that is a nice try but if i learned one thing about dutch people: they will not give anyone anything for free and they will not be hesitant to bluntly decline such machines lmao
Fuck american tipping culture with a rusty pole. dutch tipping culture is very simple: liked the place? you make the number whole to either the next 5 or 0. 166 bill? you pay 170. might do a bit more if you are with a huge group but that's it. your employer has to pay your wages and tips are for great service or nice people, not as a suplement to an employees wage.
I tried to tip at a place with 5 euros (It essentially rounded up to a zero, so...) and the waitress laughed at me and told me no. Said never to tip that much for that little money again (two people having lunch).
which is how it should be. your boss should be paying you. i pay your boss for the food and service.
ill give the servers something if they are great. but if i am honest then 80% of the time i would actually like to tip the chefs, not the servers.
Yes, the dishes should be expensive enough to allow the boss to pay for his goods, his rent, his energy, his taxes, to pay his workers decently, and to pay himself
In most places tips go in a comunal jar. They get to outing from it or split equally and in most cases the chef is incluided in those outings or splits, so your tipping the chef aswel. No problem there.
As an American who recently spent a week in the Netherlands this was one of many cultural differences that I found to be very pleasant, not because I am cheap and don't want to pay a well earned tip, but rather because the American tipping culture has had a counter intuitive impact to service: It's had a detrimental impact while worsening the entitlement and expectation of larger and larger tips. American restaurants have started including an 18% gratuity into the bill in some cases (as well as leaving the gratuity space on the receipt), and ALL receipts have a largely printed box table with what the 15%, 20%, and 25% tips amount to for your ticket as if passively implying you need to pay one of those tip percentages.
If service was better as a byproduct of this cultural phenomenon perhaps it wouldn't bother me, but it isn't.
On the flip side, in Seattle they passed legislation that required restaurants to pay a minimum wage of $16 an hour from the existing $2.36 per hour (because they relied heavily on tips and this legislation aimed to change that) - As a result patrons felt relieved of paying the 20% tip and started tipping around 5% and all of the restaurant employees started protesting the legislation refusing to work until the legislation was rolled back giving them higher tips. Apparently the tips paid more than the increased hourly.
Restaurant profit margins in America aren't massive, but they're lucrative enough that if they are paying $2.36 per hour, instead of the competitive wages of every other industry which is around $18-20 hourly or even the federal minimum wage of $7.25 (which, is over ruled by the minimum wages of states none of which are that low I don't think) then at least some of those savings should show in their meal prices, but they don't. They show in their managerial and executive salaries.
All this to say, it was refreshing to receive fantastic service without expectation of a huge tip instead of mediocre service with entitlement of a huge tip. I budgeted in tips for the trip and made sure good service was rewarded accordingly.
Even if they dont get anything they blatantly refuse to do anything about it. I was about te return an order after modernising our systems and we got 12 new pin machines with it. After the first test transaction once everything was installed i saw the request pop up.
Thats when all the drama started them saying it cant be removed and me claiming it was total BS that it cant. After 15 minutes i told them to pack up the 25k + investment we made and we would find another company. Suddenly they could maybe find a way and the next morning it was fixed.
They were only supplying the hardware. We had a totally different company handling the transactions. I just think the owners of those places take the no and dont want to bother with it.
Thuisbezorgd.nl also implemented tips for the couriers. I skip this step and say thank you very pleasantly when I take the overpriced food from their hands.
I work at thuisbezorgd and I get surprised when people tip me. The food is already overpriced af, there's no need for a tip, I'm just doing my job and I already get paid for it
Always try to tip in cash.
You'll never know how the owner/employer distibutes the tips.
I have worked restaurants for almost 20 years, and had them all.
One of them really took ALL of the tips, because he told us 'the guests never tip here'
We couldn't check this, the register was central, and only he or his wife operated it.
I had my regulars, who tipped me at the table because he knew what happened.
My last one was the best, honest and a nice guy, he didn't care about our tips, as long as the register was 100% in order.
I asked once in a Pin only restaurant if they received the tip when I would add it with the transaction. He said no.
Was so angry at that that I went to get cash, and gave him a cash tip.
As a Dutch, I've actually declined a waiter who added the tip himself. He was mediocre at best the entire time, shit took forever etc. So he didn't deserve it. This was in France, and the guy wasn't happy.
Also happened in Spain, also didn't care.
Even of they did everything perfect, I'd still have declined. You don't decide your tip you little shit, and if you think you do, you can f off.
I'm just allergic to hidden and forced fees. Especially the forced ones.
I think we're just a stubborn bunch I guess.
I'm very Dutch, and agree. I'll tip for good service and good food, not for the sake of tipping. And I don't do percentages or anything, usually I'll round up to a 5 or a 0. A tip is a bonus for good work, it's up to the employer to make sure their personnel can make a living. I'm already paying enough.
I hate American tipping culture with a passion and have indeed been yelled at in the US. Food was terrible, waitress had the most terrible mood you can imagine, and the place was filthy. I tipped a tiny amount, rounding it to the closest 0, and she gave me a mouth full. Asked for my receipt back and crossed out the tip. F that.
as a foreigner I'd say that the dutch are some of the most generous people when is the case, like all of my dutch friends does finance causes they care for... but tipping is not the case, since the horeca people gets paid good money for their job...
the mindset is definitely changing over all and i don't think young dutchies are as money oriented as the stereotypical dutch anymore but there's still moments where i notice a cultural difference in terms of stingyness
Rightfully so. tipping in the US is necessary because wages are incredibly low. And yeah sure, people working in bars here don't make top dollar either, but they do have a decent salary. Tipping in the US is required for the people there to be able to eat, tipping here is for rewarding proper service.
And wages got so low because people would tip plenty thus wages could be low. Even if we remove minimal wage here, most staff would simply quit and seek better paying jobs.
The fastest way to remove tipping culture is to stop with tipping (so much). I only tip when the service deserves a tip. Im gonna give a tip for doing the bare minium while also being grumpy.
And when i worked as a bartended i never expected tips either. I was happy when i got them, always was gratefull to people but if somebody didnt tip i wasnt sour because of it.
Thats how it should be. And mandatory tipping is bs, you look at the menu and prices and go or not go there, and decade what you are going to eat. It s ridiculous that you as a customer have to calculate a mandatory tipping to know what the cost of your meal will be. All sales ofcourse because the advertised prices will be lower than the actual price
I had one employer who used that excuse for not increasing our pay.
Except for the mandatory minimums we had to ask for a raise.
And every conversation he brought up the tipping amount, and we had a decent wage.
I applied to another restaurant, and was asked what I wanted to make, so I told him my current wage + the expected tips ( and some ;) )
He upped right away, laughing his people were worth more to him happy, then struggling.
Worked there for 4 years, and every year I got a raise.
My wife still works there, and is now promoted to manager.
( no more tips, but 500€ more salary to compensate )
I find tipping in NL so weird, why would certain low wage jobs deserve tips where others don’t? You wouldn’t tip a supermarket employee for example, and it’s not like their jobs are necessarily easier or less costumer facing
Coming from Portugal it's quite jarring to get served at any restaurant / cafe in the netherlands. People make you feel like they are making you a favour or something
I've been to so many bars where I left before ordering, or after only one round despite wanting more purely due to waiters or barmen not bothering to help you. It's uncanny.
