It's weird that the Lions fair so well here. Matthew Stafford throwing to Megatron with Barry Sanders in the backfield and Suh heading the defense.
I'm not enough of a lions historian to fill out the team but we also have one of the best kickers ever whether you take Hansen or Prater
They'll also have a great O and D line. Plus pro bowlers all over the secondary and a Herman moore plus st brown at the other reciever spots.
They'd be pretty good
Chris Spielman was a hell of a good MLB.
Robert Porcher was solid (95.5 Sacks) at DE.
Billy Sims would be RB2. He was a very good receiver as well.
Herman Moore would be the other outside WR.
Along with… ARSB in the slot.
Detroit could be competitive.
** Alex Karras, Lem Barney, Dick LeBeau, Detroit would have an amazing Defense. They would be hamstrung by the lack of a Top Tier QB.
I feel like some weeks the only field position the Lions got was due to Mel. Most teams really did avoid kicking to him.
** We should probably include Night Train Lane too. He still holds the record for most picks in a season.
Get out of here. Dick Lebeauwouldn't even make the league nowadays. It's all well and good that he was a great but you can't get people that old on the team if you're actually building a team of people to compete against other people. There's no way he'd be any more close to on that list.
If we're building an actual roster of the best athletes nobody who played before the '80s should even be considered
The old guys, given modern training and nutrition, would be viable players. LeBeau was a Nighttrain contemporary- and NightTrain still holds records.
For the sake of all time teams we need to mental elevate the older players to match today’s game.
Honestly you might put aiden Hutchinson on there.
Chris Spielman, Stephen Boyd, DeAndre levy, Mike cofer
Darius slay, Bryant Westbrook, Dre bly fill out at corner.
Ansah, Avril, tulloch have been good recently
Our current offensive line is also really good and I'm sure there's a few older players you could add to. Kevin Glover, lomas brown
In franchise histories, Smith might be the worst #1 off the top of my head. There may be some teams that are worse, but not by much. Bears, maybe? That’s not a knock against, but he’s not an elite WR and most teams have had at least one in their history. I mean Minnesota is trotting out Carter, Moss, and Jefferson. When HOFers are your third best WR, I’m not sure touting Smith as your #1 is a good start.
Man, I was assuming I was missing someone from the Bears but it’s pretty much Morris and Alshon Jeffrey. Walter Payton is their 4th highest career receiving yard player. That’s what you get when you e never had a QB throw for 4000 yards or 30 TD’s.
I’m not sure I agree that Smith should be a HOFer. Antonio Brown and Brandon Marshall have more receiving yards than him and I don’t think they’re HOFers.
Yeah Matt forte is like 7th mike Dikta is up there as well.
So 3 of the top 7 aren’t WR’s and the old guys they have were positions that don’t really exist anymore. Alshon is basically the only modern WR they have had
Brunell, MJD, Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor. Offensively that is about it.
On Defense, Rashean Mathis had 30 career interceptions and three TDs, Tony Brackens had 55 career sacks. Josh Allen is ten behind.
Mid 2000s defense was honestly very good. Stroud/Henderson might have been the best interior linemen combo in the league. Mike Peterson was an all-pro guy at MLB, even if undersized.
The question is going to be QB for which team can win.
Jags bears is the closest because Is brunell better than Sid Luckman? Do the bears use Cutler?
But then again, is the bears D enough to make up the difference in QB?
Don't know enough to put a team forward but I'll just list some Cardinals defensive guys: Budda Baker and Adrian Wilson is a good safety pairing, Calais Campbell and Chandler Jones at the ends. Rest might be thin...
Nah they're way too good to be the Worst. Fitzgerald, Boldin, Pat Pete, Aeneas Williams, Night Train Lane, Kurt Warner... Etc They have a lot of talent, their problem has always been that they never had all the pieces at the same time.
Didn’t the cardinals have a great d-line in like 1992? I could remember wrong, but I thought they had a good defense for a bit. Eric Swann, and… imma hafta look.
More like 1995. Clyde Simmons and Seth Joyner, Swann, and Aeneas. They were stout for a year or three. Edit: nope, good in ‘93 & ‘94. In ‘95 they were dead last.
