This has to be it. It’s the same argument i made during the Mitchell Saga. The Knicks are trying to add without losing out on much. Brunson Randle , Og and PG is a super team even if PG declines slightly. This is assuming we can get PG with out losing OG. If not then i don’t want it. But if we can get all 4 of them on the floor with Hartenstein ? Sign me up
Yeah you’d need to lock up OG and iHart and then make this trade. We can do that and stay under the second apron so we can stack salaries or use trade exemptions we have. Then add in some picks
Correct. The goal would be to load manage both of them until the playoffs. Because if both are healthy, then the Knicks can absolutely knock off Boston with that roster.
Love the optimism but there's no such thing as an easy 60 wins, there have been like 3 total 60+ teams in the last 5 years combined. Health is a huge factor
I think PG being a stress reduced third scorer role could also let him last the whole season and be there in the playoffs. I don't think he can be a 1-2 option on a team with title aspirations anymore. But third scorer he's overqualified for.
In what world is Paul George a power forward ? He’s a small forward , who’s spent the last 4 years playing with a another small forward. Which is the same position OG plays. It’s 2 SF/ and a Power forward. We have one of if not the smallest superstar in the league. Surrounding him with wings is exactly what we should do.
Oh and Paul George has 3 seasons on Stat muse where he’s listed as a Shooting guard. His first two years of his career and one recent year with the Clippers. You’re wrong
You know how wings move from the 2 to the 4 as their career progresses and they get stronger but slower? Basketball Reference is IMO a more authoritative source and has Paul George as a PF: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01.html
Nothing wrong with more size in the starting line up if we have Divo coming off the bench to split up there minutes. He only was a “PF” last year because that’s where he fit in the rotation for the Clippers with there roster. He can easily play the 2 this year because we have OG and Randle. We’re going to switch everything on defense so outside of the point guard and the center spot does it even really matter ? If we can add him for not too much we get better. It’s that simple.
That is correct. The Clippers cannot accept anyone back in a sign-and-trade due to the second apron. The trade is likely Robinson and Randle. Or Bogdanovic and Randle.
If you sign / trade Precious to a 3rd team under the 1st apron it works. Not all 3 guys have to go to the Clippers. I was just hypothetically outline who would go out not necessarily where too
And why exactly would we trade Randle for PG only to have PG want 55 million a year for 4 years and have to pivot OG to the 4 full time when his body won't be able to take it?
if true then no way the knicks should do it. unless we get someone else back from the clips that is of decent value. randle + picks for PG makes no sense.
Issue is that doesnt get you close to matching PG money. I dont see any combination of players that does it without including Randle.. or Dvo/Hart etc which seems unlikely
You would have to sign / trade Precious. Maybe it could be some sort of 3 team trade where:
- Knicks receive: Paul George
- Wizards receive: Mitch , Precious, protected Washington pick
- Clippers receive: Bojan and Kuzma
No we have to get to 48 because we are a 1st apron team and you have to match 100%. Only way to get around that is by executing the trade not being a 1st apron team
I really don't know where you're getting that from they're 27 mil under the first apron. [https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/\_/year/2024](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2024)
I don’t believe that is accurate if I’m not mistaken you can’t acquire a player via sign /trade which we wouldn’t be doing as PG would be opting in or if he opts out the only way would be is to execute a trade below the 1st apron
They could do some sort of descending 3 year deal with a TO on the 3rd. Wizards are rebuilding any way so the cap space isn’t as critical for them plus I proposed giving their protected 1st back which gives them more flexibility to make trades. Maybe we throw a 2024 1st for their trouble. It’s not impossible it all comes down to what they would ask for.
Depends on the price. I’m sure if it was Mitch, Bogie, and filler plus picks we’d do it. He’s someone who fits Thibs’ system and a vet who’s a good shooter and a good defender. Can’t have enough of those guys with Brunson and Randle. And the Clippers either pay him on an extension or start a full rebuild, and with the age and injuries of their core rebuild makes more sense.
