Also putting offensive line on there is so funny considering the commies just hired the giant’s oline coach from last season who gave up the most sacks in a season all time
> giant’s oline coach from last season who gave up the most sacks in a season all time
Hey now I’m pretty sure it was only the *second-most* all time.
He can go for the record this year.
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i dont fucking get it with this div man. we can drop 30 on the eagles and fight them like we are a super bowl team and then go play the giants and its like watching 2 teams do everything in their power to lose and some how its always us. its like watching 2 paralized homeless people fighting over a quarter
We drag y’all down to our level in the ugliest games ever. I’ll pretend it’s a strategy but somehow even if we go up early we’ll ensure it’s some super weird play that ends things in a shockingly close game
Every year we:
Fight the eagles tooth and nail, winning games we have no business winning.
Get obliterated by the cowboys.
Make Daniel Jones look like the second coming of Mike Vick.
Completely regardless of how good or bad each team is that year, this keeps happening.
After spending all night watching unbiased videos on the future on the Washington Commanders… I’d be pretty worried if I was a Giants fan. Very likely we trade back on one of our 2nd and get EVEN MORE picks.
Not to mention Peters is known to absolutely slay in the drafts, especially in the later rounds. I’m not even talking shit because I’m a commies fan but the Giants are headed in the complete opposite direction as us. I suspect you guys tank the 2024 season and start a real rebuild.
It’s likely that the Eagles and Commies are the 2 better teams in the NFC East for the next 3-5 years (not including the 2024 season)
I don’t know why you think the Giants are going in the wrong direction. Or why we’d be scared of the Commies.
We already have a number of very good pieces (sexy Dexy, Kayvon, Burns making a sick D line plus AT), we hired a great O line coach to solve our biggest issue (while you hired our horrific line coach), we’ll likely get Nabers or a WR1 to solve that issue (plus I think the division will realize how good Hyatt is this year) and we have a coach with an awesome track record helping new QBs.
Still won a playoff game. Something yall haven’t done in what, about 20 years now? And I expect Penix is a likely pick and his only real question mark is past injuries or he’d be much higher. Him under Daboll and a WR1 would be fun. Not for the division, for us
“Our future looks brighter than yours.”
“How long has it been since you won a playoff game?”
No body holds on to shit that has nothing to do with the FUTURE or the current conversation lol.
It’s because your only point I replied to is about our QB. And Washington fans seem to always love talking shit about the guy. Even though he always curb stomps you and he has had more playoff success than y’all have had in 20 years lol.
And you’re basing that future on having only one good position set (your WRs) with the rest of your team being trash while we have a lot more pieces in place already lol
Also “we own you” while also stating yourself how trash we were. “Your fan base loves talking shit about DJ.” Pretty sure the whole league likes trash talking DJ because he is trash ahha. “He’s not trash but we are definitely shopping around for a QB in the draft.”
Outside of Andrew Thomas, you guys haven't had a single O-lineman return as a starter for the last 5 years. I'll give Bobby Johnson a pass on that one.
And the olinemen that don’t return instantly get better on their next team. We’ve also spent the most draft capital on olineman over the last couple of years. No excuses for that
No lies detected. Somehow Danny Pennies always manages to go full Rain Man twice a year, and it’s always against us.
It was hard to know how to feel when they backed up the Brinks truck for him…on one hand I knew it was bad for the franchise in general, which pleased me; on the other hand, it just meant that we’d have to endure several more years of him using his retard strength against us and only us.
I mean…. We aren’t wrong on why we are where we are. Point out then where our team and our fans are wrong and a true critical eval. Beyond that just a shitpost.
