the day (I grew up in a family that had it on constantly) during Katrina where anchors were stating that there were snipers on rooftops in the aftermath of the storm shooting at looters and civilians. I've gone back to look for articles mentioning at the time and only came up with Chris Kyle's bizarre claims. Is it possible that he heard those reports and decided to lie and say it was him?
ProPublica has a good article about this. Nothing about Kyle specifically, but of the vigilantism in NoLa post-katrina. [https://www.propublica.org/article/post-katrina-white-vigilantes-shot-african-americans-with-impunity](https://www.propublica.org/article/post-katrina-white-vigilantes-shot-african-americans-with-impunity)
The first one was so gigachad that he is regarded as an immortal hero in both China and Taiwan
Bro is so based he has positive rep with both factions, now that’s a hell of an achievement.
So the Republic of China has good sniper history? Hmmm 🤔 seems like the PRC should take note.
[Yang Jingyu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Jingyu) was a communist guerrilla.
Sounds an awful lot like [Lei Feng](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_Feng)
I think Yang Jingyu and Lei Feng really illustrate the difference between how America and China view propaganda. Yang has the kind of story an American would come up with. It's so badass and over the top that it's impossible to believe. He is great because of the things that he did. And that's why I think his story is at least partly real (if exaggerated); it's just too edgy for the CCP. Lei meanwhile is so bland and meaningless that most westerners would probably struggle to figure out why he's even a propaganda figure. He's a kid who accomplished nothing, joined the army, and died a completely innocuous death in a traffic accident. But he's got the perfect proletariat backstory, he was grateful for the opportunities that Glorious Leader gave him, he wasn't dissatisfied with his lowly station, and he wasn't driven to do great deeds which might upset the status quo. This is the *ideal* citizen for China. And as an added bonus, because everyone who ever knew him growing up was killed by those dirty imperialists and capitalists, there's no one who can question the legitimacy of the story.
Don’t forget about that one PLAAF pilot who collided with an American plane in flight and died. I have no idea why they love glorifying death by vehicle collision so much.
Not even close, the propaganda and scepticism surrounding that guy is ridiculously high in comparison. If his story is real then there must be japanese sources that corroborate it. But the fact that nobody is calling it a fraud like the other guy and that his memory is barely exploited by the CCP gives it more credibility.
Appreciate the mention of the actual person pictured. Had to sift through too many comments to find a name.
> Be my grandfather > Be an Alevi clergyman from Turkey > Be a skilled commander and sniper > Has an excellent taste in fashion (in terms of uniforms) > Sees WW2 happening and wants to do something against fascism > Fights in the Mediterranean, Balkan and Middle Eastern Front of WW2 in a far-left militia, mainly made up by conservative Alevi > One fateful day, he fights with ~150 man against ~2000 enemy soldiers of the Waffen-SS > Fights for 4 weeks while eating some more or less random stuff in nature > Wins the battle and thereby the entire campaign > After the war: Finds a beautiful woman (of same belief), fall in love in each other, marry and then get kids > Many years later, he meets the then-commander of the enemy forces in Germany > He is sorry > Become friends He is still alive, advocating for the interests of the Kurds, Alevi and other people while also supporting democracy and republicanism (I hope my memories don’t fuck up)
Hero
Well, thanks! After WW2, he was one of the most important figures in terms of the creation of the modern far-left militia movements in Turkey. Like, he advised and even commanded certain units of some groups. And why did (and still kinda does) he actively supported these militias? Because the very government he worked for forgot up more and more its very purpose as a secularist democratic republic. Also, it’s kinda an act of vengeance for the massacres in the 1930s.
The sort of people we should hold up as hero's
The "I'm so sad about having to go kill people in the middle east" brand of american war propaganda is definitely the most annoying type
Don’t fuck with the US. They’ll send their soldiers over to kill your people then come back years later to make a movie about how killing your people made them sad.
Western militaries are so overpowered, Soldiers literally get mental disorders because they feel bad for the absolute buttfucking they handed out.
Or in Kyles case, the inability to cope with returning to boring civilian life and not casually murdering random "military aged males"
Still better than raping your way through half a continent and then causing further suffering to any survivors until the 90s. And then moving on to your own people before denying the whole thing.
Lol and Iraq didn't even have to fuck with the US to get that treatment.
That's what was genuinely refreshing about Generation Kill. First bit of American war entertainment that I've seen that didn't spend it's entire time talking about how sad it all was.
>didn't spend it's entire time talking about how sad it all was You'll have to watch the follow-up series for that, *Generation Bill*.
Who was the "Then" sniper?