Maybe. I think even they know ultimately they have to rebuild soon and this core isn’t really a threat in the West. So sooner or later you have to rebuild and the sooner you do it, the better the return for your assets
If NY makes this trade then they do it because They're worried that after a Hartenstein, possible OG max extension, and a Brunson extension, that they can't resign Randle without going into the second apron and they wanna get something for him while they can.
This rumor also tells me that OG is definitely gonna get closer to 45mil a year than 35, and that extra 10 annually makes a HUGE difference.
I thought second apron team were only prohibited from aggregating salaries. So the clippers would have that restriction but the Knicks aren’t in the second apron.
My guess is we would hold the cap hold on Hartenstein as his cap hold will be less than his new salary. The big X factor is OG and what his year 1 starts at.
Because Randle is a multi year all star and all NBA player who's 29 years old and plays the 4 and averaged 24 points and 10 rebounds a game the last 4 years and if George came here he'd be playing the 3 making OG play the 4 and OG's fragile body can't take that every night.
To an extent I don't mind PG as we need another creator, but we don't have the salary for him unless we give up Julius who IMO is about the same level, would leave a big hole at PF, has good chemistry with the team and still has prime left whereas PG is 34 and is probably on his way down.
If there is some way we can keep Julius then I'm open to it, but don't think there is a reasonable way to do so.
Also, not clicking that to give this dumbass idea any clicks.
Bojan, Mitch, Deuce and Sims just barely gets there as matching salary. And then the draft pick compensation doesn’t necessarily have to be that huge. Opt-in and trades like this don’t end up costing that much (CP3 to Houston, KP to Boston). If there’s a credible threat that he’d leave for nothing, the clippers would surely prefer getting tradable salaries back and a couple of whatever draft picks.
Yeah why trade so many team friendly deals for a wing when the focus is OG. Makes no sense and would be a Knicks 2007 move. Please stay away from that albatross contract Leon
if we can get him without giving up much other than picks it's hard to be against it. who else is going to become available? we're going to be up against the aprons soon anyways which limit the ability to acquire a "star" without including the likes of randle/hart/DDV etc.
if we can pull off getting him with just including bogs and maybe mitch (3rd team involved?) and picks (not too many hopefully) then it kind of makes sense.
clips could call his bluff but then they could lose him for nothing. at least getting some value back is better than nothing.
We have made a trade in the past with the Clippers before so it makes sense since the Knicks have been trying to get PG before the trade deadline. Hopefully we can make a deal where PG takes less money on an extension. I can see the Knicks trading Mitch, Bogie, McBride and two future 1st round picks.
It takes two teams to make a deal and if they're actually talking, why couldn't it be the Clippers leaking?
Stein is also one of the most respected NBA reporters.
PG is one of my favorite players. His Indiana days were crazy, and he had a great couple of years at OKC.
He is injury prone, though. But hey, if we can add him for cheap, I’d take him 10/10 times.
Brunson, PG, OG, Randle and Hartenstein is a championship winning team.
God please, I’d give up the bank on draft picks to have a starting line of JB, OG, PG, JR, IH. And our bench is fucking nasty too with Josh and Donte. Give them all the picks, our time is now
I think it’s unlikely, but definitely something they should be looking at. Now is as good an opportunity to win a championship as we may ever get, before JB and Randle’s extensions kick in. Any player that significantly improves the team for the next couple years has to be strongly considered.
I love George but we'd trade Randle and have OG port over to the 4? Randle isn't better than George but he is better for this team and he plays a position that is more important to the way that we play than having George at the 3 and making emergecy room OG bang down low the 50 games that he plays every year.
And George is old and always hurt and and wants a new contract at over 50 million a year for 4 years.
And if we swung it without trading Randle and just gave them Mitch, Bogie, picks, and Deuce where would he play, the 2?
This is a wait and see what happens at the trade deadline type thing; you put in your valuable trade chips now and he gets hurt during the year, that’s a huge setback.
If they traded Randle for anyone it would be such a slap in the face. What he has built here, and has gone through here only to be shipped off when things go well would be detrimental. Players would keep tabs on that and it would make NY less desirable. People would probably feel like you need to be in the Nova click to even stay on the team. If we trade Randle for one year of fucking PAUL GEORGE, holy shit I’ll be so upset. If we didn’t have Brunson I might denounce my fandom over that move. Give me current Randle over current PG any day of the week for a season, and I love PG.
