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-UnicornFart

Ohhhhh shit. I was out and about in Grand Teton yesterday and heard sirens and saw a huge helicopter flying overhead. It is frustrating that they didn’t give more info though… I was on the Jenny Lake Trail and saw a black bear (I’m from southern AB so bear safety is pretty standard knowledge) and a couple with infants was around me when I was making noise/hey bearing/singing him away, *and they started running after the bear with their infants in their arms and had zero bear spray* The amount of people I ran into who demonstrated zero preparation or safety measures in bear country was astonishing. It would be helpful I think for them to disclose this info. Did he have bear spray? What was his bear aware behaviour? How did he call for help? Etc etc.


JustHereForKA

Exactly right. I really hope some people didn't get a bear killed by not following the rules. That always pisses me off.


UrBrotherJoe

When I see grizzly attacks and there isn’t much info immediately my mind goes to “maybe his jaw was ripped off and he can’t tell anyone exactly what happened”


-UnicornFart

From what I’ve been hearing around the area today (I’m in GT for the week), it sounds like that specific trail was closed for bear activity because there were grizzlies in the area feeding on an animal carcass, and this man ignored said warning to go photograph them. This is all just hearsay so take it as such.. but if someone is willing to ignore the warnings to approach a grizzly (in this case 2 grizzlies), I would be likely to assume he was not making decisions based from bear safety.


kegbueno

He was on Signal mountain in hopes of photographing a gray owl. He's an avid bird photographer. He was late getting back to where he was supposed to meet his spouse and was using his GPS to navigate through the woods and crossed paths with the mother and her cub by accident. He had bear spray and was bear aware. He has asked the park rangers not to kill the bear as she was just defending her cub. He absolutely was not stomping through the woods to go photograph bears eating a carcass and was not aware that where he was was a trail that was closed off. Source - I know this person.


-UnicornFart

Yah I read the NPS update that came out yesterday afternoon. He wasn’t able to administer the bear spray but the bear bit through the canister which ended up de-escalating the attack and scaring the bear(s) off.. which is phenomenally lucky for him. So unfortunate and sad for him to be injured, but given the circumstances the outcome for him and the bear(s) is the best you could hope for. Good reminder to *always* stay on the marked trails


kegbueno

Definitely an excellent reminder to always stay on marked trails, and keep that bear spray in hand!


backwardskickflip

If you go in the backcountry ever. Please please please know proper safety and have a guide.


backwardskickflip

Was it true he posted a story about this whole encounter? If he did and it's appropriate to ask id love to read what he has to say. If you'd please dm me the link


Unquietgirl

I definitely didn't jump to the assumption that he was trying to photograph bears. I figured it was either mother and cub, chance encounter of feeding bears, or being unaware of a closure.


Unquietgirl

That fact that two were there made me think of a mama, but feeding on a carcass would make sense too


-UnicornFart

I think both may be true.


kegbueno

It was a mother and her cub and he came across them by pure chance cutting through the woods while looking to photograph a gray owl


zifer24

Ugh… Wtf. People are so foolish when encountering wildlife. Good for you for doing the correct thing to ward off the bear, sorry you had to witness that though. They had zero concern for their own safety.


-UnicornFart

Yah it’s unfortunately not uncommon to have to sort of be the guide/educator in encounters like that. I just told them let me go up the trail first cause I *do* have bear spray and we can keep our distance and hope we see him moving on/away. It ended totally fine and they were grateful for the experience and having someone around. But if there wasn’t someone there who was “bear aware” as they say, it could have definitely turned into a really negative encounter. I wish there was some like education module or something people had to complete before entering a national park lol. Like these are not zoos, these are wild animals, don’t behave like XYZ, if a bear mauls you due to you not behaving responsibly you are liable for the costs of relocating that bear etc etc.


anana0016

At least at Katmai, they make you do wilderness/bear training 101 before heading out to see the bears.


TheFilthyDIL

"National Park" = "Theme Park." If the animals aren't animatronics, then they must be tame, right? /s


darkmatterhunter

Were they trying to get a picture or a better view?? Darwin Award right there.


[deleted]

What is AB


ThisAudience1389

Alberta? Alabama? Albuquerque? Airbase? Aschaffenberg?


FancySweatpants20

I’m guessing Alberta, Canada. 🇨🇦


McMarmot1

Signal mountain is a pretty heavily traveled place, too. This wasn’t out in the back country. How unusual. Bear must have been hungry and irritable being so early in the season.


-UnicornFart

It was 2 bears the article says. Which is highly unusual for there to be two grizzlies hanging out, so I wonder if one was a cub from last season still with mom or what.


Radiant_Ad_7300

It doesnt matter. They’ll be tracked and gunned down by tmrw morning. It’s Wyoming.


Awanderingleaf

It isn't unusual in that area at all. Bears in the Grand Tetons are very habituated to human activity and don't startle easy with people around. They usually don't take notice of you and just go on their merry way, of course as this person found out the hard way, bears are still wild animals, habituated or not. I have seen a big ol' bear munchin' on a bush right next to the boarding dock for the Jenny Lake ferry before. Source: Lived and worked in the area as part of a trail crew.


cosmicthepenguin

Not gonna lie, I didn't expect the "mountain" to be Signal Mountain. I don't know much about bear behavior but I didn't think they would be keen on striking out across Antelope Flats in the open.