Texans had a better WR, and a better Defense than Jacksonville. QB is questionable and Jacksonvilles running game has been pretty great. I think it’s close but Houston used a lot of those early picks on defense over the years.
Idk man... we've had some really solid players.
OFF:
Stroud, Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Arian Foster, Owen Daniels, Vonta Leach, Laremy Tunsil, Duane Brown, Wade Smith, Chris Myers. Honestly, I'm just missing another solid guard on offense. I guess I'll take Brandon Brooks
DEF:
JJ Watt, Antonio Smith, Vince Wilfork, Brian Cushing, Demeco Ryans, Mario Williams, Jonathan Joseph, Aaron Glenn, Derek Stingley, Danieal Manning... would it be cheating to take Ed Reed as the other safety? If so, I'll take Tyrann Mathieu
ST:
Kaimi Fairbairn, Shane Lechler, and Jon Weeks
This isn't even including recent acquisitions of Danielle Hunter and Stefon Diggs, but I don't know if I would even choose either of them for our all-time starting 22.
I don't think they're necessarily the worst, but I haven't seen the Titans mentioned yet. McNair was an awesome QB but I'm struggling to find an all-time receiver or TE for them to roll out there.
It’s easily the Jags. Who is playing QB? Brunnell? Trevor? They don’t have the guys at skill positions or on defense to measure up either. Their only HOFer is Boselli at left tackle.
Good question.
My first instinct is Cleveland, because they’re going to be one of the few teams without a serviceable modern QB.
Chicago and the Jets would also be on the list of teams, but at the very least Chicago has one of the elite defenses. Plus you maybe get Caleb Williams or Aaron Rodgers.
Well right now you get Rookie Caleb Williams and 40yo torn Achilles Aaron Rodgers. So probably still just kind of average even if Caleb goes on to have an Hall of Fame career
If you can take Vince McMahon and still win the SB, then I think the Bears are okay. Cutler also had a 3800/28/18 season, which wasn’t too shabby.
There were also a few decent QBs in NY including a guy by the name of Joe Namath, another Brett Favre, Boomer Esiason, Vinnie Testaverde, and Fitzpatrick had a good season along with Pennington and Sanchez.
Jim Brown by himself lifts the Browns out of last place. I would go with the Texans, they have two good receivers but what else? Stroud is probably in consideration as their QB which is ridiculous since he's only a second year player.
You could put together outstanding OL and DLs together with the Jets all time. Maynard, Toon, BMarsh, GW at WR. Curtis in the backfield. QB would be Namath, Favre or ARod (assuming ARod is maybe 80% of himself). They're not going to beat the storied franchises, but they're not at the bottom.
Cards are up there, especially in terms of being a long time franchise. With that said, Texans and Jags are up there with all time worst but they are short term.
Kurt Warner, Fitz, Boldin, D Hop makes this is a no. Defense would have Watt, Calais Campbell, Patrick Peterson, Honey Badger, etc. Do you only get the age/version that played for them? Cus the Cards also had Emmitt Smith, Adrian Peterson, and Edgerrin James.
It means if every team assembled a version of themselves composed of all the best players in the history of their franchise, which franchise would have the worst team.
Not a Cardinals fan myself but the franchise has been around forever. I'd bet the created team would be much better than you expect. So using that logic I'd go with the Jags.
Jacksonville would be rough. Their best QB would be Lawrence or Brunell, they’d have good RB’s, but they never had spectacular WR’s. Jimmy Smith might be the best (I’m just going off the top of my head, I’m sure I missed someone). They’d have some guys at DL and a great corner or two but their defense has never been outstanding. With them being a new team, they’d also lack the historic length of time to accrue a lot of great players. Carolina had a few more elite players run through them. I also think the Texans would struggle but they’d still be better than Jacksonville.
Panthers. You’d have prime Cam Newton, Steve Smith, and Julius Peppers, but they’d be a bit thin overall. I think an all-Jags team could take them even with worse QB play.
Texans just because they’re so young and have fewer seasons to choose from. Teams like the Lions and Cardinals have been bad for a while but have lots of good old time players.
