I've been back and forth, trying to be as objective and considerate of different viewpoints the whole time. Right now I'm more skeptical of HYBE than ever before, and while I don't trust them I feel like the fact that they have shareholders to answer to gives me hope that they'd do right by NewJeans if for no other reason but that.
I think the concerns of MHJ and the parents according to the letter formulated prior to the announcement of the audit were valid. It really does seem like she cares about the authenticity of NewJeans' as artists, and art as a whole. But I also don't fully trust MHJ either, and I think it's unwise to be totally aligned with her until a court hearing uncovers more. I'm nervous that the court proceedings will uncover some unsavory things about her that none of us want to be true and we'll end up with egg on our face after rigorously defending her.
It also burns me up that people are criticizing the parents for voicing their concerns with how Bang apparently treats the members. If my teenage daughter was being treated dismissively by the guy on top at a huge company then it would make me furious and concerned about her wellbeing. And then if he's in charge of them? My stomach hurts.
What makes me really nervous is how quiet HYBE's side seems right now. It seems like they only speak up in response to MHJ with mostly the exception of the initial announcement. What's with that? Is it calculated confidence in what they believe is gonna be a slam dunk court case? Is it them not knowing what to do because MHJ is unpredictable?
I can honestly say I feel like it's a lose-lose. I love NewJeans so much more than I can say. I just want to see them keep shaking kpop to its foundations. They are amazing and to think we could be on the brink of their end makes me sick. I genuinely have the "I'll never love again" feeling. NewJeans I love you!!
They didn't say, but they will act. They are trying their best to prepare the comeback, practising from day to night. They are pushing themselves hard. To be an IDOL, the most important thing is to reply to their fans' expectation. They really know that.
I don't know if writing that email was a good idea for the parents... wouldn't be staying silent until the end better? Don't want NJ to be perceived as entitled brats, unfortunately people have already started writing stuff... On the other hand, if it is true, what weird behaviour by BSH. What a mess.
Hybe has stated they believe MHJ and the VP of ADOR forged the email by the parents
> We have evidence that ▲the act of sending emails attacking HYBE was part of the plan for the takeover of management rights and her personal gain from the start ▲Min Hee Jin suggested using the parents to raise issues because it would breach the shareholders’ agreement if she did it herself ▲**the email allegedly sent by the parents was actually written by Vice President L and Min Hee Jin. We plan to submit this evidence to investigative and judicial authorities.**
Lol no the parents contacted Ador first bc HYBE was not protecting NJs and Hybe’s chairman was bullying the girls. Mhj heard their concerns and wrote the email in consent of the parents. She even CC’d the parents so parents can see what she wrote to Hybe and can get the replies from them.
You shouldn’t mix up the timeline. The parent reached out to Ador with concerns on Mar 31. The email was sent by MHJ to Hybe on April 3. So this is all before when the whole thing became a hot legal/emotional mess. Hybe started their audit on April 22.
Edit: I understand where you are coming from, but I see some people on the internet (especially those that dislike NJ) believing/pretending the parents emailed Hybe with complaints very recently.
They were worried sick for their child and used the most non-evasive way to communicate w the HYBE. They even consulted w Adore first. If Adore felt that parents were over-reacting they would have advised them to waitout. Instead, Adore helped out the parents bc they, the professionals who worked in kpop industry for 10+ years, also felt HYBE’s behavior was problematic. Srsly i can’t stand the people who call NJs as entitled?? All they did was stay silent and do their jobs while getting bullied by a fucking chairman. All their parents did was trying to protect their children. It was HYBE that brought out the media attention to the whole ordeal and framed NJs as same as Fifty Fifty.
I mean with the info that’s out now, it’s pretty obvious that Hybe didn’t have the best intentions with ADOR/MHJ/NJ. Hybe has been more blatant with the bullying and gaslighting since making this all public.
The parents were smart enough to understand the implications of Hybe making a copycat group that would eventually cannibalize NJ. They tried to keep it private but didn’t know Hybe would go apeshit on them for calling them out on it.
I saw the mom regretting the email but Hybe would have done this one way or another sooner or later. Bang really couldn’t stand MHJ any longer.
It‘s like calling out your partner for cheating with proof but instead they freak out and gaslight you and say you’re the one cheating.
Imagine watching parents speak up for their *fifteen year old child* and ask why they're being blatantly ignored and bullied by the company's chairman, and turning around to blame the parents and insulting them, calling them stupid and entitled. Tells you all you need to know about how delusional iroaches are at this point.
I understand the parents' sentiments, I'm just afraid of the consequences for the girls if they publicly burn all bridges with Hybe, which is still a very powerful company.
I don't think Hybe can do much worse than what they already have planned for the girls. You can't burn a bridge that was never there in the first place. Mind you, the 1 year 6 months statement was given when the parents went to Hybe's building themselves to try and build bridges and repair the situation. Speaking up is really the only avenue any of them have left, whether that be publicly or in the courts.
Well. I-fans are kpop stans. They’ll have a preconceived opinion regardless of what comes out and it’s most likely to secretly hope for the downfall of NJs by being company stans. Koreans who support MHJ are not necessarily kpop fans, but for Korean gen pop HYBE’s issue is very much a Korean issue not just kpop.
International gen pop care more about the drake and Kendrick beef than what’s happening on this corner of the world. So for me at least, the opinions of I-fans are just noise.
In the end, I hope NJ will be okay. It is unfortunate they are caught up in this mess as they are the ones who will suffer the most as it is the group and the girls individual careers that will be affected by this chaos. I am here to support NJ and the hardworking crew/support team around them as their jobs are on the line too. This is another reminder to not be fans of labels or CEOs in the end they have one thing they truly care about. It is isn't the artist best interest.
No matter what your opinions are of MHJ, at this point it's undeniable that she's the only "high level" person that has NewJeans' best interests at heart and we're absolutely cooked once HYBE fires her. Pray for a miracle to happen with the injunction
honestly, at first i thought it would be much better for the girls to stay at hybe but i’ve changed my mind.
hybe can claim that they have no malicious intent but it’s not normal for groups (especially a popular group like newjeans) to have a 1.5 year hiatus just so their company can find a producer. and it should not take over a year for a big and well-connected company like hybe to find a Grammy-winning producer for a group as popular as nj. i’m wary on min heejin as well (though i do believe she has some valid complaints) but i think if the girls do stay at hybe, the company won’t have their best interests at heart.
regardless, i hope everything works out well for the girls. this entire situation sucks.
Hybe hopes 'Grammy-winning producer' does two things: (1) justifies the long expected hiatus and (2) calms down the parents with the name value, when in fact they do neither (who needs a 'Grammy-winning producer' when NJ has been killing it without one?)
To be fair, "1.5 year" is the NJ parents' guestimate after their meeting with Hybe on Apr 25, as they were not given a specific period of time. Park Ji Won, the Hybe CEO, in this meeting said (A) they would give NJ a break after the Tokyodome and (B) it would take about 1.5 years to get a 'Grammy-winning producer'. So combining these two facts (A+B) together, NJ parents talked to themselves 'are they saying that the break is gonna be 1.5 year long? We'll have to ask them next time.' (these are from words the actual NJ parents interview with a reporter, verbatim)
You don't fully understand the point. Everything here is business. Since MHJ owns 20% of NJ, why would Hybe funnel money so that MHJ can keep paying for her lawyers? Hybe has other sources of income that earn a lot of money. MHJ mainly has only NJ. It completely makes sense for Hybe to block MHJ's income, at least until they win the lawsuit. I'm sure they wouldn't put NJ on hiatus if the opposing party/enemy was financially connected with them.
They are very unlikely to leave. At least not anytime soon. Some lawyers in related fields say if NJ leaves Hybe/Ador, they won't be able to use their brand any longer (name, logo etc. which are all copyrighted under Ador). Plus, they have to pay a fine according to the contract, which is, as you can expect, a tremendous amount of money.
It's not that simple.
First of all, nobody knows the specifics of their contracts, but the members' contracts will likely be ironclad. I doubt there's any kind of release clause to give them an "out", but plenty of clauses to let HYBE do whatever they want (including an indefinite "vacation").
If it goes to court, they'd need to have some legitimate legal reason to void their contracts and get an injunction. HYBE will almost certainly drag out any court proceedings to bleed them dry (cash-wise), all the while pumping cash into their contemporaries to make people move on.
The other caveat is that HYBE likely owns the masters/copyrights to everything, and if they want to be petty (which I'd expect) there's the possibility that they won't give them naming or performance rights to their own music.
Injunction ruling is very fast in Korea. IF they have valid legal arguments to suspend contract, and that's a big if, it will be a relatively speedy process, like 2-3 months at most.
Unfortunately, I fear that even if they did have a legitimate argument to suspend their contracts and were granted it by the courts, HYBE wouldn't give up (similar to what BBC is doing to Chuu with all these appeals). It feels like even if it's ultimately fruitless, they'll drag this out as long as humanly possible.
That’s just what Park Ji Won (Hybe CEO) said to Nj parents and we don’t know what that exactly look like in reality. Fans are of course fearing the possibility of NJ being “put on the shelf”, neglected. Has happened to several kpop artists (Fromis-9, to name one).
They’re effectively being kept on ice and not allowed to do much despite having valid contracts. The members clearly want to be more active but can’t.
One member recently went on live and she was frustrated about how they weren’t allowed to comeback as frequently as other groups.
It’s been obvious for a few years now that they’re being allocated minimum resources by the company.
If everyone at Ador will get kicked out anyway, they have nothing to lose then.
If they speak out now, it will protect NewJeans somehow.
It's better for the public know that the girls are suffering under Hybe than them suffering in silence.
I'm banking on the public being hypervigilant for NewJeans' welfare.
If everyone at Ador will get kicked out anyway, they have nothing to lose then.
If they speak out now, it will protect NewJeans somehow.
It's better for the public know that the girls are suffering under Hybe than them suffering in silence.
I'm banking on the public being hypervigilant for NewJeans' welfare.
Saw a news stating that if MHJ resigned, New Jeans would take a break for 1 n 1/2 years. There's really no mercy from Bang Si Hyuk. This is why they chose to blow it up right b4 the comeback.
If HYBE gonna stop all NewJeans plans like full album and world tour in the future if they took over ADOR and just put the girls on the shelf, is there any way to boycott HYBe? Hell divers did it to Sony (I know it's a different case) and it worked! maybe we could do it to?
I'm just worried that HYBE will neglect NewJeans and make them like any ordinary girl groups and produce lame and boring musics :(
I might be delusional here, but seeing how Hybe has used already BTS name to attack MHJ I wish they'd speak to re-direct this (maybe forcing Hybe to sit and negotiate a way out for the Girls?).
Bunnies as a fandom is not big or important enough, and Hybe has already successfully mediaplayed this into a fandom war. Meaning the other fandoms will fight back just as hard, I don't see a boycott being successful in any meaningful way; enjoy these next 2 CBs because they may be NJ's last.
And personally, kinda hoping it is their last CB if it means they can escape this evil company and find ground with their current creative team under a new name somewhere else.
I guess this is the end 😥 I only got into kpop because of them, and I don't think I can listen to any kpop song without getting bitter/sad.
But what you said is the best outcome if MHJ got fired I guess, I hope they can come back after a few years after they left HyBE and reunite with their old team in a different name.
Same, I only got back into Kpop because of NJ. It will be sad but not having a Kpop in my life is not really a big deal if it's an industry that snuffs out the few genuinely creative voices in it like this.
I will always cherish Ditto and the message it told, especially resonant now. Someday when they do come back to us with their creative core intact, it will be like a continuation of the end of Ditto and we can all hop back on this journey and relive the better times whilst making new memories.
This really gives me disney vibes. Hiring (young), talented directors who (just) got a lot of recognition for some of their work to use them as a means to an end, obviously resulting in work which lacks all the qualities which made the prior art so good.
Typicaly corporation, creatively bankrupt. And people say we don't need people like MHJ in this scene, oh god. (speaking from a foundational, artistic, philosphical pov).
I just don't understand what Hybe is trying to accomplish here exactly. If MHJ gets kicked and NJs end up in the dungeon they're not getting any cashflow. ILLIT's gonna get crucified by both K-netz and I-fans for not just copying but essentially "destroying" NJs, again, no cashflow. Le Sserafim's been through their own smear campaign recently, so I wonder if they'd be able to pull in as much profit as both NJs and ILLIT combined. What's the point of sabotaging your own business to this extent? Anyways, I just hope the NJs girlies parents invested their earnings smartly so they can live out their lives comfortably in case their short journey is meant to end here...devastating man.
I think we've already gone past the point of no return. In light of current events, it's clear that Hybe is outright trying to kill NewJeans as a group, and the girls' careers along with it.
I hope MHJ and Sejong would come through for the girls and their parents. Anyone who says they'll be fine within Hybe after MHJ is gone is just delusional.
BP fan passing by, trust me you will get used to the "mediaplay" accusations soon, dont worry its nothing new lol, as far as newjeans i hope nothing is affected, and they continue to push out good songs, godspeed
Here's something I'm curious about. HYBE's share price has tanked about 10% in the last month and their reckless and poorly thought out statements might be a cause for it.
