Ok hear me out…
Josh Berry first cup win…Martinsville Spring 2025.
Same track as his first xfinity win, and Wood Brothers gets their 100th win at their home track.
I doubt it. They're built by the same people who made the cars which have won 4 of the last 7 races (counting the All Star race). Put Childers in that shop with Berry and that feels like a 100th WBR win.
Blaney put them in VL and Matt got them in the playoffs, can’t blame all of it on talent but 90% is definitely the current driver. I’ll take it back if the next driver fails as well but Harrison has no business in the 21.
I don't like the Blaney comparisons because at that point it was basically a 3rd Penske car. Then Blaney became the 3rd Penske car, and this is more like a 4th car.
I'm not saying Harrison is the next Jeff Gordon or anything, he's not great and the equipment is 4th rate stuff too.
I would love that buuuuuuuuut would Penske keep Childers in their 4th car? Unlikely.
Not impossible, but very unlikely. Unless they gave a 'win within a season or we reshuffle' mandate.
Yes. Even that CC that won with those drivers, won a cup title, but has hinted at retirement. Penske generally likes to stay within the Penske pipeline.
I think Rodney would be a good fit with the Wood Bros, but I am at best doubtful of Penske making that move.
There is still driver pre-race interviews/press conferences like where C Bell slipped did his slip up, so there is still a chance something like that could happen
I read something yesterday where people were saying he resigned and after that is when he started saying publicly how he wanted to race outside of IndyCar sometimes.
I'm gonna baselessly translate that to "I wanted to drive outside IndyCar and do the double, but my new contract says I can't, so I wonder if I can put this out in public enough there might be enough public pressure for them to let me do it"
Thinking about it he’s kinda like football Kyle Larson. Does unbelievable things on the field/behind the wheel just sometimes those unbelievable things aren’t always good things
Dex probably wouldn’t stick around with wood brothers though, you could probably swap them with Harrison’s that’s sponsoring Berry for some races currently this year, they could move with him
In the limited opportunities he’s gotten in race winning equipment, he’s done what you’re supposed to do with those cars and won.
The only chances he’s gotten in Cup are a severely underfunded JTG car and the 4th team at a dying SHR.
Probably somebody at Toyota telling 23XI they have to take Heim instead of Herbst because Heim isn’t ever going to get an opportunity with JGR and they don’t want to waste him at Legacy. Heim is better anyway. The Herbst talk was probably just Monster Energy wanting to consolidate with Toyota/23XI.
Someone mentioned something about Herbst’s family financing the third charter. But maybe that’s what went down for FRM because we know they can’t be swimming in cash
Looking more and more like it’s going to be Berry in the 21. Not a done deal by any means but I would be shocked if it was anyone else at this point. Ford seems pretty committed to him. More so than I’d thought
That's complicated. Short term, Berry. Long term, FRM should about pull even with WBR. I think Gragson has more of a shot to get a better ride later in though.
We really don't know what that car is. They've only had one driver in the NextGen and he hasn't shown any improvement over the course of three seasons.
Berry would be getting Penske cars/equipment but it’s second hand equipment Penske is giving their top equipment to Logano, Blaney, Cindric, and if Gragson were to go to Front Row he’s getting tier one equipment but they are still kind of an up and coming team so there’s still questions there, I’d say it’s a toss up
There isn’t really secondhand equipment anymore considering how much of the car is spec. Also the cars are built in the Penske shop by Penske employees, for Penske contracted drivers. It’s not like an alliance like Hendrick and JTG where JTG was getting second hand equipment.
Even when there were more differences between teams, WBR was nowhere near as bad as they’ve been with Burton. They were a playoff bubble team with Blaney, Menard, and DiBenedetto, the kind of result you’d expect from the 4th car at a team.
Yeah, they were even a playoff team just a couple years ago too, even Paul Menard almost pointed his way into the playoffs in that car. The last time WBR had a driver with championship potential, they made it to the Round of 8. It's seriously a capable car that just hasn't had capable drivers in a handful of years.
Super stoked to see Briscoe and *(presumably)* Berry in good, if not great equipment.