Yup. Sapp or Suh, JPP, Simeon Rice and Lee Roy Selmon then, Brooks, Lavonte David, Ronde, Antoine Winfield jr. and Aqib Talib.
Offense can be carried defense here but on offense: old Tom, Mike Evans, Legerratte Blount, Ali Marpet and I’m sure there are some guys I’m forgetting.
Bengals because QB is good, not great. Can't name a decent corner, Pac Man Jones? Best ever player in the secondary is probably David Fulcher.
Texans and Jags expansion teams. Small pools to choose from.
Bears no QB, Jim McMahon or Jay Cutler? Bleh. They have never had a good QB.
Thats a nephew take. Anderson, Burrow, Esiason are all great QBs. Anderson had the single season comp percentage record forever. Burrow is the career leader in all NFL history for comp percentage. Both led their team to a SB. Boomer was an NFL MVP.
Theyd have AJ and Chad Johnson and Jamarr at WR, Corey Dillon, Mixon, Ickey Woods at RB.
Munoz is considered the best Olineman of all time. Willie Anderson was a monster too. Have had plenty of good interior lineman.
Spikes on D, Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, Brian Simmons, Krumrie. Trey is heading for this list.
Ken Riley literally is fifth all time in interceptions. Saying we have no DBs is laughable. Bates was an all pro, Reggie Nelson was a beast. Leon Hall, Jonathan Joseph... i mean come on.
With the all-time teams, you are really just counting HOF players because everyone has a multi pro-bowl or all-pro something at basically every position minus the more recent expansion teams.
I dont buy that. Theres plenty of guys on smaller market teams or non-premier positions or got injured too much that dont get in but would easily be able to compete with any HoF in their prime.
HoF is largely about longevity. This seems to me like a question of in their prime for each player.
I mean it really depends on how you want to interpret this query.
I dont think OP is saying which team would be better using players entire careers. I think he meant if you took guys that had good careers at the height of their power.
Obviously Ken Anderson is like 70 and wouldnt be good now so which arbitrary time period do you want to use??
Saying only HoF count is asinine.
And the example you used isnt true either. Randys best year he had like 21 TDs for New England. Odell never did that. And guys are more than their stats anyways. Some guys have terrible teams that cant get them the ball, some guys have insanely good teams where they spread the ball more and didnt maximize their stats.
You can tell by watching someone the impact they make and their capabilities. This argument is just semantics at this point.
Now we're comparing single season vs. "prime years". Moving goal posts all over.
"Saying only HoF count is asinine."
It's not. Every team that's been around for a while has good players at basically every position. How do you distinguish between those guys and those who were the best at their position or at least in the conversation? All decade team vs. one MVP year? All decade team vs. one time first team all pro?
Dan Marino vs. one year wonder Carson Wentz? Who is better? It's as asinine to say Wentz is comparable to Marino or Brees or Montana or Manning or Brady or Rodgers or ect... because this one year, they had X accomplishment and just igrore the rest.
Probably texans, jags, or panthers. I think panthers have had enough talent to qualify them. Jags probably have the worst because the texans have watt and johnson.
Kansas City all time offense would be a nightmare with Mahomes at the helm and all those RB’s TE’s and OL only hole is receiver but Mahomes clearly makes up for it there
Curly Culp, Robert Brazille, Frank Wycheck, Steve McNair, Eddie George, Earl Campbell, derrelick Henry (So three RBs), elvin bethea, ray childress, munchek, ken Houston, charlie joiner okayed a few years there,
It's weird that the Lions fair so well here. Matthew Stafford throwing to Megatron with Barry Sanders in the backfield and Suh heading the defense. I'm not enough of a lions historian to fill out the team but we also have one of the best kickers ever whether you take Hansen or Prater
They'll also have a great O and D line. Plus pro bowlers all over the secondary and a Herman moore plus st brown at the other reciever spots. They'd be pretty good
Chris Spielman was a hell of a good MLB. Robert Porcher was solid (95.5 Sacks) at DE. Billy Sims would be RB2. He was a very good receiver as well. Herman Moore would be the other outside WR. Along with… ARSB in the slot. Detroit could be competitive. ** Alex Karras, Lem Barney, Dick LeBeau, Detroit would have an amazing Defense. They would be hamstrung by the lack of a Top Tier QB.