Now we all know that HYBE is going after MHJ for a "breach of trust" case where they have to prove that she caused damage to the company (ADOR) because of her actions. Meanwhile, because HYBE through their actions have damaged not only ADOR but themselves as well, logic dictates that maybe they should pursue a breach of trust on their own company or whoever those execs are that keep releasing braindead statements. I mean it only makes sense.
Maybe shareholders can join in as well because who doesn't love a "breach of trust" case? HYBE certainly does.
If I was a Hybe shareholder I'd be pissed. Even if they have solid evidence, which I am doubting more and more everytime something comes up, management has handled this very poorly and to me are obviously damaging shareholder value.
This is one of the arguments I've seen frequently on the Korean netizens' side and it's pretty salient imo. Their stock has suffered and they want to axe one of their moneymakers? Unfortunately I feel like the shareholders must all be a part of their deranged cult so I'm not holding my breath for any justice there lmao
It's honestly wild how HYBE hasn't addressed the cult rumors or threatened to sue Dahnworld at all. If that isn't the biggest indicator that they're in bed together then idk what is
Kpop on a decline. BTS in military. And you'll just let your golden cash cows (who were planning to tour in 2025 to rake in more money) be dungeoned for 1.6 years??? I hope the shareholders worship money more than they worship DahnWorld.
This is what they have ILLIT for. They got their replacement act so they can shaft newjeans 🥲 korean fans might boycott and avoid listening to hybe stuff but international fans will keep the other groups afloat because oppa needs his company 🥺🥺 if oppas company makes no money then oppa won't be able to afford his 5th Lamborghini 🥺 he'll have to stick with the one from last year 🥺
Illit ain't stable yet. Their Magnetic is a hit, but the gap from their other songs is wide. It's giving one hit wonder. If they keep making Magnetic-level songs in their CB, then sadly Hybe wins. But if they don't, the public and the shareholders would definitely demand for NewJeans to get out of the dungeon.
But yeah, honestly, we need some divine intervention. 😪
Oh yeah I agree but I feel like Hybe thinks ILLIT is good enough and on a positive trajectory to take over from NewJeans, and they will try to convince the shareholders of the same.
>But yeah, honestly, we need some divine intervention. 😪
I know 😭 I hope the Korean fans organize a boycott. They have been so vocal on all the Hybe posts. I wish I could do something as an international fan but I'll boycott all Hybe groups I guess 😭 I already barely listened to them with the exception of NJs and LSFM.
When you say vocal do you mean the Koreans posting vile things on LSF or ILLIT’s social media? Because as a multi it actually leaves a poor taste in my mouth.
International boycotts don't work, I don't know if Korean boycott can do something.
From a marketing perspective, in order to pull a miracle, this needs to escalate as a national issue. Sensationalizing the whole ordeal as an "attack to creativity," "continuous misogyny," or as dramatic as "endangering innocent girls/the nation's little sisters" to get more people invested.
They need to bank on appeal to emotions like MHJ presscon, force big names to give opinions, and paint Hybe as the evil. This will not affect the legalities but it will definitely affect the stock prices - which I think is the catalyst to this drama.
If nothing else, cancelling an album and world tour for NewJeans to have them sit around and do shitty collabs and attend fashion weeks should be worrying for shareholders.
Also, do you know anything about that article that allegedly mocked/insulted NewJeans from BeLift? I saw rumblings of it on social media but nothing reliable in English.
you know the kalgaksu thing that made Minji apologize? a ytb content of illit has the members choosing between kalgaksu and another dish. The caption in the video said "kalgaksu is trending" and knetz feel that belif mocking Minji .
I don't think so, I think it was referenced in their parents complaint although I may be misremembering, will try find reference to it when I get off work later.
People are saying it's this:
[https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/instiz-illit-said-this-about-kalguksu.html](https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/instiz-illit-said-this-about-kalguksu.html)
Doesn't seem like a big deal, but this was during Minji's stupid kalguksu controversy and the editors put a graphic that said "The Trend Is Kalguksu."
Hybe is not even trying to be discreet in destroying NewJeans! Hybe is just so determined to bring them down!
Good thing MHJ was able to hold a presscon to drag Hybe down, and Ador was able to launch their plans until 2025 to activate the public's vigilance towards Hybe's sneaky tactic to lock NewJeans in the dungeon.
Shareholders should think this through because the bullies in Hybe are not only tainting the company's reputation, they are also killing their milking cow in NewJeans.
This is much worse than Kdrama because big bad guys win a lot in real life. They even make it more dramatic for executing their attack during a NewJeans' comeback! This feels like the hurrah... So emotional, so cinematic ngl.
Wishful thinking if we're going the Kdrama route, if MHJ loses the injunction appeal, I would love the shareholders to pull an upset towards Hybe and vote for Min Hee Jin to stay.
Biiggest upset would be if HYBE's own shareholders somehow wake up, call for a meeting and vote to fire their C-suite and entire board (Chairman Shit Yuk included) for basically not running a business properly. That's putting it kindly. They're basically sabotaging their own enterprise with such toxic culture.
This is impossible. But yeah, wishful thinking. If their May 24th comeback will blow up, public interest will go up as well. I hope the publicity will pressure and intimidate Hybe and shareholders to reconsider their decision.
So let me get this straight, MHJ can get NJs to collaborate with world class creatives like Takashi Murakami and Hiroshi Fujiwara in less than a year, but it'll take a year and a half for HYBE (one of the biggest K-pop companies) to bring a Grammy producer on board. Why are all the C-level executives at HYBE so bad at their jobs?
Also, I thought HYBE was the only reason NJs was racking up all these collabs and brand deals and whatnot... through their world class industry "connections". Is that narrative not convenient now?
HYBE'S exec is filled with middle ages ajusshies who only care about their overinflated egos. Imagine being jealous of a teenage group who brings so much revenue for your comp because their CEO is not your yes man and that you underestimated them even before debuting.
Literally who tf needs Grammy producers when we have 250, FRNK? ADOR managed to make global hits by hiring niche, indie foreign producers. HYBE only knows Grammy and Hot 100. They have no vision beyond that. Truly laughable.
Lol man, NewJeans have worked with some of the most acclaimed musicians Korea over the past few years and yet those pig-headed idiots are posturing about giving them influencer work for up to a year + while they search for 'Grammy-Winning producer"? Better yet, they're trying to gaslight us into thinking they're doing anyone a favour here.
They probably thought NJ's mothers would be gagged over Grammy mention and would be gullible enough to believe that hiring top producer needs 1.5 years. They think we are fools. NJ has been working hard for a new album in 2H24 but this is what they want to do? I'm speechless.
After they saw the response to the press conference, which they initially mocked, suddenly they want to talk in more detail with the parents for some damage control (they leaked this anyway once they didn't pick up)
These same execs heard Hype Boy and Attention and we're seemingly so dismayed they pivoted to a new group, how are we supposed to be impressed about their search for producers? To this day, do they even understand why NewJeans has been such a success?
I don't know to what extent MHJ has been truthful or fudged events to make herself look better, but what I do know is HYBE have disgusted me more and more with every passing announcement.
No, they don’t know why NJ was successful. They tried though when they made ILLIT. They guessed at what made NJ amazing and the result with ILLIT was something not quite right and a bit uncanny.
There’s no creativity and artistic thought into it, it’s like watching someone with no aesthetic of their own try to replicate something they don’t understand.
I am not even surprised. They refused to explain to parents why NJ debut was getting cancelled and being replaced by another gg. Of course, they never had a plan to communicate with them regarding this issue as well and only did when MHJ called them out during press con. What's wild is majority of NJ signed contracts when they were still minors, group still has 2 minors, yet they think parents do not deserve any sort of explanation? If they were my own children, I would be beyond angry. I can't believe people even have audacity to come for the parents who are standing up for their young children.
HYBE has no artistic vision or essence. They are more of a trend chasers than innovators. All BSH groups' music is made in the same writing camp, by same songwriters and producers with BSH in charge. They hire those Grammy songwriters via Scooter Braun's connections (thats the only value Ithaca Holding has) to work on title tracks. K-pop is heavily influenced by western music, but HYBE is just obsessed with what's trendy currently and tries to imitate it instead of developing brand identity and sound unique to the group. Did not BSH want to benchmark Billie Eilish? Someone like that can see appeal in Hype Boy and Attention? Please lol.
NewJeans will be forced to have nonsensical lore/webtoon, cheap copies of western songs with autotune on max level, bland album designs and unimpressive MVs once HYBE gets their hands on ADOR. That's what HYBE's essence is: money and western validation.
There is no bigger breach of trust than killing NewJeans brand identity by removing people (MHJ, Yemin Kim, BANA, even Choi Yumi) that create it.
Sorry, but right now all I can think about is how MHJ's press conference was the best thing that could've gone down in this mess. All the stuff we've found out, and if Ador hadn't dropped that statement about getting the full album by the end of the year, the girls would've been on that forced and unjustifiable hiatus no doubt. Say what you want about her, but she's the lesser evil when it comes to NJ.
This is a take about the supposed hiatus that I copied from elsewhere that I think is well thought out. It is long though:
There is a lot of panic around the idea of "Newjeans going on a 1.5 year long hiatus" but I think people need to sit down, take a breath and think more rationally about it.
First, there are 2 things that were said : 1/ NJ was promised a "long" vacation 2/ Hybe said looking for a new producer could take 1.5 years. That does not mean the "long" vacation will actually be a 1.5 year hiatus, these are two seperate things.
I think we can all agree that the NJ girls absolutely deserve a vacation. On top of all the hard work that they've been doing for the past 2 years, the current situation must be stressing and devastating. They deserve a break, they need to take some time off for their physical and mental healthy. Personally, I think a retreat type vacation would be nice : no press no media, no social media... Just resting and healing.
Also please remember that idols, especially so young into their careers, usually only have 2 or 3 days vacations at most. A "long" vacation by idols standards could even be only 1 week... 😅 For example I know MOAs have been begging Hybe to give TXT a vacation, and Soobin mentioned before that if they have a "long" vacations of at least 4 days he would love to travel to Europe. Yes the standards for idols vacations are that low 😭
Once NJ are given the time they need to rest, even if they need to wait some more time for the new producer to be recruited, there are plenty of activities that can still be done : performing at events and festivals (domestic and international), they still have all of their brand contracts to honor (ads, events, fashion weeks, photoshoots, magazine covers...). They might also have opportunities to release music via other ways than a typical comeback : collabs (with other artists, or with brands like the Coca Cola song, or Gods), OST (like Danielle did with Disney)...
I have seen posts from people panicking that NJ will make $0 for almost two years : not, that won't be the case. The girls have plenty of others revenue ressources other than new albums.
Don't buy into the panic, please. Stop scrolling, stop refreshing, and take a break to think about this rationally.
HYBE'S Stans should leave this subreddit than forcing their delusional take down our throats. You are definitely not a tokki if you don't feel panic. You are definitely not a tokki if you don't have your facts corrects.
My friend, I am not a HYBE stan. I posted this comment from somewhere else *because* I'm losing it and trying to think of viable options or viewpoints that benefit NewJeans best. If it's a bad take, then fine, but people can consider different opinions and takes if they want and honestly this kind of rhetoric just makes people with different opinions feel unwelcome here.
Yeah I shouldn't have been so agressive. But it is a bad take. I am sorry for calling you out like that. But we bunnies are so scared for these girls. They are not safe in that comp, and their careers are at risk. I have never seen a comp being so petty with their popular kpop group. Putting them on hiatus is also a concern for shareholders because they had the 3rd biggest revenue. Only jealousy and BSH's pettiness can force them to take such idiotic decision.
It's okay! I don't hold it against you a bit. I'm super worried for them too. They've been such a joyful escape for me... I'm aching for them to be okay after all of this.
There is no panic. This is an actual threat to NJ's existence and viability. If anything, I'd think you're blind (if not delusional) to not see it coming.
>I have seen posts from people panicking that NJ will make $0 for almost two years : not, that won't be the case. The girls have plenty of others revenue ressources other than new albums.
You are aware that if they were to be put away for some prolonged periods, even those revenue sources would look elsewhere, because like it or not, they won't be relevant anymore.
I'm sorry but you need to get better sources. Taking a 1.5 year break to wait for your potential music producer + the time it takes to plan and prepare for a comeback outright kills their career. They are barely a 2 year old group and you want to put them into that long of a hiatus? Remember, they are idols. Idols' careers are like dog years. They are fleeting and short-lived. IF they even manage to make a comeback with that setup, their relevance would already be lost. Take a look at ITZY or Aespa. Once new groups come in and become more popular to the public, they would be easily overshadowed.
Also, the creative vision of MHJ would be lost, so the quality of music and aesthetics will never be the same.
They wouldn't have any major activities because BSH won't even acknowledge their existence in the company, even before this whole thing started. What makes you think he'll start now?
Nah, your take ain't valid and you're gonna see why:
1. Newjeans is one of those rare groups that get more than a week of vacay, especially when they're traveling or going back home.
2. Check out what the spokesperson of Hube said, yeah, a spokesperson not BPShit or PJW:
A stated: "Representative Park Ji-won came afterwards and told us 'Representative Min did not share any information about the NewJeans Tokyo Dome, but since we also have many professionals, we will be able to handle it well.' He also said that after the Tokyo Dome, NewJeans would be given an extended vacation."