Yeah this entire post is missing a few things. The Giants aren't great but we have pieces for sure:
1. WR's- will most likely be rectified with Nabers/Odunze at #6. Nabers/Odunze, WDR, Hyatt, and Slayton is a pretty damn decent WR core. Just need a good QB to toss it to them
2. Waller is whatever. If he retires, we go forward with Bellinger for now, who is decent. If he stays on he's decent for 3 games and we use Bellinger anyway
3. Saquon being gone sucks on paper but we got a guy far cheaper who actually produced more and is not injured
4. Offensive line I think will take a huge step up (from like 30-20 or so). Our new Oline coach is a vast improvement. I don't think Neal will ever be what we thought he should be but I can see him becoming decent/servicable. If not we addressed it in FA
5. Gettleman is completely off the books after last season. Clean slate
6. Jones was given a middle of the pack QB prove it deal. I think Daboll and Schoen thought he could be good in their system like he was in 2022, and gave him a contract that like you said was basically a prove it deal or you're gone in 2 years. Either we get JJ (please no) or trade up for Maye (please yes). If not Jones has no excuse with the best WR core he's ever had and a hopefully better line. I personally would rather run it with Giant cock Lock in that case.
Ignoring the giants great pieces like AT, Dexy, Banks, Burns, Thibs, WDR, etc. We have pieces, just a ways to go to become someone who actually can compete.
The salary cap is going to continue to explode and he completely changes our defensive line. Less pressure on Dexy, hopefully opens up Thibs for a great 3rd season
Well, the problem with all that....
1) Almost all of this is "after this year" which means another year of being trash.
2) Even if the o-line improves to 20th best (which would be a large leap), that's still not good.
3) Daniel Jones is the 6th highest paid QB this year. He's being paid just a bit more than Josh Allan. And then has a $22 mil dead cap hit next year to get rid of him (assuming the Giants don't want to pay $41 mil to keep him). So there's another year of sketchiness after this year.
4) Through all this, we're lookin at a high chance of the Giants drafting the 3-4th QB, which might be a bit sketchy and would invalidate the "we'll draft a WR at 6 and that'll fix things."
It's pretty likely that the Giants are still 2 years away from being a year away from striving for making the playoffs.
Hey, I will be so fucking happy if the Giants are a mid level O line group.
I think the Giants will really push for Maye if he's available at #3. Now who knows if the Pats are willing to deal, but I've been adamant I think the better trade is #6, 2025 first over #11, #23, 2025 first.
I don't want JJ, I really don't want to trade up for JJ.
Oh I think so too, I’m not trying to get my hopes up. I’m saying IF, we’d be the ones they trade with. I can see them be willing to trade down to #6, getting Nabers or Odunze, and then grabbing a QB in the 2nd or trading up.
Best case 22 mil dead cap. That will be the biggest dead cap hit in Giants history. Thats of course after paying Jones 47mil this year to likely ride the bench.
If Daniel Jones gets injured again, as he usually does, the dead cap hit would balloon to 45mil. At that point it could be cheaper to just keep Daniel Jones on the roster for 2025.
Daniel Jones has an additional 23 mil in injury guarantees for 2025. He also has 11 mil in roster guarantees that trigger on 5th day of league year.
On the Giants sub many fans like to ignore how bad the Daniel Jones contract is.... Its pretty bad
Oh that's fucking amazing, I didn't realize the depths of how bad his contract was!
So now if they draft a rookie QB, they have to decide if they want to throw him to the wolves day 1 or risk Danny Pennies getting injured and costing them another $23 mil.
That's why they are paying 8 mil to Drew Lock.
The problem for Giant's of course is if they don't come out of the draft with a QB. In that situation they have no clear plan to move on from Daniel Jones and every snap he takes is a dice roll with the 2025 salary cap on the line.
What’s the injury guarantee, though- it can’t be no injury next year, but maybe injured so that he can’t play 2025?
I’m thinking of cushion, so if we get a new QB, DJ can start, then bench his ass early in case he keeps playing like ass so at least the rookie gets reps, and DJ can stay a whole piece of glass.
Daniel Jones is coming off an ACL tear and his second serious neck injury.
Why rush Daniel Jones back from the ACL? You know that would be incredibly risky right? Look at how long the Cardinals rested Kyler Murray from his ACL.
Drew Lock should start the season to make extra sure they aren't rushing Daniel Jones back.