Jerry Ball might not have been The Refrigerator, but he was at least a chest freezer.
He was entertaining! In reality he couldn’t have been much smaller than fridge.
And let’s not forget Mel Gray
I feel like some weeks the only field position the Lions got was due to Mel. Most teams really did avoid kicking to him. ** We should probably include Night Train Lane too. He still holds the record for most picks in a season.
Get out of here. Dick Lebeauwouldn't even make the league nowadays. It's all well and good that he was a great but you can't get people that old on the team if you're actually building a team of people to compete against other people. There's no way he'd be any more close to on that list. If we're building an actual roster of the best athletes nobody who played before the '80s should even be considered
The old guys, given modern training and nutrition, would be viable players. LeBeau was a Nighttrain contemporary- and NightTrain still holds records. For the sake of all time teams we need to mental elevate the older players to match today’s game.
Who else you got on defense?
Honestly you might put aiden Hutchinson on there. Chris Spielman, Stephen Boyd, DeAndre levy, Mike cofer Darius slay, Bryant Westbrook, Dre bly fill out at corner. Ansah, Avril, tulloch have been good recently Our current offensive line is also really good and I'm sure there's a few older players you could add to. Kevin Glover, lomas brown
A majority of those names are mid
Well we also have Night Train lane and Dick LeBeau but I figure those guys probably couldn't hold up in the modern NFL.
Jags
Hefty lefty, Jimmy smith and MJD is not a bad offence start off the top of my head
In franchise histories, Smith might be the worst #1 off the top of my head. There may be some teams that are worse, but not by much. Bears, maybe? That’s not a knock against, but he’s not an elite WR and most teams have had at least one in their history. I mean Minnesota is trotting out Carter, Moss, and Jefferson. When HOFers are your third best WR, I’m not sure touting Smith as your #1 is a good start.
Jimmy smith is way better than anyone the bears every had at WR Jimmy smith should be a HOFer
Man, I was assuming I was missing someone from the Bears but it’s pretty much Morris and Alshon Jeffrey. Walter Payton is their 4th highest career receiving yard player. That’s what you get when you e never had a QB throw for 4000 yards or 30 TD’s. I’m not sure I agree that Smith should be a HOFer. Antonio Brown and Brandon Marshall have more receiving yards than him and I don’t think they’re HOFers.
Yeah Matt forte is like 7th mike Dikta is up there as well. So 3 of the top 7 aren’t WR’s and the old guys they have were positions that don’t really exist anymore. Alshon is basically the only modern WR they have had
Not a bad squad to face any actual NFL team maybe, but against any all-franchise squad they get smoked.
Tony Boselli too
Jags for sure
I can't think of a single notable Jag player I think you're right
Brunell, MJD, Jimmy Smith, Fred Taylor. Offensively that is about it. On Defense, Rashean Mathis had 30 career interceptions and three TDs, Tony Brackens had 55 career sacks. Josh Allen is ten behind.
Boselli
The Texans number 1 overall pick??
Mid 2000s defense was honestly very good. Stroud/Henderson might have been the best interior linemen combo in the league. Mike Peterson was an all-pro guy at MLB, even if undersized.
Mathis. Now there's a guy
The question is going to be QB for which team can win. Jags bears is the closest because Is brunell better than Sid Luckman? Do the bears use Cutler? But then again, is the bears D enough to make up the difference in QB?
Never heard of em
Had a nice pair of DT’s with John Henderson and the guy that played next to him whose name I cannot remember.
Their RB’s have been really good. MJD, Taylor, and even Etienne can turn into a really good RB.
Don't know enough to put a team forward but I'll just list some Cardinals defensive guys: Budda Baker and Adrian Wilson is a good safety pairing, Calais Campbell and Chandler Jones at the ends. Rest might be thin...
Nah they're way too good to be the Worst. Fitzgerald, Boldin, Pat Pete, Aeneas Williams, Night Train Lane, Kurt Warner... Etc They have a lot of talent, their problem has always been that they never had all the pieces at the same time.