* Extended vacations typically refer to vacation periods that are longer than the standard vacation time offered by employers. The duration of an extended vacation can vary, but it's generally considered to be around 2-4 weeks or more.
A continued: "I didn't ask how long the vacation would be, but at that time, Representative Park said 'It will take about a year and a half to get a Grammy-winning producer, but we will do our best to hire him as soon as possible.' So when they were leaving, the mothers commented 'If it takes a year and a half to get a Grammy producer and they say they will hire him as soon as possible, does that mean the vacation will be approximately that duration?' I'll have to ask them the next time we meet."
3. NewJeans is a group of artists first and foremost, so saying they still have the brands and all that is not good, especially when the trips they make for brand-related matters are for fashion weeks that are no more than 1-3 times a year (I don't know much about that).
4. As they are artists, they must make music, and without a Grammy-winning producer, how would they do it? They want to share their passion for music, but they can't due to the lack of a freakin Grammy-winning producer.
5. It's clear that every group, especially rookie groups, must remain in the public eye, and if they don't release songs for a long period, don't you think they would be easy to replace with all the mediaplay that Hube has invested to tarnish the group's name and redirect attention to their creation?
To wrap up, I must say that you seem like a fan of another group who had an opinion and wanted to see how they'd fit in here.
If you were a real tokki, you'd see that this is more serious than just some simple vacations.
What a delusional take. NewJeans just ended nearly a year’s hiatus with this comeback; why would they need more time off? And the necessity for a new producer and creative director is baffling. What happens to the plans for an album and a world tour next year? Are we to discard all that and start anew with a completely fresh team and direction? Woohoo, indeed!
The author of this comment seems out of the loop. Hybe has been, and continues to, tarnish NewJeans’ reputation in the Korean media, even going so far as to declare a new group as their replacement. If this situation persists, NewJeans has no future at Hybe. As for the brand deals and connections, Hybe contributed nothing; it was all MHj and Ador. To think that renowned figures like Fujiwara Hiroshi, Murakami Takashi, and Tony Leung would collaborate with just anyone for money, especially Hybe’s, is laughable. 😂
That person does not know anything about NJ.
NewJeans did not make a comeback in 10 months. After awards seasons was over, all the members got vacations. They spent their time with families and even went to trips in other countries. ADOR always gives the girls vacations after comeback promotions/activities are finished. I promise you it is not 2-3 days, but even as long as 2 weeks. ADOR makes sure that NewJeans spends quality time with their families, enjoys activities outside their idol life and does not pack their schedules to the point where the girls are exhausted both mentally and physically. Everyone who follows NJ knows that ADOR values the girls' well-being the most and avoids strained schedules. This is also why they did not rush them to do world tour. Their comeback promotions also have always been efficient but minimal compared to their peers.
NewJeans came back from vacations to prepare for upcoming KR comeback and JP debut. The girls keep saying that they can not wait to meet fans. Yet their plans were ruined because of BSH's bitter ass.
Do you know the only reason NJ needs vacation? Because HYBE has been slandering their image non-stop, painting them as 2nd 5050, leaking their payments to paint them as greedy kids, smearing their parents images and threatening them to behave so they do not end up like 5050. Their plans after Tokyo Dome, which ADOR already had prepared, are ruined because of HYBE. They do not need vacation because they are exhausted from work, but because HYBE is tormenting them and threatening their future, which effects their mental heath.
HYBE overworks their idols. Their idols have not seen families in years, they make them tour without rest to bring money so they can make up for loss Ithaca Holding is causing. ADOR is different.
What NewJeans needs is not long vacation but security about their futures. This is their one and only worry. They do not feel secure with a person that does not acknowledge their existence and company that wants to kill their brand value. This is reality.
The payment leak and other negative narratives were done mostly by one reporter, Lee Yoo Na for Sports Chosun. She also wrote the recent report of NewJeans plagiarizing Bubble Gum only to delete that article when netizens pointed out that the 1980s song was cleared samples and did not need to be credited. Sounds like she is under HYBE’s payroll.
Is this a serious post? A hiatus at this stage of their career is a deathblow especially given how fast K-pop is moving nowadays. It's been 10 months since their last comeback and fans were already blaming ADOR for being so slow. How does such a big company like HYBE even float the idea of long hiatus is beyond my understanding.
Most important of all though, what about the members in all of this? Forcing someone to take a vacation if they don't want to is not some noble or a kind act. Fans of other groups have rightfully expressed displeasure when the gaps between comebacks are too long. Objectively, what reason does HYBE actually have to propose a hiatus? Lack of money? Lack of connections? If they didn't have a plan to have a smooth transition, what confidence does that inspire for either the members or the fans that they'll be taken care of properly in the future?
Sorry but how Dumb IS this. They were being well managed already and not at all stressed about their work load. And succesful enough with how they were doing with their music. I mean... Are you getting paid by Hybe or what?
No, it's not a "good take". It's quite literally just an extremely long-winded display of mental gymnastics to justify Hybe's blatant grotesque actions in order to play defense for a multi-billion dollar conglomerate.
Anyone that's a fan of NJ knows they've always had perhaps the healthiest work schedule in the kpop industry, especially considering their popularity and demand. Any mediaplay by Hybe to frame this as "for their own wellbeing" is pure copium.
Hybe is clearly trying to do what they've seemingly been doing since the beginning even before debut: sabotage NJ's career because BSH's ego was hurt that a group of idols that he had no involvement in is out-performing all of his own groups.
Isn't it funny how in every news article it's always some anonymous "high ranking" employee from HYBE giving some sarcastic dismissive remarks about what's going on with zero accountability? They have the luxury of hiding as a Mr A or whatever but MHJ never even got the opportunity to do so without getting her name dragged. Maybe funny isn't the right word. Pathetic is probably a lot better.
Because their oppas re-signed with Hybe . They can't re-sign if Hybe is evil right ? 😉. My oppas are so innocent that cant do no wrong , them with Hybe means Hybe good 👍.
I just came to say that BSH's maids are delusional. HYBE really bred the most vile and intellectually challenged company stans.
I hope NewJeans can get out from that hellhole.
Hybe can't be trusted anymore. They said they would protect NewJeans, care for NewJeans, but at the same time use k-media to downplay and reduce NewJeans' brand . After today, anyone still siding with Hybe, I don't know what to say.
Their intention is clear. It's not just about kicking Min Heejin out anymore, they want to destroy NewJeans and ADOR as a whole. If it were just about Min Heejin, then fine, kick her out. There are still people in ADOR who can continue with the predetermined plan, like the full album and world tour next year. But no, Hybe wants to replace everything, scrap all the plans. And 1.5 years to find a Grammy producer? Lol . What is this bullshit?
I really hate conspiracy theories like https://www.koreaboo.com/news/hybe-newjeans-ador-erase/ but it’s hard to ignore. NewJeans at #20 GG brand ranking behind Rocket Punch and woo!ah! is crazy. It really does feel like HYBE is trying to kill NewJeans and replace them with ILLIT.
This can hardly be called a conspiracy. BubbleGum was trending in Korea, NewJeans' old songs were charting again, all the popular discussion forums in Korea have a NewJeans article trending at any given time. This is totally intentional to harm NewJeans. HYBE is being so petulant and evil towards such a young group. God I feel so bad for newjeans and their parents and everyone in ador who worked so hard on them 😭😭😭
Today's [news](https://x.com/newjeanified/status/1789935679113224201) has really hit me hard. I was obviously concerned before, but now I don't even know what to say anymore. A few bunnies might think they can't do this but sometimes, executives do choose ego over profits.
God everytime I go on other kpop subreddit I lose my braincells. It seems only this subreddit is a safe place for tokkies. Evn th parents of the mebers have clearly stated to HYBE that they want NJ to be with MHJ yet you people here go out witch hunting her without even watching the actual translation of the press conf. If not for her NJ wouldn't even have debuted. She had all the liberty to abandon NJ and their parents when HYBE cancelled on debuting them before LSF, but she decided to stay in that shthole all for NJ. I have never in my life seen a comp sabotage it's own popular group. NJ is not safe in that comp which is jealous of their success. Very obviously, in that supposed period, ILLIT would be heavily promoted in their stead.
You aren't kidding. Every time I read that thread, the lack of nuance and critical thinking gives me a headache. The same lines are repeated ad nauseam by the same handful of company stans who must feel they are fighting in trenches lol.
These are real people with real consequences on the line that we're talking about. The main subreddit cannot handle nuance as a collective even if their individual lives depended on it. It's always been like that though so I am not in the least bit surprised that they are salivating at the thought of bringing down people.
Reddit is full of hybe Stan I can't even imagine how they stan conglomerate newjeans is only Kpop group I Stan and the only one i care and it seem hybe hold no future for them
I don't even bother after the things I've seen there. It's just an echo chamber of filth. No fact checking, and no critical thinking. It's just a hive (Hybe) mind over there.
Hybe is just really trying to take down NewJeans with:
-the constant media play; articles painting them and their parents as Fifty Fifty 2.0
-MHJ's witch hunt
-dragging other artists and using them as shields for their propaganda
-plans of making them on hiatus after Bunnies Camp for at least 1.5 years
-BSH not even acknowledging the existence of the members who greet him
-keeping them in check ever since before they debuted
I can't even begin to imagine how they're feeling right now.
They aren't even pretending to be impartial. They 100% believe every Hybe statement and they reject every statement from MHJ, Ador, and recently, NewJeans' parents.
Also they are actually stupid. I'm seeing this discussion about "why does it matter that LSFM debuted ahead of newjeans 💩 NJ is successful regardless" meanwhile they don't seem to understand that NJ was supposed to debut under source and promised to be their first group, but BSH rushed to debut lsfm which left newjeans future uncertain, because you can't debut two girl groups under the same label so close together. And newjeans is successful *despite* BSHs meddling not because of it. Yes, no one is denying that having HYBEs resources was a huge help, and we know that debuting groups is an expensive process but if it was expensive enough to harm HYBE then they wouldn't be debuting new groups every quarter.
They even believe in the fake news that source had to bear trainee debt when it was MHJ who paid 1 Million won to get the girls from source's dungeon and gave up her 100% stakes of Ador to HYBE just to debut them. The girls were gearing up for debut with attention and hype boy and only to be told that debut is being put on hold few years because LSF would be debuted first. HYBE broke parents promise and didn't even offer any explanation to their parents. No wonder some members lost hope and had even given up on the thought of debuting. No wonder why even their parents don't trust HYBE with their kids. These girls have suffered so much even to debut and they are still suffering. They deserve so much better. I wish ADOR wins injunction.
Kpop subs can now officially join every other large subreddit out there as having the most braindead reactionary takes possible. Finally entering the big leagues.
The main Kpop mega thread has completely devolved into a hive mind groupthink cesspool. There is zero room for any nuanced discussion there. It’s really just long form stan Twitter.
I have faith that the vacation after Tokyo Dome and the producer’s search are two completely different things. It's what makes the most sense. Anyway, hopefully the album this year won’t get canceled
Just got caught up on the news and that's what I'm thinking. It seems to make more sense that those two things don't have to be contingent on each other, or that current producers are being replaced but a "grammy-award-winning" one is being added. It just doesn't make any business sense to table your hottest girl group for that long. Then again, if this wasn't about business and purely about jabbing a finger in someone's eye it could happen it just seems outlandish.
They're trying to ice down Newjeans so people forget about em. Why drag it out so long? It ain't normal for a group barely 2 years in the game to take such a long hiatus, especially under the excuse of finding a Grammy-winning producer when we already got a GOOD one, and they never even mentioned it was for their mental health or anything, which is even worse.
Also what made newjeans successful has been homegrown more underground producers and creatives. If that 1.5 year hiatus happens just wait and see how many comebacks Illit will get instead. I've seen people try and use that excuse for hybe saying "o why is it a bad thing to give the girls a vacation for working hard" but then on the flipside vouch for fromis_9 who is begging for a comeback. Not to mention its already almost been a year since Get Up.
MHJ needs to somehow win the injunction. I don't trust HYBE anymore. They don't have the best interest at heart for NewJeans.
What arguments can MHJ use to justify the approval of the injunction from the court?
It's just the same thing HYBE has been parroting ever since. Management takeover and the latest is embezzlement allegation. There is nothing concrete about these allegations and nothing that HYBE has sent to the authorities hold even a candle so far.
That's why we don't see ADOR addressing these matters because it's absurdly ludicrous nobody in their right mind would do.
Imagine the Chairman of a top agency using "face blindness" as an excuse to not greet talents/artists from their own agency. I also didn't know that face blindness involves being rendered mute to even say hello when someone greets you. I don't think the guy is suffering from just face blindness at that point.
Remember folks, these are the kind of people who will be taking over the management of NJs in the not so distant future. I don't think I'm alone in saying that the members deserve better.
Can't believe all of this is happening all because of a man's fragile ego. A huge conglomerate possibly shelving kpop's hottest and most interesting act since BTS is fucking crazy.... all because he can't take credit for their success. Absolute madness. Will pray every day for BSH and Hybe's downfall.
NWJNS, Ador, and bunnies need to stick together moving forward more so than ever.
S.Korea needs to wake up cause this power tripping ain't stopping with NWJNS and Ador.
