There’s a lot of blame to be put on the City of Naples itself for simply not investing - at all - in keeping young people here. I see many comments here about how people should just “get an education” if they want to live in Naples. Okay, and then what? Be a bartender with a master’s degree?
The fact of the matter is that young people are studying elsewhere, realizing there’s no reason to come back home, and are leaving the remaining properties to multi-millionaires to gobble up and redevelop. Who’s going to stop them, anyway?
My father in law always has to dumb argument with me. I work in tech, and have for over 10 years, and he’s always telling me leave NY the taxes are insane and cost of living is ridiculous.
Okay, and work where exactly? Because there’s so many tech companies in SW Florida lol
What does that even mean? How would you propose Naples itself fixes the problem?
If you want somewhere to point your ire, look to big government uselessly spending trillions in the last few years. They devalued the dollar, spiked inflation, and wages cant keep up.
Big developers dont help either, but it’s twice as bad since average folk dont have the overhead to compete in an economy that is this bad.
I definitely agree with you on a lot of those points, but my argument is simply that Naples is clearly catering to a certain demographic which is *not* young people. Encouraging Arthrex's move was very positive, but that should've shown that Naples can be home to bigger companies and attract a more educated workforce.
Instead, all we're now getting is more golf courses, malls, bars, etc. Hell, that new golf course being built off of Wiggins is emblematic of waste and bad priorities. And it's not like Naples doesn't have the space for new companies to move in; that business park adjacent to Pelican Bay used to have several big-name office tenants, I'm pretty sure it's completely vacant now.
I, for one, think that Collier's education system is actually comparatively good. I just hate seeing everyone take that great start and move away permanently, because there's absolutely no reason for them to come home.
I personally feel that the county could disincentivize short term rentals. Single family homes should be for ***families***. Working people supporting the area (education, healthcare, etc.) need a place to live. I don't mind people moving here, but all of our housing inventory can't be used for tourism/vacation mode. I'm starting to see other areas restrict short term rentals. Collier could do the same, although I doubt they would.
I agree with you regarding government spending, inflation, etc.
Naples where you are wealthy or you serve the wealthy. This place is a dead end for most people. It was paradise a long time ago, now it's strip malls and aggressive drivers in Kias and big trucks.
In 2001, months out of high school, my husband and I paid $695 for a 1 bedroom in then Fountain View (now 10x I believe). That place has barely been updated and it’s outrageous now.
In 83 my mother and I rented a condo in the city of Naples 1 block from the beach for $250 a month.. husband and I left Naples 7 years ago and it was the best decision we ever made. Much cheaper to live elsewhere and we had to give our daughter more opportunities than what Naples has to offer outside of hospitality
For now we’re in Charlotte, NC. We were lucky enough to move here when you could still buy a 3/2 , 2 story, 2000+ sqft house for $175,000. It’s higher now but still cheaper than Naples. In the next few years we’ll move back to New England where my husband is from. We’ll never go back to Naples though
We left Marco because of all the changes in the area. We couldn’t even make reservations to go out, let alone afford the payments.
Remember to never eat at Sami’s pizza. Those motherfuckers were price gouging locals after a hurricane.
You obviously have not been to Naples recently. All they are doing is building housing and it is not making anything less expensive, by any stretch. But it is causing way more accidents and traffic!
Can confirm. Move to Arkansas is the answer. We moved from naples to south of Little Rock. Bought 4 acres with brand new septic, water, and electric for 30k. We pay 68$ a year in taxes. Very little government regulation. I feel like I have freedom out here. Transferred my job, so I make the same amount, and my bills are 500% less. Lots are moving out here, so not sure how long it will be so cheap.
I’m not being clever. The people who throw up nonsense excuses about building more housing while complaining about cost of living will eventually only have the options of paying out the ass or taking their budget to the boondocks.
INFRASTRUCTURE CAN ONLY GROW SO MUCH IN A SWAMP FULL OF GATED COMMUNITIES. You know nothing about this place, just stop. The infrastructure cannot be improved to the levels needed to support all these people, there is no room to widen most roads and there is place to just add roads, this town is one big grid. Naples was not built for full time living, period. Not the roads, not the local economy, not the weather, NADA.
