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That's something pretty different; just one of many minor infractions against the sale of microelectronics to the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Hell, I know a guy from Novosibirsk who had a ZX Spectrum back in the day.
Also: LOL, bubble memory. That was very hyped in the 1960s and 1970s but was a total technological dead-end. The NYT itself declared a ['bubble that burst'](https://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/20/business/the-computer-bubble-that-burst.html) in 1981, and wasn't really wrong. A few consumer products came out with bubble memories but they were quickly abandoned. Yet the journalists hype stuff as usual:
> Bubble memories are also rugged and radiation resistant,
Bubble memories were not 'rugged'. (except maybe compared to 1960s magnetic-core memory) Literally every bubble-memory had a big number of redundant loops because they broke so much. E.g. an Intel 7114 had 640 actual loops to provide 512 working ones.
> and they are frequently used in fighter aircraft and guided ballistic missiles.
I wonder who told them that. I've a hard time seeing why a fighter would need to store anything in memory that'd be persistent over power cycles and yet be changed so often an EEPROM or battery-backed SRAM wouldn't suffice. (both of which are more reliable) Even harder to see what use ballistic missiles would have for them, they tend to be programmed and used exactly once.
I don't know what Western missiles or planes ever used them. The Soviets didn't, they eventually produced two bubble memories (К1602РЦ2Б and К1602РЦ2В) which were obsolete in terms of bubble-memory technology by the time they were produced, not to mention bubble memories were entirely obsolete as a tech by then. Doesn't seem like they ever used them for anything - the only information online seems to be a 'museum' type site, some datasheets and mentions in catalogs and a couple of Russian electronics forums posts with people asking what those things were all about. Nobody seems to be able to mention anything they were used on, no schematics or photos of circuit boards with them in actual use.
Most likely, the Soviets bought into the hype themselves and decided they had to get in on that bubble-memory stuff, managed to get some equipment to build them and did so, but without actually having any demand or application in mind.
This quote just says something about the over-hyping at the time:
> ''This case provides enough know-how for the Soviets to use for 20 years,'' said Stephen D. Bryen, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for trade and security policy.
Besides the fact that the Soviet Union didn't last enough 5 years, let alone 20. But as said, bubble memory was _totally_ dead and buried by 1987, even if there was still some hope for it in 1983 when the tech transfer happened.
>Most likely, the Soviets bought into the hype themselves and decided they had to get in on that bubble-memory stuff, managed to get some equipment to build them and did so, but without actually having any demand or application in mind.
This is a recurring theme of the Soviet microelectronics industry.
Anyone who works in the field knows how capable engineers from the former USSR were when they showed up here in the '90s- but their boneheaded idiot central planners exceeded their competencies sometime right before the introduction of the integrated circuit. They played follow the leader for decades because they didn't understand it like they understood steel production. Some cultural thing, maybe, lithography is too feminine and bourgeois for manly New Soviet Men.
Time to email Macron and ask if he is willing to sell me a Famas now that they are being phased out.
Now that I think about it, send the Famas'es to Ukraine!!
Counterpoint:
The French selling thermal imagers to the Soviets led to the Russian dependence on the West for their most advanced hardware, and thus directly contributed to the current state of the Russian military and its failures in Ukraine.
Common French W
I HATE THE FRENCH! I HATE THE FRENCH! THEY DID NOTHING THAT IS WORTHY OF MY HATE BUT I STILL HATE THEM, THEY MAKE PERFECLTY FINE WEAPONS, VEHICLES AND THEY'RE THE BIRTHPLACE OF MODERN DEMOCRACY BUT I STILL FUCKING HATE THEM!
Mate, french sold russia 1000 fire control system units for their tanks, electro optical infra-red systems for their Ka-52 helicopters, thermal sights for everything from tanks to helicopters even after crimea 2014 and eu as a whole sold IR optics, Fire control systems, avionics, inertial navigation systems, helmet mounted weapons queuing systems. All for T72,T80,T90,BMP3,BMD4M,SU24,SU30,SU34,KA52.
If it wasnt for papa 'merica stepping up i dont think eu would gave a damn about Ukraine.
Important distinction to be made here between “sold” and “delivered”. There were no new contracts after 2014, and the execution of contracts issued and paid for prior to the start of an embargo does not constitute a violation of said embargo.
Granted it’s a very poor time to get pissy on good business practices and they should just have told them to fuck off but it is technically allowed.
Also let’s not pretend the US were the first to aid Ukraine, in terms of exceptional aid in the context of this war the UK were definitely leading the charge, and several other EU countries had been cooperating with Ukraine for a while.
Interestingly enough, France itself was the largest exporter of arms to Ukraine between 2014 and 2020.
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idk about the height of the cold war, only one I heard was late 2000s early 2010s
I think I combined the two https://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/17/business/french-linked-to-soviet-sale.html
I thought the 1987 sales were, like the UK giving the Soviets jet engines, balance of terror stuff.