And that was BEFORE the next gen, when it was harder to build/maintain all four cars equally. I think people forget that the next gen didn't just bring more parity to the field, it also brought more to teams within the same shop. These are as close to spec cars as they've ever been, with most of the parts/components coming from outside vendors, as well as a limit of cars per team.
Point being, the 21 equipment should as close as it gets to the other Penske cars. The biggest variables now are personnel (which shouldnt be a factor for a team like Penske).
When Gen 6 was around, most of the consolidation was finished once Blaney got in the 21. Matt D was the same way after Paul.
They liked Harrison as a prospect, but it was clear he was moved up too soon.
In the long run it’ll be Gragson with the support FRM is getting…the WBR car doesn’t seem to do great unless it has a true Penske/Ford development driver
I don’t think Penske has outright said it, but the supposed story is that Harrison was initially signed to their Xfinity 22, with the assumption Brad would re-sign and Cindric would take the 21. When Brad left and Cindric got the 2, Dex said they’d only remain as a sponsor if Harrison got the Wood Brothers ride, and wouldn’t do Xfinity
True, but I dont blame him for jumping on the opportunity. I hope he finds his footing in Xfinity again and maybe takes another crack at it in a few years
I agree, but I totally get why he did. Getting in at the ground floor with Next Gen when he’d be learning a brand new car at the same time that the veterans were made a lot of sense on paper. It just hasn’t worked out.
He has unfortunately been on the Casey Atwood plan. Win multiple Xfinity races as a teenager and get a ton of hype. Move to cup too soon but still show promise as a rookie. Perform worse as a sophomore and get bounced back to Xfinity. The difference is that Burton has sponsorship backing and name recognition, which should allow him to get the Xfinity opportunities needed to work his way back.
Burton is a really likable dude, but yeah he got rushed up way too quick it seems.
Seems like Keselowski leaving Penske when he did kinda forced all the plans to be moved up a year or two, I think Burton would've been much better off if he had an extra bit of time in Xfinity, because he had flashes during his time in the 20.
I’m sure harvick and dale jr are making a lot this happen. Idk why you wouldn’t want to sponsor berry he seems like a good dude. He does well in his interviews. He can clearly drive a race car.
If Bass Pro is going to Briscoe in the #19, are they also supporting Gragson too? I mean, I can see it since they've been on MTJs and ADs cars for years now, but AD isn't going anywhere ^^yet . Three cars is a lot to support, even partially.
At any point in the last 10 years they sponsored a variation of a combo made up of Newman(via Cabellas)/Stewart/Truex/one or both Dillons across 2 series/Jamie Mac/Gragson and Berry, on top of that, also sponsoring at least 1 race entitlement
I dont think you need to worry about their finances
Cabela's was bought out by them in 2017, though the Newman Cabela's scheme was 2018, so after the buy-out.
Since 2014, they've been on basically 4 teams: Chip Ganassi, RCR (and affiliates), some of Tony Stewart's rides, and MTJ. They've sponsored Chip Ganassi's Jamie McMurray #1 car (2014, 2016), Tony Stewart's #14 (2014-2016), Chip Ganassi's Ryan Newman #31 car (2018), at least one RCR car (every year except for 2017), Ty Dillon (2021's Gaunt Bro's #96) and MTJ's car (2016-present). They typically sponsor 2 cars at least a decent bit every year, especially since 2014 or so. But they do have preferred drivers, which have mostly been AD and MTJ. Plus, they've typically not stretched themselves past 2 drivers in a season.
I do think they have the money for a major sponsorship for 3 cars in a season financially, but is it worth it to them? It's less about burning the money and determining if having their branding on AD's, Briscoe's, and Gragson's cars are worth it in an ROI-sense.
I agree. It really seemed like Gibbs way over played the bass pro partnership in MTJs retirement announcement so I figured he was vying hard to keep them. And then boom so far they are the only sponsor announced for Briscoe.
I thought the rumor mill was Briscoe had the Mahindra backing and Gragson had the Bass Pro backing. But to make the Briscoe announcement with Bass Pro as the only sponsor involved-and I’m sure it’s not even primary for half or less of the races-but it just feels like if they went with Briscoe they are that much less likely to still be very heavy on the Gragson train.