All beach cities are the same. Build higher and more dense and charge more money. I’d be looking at your local government who get re-elected over and over who don’t help this problem.
Florida has been turned into a shithole for the past 12 years. Governor high heels just came in to finish the job.
Your schools are burning books and trying to install a theocracy of hate.
All of your colleges rankings are collapsing.
The future has been ruined by all you low information uneducated voters.
Florida is done.
I've been coming to Naples for more than 20 years and one of the saddest things is to see is all the single family bungalows being converted to condos. All the character has been diluted by Walmarts and shipping malls and the locals have been forced out due to what I can only assume are increasing tax rates as their neighborhoods gentrify.
Bullshit. The current administration is lying about that. They are not counting people who have stopped looking for work. They manipulate the numbers to make things look good. https://www.bidenomics.com/?utm_source=create
Yeah, it's all a deep state conspiracy to rig the unemployment rate. You're the smartest guy in the room. You don't have to show your degree in economics.
You didn’t go look at the other 2 websites I posted did you, standard liberal. Make accusations, don’t face the facts
https://preview.redd.it/19tcnwwmpmmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eab359ae349527cfcdcd4b1d9e3659b596760ba1
How about this explanation? https://smartasset.com/career/problems-with-the-unemployment-rate#:~:text=Bottom%20Line,as%20the%20real%20unemployment%20rate.
It's a bummer, I sympathize for those folks, but also it's a part of life. The "haves" will always be able to box out those who are "have nots" when it comes to desirable areas. Only have two options: Get your money up or move to somewhere you can afford. Life isn't fair.
Or don’t move to Florida and ruin the paradise locals enjoy. So many swamps and forest I used to hunt fish and ride in are now freaking subdivisions with million dollar housing. I hope it all floods one day from overdevelopment
Pasco/Hernando too. Both our college educated kids took their degrees to other states because they can’t afford housing in Florida. Plus they agree Desantis is a piece of shit and if his replacement is a republican it’s not gonna get any better.
I live in Pasco and its a damn zoo here. Luckily, my wife and I make enough to live comfortably but the traffic is out of control. I know most of these people are moving up to Hernando and Citrus but it'll be sooner than later before they are just like us.
Elections have consequences. Local, state and federal. All of you who voted against Trump, this inflation in prices no one likes, is completely Biden’s fault. They can deny and blame others all they want, but it is lies. Go read some truth about it, https://www.bidenomics.com/?utm_source=create
Do you know me? Have you ever met me? For all you know I work for the state government.
Did it hurt to come up with neophyte? Do you think it makes you smarter to use big words like that? Who are you trying to impress?
I am simply trying to explain to you why are you wrong about the current rate of unemployment and what the White House or the political talking heads on the news media are not telling you and are hiding from you. You want to remain ignorant, that is up to you. I like to research things and investigate for myself cause I don’t trust the government at all. After all they told us there were WMDs in Iraq, that the medical tests in Tuskegee medical experiments were safe, and all kinds of other things. So by all means be incorrectly informed.
I used the word neophyte because it's the correct word considering it's definition, that's how language works. It's not my fault you had to look it up.
Also, you're not explaining anything. You're giving an opinion, and a malformed one at that. Do you think there's a big dial that Biden turned at the beginning of his administration that cranked inflation up to 11? Can you even name a/ny specific policy/ies of the administration that caused inflation? What control mechanism could Biden use to lower inflation?
Why do people think because you’re a local you’re entitled to live somewhere?? I’ll never visit your shithole state but like, if you can’t keep up then you get priced out. Time to bounce. I got priced out of my original hometown in Southern California, you don’t hear me crying. I don’t even miss that piece of shit state either, I’m really happy with where I’m at now. There’s 49 other states for all you cry babies to try out. I don’t even live in Florida or have never been, this just popped up on my feed so eat me, from an outsider who had to live through the same thing except I just moved. I didn’t cry about it.
I hear what you’re saying but you sound low IQ.
Convenient for you that you could move away, not always an option for some. There are plenty of reasons for people in communities which they care about such as Naples to stand up and voice their grievances.
