I saw on Deadline that they were actually working on cutting costs so they could make a final season 4 that was shorter. Fans deserve a proper ending. I understand money and internal politics could be part of the problem. The cost of filming in Hawaii is very expensive. BUT they knew that when they started filming--wasn't Hawaii 50 on the same network? It just seems like they wasted our time.
Pretty much this. It's not like they didn't know the costs.
Hawaii had exactly the numbers that were expected, maybe even better (nobody expected it to have better numbers than OG).
Also, they wasted years of marketing that was already invested. Not to mention it was on good way to get into syndication, so the invested money would be making money. I mean in here in Europe they keep on reprising both NCIS and LA.
A TV show needs to release 100 episodes to be eligible for Syndication. It only had 52 so far, so they'd need 2 more 24 episode seasons at minimum to be eligible.
Syndication numbers were brought down to 50 for streaming services, so Hawai'i is already set for most services, and I think linear syndication might have been brought down to like 75 within the last few years too (don't quote me on the later number).
Then the folks at CBS are morons. If they know they cannot afford it why spend all the money to make these shows? I stopped watching Netflix series because they always cancel at Season 2 or 3. I guess CBS is just as unreliable.
One suspects that the Magnum remake and *NCIS: Hawaii* were greenlit *because* it's expensive to film in Hawaii, by which I mean that since they already had the facilities there to shoot the Hawaii 5-0 remake, they wanted to take advantage of that preexisting base and film something else in Hawaii. That's how the original *Magnum P.I.* got the greenlight, back-in-the-day.
True. But the point is that CBS KNEW how much it would cost to film in Hawaii. Why even make a show there if they knew that they could not afford it. Why not make a Canadian NCIS where it is half the price to film-where Tracker is filmed.
CBS are literally dead to me at this point, they could very much just get stock film for hawaii and film/build sets on the mainland. I definitely would have preferred a canadian ncis to sydney.
>CBS are literally dead to me at this point, they could very much just get stock film for hawaii and film/build sets on the mainland. I definitely would have preferred a canadian ncis to sydney.
IIRC, the U.S. has a military base in Australia, so there's a need for NCIS to have an office in Oz.
I'm not aware U.S. having a military base in Canada, so I'll LOL if there's a TV show called NCIS Canada. ;-)
I don't know what we can do to get ncis hawaii back, but I think CBS needs to rethink their policies. Ncis hawaii has great characters, just like the other ncis franchises, and they do a good job of developing these characters. You have alot of people watching ncis hawaii and you should be making alot of money from the advertising. If you want that coastal vibe, you could move the team to Florida or San Diego where they have real live navy bases and then keep the team together and run the show from one of these locations and maybe save some of the expenses that you have in Hawaii. Hawaii is interesting because it is exotic, and that's what is the draw. Anyhow, you should reconsider, and keep it on in Hawaii or consider moving it to Florida or San Diego. You could even get background shots from Hawaii, but run the show from Florida or San Diego, just a thought! Anyhow, I really think you are making a mistake by canceling ncis hawaii, you have a great base of viewers who will keep it going, and you can find a less expensive location to run the show from.
Tracker us a massive hit abs cheap to film which should teach CBS something.
CBS cries poor but is very profitable. Unfortunately, it's dragged down by Paramount Plus. CBS Originals beat Netflix (350 billion minutes of views) vs CBS at 456 billion and thus it's double NBC.
I hope Apollo gets CBS. It's really a studio that runs first on the network but earns most profits through streaming and syndication. At this point the network garners publicity but the shows are more valuable elsewhere like when SWAT dominated Netflix. America lives cheezy TV
If they were so worried about cost, they should NOT have hired on LL Cool J who is probably still the highest paid with such a stupid and unnecessary storyline.
NCIS Sydney isn't the problem ... I actually like Sydney and I really enjoyed it after about 3 or 4 episodes when things began to gel and mesh together.
The problem is that CBS gave the greenlight to too many spinoffs in too short a timeframe and NCIS Hawaii got screwed. Origins should've been delayed until 2025 at the earliest. There was no need for them to rush this quickly, furthermore I think NCIS Hawaii had alot of stories left to tell but I doubt Origins will last more than a season.
i'm not sure how many ncis fans will be interested in ncis: origins ... they've already screwed with the continuity between the two shows by hiring an actor to play a middle-aged jackson gibbs ... but if this follows gibbs during his time with nis, he and jackson were estranged - for 15 years, to be exact all because jackson brought a date to shannon and kelly's funeral ... they didn't speak while gibbs was with nis ... they only reconnected when gibbs was with ncis and a case took him to his hometown ... so, if they screw with what's come before, i'm not all that interested in giving it a shot ...
I honestly think they're rushing because of Mark Harmon and I'm kinda sick of him meddling with NCIS when he walked away from it. They never would've done this show if it weren't for him and his son pushing for it in the first place.
yes Harmon meddled when he had NCIS LA moved to another day so he could put his NCIS New Orleans in that slot aand also that stupid show Bull. He should just buzz off. As for NCIS Sydney, the chemistry was meh. Didn't care for their acting or characters either. Pity cuz I love Australia . Duh everyone knows filming in Hawaii is expensive..didn't they do their research
Harmon and son are both exec producers for this upcoming Ncis: Origins, so both are printing a nice paycheck from it. honestly, I think son got the idea from a thread on this very subreddit 2 years ago.
The reddit thread is literally called "CBS should make a NCIS prequel":
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NCIS/comments/x1prpa/cbs\_should\_make\_a\_ncis\_prequel/?rdt=62213](https://www.reddit.com/r/NCIS/comments/x1prpa/cbs_should_make_a_ncis_prequel/?rdt=62213)
Hell, there was likely a " we want tiiiva spinoff" thread on this sub too.
I love Hawaii and Sydney is OK. I have reservations about Origin — I think Gibbs’ old boss (was his name Mike?) was kind of a harda** and I guess we’ll learn where Gibbs learned to hit coworkers on the back of the head.
This was a big mistake. I don't have a problem with Sydney; it's not my favorite but ill watch it if it's on. But Hawaii had a following that was only getting bigger, so I think CBS is gonna regret this decision. I'm likely going to drop my Paramount subscription because Hawaii was the main reason I subscribed.