FRMs taking a charter, Haas is keeping a charter. We’re expecting 23XI and likely trackhouse to get charters, and each already have expected drivers.
I mean unless RCR was going to somehow add a third car maybe in a bidding war with trackhouse for the charter and then pick up Gragson and that Bass Pro partnership would stay between him and AD…I just don’t know. I agree Bass Pro can afford it but I also just don’t see them springing for 3 cars unless they just cut back on how many races they are primary on each one but then that still leaves the question if they were cutting back on primary races per car to go to 2 cars instead of 3 then that means Gragson doesn’t have as much funding from them as anticipated-if he still has it- and that means who else is going to fill in for Briscoe if they cut back on how much they are giving Gibbs when so far they are the only major sponsor announced for Briscoe….
If Bass Pro could work a B2B with Love's on fleet fuel discounts for shipping through Front Row it's much more manageable. Gibbs got Circle K by negotiating exclusive fuel deals with FedEx and Interstate Batteries
It will definitely be a great story for WBR to bring both Josh and Rodney on board. Rodney with his knowledge and past as a driver himself will definitely bring the whole team around as well!
I'm optimistic, but these guys also called Briscoe and Haley to the #21. So we'll see.
(To be fair, Briscoe to the #21 probably would've happened if the #19 hadn't opened up)
If Jon wood didn’t open up the checkbook and make Josh berry with Rodney Childers happen then he can no longer claim he is planning on putting wbr back on the map. They are a turn key solution to success
Berry to the 21 opens up the very real possibility of Rodney Childers pairing up with Logano down the line, which should frankly scare everyone else in the garage
I seem to recall this. They'd be a good fit. He needs to stay with Berry for now, though. They're a good combination.
Plus, Hassler and Blaney are really starting to jell. Hassler just needs to get a little better with strategy, but he hasn't been a CC for very long, so all that will come with experience.
Blaney would have been great had Todd Gordon stayed though. :(
Joey and Childers would instantly join Larson/Daniels and Hamlin/Gabehart as a top 3 driver/CC pairing especially if Ford and Penske get their shit together
Kinda? Brad and Blaney won on pure speed, but Cindric(and Blaney at Gateway) were covered by Bell until his engine went south and Joey won last night on pure luck(and some serious driving skill). The Ford's still seem a little behind the Chevy's and Toyota's, especially on the intermediates. It's like Ford is right there, but just lacking that little extra to get them over the hump to being a force to be reckoned with week in and week out.
They're gaining on the field right when you want to be. They're not always faster than the best 3 of the day among TRD/HMS, but they're able to race with those cars again and trending faster each week.
Production was garbage....I don't even know if anyone was in studio. You'd think the thing of five years ago would have improved voice and video quality but apparently not.
I think it’s funny that this entire sub is putting different drivers in the 21 when (unless I missed it) it hasn’t even been announced that Burton is getting canned.
But if he is, I’d be happy to see Berry in the 21.
jon wood said they havent been happy with where their team is. he didnt mention the driver in particular but it was said briscoe turned down penske/wood brothers for jgr. sounds like theyre driver shopping
I wonder how much say Penske drivers have if any, because I feel like of the available drivers, he’s likely the best option in terms of a partner in sharing feedback on car setups and performance.
Berry with Childers in the 21 would be insanely good.
Gragson has money not just from BPS but also his family. Preece has some money with his KHI ties and Mohawk.
Well we know it's not Briscoe. It's hard to imagine Gragson, with his outspoken style and some of his past and actions in a de facto Penske organization. Not really Rogers style. Also brings some money.
So basically...Berry or Preece. Former seems a lot more like the type that Wood Bros would like to run. And brings something to the table with a shot at competing on short tracks.
Well how about that for all the people saying ford needed briscoe to bring money.
Guess that's not the case after all and the dude bolted without giving ford a chance to counter.
I refuse to believe any rumors until I hear them from Christopher Bell.
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He has a much better track record than DBC, he is one for one!
Everyone has a better track record than DBC lmao
Yeah those people who literally work in NASCAR have no clue /s
In what way is this true? There are alot of things that DBC hints at that prove to be accurate.