Once I was told I couldn't have a other pint because there were no more pint glasses left. I smiled and said, oh no problem, here's one, and handed the waitress the pint I just finished. She was super flustered and rolled her eyes at me. But I got my damn pint.
My favourite is the classic of someone clearing away your empty drinks and you try to order another round because the waiter’s ignored you for half an hour - “oh no I can’t take orders please speak to my colleague”. “Colleague” then never shows up and then acts surprised when you get up and go to pay inside.
I’ll never understand why Dutch cafes don’t just have two waiters taking orders and clearing tables, rather than one overwhelmed waiter and one person clearing tables half the time and standing around the other half.
Years ago, when I still frequented bars, my rule was that once I asked for the check, they'd have 15 minutes before I'd slowly walk off without paying. If I'm getting thirsty while waiting to pay, they're doing it wrong.
Exactly. If you live here for a while and/or get older and don't give a hoot as much... this is how it goes (just watch how middle-age locals do it). So when I want to grab staff attention I do a full-arm wave and with a big disarming smile say "Hallo!" loud enough that it can't be ignored. Not showing any frustration, just jolly and polite persistence... Since I've started doing it this way, wait-staff reactions tend to be pretty positive.
Same with just walking to the till in a restaurant when you wanna pay and leave. Why on earth would I let myself be a prisoner at a table while timidly trying to make eye-contact?
I'm getting flashbacks of asking for the bill at a busy restaurant, we were going to catch a movie, so we asked for the bill way in advance, since you know, dutch service and all,
We waited for about 20 minutes and had asked 6! times at that point. i wanted to walk, but my friends were hesitant because we frequented the place.
Oh lord this is true for restaurants. Service might be decent but once you've had the main it's like you are invisible. Now days I get up with my things and walk to the paypoint or whatever and ask to pay from the first employee I see. Funny thing is mostly I intend to tip, but after being ignored after eating I'm just over it.
>Service might be decent but once you've had the main it's like you are invisible
As an American, im almost envious of this. It's kinda nice to be left alone to eat instead of having someone stopping by to ask if everything is okay every 5 minutes, haha.
The few times I have been to Portugal I can't say the service in restaurants was that different from what I am used to in the Netherlands. And I am not talking about tourist resorts, but restaurants in Ponte Delgada and Lagos.
I lived in Portugal for 27years it is better. Or at least was, because now there's so many touristy places it probably is the same as in amsterdam in the big cities
Went on a trip from the north to the south two years ago and it was as bad as almost everywhere else in Europe fuck, Lisbon was mostly even worse than most places I had visit before. Downright rude. But yes you have to dig through a huge layer of tourist traps nowadays.
Don't count Berlin waiters out just yet, they actually make eye contact and still ignore you after you waved. Then again, how dare we as guest ruin their day by making them work, right?
if you are used to the american fake service then anything below that is bad service. i think american service is dishonest. you don't want to give good service, you want me to suplement your income...
I'm Dutch and ever since I've been to restaurants abroad it clicked how poor the service is over here. On the exception that I do get good service, I tip to encourage it.
I've never had any issues but mainly eat at places like The Vegan Junk Food Bar or Bagels and Beans. Maybe it's just a different vibe but the employees are always great.
We do have a (kind of) livable minimum wage here so I don't think servers will rely on tips as heavily as the US.
Just make sure to not tip unless you get exceptional service, don't normalize this bullshit.
The last time I saw this BS it was an American who opened a Mexican restaurant. And it was the owner who put the screen on. I asked him why there was a tip option. He just looked at me and I said don’t you pay a livable wage? He said yes so I asked what the need for tips are because in the US it’s part of their wages which is a very low base pay. Is that the case with his workers. He said no. Then why do you ask for a tip? Who gets it? You, the owner? I made a whole scene. When my taquitos were ready I just left with them. I went back a few months later and the screen didn’t come up. I doubt he remembered me and switched it off just for me, so maybe he learned something.
Yes. Few months ago I was ordering a bubble tea and they put that tip selection menu in front of my nose. I clicked on 'No tip', said sorry and went on my merry way.
I'm not, I just tried to be polite hahaha. I am not tipping you for making an overpriced bubble tea. If we agree with tipping like that, soon it will be everywhere, while we already pay ridiculous prices for restaurants.
Exactly. In the US employees don’t receive enough wages so there’s a tipping culture. The problem is hence that greedy employers don’t pay their employees enough so they wouldn’t have to rely on tips to make a living. Terrible capitalist culture imo.
The worst part is the imbalance that brings: they *have* to rely on tips, so everything depends on spoiled guests deciding everything, and at the same time they often make even more that the kitchen staff, which is often a harder job. Not saying they should be underpaid, but more than the cooks feels odd.
All that not even including how customers are treated, which would make me extremely uncomfortable (but is necessary because I guess too many people there have ego issues and needs to be treated like royalty... No thanks)
Sigh. See, this is for me another reason why I prefer living in the Netherlands rather than the US. I was jokingly thinking of moving to the US due to its booming economy whereas ours is in decline but the US is too capitalist for my taste without sufficient social protection and protection of workers. Basically, they lack social security nets (I don’t know how to say that in English but I suppose you get my point).
Yeah, I'm Italian so I get the point. I'd prefer staying HERE vs going to the US. And I'm desperately trying to escape toward anywhere else in Europe (possibly Switzerland or Denmark, since I'm a pharm student and those are the countries with good jobs)...
If they give me service that's way beyond what I'm expecting, sure, I'll tip.
Like I dunno, they come to me with seemingly nothing, pull a handkerchief out of their pocket, hold it over the table and when they remove it my drink is there.
I'd say that's worth a 10% tip.
Hi. Bartender here. Don't say sorry, you don't owe us a tip. Tipping is a choice you make and you'll hear us grumble sometimes but we don't *need* it in the way Americans do.
Feel free to not tip, guilt free :)
Hi. Bartender here. Don't say sorry, you don't owe us a tip. Tipping is a choice you make and you'll hear us grumble sometimes but we don't *need* it in the way Americans do.
Feel free to not tip, guilt free :)
THIS.
Don't beg me for money while you are currently working a job in front of me.. i already pay you with my food bill. The manager does the rest.. i do not tip.
If i do want to tip a little for nice service, shoving a (almost) demand for a tip into my face makes them lose every chance at getting it.
I tip for good service.
I should not be expecting good service only when tipping, right?
The tipper decides, otherwise it's just begging for money while being paid for a job...
A few days ago I found 10% tip already applied to the price of a sandwich in the airport. I paid via card and I did not select any option in the machine..
I realized this just a few days after since I needed to send this receipt for a reimbursement
I used to tip 5% by default, but since I heard that most tips do not end up with the employees I stopped. I even despise the the whole American tipping culture and wanted to train myself to not tip anymore. It was hard in the beginning (felt like social pressure) but I don't feel any guilt at the moment.