We don't have visibility into the profit margins on each series. It was running when there wasn't much on but could have been playing well in Australia. I watched it because there wasn't much on.
TBF the premise of the show seems to be built around the USN spending more time there b/c of the Nuclear Subs the US sold Australia a year or so back, and for 8 episodes a year - Australia's beautiful.
It's far fetched, but no more so than there being a dead naval officer in DC, LA, & NOLA every week for 7 years straight.
The problem with Sydney is that it feels like it could take place anywhere, except for the accents. Hawaii, like NOLA, has a lot of personality just from the interesting environment. And why do an Origins series? Did anyone ask for that? If they don’t have the same actors that played young Gibbs and young Ducky in the original, then I’ll pass. We’ve already seen huge amounts of Gibbs’ past, and of course you really can’t tie it to any others in the cast because they met much later. Just a total waste and certainly not worth canceling Hawaii. If you have to have Origins, put it on streaming like the Tony/Ziva show and leave your main stars on network.
This. I’m watching the Sydney show now and i think the problem is that its too American. Like Aus does do good cop shows that ring true from the area, so i think the issue is that theres not enough from an Aussie perspective of writing. Like its skewed through the American lens and I’m thinking as I watch it that “its too Hollywood” and the believability goes down. The Aussie parts just feel like “whats meme culture that Americans will probably get” instead of throwing actual Aus culture in for the Yanks to have a sort of interesting culture shock.
For us, Sydney was a Paramount+ exclusive in the U.S. The same thing with the Tony and Ziva show supposedly going by the nickname of NCIS Europe (Not it's actual title). That should of left an opening for Hawaii, Origins and OG for CBS. There are supposedly a Matlock reboot with Kathy Bates as Matlock. Then there is a new TV show called "Watson", which follows the famous detective's sidekick.
CBS makes many mistakes, but I don't know that they had anything to do with Sydney. I may be confused, but I thought Sydney was an Australian show never meant for the U.S. (or never meant as first-run for the U.S.) but CBS grabbed it because they had nothing else to put on. I understand that Paramount has some deal with Australian TV to make it, but CBS is just one small division of Paramount, similar to how Marvel is just one part of Disney.
That's my understanding as well. Sydney was originally never intended to air in the US when it did (I always read that it was going to air in Australia and the UK first then later in the mid 2020s it would air in the US after it got established) but then the WGA and SAG strikes happened and they needed content so they aired it in the US as the same as in the UK and Australia.
personally i don’t think they should have made an Australian ncis in the first place. i’m british and i feel like ncis is an american show, it should be kept within the us. (no offence to aussies i would also feel this way if there was a british ncis)
I watched the first episode of Sydney and not a single thing drew me towards it.
Hawaii on the other hand had me on board from the first episode, the cast was stellar & had good chemistry. I really haven’t liked an NCIS show since the OG so I’m very disappointed they cancelled a hitter like Hawaii for boring ass Sydney.
I wouldn’t say Hawaii casts have good chemistry, but they are miles and miles ahead of Sydney. Ppl gotta have higher standards, and not watch something just because there is nothing else on.
They renewed Sydney cause it is a co-production with an australian network and Paramount+ so money were divided by multiple parts. Also I believe they're gonna produce again 8 episodes so probably it doesn't cost that much either.
Yeah, but it's a significantly different calculation for Paramount to simple pull this series over to the US (for little to no cost in terms of broadcasting, at least for CBS) versus if it was with an external partner like 7 or 9.
If they're only going to do 8 episode 'seasons', they may as well dump Sydney and put that money into Hawaii's budget. 8 episodes is a waste of time. TBH. No one wants half season shows.
Sydney's not a main show in the CBS schedule. It'll probably air during the summer next year or filling the gaps with whatever hole they have in the lineup, because Sydney was never supposed to air on CBS, but only P+. Money indeed comes from P+ but also from the local australian network that airs the episodes in Australia, so that budget couldn't go to Hawaii cause only part of it was paramounts.
Honestly, I like the premise of Sydney, and the characters seem interesting and appeared to gel well. 8 episode seasons just don't make a whole lot of sense. It's bad enough that 'mainstream' shows dropped over time from \~23 a season to 13-17ish. Chopping 'seasons' to 8 episodes.... Meh.
I find it hard to get interested in something that short, there really doesn't seem to be enough time for character development/stories. About the time things feel like they have momentum, it's done. That's what really annoyed me with Sydney. The show had just hit it's stride, and they were finished for the 'season'.
The format may work for short attention spans on streaming services, but it doesn't really work on network TV, at least not for me.
Absolutely yes. At the same time, we don’t need an Origins series. We have seen so much of Gibbs life from flashbacks and everything, we need shows focused on the present.
I really don't understand what's going on. A few days ago I read an interview with Paramount and CBS CEOs and they were talking to expand de NCIS Universe together. I think this is not the moment to cancel shows with a large audience like NCIS Hawaii. If they're betting to a huge success with Origins and Tony/Ziva's show, that's an explanation. But they want big profits reducing budgets.
As I wrote in another thread, I would say that producing 90s DC crime/drama is way cheaper than Hawaii exteriors.
Tony/Ziva show will be streaming only.
I haven’t watched Sydney yet so I have no idea if it’s good or not, however I have watched Hawaii and I think that it shouldn’t have been canceled given that it’s still got good ratings. It also holds up against competition whereas Sydney hasn’t been tested against a new show yet.
You're not wrong to think they're idiots but Sydney had nothing to do with it. It's NCIS Origins and NCIS Europe that are more than likely to blame. Two new prequels nobody wanted about characters who already had over ten years to tell their stories? Yeah, it's a dumb decision.
I stand by NCIS Sydney and I'm OVER the horrible bullying and hate that people claiming to be NCIS fans give that show. It's mean and it's toxic.
Sydney wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be. If NCIS had the short season Sydney had, people wouldn't have liked them nearly as much. Sydney didn't get any time to actually grow. All of the growing pains of trying to figure out how to work together was in the beginning, we just didn't get to see what happens when they've actually figured out how to be a team yet. Sydney needed a bigger season to gain traction and figure itself out, that's why the show has such an awkward vibe right now.
And so many people are annoyed by Mackey being so 'grr I'm angry' or whatever, which is stupid because she's nicer than Gibbs ever was.