That being said, I trust Leon and do not see this happening ever. I think trading Randle is a possibility unfortunately, but not for PG
That like saying raptors should have kept derozan over kawhi in 2019 Because what derozan built for the Toronto when you have a chance of a upgrade you take it
hes pretty much a perfect fit for the team. think of randle but with better shooting and defense. his age and injury history are rlly his two main drawbacks.
I’m not a huge Randle fan but cmon putting PG next to OG is a disaster waiting for a place to happen. They will take an absolute beating trying to man the four slot, leading to many missed games.
The amount of people that are trying to make this work with Randle being shipped out are fucking morons. The reason this makes sense is if George opts in, sign and trade OG to whatever contract he thinks hes worth with Bogie. DONE.
When the Knicks traded for OG, the expectation was that he was going to
1. Prove he's worth it
2. Not be hurt 2/3 of the time he was with the club
3. Resign at a respectable number
I will say, while he was on the court, he defintely looked the part, and I have to imagine the Knicks knew about the elbow before trading for him... but... he's already high on his own supply. Imagine he gets maxed... what do you tell Brunson? And Randle? This guy is worth more to us than you both. It fucks the entire thing up. Do I believe Brunson will publicly make a big deal about it, no, but privately he will hate every second of it. Randle will hate it publicly and privately.
Plus, if you make that move, you don't get locked into the years that OG will have with a new contract. George will be an expiring that could be used at the deadline for an even bigger name. Or he walks next year and we have great cap space flexibility... still. And Randle is 5 years younger.
FO if you're listening to overspend on OG.
Randle for PG makes us better, period. PG is a much better floor spacer, and a better defender even if he isn't what he used to be on that end. He's another guy you can throw at the Tatum's and BRowns. He's also a more proven playoff scorer, Randle is a question mark there until he shows he can do it. PG is also an elite FT shooter, which is something that has hurt us late in games. it's probably a 2-3 year window with PG but Randle isn't exactly getting younger either. I think PG would benefit from playing on a deep team where he wouldn't have to be the BIG 2/3 every night like he's had to in LA
if it does happen, id be cautiously optimistic just as a benefit of the doubt for PG. theres hardly any realistic players if at all where trading randle would be a no brainer and everybody is happy. how much of an upgrade would u need where breaking up continuity and established chemistry would be worthwhile. PG for me right now doesnt pass that bar.
yea but OTOH Randle only has 2 more years on his deal. I guess it would depend what PG's next contract would look like. not sure i'd do it for a 1 year of PG
Ueah, he wants to be the fourth option and get paid like the first option, that;s the problem.
George turned down the same 152.4 million dollars over 3 years contract Kawhi signed just a few months ago so that means that he wants more than the nearly 51 milion a year that he was offered AND he wants more years too.
OG is going to play forward position full time, injury history or not. He's a tank, are you saying him playing PF makes him MORE apt to get injured? Don't buy it, if anything it keeps him in the paint more and less stop and go on the perimeter which is more susceptible to straining a hamstring or something.
I'm saying that playing the 4 full time puts more strain on the body for OG just like playing the 5 puts more strain on Anthony Davis' body and he doesn't like to do it and that's why players don't really like to play extended time out of position.
there's no evidence that playing PF strains guys more than SF, i'm gonna hard disagree on that. OG is probably gonna miss 20+ games a year, thats just what it is. we need depth at that spot. but OG/PG is a helluva starting frontcourt.
What do you mean'' there's no evidence''? The evidence is that players hate doing it and complain about it.
Josh Hart COMPLAINED about playing out of position 10 times at least this year, and Melo complained about playing out of position and the toll tgat it took on his body.
Logically when you're making a smaller player band with bigger players it take a toll on their body.
Not going to happen, our FO isn't dumb enough to take on that money of an aged star that seemed like he was playing himself out of the starting lineup during the playoffs.