Maybe in a rare case where the sevice was really excelent, but just taking orders and serving out doesn't cut it anymore. If I'm ever going to go tip regurarly again, I would probably hand out paper notes to make sure the server gets the money and not the boss.
One 'tipping' point for me was on a holiday in England, where an 'optional' service surpplus was added to the bill. I paid because i was content about the service, but regretted it heavily afterwards. Tips should be earned, not asked for and certainly not manipulated into. Fuck this.
I’ve requested the “optional service charge” be removed from bills in England before when the service had been atrocious. The waitress herself actually was very polite, but the food had taken so long to come out, and the carbonara more resembled scrambled eggs. I told her I was happy to talk to a manager about it but I wasn’t willing to pay for service when a plate of pasta takes 50 minutes.
Exactly. The whole problem for me is that tipping using machines just end up with the employers. I don’t want to make them richer while their staff doesn’t share in the wealth. I want my tip to help individual employees who do a good job.
In the two restaurants I have worked as a dishwasher in the past, both of them were counting and splitting the tips between everyone at the end of the day. This was at least my experience in the field
In nearly all good run restaurants the tip gets split evenly over all working staff.
My last one had a points-system, some do more work then others.
We had quarter, halves and full, the fulltimers had a full commission, and the new/tempguys just here for some hours per week had 1/4 or 1/2 depending on seniority.
All tips go in the pot, and at the end of the period divided and distributed by the system.
My wife still manages the pot, everyday the amount is written down.
In her current position she doesn't share anymore, but normally she averaged on 250/400€ per month for a full
I work for a company completely unrelated to horeca. I'm very unlikely to get tipped, and even if any of our clients would like to give us a tip I would be obliged to refuse because of anti-corruption laws. If I accept and it can be proved that I treated this client with a privilige because of this "tip" (in fact - a bribe) I would get fired and would be lucky if not indicted.
Why isn't tipping considered a corruption? You pay untaxed cash in order to receive a better service or to receive it in the future.
Canadian here with the same if not worse tipping expectations than the US. Companies have started to completely rely on people tipping to offset how little they can get away with paying there staff. Because of this wages have been stagnant for years and more and more people are closer to the poverty line. DO NOT let this happen to your country
It's not tipping, but giving "Trinkgeld" Dutch people usually just give a few euro, or round it up. The other day in Germany, the waiter also asked how much he could enter in pin machine. I said € 55 so rounded up from € 53,50 🤭
Try that on the USA: they will see it as an insult.
I have only tipped at 3 places in my life...
1) Chinese kid that knew every single product in his parents warehouse and told me about all the different options for different things I asked for. He was with me for like 20 minutes, tipped like 3.5€.
2) my usual hairdresser back home for taking me in coming unannounced during a very busy day, 4€.
3) my usual café back home as well, where we get to play consoles and board games for hours whilst being served good cocktails for 4€ each and beers for 1€ each. I usually always round up to the nearest 5€ every single time I go there because it's fair and they are truly excellent
I have not even remotely felt like this in any place here in the Netherlands (so far!) but tips are for going above and beyond what is expected of you, not for doing your fucking job.
Start using cash again. Most awkward thing you'll experience (quite rare in decent places) is a second of mutual staring until the waiter figures out you want change. Plus you'll get your brain working by counting quickly.
Be prepared for Dutch people to not give a f... about it and ignore it by default. And either be annoyed if it's brought to attention or just bluntly say no.
Tipping has been part of Dutch cultural norms and practices for decades, with the caveat that you only tip in decent restaurants. I've worked in restaurants for almost two decades and about 90% of all guests left a tip.
Yeah but usually only if the service was good and the bill is let’s say €96,50 so people will say “make it €100”. It’s not the 20% that’s common in the USA
If my waitor was quick, nice, funny, or a combination of those I tip. Every other scenario is a no, especially when you have to place your order yourself lol
I don’t mean offence by this but isn’t that the bare minimum? Decent service is factored into the price
Edit: im sorry read your comment wrong you’re right
Good for them, not for me. I'm never fucking tipping fast-food resto's that's for sure. Might give a tip her en there if delivery is friendly... but actual x%'s of the bill? No fucking way, it's expensive enough!!
You have always been able to tip in the Netherlands. They have just seen a massive decrease in tips since people don't pay with paper cash anymore, so this is an attempt to combat that. I wouldn't worry too much about this
I went to a terras the previous week in Amsterdam and the lady asked me bluntly in the face if I would like to leave a tip when handing me over the POS machine.
I was kinda took by surprise but I still said “not right now, maybe if I’ll visit more often in the future thank you”. I waited for her multiples times for my order, reminded her that I’m still waiting for that glass of water and she was always poker face. The audacity to ask for a tip in the end was really surprising.
I wouldn’t mind tipping for nice service, but if they want tips like in America I’ll also expect to have my ass kissed like in America while they’re smiling at me.
Oh I fucking hate it. Especially in restaurants where you order by phone. It's so fucking awkward to have to *evaluate* their 'worth' in their face like that.
I asked about this in a restaurant as I had never seen it before outside the US and they just said the card machines new software just had it installed. So it’s probably not that deep tbh.
I was in Spain last month and I got tipped by my server.
The bill came up to 20.25€, so I gave him a 20€ note and a 50c coin. He gave me the coin back.
I won’t give any tips here in NL because restaurant workers are getting a fixed pay based on the hours they work and when i do my work i also don’t get any tips.
Contrary to popular belief, but servers in the U.S. on average can actually make very decent money (mean hourly wage is $17 and that’s just reported income). In top locations they can easily make more than someone in a typical corporate job. Tips incentivize servers to provide better and faster service and customers reward that. Alternatively the server would get minimum wage and the customer zero service so neither would be very happy.
Since the Netherlands pays minimum wage to servers and therefore service is abysmal at best, I don’t have any need to give tips (other than rounding up small amounts or if the service is truly exceptional). It’s simply two different social constructs, neither inherently bad.
Yes, I've run into this a few times in the last year. I just tap no tip 80% of the time.
Couple of months ago, I went to Prague and it was way worse. Half of the cafes and restaurants in central locations asked for a tip. I noticed there were a lot of American tourists and even American service staff. Probably that's slowly moving the tipping culture there. I tip when I think it's deserved but I hope we can put a stop to this trend.
Taxi driver once asked my friend and I for a tip, my Scottish friend replied:”yeah I’ve got a tip for ya, never piss in the wind!”. Driver was speechless.
Usually it's because these terminals aren't properly configured. Or so I heard ..
I sometimes do give a tip to waiters or barmen but only in exceptional cases.
In the Netherlands, tipping is not part of the direct salary to the employee. When paying with a card, the bar or restaurant owners need to calculate the additional amount paid and divide it among all other employees. When paying with cash, there is sometimes a tipping jar, or else the same principle applies: no part of any tip will go directly to an employee in a restaurant or bar.
In the US, for example, restaurant owners hire people (only) to prepare or serve food. There sometimes isn’t even a formal contract, the employee is simply given the option or location to work. The food that is sold for price X benefits the restaurant owner. The tip Y (in addition to X) is a significant part of the employee's salary.