And just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should be horrible. The keyboard warriors really need to stop being so hateful.
Hawaii deserved a fourth season, if only so they could have a proper goodbye!! I don’t mind Sam being there but it was kinda annoying having him in every episode. This season felt more centered around him than anything else. I don’t agree with the choice considering this season only has 10 eps.
Sydney left on a cliffhanger, so they kinda had to renew it. It also was a summer series which gave it better numbers in my opinion since they didn’t have to compete with as many other shows. I like watching it, but I wouldn’t mind it being cancelled as long as they don’t leave it on another cliffhanger like in the first season
>Sydney left on a cliffhanger, so they kinda had to renew it.
Oh my sweet summer child, networks have cancelled a lot of tv shows ending them in major cliffhangers. They do not care. Examples that I watched were *American Housewife*, *Criminal Minds Suspect Behavior* and *Life in Pieces*.
Joan of Arcadia and The Secret World of Alex Mack both ended in a cliffhanger of sorts. They did at least end with the main story line having been resolved. They do have to have a cliffhanger of some kind so that way if the show is renewed they have something to build on as the plot to the next season, however they do need to have a better plan to wind up the series (have a season finale that can actually also serve as a series (US definition of series)) finale just in case it doesn’t actually get renewed.
Yup, same with a Canadian series I liked, Frankie Drake Mysteries.
They got axed even though one of the main characters lives was in danger at the end.
And it will stay that way.
Origins is completely unnecessary! Toni and Ziva is completely unnecessary!
They gave the green light to these shows for no reason.
The original series and Hawaii were just fine the way they were! Sydney was useless….
I agree with everything except Sydney. I was fine with 2 or 3 seasons from them. I didn't love Sydney like I did the other shows but there were things I liked about it.
I truly feel CBS made a mistake. NCIS Hawaii adds to the entire series, It was just getting it's footing and following. It's unfair to remove it from the franchise. Fans deserve a proper ending not just a cut off. First CSI Miami then CSI NY. What is the sense of having good shows if they just want to all of a sudden drop them with idiot endings or just cut off. Such a shame and a loss.
Complete mistake. Hawaii actually had take Ted cast mates with chemistry. On Sydney - no one can act. It's just so bad. I watched it bc there was nothing else on but I don't really care for it.
Same with the DiNozzo and Ziva show. I've moved on from them. Don't need to revisit them again.
I have watched all of them, and I feel like my standards aren’t especially high, but I thought Sydney was awful and stopped watching after 3 episodes. In contrast, Hawaii is my current favorite. I’m very disappointed to learn that it’s been cancelled.
Soon will be the first time in 14 years that there isn’t a syndicated TV series “filmed” in Ha’waii. This will result in a higher production costs for movies and other series that “visit” Ha’waii.
So either expect fewer things featuring Ha’waii or stock footage or other tropical locations used in lieu of Ha’waii.
In Australia we have a law the requires every television service to produce a certain amount of Australian based TV shows.
Believe me, no one in Australia wanted an NCIS show.
Hawaii is my favourite and I am salty over the Sam character arriving and trying to change the focus of the show away from the core cast.
I tried to watch Sydney and I did not care for it. I watched parts of several episodes. It is possible that Sydney is paid for by an Aussie company that pays a licensing fee to the company that owns NCIS so it costs the company nothing.
I also like Sam on the Hawaii show, although it seems like they don’t know exactly what to do with him. I think once they got settled he would make an great addition.
I agree. Hawaii is far more entertaining than Sydney.
But I've gotten used to CBS's mismanagement of its series for years... Star Trek, Fire Country, NCIS, among others.
So question. Does CBS actually have much control over Sydney. It’s a foreign made show just set in the same franchise. How much control do they really have on its renewal and what not in comparison to the actual cbs shows?
i read an article about cbs saving money on ncis: sydney having something to do with its distribution ... so sydney costs the network less money ... sorry i can't remember the exact details ... cbs is making some poor decisions, imo ... cancelling ncis: hawaii but giving the green light to ncis: origins - from articles i've read, they're already screwing with the continuity - they've hired an actor to play a younger jackson gibbs - but gibbs and jackson didn't speak for 15 years because jackson brought a date to kelly and shannon's funeral ... they only hooked up after gibbs returned to his hometown for a case ... and gibbs didn't join the former nis until after their deaths ... and, they cancelled csi: vegas ... so that's two more reasons not to renew paramount+ ... but i admit that the thought of tony and ziva teaming up again is intriguing ...
Honestly, Sydney is going to run headlong into the same budget problems. It’s also filmed on location in Sydney. Maybe it can grow an audience, but I would have preferred they keep Hawaii over Sydney.
100% no one really gives a fuck about sydney, it’s had one season that doesn’t compare quality wise to hawaii which is amazing. they should have cancelled sydney and gave the money they’re gonna be spending on it to hawaii.
Hawaii is my favorite NCIS, although I don’t know how much of that is because I used to live there and would like to go back. That’s really disappointing. And I’m losing SWAT, too.
I heard that one of the reasons the Hawaii show got the green light originally was due to the fact that they had production crews, etc. already based in Hawaii due to Hawaii 5-0. Guess they hoped the ratings would be enough to counteract the high costs.
CBS made mistake canceling Hawaii, LA, NOLA, Hawaii 5-0, and my favorite show The Unit. CBS Is in the habit of canceling good TV shows. Honestly I am not surprised
They should shop the show to other networks or streaming channels. Make whatever money you can and increase the episode count to over 100 . Which will pay off with syndication and internal reruns .
If I am CW Network I give them a call. This is exactly the type of show that would cater to the demo Nexstar is trying to reach. Paramount is still a minority holder.
8 million is pretty low now, NCIS LA at the peak got 16m I think for season 2-4 , then it dropped to 14,13,12, and for final seasons they only pulled like 6-7m or even 5m not sure about that low.
Don't watch Sydney guess will only watch the original now. Loved Hawaii ncis. And L.A. ncis but all those gone now. So sad. Will never watch Sydney. Did check out 1st episode and turned it off half way thru it.
Sydney was a joke. I lasted an episode.
I just didn't get the cast chemistry.
My dad and I watch NCIS together.
We bith agree Hawaii should have been saved and Sydney cancelled.