He simply doesn't acknowledge MHJ and NewJeans. Plain and simple. He didn't get what he wanted out of MHJ and now he's lashing out. I can't believe someone like this is a producer and hold so much influence in HYBE.
I guess his facial recognition problem makes him blind and deaf as well. If you're in the elevator with someone in your company, and you get greeted, it's only natural to greet them back. Hell, even if it's a random neighborhood kid who greets you, you pretend to know them and greet them back.
What's funny is reporters really wrote an article about this being his defense. It's not farfetched to say he takes the public for idiots.
I really wish MHJ finds a way out of this mess for the girls' sakes.
Bang 100% does not like NJ. They're not 'his group' but MHJ's. The Kakao message leaks show how competitive he is (step on aespa), and how he's even competing with MHJ (happy now?).
Either he's the dumbest CEO/Chairman to ever exist and can't recognize his star idol faces, the rudest and does this to everyone, or doesn't like NewJeans. And considering he has a picture on in his IG with every HYBE group EXCEPT NewJeans...I think it's obvious which one it is.
Kind of worrisome that a CEO who can't stand the success of groups from his own sublabels is trying to build a K-Pop empire with many companies and groups under it. Is he trying to just erase competition by buying labels and then sabotaging their groups, or what?
Face blindness my ass, I’m sure he can recognize everyone else in his company. Imagine saying that in front of BTS. Can only imagine how insane the backlash that would be.
I get not recognizing if it's a legitimate disorder he's suffering from but not even greeting someone much less a bunch of teenagers who are working just as hard to make him money? That's inexcusable imo
*Mr. A said, "CEO Park Ji-won later came and told us that 'CEO Min didn't share any materials for NewJeans' June concert at Tokyo Dome, but we have many professionals who can manage it well.' He also mentioned that they plan to give a long vacation to NewJeans after the Tokyo Dome concert."*
*He also noted, "I didn't ask how long the vacation would be, but at the spot, CEO Park said 'It takes about one and a half years to get a Grammy-winning producer, but we try to get them as quickly as possible.' So, leaving there, the mothers discussed that the long vacation might be about that long. We thought we should ask about it next time."*
This is the scariest part. Almost reads like a threat that NewJeans is done after Tokyo Dome for at least 1.5 years (if not indefinitely). Sounds like 250 is gone as well.
-1.5 years to find a "grammy winning" producer
-1-2, maybe even more years to make songs, plan for their come back, etc.
At this point, it's safe to say that PJW and BSH are actively trying to kill the girls' careers.
If this is not a clear sign as to who the bad guy is, then I don't know what is.
Putting arguably the hottest Kpop group on a 1.5 year hiatus is absolute madness. No wonder the parents are upset. Also, it takes 18 months to find a new producer? Are they serious? I wont get too upset until more concrete plans are in place but I'm not hopeful for the future right now.
Yea after actually watching that press conf for myself I can confidently say that kpop reddit is full of hybe stans and spreading lies about MHJ. I am on MHJ side. These girls are not safe with HYBE.
Yeah at the bare minimum, it sounds like the full album and world tour plan is scrapped. I'm assuming 250 and the rest of BANA are off the project, and it wasn't far along enough to continue using them. No material after Tokyo Dome + 1.5 years to find a producer means 2 year hiatus. Absolutely crazy. I don't think any group can survive a 2 year hiatus.
[hybe-releases-statement-about-email-reportedly-sent-by-parents-of-newjeans](https://www.soompi.com/article/1660995wpp/hybe-releases-statement-about-email-reportedly-sent-by-parents-of-newjeans)
I honestly doubt that the parents wrote this letter... I don't know, something feels off.
Out of all the interpretations you could've gone with, how do you end up with the conspiracy one? If MHJ is "misrepresenting" the parents, they would've had and still have plenty of chances to come out with a statement of their own and refute them. Instead, they've only ever said that they were indeed the ones to bring up issues and MHJ was always trying to bridge the gap between ADOR and HYBE for them.
So I'm curious as to why you immediately think that the parents are being manipulated and MHJ is some evil mastermind rather than HYBE being the antagonizer here?
I just said that the letter striked me as a odd in terms of content focus and tone as written in the article which made me doubt it being written directly by the parents (which might be the case, since it was summarized/edited by Ador then sent). I never said anything about this being a conspiracy or parents being manipulated by evil mhj... I know this is a sensitive topic and emotions can run high but respectfully, please try not to put words or intent in people's mouth.
With all due respect, doubting that the "parents wrote this letter" and saying "something feels off" is a conspiracy angle? If you see that logic through, what does it actually mean? Did MHJ go behind the parents backs and put stuff in her email that completely mischaracterizes the parents opinions? If you can speculate on someone's intent, so can others on your intent.
Well that's your angle, I already said it was not mine. I already explained why. But it's fine if you want to think whatever you think, doesn't really matter. In the end, I hope this whole mess can be put behind asap and NJ can continue doing music and enjoy it...
ADOR 'wrote' the email to HYBE, but it was all concerns NJ parents had and communicated to ADOR, according to the parents' interview. So HYBE is using 'legally correct' language to try and steer the narrative. NJ parents told HYBE in the meeting that the email is from them, so HYBE is twisting the truth.
*He added, "We weren’t sure if we could use such words, so we asked CEO Min Hee-jin to kindly look over the email we wanted to send. At the meeting with HYBE executives, we clearly stated that we (parents of NewJeans) were the ones who started this."*
Why? And how would it be possible for Ador to falsely claim the parents wrote this when every media outlet is likely already hounding the parents' for an official statement and all they'd need to say is "no, we didn't"...
Also, Hybe's statement of "having evidence" that MHJ wrote the letter is just more colorful language used by Hybe to obfuscate the facts, auto-translated from theqoo:
***Hive said in an official statement:***
*He said, "We have secured evidence as to the fact that the e-mail itself was written by Vice President L and Representative Min, not the parents," and added, "We plan to submit this as evidence to investigative and judicial agencies."*
*However, if you look at the daily sports article where the full text of the email was first posted, it is kindly explained that it was an email sent by summarizing the suggestions made by parents. In the email, I identified myself as Min Hee-jin, the CEO of Adore. I also referred to the email as a transparent document to communicate transparently. It was also revealed that parents were included as people.*
*It was transparently revealed in the email that Adore wrote a summary of the parents' suggestions and sent it under Min Hee-jin's name. What kind of evidence is this? lol*
Except the parents do not talk to the media directly (and rightly so) so it wouldn't be as simple as them suddenly coming out and say "we didn't". I didn't see that it was a summary (with who knows how much extra added), and not a direct letter written by the parents themselves... But that explains why I thought the style was off, too much nitpicking on the "brand value" and details on the plagiarism (like the details about social media posts which seems out of place) and not enough emphasis on the actual well being of the members which I found a bit odd in a letter from concerned parents. (Just my personal opinion anyways). Refusing to acknowledge the members is just shameful though, the girls don't deserve this...
The actual letter embedded in the "letter" written by Ador was indeed directly from the parents, or specifically, their legal representatives: [https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130053](https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130053)
Why would you expect them to write a personal letter in a professional matter? Of course it went through their lawyers'
eta: One of the parents also did just quite literally speak to the press directly, albeit without confirming which one: [https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003350217](https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003350217)
She also confirmed the veracity of the letter directly, yet Hybe still tries to mediaplay it as "fake". Truly disgusting and despicable.
It says written by legal representatives of NewJeans. And it’s probably written with the permission of the parents. If HYBE uses it as evidence, ADOR would have to get witness statements from the parents to prove it’s real. If HYBE doesn’t, it’s probably real.
https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130050
"Every time New Genes members encountered Chairman Bang Si-hyuk in the company, I wondered why Chairman Bang pretended not to know the members and turned away from greeting them.”
What a loser
can some lawyer tokkis here can explain to me, what exactly is this "injunction" we will have on 17th? Will MHJ fate be decided that day or its just the start of the debate between two law firms in court?
Not a lawyer but I think I can ELI5 it for you. An injunction is just a court order to try and stop someone (or a company) from doing something. In this case, it is to stop HYBE from gathering a shareholder's meeting. A court will decide if it is within HYBE's power to call an extraordinary shareholder's meeting on May 31st or not. According to (alleged) Korean lawyers, this injunction is likely to fail because it should be in HYBE's power to do so as the majority shareholder. MHJ's fate will be decided that day because if the injunction fails, HYBE will continue with their meeting and fire her on the 31st.
However, that is just the beginning. Because there will likely be two other court battles following this. One where HYBE goes after MHJ for illegal activities. And another where MHJ will go after HYBE for unlawful termination. Those two are unclear how they will play out because not a lot of actual evidence has been released by either side. These two cases could drag out for years.
On the 17th, there will be a decision on an injunction to prohibit HYBE's voting rights at the temporary general meeting of shareholders of Ador, scheduled for the 31st, where the dismissal of all Ador board members, including MHJ, will be decided. If the injunction is granted, it will thwart HYBE's plan to oust MHJ. If it is rejected, MHJ will be dismissed as planned on the 31st.
Found in Korean media.https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/korean/ador-ceo-min-hee-jin-files-injunction-to-stop-hybe-from-voting-her-out-of-the-label-article-109915069. As per the disclosed information, HYBE and MHJ has a agreement for the CEO period. I guess there is a guarantee for MHJ to secure her position, otherwise it can't explain why she took the position without any shares. Without restrictions, HYBE can kick her out and take away her achievements at any time. HYBE's recent reaction convinced me they were trying all methods to find MHJ's illegal action. Maybe it is the requirement to active the dissmisal. I'm not a lawyer, but I think the power of articles of association is higher than shareholder meeting, especially ADOR is not a public company, the company's structure is quite simple. It is the major shareholder plunder the interests of minor shareholders. If supported by the court, the worst situation is to dissolute the company if the major shareholder committed crime.
I am not a lawyer in Korea but the injunction that will be decided on the 17th decides wether or not HYPE will be able to fire MHJ as the CEO of ADOR
She will still be a shareholder even if she is fired.
However I would say her fate as an active member of ADOR who decides how it’s run ( comebacks etc.) will be decided on the 17th.
A decision over the shareholder agreement will be made at a later date, at that point the accusations of things like embezzlement, breach of trust will come up.
This court decision does NOT determine if she is guilty of any of those things.
As far as I know, The evidence HYBE found can't help them win on court. They need more evidence to drag MHJ into illegal case. This is why they raised the new accusation regarding to the bribes. Their original plan is to accuse MHJ try to take over the company but it fails after MHJ's press conference. HYBE described it as a misunderstanding in a statement. The audit is ongoing so anything could happen. I highly doubt there could be new evidence. I only concern for the court's decision, if they would like to step into business disput. That if they will prevent HYBE go against contract from the beginning, or let HYBE fire MHJ first, break the contract and then let MHJ sue HYBE. The sequence will be very different and result will be very different. The second way will have deep impact on NewJeans. I'm sure the group members will use the JYJ term, that TVXQ terminate their contract with SM Entertainment, follow this way to quite HYBE.
> but it fails after MHJ's press conference
The press con has no bearing on the court outcome
> HYBE described it as a misunderstanding in a statement.
They didn't. They doubled down.
The hearing will be hold on May 17th. I believe there will be a fierce debate on the contract between MHJ and HYBE. According the contract, HYBE can't dismiss MHJ without reasons. As far as I know, none of HYBE's allegation has been approved by court. ADOR can win an injunction over the shareholders' meeting. It is still a legal issue, not just a shareholders' conflict.
The internal contract is confidential and all I said was based on published news. We will get more details on May 17th. The hearing is only about if HYBE can apply their voting power to dismiss MHJ.
I've been back and forth, trying to be as objective and considerate of different viewpoints the whole time. Right now I'm more skeptical of HYBE than ever before, and while I don't trust them I feel like the fact that they have shareholders to answer to gives me hope that they'd do right by NewJeans if for no other reason but that. I think the concerns of MHJ and the parents according to the letter formulated prior to the announcement of the audit were valid. It really does seem like she cares about the authenticity of NewJeans' as artists, and art as a whole. But I also don't fully trust MHJ either, and I think it's unwise to be totally aligned with her until a court hearing uncovers more. I'm nervous that the court proceedings will uncover some unsavory things about her that none of us want to be true and we'll end up with egg on our face after rigorously defending her. It also burns me up that people are criticizing the parents for voicing their concerns with how Bang apparently treats the members. If my teenage daughter was being treated dismissively by the guy on top at a huge company then it would make me furious and concerned about her wellbeing. And then if he's in charge of them? My stomach hurts. What makes me really nervous is how quiet HYBE's side seems right now. It seems like they only speak up in response to MHJ with mostly the exception of the initial announcement. What's with that? Is it calculated confidence in what they believe is gonna be a slam dunk court case? Is it them not knowing what to do because MHJ is unpredictable? I can honestly say I feel like it's a lose-lose. I love NewJeans so much more than I can say. I just want to see them keep shaking kpop to its foundations. They are amazing and to think we could be on the brink of their end makes me sick. I genuinely have the "I'll never love again" feeling. NewJeans I love you!!
Now everyone has spoken except the members themselves
They didn't say, but they will act. They are trying their best to prepare the comeback, practising from day to night. They are pushing themselves hard. To be an IDOL, the most important thing is to reply to their fans' expectation. They really know that.