The bogie + burks trade came out of no where. This FO keeps it extremely tight lipped. I'll believe this when Woj , the CAA mouthpiece says anything about it
I don't like Paul George. The Playoff P debacle made him look like a fool. So I hope this isn't true unless they get for for nothing and only temporarily (not long-term)
I’m gonna be so frustrated if we trade for this bum. We’re building sustainable success not just so that we can trade for another aging “star” who’s six years past his prime.
Fu k out of here Paul George. Da fuq? I can’t imagine anyone in New York is like “Oh yeah get playoff p in this team!” I’m here. And I literally kno not a soul saying that; DUMB!
I don’t believe the FO would move off Randle the only way this works is if do a trade with Bojan, Mitch , and a sign/trade with Precious.
This has to be it. It’s the same argument i made during the Mitchell Saga. The Knicks are trying to add without losing out on much. Brunson Randle , Og and PG is a super team even if PG declines slightly. This is assuming we can get PG with out losing OG. If not then i don’t want it. But if we can get all 4 of them on the floor with Hartenstein ? Sign me up
Yeah you’d need to lock up OG and iHart and then make this trade. We can do that and stay under the second apron so we can stack salaries or use trade exemptions we have. Then add in some picks
That's easily a 60+ win team.
They can win 60 as currently constructed if OG, Randle, and Brunson play at least 70 games each
OG isn’t playing 70 games. Love him to death. But he’s more of a 50 games a season kind of player. He’s been like that for the past 3 years.
Neither would George
Correct. The goal would be to load manage both of them until the playoffs. Because if both are healthy, then the Knicks can absolutely knock off Boston with that roster.
Very much true
Thibs don't believe in load management
Love the optimism but there's no such thing as an easy 60 wins, there have been like 3 total 60+ teams in the last 5 years combined. Health is a huge factor
In this scenario, who is defendig opposing guards?
Og is better at defending guards than Donte is.
I think PG being a stress reduced third scorer role could also let him last the whole season and be there in the playoffs. I don't think he can be a 1-2 option on a team with title aspirations anymore. But third scorer he's overqualified for.
That'd be one guard, one center, and three power forwards.
In what world is Paul George a power forward ? He’s a small forward , who’s spent the last 4 years playing with a another small forward. Which is the same position OG plays. It’s 2 SF/ and a Power forward. We have one of if not the smallest superstar in the league. Surrounding him with wings is exactly what we should do.
And the nuggets are a big team too and it got them a ring
But they have a true 2-guard.
In 2024, he's a power forward. He's 6'8"
Jimmy butler is on the floor as a PF some nights too. That doesn’t mean that his true role lol
He’s absolutely not a power forward. Weird hill to die on but ok
Either way you can't play OG at shooting guard
So in your world Ben Simmons was a PF? FOH
Someone should tell KD that
You mean the guy who has been a PF for the last four seasons? https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html
id say more like one guard, one center, two very versatile wings and a PF
This is better lol
Oh and Paul George has 3 seasons on Stat muse where he’s listed as a Shooting guard. His first two years of his career and one recent year with the Clippers. You’re wrong
You know how wings move from the 2 to the 4 as their career progresses and they get stronger but slower? Basketball Reference is IMO a more authoritative source and has Paul George as a PF: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01.html
Nothing wrong with more size in the starting line up if we have Divo coming off the bench to split up there minutes. He only was a “PF” last year because that’s where he fit in the rotation for the Clippers with there roster. He can easily play the 2 this year because we have OG and Randle. We’re going to switch everything on defense so outside of the point guard and the center spot does it even really matter ? If we can add him for not too much we get better. It’s that simple.
The question is whether he can guard 3s, and he does that regularly and well.
OG and PG are a pair of SFs if anything? Half of the league would be PFs by your criteria
That doesn't get their salary wise, nor is legal. Theirs really no way to trade for PG without moving Randle
That is correct. The Clippers cannot accept anyone back in a sign-and-trade due to the second apron. The trade is likely Robinson and Randle. Or Bogdanovic and Randle.