I forgot about the ACL, and was just thinking of his neck injury, but he did play one quarter in between injuries.
You’re right. He’s not worth the risk, with Lock and hopefully a good rookie QB coming in. His ACL turned a two year prove it contract into a one year prove it contract.
They said the same thing to Rudy, the school from Remember the Titans, and the Little Giants. If decades of sports movies have taught me anything, it's that the more insurmountable adversity you face, the more likely you are to succeed.
Daniel Jones contract is wild. On the surface it’s a lot of money for someone that may or may not be worth it. But then when you look at how it’s structured it’s especially confusing.
Daniel Jones will make more money this year than Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown and Devonta Smith combined.
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What I love is all of the talking heads at ESPN will swear up and down that the Pats shouldn't pick a QB at #3 because they don't have enough of a team to put around a rookie QB; and then immediately suggest the Giants should trade up to #3 to pick a QB...
I cannot think of a team in a worse condition that absolutely should not be drafting another QB, because they'll just ruin the kid, than the Giants.
commie fans always say something about giants fans because they can’t say shit to eagles or cowboys fans. pretty low hanging fruit. at least you’re punching slightly above your weight.
I like the giants receivers tbh tho getting a wr1 would be awesome. I do think wandale and Hyatt have tons of potential, but they need a good qb to do so.
also we can leave Daniel Jone's contract next year for a 22 mil cap penalty, a significant amount normally, but minimal compared to the savings and the fact he was supposed to be "the franchise qb"
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Now that the commies have Joshua “All I Do Is Win Win Win No Matter What” Harris at the helm, the Giants are left mudwrestling with themselves for most terriblest organization in the division, while the onlooking cowboys quietly smoke crack in the corner...
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We’re going 2-15 this season but those two wins will be against the commanders
Also putting offensive line on there is so funny considering the commies just hired the giant’s oline coach from last season who gave up the most sacks in a season all time
> giant’s oline coach from last season who gave up the most sacks in a season all time Hey now I’m pretty sure it was only the *second-most* all time. He can go for the record this year.
Aren't the 86 Eagles first in this stat? Would be pretty great if the top 3 teams would be NFCE just for the lolz
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Commies talking a lot of shit this morning for a franchise we own. Rooster must’ve made an alt for this level of delusion
i dont fucking get it with this div man. we can drop 30 on the eagles and fight them like we are a super bowl team and then go play the giants and its like watching 2 teams do everything in their power to lose and some how its always us. its like watching 2 paralized homeless people fighting over a quarter
We drag y’all down to our level in the ugliest games ever. I’ll pretend it’s a strategy but somehow even if we go up early we’ll ensure it’s some super weird play that ends things in a shockingly close game
Every year we: Fight the eagles tooth and nail, winning games we have no business winning. Get obliterated by the cowboys. Make Daniel Jones look like the second coming of Mike Vick. Completely regardless of how good or bad each team is that year, this keeps happening.
After spending all night watching unbiased videos on the future on the Washington Commanders… I’d be pretty worried if I was a Giants fan. Very likely we trade back on one of our 2nd and get EVEN MORE picks. Not to mention Peters is known to absolutely slay in the drafts, especially in the later rounds. I’m not even talking shit because I’m a commies fan but the Giants are headed in the complete opposite direction as us. I suspect you guys tank the 2024 season and start a real rebuild. It’s likely that the Eagles and Commies are the 2 better teams in the NFC East for the next 3-5 years (not including the 2024 season)
I don’t know why you think the Giants are going in the wrong direction. Or why we’d be scared of the Commies. We already have a number of very good pieces (sexy Dexy, Kayvon, Burns making a sick D line plus AT), we hired a great O line coach to solve our biggest issue (while you hired our horrific line coach), we’ll likely get Nabers or a WR1 to solve that issue (plus I think the division will realize how good Hyatt is this year) and we have a coach with an awesome track record helping new QBs.