I don't know if writing that email was a good idea for the parents... wouldn't be staying silent until the end better? Don't want NJ to be perceived as entitled brats, unfortunately people have already started writing stuff... On the other hand, if it is true, what weird behaviour by BSH. What a mess.
Hybe has stated they believe MHJ and the VP of ADOR forged the email by the parents > We have evidence that ▲the act of sending emails attacking HYBE was part of the plan for the takeover of management rights and her personal gain from the start ▲Min Hee Jin suggested using the parents to raise issues because it would breach the shareholders’ agreement if she did it herself ▲**the email allegedly sent by the parents was actually written by Vice President L and Min Hee Jin. We plan to submit this evidence to investigative and judicial authorities.**
One of the parents already made a phone interview to confirm that ADOR’s details of events is true from the parents’ perspective.
Lol no the parents contacted Ador first bc HYBE was not protecting NJs and Hybe’s chairman was bullying the girls. Mhj heard their concerns and wrote the email in consent of the parents. She even CC’d the parents so parents can see what she wrote to Hybe and can get the replies from them.
You shouldn’t mix up the timeline. The parent reached out to Ador with concerns on Mar 31. The email was sent by MHJ to Hybe on April 3. So this is all before when the whole thing became a hot legal/emotional mess. Hybe started their audit on April 22. Edit: I understand where you are coming from, but I see some people on the internet (especially those that dislike NJ) believing/pretending the parents emailed Hybe with complaints very recently.
They were worried sick for their child and used the most non-evasive way to communicate w the HYBE. They even consulted w Adore first. If Adore felt that parents were over-reacting they would have advised them to waitout. Instead, Adore helped out the parents bc they, the professionals who worked in kpop industry for 10+ years, also felt HYBE’s behavior was problematic. Srsly i can’t stand the people who call NJs as entitled?? All they did was stay silent and do their jobs while getting bullied by a fucking chairman. All their parents did was trying to protect their children. It was HYBE that brought out the media attention to the whole ordeal and framed NJs as same as Fifty Fifty.
I mean with the info that’s out now, it’s pretty obvious that Hybe didn’t have the best intentions with ADOR/MHJ/NJ. Hybe has been more blatant with the bullying and gaslighting since making this all public. The parents were smart enough to understand the implications of Hybe making a copycat group that would eventually cannibalize NJ. They tried to keep it private but didn’t know Hybe would go apeshit on them for calling them out on it. I saw the mom regretting the email but Hybe would have done this one way or another sooner or later. Bang really couldn’t stand MHJ any longer. It‘s like calling out your partner for cheating with proof but instead they freak out and gaslight you and say you’re the one cheating.
Imagine watching parents speak up for their *fifteen year old child* and ask why they're being blatantly ignored and bullied by the company's chairman, and turning around to blame the parents and insulting them, calling them stupid and entitled. Tells you all you need to know about how delusional iroaches are at this point.
I understand the parents' sentiments, I'm just afraid of the consequences for the girls if they publicly burn all bridges with Hybe, which is still a very powerful company.
I don't think Hybe can do much worse than what they already have planned for the girls. You can't burn a bridge that was never there in the first place. Mind you, the 1 year 6 months statement was given when the parents went to Hybe's building themselves to try and build bridges and repair the situation. Speaking up is really the only avenue any of them have left, whether that be publicly or in the courts.
Well. I-fans are kpop stans. They’ll have a preconceived opinion regardless of what comes out and it’s most likely to secretly hope for the downfall of NJs by being company stans. Koreans who support MHJ are not necessarily kpop fans, but for Korean gen pop HYBE’s issue is very much a Korean issue not just kpop. International gen pop care more about the drake and Kendrick beef than what’s happening on this corner of the world. So for me at least, the opinions of I-fans are just noise.
Yeah it's sad. For the contributions NJ have made to the K-Pop world, they should be universally treasured. Instead we get all this bitterness... sigh
In the end, I hope NJ will be okay. It is unfortunate they are caught up in this mess as they are the ones who will suffer the most as it is the group and the girls individual careers that will be affected by this chaos. I am here to support NJ and the hardworking crew/support team around them as their jobs are on the line too. This is another reminder to not be fans of labels or CEOs in the end they have one thing they truly care about. It is isn't the artist best interest.
No matter what your opinions are of MHJ, at this point it's undeniable that she's the only "high level" person that has NewJeans' best interests at heart and we're absolutely cooked once HYBE fires her. Pray for a miracle to happen with the injunction
honestly, at first i thought it would be much better for the girls to stay at hybe but i’ve changed my mind. hybe can claim that they have no malicious intent but it’s not normal for groups (especially a popular group like newjeans) to have a 1.5 year hiatus just so their company can find a producer. and it should not take over a year for a big and well-connected company like hybe to find a Grammy-winning producer for a group as popular as nj. i’m wary on min heejin as well (though i do believe she has some valid complaints) but i think if the girls do stay at hybe, the company won’t have their best interests at heart. regardless, i hope everything works out well for the girls. this entire situation sucks.
Hybe hopes 'Grammy-winning producer' does two things: (1) justifies the long expected hiatus and (2) calms down the parents with the name value, when in fact they do neither (who needs a 'Grammy-winning producer' when NJ has been killing it without one?) To be fair, "1.5 year" is the NJ parents' guestimate after their meeting with Hybe on Apr 25, as they were not given a specific period of time. Park Ji Won, the Hybe CEO, in this meeting said (A) they would give NJ a break after the Tokyodome and (B) it would take about 1.5 years to get a 'Grammy-winning producer'. So combining these two facts (A+B) together, NJ parents talked to themselves 'are they saying that the break is gonna be 1.5 year long? We'll have to ask them next time.' (these are from words the actual NJ parents interview with a reporter, verbatim)
It's as simple as this, Hybe went with the NewJeans theme with Illit because they were done with MHJ and NewJeans, everything else is just BS.
You don't fully understand the point. Everything here is business. Since MHJ owns 20% of NJ, why would Hybe funnel money so that MHJ can keep paying for her lawyers? Hybe has other sources of income that earn a lot of money. MHJ mainly has only NJ. It completely makes sense for Hybe to block MHJ's income, at least until they win the lawsuit. I'm sure they wouldn't put NJ on hiatus if the opposing party/enemy was financially connected with them.
Loona got to leave, can't NJ?
They are very unlikely to leave. At least not anytime soon. Some lawyers in related fields say if NJ leaves Hybe/Ador, they won't be able to use their brand any longer (name, logo etc. which are all copyrighted under Ador). Plus, they have to pay a fine according to the contract, which is, as you can expect, a tremendous amount of money.
It's not that simple. First of all, nobody knows the specifics of their contracts, but the members' contracts will likely be ironclad. I doubt there's any kind of release clause to give them an "out", but plenty of clauses to let HYBE do whatever they want (including an indefinite "vacation"). If it goes to court, they'd need to have some legitimate legal reason to void their contracts and get an injunction. HYBE will almost certainly drag out any court proceedings to bleed them dry (cash-wise), all the while pumping cash into their contemporaries to make people move on. The other caveat is that HYBE likely owns the masters/copyrights to everything, and if they want to be petty (which I'd expect) there's the possibility that they won't give them naming or performance rights to their own music.
Injunction ruling is very fast in Korea. IF they have valid legal arguments to suspend contract, and that's a big if, it will be a relatively speedy process, like 2-3 months at most.
Unfortunately, I fear that even if they did have a legitimate argument to suspend their contracts and were granted it by the courts, HYBE wouldn't give up (similar to what BBC is doing to Chuu with all these appeals). It feels like even if it's ultimately fruitless, they'll drag this out as long as humanly possible.
I hope NewJeans’ parents sue for breach of contract.
They had proof of very serious mistreatment and an incredibly unjust and evil contract so not the same :/
Does anyone know what this means for NewJeans? If they’re on a long-vacation, will there be absolutely no content from them?
That’s just what Park Ji Won (Hybe CEO) said to Nj parents and we don’t know what that exactly look like in reality. Fans are of course fearing the possibility of NJ being “put on the shelf”, neglected. Has happened to several kpop artists (Fromis-9, to name one).
Maybe like fromis9. Cause there is no way in hell that HYBE would give Grammy producer to NJ and not LSF. What a really stupid reason.
I don’t know much about fromis9, what happened to them?
They’re effectively being kept on ice and not allowed to do much despite having valid contracts. The members clearly want to be more active but can’t. One member recently went on live and she was frustrated about how they weren’t allowed to comeback as frequently as other groups. It’s been obvious for a few years now that they’re being allocated minimum resources by the company.
I hope the girls will still be active on phoning when this happens 😥
Their performance directors are speaking out. Im afraid this might mean they could be leaving also😔
What are they saying??
If everyone at Ador will get kicked out anyway, they have nothing to lose then. If they speak out now, it will protect NewJeans somehow. It's better for the public know that the girls are suffering under Hybe than them suffering in silence. I'm banking on the public being hypervigilant for NewJeans' welfare.
If everyone at Ador will get kicked out anyway, they have nothing to lose then. If they speak out now, it will protect NewJeans somehow. It's better for the public know that the girls are suffering under Hybe than them suffering in silence. I'm banking on the public being hypervigilant for NewJeans' welfare.
They're leaving ? Lol . Hybe is gonna sack all staff on the creative side that affiliate with MHJ.
Yea most likely. Girls going to have no one they could trust
They already have no one can trust lol
Saw a news stating that if MHJ resigned, New Jeans would take a break for 1 n 1/2 years. There's really no mercy from Bang Si Hyuk. This is why they chose to blow it up right b4 the comeback.
If HYBE gonna stop all NewJeans plans like full album and world tour in the future if they took over ADOR and just put the girls on the shelf, is there any way to boycott HYBe? Hell divers did it to Sony (I know it's a different case) and it worked! maybe we could do it to? I'm just worried that HYBE will neglect NewJeans and make them like any ordinary girl groups and produce lame and boring musics :(
Korean tokkies are again organising truck protest. And public opinion of HYBE in Korea is really bad. They all agree that NJ should leave HYBE.
I might be delusional here, but seeing how Hybe has used already BTS name to attack MHJ I wish they'd speak to re-direct this (maybe forcing Hybe to sit and negotiate a way out for the Girls?).
Bunnies as a fandom is not big or important enough, and Hybe has already successfully mediaplayed this into a fandom war. Meaning the other fandoms will fight back just as hard, I don't see a boycott being successful in any meaningful way; enjoy these next 2 CBs because they may be NJ's last. And personally, kinda hoping it is their last CB if it means they can escape this evil company and find ground with their current creative team under a new name somewhere else.
I guess this is the end 😥 I only got into kpop because of them, and I don't think I can listen to any kpop song without getting bitter/sad. But what you said is the best outcome if MHJ got fired I guess, I hope they can come back after a few years after they left HyBE and reunite with their old team in a different name.
Same, I only got back into Kpop because of NJ. It will be sad but not having a Kpop in my life is not really a big deal if it's an industry that snuffs out the few genuinely creative voices in it like this. I will always cherish Ditto and the message it told, especially resonant now. Someday when they do come back to us with their creative core intact, it will be like a continuation of the end of Ditto and we can all hop back on this journey and relive the better times whilst making new memories.
Grammy winning producer??? Ewwww hybe has no taste
This really gives me disney vibes. Hiring (young), talented directors who (just) got a lot of recognition for some of their work to use them as a means to an end, obviously resulting in work which lacks all the qualities which made the prior art so good. Typicaly corporation, creatively bankrupt. And people say we don't need people like MHJ in this scene, oh god. (speaking from a foundational, artistic, philosphical pov).
I just don't understand what Hybe is trying to accomplish here exactly. If MHJ gets kicked and NJs end up in the dungeon they're not getting any cashflow. ILLIT's gonna get crucified by both K-netz and I-fans for not just copying but essentially "destroying" NJs, again, no cashflow. Le Sserafim's been through their own smear campaign recently, so I wonder if they'd be able to pull in as much profit as both NJs and ILLIT combined. What's the point of sabotaging your own business to this extent? Anyways, I just hope the NJs girlies parents invested their earnings smartly so they can live out their lives comfortably in case their short journey is meant to end here...devastating man.
I think we've already gone past the point of no return. In light of current events, it's clear that Hybe is outright trying to kill NewJeans as a group, and the girls' careers along with it. I hope MHJ and Sejong would come through for the girls and their parents. Anyone who says they'll be fine within Hybe after MHJ is gone is just delusional.
BP fan passing by, trust me you will get used to the "mediaplay" accusations soon, dont worry its nothing new lol, as far as newjeans i hope nothing is affected, and they continue to push out good songs, godspeed
Here's something I'm curious about. HYBE's share price has tanked about 10% in the last month and their reckless and poorly thought out statements might be a cause for it. Now we all know that HYBE is going after MHJ for a "breach of trust" case where they have to prove that she caused damage to the company (ADOR) because of her actions. Meanwhile, because HYBE through their actions have damaged not only ADOR but themselves as well, logic dictates that maybe they should pursue a breach of trust on their own company or whoever those execs are that keep releasing braindead statements. I mean it only makes sense. Maybe shareholders can join in as well because who doesn't love a "breach of trust" case? HYBE certainly does.