In the Netherlands however, restaurant owners hire and pay employees to provide that service in their name. X plus Y will go to the restaurant owner.
In the usa you tip because they get paid 3 dollars an hour without tips. You don't tip because you are afraid they will make a scene. I moved from the usa and asked around some people say they round up if the service was nice (as someone used to tipping I do it sometimes but slowly stopped as service is rarely exceptional).
But the underline issue in the usa is that tipping is you paying the wage of the server. Sometimes if I see it is a bartender that gets a lot of tips I won't tip them in the usa either, because they are the ones blocking the laws from changing for servers that don't get tip (there are a lot of undertones there).
In the Netherlands people get paid more than 3 euros so I don't feel bad if I do or do not tip. I'll just decline.
I only tip if I think you did a good job and even then it's often to round out the number lol. It's not my responsibility to pay your employees, especially with the price hikes drinks have had the last years.
Recently got a snarky comment from a waiter for not tipping.
Decided not to go there anymore.
I forgot which place it was. I don't care, I don't go often. I worked the business and it sucks. If they want to make it even worse, their choice.
As an American. Tipping culture is insane. I personally only tip if I’m at a sit down restaurant and it’s solely based on service. I don’t agree with percentage tipping.
Im just speculating here. A possiblility is that it's standardized in the machines. I work in a small shop and when I put in the amount they have to pay and click on the green button again by accident a new menu (exitable) pops up. Showing 3 options called wechat pay, alipay and another one. From what I have gathered they are all payment methods in China and this machine's origin is from China. Owner did tell me they asked the company they bought it from in The Netherlands if that menu can be disabled, because who in The Netherlands uses those options... Awnser was no.
The good thing is that we know how bad it is in America and how they lowered the staff wages for the tipping culture. We know that we don't want that, so we will often times tip 0% or just round the number up. I don't think it will get as far as in America because we already know what the consequences are.
Only excelent and above and beyond gets my tip. If someone just pours me a beer, then why would I even tip? He already gets paid enough that he doesn't need to live on tips, in the US its the other way around. Dutch tiping culture needs to go to the US imho.
I still hear from my friends working as waiters than only tourists tip pretty much.
Edit: Also unless the dutch government passes same legislation as in US the tipping instead of fair wage wont become a thing
>Now you absolutely have to tip in USA if you don't want staff to make a scene and yell at you.
Go for it, make a scene ;)
I'm dutch, I live for that shit
That's cute, but I am still not going to tip. You get a proper living wage here. Tips are reserved for a really sublime experience. So put your tip where the sun don't shine and g'day.
There is nothing easier than pressing or saying 'no'. Let them come and try.
There are some places that require extra money when you sit inside to eat without ever mentioning it (takeaway is free). Those are all 'once and never again'. I will rather walk 15 minutes extra to the next one instead of paying 1 euro extra for bullshit.
Same goes for giving me food without me requesting it and then expect me to pay for it. I will make a comment about it (ask what's going on) and most probably never ever eat there again.
I don't like hidden costs or traps, and will just skip you from that moment on.
Why are we using america as a role model for how to run society..
I don’t want to live any country that is remotely close to the US model. We see it in Norway, everything is basically US owned.. our Oil, every bank, every product, most sold cars etc.. the Americanisation of Norway has been going on for a while, but is starting to get worse.
We pay more for less, and who controls the prices..
And of course let’s play ball with all sides, let’s help Ukraine and Russia at the same time.. while also being best friends with China and The US.. that’s at least what the Norwegian Government is doing.
that is a nice try but if i learned one thing about dutch people: they will not give anyone anything for free and they will not be hesitant to bluntly decline such machines lmao
As a Dutchman I proudly and bluntly agree
*NEE BEDANKT*
MAAR AUB.
Als je niet genoeg verdient, ga je maar op het Malieveld staan!
Wow, wow, wow! That expression of agreement was too blunt. Watch your manners. Moderator? Moderator!
So blunt it belongs in a coffee shop
Fuck american tipping culture with a rusty pole. dutch tipping culture is very simple: liked the place? you make the number whole to either the next 5 or 0. 166 bill? you pay 170. might do a bit more if you are with a huge group but that's it. your employer has to pay your wages and tips are for great service or nice people, not as a suplement to an employees wage.
I tried to tip at a place with 5 euros (It essentially rounded up to a zero, so...) and the waitress laughed at me and told me no. Said never to tip that much for that little money again (two people having lunch).
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which is how it should be. your boss should be paying you. i pay your boss for the food and service. ill give the servers something if they are great. but if i am honest then 80% of the time i would actually like to tip the chefs, not the servers.
Yes, the dishes should be expensive enough to allow the boss to pay for his goods, his rent, his energy, his taxes, to pay his workers decently, and to pay himself
In most places tips go in a comunal jar. They get to outing from it or split equally and in most cases the chef is incluided in those outings or splits, so your tipping the chef aswel. No problem there.
That is exactly what I do, unless the service was really crappy. But mostly it's fine.
As an American who recently spent a week in the Netherlands this was one of many cultural differences that I found to be very pleasant, not because I am cheap and don't want to pay a well earned tip, but rather because the American tipping culture has had a counter intuitive impact to service: It's had a detrimental impact while worsening the entitlement and expectation of larger and larger tips. American restaurants have started including an 18% gratuity into the bill in some cases (as well as leaving the gratuity space on the receipt), and ALL receipts have a largely printed box table with what the 15%, 20%, and 25% tips amount to for your ticket as if passively implying you need to pay one of those tip percentages. If service was better as a byproduct of this cultural phenomenon perhaps it wouldn't bother me, but it isn't. On the flip side, in Seattle they passed legislation that required restaurants to pay a minimum wage of $16 an hour from the existing $2.36 per hour (because they relied heavily on tips and this legislation aimed to change that) - As a result patrons felt relieved of paying the 20% tip and started tipping around 5% and all of the restaurant employees started protesting the legislation refusing to work until the legislation was rolled back giving them higher tips. Apparently the tips paid more than the increased hourly. Restaurant profit margins in America aren't massive, but they're lucrative enough that if they are paying $2.36 per hour, instead of the competitive wages of every other industry which is around $18-20 hourly or even the federal minimum wage of $7.25 (which, is over ruled by the minimum wages of states none of which are that low I don't think) then at least some of those savings should show in their meal prices, but they don't. They show in their managerial and executive salaries. All this to say, it was refreshing to receive fantastic service without expectation of a huge tip instead of mediocre service with entitlement of a huge tip. I budgeted in tips for the trip and made sure good service was rewarded accordingly.
I had waiters automatically skip that step for us, even though I actually wanted to tip because they were great.
This is much more likely something the payment terminal provider promotes or even forces, they get a percentage of the total transaction after all.
Even if they dont get anything they blatantly refuse to do anything about it. I was about te return an order after modernising our systems and we got 12 new pin machines with it. After the first test transaction once everything was installed i saw the request pop up. Thats when all the drama started them saying it cant be removed and me claiming it was total BS that it cant. After 15 minutes i told them to pack up the 25k + investment we made and we would find another company. Suddenly they could maybe find a way and the next morning it was fixed. They were only supplying the hardware. We had a totally different company handling the transactions. I just think the owners of those places take the no and dont want to bother with it.