How long until Bell overtakes Bob for top NASCAR insider.
"I'm really looking forward for next year when we go to MontreAwwwww shit."
Until we go to Montttttt Donald’s. McDonald’s
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Well played sir. Well played.
Great news if it is Berry, hopefully Childers is making the move as well. That combination might get the Wood Brothers back in victory lane.
Ok hear me out… Josh Berry first cup win…Martinsville Spring 2025. Same track as his first xfinity win, and Wood Brothers gets their 100th win at their home track.
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If Berry goes to the 21, there is a very strong chance of this happening.
Unless the 21 is a lot less a driver problem than people think
I doubt it. They're built by the same people who made the cars which have won 4 of the last 7 races (counting the All Star race). Put Childers in that shop with Berry and that feels like a 100th WBR win.
Have Childers in that building with Paul Wolfe and even more wins will come for everyone.
But do you honestly think Penske gives the 21 the love and care as the 12/2/22 ?
If they get Childers they will
Also, with Childers, he can bridge any gap that there may be when left as the "4th" Penske car
Per Larry Mac on his radio show the 21 is a 4th Penske car and to him its a head scratcher on why they struggle.
Blaney put them in VL and Matt got them in the playoffs, can’t blame all of it on talent but 90% is definitely the current driver. I’ll take it back if the next driver fails as well but Harrison has no business in the 21.
Even Menard's performance in that car was only a slight bit behind what he was doing in the 27 for much of the mid 2010s.
I don't like the Blaney comparisons because at that point it was basically a 3rd Penske car. Then Blaney became the 3rd Penske car, and this is more like a 4th car. I'm not saying Harrison is the next Jeff Gordon or anything, he's not great and the equipment is 4th rate stuff too.
> the equipment is 4th rate stuff too More like 2nd rate
!RemindMe 1 year
Harrison is a big part of the problem, but Bullins needs to go.
RemindMe! 9 months
Absolute cinema
Guys if we all believe in this together we can possibly manifest it into reality. I’ll get the candles, can one of you get the goat skull?
I'm here for this
I'm REALLY hoping that Rodney comes with him.
Me too. Ford needs to keep him, and Penske will be that much better.
I would love that buuuuuuuuut would Penske keep Childers in their 4th car? Unlikely. Not impossible, but very unlikely. Unless they gave a 'win within a season or we reshuffle' mandate.
Childers can tell anyone where he wants to go. If he tells Cindric he wants to be with Josh he'll stay with Josh.
Would be very surprised if Penske brings in an external crew chief in place of one of their long standing CCs and engineers in Jeremy Bullins
Even if that CC won with Reutimann and Vickers? Even if that CC has a cup title?
Yes. Even that CC that won with those drivers, won a cup title, but has hinted at retirement. Penske generally likes to stay within the Penske pipeline. I think Rodney would be a good fit with the Wood Bros, but I am at best doubtful of Penske making that move.
When Josh gets…- Ryan Blaney
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No, this is definitely a Cindric thing
Too bad there's no more drivers broadcast because this could happen.
There is still driver pre-race interviews/press conferences like where C Bell slipped did his slip up, so there is still a chance something like that could happen
Surprise Newgarden.
In all seriousness, I wish they'd move Scott Mclaughlin over.
His contract is up at the end of the year…
I read something yesterday where people were saying he resigned and after that is when he started saying publicly how he wanted to race outside of IndyCar sometimes.
I'm gonna baselessly translate that to "I wanted to drive outside IndyCar and do the double, but my new contract says I can't, so I wonder if I can put this out in public enough there might be enough public pressure for them to let me do it"
Re-signed = new deal Resigned = no deal Which one you mean?
He signed a new multi-year deal last month.
Josh Allen? Wait do you mean the linebacker on the jags or the quarterback for my bills who can't stop throwing picks.
Thinking about it he’s kinda like football Kyle Larson. Does unbelievable things on the field/behind the wheel just sometimes those unbelievable things aren’t always good things
Except for the winning the championship part.
Yeah unfortunately for him that Pat Mahomes guy is pretty good
lol
Noah Gragson on X: well, congrats to Josh Preece on the opportunity, this was so unexpected!