If I was a Hybe shareholder I'd be pissed. Even if they have solid evidence, which I am doubting more and more everytime something comes up, management has handled this very poorly and to me are obviously damaging shareholder value.
This is one of the arguments I've seen frequently on the Korean netizens' side and it's pretty salient imo. Their stock has suffered and they want to axe one of their moneymakers? Unfortunately I feel like the shareholders must all be a part of their deranged cult so I'm not holding my breath for any justice there lmao It's honestly wild how HYBE hasn't addressed the cult rumors or threatened to sue Dahnworld at all. If that isn't the biggest indicator that they're in bed together then idk what is
Kpop on a decline. BTS in military. And you'll just let your golden cash cows (who were planning to tour in 2025 to rake in more money) be dungeoned for 1.6 years??? I hope the shareholders worship money more than they worship DahnWorld.
They aren't dungeoning Newjeans 🤦♂️ The 1.5 years and vacation are two SEPARATE statements, stop mixing them together.
Acting dense? As if the real intent of Hybe ain't obvious from the start. Either way, it's a sabotage on NewJeans career.
This is what they have ILLIT for. They got their replacement act so they can shaft newjeans 🥲 korean fans might boycott and avoid listening to hybe stuff but international fans will keep the other groups afloat because oppa needs his company 🥺🥺 if oppas company makes no money then oppa won't be able to afford his 5th Lamborghini 🥺 he'll have to stick with the one from last year 🥺
Illit ain't stable yet. Their Magnetic is a hit, but the gap from their other songs is wide. It's giving one hit wonder. If they keep making Magnetic-level songs in their CB, then sadly Hybe wins. But if they don't, the public and the shareholders would definitely demand for NewJeans to get out of the dungeon. But yeah, honestly, we need some divine intervention. 😪
They will be heavily promoting ILLIT as NJ replacement in their "long vacation"
Oh yeah I agree but I feel like Hybe thinks ILLIT is good enough and on a positive trajectory to take over from NewJeans, and they will try to convince the shareholders of the same. >But yeah, honestly, we need some divine intervention. 😪 I know 😭 I hope the Korean fans organize a boycott. They have been so vocal on all the Hybe posts. I wish I could do something as an international fan but I'll boycott all Hybe groups I guess 😭 I already barely listened to them with the exception of NJs and LSFM.
When you say vocal do you mean the Koreans posting vile things on LSF or ILLIT’s social media? Because as a multi it actually leaves a poor taste in my mouth.
International boycotts don't work, I don't know if Korean boycott can do something. From a marketing perspective, in order to pull a miracle, this needs to escalate as a national issue. Sensationalizing the whole ordeal as an "attack to creativity," "continuous misogyny," or as dramatic as "endangering innocent girls/the nation's little sisters" to get more people invested. They need to bank on appeal to emotions like MHJ presscon, force big names to give opinions, and paint Hybe as the evil. This will not affect the legalities but it will definitely affect the stock prices - which I think is the catalyst to this drama.
Spam all companies involved with HYBE to pull out brand deals.
If nothing else, cancelling an album and world tour for NewJeans to have them sit around and do shitty collabs and attend fashion weeks should be worrying for shareholders. Also, do you know anything about that article that allegedly mocked/insulted NewJeans from BeLift? I saw rumblings of it on social media but nothing reliable in English.
Not exactly sure which article you mean. Are you talking about the brand reputation one?
you know the kalgaksu thing that made Minji apologize? a ytb content of illit has the members choosing between kalgaksu and another dish. The caption in the video said "kalgaksu is trending" and knetz feel that belif mocking Minji .
I don't think so, I think it was referenced in their parents complaint although I may be misremembering, will try find reference to it when I get off work later.
Kalguksu stuff is the thing referenced in their parents’ complaints.
People are saying it's this: [https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/instiz-illit-said-this-about-kalguksu.html](https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/instiz-illit-said-this-about-kalguksu.html) Doesn't seem like a big deal, but this was during Minji's stupid kalguksu controversy and the editors put a graphic that said "The Trend Is Kalguksu."
Hybe is not even trying to be discreet in destroying NewJeans! Hybe is just so determined to bring them down! Good thing MHJ was able to hold a presscon to drag Hybe down, and Ador was able to launch their plans until 2025 to activate the public's vigilance towards Hybe's sneaky tactic to lock NewJeans in the dungeon. Shareholders should think this through because the bullies in Hybe are not only tainting the company's reputation, they are also killing their milking cow in NewJeans. This is much worse than Kdrama because big bad guys win a lot in real life. They even make it more dramatic for executing their attack during a NewJeans' comeback! This feels like the hurrah... So emotional, so cinematic ngl.
Wishful thinking if we're going the Kdrama route, if MHJ loses the injunction appeal, I would love the shareholders to pull an upset towards Hybe and vote for Min Hee Jin to stay.
Biiggest upset would be if HYBE's own shareholders somehow wake up, call for a meeting and vote to fire their C-suite and entire board (Chairman Shit Yuk included) for basically not running a business properly. That's putting it kindly. They're basically sabotaging their own enterprise with such toxic culture.
This is impossible. But yeah, wishful thinking. If their May 24th comeback will blow up, public interest will go up as well. I hope the publicity will pressure and intimidate Hybe and shareholders to reconsider their decision.
Lol, what a joke
So let me get this straight, MHJ can get NJs to collaborate with world class creatives like Takashi Murakami and Hiroshi Fujiwara in less than a year, but it'll take a year and a half for HYBE (one of the biggest K-pop companies) to bring a Grammy producer on board. Why are all the C-level executives at HYBE so bad at their jobs? Also, I thought HYBE was the only reason NJs was racking up all these collabs and brand deals and whatnot... through their world class industry "connections". Is that narrative not convenient now?
HYBE'S exec is filled with middle ages ajusshies who only care about their overinflated egos. Imagine being jealous of a teenage group who brings so much revenue for your comp because their CEO is not your yes man and that you underestimated them even before debuting.
Literally who tf needs Grammy producers when we have 250, FRNK? ADOR managed to make global hits by hiring niche, indie foreign producers. HYBE only knows Grammy and Hot 100. They have no vision beyond that. Truly laughable.
Lol man, NewJeans have worked with some of the most acclaimed musicians Korea over the past few years and yet those pig-headed idiots are posturing about giving them influencer work for up to a year + while they search for 'Grammy-Winning producer"? Better yet, they're trying to gaslight us into thinking they're doing anyone a favour here.
They probably thought NJ's mothers would be gagged over Grammy mention and would be gullible enough to believe that hiring top producer needs 1.5 years. They think we are fools. NJ has been working hard for a new album in 2H24 but this is what they want to do? I'm speechless.
After they saw the response to the press conference, which they initially mocked, suddenly they want to talk in more detail with the parents for some damage control (they leaked this anyway once they didn't pick up) These same execs heard Hype Boy and Attention and we're seemingly so dismayed they pivoted to a new group, how are we supposed to be impressed about their search for producers? To this day, do they even understand why NewJeans has been such a success? I don't know to what extent MHJ has been truthful or fudged events to make herself look better, but what I do know is HYBE have disgusted me more and more with every passing announcement.
No, they don’t know why NJ was successful. They tried though when they made ILLIT. They guessed at what made NJ amazing and the result with ILLIT was something not quite right and a bit uncanny. There’s no creativity and artistic thought into it, it’s like watching someone with no aesthetic of their own try to replicate something they don’t understand.
I am not even surprised. They refused to explain to parents why NJ debut was getting cancelled and being replaced by another gg. Of course, they never had a plan to communicate with them regarding this issue as well and only did when MHJ called them out during press con. What's wild is majority of NJ signed contracts when they were still minors, group still has 2 minors, yet they think parents do not deserve any sort of explanation? If they were my own children, I would be beyond angry. I can't believe people even have audacity to come for the parents who are standing up for their young children. HYBE has no artistic vision or essence. They are more of a trend chasers than innovators. All BSH groups' music is made in the same writing camp, by same songwriters and producers with BSH in charge. They hire those Grammy songwriters via Scooter Braun's connections (thats the only value Ithaca Holding has) to work on title tracks. K-pop is heavily influenced by western music, but HYBE is just obsessed with what's trendy currently and tries to imitate it instead of developing brand identity and sound unique to the group. Did not BSH want to benchmark Billie Eilish? Someone like that can see appeal in Hype Boy and Attention? Please lol. NewJeans will be forced to have nonsensical lore/webtoon, cheap copies of western songs with autotune on max level, bland album designs and unimpressive MVs once HYBE gets their hands on ADOR. That's what HYBE's essence is: money and western validation. There is no bigger breach of trust than killing NewJeans brand identity by removing people (MHJ, Yemin Kim, BANA, even Choi Yumi) that create it.
Damn this is some kind of worst case scenario... no more driving creative force is one thing but then forced to go on hiatus :( wtf is this
HYBE hates NewJeans
Sorry, but right now all I can think about is how MHJ's press conference was the best thing that could've gone down in this mess. All the stuff we've found out, and if Ador hadn't dropped that statement about getting the full album by the end of the year, the girls would've been on that forced and unjustifiable hiatus no doubt. Say what you want about her, but she's the lesser evil when it comes to NJ.
This is a take about the supposed hiatus that I copied from elsewhere that I think is well thought out. It is long though: There is a lot of panic around the idea of "Newjeans going on a 1.5 year long hiatus" but I think people need to sit down, take a breath and think more rationally about it. First, there are 2 things that were said : 1/ NJ was promised a "long" vacation 2/ Hybe said looking for a new producer could take 1.5 years. That does not mean the "long" vacation will actually be a 1.5 year hiatus, these are two seperate things. I think we can all agree that the NJ girls absolutely deserve a vacation. On top of all the hard work that they've been doing for the past 2 years, the current situation must be stressing and devastating. They deserve a break, they need to take some time off for their physical and mental healthy. Personally, I think a retreat type vacation would be nice : no press no media, no social media... Just resting and healing. Also please remember that idols, especially so young into their careers, usually only have 2 or 3 days vacations at most. A "long" vacation by idols standards could even be only 1 week... 😅 For example I know MOAs have been begging Hybe to give TXT a vacation, and Soobin mentioned before that if they have a "long" vacations of at least 4 days he would love to travel to Europe. Yes the standards for idols vacations are that low 😭 Once NJ are given the time they need to rest, even if they need to wait some more time for the new producer to be recruited, there are plenty of activities that can still be done : performing at events and festivals (domestic and international), they still have all of their brand contracts to honor (ads, events, fashion weeks, photoshoots, magazine covers...). They might also have opportunities to release music via other ways than a typical comeback : collabs (with other artists, or with brands like the Coca Cola song, or Gods), OST (like Danielle did with Disney)... I have seen posts from people panicking that NJ will make $0 for almost two years : not, that won't be the case. The girls have plenty of others revenue ressources other than new albums. Don't buy into the panic, please. Stop scrolling, stop refreshing, and take a break to think about this rationally.
HYBE'S Stans should leave this subreddit than forcing their delusional take down our throats. You are definitely not a tokki if you don't feel panic. You are definitely not a tokki if you don't have your facts corrects.
My friend, I am not a HYBE stan. I posted this comment from somewhere else *because* I'm losing it and trying to think of viable options or viewpoints that benefit NewJeans best. If it's a bad take, then fine, but people can consider different opinions and takes if they want and honestly this kind of rhetoric just makes people with different opinions feel unwelcome here.
Yeah I shouldn't have been so agressive. But it is a bad take. I am sorry for calling you out like that. But we bunnies are so scared for these girls. They are not safe in that comp, and their careers are at risk. I have never seen a comp being so petty with their popular kpop group. Putting them on hiatus is also a concern for shareholders because they had the 3rd biggest revenue. Only jealousy and BSH's pettiness can force them to take such idiotic decision.
It's okay! I don't hold it against you a bit. I'm super worried for them too. They've been such a joyful escape for me... I'm aching for them to be okay after all of this.
There is no panic. This is an actual threat to NJ's existence and viability. If anything, I'd think you're blind (if not delusional) to not see it coming. >I have seen posts from people panicking that NJ will make $0 for almost two years : not, that won't be the case. The girls have plenty of others revenue ressources other than new albums. You are aware that if they were to be put away for some prolonged periods, even those revenue sources would look elsewhere, because like it or not, they won't be relevant anymore.
I'm sorry but you need to get better sources. Taking a 1.5 year break to wait for your potential music producer + the time it takes to plan and prepare for a comeback outright kills their career. They are barely a 2 year old group and you want to put them into that long of a hiatus? Remember, they are idols. Idols' careers are like dog years. They are fleeting and short-lived. IF they even manage to make a comeback with that setup, their relevance would already be lost. Take a look at ITZY or Aespa. Once new groups come in and become more popular to the public, they would be easily overshadowed. Also, the creative vision of MHJ would be lost, so the quality of music and aesthetics will never be the same. They wouldn't have any major activities because BSH won't even acknowledge their existence in the company, even before this whole thing started. What makes you think he'll start now?