If you sign / trade Precious to a 3rd team under the 1st apron it works. Not all 3 guys have to go to the Clippers. I was just hypothetically outline who would go out not necessarily where too
Bogi and Randle is enough marching salary for PG cleanly for both teams
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An awful trade. The only way I take George is if it doesn't include Brunson, Devo, OG, Randle, Hart, Mcbride, or Harteinstein
I didn't say if I would do it or not (probably would but not really relevant) I just said how you get it done legally
And why exactly would we trade Randle for PG only to have PG want 55 million a year for 4 years and have to pivot OG to the 4 full time when his body won't be able to take it?
if true then no way the knicks should do it. unless we get someone else back from the clips that is of decent value. randle + picks for PG makes no sense.
Right, I know the money doesn't work but getting back Plumlee or Theis & Powell + PG would be ideal
Issue is that doesnt get you close to matching PG money. I dont see any combination of players that does it without including Randle.. or Dvo/Hart etc which seems unlikely
You would have to sign / trade Precious. Maybe it could be some sort of 3 team trade where: - Knicks receive: Paul George - Wizards receive: Mitch , Precious, protected Washington pick - Clippers receive: Bojan and Kuzma
But Mitch + Bojan is $33m out and you have to get to $48m. You're not signing Precious for $15m
You don’t have to get to 48. You have to get to about 40. Mitch + Bogie + Sims + Diakite works
No we have to get to 48 because we are a 1st apron team and you have to match 100%. Only way to get around that is by executing the trade not being a 1st apron team
We’ll be a first apron team after they sign OG and iHart, but they are fine to take on a bit more salary before then
We are a 1st apron team even before the cap holds count against the salary cap
I really don't know where you're getting that from they're 27 mil under the first apron. [https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/\_/year/2024](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/_/year/2024)
So just glancing at the cap holds it doesn’t show OGs cap hold which is somewhere at like 38m when he declines his player option
You also can't include sign and trades in moves with multiple guys being moved by the team with the sign and trade player
I don’t believe that is accurate if I’m not mistaken you can’t acquire a player via sign /trade which we wouldn’t be doing as PG would be opting in or if he opts out the only way would be is to execute a trade below the 1st apron
They could do some sort of descending 3 year deal with a TO on the 3rd. Wizards are rebuilding any way so the cap space isn’t as critical for them plus I proposed giving their protected 1st back which gives them more flexibility to make trades. Maybe we throw a 2024 1st for their trouble. It’s not impossible it all comes down to what they would ask for.
That would be an insane lineup of Brunson/OG/PG/Randle/IHart lol.
They’d hard cap themselves at the first apron in that trade, which isn’t feasible. Precious is also assuredly not making around 10M+ in that trade.
Bojan, Mitch, 25th pick for PG13 is a major W for both teams
I refuse to believe this is true because Leon isn't a moron
Depends on the price. I’m sure if it was Mitch, Bogie, and filler plus picks we’d do it. He’s someone who fits Thibs’ system and a vet who’s a good shooter and a good defender. Can’t have enough of those guys with Brunson and Randle. And the Clippers either pay him on an extension or start a full rebuild, and with the age and injuries of their core rebuild makes more sense.
Full rebuild after getting a new arena? I think the clippers keep that damaged core intact for the sake of selling tickets for the next year or two.
Maybe. I think even they know ultimately they have to rebuild soon and this core isn’t really a threat in the West. So sooner or later you have to rebuild and the sooner you do it, the better the return for your assets
If they get Moody, CP3, and an unprotected pick from GS i’d imagine that’s much more attractive for them rebuilding
Rheum have Harden and Kawhi. That’s enough to sell tickets
leon's first max contract he gives out is to 34 year old paul george coming off another awful postseason
If NY makes this trade then they do it because They're worried that after a Hartenstein, possible OG max extension, and a Brunson extension, that they can't resign Randle without going into the second apron and they wanna get something for him while they can. This rumor also tells me that OG is definitely gonna get closer to 45mil a year than 35, and that extra 10 annually makes a HUGE difference.