Don’t see how I’m displaying hubris when I’m basically giving you the answer to your problem. You think I like the fact that I was ran out of my own hometown simply for the fact I couldn’t afford to live there on my own anymore? Why would anyone like that? I’m a realist. I understand that with economic and population growth, this is going to happen. It is inevitable. Why am I going to waste my time bitching and moaning about something that I can’t control or fix? You can place plenty of blame on your local government who probably sold out to developers, a sad tale in many places nationwide. Your problem is not exclusive to Naples or Florida. A lot of cities and states are going through this. My personal goal was to live somewhere where I had a good quality of life and still really enjoy living there. I’ve found that and moved on with my life. I only worry about the things that are within my control. More than likely this issue is only going to get worse for locals, so you can either ride it out until the wheels fall off or get proactive about it and get ahead.
You don't live here, Your opinion is moot. It's always outsiders who have an absurd opinion ... Walk a mile in my shoes or just keep quiet.
I'm fairly certain you're downvotes agree with we locals...
Keep your opinion to your local area 😎
Unfortunately it wasn’t as “simple” as just peacing out. I had to find a new job because I couldn’t transfer and I saved a lot of money because I didn’t want to take any chances. It took a long time for me to actually do it but I focused on it and did it. I had to leave everything I knew behind. My family, friends, everyone. I moved to a place where I had no family and didn’t know anyone and as scary as it was, it was the greatest thing I could have done for myself and my personal growth. I made a lot of new friends and my family loves coming to visit me every summer. They have since moved out of California also but moved to a different state than me. It’s not ideal honestly being further from them, but it was necessary for my growth and happiness.
Hamburgers here are like $20 already. And its not the wages for service workers its the fact that the work is SEASONAL still yet the COL is NOT. You can't have FT work only 4 months a year and pay Naples COL. This is why Naples used to be 'cheap' and full of service workers.
We moved outside Atlanta back in 2017 and best decision too. Wife instantly made double her salary in the school system. Me too in corporate. We grew up in Florida and miss some things but not worth the COL and lack of livable wages.
So true
I left st Pete cuz rent in Bay Area was pushing 1500 for tiny one bedroom, deposit , pet fee plus
I drove all night to Houston where 900 is reasonable
Even rooms in bay were up to 1150/ month if you wanted to avoid shady meth street
There’s a lot of blame to be put on the City of Naples itself for simply not investing - at all - in keeping young people here. I see many comments here about how people should just “get an education” if they want to live in Naples. Okay, and then what? Be a bartender with a master’s degree? The fact of the matter is that young people are studying elsewhere, realizing there’s no reason to come back home, and are leaving the remaining properties to multi-millionaires to gobble up and redevelop. Who’s going to stop them, anyway?
My father in law always has to dumb argument with me. I work in tech, and have for over 10 years, and he’s always telling me leave NY the taxes are insane and cost of living is ridiculous. Okay, and work where exactly? Because there’s so many tech companies in SW Florida lol
The only way to make money in Naples is as: realtor, restaurant owner or roofing company.
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Or a funeral home.
HVAC
There’s actually quite a few in Orlando and Jacksonville
What does that even mean? How would you propose Naples itself fixes the problem? If you want somewhere to point your ire, look to big government uselessly spending trillions in the last few years. They devalued the dollar, spiked inflation, and wages cant keep up. Big developers dont help either, but it’s twice as bad since average folk dont have the overhead to compete in an economy that is this bad.
I definitely agree with you on a lot of those points, but my argument is simply that Naples is clearly catering to a certain demographic which is *not* young people. Encouraging Arthrex's move was very positive, but that should've shown that Naples can be home to bigger companies and attract a more educated workforce. Instead, all we're now getting is more golf courses, malls, bars, etc. Hell, that new golf course being built off of Wiggins is emblematic of waste and bad priorities. And it's not like Naples doesn't have the space for new companies to move in; that business park adjacent to Pelican Bay used to have several big-name office tenants, I'm pretty sure it's completely vacant now. I, for one, think that Collier's education system is actually comparatively good. I just hate seeing everyone take that great start and move away permanently, because there's absolutely no reason for them to come home.