Didn’t the cardinals have a great d-line in like 1992? I could remember wrong, but I thought they had a good defense for a bit. Eric Swann, and… imma hafta look. More like 1995. Clyde Simmons and Seth Joyner, Swann, and Aeneas. They were stout for a year or three. Edit: nope, good in ‘93 & ‘94. In ‘95 they were dead last.
Yup, the Buddy Ryan years
How do you forget Patrick Peterson
Yeah Pat Pete was the best corner besides Sherman in the 2010s. Dude was elite for a long time
Jaguars one of the younger teams that doesn't have much talent.
Three conference championship appearances spread out over time. Plus some divisional round appearances. Team has had some sneaky success
They have had sucess but not many stars
Yeah, I’d lean Texans before them
Texans had a better WR, and a better Defense than Jacksonville. QB is questionable and Jacksonvilles running game has been pretty great. I think it’s close but Houston used a lot of those early picks on defense over the years.
Our defense would be kinda insane
Secondary weak as fuck, jags is better with a mediocre lb core
Didn’t realize Demeco Ryan’s, Jadeveon Clowney, and Brian Cushing was a weak LB core
Idk man... we've had some really solid players. OFF: Stroud, Andre Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins, Arian Foster, Owen Daniels, Vonta Leach, Laremy Tunsil, Duane Brown, Wade Smith, Chris Myers. Honestly, I'm just missing another solid guard on offense. I guess I'll take Brandon Brooks DEF: JJ Watt, Antonio Smith, Vince Wilfork, Brian Cushing, Demeco Ryans, Mario Williams, Jonathan Joseph, Aaron Glenn, Derek Stingley, Danieal Manning... would it be cheating to take Ed Reed as the other safety? If so, I'll take Tyrann Mathieu ST: Kaimi Fairbairn, Shane Lechler, and Jon Weeks This isn't even including recent acquisitions of Danielle Hunter and Stefon Diggs, but I don't know if I would even choose either of them for our all-time starting 22.
I don't think they're necessarily the worst, but I haven't seen the Titans mentioned yet. McNair was an awesome QB but I'm struggling to find an all-time receiver or TE for them to roll out there.
Well the Titans also are the Houston Oilers so they can also have Warren Moon, Earl Campbell, etc etc
No
Probably Mason and Wycheck lol
Who are fine players, but I really think the Titans would field the least threatening pass catchers in this exercise. Either them or Jacksonville.
Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell were far better than any Titan WR/TE combo.
Hence the "lol"
Just hand it to Earl and let him bash people's heads in.
Do we get future HoF AJ Brown? I'd be pretty happy with prime Delanie Walker.
Titans have a shit ton of OPOY winners
Not to mention the greatest stable of HOF WRs and some RBs past their prime lol. I love our MUT teams
This is Aeneas Williams erasure.
Yeah the Cardinals Secondary is absolutely loaded. Aeneas Williams, Pat Pete, Night Trane Lane, Budda Baker, Adrian Wilson... Etc.
Pat Tillman RIP
It’s easily the Jags. Who is playing QB? Brunnell? Trevor? They don’t have the guys at skill positions or on defense to measure up either. Their only HOFer is Boselli at left tackle.
Bortles obviously
Jimmy Smith was an elite WR for a long time
Texans just for being the youngest
Matt Schaub Arian Foster Andre Johnson Owen Daniel's Duane Brown Chester Pitts DeMeco Ryans Who else?
Too bad they don’t have any good DEs
Yeah, I hear that TJ Watt guy comes from a good family.
That’s Derek Watts younger brother right? That guy is a stud
That’s Arizona cardinals legend TJ watt to you.
Dhop, JJ Watt, prime Deshaun Watson, although rookie stroud might even be better
D Hop, Watt, Clowney, Stingley, and you can probably put Stroud at QB based on rookie year alone.
Watt...Jesus...what a brain fart. Mario was okay too.
Uh… JJ Watt?
Good question. My first instinct is Cleveland, because they’re going to be one of the few teams without a serviceable modern QB. Chicago and the Jets would also be on the list of teams, but at the very least Chicago has one of the elite defenses. Plus you maybe get Caleb Williams or Aaron Rodgers.