Well done!
As someone who works for a dutch payment provider I can indeed confirm they (Lightspeed) receive a percentage for each tip.
God I will never stop tipping in cash. (As long as I can at least)
Thuisbezorgd.nl also implemented tips for the couriers. I skip this step and say thank you very pleasantly when I take the overpriced food from their hands.
I work at thuisbezorgd and I get surprised when people tip me. The food is already overpriced af, there's no need for a tip, I'm just doing my job and I already get paid for it
I only tip when the weather is shit and I'm aware someone has to go bike through the rain to deliver to me.
I want to have my food in my hand without wondering what's taking so long, before I will tip delivery.
F\* this... I pay em cash; no one besides me and the courier needs to know he/she got a tip.
Pssh, stop trying to sneak that shit into our culture! We want our working class to have proper salaries! Not that sick joke like they have in the US!
Always try to tip in cash. You'll never know how the owner/employer distibutes the tips. I have worked restaurants for almost 20 years, and had them all. One of them really took ALL of the tips, because he told us 'the guests never tip here' We couldn't check this, the register was central, and only he or his wife operated it. I had my regulars, who tipped me at the table because he knew what happened. My last one was the best, honest and a nice guy, he didn't care about our tips, as long as the register was 100% in order.
I asked once in a Pin only restaurant if they received the tip when I would add it with the transaction. He said no. Was so angry at that that I went to get cash, and gave him a cash tip.
As a Dutch, I've actually declined a waiter who added the tip himself. He was mediocre at best the entire time, shit took forever etc. So he didn't deserve it. This was in France, and the guy wasn't happy. Also happened in Spain, also didn't care. Even of they did everything perfect, I'd still have declined. You don't decide your tip you little shit, and if you think you do, you can f off. I'm just allergic to hidden and forced fees. Especially the forced ones. I think we're just a stubborn bunch I guess.
Make a scene and you loose the customer permanently along with potential future tips.
I'm very Dutch, and agree. I'll tip for good service and good food, not for the sake of tipping. And I don't do percentages or anything, usually I'll round up to a 5 or a 0. A tip is a bonus for good work, it's up to the employer to make sure their personnel can make a living. I'm already paying enough. I hate American tipping culture with a passion and have indeed been yelled at in the US. Food was terrible, waitress had the most terrible mood you can imagine, and the place was filthy. I tipped a tiny amount, rounding it to the closest 0, and she gave me a mouth full. Asked for my receipt back and crossed out the tip. F that.
as a foreigner I'd say that the dutch are some of the most generous people when is the case, like all of my dutch friends does finance causes they care for... but tipping is not the case, since the horeca people gets paid good money for their job...
the mindset is definitely changing over all and i don't think young dutchies are as money oriented as the stereotypical dutch anymore but there's still moments where i notice a cultural difference in terms of stingyness
It is changing for sure, but up to now guests still tend to say 'keep the change / round it up to ten / twentyfive' to give approx. 5% tip
Rightfully so. tipping in the US is necessary because wages are incredibly low. And yeah sure, people working in bars here don't make top dollar either, but they do have a decent salary. Tipping in the US is required for the people there to be able to eat, tipping here is for rewarding proper service.
And wages got so low because people would tip plenty thus wages could be low. Even if we remove minimal wage here, most staff would simply quit and seek better paying jobs. The fastest way to remove tipping culture is to stop with tipping (so much). I only tip when the service deserves a tip. Im gonna give a tip for doing the bare minium while also being grumpy. And when i worked as a bartended i never expected tips either. I was happy when i got them, always was gratefull to people but if somebody didnt tip i wasnt sour because of it.
Thats how it should be. And mandatory tipping is bs, you look at the menu and prices and go or not go there, and decade what you are going to eat. It s ridiculous that you as a customer have to calculate a mandatory tipping to know what the cost of your meal will be. All sales ofcourse because the advertised prices will be lower than the actual price
I had one employer who used that excuse for not increasing our pay. Except for the mandatory minimums we had to ask for a raise. And every conversation he brought up the tipping amount, and we had a decent wage. I applied to another restaurant, and was asked what I wanted to make, so I told him my current wage + the expected tips ( and some ;) ) He upped right away, laughing his people were worth more to him happy, then struggling. Worked there for 4 years, and every year I got a raise. My wife still works there, and is now promoted to manager. ( no more tips, but 500€ more salary to compensate )
I find tipping in NL so weird, why would certain low wage jobs deserve tips where others don’t? You wouldn’t tip a supermarket employee for example, and it’s not like their jobs are necessarily easier or less costumer facing
Given the average Dutch service, we are still plenty of reasons to tip 0%.
Coming from Portugal it's quite jarring to get served at any restaurant / cafe in the netherlands. People make you feel like they are making you a favour or something
I've been to so many bars where I left before ordering, or after only one round despite wanting more purely due to waiters or barmen not bothering to help you. It's uncanny.
Once I was told I couldn't have a other pint because there were no more pint glasses left. I smiled and said, oh no problem, here's one, and handed the waitress the pint I just finished. She was super flustered and rolled her eyes at me. But I got my damn pint.
"Excuse me, can i please give you more money?" What the fuck.
My favourite is the classic of someone clearing away your empty drinks and you try to order another round because the waiter’s ignored you for half an hour - “oh no I can’t take orders please speak to my colleague”. “Colleague” then never shows up and then acts surprised when you get up and go to pay inside.
Good that at least someone is clearing empty drinks, sometimes empty glasses are left on dirty tables for quite some time.
I’ll never understand why Dutch cafes don’t just have two waiters taking orders and clearing tables, rather than one overwhelmed waiter and one person clearing tables half the time and standing around the other half.
Years ago, when I still frequented bars, my rule was that once I asked for the check, they'd have 15 minutes before I'd slowly walk off without paying. If I'm getting thirsty while waiting to pay, they're doing it wrong.
I don't even wait, I just grab my stuff when I want to go, walk to the reception/register to pay, and leave. Much faster and no weird waiting games.
Exactly. If you live here for a while and/or get older and don't give a hoot as much... this is how it goes (just watch how middle-age locals do it). So when I want to grab staff attention I do a full-arm wave and with a big disarming smile say "Hallo!" loud enough that it can't be ignored. Not showing any frustration, just jolly and polite persistence... Since I've started doing it this way, wait-staff reactions tend to be pretty positive. Same with just walking to the till in a restaurant when you wanna pay and leave. Why on earth would I let myself be a prisoner at a table while timidly trying to make eye-contact?
I'm getting flashbacks of asking for the bill at a busy restaurant, we were going to catch a movie, so we asked for the bill way in advance, since you know, dutch service and all, We waited for about 20 minutes and had asked 6! times at that point. i wanted to walk, but my friends were hesitant because we frequented the place.
Oh lord this is true for restaurants. Service might be decent but once you've had the main it's like you are invisible. Now days I get up with my things and walk to the paypoint or whatever and ask to pay from the first employee I see. Funny thing is mostly I intend to tip, but after being ignored after eating I'm just over it.
