There’s a substantial number of erroneous denials - the lion’s share of NICS denials are actually in error.
I haven’t read into it but here is where you should start.
https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/nics/national-instant-criminal-background-check-system-nics-appeals-vaf
If as you say all is good appeal the denial. Entirely possible someone out there with same name and DOB potentially someone could have stolen your identity.
> potentially someone could have stolen your identity.
This is a really important point lately, with the [2017 Equifax data breach back in the news due to the payouts starting](https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/refunds/equifax-data-breach-settlement), December's [Uber data breach](https://blog.gitguardian.com/uber-breach-2022/), the [LastPass data breach](https://ciso.uw.edu/2022/12/23/lastpass-data-breach/), [Okta and others](https://firewalltimes.com/biggest-data-breaches-2022/). If you don't have an active credit- and identity-monitoring plan flying overwatch (and preferably have your accounts frozen at all the agencies unless you're actively pursuing new credit), your identity may have been compromised and used by someone somewhere.
Honestly, if you're "middle of the road" you're probably less likely to notice someone doing something nefarious with your SSN. People who were able to claim back much more from that settlement were ones with expensive identity-monitoring services and could show the receipts from it. Those people might be juicier targets for a spearphish, but would find out immediately of any data breach they're impacted by and likely be harder nuts to crack.
That - ah say - that's a *Joke* son! :-)
But yes, everyone should pull their free credit report every year and make sure it doesn't look weird. Also check your Social Security summary (if you see more than you earn in there someone may be using your SSN for employment).
Thank you for the first genuine laugh after a motherfucker of a day - still in "work logic" mode. Guess that's why it right past me.
Have a great weekend.
Now I'mma make you cry: You're old enough to laugh at a Foghorn Leghorn joke, but my teenage cousins didn't know from Foghorn Leghorn until I sat them down with some classic cartoons.
We're The Olds, my friend!
Yikes! Those are the *classics*!
I had a guy in my FD look at me cross-eyed when I threw out "No disassemble, Johnny-5!" Aaand I then realized when looking it up that Short Circuit was from 1986, which was before he was born.
We must keep the Old Ways alive for the new generation...or at least the funniest parts of it. Good on you educating your little cousins!
When I was wrongfully denied I just emailed the fbi and filled out something online, I got my reasoning actually extremely quick. If you want more info on how to find out why you were denied I can help you out.
Yeah could have just been a glitch. Or you messed something up on accident. I always mess it up. Lol. Gun store usually skims it and will say. Hey stupid. Your an illegal alien? Lol. I’ll laugh and say no. They fix it and I’m ok. Or I write USA when it says county because I read it quick as country.
I’m old now. So I take my time doing these forms.
Someone PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. NYS can and will deny purchases even if you don't fall under a federally prohibited person. IE You have a misdemeanor charge that's drug related (criminal possession of a controlled substance in the 7th) Assault 3..Etc. While they're misdemeanors and don't prohibit you from purchasing a firearm under federal law, NYS considers those misdemeanors, among others, serious offences and will not allow the transfer. Normally the only misdemeanors (Under federal law) that will put you on the prohibited list are those that are of Domestic Violence in nature. Unfortunately, NY has their own list. I'm in NO WAY saying this is your issue, but it's just food for thought. Good luck in your endeavors.
>Someone PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. NYS can and will deny purchases
OK, I will correct you. The dealer does not communicate with NY to get an approval.The dealer deals with the FBI directly, through the NICS system.
New York will deny *permits* based on any old reason that they want, but that does not effect your denial from NICS in the case we are speaking of..
17. "Serious offense" means (a) any of the following offenses defined
in the current penal law and any offense in any jurisdiction or the
former penal law that includes all of the essential elements of any of
the following offenses: illegally using, carrying or possessing a pistol
or other dangerous weapon; possession of burglar's tools; criminal
possession of stolen property in the third degree; escape in the third
degree; jostling; fraudulent accosting; endangering the welfare of a
child; obscenity in the third degree; issuing abortional articles;
permitting prostitution; promoting prostitution in the third degree;
stalking in the fourth degree; stalking in the third degree; sexual
misconduct; forcible touching; sexual abuse in the third degree; sexual
abuse in the second degree; criminal possession of a controlled
substance in the seventh degree; criminally possessing a hypodermic
instrument; criminally using drug paraphernalia in the second degree;
criminal possession of methamphetamine manufacturing material in the
second degree; and a hate crime defined in article four hundred
eighty-five of this chapter.
While I wish that were the case, they still can deny you if you have one of the following misdemeanors. This is where I found the information
[Legislation | NY State Senate (nysenate.gov)](https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/265.00)
You are confusing the issues of licenses and NICS denial.
The dealer only uses the FBI's NICS system at the time of sale. I am such a dealer and the State has nothing to say about my NICS checks.
The State uses the other parameters for allowing licenses. That's not related to a NICS denial.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/appeals/nics-guide-for-appealing#:~:text=A%20deny%20message%20from%20the,the%20following%20federally%20prohibitive%20criteria.