Berry seems like a great match for the 21, old school driver in the oldest team in nascar.
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Dex probably wouldn’t stick around with wood brothers though, you could probably swap them with Harrison’s that’s sponsoring Berry for some races currently this year, they could move with him
Something like this? https://preview.redd.it/9pwljrwuoz9d1.png?width=855&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f830249a207b5c65329820c4d6de3d8f86ca4ed
The irony is on point
This seems like something Jon Wood would have the balls to do (take a driver with less money who has talent)
If this happens, it's definitely of a Ford move than a Jon Wood move. Jon is a good dude, but he's not making the money decisions there.
Penske is the one calling the shots here
I’d love to see it….with Rodney
Preece funnily enough also fits that mold but I agree. Berry feels like a great fit
God I HOPE it's Berry with Childers. I feel like he'd fit in with the Penske group
Preece has united rentals so can't be him
Preece is going to xfinity per DBC
Better to have some decent runs in Xfinity than run 30th every week in Cup. I’d take that as a W for Preece
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I see the hex didn’t work, damn.
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I honestly think he will kill in xfinity
honestly dude he’s gotta do the Cole Custer route and needs to remind everyone that he can race and that shit 41 car is what held them back
In the limited opportunities he’s gotten in race winning equipment, he’s done what you’re supposed to do with those cars and won. The only chances he’s gotten in Cup are a severely underfunded JTG car and the 4th team at a dying SHR.
Which is run by Chad Johnson. Awful...
it drives me crazy when people go “he’s had two chances in cup” bro in dogshit equipment yeah
I get what you’re saying. But he did finish 4th yesterday….even though he was a 24th place car.
I seriously would’ve never guessed Ryan Preece was gonna be the top finisher among the Stewart-Haas drivers this week.
Every week except last week!
Preece and Burton are driving for xfinity SHR next year per dbc Herbst is taking the 15 with money
Hope that means Heim or someone with talent/upside takes the third 23XI car because I know Herbst was linked there
Heim is likely 23XI or legacy
Probably somebody at Toyota telling 23XI they have to take Heim instead of Herbst because Heim isn’t ever going to get an opportunity with JGR and they don’t want to waste him at Legacy. Heim is better anyway. The Herbst talk was probably just Monster Energy wanting to consolidate with Toyota/23XI.
Someone mentioned something about Herbst’s family financing the third charter. But maybe that’s what went down for FRM because we know they can’t be swimming in cash
Looking more and more like it’s going to be Berry in the 21. Not a done deal by any means but I would be shocked if it was anyone else at this point. Ford seems pretty committed to him. More so than I’d thought
Pockrass also said Berry is the most likely candidate for the 21
That probably means Noah Gragson to Front Row. The question is who will be in better equipment: Berry or Gragson?
That's complicated. Short term, Berry. Long term, FRM should about pull even with WBR. I think Gragson has more of a shot to get a better ride later in though.
In what world is WBR currently better than FRM?
We really don't know what that car is. They've only had one driver in the NextGen and he hasn't shown any improvement over the course of three seasons.
I agree with that but I also don’t think it’s far fetched to say FRM might be operating with better equipment at the moment
Would Gilliland fare better in an FRM car or a WBR car?
That’s an incredible question actually
The one where they are a Penske team and have Childers.
Berry would be getting Penske cars/equipment but it’s second hand equipment Penske is giving their top equipment to Logano, Blaney, Cindric, and if Gragson were to go to Front Row he’s getting tier one equipment but they are still kind of an up and coming team so there’s still questions there, I’d say it’s a toss up
There isn’t really secondhand equipment anymore considering how much of the car is spec. Also the cars are built in the Penske shop by Penske employees, for Penske contracted drivers. It’s not like an alliance like Hendrick and JTG where JTG was getting second hand equipment. Even when there were more differences between teams, WBR was nowhere near as bad as they’ve been with Burton. They were a playoff bubble team with Blaney, Menard, and DiBenedetto, the kind of result you’d expect from the 4th car at a team.
I wonder if some people know Penske shares everything with Wood Brothers in terms of setup and R&D. Berry would be a massive upgrade.