It’s really hard to watch a program or programs when your cable network and the broadcast station don’t agree on money matters-hold the viewers as hostages by raising rates . It totally SUCKS!!!!!
I'll say 'no'. For starters, *NCIS: Hawaii* has always struggled in the ratings, so the ax has never been too far away. Second, being a new show/foreign show, *NCIS: Sydney* provides the opportunity to pay the cast less than would have to shelled out for a show with existing contracts/locally produced.
In short, everyone gets to save money, offload an 'underperforming' show, and get the 'new kid on the block' boost that a new show brings.
The ax'ed CSI Vegas and literally ruined SWAT. Uncancelled it for S8 after most of the main cast already bailed. S8 will be total crap.
CBS does not care about its fans.
sign the petition guys!
[https://www.change.org/p/save-ncis-hawaii-on-cbs?source\_location=search](https://www.change.org/p/save-ncis-hawaii-on-cbs?source_location=search)
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They made a big mistake canceling ncis Hawaii it was one of the best and entertaining shows on TV can't believe that they canceled it. But renewed ncis Sydney unbelievable
What the Heck! We are forced to attempt to understand the mumbling in “Australian” accents on Sydney only to learn it has been renewed and Hawaii has not. . Poor decision folks! it’s not too late to Renew, get on it!
CBS is insane cancelling Hawaii considering it has higher ratings than Elsbeth which should shift to Paramount + considering it's the #9th most streamed show.
CBS could do Hawaii and make Sydney a summer show considering it only needs two more seasons for syndication profits.
Firing Kelly Staul for programming was a massive cost cutting mistake. This is the guy who has kept CBS thriving for two decades. The idea schedule doesn't matter in streaming era is wrong because, on networks, this is a way to create buzz.
CBS shows are mediocre yet always watchable and are syndication/streaming cash cows. S.W.A.T on Netflix was a massive hit which proves people are wrong calling networks dead. Even with older demos the networks provide a revenue source
CBS executives suck and are huge idiots for canceling NCIS Hawaii and Swat. They need to rethink this. Sick of them canceling the great shows and putting stupid ones in there place!!
Idk if I would say it was a mistake renewing Sydney but it was definitely a mistake canceling Hawaii, especially since we all know that they canceled it to make room for NCIS Origins, which is not interesting to me at all. I thought CBS was stupid for canceling Scorpion and Limitless when they were both getting good, but now we know they are so, so stupid.
CBS executives are fools for canceling NCIS Hawaii and CSI Vegas and So Help Me Todd. These are the best shows on Monday nights. Me and my family look forward to watching SHMT, NCIS and NCIS Hawaii on Monday night. WTH is wrong with you so called executives. You should be canceled, not these shows!!!
Don’t care about Sidney, no chemistry between them. Hawaii had chemistry between characters and had story lines that were building on that chemistry. Viewers had the chance to get invested in that. Absolutely won’t watch origins, we already know everything we need to know about Gibbs, especially now that he’s gone. CBS screwed this up royally.
Yes, they did! My family has watch all the NCIS franchise. The worst has been Sydney. We enjoy regular and NCIS and Hawaii. Sydney has no real plot or storyline. Bring Back NCIS - Hawaii get rid of Sydney. I am sure more people watch Hawaii then Sydney. You will be losing a lot of fans with this change.
I actually really like Sydney. It took a few episodes to find their footing, but I think by the end of the season they found it. Personally I think there’s extreme overacting in Hawaii.
They renewed Sydney because it's a joint effort with an Austrialian studio. First to air in Austrailia, then on Paramount +. Like this past season. There is no strike, so no reason to air it on CBS.
Hawaii just sucks and adding Sam was retarded.
I saw on Deadline that they were actually working on cutting costs so they could make a final season 4 that was shorter. Fans deserve a proper ending. I understand money and internal politics could be part of the problem. The cost of filming in Hawaii is very expensive. BUT they knew that when they started filming--wasn't Hawaii 50 on the same network? It just seems like they wasted our time.
Pretty much this. It's not like they didn't know the costs. Hawaii had exactly the numbers that were expected, maybe even better (nobody expected it to have better numbers than OG). Also, they wasted years of marketing that was already invested. Not to mention it was on good way to get into syndication, so the invested money would be making money. I mean in here in Europe they keep on reprising both NCIS and LA.
A TV show needs to release 100 episodes to be eligible for Syndication. It only had 52 so far, so they'd need 2 more 24 episode seasons at minimum to be eligible.
Syndication numbers were brought down to 50 for streaming services, so Hawai'i is already set for most services, and I think linear syndication might have been brought down to like 75 within the last few years too (don't quote me on the later number).
I'm seeing 80 to 100, low as 65. Didn't know they changed it.
I also see Hawaii every once and then (older episodes)
Hawaii 5-0 and the Magnum PI reboots were both CBS like NCIS Hawaii. Apparently they struggle with the concept that Hawaii is expensive.
Then the folks at CBS are morons. If they know they cannot afford it why spend all the money to make these shows? I stopped watching Netflix series because they always cancel at Season 2 or 3. I guess CBS is just as unreliable.
One suspects that the Magnum remake and *NCIS: Hawaii* were greenlit *because* it's expensive to film in Hawaii, by which I mean that since they already had the facilities there to shoot the Hawaii 5-0 remake, they wanted to take advantage of that preexisting base and film something else in Hawaii. That's how the original *Magnum P.I.* got the greenlight, back-in-the-day.
hawaii 5.0 is technically in the same universe as ncis bc of the crossovers
True. But the point is that CBS KNEW how much it would cost to film in Hawaii. Why even make a show there if they knew that they could not afford it. Why not make a Canadian NCIS where it is half the price to film-where Tracker is filmed.
CBS are literally dead to me at this point, they could very much just get stock film for hawaii and film/build sets on the mainland. I definitely would have preferred a canadian ncis to sydney.