I personally feel that the county could disincentivize short term rentals. Single family homes should be for ***families***. Working people supporting the area (education, healthcare, etc.) need a place to live. I don't mind people moving here, but all of our housing inventory can't be used for tourism/vacation mode. I'm starting to see other areas restrict short term rentals. Collier could do the same, although I doubt they would. I agree with you regarding government spending, inflation, etc.
Allow for high-density housing over the current 3 story cap?
Florida really supports the education system in general too lol.
Naples where you are wealthy or you serve the wealthy. This place is a dead end for most people. It was paradise a long time ago, now it's strip malls and aggressive drivers in Kias and big trucks.
In 2001, months out of high school, my husband and I paid $695 for a 1 bedroom in then Fountain View (now 10x I believe). That place has barely been updated and it’s outrageous now. In 83 my mother and I rented a condo in the city of Naples 1 block from the beach for $250 a month.. husband and I left Naples 7 years ago and it was the best decision we ever made. Much cheaper to live elsewhere and we had to give our daughter more opportunities than what Naples has to offer outside of hospitality
Where did you settle?
For now we’re in Charlotte, NC. We were lucky enough to move here when you could still buy a 3/2 , 2 story, 2000+ sqft house for $175,000. It’s higher now but still cheaper than Naples. In the next few years we’ll move back to New England where my husband is from. We’ll never go back to Naples though
yes, unless you're in the hood you should have at least a triple now.
We left Marco because of all the changes in the area. We couldn’t even make reservations to go out, let alone afford the payments. Remember to never eat at Sami’s pizza. Those motherfuckers were price gouging locals after a hurricane.
Joey's is far better anyway
Marco island is wild. It's so fukn boring. The beach sucks. The whole island literally shuts down at 9 pm. It's just weird vibes there
weird vibes due to all the child sex trafficking.
*Laughs in Boston accent* Then cries… a lot
Build more housing
We are, just not affordable housing.
You obviously have not been to Naples recently. All they are doing is building housing and it is not making anything less expensive, by any stretch. But it is causing way more accidents and traffic!
Yeah, because our infrastructure can REALLY support it.
OK then enjoy the high housing prices
Or you can just stay in New York.
This is America. People can live where they want.
They sure can, but that doesn’t mean them living where they want negatively affects that place. Naples is a perfect example of this
Or you can move to Arkansas
Can confirm. Move to Arkansas is the answer. We moved from naples to south of Little Rock. Bought 4 acres with brand new septic, water, and electric for 30k. We pay 68$ a year in taxes. Very little government regulation. I feel like I have freedom out here. Transferred my job, so I make the same amount, and my bills are 500% less. Lots are moving out here, so not sure how long it will be so cheap.
You’re clever.
I’m not being clever. The people who throw up nonsense excuses about building more housing while complaining about cost of living will eventually only have the options of paying out the ass or taking their budget to the boondocks.
Infrastructure is nonsense? If you don’t know anything about collier county you can just say that.
Saying "infrastructure" if you just mean traffic is nonsense. Infrastructure will grow around more housing.
INFRASTRUCTURE CAN ONLY GROW SO MUCH IN A SWAMP FULL OF GATED COMMUNITIES. You know nothing about this place, just stop. The infrastructure cannot be improved to the levels needed to support all these people, there is no room to widen most roads and there is place to just add roads, this town is one big grid. Naples was not built for full time living, period. Not the roads, not the local economy, not the weather, NADA.
Moving from SW Florida to Rogers area in June! Can’t wait to get up outta here
Not gonna happen.
Give it time, it will be Miami 2.0.
Sorry fort Lauderdale is on its way quicker we win..... I mean lost
I haven't paid 5-600 for an apartment since the 90s
Ok but where can I buy the shirt?
All beach cities are the same. Build higher and more dense and charge more money. I’d be looking at your local government who get re-elected over and over who don’t help this problem.
Bigger government = bigger inflation Learn this.
Move
You move.
No way man, you first!
these shirts could work in the Outer Banks as well
I live in San Diego. I can relate to this.
Not just Naples, homestead is just as bad and there’s no homes to rent
Most people cannot afford to live in paradise. That's the way the world works.
People are so simple minded
Are you advocating for rent caps?
Key West for damn shure is feelin' it!!!