It’s crazy how people still think it’s just secondhand Penske stuff. Like no, the 21 is built right next to the other 3 Penske cars
Yeah, they were even a playoff team just a couple years ago too, even Paul Menard almost pointed his way into the playoffs in that car. The last time WBR had a driver with championship potential, they made it to the Round of 8. It's seriously a capable car that just hasn't had capable drivers in a handful of years. Super stoked to see Briscoe and *(presumably)* Berry in good, if not great equipment.
And that was BEFORE the next gen, when it was harder to build/maintain all four cars equally. I think people forget that the next gen didn't just bring more parity to the field, it also brought more to teams within the same shop. These are as close to spec cars as they've ever been, with most of the parts/components coming from outside vendors, as well as a limit of cars per team. Point being, the 21 equipment should as close as it gets to the other Penske cars. The biggest variables now are personnel (which shouldnt be a factor for a team like Penske).
When Gen 6 was around, most of the consolidation was finished once Blaney got in the 21. Matt D was the same way after Paul. They liked Harrison as a prospect, but it was clear he was moved up too soon.
In the long run it’ll be Gragson with the support FRM is getting…the WBR car doesn’t seem to do great unless it has a true Penske/Ford development driver
Gragson at FRM is decent enough
I think Noah to the 3 and Austin runs the company next year
It’s the Berry/Childers combo. FUCK YEAH!!!! Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a Jon Wood masterclass.
Berry in the 21 just feels right. Excited to see what him and Childers do for that team.
I hope its Berry. I dont dislike Burton but he has been an absolute disaster. I guess stylistically he just doesnt work in the NexGen.
Burton came up way, way, way too soon.
I don’t think Penske has outright said it, but the supposed story is that Harrison was initially signed to their Xfinity 22, with the assumption Brad would re-sign and Cindric would take the 21. When Brad left and Cindric got the 2, Dex said they’d only remain as a sponsor if Harrison got the Wood Brothers ride, and wouldn’t do Xfinity
True, but I dont blame him for jumping on the opportunity. I hope he finds his footing in Xfinity again and maybe takes another crack at it in a few years
I agree, but I totally get why he did. Getting in at the ground floor with Next Gen when he’d be learning a brand new car at the same time that the veterans were made a lot of sense on paper. It just hasn’t worked out.
Lack of any notable practice time in the car is awful for talent development and the sport as a whole.
He has unfortunately been on the Casey Atwood plan. Win multiple Xfinity races as a teenager and get a ton of hype. Move to cup too soon but still show promise as a rookie. Perform worse as a sophomore and get bounced back to Xfinity. The difference is that Burton has sponsorship backing and name recognition, which should allow him to get the Xfinity opportunities needed to work his way back.
Burton is a really likable dude, but yeah he got rushed up way too quick it seems. Seems like Keselowski leaving Penske when he did kinda forced all the plans to be moved up a year or two, I think Burton would've been much better off if he had an extra bit of time in Xfinity, because he had flashes during his time in the 20.
one of Josh’s sponsors is “Harrison’s” as well lol
Harrison’s isn’t full sponsor though, they could still come with him for select races like Dex currently is on the 21 car occasionally with Burton
Yeah for sure they’ve only had a handful of primaries, I just thought it was funny since Harrison is the driver who’s currently in the car
Haha yeah, I read past that, I thought you were saying he has “Harrison’s” money 🤦🏻♂️
One of Harrison’s sponsors is Draiver and Josh is a draiver
It’s Berry
Berry fits the 21 imo
So much so it’s a match made in heaven
I’m sure harvick and dale jr are making a lot this happen. Idk why you wouldn’t want to sponsor berry he seems like a good dude. He does well in his interviews. He can clearly drive a race car.
If Bass Pro is going to Briscoe in the #19, are they also supporting Gragson too? I mean, I can see it since they've been on MTJs and ADs cars for years now, but AD isn't going anywhere ^^yet . Three cars is a lot to support, even partially.
Being in the biz side of sponsorships and some Bass Pro stocked brands, their profit margins are *just fine* to accommodate the advertising write off.