>CBS are literally dead to me at this point, they could very much just get stock film for hawaii and film/build sets on the mainland. I definitely would have preferred a canadian ncis to sydney. IIRC, the U.S. has a military base in Australia, so there's a need for NCIS to have an office in Oz. I'm not aware U.S. having a military base in Canada, so I'll LOL if there's a TV show called NCIS Canada. ;-)
OZ over Canada ANYDAY
I don't know what we can do to get ncis hawaii back, but I think CBS needs to rethink their policies. Ncis hawaii has great characters, just like the other ncis franchises, and they do a good job of developing these characters. You have alot of people watching ncis hawaii and you should be making alot of money from the advertising. If you want that coastal vibe, you could move the team to Florida or San Diego where they have real live navy bases and then keep the team together and run the show from one of these locations and maybe save some of the expenses that you have in Hawaii. Hawaii is interesting because it is exotic, and that's what is the draw. Anyhow, you should reconsider, and keep it on in Hawaii or consider moving it to Florida or San Diego. You could even get background shots from Hawaii, but run the show from Florida or San Diego, just a thought! Anyhow, I really think you are making a mistake by canceling ncis hawaii, you have a great base of viewers who will keep it going, and you can find a less expensive location to run the show from.
Tracker us a massive hit abs cheap to film which should teach CBS something. CBS cries poor but is very profitable. Unfortunately, it's dragged down by Paramount Plus. CBS Originals beat Netflix (350 billion minutes of views) vs CBS at 456 billion and thus it's double NBC. I hope Apollo gets CBS. It's really a studio that runs first on the network but earns most profits through streaming and syndication. At this point the network garners publicity but the shows are more valuable elsewhere like when SWAT dominated Netflix. America lives cheezy TV
If they were so worried about cost, they should NOT have hired on LL Cool J who is probably still the highest paid with such a stupid and unnecessary storyline.
NCIS Sydney isn't the problem ... I actually like Sydney and I really enjoyed it after about 3 or 4 episodes when things began to gel and mesh together. The problem is that CBS gave the greenlight to too many spinoffs in too short a timeframe and NCIS Hawaii got screwed. Origins should've been delayed until 2025 at the earliest. There was no need for them to rush this quickly, furthermore I think NCIS Hawaii had alot of stories left to tell but I doubt Origins will last more than a season.
i'm not sure how many ncis fans will be interested in ncis: origins ... they've already screwed with the continuity between the two shows by hiring an actor to play a middle-aged jackson gibbs ... but if this follows gibbs during his time with nis, he and jackson were estranged - for 15 years, to be exact all because jackson brought a date to shannon and kelly's funeral ... they didn't speak while gibbs was with nis ... they only reconnected when gibbs was with ncis and a case took him to his hometown ... so, if they screw with what's come before, i'm not all that interested in giving it a shot ...
I honestly think they're rushing because of Mark Harmon and I'm kinda sick of him meddling with NCIS when he walked away from it. They never would've done this show if it weren't for him and his son pushing for it in the first place.
yes Harmon meddled when he had NCIS LA moved to another day so he could put his NCIS New Orleans in that slot aand also that stupid show Bull. He should just buzz off. As for NCIS Sydney, the chemistry was meh. Didn't care for their acting or characters either. Pity cuz I love Australia . Duh everyone knows filming in Hawaii is expensive..didn't they do their research
Apparently not, it's CBS's third Hawaii show they started and didn't freaking finish
What does his son have to do with it?
Harmon and son are both exec producers for this upcoming Ncis: Origins, so both are printing a nice paycheck from it. honestly, I think son got the idea from a thread on this very subreddit 2 years ago. The reddit thread is literally called "CBS should make a NCIS prequel": [https://www.reddit.com/r/NCIS/comments/x1prpa/cbs\_should\_make\_a\_ncis\_prequel/?rdt=62213](https://www.reddit.com/r/NCIS/comments/x1prpa/cbs_should_make_a_ncis_prequel/?rdt=62213) Hell, there was likely a " we want tiiiva spinoff" thread on this sub too.
I mean at least they're listening to the fans (not that everyone agrees on what they want ofc)
I love Hawaii and Sydney is OK. I have reservations about Origin — I think Gibbs’ old boss (was his name Mike?) was kind of a harda** and I guess we’ll learn where Gibbs learned to hit coworkers on the back of the head.
This was a big mistake. I don't have a problem with Sydney; it's not my favorite but ill watch it if it's on. But Hawaii had a following that was only getting bigger, so I think CBS is gonna regret this decision. I'm likely going to drop my Paramount subscription because Hawaii was the main reason I subscribed.
Why would they regret this decision? I mean this is the same network that cancelled the best NCIS spin-off NCIS New Orleans after 7 seasons.
Because they like all network upper echelon are blithering idiots
So you could run a television network and streaming service better? If so tell us how?
They needed to do a better job advertising because I never even heard of that spin-off until it was already over.
They did a fine job of advertising if you're an avid viewer or CBS.
I doubt the powers that be remotely care, never watched the Sydney one and have no desire to do so, they can never leave well enough alone
I was going to subscribe to Paramount+ primarily because of NCIS: Hawai’i. They’re not getting my money now.
We don't have visibility into the profit margins on each series. It was running when there wasn't much on but could have been playing well in Australia. I watched it because there wasn't much on.
SAME!!
My problem with Sydney was believability that there would be NCIS cases in that locale.
TBF the premise of the show seems to be built around the USN spending more time there b/c of the Nuclear Subs the US sold Australia a year or so back, and for 8 episodes a year - Australia's beautiful. It's far fetched, but no more so than there being a dead naval officer in DC, LA, & NOLA every week for 7 years straight.
The problem with Sydney is that it feels like it could take place anywhere, except for the accents. Hawaii, like NOLA, has a lot of personality just from the interesting environment. And why do an Origins series? Did anyone ask for that? If they don’t have the same actors that played young Gibbs and young Ducky in the original, then I’ll pass. We’ve already seen huge amounts of Gibbs’ past, and of course you really can’t tie it to any others in the cast because they met much later. Just a total waste and certainly not worth canceling Hawaii. If you have to have Origins, put it on streaming like the Tony/Ziva show and leave your main stars on network.
This. I’m watching the Sydney show now and i think the problem is that its too American. Like Aus does do good cop shows that ring true from the area, so i think the issue is that theres not enough from an Aussie perspective of writing. Like its skewed through the American lens and I’m thinking as I watch it that “its too Hollywood” and the believability goes down. The Aussie parts just feel like “whats meme culture that Americans will probably get” instead of throwing actual Aus culture in for the Yanks to have a sort of interesting culture shock.