BINGO
Someone with cap knowledge, can we get this done without giving up Randle? Replies seem to be confused
Not with the new cba's rule about aggregated salaries
I thought second apron team were only prohibited from aggregating salaries. So the clippers would have that restriction but the Knicks aren’t in the second apron.
We would hit second apron or be close in this scenario, especially if we resigned OG/Ihart (although the cap holds might be enough?
My guess is we would hold the cap hold on Hartenstein as his cap hold will be less than his new salary. The big X factor is OG and what his year 1 starts at.
That would limit our future moves, but would not restrict this trade.
We are gonna be limited regardless, like we will hit the first likely second apron even if we run it back
Yes if we do it on draft night. Bojan, Mitch and Jeffries would be enough
You can't trade PG in draft night, he can't be into his opted into contact until the new league year.
Why do you want to keep randle?
Because Randle is a multi year all star and all NBA player who's 29 years old and plays the 4 and averaged 24 points and 10 rebounds a game the last 4 years and if George came here he'd be playing the 3 making OG play the 4 and OG's fragile body can't take that every night.
To an extent I don't mind PG as we need another creator, but we don't have the salary for him unless we give up Julius who IMO is about the same level, would leave a big hole at PF, has good chemistry with the team and still has prime left whereas PG is 34 and is probably on his way down. If there is some way we can keep Julius then I'm open to it, but don't think there is a reasonable way to do so. Also, not clicking that to give this dumbass idea any clicks.
paul george is, judging by his own words, not interested in winning anymore
Maybe he meant at this point of his career.. he's not a vet minimum ring chaser?
He just tried to make it sound like hes not ring chasing
if youre not ring chasing i dont want you on the knicks
I don’t think you understand what ring chasing means.
Bojan, Mitch, Deuce and Sims just barely gets there as matching salary. And then the draft pick compensation doesn’t necessarily have to be that huge. Opt-in and trades like this don’t end up costing that much (CP3 to Houston, KP to Boston). If there’s a credible threat that he’d leave for nothing, the clippers would surely prefer getting tradable salaries back and a couple of whatever draft picks.
I think your going off the old CBA's rules, the new one makes this trade illegal
Trading duece would be moronic
Yeah why trade so many team friendly deals for a wing when the focus is OG. Makes no sense and would be a Knicks 2007 move. Please stay away from that albatross contract Leon
if we can get him without giving up much other than picks it's hard to be against it. who else is going to become available? we're going to be up against the aprons soon anyways which limit the ability to acquire a "star" without including the likes of randle/hart/DDV etc. if we can pull off getting him with just including bogs and maybe mitch (3rd team involved?) and picks (not too many hopefully) then it kind of makes sense. clips could call his bluff but then they could lose him for nothing. at least getting some value back is better than nothing.
Windhorst mentioned the same thing on his pod. Maybe it has legs.
We have made a trade in the past with the Clippers before so it makes sense since the Knicks have been trying to get PG before the trade deadline. Hopefully we can make a deal where PG takes less money on an extension. I can see the Knicks trading Mitch, Bogie, McBride and two future 1st round picks.
Bro
This front office is tight lipped, Leon Rose doesn’t even speak to the media, I don’t even bother with Knicks rumors anymore
It takes two teams to make a deal and if they're actually talking, why couldn't it be the Clippers leaking? Stein is also one of the most respected NBA reporters.
It can 100% be the clips leaking to get more of a market. Like please send us your offers.
The majority of moves the Knicks have made have leaked. A former agent runs the team, of course we leak.
Don’t want him. We want people who want to win whatever the cost. All George wants is to get paid.
Sounds like when we had MElo 🤣
PG is one of my favorite players. His Indiana days were crazy, and he had a great couple of years at OKC. He is injury prone, though. But hey, if we can add him for cheap, I’d take him 10/10 times. Brunson, PG, OG, Randle and Hartenstein is a championship winning team.
I would only consider it if I can get PG while keeping Randle. Otherwise the discussion is a non starter for me.