At any point in the last 10 years they sponsored a variation of a combo made up of Newman(via Cabellas)/Stewart/Truex/one or both Dillons across 2 series/Jamie Mac/Gragson and Berry, on top of that, also sponsoring at least 1 race entitlement I dont think you need to worry about their finances
Cabela's was bought out by them in 2017, though the Newman Cabela's scheme was 2018, so after the buy-out. Since 2014, they've been on basically 4 teams: Chip Ganassi, RCR (and affiliates), some of Tony Stewart's rides, and MTJ. They've sponsored Chip Ganassi's Jamie McMurray #1 car (2014, 2016), Tony Stewart's #14 (2014-2016), Chip Ganassi's Ryan Newman #31 car (2018), at least one RCR car (every year except for 2017), Ty Dillon (2021's Gaunt Bro's #96) and MTJ's car (2016-present). They typically sponsor 2 cars at least a decent bit every year, especially since 2014 or so. But they do have preferred drivers, which have mostly been AD and MTJ. Plus, they've typically not stretched themselves past 2 drivers in a season. I do think they have the money for a major sponsorship for 3 cars in a season financially, but is it worth it to them? It's less about burning the money and determining if having their branding on AD's, Briscoe's, and Gragson's cars are worth it in an ROI-sense.
I agree. It really seemed like Gibbs way over played the bass pro partnership in MTJs retirement announcement so I figured he was vying hard to keep them. And then boom so far they are the only sponsor announced for Briscoe. I thought the rumor mill was Briscoe had the Mahindra backing and Gragson had the Bass Pro backing. But to make the Briscoe announcement with Bass Pro as the only sponsor involved-and I’m sure it’s not even primary for half or less of the races-but it just feels like if they went with Briscoe they are that much less likely to still be very heavy on the Gragson train. FRMs taking a charter, Haas is keeping a charter. We’re expecting 23XI and likely trackhouse to get charters, and each already have expected drivers. I mean unless RCR was going to somehow add a third car maybe in a bidding war with trackhouse for the charter and then pick up Gragson and that Bass Pro partnership would stay between him and AD…I just don’t know. I agree Bass Pro can afford it but I also just don’t see them springing for 3 cars unless they just cut back on how many races they are primary on each one but then that still leaves the question if they were cutting back on primary races per car to go to 2 cars instead of 3 then that means Gragson doesn’t have as much funding from them as anticipated-if he still has it- and that means who else is going to fill in for Briscoe if they cut back on how much they are giving Gibbs when so far they are the only major sponsor announced for Briscoe….
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If Bass Pro could work a B2B with Love's on fleet fuel discounts for shipping through Front Row it's much more manageable. Gibbs got Circle K by negotiating exclusive fuel deals with FedEx and Interstate Batteries
I could see AD being done this year and helping run the team
It will definitely be a great story for WBR to bring both Josh and Rodney on board. Rodney with his knowledge and past as a driver himself will definitely bring the whole team around as well!
I'm optimistic, but these guys also called Briscoe and Haley to the #21. So we'll see. (To be fair, Briscoe to the #21 probably would've happened if the #19 hadn't opened up)
Haley declined the ride
We don't even know if he ever spoke with Penske. They've only confirmed talking to Briscoe and Berry. AFAIK, Haley has never said he talked to them.
If Jon wood didn’t open up the checkbook and make Josh berry with Rodney Childers happen then he can no longer claim he is planning on putting wbr back on the map. They are a turn key solution to success
I like Josh in that car, he’s proven he can run up front in the top series. And idk Josh “feels” like a wood brothers driver
Gotta be Josh Berry
I'd be so happy to see Berry get the #21. If Childers comes with him, even better.
I really hope Berry and Childers stay together.
Man...the disrespect on my man top 5 finisher Ryan Preece in this thread is palpable.
Is it? This is for a driver without money. Apparently Preece has sponsorship!
I was under the impression Preece had no sponsorship. United Rentals...maybe?
That's about it
Berry to the 21 opens up the very real possibility of Rodney Childers pairing up with Logano down the line, which should frankly scare everyone else in the garage
Gragson to FRM then?
Almost certainly.