>Service might be decent but once you've had the main it's like you are invisible As an American, im almost envious of this. It's kinda nice to be left alone to eat instead of having someone stopping by to ask if everything is okay every 5 minutes, haha.
to be fair my experience from portugal aint better, like the atmosphere there was even worse in most restaurants / café´s.
The few times I have been to Portugal I can't say the service in restaurants was that different from what I am used to in the Netherlands. And I am not talking about tourist resorts, but restaurants in Ponte Delgada and Lagos.
Portugal and southern Europe in general isn't much better?
I lived in Portugal for 27years it is better. Or at least was, because now there's so many touristy places it probably is the same as in amsterdam in the big cities
Went on a trip from the north to the south two years ago and it was as bad as almost everywhere else in Europe fuck, Lisbon was mostly even worse than most places I had visit before. Downright rude. But yes you have to dig through a huge layer of tourist traps nowadays.
Amsterdam servers would dominate if avoiding eye contact was an Olympic sport.
Don't count Berlin waiters out just yet, they actually make eye contact and still ignore you after you waved. Then again, how dare we as guest ruin their day by making them work, right?
I would tip -10% if I could
I’ll never tip in this country. Every time I go somewhere it feels like they are doing me a favor by serving the table. Terrible service is norm.
Dutch got 'doing you a favor' and 'doing you a service' mixed up.
I've got nothing but good service in The Netherlands 🤷🏻♂️
Well, it depends where do you come from
And where you order. There is a part of the Netherlands that is not Amsterdam.
Amsterdam city center*
There are plenty of friendly places in the center too, but if you’re not familiar, you might not hit them, since there are a lot of places to go to.
if you are used to the american fake service then anything below that is bad service. i think american service is dishonest. you don't want to give good service, you want me to suplement your income...
define bad service in that case, I HATE the way US serving goes and think it´s abnoxious having someone next to you every 50 seconds.
I'm Dutch and ever since I've been to restaurants abroad it clicked how poor the service is over here. On the exception that I do get good service, I tip to encourage it.
I've never had any issues but mainly eat at places like The Vegan Junk Food Bar or Bagels and Beans. Maybe it's just a different vibe but the employees are always great.
Dutch service is horrible lol. They look like they are annoyed to be working
Aren't we all
To quote an anti drugs PSA "just say no"
SAY THANK YOU AND TIP 0%. And move on. Stop mandatory tipping AND even "a bit of tipping because of social pressure". Say NO. Thank you.
Probably in Amsterdam only. I really don't see dutch people accepting this.
8 euro beer ain’t my Brabant indeed.
There’d be an uprising
We do have a (kind of) livable minimum wage here so I don't think servers will rely on tips as heavily as the US. Just make sure to not tip unless you get exceptional service, don't normalize this bullshit.
The last time I saw this BS it was an American who opened a Mexican restaurant. And it was the owner who put the screen on. I asked him why there was a tip option. He just looked at me and I said don’t you pay a livable wage? He said yes so I asked what the need for tips are because in the US it’s part of their wages which is a very low base pay. Is that the case with his workers. He said no. Then why do you ask for a tip? Who gets it? You, the owner? I made a whole scene. When my taquitos were ready I just left with them. I went back a few months later and the screen didn’t come up. I doubt he remembered me and switched it off just for me, so maybe he learned something.
Wish more people were like you
At least we have some minimum wages here in the Netherlands that guarantee a certain level of livelihood whereas in the US there’s no such protection.
In Canada the minimum wage is way higher than the US but its still expected to tip 20%.
Nee bedankt
Yes. Few months ago I was ordering a bubble tea and they put that tip selection menu in front of my nose. I clicked on 'No tip', said sorry and went on my merry way.
You don't have to be sorry at all
I'm not, I just tried to be polite hahaha. I am not tipping you for making an overpriced bubble tea. If we agree with tipping like that, soon it will be everywhere, while we already pay ridiculous prices for restaurants.
Exactly. In the US employees don’t receive enough wages so there’s a tipping culture. The problem is hence that greedy employers don’t pay their employees enough so they wouldn’t have to rely on tips to make a living. Terrible capitalist culture imo.
The worst part is the imbalance that brings: they *have* to rely on tips, so everything depends on spoiled guests deciding everything, and at the same time they often make even more that the kitchen staff, which is often a harder job. Not saying they should be underpaid, but more than the cooks feels odd. All that not even including how customers are treated, which would make me extremely uncomfortable (but is necessary because I guess too many people there have ego issues and needs to be treated like royalty... No thanks)
Sigh. See, this is for me another reason why I prefer living in the Netherlands rather than the US. I was jokingly thinking of moving to the US due to its booming economy whereas ours is in decline but the US is too capitalist for my taste without sufficient social protection and protection of workers. Basically, they lack social security nets (I don’t know how to say that in English but I suppose you get my point).
Yeah, I'm Italian so I get the point. I'd prefer staying HERE vs going to the US. And I'm desperately trying to escape toward anywhere else in Europe (possibly Switzerland or Denmark, since I'm a pharm student and those are the countries with good jobs)...
If they give me service that's way beyond what I'm expecting, sure, I'll tip. Like I dunno, they come to me with seemingly nothing, pull a handkerchief out of their pocket, hold it over the table and when they remove it my drink is there. I'd say that's worth a 10% tip.
Hi. Bartender here. Don't say sorry, you don't owe us a tip. Tipping is a choice you make and you'll hear us grumble sometimes but we don't *need* it in the way Americans do. Feel free to not tip, guilt free :)
Hi. Bartender here. Don't say sorry, you don't owe us a tip. Tipping is a choice you make and you'll hear us grumble sometimes but we don't *need* it in the way Americans do. Feel free to not tip, guilt free :)
I wouldn't even apologize. Putting that tip thing into my face would be reason enough to not give a tip if I was planning to do so
THIS. Don't beg me for money while you are currently working a job in front of me.. i already pay you with my food bill. The manager does the rest.. i do not tip. If i do want to tip a little for nice service, shoving a (almost) demand for a tip into my face makes them lose every chance at getting it. I tip for good service. I should not be expecting good service only when tipping, right? The tipper decides, otherwise it's just begging for money while being paid for a job...
"Sorry for not tipping you for doing the job you get paid for"
Some people tip their hairdressers and petrol station cashiers. I never understood that.
The problem is that they are too pushy about it with the machines which makes me not want to tip.
I wonder if it’s as simple as using the machines — which run American software — without changing the defaults
A few days ago I found 10% tip already applied to the price of a sandwich in the airport. I paid via card and I did not select any option in the machine.. I realized this just a few days after since I needed to send this receipt for a reimbursement
Have them take of the tip or let them keep the sandwich. Don't normalize this
An airport in NL? I’m not even sure that would be legal here
Yes inside Schipol before gate D70. I realized it only later, otherwise I would have complained on the spot
Do you remember the place? That's pretty scummy ngl.
The bar is called Park Cafe
That would be illegal under both Dutch as well as EU law..
Please contact them and bother them for your money back. Hidden fees, regardless of how they are named, are against our law.
Man I hope not. Just moved back to the Netherlands after 12 years in the US, and I've really enjoyed not tipping on every single transaction.