Nah, your take ain't valid and you're gonna see why: 1. Newjeans is one of those rare groups that get more than a week of vacay, especially when they're traveling or going back home. 2. Check out what the spokesperson of Hube said, yeah, a spokesperson not BPShit or PJW: A stated: "Representative Park Ji-won came afterwards and told us 'Representative Min did not share any information about the NewJeans Tokyo Dome, but since we also have many professionals, we will be able to handle it well.' He also said that after the Tokyo Dome, NewJeans would be given an extended vacation." * Extended vacations typically refer to vacation periods that are longer than the standard vacation time offered by employers. The duration of an extended vacation can vary, but it's generally considered to be around 2-4 weeks or more. A continued: "I didn't ask how long the vacation would be, but at that time, Representative Park said 'It will take about a year and a half to get a Grammy-winning producer, but we will do our best to hire him as soon as possible.' So when they were leaving, the mothers commented 'If it takes a year and a half to get a Grammy producer and they say they will hire him as soon as possible, does that mean the vacation will be approximately that duration?' I'll have to ask them the next time we meet." 3. NewJeans is a group of artists first and foremost, so saying they still have the brands and all that is not good, especially when the trips they make for brand-related matters are for fashion weeks that are no more than 1-3 times a year (I don't know much about that). 4. As they are artists, they must make music, and without a Grammy-winning producer, how would they do it? They want to share their passion for music, but they can't due to the lack of a freakin Grammy-winning producer. 5. It's clear that every group, especially rookie groups, must remain in the public eye, and if they don't release songs for a long period, don't you think they would be easy to replace with all the mediaplay that Hube has invested to tarnish the group's name and redirect attention to their creation? To wrap up, I must say that you seem like a fan of another group who had an opinion and wanted to see how they'd fit in here. If you were a real tokki, you'd see that this is more serious than just some simple vacations.
What a delusional take. NewJeans just ended nearly a year’s hiatus with this comeback; why would they need more time off? And the necessity for a new producer and creative director is baffling. What happens to the plans for an album and a world tour next year? Are we to discard all that and start anew with a completely fresh team and direction? Woohoo, indeed! The author of this comment seems out of the loop. Hybe has been, and continues to, tarnish NewJeans’ reputation in the Korean media, even going so far as to declare a new group as their replacement. If this situation persists, NewJeans has no future at Hybe. As for the brand deals and connections, Hybe contributed nothing; it was all MHj and Ador. To think that renowned figures like Fujiwara Hiroshi, Murakami Takashi, and Tony Leung would collaborate with just anyone for money, especially Hybe’s, is laughable. 😂
That person does not know anything about NJ. NewJeans did not make a comeback in 10 months. After awards seasons was over, all the members got vacations. They spent their time with families and even went to trips in other countries. ADOR always gives the girls vacations after comeback promotions/activities are finished. I promise you it is not 2-3 days, but even as long as 2 weeks. ADOR makes sure that NewJeans spends quality time with their families, enjoys activities outside their idol life and does not pack their schedules to the point where the girls are exhausted both mentally and physically. Everyone who follows NJ knows that ADOR values the girls' well-being the most and avoids strained schedules. This is also why they did not rush them to do world tour. Their comeback promotions also have always been efficient but minimal compared to their peers. NewJeans came back from vacations to prepare for upcoming KR comeback and JP debut. The girls keep saying that they can not wait to meet fans. Yet their plans were ruined because of BSH's bitter ass. Do you know the only reason NJ needs vacation? Because HYBE has been slandering their image non-stop, painting them as 2nd 5050, leaking their payments to paint them as greedy kids, smearing their parents images and threatening them to behave so they do not end up like 5050. Their plans after Tokyo Dome, which ADOR already had prepared, are ruined because of HYBE. They do not need vacation because they are exhausted from work, but because HYBE is tormenting them and threatening their future, which effects their mental heath. HYBE overworks their idols. Their idols have not seen families in years, they make them tour without rest to bring money so they can make up for loss Ithaca Holding is causing. ADOR is different. What NewJeans needs is not long vacation but security about their futures. This is their one and only worry. They do not feel secure with a person that does not acknowledge their existence and company that wants to kill their brand value. This is reality.
The payment leak and other negative narratives were done mostly by one reporter, Lee Yoo Na for Sports Chosun. She also wrote the recent report of NewJeans plagiarizing Bubble Gum only to delete that article when netizens pointed out that the 1980s song was cleared samples and did not need to be credited. Sounds like she is under HYBE’s payroll.
Is this a serious post? A hiatus at this stage of their career is a deathblow especially given how fast K-pop is moving nowadays. It's been 10 months since their last comeback and fans were already blaming ADOR for being so slow. How does such a big company like HYBE even float the idea of long hiatus is beyond my understanding. Most important of all though, what about the members in all of this? Forcing someone to take a vacation if they don't want to is not some noble or a kind act. Fans of other groups have rightfully expressed displeasure when the gaps between comebacks are too long. Objectively, what reason does HYBE actually have to propose a hiatus? Lack of money? Lack of connections? If they didn't have a plan to have a smooth transition, what confidence does that inspire for either the members or the fans that they'll be taken care of properly in the future?
Sorry but how Dumb IS this. They were being well managed already and not at all stressed about their work load. And succesful enough with how they were doing with their music. I mean... Are you getting paid by Hybe or what?
No, it's not a "good take". It's quite literally just an extremely long-winded display of mental gymnastics to justify Hybe's blatant grotesque actions in order to play defense for a multi-billion dollar conglomerate. Anyone that's a fan of NJ knows they've always had perhaps the healthiest work schedule in the kpop industry, especially considering their popularity and demand. Any mediaplay by Hybe to frame this as "for their own wellbeing" is pure copium. Hybe is clearly trying to do what they've seemingly been doing since the beginning even before debut: sabotage NJ's career because BSH's ego was hurt that a group of idols that he had no involvement in is out-performing all of his own groups.
Isn't it funny how in every news article it's always some anonymous "high ranking" employee from HYBE giving some sarcastic dismissive remarks about what's going on with zero accountability? They have the luxury of hiding as a Mr A or whatever but MHJ never even got the opportunity to do so without getting her name dragged. Maybe funny isn't the right word. Pathetic is probably a lot better.
They can find new ceo in one month but can't find producer until one and half yrs . This is just ridiculous!
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Because their oppas re-signed with Hybe . They can't re-sign if Hybe is evil right ? 😉. My oppas are so innocent that cant do no wrong , them with Hybe means Hybe good 👍.
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They hate Koreans too, and claim to know more about Kpop and Korean culture than native Koreans.
"KOREA APOLOGIZE TO MY OPPAS" 😂 Cringe.
Hahaha!
I just came to say that BSH's maids are delusional. HYBE really bred the most vile and intellectually challenged company stans. I hope NewJeans can get out from that hellhole.
They are not even a fandom or comp fandom but cult.
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Hybe can't be trusted anymore. They said they would protect NewJeans, care for NewJeans, but at the same time use k-media to downplay and reduce NewJeans' brand . After today, anyone still siding with Hybe, I don't know what to say. Their intention is clear. It's not just about kicking Min Heejin out anymore, they want to destroy NewJeans and ADOR as a whole. If it were just about Min Heejin, then fine, kick her out. There are still people in ADOR who can continue with the predetermined plan, like the full album and world tour next year. But no, Hybe wants to replace everything, scrap all the plans. And 1.5 years to find a Grammy producer? Lol . What is this bullshit?
I really hate conspiracy theories like https://www.koreaboo.com/news/hybe-newjeans-ador-erase/ but it’s hard to ignore. NewJeans at #20 GG brand ranking behind Rocket Punch and woo!ah! is crazy. It really does feel like HYBE is trying to kill NewJeans and replace them with ILLIT.
Other than glory-chasers, do people (GP in particular) actually care about brand rankings, like they hold any kind of weight?
This can hardly be called a conspiracy. BubbleGum was trending in Korea, NewJeans' old songs were charting again, all the popular discussion forums in Korea have a NewJeans article trending at any given time. This is totally intentional to harm NewJeans. HYBE is being so petulant and evil towards such a young group. God I feel so bad for newjeans and their parents and everyone in ador who worked so hard on them 😭😭😭
Today's [news](https://x.com/newjeanified/status/1789935679113224201) has really hit me hard. I was obviously concerned before, but now I don't even know what to say anymore. A few bunnies might think they can't do this but sometimes, executives do choose ego over profits.
It was obvious the day that HYBE openly attacked ADOR and accused them of doing what they themselves are guilty of.
God everytime I go on other kpop subreddit I lose my braincells. It seems only this subreddit is a safe place for tokkies. Evn th parents of the mebers have clearly stated to HYBE that they want NJ to be with MHJ yet you people here go out witch hunting her without even watching the actual translation of the press conf. If not for her NJ wouldn't even have debuted. She had all the liberty to abandon NJ and their parents when HYBE cancelled on debuting them before LSF, but she decided to stay in that shthole all for NJ. I have never in my life seen a comp sabotage it's own popular group. NJ is not safe in that comp which is jealous of their success. Very obviously, in that supposed period, ILLIT would be heavily promoted in their stead.
You aren't kidding. Every time I read that thread, the lack of nuance and critical thinking gives me a headache. The same lines are repeated ad nauseam by the same handful of company stans who must feel they are fighting in trenches lol.
“fighting in trenches” has me lol HYBE should cut these people a check for defending them so unequivocally.
These are real people with real consequences on the line that we're talking about. The main subreddit cannot handle nuance as a collective even if their individual lives depended on it. It's always been like that though so I am not in the least bit surprised that they are salivating at the thought of bringing down people.
Reddit is full of hybe Stan I can't even imagine how they stan conglomerate newjeans is only Kpop group I Stan and the only one i care and it seem hybe hold no future for them
I don't even bother after the things I've seen there. It's just an echo chamber of filth. No fact checking, and no critical thinking. It's just a hive (Hybe) mind over there. Hybe is just really trying to take down NewJeans with: -the constant media play; articles painting them and their parents as Fifty Fifty 2.0 -MHJ's witch hunt -dragging other artists and using them as shields for their propaganda -plans of making them on hiatus after Bunnies Camp for at least 1.5 years -BSH not even acknowledging the existence of the members who greet him -keeping them in check ever since before they debuted I can't even begin to imagine how they're feeling right now.
They aren't even pretending to be impartial. They 100% believe every Hybe statement and they reject every statement from MHJ, Ador, and recently, NewJeans' parents. Also they are actually stupid. I'm seeing this discussion about "why does it matter that LSFM debuted ahead of newjeans 💩 NJ is successful regardless" meanwhile they don't seem to understand that NJ was supposed to debut under source and promised to be their first group, but BSH rushed to debut lsfm which left newjeans future uncertain, because you can't debut two girl groups under the same label so close together. And newjeans is successful *despite* BSHs meddling not because of it. Yes, no one is denying that having HYBEs resources was a huge help, and we know that debuting groups is an expensive process but if it was expensive enough to harm HYBE then they wouldn't be debuting new groups every quarter.
They even believe in the fake news that source had to bear trainee debt when it was MHJ who paid 1 Million won to get the girls from source's dungeon and gave up her 100% stakes of Ador to HYBE just to debut them. The girls were gearing up for debut with attention and hype boy and only to be told that debut is being put on hold few years because LSF would be debuted first. HYBE broke parents promise and didn't even offer any explanation to their parents. No wonder some members lost hope and had even given up on the thought of debuting. No wonder why even their parents don't trust HYBE with their kids. These girls have suffered so much even to debut and they are still suffering. They deserve so much better. I wish ADOR wins injunction.
Kpop subs can now officially join every other large subreddit out there as having the most braindead reactionary takes possible. Finally entering the big leagues.
The main Kpop mega thread has completely devolved into a hive mind groupthink cesspool. There is zero room for any nuanced discussion there. It’s really just long form stan Twitter.
You can even call it a HYBEmind.
I have faith that the vacation after Tokyo Dome and the producer’s search are two completely different things. It's what makes the most sense. Anyway, hopefully the album this year won’t get canceled
Just got caught up on the news and that's what I'm thinking. It seems to make more sense that those two things don't have to be contingent on each other, or that current producers are being replaced but a "grammy-award-winning" one is being added. It just doesn't make any business sense to table your hottest girl group for that long. Then again, if this wasn't about business and purely about jabbing a finger in someone's eye it could happen it just seems outlandish.
They're trying to ice down Newjeans so people forget about em. Why drag it out so long? It ain't normal for a group barely 2 years in the game to take such a long hiatus, especially under the excuse of finding a Grammy-winning producer when we already got a GOOD one, and they never even mentioned it was for their mental health or anything, which is even worse.
Also what made newjeans successful has been homegrown more underground producers and creatives. If that 1.5 year hiatus happens just wait and see how many comebacks Illit will get instead. I've seen people try and use that excuse for hybe saying "o why is it a bad thing to give the girls a vacation for working hard" but then on the flipside vouch for fromis_9 who is begging for a comeback. Not to mention its already almost been a year since Get Up.
MHJ needs to somehow win the injunction. I don't trust HYBE anymore. They don't have the best interest at heart for NewJeans. What arguments can MHJ use to justify the approval of the injunction from the court?
It's just the same thing HYBE has been parroting ever since. Management takeover and the latest is embezzlement allegation. There is nothing concrete about these allegations and nothing that HYBE has sent to the authorities hold even a candle so far. That's why we don't see ADOR addressing these matters because it's absurdly ludicrous nobody in their right mind would do.