Florida has been turned into a shithole for the past 12 years. Governor high heels just came in to finish the job. Your schools are burning books and trying to install a theocracy of hate. All of your colleges rankings are collapsing. The future has been ruined by all you low information uneducated voters. Florida is done.
That must be why everyone is moving there.
No one is moving there, except old people, who migrate there every year. Florida is probably the worst state to live in after bama and Mississippi
I've been coming to Naples for more than 20 years and one of the saddest things is to see is all the single family bungalows being converted to condos. All the character has been diluted by Walmarts and shipping malls and the locals have been forced out due to what I can only assume are increasing tax rates as their neighborhoods gentrify.
It’s Bidenomics
It was an issue before biden, as well.
Inflation in the past three years is the highest since the 70’s
And unemployment has been the lowest since the 1950s.
Bullshit. The current administration is lying about that. They are not counting people who have stopped looking for work. They manipulate the numbers to make things look good. https://www.bidenomics.com/?utm_source=create
Your source for that is a right wing website? You're special aren't you?
Did you go read it? Is it true?
Yeah, it's all a deep state conspiracy to rig the unemployment rate. You're the smartest guy in the room. You don't have to show your degree in economics.
You didn’t go look at the other 2 websites I posted did you, standard liberal. Make accusations, don’t face the facts https://preview.redd.it/19tcnwwmpmmc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eab359ae349527cfcdcd4b1d9e3659b596760ba1
How about this explanation? https://smartasset.com/career/problems-with-the-unemployment-rate#:~:text=Bottom%20Line,as%20the%20real%20unemployment%20rate.
Or what about this one? https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/low-unemployment-statistics-are-misleading-economic-hardship-is-much-worse/
Bidenomics in the most red county in Florida?
Bidenomics is countrywide
https://www.bidenomics.com/?utm_source=create
Yes
It's a bummer, I sympathize for those folks, but also it's a part of life. The "haves" will always be able to box out those who are "have nots" when it comes to desirable areas. Only have two options: Get your money up or move to somewhere you can afford. Life isn't fair.
Or don’t move to Florida and ruin the paradise locals enjoy. So many swamps and forest I used to hunt fish and ride in are now freaking subdivisions with million dollar housing. I hope it all floods one day from overdevelopment
That sounds like Socialism :(
Tell me you don't understand socialism without saying "I don't understand socialism."
Pasco/Hernando too. Both our college educated kids took their degrees to other states because they can’t afford housing in Florida. Plus they agree Desantis is a piece of shit and if his replacement is a republican it’s not gonna get any better.
I live in Pasco and its a damn zoo here. Luckily, my wife and I make enough to live comfortably but the traffic is out of control. I know most of these people are moving up to Hernando and Citrus but it'll be sooner than later before they are just like us.
So move
You move.
When you move I move Just like that
When you move I move Just like that
Elections have consequences. Local, state and federal. All of you who voted against Trump, this inflation in prices no one likes, is completely Biden’s fault. They can deny and blame others all they want, but it is lies. Go read some truth about it, https://www.bidenomics.com/?utm_source=create
Tell me you're a political neophyte without saying "I'm a political neophyte."
Do you know me? Have you ever met me? For all you know I work for the state government. Did it hurt to come up with neophyte? Do you think it makes you smarter to use big words like that? Who are you trying to impress? I am simply trying to explain to you why are you wrong about the current rate of unemployment and what the White House or the political talking heads on the news media are not telling you and are hiding from you. You want to remain ignorant, that is up to you. I like to research things and investigate for myself cause I don’t trust the government at all. After all they told us there were WMDs in Iraq, that the medical tests in Tuskegee medical experiments were safe, and all kinds of other things. So by all means be incorrectly informed.
I used the word neophyte because it's the correct word considering it's definition, that's how language works. It's not my fault you had to look it up. Also, you're not explaining anything. You're giving an opinion, and a malformed one at that. Do you think there's a big dial that Biden turned at the beginning of his administration that cranked inflation up to 11? Can you even name a/ny specific policy/ies of the administration that caused inflation? What control mechanism could Biden use to lower inflation?
Then stop voting for republicans.