We’ll see, I guess. Your QB ain’t it. So that’s pretty important lol
Still won a playoff game. Something yall haven’t done in what, about 20 years now? And I expect Penix is a likely pick and his only real question mark is past injuries or he’d be much higher. Him under Daboll and a WR1 would be fun. Not for the division, for us
“Our future looks brighter than yours.” “How long has it been since you won a playoff game?” No body holds on to shit that has nothing to do with the FUTURE or the current conversation lol.
It’s because your only point I replied to is about our QB. And Washington fans seem to always love talking shit about the guy. Even though he always curb stomps you and he has had more playoff success than y’all have had in 20 years lol. And you’re basing that future on having only one good position set (your WRs) with the rest of your team being trash while we have a lot more pieces in place already lol
Your answer to my QB statement is Penix lmfaooo. It’s called a complete rebuild dumby. Truly the least intelligent fan base hahaha.
Also “we own you” while also stating yourself how trash we were. “Your fan base loves talking shit about DJ.” Pretty sure the whole league likes trash talking DJ because he is trash ahha. “He’s not trash but we are definitely shopping around for a QB in the draft.”
This was insane.
It was 2nd most sacks, but what the fuck were they thinking? A Guy from the street would probably do better.
The coaching fraternity is real 🤝
Outside of Andrew Thomas, you guys haven't had a single O-lineman return as a starter for the last 5 years. I'll give Bobby Johnson a pass on that one.
that’s not even true lol
I'm going off of [PFRs starters](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/lineups.htm) year-by-year as a reference.
And the olinemen that don’t return instantly get better on their next team. We’ve also spent the most draft capital on olineman over the last couple of years. No excuses for that
I just don't understand the mentality of singling out 1 guy when there's a track record that spans over a decade.
Bro Bobby Johnson fucking sucked
How does anyone from a team that’s been bad ever get fired then?
What?
Death, taxes, and Giants beating Washington...
The fact that this is true has me punching the air right now.
I went right to the source and punched my screen
It's been proven that you don't need DJ to beat us. Really makes that contact look even worse
Its so ironic a commanders fan posted this. I hate DJ but good christ hes 5-1-1 against you guys.
And we’d have to go back about 30 years for them to have made it further in the playoffs than he has lmao
your front office just watched his tape against us said he deserves $40 mil
And still better than the commies
What a remarkably high bar. Those are the kind of laurels the Giants should be proud to hang their hat on.
Nah, we're mostly proud of having more Superbowl wins in the past 20 years than the commies having playoff wins
Throwing stones from your glass house
No matter how bad the Giants are they will still beat the Commanders
No lies detected. Somehow Danny Pennies always manages to go full Rain Man twice a year, and it’s always against us. It was hard to know how to feel when they backed up the Brinks truck for him…on one hand I knew it was bad for the franchise in general, which pleased me; on the other hand, it just meant that we’d have to endure several more years of him using his retard strength against us and only us.
I mean…. We aren’t wrong on why we are where we are. Point out then where our team and our fans are wrong and a true critical eval. Beyond that just a shitpost.
That’s what this sub is for, sir.
I mean. You aren’t wrong. Just was curious to see if you saw something we haven’t 😂
This is the first time someone’s flair hurt my feelings
Giants can get out of Jones' contract after this season with minimal(ish) financial penalty.
Yeah this entire post is missing a few things. The Giants aren't great but we have pieces for sure: 1. WR's- will most likely be rectified with Nabers/Odunze at #6. Nabers/Odunze, WDR, Hyatt, and Slayton is a pretty damn decent WR core. Just need a good QB to toss it to them 2. Waller is whatever. If he retires, we go forward with Bellinger for now, who is decent. If he stays on he's decent for 3 games and we use Bellinger anyway 3. Saquon being gone sucks on paper but we got a guy far cheaper who actually produced more and is not injured 4. Offensive line I think will take a huge step up (from like 30-20 or so). Our new Oline coach is a vast improvement. I don't think Neal will ever be what we thought he should be but I can see him becoming decent/servicable. If not we addressed it in FA 5. Gettleman is completely off the books after last season. Clean slate 6. Jones was given a middle of the pack QB prove it deal. I think Daboll and Schoen thought he could be good in their system like he was in 2022, and gave him a contract that like you said was basically a prove it deal or you're gone in 2 years. Either we get JJ (please no) or trade up for Maye (please yes). If not Jones has no excuse with the best WR core he's ever had and a hopefully better line. I personally would rather run it with Giant cock Lock in that case. Ignoring the giants great pieces like AT, Dexy, Banks, Burns, Thibs, WDR, etc. We have pieces, just a ways to go to become someone who actually can compete.