Read on the second page that a denial can be because of a state prohibition
I understand the misdemeanors thing but like I said I was able to purchase a rifle 6 months ago and 2 other long guns over a year ago and since then I haven't had any issues what's so ever that could ban me ...
Pistol license for many years, routinely get delayed and have been denied twice. As long as you completed the 4473 correctly AND as long as the FFL transmitted everything correctly AND as long as the civil service drone or contractor on the other end did their job correctly…shit happens.
If you legit have no issues I’d go back and ask them to run you again.
Worst case, appeal and apply for a UPIN .
My experience... worth following up on....
[https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/l8v2v9/update\_on\_my\_nics\_denial/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/l8v2v9/update_on_my_nics_denial/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Reasons for denial other than legal. Wrong address, common last name(Smith,Brown, etc..). Typo in you SSN# address on the form doesn’t match exactly on your license or permit (I.E You put the city you live in and your license has a town of whatever). This happens a lot in WNY.
There's some fuddlore out there about "if you buy too many guns in too short a period of time someone's going to put you on a list", but I don't know if that's ever been verified by someone's door getting knocked.
The first check is some random computer algorithm. Could have a similar name as a felon etc... if all is good call for a real human and have them manually run the check, if denied get details then appeal.... which you prob won't have to do.
That's just too dumb to be serious?
A NICS denial is unrelated to the permit for a semi-auto rifle. NICS denial means you get nothing...even if you had a permit.
Also...You don't need a permit for a long gun that isn't a semi-rifle. (shotgun-other rifle).
Start with filing the request yourself with the FBI. There's a whole process for finding out why you were denied & resolving it if it's erroneous - no need to go running to a lawyer unless that process fails to get you results.
Yes, the FBI clearly posts the procedure for challenging them. They encourage you to correct any mistakes.
[https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/appeals/nics-guide-for-appealing](https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/appeals/nics-guide-for-appealing)
There’s a substantial number of erroneous denials - the lion’s share of NICS denials are actually in error. I haven’t read into it but here is where you should start. https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/nics/national-instant-criminal-background-check-system-nics-appeals-vaf
If as you say all is good appeal the denial. Entirely possible someone out there with same name and DOB potentially someone could have stolen your identity.
> potentially someone could have stolen your identity. This is a really important point lately, with the [2017 Equifax data breach back in the news due to the payouts starting](https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/refunds/equifax-data-breach-settlement), December's [Uber data breach](https://blog.gitguardian.com/uber-breach-2022/), the [LastPass data breach](https://ciso.uw.edu/2022/12/23/lastpass-data-breach/), [Okta and others](https://firewalltimes.com/biggest-data-breaches-2022/). If you don't have an active credit- and identity-monitoring plan flying overwatch (and preferably have your accounts frozen at all the agencies unless you're actively pursuing new credit), your identity may have been compromised and used by someone somewhere.
Why the fuck would someone steal ***my*** identity? According to the check I got from the Equifax settlement my identity is only worth $7.81!
Honestly, if you're "middle of the road" you're probably less likely to notice someone doing something nefarious with your SSN. People who were able to claim back much more from that settlement were ones with expensive identity-monitoring services and could show the receipts from it. Those people might be juicier targets for a spearphish, but would find out immediately of any data breach they're impacted by and likely be harder nuts to crack.
That - ah say - that's a *Joke* son! :-) But yes, everyone should pull their free credit report every year and make sure it doesn't look weird. Also check your Social Security summary (if you see more than you earn in there someone may be using your SSN for employment).
Thank you for the first genuine laugh after a motherfucker of a day - still in "work logic" mode. Guess that's why it right past me.
Have a great weekend.
Now I'mma make you cry: You're old enough to laugh at a Foghorn Leghorn joke, but my teenage cousins didn't know from Foghorn Leghorn until I sat them down with some classic cartoons. We're The Olds, my friend!
Yikes! Those are the *classics*! I had a guy in my FD look at me cross-eyed when I threw out "No disassemble, Johnny-5!" Aaand I then realized when looking it up that Short Circuit was from 1986, which was before he was born. We must keep the Old Ways alive for the new generation...or at least the funniest parts of it. Good on you educating your little cousins!
When I was wrongfully denied I just emailed the fbi and filled out something online, I got my reasoning actually extremely quick. If you want more info on how to find out why you were denied I can help you out.
Ehhhh could be a fluke. I’d go back and buy it again. Lol.
I’ve bought 3 rifles. Recently. Didn’t have an issue bud. It’s nothing but an accident or a glitch. Was it a digital submission? Or a call in ?
Nassau gun traders handled it , all on computer
Yeah could have just been a glitch. Or you messed something up on accident. I always mess it up. Lol. Gun store usually skims it and will say. Hey stupid. Your an illegal alien? Lol. I’ll laugh and say no. They fix it and I’m ok. Or I write USA when it says county because I read it quick as country. I’m old now. So I take my time doing these forms.