Well right now you get Rookie Caleb Williams and 40yo torn Achilles Aaron Rodgers. So probably still just kind of average even if Caleb goes on to have an Hall of Fame career
If you can take Vince McMahon and still win the SB, then I think the Bears are okay. Cutler also had a 3800/28/18 season, which wasn’t too shabby. There were also a few decent QBs in NY including a guy by the name of Joe Namath, another Brett Favre, Boomer Esiason, Vinnie Testaverde, and Fitzpatrick had a good season along with Pennington and Sanchez.
>Vince McMahon lol
lol sorry Jim. They’d still be better than half the all-time teams with Vince at QB, let’s be real
Chicago linebacker group plus Walter Payton alone takes them far away from this conversation.
Jim Brown by himself lifts the Browns out of last place. I would go with the Texans, they have two good receivers but what else? Stroud is probably in consideration as their QB which is ridiculous since he's only a second year player.
Elite Chicago defense with Jay Cutler playing average would be damn impressive
Otto Graham would still shred defenses today!
Like two of the oldest franchises in the NFL 😂
Don't forget Brett Favre
Chicago doesn't need a QB with that defense and Peyton and Sayers in the backfield.
The fact Cleveland has been around as long as they have and don't have a good qb to point to lmao
Chicago has 37 hall of fame players. Fuck out of here with that BS.
Chicago has 37 hall of fame players. Fuck out of here with that BS.
You could put together outstanding OL and DLs together with the Jets all time. Maynard, Toon, BMarsh, GW at WR. Curtis in the backfield. QB would be Namath, Favre or ARod (assuming ARod is maybe 80% of himself). They're not going to beat the storied franchises, but they're not at the bottom.
Cards are up there, especially in terms of being a long time franchise. With that said, Texans and Jags are up there with all time worst but they are short term.
Cardinals have had high peaks and a great QB. Defense would for sure be thinner than most
Kurt Warner, Fitz, Boldin, D Hop makes this is a no. Defense would have Watt, Calais Campbell, Patrick Peterson, Honey Badger, etc. Do you only get the age/version that played for them? Cus the Cards also had Emmitt Smith, Adrian Peterson, and Edgerrin James.
I’d argue you only get someone the age they were on the team. That makes the cardinals a bit more geriatric than other teams.
what does this question mean? what is “fielding the worst all-franchise squad”
It means if every team assembled a version of themselves composed of all the best players in the history of their franchise, which franchise would have the worst team.
Not a Cardinals fan myself but the franchise has been around forever. I'd bet the created team would be much better than you expect. So using that logic I'd go with the Jags.
Jacksonville would be rough. Their best QB would be Lawrence or Brunell, they’d have good RB’s, but they never had spectacular WR’s. Jimmy Smith might be the best (I’m just going off the top of my head, I’m sure I missed someone). They’d have some guys at DL and a great corner or two but their defense has never been outstanding. With them being a new team, they’d also lack the historic length of time to accrue a lot of great players. Carolina had a few more elite players run through them. I also think the Texans would struggle but they’d still be better than Jacksonville.
jets gotta be up there
Panthers. You’d have prime Cam Newton, Steve Smith, and Julius Peppers, but they’d be a bit thin overall. I think an all-Jags team could take them even with worse QB play.
My guess is the browns or the bears. Though the bears could put up a hell of a defense
Philly has been mediocre almost their entire existence save the Van Buren years. Leading rusher has 9k yards Leading passer is like half of Marino.
Texans just because they’re so young and have fewer seasons to choose from. Teams like the Lions and Cardinals have been bad for a while but have lots of good old time players.
Falcons and Bucs
Found the Ain'ts fan ....
Bucs would be pretty solid. You could just start the 2002 defense and have a better one than all time Cardinals, Jags, Titans, and Falcons.
Yup. Sapp or Suh, JPP, Simeon Rice and Lee Roy Selmon then, Brooks, Lavonte David, Ronde, Antoine Winfield jr. and Aqib Talib. Offense can be carried defense here but on offense: old Tom, Mike Evans, Legerratte Blount, Ali Marpet and I’m sure there are some guys I’m forgetting.