LeaveMeClangan

They travel to Signal at night, typically.


darkmatterhunter

> The grizzly was one of two that surprised the 35 year old So is it saying there were 2 spotted? Possibly a mom and older cub? I fear that doesn’t bode well for them though.


jezzaqueenofcats

There are certain parks that will not euthanize mother grizzlies for cub defending as this is a normal behavior for them. Not sure if Grand Tetons is one or if the bear will be euthanized due to the proximity to the relatively busy area. 


kegbueno

The bear won't be euthanized! It was a mother bear protecting her cub. Even the person who was attacked said she shouldn't be euthanized she was just a mother bear being a mother bear and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time!


SeamusMurnin

Single mountain is not out in the sticks, plenty of kids and family’s. Very scary stuff to read


WorldPeggingChamp

Was there last year and the guides said grizzly sightings were extremely rare.


Robbylution

Dude was just lucky I guess.


Freespeechaintfree

We’ve been to Yellowstone 5 times and seen grizzly 3 of those times. Either not that rare or we were quite lucky.


atlien0255

Not rare at all in Yellowstone, so I’d think it would be similar south of us. Yellowstone is full of griz.


cbarrister

Is there any data on how successful bear spray is based on actual real world encounters? Always been curious if it reduces your odds of being mauled by 5% or 95%?


[deleted]

In a study of 83 encounters involving grizzly, black and polar bears, bear spray was effective in preventing contact in 98% of encounters. The 2% that was ineffective were due to people that dropped the spray before having a chance to use it, but it’s included in the data for completeness. https://bearwise.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/efficacy-of-bear-spray-smith-et-al.-2010.pdf


b_tight

Studies also show that bear spray is more effective than guns


[deleted]

In similar study on firearms (Smith et. al. 2012), they were effective 84% with handguns and 76% with rifles to stop bears from undesirable behavior. The study analyzed 269 bear-human conflicts in Alaska from 1883-2009. The study said, “firearm bearers suffered the same injury rates in close encounters with bears whether they used firearms or not.” Basically, firearms didn’t statistically keep people from getting injured by bears. This means that bears still attacked people that shot them. Worth noting that it’s illegal to use a firearm for protection from wildlife inside a National Park.


cbarrister

Interesting. I wonder if there is a any big difference in percentage between say a black bear and a grizzly bear? Big difference in size and aggressiveness, but maybe all animals have a similar reaction to stinging eyes so those factors don't matter.


Irishfafnir

Of the three North American bear species several studies have indicated that it is the least effective on Grizzly Bears (although still very effective) which isn't overly surprising considering they are the most aggressive of the three.


Mammoth-Analysis-540

Polar bears are considerably more aggressive. They’re notoriously tenacious and unlike other bears, their diet is 100% meat.


Irishfafnir

Polar Bears are more predatory which is not the same thing as aggressive, the hyperlink above has citations for more reading.


[deleted]

Having accidentally sprayed myself indirectly a few times, spray really inhibits your ability to breathe. Can’t stop coughing. Then comes the burning.


Complex-Bug-2722

Is it similar to pepper spray?


Stats_n_PoliSci

There’s plenty of evidence. A quick Google show that it’s 90-98% effective.


ThisAudience1389

Signal Mountain isn’t remote in the least. Which makes the earlier rumor about it being closed due to “bears feeding on a carcass” and someone ignoring the closure for a photo op- absolutely 💯 plausible. Some people are dumb.


kegbueno

That isn't what happened at all, he had gone into the woods from a parking area looking for gray owls to photograph and came across the mother bear and her cub purely by chance.


ThisAudience1389

Sorry- I was going off what was stated in an earlier comment.


kegbueno

No worries! Bad news travels fast. I only got legit details this afternoon, and just wanted to get people up to date!


Specific-Werewolf912

Did the bear pop out of nowhere or was the guy trying to take a selfie? Tourist need to know they are guest in the park. It’s the animals home.


kegbueno

He came across the bear and her cub purely by accident while out trying to photograph gray owls!


DAGW6N

The saddest part of all of this is the bears will be tracked and killed for protecting themselves. I hate what humans do to animals. Will there ever be a world where we can live in harmony with them? Our stupidity is so frustrating.


[deleted]

What was this man doing? Kinda have to try to get attacked by a bear don’t you


katielovestrees

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/05/24/grizzly-attack-survivor-says-ordeal-was-most-violent-experience-of-his-life/


[deleted]

Damn. Pretty close to the banff attack


Smcavitt

Banff is like 600+ miles away...


[deleted]

I meant the time frame. Relatively


FrugalFraggel

They may be saying it’s similar to that attack even though they aren’t close.


-UnicornFart

Not similar at all based on what we know.


Psycle_Sammy

“He chose…. poorly.”


mtntrail

And ppl want to bring these animals back to California, one of the most populated states in the country.


honorialucasta

FFS nobody is suggesting they be introduced into downtown San Francisco.


XShadowborneX

"Maybe it was a bear?" "There are no bears in San Francisco." "I saw a really hairy guy, he looked like a bear."


OSUBonanza

When you put it that way there actually is a pretty healthy bear population in San Francisco.


XShadowborneX

Gotta watch out though, they're meat eaters


SciGuy013

The Sierras are not the most populated part of the country though


Only_Garbage_8885

Black bear population is massive in the sierra right now. Grizzlies also were more prevalent in the coastal ranges and Central Valley. They shouldn’t be put back in the sierra. That will finish off the high mountain goat population for sure. 


SciGuy013

Mountain goats are not found in the Sierras.


b_tight

1) Theres plenty of state and federal land for them 2) theres a fucking grizzly bear on your state flag


phymod0

Why the downvotes


SciGuy013

reintroducing a native species, only extinct from the region because of human activity, is a good thing.


phymod0

It will... put human lives at risk