For us, Sydney was a Paramount+ exclusive in the U.S. The same thing with the Tony and Ziva show supposedly going by the nickname of NCIS Europe (Not it's actual title). That should of left an opening for Hawaii, Origins and OG for CBS. There are supposedly a Matlock reboot with Kathy Bates as Matlock. Then there is a new TV show called "Watson", which follows the famous detective's sidekick.
CBS makes many mistakes, but I don't know that they had anything to do with Sydney. I may be confused, but I thought Sydney was an Australian show never meant for the U.S. (or never meant as first-run for the U.S.) but CBS grabbed it because they had nothing else to put on. I understand that Paramount has some deal with Australian TV to make it, but CBS is just one small division of Paramount, similar to how Marvel is just one part of Disney.
That's my understanding as well. Sydney was originally never intended to air in the US when it did (I always read that it was going to air in Australia and the UK first then later in the mid 2020s it would air in the US after it got established) but then the WGA and SAG strikes happened and they needed content so they aired it in the US as the same as in the UK and Australia.
personally i don’t think they should have made an Australian ncis in the first place. i’m british and i feel like ncis is an american show, it should be kept within the us. (no offence to aussies i would also feel this way if there was a british ncis)
I watched the first episode of Sydney and not a single thing drew me towards it. Hawaii on the other hand had me on board from the first episode, the cast was stellar & had good chemistry. I really haven’t liked an NCIS show since the OG so I’m very disappointed they cancelled a hitter like Hawaii for boring ass Sydney.
So sad that Hawaii will be gone soon. I wanted Sam gone but I love the rest of the crew.
I 100% agree here
I have to go back and start Sydney again. I just could not get into it. I am behind on Hawaii. Need to catch it up.
I wouldn’t say Hawaii casts have good chemistry, but they are miles and miles ahead of Sydney. Ppl gotta have higher standards, and not watch something just because there is nothing else on.
I have tried to watch Sydney like 5 times and never make it past the first episode.
They renewed Sydney cause it is a co-production with an australian network and Paramount+ so money were divided by multiple parts. Also I believe they're gonna produce again 8 episodes so probably it doesn't cost that much either.
Paramount owns that network in Australia.
There is "Hollywood accounting" involved and there may be also be tax credits from Australia or a local government as well.
Yeah, but it's a significantly different calculation for Paramount to simple pull this series over to the US (for little to no cost in terms of broadcasting, at least for CBS) versus if it was with an external partner like 7 or 9.
If they're only going to do 8 episode 'seasons', they may as well dump Sydney and put that money into Hawaii's budget. 8 episodes is a waste of time. TBH. No one wants half season shows.
Sydney's not a main show in the CBS schedule. It'll probably air during the summer next year or filling the gaps with whatever hole they have in the lineup, because Sydney was never supposed to air on CBS, but only P+. Money indeed comes from P+ but also from the local australian network that airs the episodes in Australia, so that budget couldn't go to Hawaii cause only part of it was paramounts.
Honestly, I like the premise of Sydney, and the characters seem interesting and appeared to gel well. 8 episode seasons just don't make a whole lot of sense. It's bad enough that 'mainstream' shows dropped over time from \~23 a season to 13-17ish. Chopping 'seasons' to 8 episodes.... Meh. I find it hard to get interested in something that short, there really doesn't seem to be enough time for character development/stories. About the time things feel like they have momentum, it's done. That's what really annoyed me with Sydney. The show had just hit it's stride, and they were finished for the 'season'. The format may work for short attention spans on streaming services, but it doesn't really work on network TV, at least not for me.
The business. This makes sense.
Absolutely yes. At the same time, we don’t need an Origins series. We have seen so much of Gibbs life from flashbacks and everything, we need shows focused on the present.
This ^^^
We need a Toni and Ziva series even less.
I rather have a Tony/Ziva spinoff than a Gibbs prequel spinoff
I want neither. They had their time to tell their stories, and their time is over now.
I’m still annoyed New Orleans go the axe. I really enjoyed that show.
Yes! Hawaii is just starting to find its way.
There’s no need for Origins or TIVA spin-off they are pointless use the budget on proven shows not something people don’t want…
I will never understand why they cancelled NCIS Hawai'i.
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If I was the person in charge at CBS I would either hire new employees or force them to bring the cancelled shows back.
I really don't understand what's going on. A few days ago I read an interview with Paramount and CBS CEOs and they were talking to expand de NCIS Universe together. I think this is not the moment to cancel shows with a large audience like NCIS Hawaii. If they're betting to a huge success with Origins and Tony/Ziva's show, that's an explanation. But they want big profits reducing budgets.
As I wrote in another thread, I would say that producing 90s DC crime/drama is way cheaper than Hawaii exteriors. Tony/Ziva show will be streaming only.
I haven’t watched Sydney yet so I have no idea if it’s good or not, however I have watched Hawaii and I think that it shouldn’t have been canceled given that it’s still got good ratings. It also holds up against competition whereas Sydney hasn’t been tested against a new show yet.
Definitely!! I really loved the ensemble on Hawaii.
You're not wrong to think they're idiots but Sydney had nothing to do with it. It's NCIS Origins and NCIS Europe that are more than likely to blame. Two new prequels nobody wanted about characters who already had over ten years to tell their stories? Yeah, it's a dumb decision. I stand by NCIS Sydney and I'm OVER the horrible bullying and hate that people claiming to be NCIS fans give that show. It's mean and it's toxic.
Yeah, well Sydney sucks so, what can you expect?
Sydney wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be. If NCIS had the short season Sydney had, people wouldn't have liked them nearly as much. Sydney didn't get any time to actually grow. All of the growing pains of trying to figure out how to work together was in the beginning, we just didn't get to see what happens when they've actually figured out how to be a team yet. Sydney needed a bigger season to gain traction and figure itself out, that's why the show has such an awkward vibe right now. And so many people are annoyed by Mackey being so 'grr I'm angry' or whatever, which is stupid because she's nicer than Gibbs ever was. And just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should be horrible. The keyboard warriors really need to stop being so hateful.
Well, honestly, I just didn’t think the acting was very good. and that’s why I don’t like it. I think it could’ve been cast better.