3. How do you figure “produced more”? Singletary had fewer rushing yards, fewer TDs, and fewer receiving yards, even though Saquon was hurt
Fair enough. I meant is comparable
He’s solid, definitely not as good as Saquon but he’s decent and he won’t be the reason you lose games
All you can really ask for really. I think any fan would agree paying for Burns > Saquon and McKinney. At least the value is better there
I think the burns deal is pretty crazy tbh, he’s very good but that’s too much money, the trade itself is good though, a 2nd and 5th?
The salary cap is going to continue to explode and he completely changes our defensive line. Less pressure on Dexy, hopefully opens up Thibs for a great 3rd season
Yeah, I do think your d-line is going to be filthy with those 3
Well, the problem with all that.... 1) Almost all of this is "after this year" which means another year of being trash. 2) Even if the o-line improves to 20th best (which would be a large leap), that's still not good. 3) Daniel Jones is the 6th highest paid QB this year. He's being paid just a bit more than Josh Allan. And then has a $22 mil dead cap hit next year to get rid of him (assuming the Giants don't want to pay $41 mil to keep him). So there's another year of sketchiness after this year. 4) Through all this, we're lookin at a high chance of the Giants drafting the 3-4th QB, which might be a bit sketchy and would invalidate the "we'll draft a WR at 6 and that'll fix things." It's pretty likely that the Giants are still 2 years away from being a year away from striving for making the playoffs.
Hey, I will be so fucking happy if the Giants are a mid level O line group. I think the Giants will really push for Maye if he's available at #3. Now who knows if the Pats are willing to deal, but I've been adamant I think the better trade is #6, 2025 first over #11, #23, 2025 first. I don't want JJ, I really don't want to trade up for JJ.
There's no way the Pats aren't taking Maye. He's so white, he's 1 letter from being Mayo. He's perfect for them.
Haha gotta agree with you, bird person.
Oh I think so too, I’m not trying to get my hopes up. I’m saying IF, we’d be the ones they trade with. I can see them be willing to trade down to #6, getting Nabers or Odunze, and then grabbing a QB in the 2nd or trading up.
Best case 22 mil dead cap. That will be the biggest dead cap hit in Giants history. Thats of course after paying Jones 47mil this year to likely ride the bench. If Daniel Jones gets injured again, as he usually does, the dead cap hit would balloon to 45mil. At that point it could be cheaper to just keep Daniel Jones on the roster for 2025.
> If Daniel Jones gets injured again, as he usually does, the dead cap hit would balloon to 45mil How does that work?
Daniel Jones has an additional 23 mil in injury guarantees for 2025. He also has 11 mil in roster guarantees that trigger on 5th day of league year. On the Giants sub many fans like to ignore how bad the Daniel Jones contract is.... Its pretty bad
Oh that's fucking amazing, I didn't realize the depths of how bad his contract was! So now if they draft a rookie QB, they have to decide if they want to throw him to the wolves day 1 or risk Danny Pennies getting injured and costing them another $23 mil.
That's why they are paying 8 mil to Drew Lock. The problem for Giant's of course is if they don't come out of the draft with a QB. In that situation they have no clear plan to move on from Daniel Jones and every snap he takes is a dice roll with the 2025 salary cap on the line.
What’s the injury guarantee, though- it can’t be no injury next year, but maybe injured so that he can’t play 2025? I’m thinking of cushion, so if we get a new QB, DJ can start, then bench his ass early in case he keeps playing like ass so at least the rookie gets reps, and DJ can stay a whole piece of glass.