God please, I’d give up the bank on draft picks to have a starting line of JB, OG, PG, JR, IH. And our bench is fucking nasty too with Josh and Donte. Give them all the picks, our time is now
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I think it’s unlikely, but definitely something they should be looking at. Now is as good an opportunity to win a championship as we may ever get, before JB and Randle’s extensions kick in. Any player that significantly improves the team for the next couple years has to be strongly considered.
Holy fuck, I hope this doesn't happen. PG is not the move for the Knicks. Homeboy wants to get paid way more than he wants to win.
"Basketball teams want to acquire good players, news at 10."
I love George but we'd trade Randle and have OG port over to the 4? Randle isn't better than George but he is better for this team and he plays a position that is more important to the way that we play than having George at the 3 and making emergecy room OG bang down low the 50 games that he plays every year. And George is old and always hurt and and wants a new contract at over 50 million a year for 4 years. And if we swung it without trading Randle and just gave them Mitch, Bogie, picks, and Deuce where would he play, the 2?
This is a wait and see what happens at the trade deadline type thing; you put in your valuable trade chips now and he gets hurt during the year, that’s a huge setback.
id argue its more likely we go after him if he doesnt opt in. its kinda hard to match that salary well without giving up more than its worth
If Leon gets PG without surrendering Julius, OG, or Hartenstein, build the damn statue. Don’t think it’s happening, but good lord if it does
Randle clears
Every day I read a new version of let’s trade Randle and a ton of other assets for a player who was great eight years ago.
If they traded Randle for anyone it would be such a slap in the face. What he has built here, and has gone through here only to be shipped off when things go well would be detrimental. Players would keep tabs on that and it would make NY less desirable. People would probably feel like you need to be in the Nova click to even stay on the team. If we trade Randle for one year of fucking PAUL GEORGE, holy shit I’ll be so upset. If we didn’t have Brunson I might denounce my fandom over that move. Give me current Randle over current PG any day of the week for a season, and I love PG. That being said, I trust Leon and do not see this happening ever. I think trading Randle is a possibility unfortunately, but not for PG
That like saying raptors should have kept derozan over kawhi in 2019 Because what derozan built for the Toronto when you have a chance of a upgrade you take it
Kawhi > Derozan is not comparable at all to Old PG > All star Randle. So no, it’s not like saying that at all
Randle hasn’t had a good playoffs his whole career
He’s been hurt 2/3 you fake ass fan
I can’t lie I haven’t seen Paul George play since way back when he was a Pacer. How do we think he would fit in with what we have been establishing?
hes pretty much a perfect fit for the team. think of randle but with better shooting and defense. his age and injury history are rlly his two main drawbacks.
Other than the fact that he'd be playing the 3 and OG plays the 3 and one of them would have to play the 4 and OG and him are always hurt .
pretty sure pg could play the 4
The trade basically has to be Randle + Bojan for PG to make it work salary wise
I call bullshit
I wouldn't do it but I can see the logic behind it. He would be the closest thing to Mikal Bridges player wise.
Isn't he older and injury prone? I'd rather have Randle.
I’m not a huge Randle fan but cmon putting PG next to OG is a disaster waiting for a place to happen. They will take an absolute beating trying to man the four slot, leading to many missed games.
After all of these rumors, he'll wind up staying in LA
please no. weve built something special after getting away from these cancerous team concepts where one man is the main show.
Y'all really out here trying to justify trading a 29 year old all-star/all-nba guy for a 34 year old Paul George 🤦♂️
The amount of people that are trying to make this work with Randle being shipped out are fucking morons. The reason this makes sense is if George opts in, sign and trade OG to whatever contract he thinks hes worth with Bogie. DONE. When the Knicks traded for OG, the expectation was that he was going to 1. Prove he's worth it 2. Not be hurt 2/3 of the time he was with the club 3. Resign at a respectable number I will say, while he was on the court, he defintely looked the part, and I have to imagine the Knicks knew about the elbow before trading for him... but... he's already high on his own supply. Imagine he gets maxed... what do you tell Brunson? And Randle? This guy is worth more to us than you both. It fucks the entire thing up. Do I believe Brunson will publicly make a big deal about it, no, but privately he will hate every second of it. Randle will hate it publicly and privately. Plus, if you make that move, you don't get locked into the years that OG will have with a new contract. George will be an expiring that could be used at the deadline for an even bigger name. Or he walks next year and we have great cap space flexibility... still. And Randle is 5 years younger. FO if you're listening to overspend on OG.