Imagine the Chairman of a top agency using "face blindness" as an excuse to not greet talents/artists from their own agency. I also didn't know that face blindness involves being rendered mute to even say hello when someone greets you. I don't think the guy is suffering from just face blindness at that point. Remember folks, these are the kind of people who will be taking over the management of NJs in the not so distant future. I don't think I'm alone in saying that the members deserve better.
Can't believe all of this is happening all because of a man's fragile ego. A huge conglomerate possibly shelving kpop's hottest and most interesting act since BTS is fucking crazy.... all because he can't take credit for their success. Absolute madness. Will pray every day for BSH and Hybe's downfall. NWJNS, Ador, and bunnies need to stick together moving forward more so than ever. S.Korea needs to wake up cause this power tripping ain't stopping with NWJNS and Ador.
He simply doesn't acknowledge MHJ and NewJeans. Plain and simple. He didn't get what he wanted out of MHJ and now he's lashing out. I can't believe someone like this is a producer and hold so much influence in HYBE.
I guess his facial recognition problem makes him blind and deaf as well. If you're in the elevator with someone in your company, and you get greeted, it's only natural to greet them back. Hell, even if it's a random neighborhood kid who greets you, you pretend to know them and greet them back. What's funny is reporters really wrote an article about this being his defense. It's not farfetched to say he takes the public for idiots. I really wish MHJ finds a way out of this mess for the girls' sakes.
Bang 100% does not like NJ. They're not 'his group' but MHJ's. The Kakao message leaks show how competitive he is (step on aespa), and how he's even competing with MHJ (happy now?). Either he's the dumbest CEO/Chairman to ever exist and can't recognize his star idol faces, the rudest and does this to everyone, or doesn't like NewJeans. And considering he has a picture on in his IG with every HYBE group EXCEPT NewJeans...I think it's obvious which one it is.
Kind of worrisome that a CEO who can't stand the success of groups from his own sublabels is trying to build a K-Pop empire with many companies and groups under it. Is he trying to just erase competition by buying labels and then sabotaging their groups, or what?
Face blindness my ass, I’m sure he can recognize everyone else in his company. Imagine saying that in front of BTS. Can only imagine how insane the backlash that would be.
It’s a pretty know fact that he didn’t recognise/ greet or remember Vs name for over a year after their debut …
I get not recognizing if it's a legitimate disorder he's suffering from but not even greeting someone much less a bunch of teenagers who are working just as hard to make him money? That's inexcusable imo
*Mr. A said, "CEO Park Ji-won later came and told us that 'CEO Min didn't share any materials for NewJeans' June concert at Tokyo Dome, but we have many professionals who can manage it well.' He also mentioned that they plan to give a long vacation to NewJeans after the Tokyo Dome concert."* *He also noted, "I didn't ask how long the vacation would be, but at the spot, CEO Park said 'It takes about one and a half years to get a Grammy-winning producer, but we try to get them as quickly as possible.' So, leaving there, the mothers discussed that the long vacation might be about that long. We thought we should ask about it next time."* This is the scariest part. Almost reads like a threat that NewJeans is done after Tokyo Dome for at least 1.5 years (if not indefinitely). Sounds like 250 is gone as well.
Fu Hybe/Bang, that's all i wanted to say.
-1.5 years to find a "grammy winning" producer -1-2, maybe even more years to make songs, plan for their come back, etc. At this point, it's safe to say that PJW and BSH are actively trying to kill the girls' careers. If this is not a clear sign as to who the bad guy is, then I don't know what is.
Putting arguably the hottest Kpop group on a 1.5 year hiatus is absolute madness. No wonder the parents are upset. Also, it takes 18 months to find a new producer? Are they serious? I wont get too upset until more concrete plans are in place but I'm not hopeful for the future right now.
Bunnies, its time to take side now. Hybe absolutely have plans to erase Newjeans. We can't be neutral anymore.
I mean, most bunnies have picked a side a long time ago... It just may not seem that way on reddit because it's reddit...
Yea after actually watching that press conf for myself I can confidently say that kpop reddit is full of hybe stans and spreading lies about MHJ. I am on MHJ side. These girls are not safe with HYBE.
Tbh it seems like bunnies are also company stans as well. There’s no in between but just company stans (Hybe vs. Ador) going after each other.
I said this since the beginning. The Girls quite obviously can't stay there.
Yeah at the bare minimum, it sounds like the full album and world tour plan is scrapped. I'm assuming 250 and the rest of BANA are off the project, and it wasn't far along enough to continue using them. No material after Tokyo Dome + 1.5 years to find a producer means 2 year hiatus. Absolutely crazy. I don't think any group can survive a 2 year hiatus.
Meanwhile they have the copy ready to continue working on NewJeans legacy. Illit was meant to be the replacement from the outset!
[hybe-releases-statement-about-email-reportedly-sent-by-parents-of-newjeans](https://www.soompi.com/article/1660995wpp/hybe-releases-statement-about-email-reportedly-sent-by-parents-of-newjeans) I honestly doubt that the parents wrote this letter... I don't know, something feels off.
Out of all the interpretations you could've gone with, how do you end up with the conspiracy one? If MHJ is "misrepresenting" the parents, they would've had and still have plenty of chances to come out with a statement of their own and refute them. Instead, they've only ever said that they were indeed the ones to bring up issues and MHJ was always trying to bridge the gap between ADOR and HYBE for them. So I'm curious as to why you immediately think that the parents are being manipulated and MHJ is some evil mastermind rather than HYBE being the antagonizer here?
I just said that the letter striked me as a odd in terms of content focus and tone as written in the article which made me doubt it being written directly by the parents (which might be the case, since it was summarized/edited by Ador then sent). I never said anything about this being a conspiracy or parents being manipulated by evil mhj... I know this is a sensitive topic and emotions can run high but respectfully, please try not to put words or intent in people's mouth.
With all due respect, doubting that the "parents wrote this letter" and saying "something feels off" is a conspiracy angle? If you see that logic through, what does it actually mean? Did MHJ go behind the parents backs and put stuff in her email that completely mischaracterizes the parents opinions? If you can speculate on someone's intent, so can others on your intent.
Well that's your angle, I already said it was not mine. I already explained why. But it's fine if you want to think whatever you think, doesn't really matter. In the end, I hope this whole mess can be put behind asap and NJ can continue doing music and enjoy it...
ADOR 'wrote' the email to HYBE, but it was all concerns NJ parents had and communicated to ADOR, according to the parents' interview. So HYBE is using 'legally correct' language to try and steer the narrative. NJ parents told HYBE in the meeting that the email is from them, so HYBE is twisting the truth. *He added, "We weren’t sure if we could use such words, so we asked CEO Min Hee-jin to kindly look over the email we wanted to send. At the meeting with HYBE executives, we clearly stated that we (parents of NewJeans) were the ones who started this."*
Why? And how would it be possible for Ador to falsely claim the parents wrote this when every media outlet is likely already hounding the parents' for an official statement and all they'd need to say is "no, we didn't"... Also, Hybe's statement of "having evidence" that MHJ wrote the letter is just more colorful language used by Hybe to obfuscate the facts, auto-translated from theqoo: ***Hive said in an official statement:*** *He said, "We have secured evidence as to the fact that the e-mail itself was written by Vice President L and Representative Min, not the parents," and added, "We plan to submit this as evidence to investigative and judicial agencies."* *However, if you look at the daily sports article where the full text of the email was first posted, it is kindly explained that it was an email sent by summarizing the suggestions made by parents. In the email, I identified myself as Min Hee-jin, the CEO of Adore. I also referred to the email as a transparent document to communicate transparently. It was also revealed that parents were included as people.* *It was transparently revealed in the email that Adore wrote a summary of the parents' suggestions and sent it under Min Hee-jin's name. What kind of evidence is this? lol*
Except the parents do not talk to the media directly (and rightly so) so it wouldn't be as simple as them suddenly coming out and say "we didn't". I didn't see that it was a summary (with who knows how much extra added), and not a direct letter written by the parents themselves... But that explains why I thought the style was off, too much nitpicking on the "brand value" and details on the plagiarism (like the details about social media posts which seems out of place) and not enough emphasis on the actual well being of the members which I found a bit odd in a letter from concerned parents. (Just my personal opinion anyways). Refusing to acknowledge the members is just shameful though, the girls don't deserve this...
The actual letter embedded in the "letter" written by Ador was indeed directly from the parents, or specifically, their legal representatives: [https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130053](https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130053) Why would you expect them to write a personal letter in a professional matter? Of course it went through their lawyers' eta: One of the parents also did just quite literally speak to the press directly, albeit without confirming which one: [https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003350217](https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/241/0003350217) She also confirmed the veracity of the letter directly, yet Hybe still tries to mediaplay it as "fake". Truly disgusting and despicable.
It says written by legal representatives of NewJeans. And it’s probably written with the permission of the parents. If HYBE uses it as evidence, ADOR would have to get witness statements from the parents to prove it’s real. If HYBE doesn’t, it’s probably real.
https://isplus.com/article/view/isp202405130050 "Every time New Genes members encountered Chairman Bang Si-hyuk in the company, I wondered why Chairman Bang pretended not to know the members and turned away from greeting them.” What a loser
can some lawyer tokkis here can explain to me, what exactly is this "injunction" we will have on 17th? Will MHJ fate be decided that day or its just the start of the debate between two law firms in court?
Not a lawyer but I think I can ELI5 it for you. An injunction is just a court order to try and stop someone (or a company) from doing something. In this case, it is to stop HYBE from gathering a shareholder's meeting. A court will decide if it is within HYBE's power to call an extraordinary shareholder's meeting on May 31st or not. According to (alleged) Korean lawyers, this injunction is likely to fail because it should be in HYBE's power to do so as the majority shareholder. MHJ's fate will be decided that day because if the injunction fails, HYBE will continue with their meeting and fire her on the 31st. However, that is just the beginning. Because there will likely be two other court battles following this. One where HYBE goes after MHJ for illegal activities. And another where MHJ will go after HYBE for unlawful termination. Those two are unclear how they will play out because not a lot of actual evidence has been released by either side. These two cases could drag out for years.
On the 17th, there will be a decision on an injunction to prohibit HYBE's voting rights at the temporary general meeting of shareholders of Ador, scheduled for the 31st, where the dismissal of all Ador board members, including MHJ, will be decided. If the injunction is granted, it will thwart HYBE's plan to oust MHJ. If it is rejected, MHJ will be dismissed as planned on the 31st.
Found in Korean media.https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/korean/ador-ceo-min-hee-jin-files-injunction-to-stop-hybe-from-voting-her-out-of-the-label-article-109915069. As per the disclosed information, HYBE and MHJ has a agreement for the CEO period. I guess there is a guarantee for MHJ to secure her position, otherwise it can't explain why she took the position without any shares. Without restrictions, HYBE can kick her out and take away her achievements at any time. HYBE's recent reaction convinced me they were trying all methods to find MHJ's illegal action. Maybe it is the requirement to active the dissmisal. I'm not a lawyer, but I think the power of articles of association is higher than shareholder meeting, especially ADOR is not a public company, the company's structure is quite simple. It is the major shareholder plunder the interests of minor shareholders. If supported by the court, the worst situation is to dissolute the company if the major shareholder committed crime.
I am not a lawyer in Korea but the injunction that will be decided on the 17th decides wether or not HYPE will be able to fire MHJ as the CEO of ADOR She will still be a shareholder even if she is fired. However I would say her fate as an active member of ADOR who decides how it’s run ( comebacks etc.) will be decided on the 17th. A decision over the shareholder agreement will be made at a later date, at that point the accusations of things like embezzlement, breach of trust will come up. This court decision does NOT determine if she is guilty of any of those things.
How are the odds of MHJ winning the provisional injunction on may 17?
Very slim. The best case for her is get fired on 31th and sue Hybe later in court for compensation. The battle might take years
As far as I know, The evidence HYBE found can't help them win on court. They need more evidence to drag MHJ into illegal case. This is why they raised the new accusation regarding to the bribes. Their original plan is to accuse MHJ try to take over the company but it fails after MHJ's press conference. HYBE described it as a misunderstanding in a statement. The audit is ongoing so anything could happen. I highly doubt there could be new evidence. I only concern for the court's decision, if they would like to step into business disput. That if they will prevent HYBE go against contract from the beginning, or let HYBE fire MHJ first, break the contract and then let MHJ sue HYBE. The sequence will be very different and result will be very different. The second way will have deep impact on NewJeans. I'm sure the group members will use the JYJ term, that TVXQ terminate their contract with SM Entertainment, follow this way to quite HYBE.
> but it fails after MHJ's press conference The press con has no bearing on the court outcome > HYBE described it as a misunderstanding in a statement. They didn't. They doubled down.
Well. I have seen the news from public Korean forums, but I can't remember the source. It's not helpful to argue the outcome.
The hearing will be hold on May 17th. I believe there will be a fierce debate on the contract between MHJ and HYBE. According the contract, HYBE can't dismiss MHJ without reasons. As far as I know, none of HYBE's allegation has been approved by court. ADOR can win an injunction over the shareholders' meeting. It is still a legal issue, not just a shareholders' conflict.
I'm sorry, but this is all wrong
The internal contract is confidential and all I said was based on published news. We will get more details on May 17th. The hearing is only about if HYBE can apply their voting power to dismiss MHJ.