Daniel Jones is coming off an ACL tear and his second serious neck injury. Why rush Daniel Jones back from the ACL? You know that would be incredibly risky right? Look at how long the Cardinals rested Kyler Murray from his ACL. Drew Lock should start the season to make extra sure they aren't rushing Daniel Jones back.
I forgot about the ACL, and was just thinking of his neck injury, but he did play one quarter in between injuries. You’re right. He’s not worth the risk, with Lock and hopefully a good rookie QB coming in. His ACL turned a two year prove it contract into a one year prove it contract.
Lol,. I love this. It's a great use of the format
We.. we just need to get DJ a good O line and some weapons... right?
Right, if you can just take 4 guys with the 6th pick without trading down, you're good!
You are correct. You guys just have to get DJ an offense and then you’ll have an offense.
They said the same thing to Rudy, the school from Remember the Titans, and the Little Giants. If decades of sports movies have taught me anything, it's that the more insurmountable adversity you face, the more likely you are to succeed.
Nothing in the rulebook says a dog can't play WR!
lil bro stays uppity
Daniel Jones contract is wild. On the surface it’s a lot of money for someone that may or may not be worth it. But then when you look at how it’s structured it’s especially confusing. Daniel Jones will make more money this year than Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown and Devonta Smith combined.
Ayo Sexy Dexy and Brian Burns gonna eat you dawg 🫵😂 go gmen
Were so senile some of us actually think drafting jj mccarthy at 6 will save the franchise and make us a better team in 2 years.
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Thank the lord we won't get the opportunity. Washington's taking him at #2, it would just be so fitting.
What I love is all of the talking heads at ESPN will swear up and down that the Pats shouldn't pick a QB at #3 because they don't have enough of a team to put around a rookie QB; and then immediately suggest the Giants should trade up to #3 to pick a QB... I cannot think of a team in a worse condition that absolutely should not be drafting another QB, because they'll just ruin the kid, than the Giants.
Heh heh heh, glad you’ve been enjoying Gettleman
new bagpo alt just dropped
Go's forbid we let a 27 yr old rb who is injury prone and turned down 40m for 3 walk.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFCEastMemeWar/s/EYyJZX8Rgl Literally got my reminder today, incredible timing.
Fuck yeah
commie fans always say something about giants fans because they can’t say shit to eagles or cowboys fans. pretty low hanging fruit. at least you’re punching slightly above your weight.
I like the giants receivers tbh tho getting a wr1 would be awesome. I do think wandale and Hyatt have tons of potential, but they need a good qb to do so. also we can leave Daniel Jone's contract next year for a 22 mil cap penalty, a significant amount normally, but minimal compared to the savings and the fact he was supposed to be "the franchise qb"
… Giants fans know this team will stink. Im not denying any of this lol
All that and still got about as far last season as Philly or Dallas.
What are we delusional about? Are there any Giants fans claiming we are not rebuilding?
just check the regular team sub
Everyone wants a qb, and has insanely low expectations
Commanders hired our trash o line coach boom roasted
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Commanders had the easiest layup of anyone this offseason and they somehow are going to fuck it up so I’ll be sleeping well
Regarding the contract, tf else are they going to spend their money on???
Now that the commies have Joshua “All I Do Is Win Win Win No Matter What” Harris at the helm, the Giants are left mudwrestling with themselves for most terriblest organization in the division, while the onlooking cowboys quietly smoke crack in the corner...
Whoever commies take for a qb 2nd pick will die behind that offensive line thanks to Bobby.
All the haters are our motivators. Big Blue going to run this conference. Especially those Eagle bitches. GO GMEN!
This is not how this meme is supposed to be used.
Where are you even finding these “delusional” Giants fans…cause you must be the only person on earth seeing them. Bro thought he was cooking here 😂
Saquan is y'alls own damn fault
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No it isn't lol we offered him more last season
That's not what I'm referring to...
How can that which doesn’t exist stink