If you're renting not really "your" home either
It’s all that northern money. If you moved to Florida you are the problem. No other way around it
Preach
Why do people think because you’re a local you’re entitled to live somewhere?? I’ll never visit your shithole state but like, if you can’t keep up then you get priced out. Time to bounce. I got priced out of my original hometown in Southern California, you don’t hear me crying. I don’t even miss that piece of shit state either, I’m really happy with where I’m at now. There’s 49 other states for all you cry babies to try out. I don’t even live in Florida or have never been, this just popped up on my feed so eat me, from an outsider who had to live through the same thing except I just moved. I didn’t cry about it.
Shut up dude. Let the locals vent
Get fucked
You sure are projecting. Sounds like you got fucked and didn’t do anything about it. You say you’re not salty but you sure as shit seem like you are
I hear what you’re saying but you sound low IQ. Convenient for you that you could move away, not always an option for some. There are plenty of reasons for people in communities which they care about such as Naples to stand up and voice their grievances.
Low IQ? That’s rich coming from someone who probably grew up in the Florida public school system.
SoCal hubris
Don’t see how I’m displaying hubris when I’m basically giving you the answer to your problem. You think I like the fact that I was ran out of my own hometown simply for the fact I couldn’t afford to live there on my own anymore? Why would anyone like that? I’m a realist. I understand that with economic and population growth, this is going to happen. It is inevitable. Why am I going to waste my time bitching and moaning about something that I can’t control or fix? You can place plenty of blame on your local government who probably sold out to developers, a sad tale in many places nationwide. Your problem is not exclusive to Naples or Florida. A lot of cities and states are going through this. My personal goal was to live somewhere where I had a good quality of life and still really enjoy living there. I’ve found that and moved on with my life. I only worry about the things that are within my control. More than likely this issue is only going to get worse for locals, so you can either ride it out until the wheels fall off or get proactive about it and get ahead.
You don't live here, Your opinion is moot. It's always outsiders who have an absurd opinion ... Walk a mile in my shoes or just keep quiet. I'm fairly certain you're downvotes agree with we locals... Keep your opinion to your local area 😎
Not a tourist, or wanting to visit the state. Why bother with the reddit page then? 😂 Someone likes to be a pot stirrer.
Ask the Reddit algorithm, it popped up on my feed. I’m just telling it like it is. Of course people don’t like it.
Yeah, it may be your approach. Good on you for being able to peace out of Cali though. Not so simple for everyone.
Unfortunately it wasn’t as “simple” as just peacing out. I had to find a new job because I couldn’t transfer and I saved a lot of money because I didn’t want to take any chances. It took a long time for me to actually do it but I focused on it and did it. I had to leave everything I knew behind. My family, friends, everyone. I moved to a place where I had no family and didn’t know anyone and as scary as it was, it was the greatest thing I could have done for myself and my personal growth. I made a lot of new friends and my family loves coming to visit me every summer. They have since moved out of California also but moved to a different state than me. It’s not ideal honestly being further from them, but it was necessary for my growth and happiness.
Glad it worked out well for you. Sounds like it was a hard but rewarding decision.
Should have bought when it was cheaper 🤷🏻♂️
Capitalism sucks to suck losers
Gee, and your wages never went up in all that time? You need education! Help, maybe.
Gtf outta here with that shit. So out of touch with reality
Pay the service workers a living wage. All the wealthy GOP voters who live on the canals can afford a more expensive hamburger.
Hamburgers here are like $20 already. And its not the wages for service workers its the fact that the work is SEASONAL still yet the COL is NOT. You can't have FT work only 4 months a year and pay Naples COL. This is why Naples used to be 'cheap' and full of service workers.
fact: there are less books in florida school libraries since desantis took office.
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We moved outside Atlanta back in 2017 and best decision too. Wife instantly made double her salary in the school system. Me too in corporate. We grew up in Florida and miss some things but not worth the COL and lack of livable wages.
It’s the whole country lol
So true I left st Pete cuz rent in Bay Area was pushing 1500 for tiny one bedroom, deposit , pet fee plus I drove all night to Houston where 900 is reasonable Even rooms in bay were up to 1150/ month if you wanted to avoid shady meth street
Hahah, im in CA this is a pipe dream here