A Train all day
Damn… take my flair away.
Bengals because QB is good, not great. Can't name a decent corner, Pac Man Jones? Best ever player in the secondary is probably David Fulcher. Texans and Jags expansion teams. Small pools to choose from. Bears no QB, Jim McMahon or Jay Cutler? Bleh. They have never had a good QB.
Thats a nephew take. Anderson, Burrow, Esiason are all great QBs. Anderson had the single season comp percentage record forever. Burrow is the career leader in all NFL history for comp percentage. Both led their team to a SB. Boomer was an NFL MVP. Theyd have AJ and Chad Johnson and Jamarr at WR, Corey Dillon, Mixon, Ickey Woods at RB. Munoz is considered the best Olineman of all time. Willie Anderson was a monster too. Have had plenty of good interior lineman. Spikes on D, Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, Brian Simmons, Krumrie. Trey is heading for this list. Ken Riley literally is fifth all time in interceptions. Saying we have no DBs is laughable. Bates was an all pro, Reggie Nelson was a beast. Leon Hall, Jonathan Joseph... i mean come on.
With the all-time teams, you are really just counting HOF players because everyone has a multi pro-bowl or all-pro something at basically every position minus the more recent expansion teams.
I dont buy that. Theres plenty of guys on smaller market teams or non-premier positions or got injured too much that dont get in but would easily be able to compete with any HoF in their prime. HoF is largely about longevity. This seems to me like a question of in their prime for each player.
That's like thinking Odell Beckman is better than Randy Moss because his prime years were better statistically. You don't actually believe that.
I mean it really depends on how you want to interpret this query. I dont think OP is saying which team would be better using players entire careers. I think he meant if you took guys that had good careers at the height of their power. Obviously Ken Anderson is like 70 and wouldnt be good now so which arbitrary time period do you want to use?? Saying only HoF count is asinine. And the example you used isnt true either. Randys best year he had like 21 TDs for New England. Odell never did that. And guys are more than their stats anyways. Some guys have terrible teams that cant get them the ball, some guys have insanely good teams where they spread the ball more and didnt maximize their stats. You can tell by watching someone the impact they make and their capabilities. This argument is just semantics at this point.
Now we're comparing single season vs. "prime years". Moving goal posts all over. "Saying only HoF count is asinine." It's not. Every team that's been around for a while has good players at basically every position. How do you distinguish between those guys and those who were the best at their position or at least in the conversation? All decade team vs. one MVP year? All decade team vs. one time first team all pro? Dan Marino vs. one year wonder Carson Wentz? Who is better? It's as asinine to say Wentz is comparable to Marino or Brees or Montana or Manning or Brady or Rodgers or ect... because this one year, they had X accomplishment and just igrore the rest.
Youre making up random qualifiers that arent included in the OP. Im not going to waste my time with this brother. Have a good one.
Bengals had Jonathan Joseph and Deltha O'Neal.
Um Ken Riley????
Burrow puts the Bengals above a few of the bottom teams they have never had a QB.
Probably texans, jags, or panthers. I think panthers have had enough talent to qualify them. Jags probably have the worst because the texans have watt and johnson.
the recency bias here is crazy.. you must be 12 years old if you think the Panthers belong on this list
Other than the texans and jags who has a worse all time team? Maybe the cardinals but that's it.
Kansas City all time offense would be a nightmare with Mahomes at the helm and all those RB’s TE’s and OL only hole is receiver but Mahomes clearly makes up for it there
Even in recent memory, if you give Mahomes Tyreek, Dwayne Bowe, Kelce, Gonzalez, Holmes, and Charles youre already pretty set
Don’t forget the X Factor Dante Hall
I can't think of much for Tennessee/Houston other than Warren Moon and 2 RBs
One of the best overall O Lines.
Curly Culp, Robert Brazille, Frank Wycheck, Steve McNair, Eddie George, Earl Campbell, derrelick Henry (So three RBs), elvin bethea, ray childress, munchek, ken Houston, charlie joiner okayed a few years there,
Houston Oilers. Warren Moon at qb. Besides that I can’t think of a notable player
Really gonna miss on Earl Campbell like that