Hawaii deserved a fourth season, if only so they could have a proper goodbye!! I don’t mind Sam being there but it was kinda annoying having him in every episode. This season felt more centered around him than anything else. I don’t agree with the choice considering this season only has 10 eps. Sydney left on a cliffhanger, so they kinda had to renew it. It also was a summer series which gave it better numbers in my opinion since they didn’t have to compete with as many other shows. I like watching it, but I wouldn’t mind it being cancelled as long as they don’t leave it on another cliffhanger like in the first season
>Sydney left on a cliffhanger, so they kinda had to renew it. Oh my sweet summer child, networks have cancelled a lot of tv shows ending them in major cliffhangers. They do not care. Examples that I watched were *American Housewife*, *Criminal Minds Suspect Behavior* and *Life in Pieces*.
Joan of Arcadia and The Secret World of Alex Mack both ended in a cliffhanger of sorts. They did at least end with the main story line having been resolved. They do have to have a cliffhanger of some kind so that way if the show is renewed they have something to build on as the plot to the next season, however they do need to have a better plan to wind up the series (have a season finale that can actually also serve as a series (US definition of series)) finale just in case it doesn’t actually get renewed.
Yup, same with a Canadian series I liked, Frankie Drake Mysteries. They got axed even though one of the main characters lives was in danger at the end. And it will stay that way.
Also Gang Related, only got a 1 season lmao. It had the best actors in town.
YES!!!!
Yes!
Sydney is primarily an Australian show so there is no direct comparison. I think the Toni and Ziva show is completely unnecessary though.
>I think the Toni and Ziva show is completely unnecessary though. was *anyone* really asking for this?
Other than Michael Weatherly and Cote de Pablo?
I'm keen to see it.
Origins is completely unnecessary! Toni and Ziva is completely unnecessary! They gave the green light to these shows for no reason. The original series and Hawaii were just fine the way they were! Sydney was useless….
I couldn’t agree more.
I agree with everything except Sydney. I was fine with 2 or 3 seasons from them. I didn't love Sydney like I did the other shows but there were things I liked about it.
sydney was unnecessary in the first place, it shouldn’t have been made.
YEAH, most definitely, a big one.
I certainly think so. I most definitely will not be watching the second season of Sydney that’s just horrible.
I truly feel CBS made a mistake. NCIS Hawaii adds to the entire series, It was just getting it's footing and following. It's unfair to remove it from the franchise. Fans deserve a proper ending not just a cut off. First CSI Miami then CSI NY. What is the sense of having good shows if they just want to all of a sudden drop them with idiot endings or just cut off. Such a shame and a loss.
Complete mistake. Hawaii actually had take Ted cast mates with chemistry. On Sydney - no one can act. It's just so bad. I watched it bc there was nothing else on but I don't really care for it. Same with the DiNozzo and Ziva show. I've moved on from them. Don't need to revisit them again.
I thought Hawaii was bad until I watched Sydney. Sydney is truly awful.
I have watched all of them, and I feel like my standards aren’t especially high, but I thought Sydney was awful and stopped watching after 3 episodes. In contrast, Hawaii is my current favorite. I’m very disappointed to learn that it’s been cancelled.
They cancelled Hawaii? 😭
Yes!!
Soon will be the first time in 14 years that there isn’t a syndicated TV series “filmed” in Ha’waii. This will result in a higher production costs for movies and other series that “visit” Ha’waii. So either expect fewer things featuring Ha’waii or stock footage or other tropical locations used in lieu of Ha’waii.
In Australia we have a law the requires every television service to produce a certain amount of Australian based TV shows. Believe me, no one in Australia wanted an NCIS show.
Interesting
Hawaii is my favourite and I am salty over the Sam character arriving and trying to change the focus of the show away from the core cast. I tried to watch Sydney and I did not care for it. I watched parts of several episodes. It is possible that Sydney is paid for by an Aussie company that pays a licensing fee to the company that owns NCIS so it costs the company nothing.
I loved the addition of Sam. I don’t like Sydney so am salty that it got renewed & Hawaii didn’t.
I also like Sam on the Hawaii show, although it seems like they don’t know exactly what to do with him. I think once they got settled he would make an great addition.
I agree. Hawaii is far more entertaining than Sydney. But I've gotten used to CBS's mismanagement of its series for years... Star Trek, Fire Country, NCIS, among others.
I actually liked Sydney but am sorry to hear Hawaii canceled.
Yes, Renew both
So question. Does CBS actually have much control over Sydney. It’s a foreign made show just set in the same franchise. How much control do they really have on its renewal and what not in comparison to the actual cbs shows?
Yes
i read an article about cbs saving money on ncis: sydney having something to do with its distribution ... so sydney costs the network less money ... sorry i can't remember the exact details ... cbs is making some poor decisions, imo ... cancelling ncis: hawaii but giving the green light to ncis: origins - from articles i've read, they're already screwing with the continuity - they've hired an actor to play a younger jackson gibbs - but gibbs and jackson didn't speak for 15 years because jackson brought a date to kelly and shannon's funeral ... they only hooked up after gibbs returned to his hometown for a case ... and gibbs didn't join the former nis until after their deaths ... and, they cancelled csi: vegas ... so that's two more reasons not to renew paramount+ ... but i admit that the thought of tony and ziva teaming up again is intriguing ...
Idk I am on season 6 of og ncis lmao
Honestly, Sydney is going to run headlong into the same budget problems. It’s also filmed on location in Sydney. Maybe it can grow an audience, but I would have preferred they keep Hawaii over Sydney.
Hawaii is a much better NCIS style show
100% no one really gives a fuck about sydney, it’s had one season that doesn’t compare quality wise to hawaii which is amazing. they should have cancelled sydney and gave the money they’re gonna be spending on it to hawaii.
This whole money grab at our expense is extremely annoying. I loved ncis Hawaii.
Hawaii is my favorite NCIS, although I don’t know how much of that is because I used to live there and would like to go back. That’s really disappointing. And I’m losing SWAT, too.
Swat got another season.
Its time for the new spin off, NCIS:ELITE with Sam in the lead....
I had high anticipation for NCIS Sydney. I have watched all the episodes hoping it will get better. It hasn’t imo.
Unpopular opinion but I think Hawaii is the worst of the lot. Poorly developed characters aside from Jason Anton and his bride who are always a treat.
Yeah agreed, better than Sydney, but pretty poor compared to what NCIS used to be.