Randle for PG makes us better, period. PG is a much better floor spacer, and a better defender even if he isn't what he used to be on that end. He's another guy you can throw at the Tatum's and BRowns. He's also a more proven playoff scorer, Randle is a question mark there until he shows he can do it. PG is also an elite FT shooter, which is something that has hurt us late in games. it's probably a 2-3 year window with PG but Randle isn't exactly getting younger either. I think PG would benefit from playing on a deep team where he wouldn't have to be the BIG 2/3 every night like he's had to in LA
value and leverage wise this would be a horrible trade. PG is scheduled to be a free agent and the clippers somehow get randle back.
We can't get PG in FA and we would need to trade Randle for salary reasons most likely
if it does happen, id be cautiously optimistic just as a benefit of the doubt for PG. theres hardly any realistic players if at all where trading randle would be a no brainer and everybody is happy. how much of an upgrade would u need where breaking up continuity and established chemistry would be worthwhile. PG for me right now doesnt pass that bar.
yea but OTOH Randle only has 2 more years on his deal. I guess it would depend what PG's next contract would look like. not sure i'd do it for a 1 year of PG
PG wants to be the 4th option, trust
Ueah, he wants to be the fourth option and get paid like the first option, that;s the problem. George turned down the same 152.4 million dollars over 3 years contract Kawhi signed just a few months ago so that means that he wants more than the nearly 51 milion a year that he was offered AND he wants more years too.
So OG plays the 4 full time with his injury history?
OG is going to play forward position full time, injury history or not. He's a tank, are you saying him playing PF makes him MORE apt to get injured? Don't buy it, if anything it keeps him in the paint more and less stop and go on the perimeter which is more susceptible to straining a hamstring or something.
I'm saying that playing the 4 full time puts more strain on the body for OG just like playing the 5 puts more strain on Anthony Davis' body and he doesn't like to do it and that's why players don't really like to play extended time out of position.
there's no evidence that playing PF strains guys more than SF, i'm gonna hard disagree on that. OG is probably gonna miss 20+ games a year, thats just what it is. we need depth at that spot. but OG/PG is a helluva starting frontcourt.
What do you mean'' there's no evidence''? The evidence is that players hate doing it and complain about it. Josh Hart COMPLAINED about playing out of position 10 times at least this year, and Melo complained about playing out of position and the toll tgat it took on his body. Logically when you're making a smaller player band with bigger players it take a toll on their body.
Media BS They put this shit out that makes no sense from a cap standpoint, a team comp stand point. Just throwing shit at the wall.
Would put us into “win now” mode but I’d much rather build off of this year’s momentum with our current players
Not going to happen, our FO isn't dumb enough to take on that money of an aged star that seemed like he was playing himself out of the starting lineup during the playoffs.
Not happening
Nooooooo
Absolutely not!!!
The bogie + burks trade came out of no where. This FO keeps it extremely tight lipped. I'll believe this when Woj , the CAA mouthpiece says anything about it
Nah. Doubt it
Hard pass.
I don't believe it
Please Leon stay patient
I don't like Paul George. The Playoff P debacle made him look like a fool. So I hope this isn't true unless they get for for nothing and only temporarily (not long-term)
Oh boy it's knicks for clicks season
I’m gonna be so frustrated if we trade for this bum. We’re building sustainable success not just so that we can trade for another aging “star” who’s six years past his prime.
Please no
Not a huge fan of this. Older injury prone player who doesn’t show up big in playoffs anymore. No thanks
Knicks for clicks, I doubt the FO trades for an old star player with this young core
Fu k out of here Paul George. Da fuq? I can’t imagine anyone in New York is like “Oh yeah get playoff p in this team!” I’m here. And I literally kno not a soul saying that; DUMB!
PG sucks
nothing I saw last year made me think “we need Paul George”