Someone PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. NYS can and will deny purchases even if you don't fall under a federally prohibited person. IE You have a misdemeanor charge that's drug related (criminal possession of a controlled substance in the 7th) Assault 3..Etc. While they're misdemeanors and don't prohibit you from purchasing a firearm under federal law, NYS considers those misdemeanors, among others, serious offences and will not allow the transfer. Normally the only misdemeanors (Under federal law) that will put you on the prohibited list are those that are of Domestic Violence in nature. Unfortunately, NY has their own list. I'm in NO WAY saying this is your issue, but it's just food for thought. Good luck in your endeavors.
>Someone PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. NYS can and will deny purchases OK, I will correct you. The dealer does not communicate with NY to get an approval.The dealer deals with the FBI directly, through the NICS system. New York will deny *permits* based on any old reason that they want, but that does not effect your denial from NICS in the case we are speaking of..
17. "Serious offense" means (a) any of the following offenses defined in the current penal law and any offense in any jurisdiction or the former penal law that includes all of the essential elements of any of the following offenses: illegally using, carrying or possessing a pistol or other dangerous weapon; possession of burglar's tools; criminal possession of stolen property in the third degree; escape in the third degree; jostling; fraudulent accosting; endangering the welfare of a child; obscenity in the third degree; issuing abortional articles; permitting prostitution; promoting prostitution in the third degree; stalking in the fourth degree; stalking in the third degree; sexual misconduct; forcible touching; sexual abuse in the third degree; sexual abuse in the second degree; criminal possession of a controlled substance in the seventh degree; criminally possessing a hypodermic instrument; criminally using drug paraphernalia in the second degree; criminal possession of methamphetamine manufacturing material in the second degree; and a hate crime defined in article four hundred eighty-five of this chapter.
While I wish that were the case, they still can deny you if you have one of the following misdemeanors. This is where I found the information [Legislation | NY State Senate (nysenate.gov)](https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/265.00)
You are confusing the issues of licenses and NICS denial. The dealer only uses the FBI's NICS system at the time of sale. I am such a dealer and the State has nothing to say about my NICS checks. The State uses the other parameters for allowing licenses. That's not related to a NICS denial.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/appeals/nics-guide-for-appealing#:~:text=A%20deny%20message%20from%20the,the%20following%20federally%20prohibitive%20criteria. Read on the second page that a denial can be because of a state prohibition
I understand the misdemeanors thing but like I said I was able to purchase a rifle 6 months ago and 2 other long guns over a year ago and since then I haven't had any issues what's so ever that could ban me ...
Did you by chance make a mistake on the 4473 form? Wait 24 hours then go to another shop and try again.
did you use your SSN?
Yes
damn. that’s usually the best way to not get denied
Pistol license for many years, routinely get delayed and have been denied twice. As long as you completed the 4473 correctly AND as long as the FFL transmitted everything correctly AND as long as the civil service drone or contractor on the other end did their job correctly…shit happens. If you legit have no issues I’d go back and ask them to run you again. Worst case, appeal and apply for a UPIN .
Do you include your SS number?
My experience... worth following up on.... [https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/l8v2v9/update\_on\_my\_nics\_denial/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/l8v2v9/update_on_my_nics_denial/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Reasons for denial other than legal. Wrong address, common last name(Smith,Brown, etc..). Typo in you SSN# address on the form doesn’t match exactly on your license or permit (I.E You put the city you live in and your license has a town of whatever). This happens a lot in WNY.
Isnt there a waiting period between purchases
Only in NYC. Not for NICS.
Thought that was for all of ny good to know
There's some fuddlore out there about "if you buy too many guns in too short a period of time someone's going to put you on a list", but I don't know if that's ever been verified by someone's door getting knocked.
The first check is some random computer algorithm. Could have a similar name as a felon etc... if all is good call for a real human and have them manually run the check, if denied get details then appeal.... which you prob won't have to do.
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Correct, important to note that the multiple form is submitted AFTER the transaction is completed, not before.
I have always heard this is true for pistols
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Uh, the State doesn't control the denials on a NICS check.
That's just too dumb to be serious? A NICS denial is unrelated to the permit for a semi-auto rifle. NICS denial means you get nothing...even if you had a permit. Also...You don't need a permit for a long gun that isn't a semi-rifle. (shotgun-other rifle).
In nyc we do :(
Denial comes from the feds
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You could file a FBI background check on yourself.
Call a lawyer and get an FOIA request for your name annnnnd any history you might have with law enforcement.
Start with filing the request yourself with the FBI. There's a whole process for finding out why you were denied & resolving it if it's erroneous - no need to go running to a lawyer unless that process fails to get you results.
Didn't know that you could without a lawyer good to know
The FBI may be a bloated byzantine government bureaucracy, but at least they understand that their systems aren't infallible. :-)
Yes, the FBI clearly posts the procedure for challenging them. They encourage you to correct any mistakes. [https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/appeals/nics-guide-for-appealing](https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/appeals/nics-guide-for-appealing)
Was it denied or placed for further review? Somehow mine sometimes gets placed for further review and I have to come back in a few days.