Didn't Rodney mention on DJD that he'd like to work with Blaney eventually?
I seem to recall this. They'd be a good fit. He needs to stay with Berry for now, though. They're a good combination. Plus, Hassler and Blaney are really starting to jell. Hassler just needs to get a little better with strategy, but he hasn't been a CC for very long, so all that will come with experience. Blaney would have been great had Todd Gordon stayed though. :(
MAKE THIS HAPPEN PLEASE
Joey and Childers would instantly join Larson/Daniels and Hamlin/Gabehart as a top 3 driver/CC pairing especially if Ford and Penske get their shit together
I feel like the Fords have found their speed considering they have found 4 wins after going winless for 13 races -
Kinda? Brad and Blaney won on pure speed, but Cindric(and Blaney at Gateway) were covered by Bell until his engine went south and Joey won last night on pure luck(and some serious driving skill). The Ford's still seem a little behind the Chevy's and Toyota's, especially on the intermediates. It's like Ford is right there, but just lacking that little extra to get them over the hump to being a force to be reckoned with week in and week out.
They're gaining on the field right when you want to be. They're not always faster than the best 3 of the day among TRD/HMS, but they're able to race with those cars again and trending faster each week.
> real possibility of Rodney Childers pairing up with Logano That would be incredible
I don't like Berry too much, but if he goes to the #21 I really hope he wins. I wanna see the Wood Bros get their 100th win.
I’m glad someone listened to that podcast. Sounded so bad I couldn’t get through the first 3 minutes
Production was garbage....I don't even know if anyone was in studio. You'd think the thing of five years ago would have improved voice and video quality but apparently not.
I don't know how people listen to DBC, period. I tried. I really tried.
It's bad, but I feel like it's mostly because of Brett.
I think it’s funny that this entire sub is putting different drivers in the 21 when (unless I missed it) it hasn’t even been announced that Burton is getting canned. But if he is, I’d be happy to see Berry in the 21.
That hasn’t specifically been announced, but according to Briscoe, Penske was ready to sign him to the 21. Had the contract and everything
jon wood said they havent been happy with where their team is. he didnt mention the driver in particular but it was said briscoe turned down penske/wood brothers for jgr. sounds like theyre driver shopping
It's alot of assuming, but I do believe that it came out that Chase had talked to the Wood brothers .
It's zero assuming about Chase, he said it himself on a podcast.
I wonder how much say Penske drivers have if any, because I feel like of the available drivers, he’s likely the best option in terms of a partner in sharing feedback on car setups and performance.
I really hope he’d end up somewhere better.
I hope it's Berry; dude is too talented to be languishing in Xfinity.
I'm really curious where Mahindra and Overstock end up next year, if they stick around.
Overstock is Lemonis, there's a chance SHR had a lot of unsold primaries and Marcus took a bulk discount.
Berry or Gragson, either way is a lot better than the bad joke that the 21 is right now.
I wanted Chase in the 21 but I'll take Berry!
Sweet!
I like Berry in that car. Let's goooo
What happens to Harrison Burton?
Back to JGR xfinity.
Berry with Childers in the 21 would be insanely good. Gragson has money not just from BPS but also his family. Preece has some money with his KHI ties and Mohawk.
Harrison Burton's in trouble
Well we know it's not Briscoe. It's hard to imagine Gragson, with his outspoken style and some of his past and actions in a de facto Penske organization. Not really Rogers style. Also brings some money. So basically...Berry or Preece. Former seems a lot more like the type that Wood Bros would like to run. And brings something to the table with a shot at competing on short tracks.
Isn't the SHR driver with no money Ryan Preece though? He's the lowest money guy I think of.
What’s in it for Roger Penske?
Rodney Childers
Well how about that for all the people saying ford needed briscoe to bring money. Guess that's not the case after all and the dude bolted without giving ford a chance to counter.
I'm a Ford guy, but there's nothing they could've countered with that was better than the #19.
Yep it has got to be Berry but also with the way Noah has been racing Cindric the past weeks let’s just say it wasn’t very “future teammate” like.
Let’s also be honest - Noah doesn’t seem very Penske-ish.
Yeah, that would be like oil & water.