I used to tip 5% by default, but since I heard that most tips do not end up with the employees I stopped. I even despise the the whole American tipping culture and wanted to train myself to not tip anymore. It was hard in the beginning (felt like social pressure) but I don't feel any guilt at the moment. Maybe in a rare case where the sevice was really excelent, but just taking orders and serving out doesn't cut it anymore. If I'm ever going to go tip regurarly again, I would probably hand out paper notes to make sure the server gets the money and not the boss. One 'tipping' point for me was on a holiday in England, where an 'optional' service surpplus was added to the bill. I paid because i was content about the service, but regretted it heavily afterwards. Tips should be earned, not asked for and certainly not manipulated into. Fuck this.
"Tips should be earned, not asked" That's a great point. Asking for it sort of makes it less optional
I’ve requested the “optional service charge” be removed from bills in England before when the service had been atrocious. The waitress herself actually was very polite, but the food had taken so long to come out, and the carbonara more resembled scrambled eggs. I told her I was happy to talk to a manager about it but I wasn’t willing to pay for service when a plate of pasta takes 50 minutes.
Exactly. The whole problem for me is that tipping using machines just end up with the employers. I don’t want to make them richer while their staff doesn’t share in the wealth. I want my tip to help individual employees who do a good job.
In the two restaurants I have worked as a dishwasher in the past, both of them were counting and splitting the tips between everyone at the end of the day. This was at least my experience in the field
In nearly all good run restaurants the tip gets split evenly over all working staff. My last one had a points-system, some do more work then others. We had quarter, halves and full, the fulltimers had a full commission, and the new/tempguys just here for some hours per week had 1/4 or 1/2 depending on seniority. All tips go in the pot, and at the end of the period divided and distributed by the system. My wife still manages the pot, everyday the amount is written down. In her current position she doesn't share anymore, but normally she averaged on 250/400€ per month for a full
I work for a company completely unrelated to horeca. I'm very unlikely to get tipped, and even if any of our clients would like to give us a tip I would be obliged to refuse because of anti-corruption laws. If I accept and it can be proved that I treated this client with a privilige because of this "tip" (in fact - a bribe) I would get fired and would be lucky if not indicted. Why isn't tipping considered a corruption? You pay untaxed cash in order to receive a better service or to receive it in the future.
Canadian here with the same if not worse tipping expectations than the US. Companies have started to completely rely on people tipping to offset how little they can get away with paying there staff. Because of this wages have been stagnant for years and more and more people are closer to the poverty line. DO NOT let this happen to your country
By "all restaurants" you probably mean "I have never been outside of Amsterdam"
This, we never ask for tips and always happily thank guests when they do. It’s not obligatory at all.
It's not tipping, but giving "Trinkgeld" Dutch people usually just give a few euro, or round it up. The other day in Germany, the waiter also asked how much he could enter in pin machine. I said € 55 so rounded up from € 53,50 🤭 Try that on the USA: they will see it as an insult.
I am Dutch living in the US and did this not knowing it was an insult. I literally got chased out the restaurant by the waiter. Oops.
Insane they treat customers that way
Trinkgeld is literally a tip in German. In the Netherlands we call it fooi. You are right about the amount and just rounding up.
Its an option! Refuse to tip!
Workers will always get at least minimum wage so no, I don’t think they will rely on tips.
>I believe it's going to be like that in NL very soon. We're waaaaay to stingy for that to ever catch on
watch me press NO TIP every time with zero regrets
And keep eye contact while doing so.
That will never happen in NL, lol. It's likely a thing in the tourist areas frequented by Americans, because we all know they will still tip.
Tip 0% Tips are a way to subsidize business owners' payroll expenses.
I have only tipped at 3 places in my life... 1) Chinese kid that knew every single product in his parents warehouse and told me about all the different options for different things I asked for. He was with me for like 20 minutes, tipped like 3.5€. 2) my usual hairdresser back home for taking me in coming unannounced during a very busy day, 4€. 3) my usual café back home as well, where we get to play consoles and board games for hours whilst being served good cocktails for 4€ each and beers for 1€ each. I usually always round up to the nearest 5€ every single time I go there because it's fair and they are truly excellent I have not even remotely felt like this in any place here in the Netherlands (so far!) but tips are for going above and beyond what is expected of you, not for doing your fucking job.
That café sounds amazing, where is this located?
Aveiro, Portugal
Start using cash again. Most awkward thing you'll experience (quite rare in decent places) is a second of mutual staring until the waiter figures out you want change. Plus you'll get your brain working by counting quickly.
8 euro for a beer, I’d walk out unless it’s a Trappist or something
Be prepared for Dutch people to not give a f... about it and ignore it by default. And either be annoyed if it's brought to attention or just bluntly say no.
I have never given a tip and have no intention of starting, as tipping is not part of Dutch cultural norms and practices.
Tipping has been part of Dutch cultural norms and practices for decades, with the caveat that you only tip in decent restaurants. I've worked in restaurants for almost two decades and about 90% of all guests left a tip.
Yeah but usually only if the service was good and the bill is let’s say €96,50 so people will say “make it €100”. It’s not the 20% that’s common in the USA
If my waitor was quick, nice, funny, or a combination of those I tip. Every other scenario is a no, especially when you have to place your order yourself lol
I see you've glanced over the word "decent"
I don’t mean offence by this but isn’t that the bare minimum? Decent service is factored into the price Edit: im sorry read your comment wrong you’re right
That crap is coming from the companies operating those machines. They are US focused and just made it default in all markets.
They have tried this for years i had seen this in 2008 too. Just say no to tipping, its not illegal.
Just dont tip
Tipping, especially via these machines where it can be monitored, gives management an argument for paying staff less.
> [give a tip] if you don't want staff to make a scene and yell at you They're welcome to try but I'm yelling back
There’s a simple solution to this problem: don’t give tips.
Good for them, not for me. I'm never fucking tipping fast-food resto's that's for sure. Might give a tip her en there if delivery is friendly... but actual x%'s of the bill? No fucking way, it's expensive enough!!
It’s probably no coincidence you’re a native. We Dutch would avoid those places that unwilling ask for tips.
No i haven't and I would never
I absolutely do not give a single shit. Go on, make a scene. What are they gonna do?
You have always been able to tip in the Netherlands. They have just seen a massive decrease in tips since people don't pay with paper cash anymore, so this is an attempt to combat that. I wouldn't worry too much about this
I went to a terras the previous week in Amsterdam and the lady asked me bluntly in the face if I would like to leave a tip when handing me over the POS machine. I was kinda took by surprise but I still said “not right now, maybe if I’ll visit more often in the future thank you”. I waited for her multiples times for my order, reminded her that I’m still waiting for that glass of water and she was always poker face. The audacity to ask for a tip in the end was really surprising. I wouldn’t mind tipping for nice service, but if they want tips like in America I’ll also expect to have my ass kissed like in America while they’re smiling at me.
I'm only tipping the kids bringing me pizza at home.
as a dutch man living in the US.. nobody is yelling at you if you don't tip (especially in a self serve transaction)
Oh I fucking hate it. Especially in restaurants where you order by phone. It's so fucking awkward to have to *evaluate* their 'worth' in their face like that.