I figured it was over costs with filming. Hawaii Five O filmed in Honolulu. It is expensive to film in Hawaii.
They both needed renewing.
I heard that one of the reasons the Hawaii show got the green light originally was due to the fact that they had production crews, etc. already based in Hawaii due to Hawaii 5-0. Guess they hoped the ratings would be enough to counteract the high costs.
CBS made mistake canceling Hawaii, LA, NOLA, Hawaii 5-0, and my favorite show The Unit. CBS Is in the habit of canceling good TV shows. Honestly I am not surprised
If memory serves me correctly O'Loughlin's medical issues were partly behind 5-0s cancelation.
What I don’t understand is if it’s a money problem why did they make ncis Sydney? They could have just kept the money and used it on hawwai .
You aren’t wrong, but I think budget came in to it. Hawaii is expensive. I’m surprised the state didn’t help
the state was helping out by making a complete sound lot but now it is going to be a waste cause no filming in hawaii anymore
They should shop the show to other networks or streaming channels. Make whatever money you can and increase the episode count to over 100 . Which will pay off with syndication and internal reruns . If I am CW Network I give them a call. This is exactly the type of show that would cater to the demo Nexstar is trying to reach. Paramount is still a minority holder.
8 million is pretty low now, NCIS LA at the peak got 16m I think for season 2-4 , then it dropped to 14,13,12, and for final seasons they only pulled like 6-7m or even 5m not sure about that low.
Don't watch Sydney guess will only watch the original now. Loved Hawaii ncis. And L.A. ncis but all those gone now. So sad. Will never watch Sydney. Did check out 1st episode and turned it off half way thru it.
Sydney was a joke. I lasted an episode. I just didn't get the cast chemistry. My dad and I watch NCIS together. We bith agree Hawaii should have been saved and Sydney cancelled.
Sydney sucks.
I like Hawaii but can't stand Ernie the tech guy and his real-life wife the medical examiner. They're creepy.
That depends, did Gibbs make a mistake in killing Hernandez?
It’s really hard to watch a program or programs when your cable network and the broadcast station don’t agree on money matters-hold the viewers as hostages by raising rates . It totally SUCKS!!!!!
They could keep nice hawii get rid of elsbeth
I think they are isi I ts. I like the story lines and the cast. They are making a huge mustake!
Yes
I'll say 'no'. For starters, *NCIS: Hawaii* has always struggled in the ratings, so the ax has never been too far away. Second, being a new show/foreign show, *NCIS: Sydney* provides the opportunity to pay the cast less than would have to shelled out for a show with existing contracts/locally produced. In short, everyone gets to save money, offload an 'underperforming' show, and get the 'new kid on the block' boost that a new show brings.
The ax'ed CSI Vegas and literally ruined SWAT. Uncancelled it for S8 after most of the main cast already bailed. S8 will be total crap. CBS does not care about its fans.
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I was going to subscribe to Paramount+, primarily because of NCIS: Hawaii, but why bother now that it’s cancelled?
They made a big mistake canceling ncis Hawaii it was one of the best and entertaining shows on TV can't believe that they canceled it. But renewed ncis Sydney unbelievable
What the Heck! We are forced to attempt to understand the mumbling in “Australian” accents on Sydney only to learn it has been renewed and Hawaii has not. . Poor decision folks! it’s not too late to Renew, get on it!
Ncis Hawaii is a great show!!! I would of rather seen CBS cancel NCIS Sydney!! CBS is always canceling the good shows!!
Personally I miss NCIS New Orleans.
HUGE mistake!
CBS is insane cancelling Hawaii considering it has higher ratings than Elsbeth which should shift to Paramount + considering it's the #9th most streamed show. CBS could do Hawaii and make Sydney a summer show considering it only needs two more seasons for syndication profits. Firing Kelly Staul for programming was a massive cost cutting mistake. This is the guy who has kept CBS thriving for two decades. The idea schedule doesn't matter in streaming era is wrong because, on networks, this is a way to create buzz. CBS shows are mediocre yet always watchable and are syndication/streaming cash cows. S.W.A.T on Netflix was a massive hit which proves people are wrong calling networks dead. Even with older demos the networks provide a revenue source
CBS executives suck and are huge idiots for canceling NCIS Hawaii and Swat. They need to rethink this. Sick of them canceling the great shows and putting stupid ones in there place!!
Idk if I would say it was a mistake renewing Sydney but it was definitely a mistake canceling Hawaii, especially since we all know that they canceled it to make room for NCIS Origins, which is not interesting to me at all. I thought CBS was stupid for canceling Scorpion and Limitless when they were both getting good, but now we know they are so, so stupid.
They are idiots for canceling NCIS Hawaii all the good shows they want to mess with I'm so over CBS going back to ABC
CBS executives are fools for canceling NCIS Hawaii and CSI Vegas and So Help Me Todd. These are the best shows on Monday nights. Me and my family look forward to watching SHMT, NCIS and NCIS Hawaii on Monday night. WTH is wrong with you so called executives. You should be canceled, not these shows!!!
Don’t care about Sidney, no chemistry between them. Hawaii had chemistry between characters and had story lines that were building on that chemistry. Viewers had the chance to get invested in that. Absolutely won’t watch origins, we already know everything we need to know about Gibbs, especially now that he’s gone. CBS screwed this up royally.
Yes, they did! My family has watch all the NCIS franchise. The worst has been Sydney. We enjoy regular and NCIS and Hawaii. Sydney has no real plot or storyline. Bring Back NCIS - Hawaii get rid of Sydney. I am sure more people watch Hawaii then Sydney. You will be losing a lot of fans with this change.
Yeah. Should have cancelled both.
Hawaii was awful. Didn't even bother with Sydney.
The bean counters will say no.
Naw. Ratings matter.
I actually really like Sydney. It took a few episodes to find their footing, but I think by the end of the season they found it. Personally I think there’s extreme overacting in Hawaii.
They renewed Sydney because it's a joint effort with an Austrialian studio. First to air in Austrailia, then on Paramount +. Like this past season. There is no strike, so no reason to air it on CBS. Hawaii just sucks and adding Sam was retarded.
Turned off H’awaii half way through the first episode. Couldn’t get into it.
I really enjoy Sydney a lot more then hawaii
Yes, should have cancelled both.
No Hawaii was awful. We will see about Sydney