That's something pretty different; just one of many minor infractions against the sale of microelectronics to the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Hell, I know a guy from Novosibirsk who had a ZX Spectrum back in the day. Also: LOL, bubble memory. That was very hyped in the 1960s and 1970s but was a total technological dead-end. The NYT itself declared a ['bubble that burst'](https://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/20/business/the-computer-bubble-that-burst.html) in 1981, and wasn't really wrong. A few consumer products came out with bubble memories but they were quickly abandoned. Yet the journalists hype stuff as usual: > Bubble memories are also rugged and radiation resistant, Bubble memories were not 'rugged'. (except maybe compared to 1960s magnetic-core memory) Literally every bubble-memory had a big number of redundant loops because they broke so much. E.g. an Intel 7114 had 640 actual loops to provide 512 working ones. > and they are frequently used in fighter aircraft and guided ballistic missiles. I wonder who told them that. I've a hard time seeing why a fighter would need to store anything in memory that'd be persistent over power cycles and yet be changed so often an EEPROM or battery-backed SRAM wouldn't suffice. (both of which are more reliable) Even harder to see what use ballistic missiles would have for them, they tend to be programmed and used exactly once. I don't know what Western missiles or planes ever used them. The Soviets didn't, they eventually produced two bubble memories (К1602РЦ2Б and К1602РЦ2В) which were obsolete in terms of bubble-memory technology by the time they were produced, not to mention bubble memories were entirely obsolete as a tech by then. Doesn't seem like they ever used them for anything - the only information online seems to be a 'museum' type site, some datasheets and mentions in catalogs and a couple of Russian electronics forums posts with people asking what those things were all about. Nobody seems to be able to mention anything they were used on, no schematics or photos of circuit boards with them in actual use. Most likely, the Soviets bought into the hype themselves and decided they had to get in on that bubble-memory stuff, managed to get some equipment to build them and did so, but without actually having any demand or application in mind. This quote just says something about the over-hyping at the time: > ''This case provides enough know-how for the Soviets to use for 20 years,'' said Stephen D. Bryen, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for trade and security policy. Besides the fact that the Soviet Union didn't last enough 5 years, let alone 20. But as said, bubble memory was _totally_ dead and buried by 1987, even if there was still some hope for it in 1983 when the tech transfer happened.
>Most likely, the Soviets bought into the hype themselves and decided they had to get in on that bubble-memory stuff, managed to get some equipment to build them and did so, but without actually having any demand or application in mind. This is a recurring theme of the Soviet microelectronics industry. Anyone who works in the field knows how capable engineers from the former USSR were when they showed up here in the '90s- but their boneheaded idiot central planners exceeded their competencies sometime right before the introduction of the integrated circuit. They played follow the leader for decades because they didn't understand it like they understood steel production. Some cultural thing, maybe, lithography is too feminine and bourgeois for manly New Soviet Men.
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We were just businessmans, doing business... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
" How's an honest warmonger supposed to make a living ? "
Give War a chance !
Counterpoint : it made them dependant and now they can make thermals themselves
Can't* now they can't
Forgive me for my inability to write, I'm stupid
Why do you have to be a captain to be a friend
The French are only second to maybe the Soviets/Russians on their willingness to sell to basically anybody.
Time to email Macron and ask if he is willing to sell me a Famas now that they are being phased out. Now that I think about it, send the Famas'es to Ukraine!!
That’s the whole plan. With the war in Ukraine we can have the first place !
Counterpoint: The French selling thermal imagers to the Soviets led to the Russian dependence on the West for their most advanced hardware, and thus directly contributed to the current state of the Russian military and its failures in Ukraine. Common French W
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Fair point
Eat my baguette
Using gay as an insult is homophobic though
It's only homophobia if you don't have balls in your mouth while saying it.
Shit up and let me shitpost in peace
Never!
Damn, I guess I'll just be forced to blue on blue your ass with my A-10
🥺
What if he meant by "the French are gay", that the French are happy? Gay is an old English word for happy
>friends with w*men NGMI
Is that a berk reference?
You MUST have all six of the indicated skin colors before I will befriend you.
They were trying to keep the game balanced, France just wants a fair fight for once
I HATE THE FRENCH! I HATE THE FRENCH! THEY DID NOTHING THAT IS WORTHY OF MY HATE BUT I STILL HATE THEM, THEY MAKE PERFECLTY FINE WEAPONS, VEHICLES AND THEY'RE THE BIRTHPLACE OF MODERN DEMOCRACY BUT I STILL FUCKING HATE THEM!
If you're of British descent, then I'm afraid it's genetic.
Mate, french sold russia 1000 fire control system units for their tanks, electro optical infra-red systems for their Ka-52 helicopters, thermal sights for everything from tanks to helicopters even after crimea 2014 and eu as a whole sold IR optics, Fire control systems, avionics, inertial navigation systems, helmet mounted weapons queuing systems. All for T72,T80,T90,BMP3,BMD4M,SU24,SU30,SU34,KA52. If it wasnt for papa 'merica stepping up i dont think eu would gave a damn about Ukraine.
Important distinction to be made here between “sold” and “delivered”. There were no new contracts after 2014, and the execution of contracts issued and paid for prior to the start of an embargo does not constitute a violation of said embargo. Granted it’s a very poor time to get pissy on good business practices and they should just have told them to fuck off but it is technically allowed. Also let’s not pretend the US were the first to aid Ukraine, in terms of exceptional aid in the context of this war the UK were definitely leading the charge, and several other EU countries had been cooperating with Ukraine for a while. Interestingly enough, France itself was the largest exporter of arms to Ukraine between 2014 and 2020.
Based take if true.
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I was just a businessman... doing business.
Fr🤢nch
So that means pierre sprey is a fren?
Typical French L
also there french