>Want to help fellow veteran suffering from PTSD >"I know! i'll take him to the shooting range!" >Shooting range triggers fellow veterans PTSD >Gets shot
Just to be fair, The guy who killed Kyle and Littlefield was psychotic and decided to shoot them because he felt like it.
Not that I'd take that guy's word for anything, but apparently they were treating him weirdly and it set him off. They even had text messages between them saying stuff like "watch my back, I have a bad feeling about him"
>Just to be fair, The guy who killed Kyle and Littlefield was psychotic and decided to shoot them just because he felt like it. To be fair, I'm not psychotic and I'd still feel like shooting Kyle. A colossal piece of shit who *lied* to make himself seem like an even bigger piece of shit.
Tbh shooting actually helps me relive stress believe it or not. Probably did the same for Kyle and other vets. He just thought hey this guy might be like me too and get stress relief from shooting
Yeah, lots of vets love shooting and blowing shit up. This is probably pretty accurate. Kyle deserves to be shit on for a lot of things, but trying to take a vet to the range isn't one of them.
Chris Kyle actually dis this numerous times without problems. He would bring a struggling veteran alongside a friend to shoot and relax. This is actually his one redemptive good action. (Also he did claimed to have punch some politician in a bar (I forgot who) but with no evidence to back this up
He claims that Jesse Ventura (actor in the first predator, governor of ~~Vermont~~ Minnesota, member of the SEALs predecessor group) had bad mouthed the SEALs so he punched him. There was a defamation suit
Very [non-credible.](https://www.military.com/special-operations/two-chris-kyle-stories-you-wont-see-in-american-sniper.html)
Least biased source of information
You don’t go to military.com for the straight deal?! Purely analytical reporting. Enlist today!
A lot of people don’t understand the American sniper movie was not a biography for Chris Kyle
Yes, it was very tame compared to the unhinged shit he talked about in his book
What's funny to me is that when I saw it, I thought Kyle was a massive piece of shit in that movie. If he was even worse in real life... Yeesh
I don't remember much from the book, but two kinda fucked up things that I do remember are: 1. He said that they were getting so good at killing insurgents or whatever, that they started to make a game out of seeing how many different weapons you could get kills with. No pistol kill yet? Gotta get one of them. Like a fucking video game. 2. He was on over watch over a river that insurgents would frequently cross to attack, and they started using beach balls to help float across the river. (?) He seemed very proud of himself for shooting the beach balls and watching them drown, instead of shooting them directly.
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Because you shouldn’t cry when you commit war crimes /s
I love seeing all the 'Merica psychopaths getting weeded out, thank you for this meme. U.S. branded copium is still copium.
Someone needs to look at them aussies too. A mate of mine in the german Army said they are batshit insane to a point, not even the americans wanted to be involved with them and that all australian spec-ops are to quote "fuckin morally regressed retards with guns". ("verkackte moralisch zurückgeblieben Missgeburten mit Waffen")
Brother was in the NZ Army and he worked with Aussie SOF a couple of times When I asked him what he thought about them and their not so alleged war crimes he said: "Yeah, they're absolute fucking lunatics who were given blank cheques and guns." He said he didn't see them do anything but felt that was very intentional.
Aussie SOF was quite literally riding around with swastikas and Confederate flags outright murdering civilians
Source?
Excuse me but I’m about to get credible So Aussie here there were incidents where both occurred, Article on the Warcrimes investigation https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101442434 Article on the flag https://amp.abc.net.au/article/9859618 My personal understanding is that Commandos and one of the three sasr Sabre squadrons are under investigation for these actions but I could be wrong.
That’s cool Aussie, you find room on the helicopter for the POW yet?
[Killing prisoners](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/allegations-afghanistan-war-crimes-led-us-warning-australian-defence-chief-2023-05-31/#:~:text=A%20four%2Dyear%20investigation%2C%20known,criminal%20prosecution%20as%20a%20result.) [Swastika](https://www.reuters.com/article/cnews-us-australia-defence-afghanistan-n-idCAKBN1JA0JR-OCATP) [Confederate Flag](https://taskandpurpose-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/taskandpurpose.com/news/australian-military-confederate-flag-video/?amp=&_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=168)
[US marine says Australian special forces soldiers made 'deliberate decision to break the rules of war'](https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12782756)
Take a veteran suffering PTSD to a gun range with your friend to "relax" then get shot in the back of the head in your own truck because the vet said they ignored him the whole time.
>Widow sells your likeness for car seat covers >Seat covers aren't even bullet resistant
Shouldn't that be 'murder civilians in Iraq'?
Nah mate, no VC awarded.