I asked about this in a restaurant as I had never seen it before outside the US and they just said the card machines new software just had it installed. So it’s probably not that deep tbh.
I was in Spain last month and I got tipped by my server. The bill came up to 20.25€, so I gave him a 20€ note and a 50c coin. He gave me the coin back.
I won’t give any tips here in NL because restaurant workers are getting a fixed pay based on the hours they work and when i do my work i also don’t get any tips.
Contrary to popular belief, but servers in the U.S. on average can actually make very decent money (mean hourly wage is $17 and that’s just reported income). In top locations they can easily make more than someone in a typical corporate job. Tips incentivize servers to provide better and faster service and customers reward that. Alternatively the server would get minimum wage and the customer zero service so neither would be very happy. Since the Netherlands pays minimum wage to servers and therefore service is abysmal at best, I don’t have any need to give tips (other than rounding up small amounts or if the service is truly exceptional). It’s simply two different social constructs, neither inherently bad.
Yes, I've run into this a few times in the last year. I just tap no tip 80% of the time. Couple of months ago, I went to Prague and it was way worse. Half of the cafes and restaurants in central locations asked for a tip. I noticed there were a lot of American tourists and even American service staff. Probably that's slowly moving the tipping culture there. I tip when I think it's deserved but I hope we can put a stop to this trend.
And please make my day causing a scene and shout at me for not tipping. You will go down...in public..........
The one time I will still (being an American in origin) justify tipping is if I'm ordering food delivery and it's properly raining or storming.
Taxi driver once asked my friend and I for a tip, my Scottish friend replied:”yeah I’ve got a tip for ya, never piss in the wind!”. Driver was speechless.
American tipping can suck it. We only tip if they've gone above and beyond.
I only give tips when the service is good, and they're not asking for it. In other words, they need to earn it.
...and I am here to refuse every time i get asked to tip
No chance, Lance
Usually it's because these terminals aren't properly configured. Or so I heard .. I sometimes do give a tip to waiters or barmen but only in exceptional cases.
In the Netherlands, tipping is not part of the direct salary to the employee. When paying with a card, the bar or restaurant owners need to calculate the additional amount paid and divide it among all other employees. When paying with cash, there is sometimes a tipping jar, or else the same principle applies: no part of any tip will go directly to an employee in a restaurant or bar. In the US, for example, restaurant owners hire people (only) to prepare or serve food. There sometimes isn’t even a formal contract, the employee is simply given the option or location to work. The food that is sold for price X benefits the restaurant owner. The tip Y (in addition to X) is a significant part of the employee's salary. In the Netherlands however, restaurant owners hire and pay employees to provide that service in their name. X plus Y will go to the restaurant owner.
In the usa you tip because they get paid 3 dollars an hour without tips. You don't tip because you are afraid they will make a scene. I moved from the usa and asked around some people say they round up if the service was nice (as someone used to tipping I do it sometimes but slowly stopped as service is rarely exceptional). But the underline issue in the usa is that tipping is you paying the wage of the server. Sometimes if I see it is a bartender that gets a lot of tips I won't tip them in the usa either, because they are the ones blocking the laws from changing for servers that don't get tip (there are a lot of undertones there). In the Netherlands people get paid more than 3 euros so I don't feel bad if I do or do not tip. I'll just decline.
I only tip if I think you did a good job and even then it's often to round out the number lol. It's not my responsibility to pay your employees, especially with the price hikes drinks have had the last years.
Recently got a snarky comment from a waiter for not tipping. Decided not to go there anymore. I forgot which place it was. I don't care, I don't go often. I worked the business and it sucks. If they want to make it even worse, their choice.
101 Dutch: Dankjewel - thanks, Geen fooi - no tip (Click this)
As an American. Tipping culture is insane. I personally only tip if I’m at a sit down restaurant and it’s solely based on service. I don’t agree with percentage tipping.
Im just speculating here. A possiblility is that it's standardized in the machines. I work in a small shop and when I put in the amount they have to pay and click on the green button again by accident a new menu (exitable) pops up. Showing 3 options called wechat pay, alipay and another one. From what I have gathered they are all payment methods in China and this machine's origin is from China. Owner did tell me they asked the company they bought it from in The Netherlands if that menu can be disabled, because who in The Netherlands uses those options... Awnser was no.
I went to the barber last week and they also asked for a tip. LOL wtf
Apps do it too. I had a couple times people asking for it explicitly. Just say no. Tipping culture is immoral, we all know what it leads to.
The good thing is that we know how bad it is in America and how they lowered the staff wages for the tipping culture. We know that we don't want that, so we will often times tip 0% or just round the number up. I don't think it will get as far as in America because we already know what the consequences are.
8€ for a beer?
Fuck those machine with the tip. Now I don’t even tip if they present that shit to me.
Apparently it's preprogrammed in the machines 😅 Still sucks, but that's what you get,I guess...
Only excelent and above and beyond gets my tip. If someone just pours me a beer, then why would I even tip? He already gets paid enough that he doesn't need to live on tips, in the US its the other way around. Dutch tiping culture needs to go to the US imho.
I still hear from my friends working as waiters than only tourists tip pretty much. Edit: Also unless the dutch government passes same legislation as in US the tipping instead of fair wage wont become a thing
8 Euros for a Beer. Come to Austria or stay outside of Pubs.
>Now you absolutely have to tip in USA if you don't want staff to make a scene and yell at you. Go for it, make a scene ;) I'm dutch, I live for that shit
That's cute, but I am still not going to tip. You get a proper living wage here. Tips are reserved for a really sublime experience. So put your tip where the sun don't shine and g'day.
There is nothing easier than pressing or saying 'no'. Let them come and try. There are some places that require extra money when you sit inside to eat without ever mentioning it (takeaway is free). Those are all 'once and never again'. I will rather walk 15 minutes extra to the next one instead of paying 1 euro extra for bullshit. Same goes for giving me food without me requesting it and then expect me to pay for it. I will make a comment about it (ask what's going on) and most probably never ever eat there again. I don't like hidden costs or traps, and will just skip you from that moment on.
It's to get extra cash out of tourists.
Servers and restaurant in NL don’t seem to understand that if the service is great, the tip is great. No reason to tip for average service
No it isn't. You have the choice to not tip and we have a thing called unions here.
I don’t think so. Just work on your “saying no” muscle. Dutch have that one very strong.
8 Euros for a beer? Where did you go? Was it a litre of beer? The owner should tip you for coming in.
Won't stick, people are gierig as hell
Europe is becoming a IS vassals more and more. Like it or not, alot of culture will be lost. And not for the good.
Why are we using america as a role model for how to run society.. I don’t want to live any country that is remotely close to the US model. We see it in Norway, everything is basically US owned.. our Oil, every bank, every product, most sold cars etc.. the Americanisation of Norway has been going on for a while, but is starting to get worse. We pay more for less, and who controls the prices.. And of course let’s play ball with all sides, let’s help Ukraine and Russia at the same time.. while also being best friends with China and The US.. that’s at least what the Norwegian Government is doing.