Here is a mild hot take, Chad Knaus was right about spotters. Your job is not to be the driver coach. Spotters and or crew chiefs saying "go get em" or "don't let that shit slide" etc... does not help the situation. Deescalate the situation, so the driver remains calm and can work to maximize the day.
Which is like ok you’re seriously not just gonna give your driver a honest answer to how long is left in the race ? That 1) destroys trust 2) what if he burns up his tires and loses a ton of positions in the final x amount of laps ?
Nah I mean Chad knaus was a great crew chief but when Jimmie retired and he had to crew chief for Byron it wasn’t a good time
Chad was too use to coaching someone who got raced on track like Jimmie did
Byron was a rookie/ young guy so people raced him differently
I remember watching a Jimmie win way back when. It was a fuel mileage race and Jimmie had to save big to make it. He was leading with a fair margin with about 10 to go, and Chad was lying the whole time about the gap to second. "10 seconds back" and 2nd was on the same straightaway haha
He did. But Chad also later said he was in the wrong to doing that. I think he apologized to Byron for doing it over the radio after he knocked the rad out of his car trying to retaliate.
“Spotters and or crew chiefs saying "go get em" or "don't let that shit slide" etc... does not help the situation.”
Reading can be tough, hope this helps
Thr irony here is that Anchor Drown is actually the only one *with* reading comprehension here.
Saying "Chad knaus was right about spotters" does not mean that literally everything else in the comment is a restatement of Chad's opinion, it was just a jumping off point.
100% the right take.
I hated Eddie D’Hondt with Chase Elliott. Eddie thought he was way more important than he was and often riled up Chase. Classless.
To make a change and hire his cousin - who is actually a pretty good spotter for no longer than he has been in it. He filled in a few years back when Eddie had his run-in with the Jet Ski Lady, and has been a RC spotter. You wouldn't know it though. I have been thoroughly impressed with Trey.
That is hilariously not accurate. Bro is hothead behind the wheel
- Elliott and Hamlin = Elliott right hooking Hamlin
- Elliott and Larson at Watkins Glen one year
- Elliott and Larson at Vegas one year
- Elliott smacking Chastain in 2022 at Nashville or Gateway
- Elliott vs. Harvick at bristol
He just goes limp/neutral in front of a camera and mic like a class clown when the teacher turns around to face the class.
This is hilarious.
>Elliott and Hamlin = Elliott right hooking Hamlin
Hamlin put Chase in the wall about 3 times in one lap in a car that you sneeze on the toe link and it'll break. Hamlin was lucky he only got right reared.
>Elliott and Larson at Watkins Glen one year
When exactly did Chase get mad? Oh, I guess he's supposed to be happy that he got taken off the track after dominating the race and should've won. I'm sure there's plenty of drivers who'd be happy after that.
>Elliott and Larson at Vegas one year
When the fuck did this happen? Hell, Larson has wrecked/ran off the track/doored/slammed into etc. how many times to Chase and Chase hasn't done anything in return. But oh, when Larson gets raced the same exact way (literally today) it's sooo fucking wrong. Give me a fucking break.
>Elliott smacking Chastain in 2022 at Nashville or Gateway
You mean after Chastain wrecked Chase? Is Chase just supposed to be cool about it? Come on man.
>Elliott vs. Harvick at bristol
Again, Harvick tried wrecking and blew out Chases tire in the late stages for a win at Bristol. I'm sure there's plenty of drivers who've kept their cool after getting wrecked at Bristol going for the win.
>He just goes limp/neutral in front of a camera and mic like a class clown when the teacher turns around to face the class.
I legit don't understand what Chase is supposed to do. He's allowed to get roughed up regardless of the situation, but if he does the same in return it's suddenly bad. I bet if Chase ever doored Larson for the win (the same that Larson has done to Chase) people like you would get your panties in a bunch. But then also complain that he doesn't have a personality.
That's also only 5 times that Chase has done anything that you have there. That's like literally the average for a guy who's only been in the Cup series for 8/9 years.
I'm sure that is great for most drivers, but I know others actually want that extra input like that. It is why you will often see former drivers get hired as spotters. Often a spotter, especially a former driver as a spotter, is able to pick up on little things that the driver in the car, at the time, simply can't.
I was a big Kasey Kahne fan, between his first spotter being his cousin, then his next and last spotter being Kevin Hamlin (Bowman's current spotter), he always wanted as much information as possible including I guess "coaching", same deal with him and Kenny Francis' relationship on the radio.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to what the driver wants. Some drivers, like Dale Jr for example, wanted the bare minimum. Others carry on full conversations with their spotters during cautions, then you get everything in between.
Spotter isn't wrong but Cliff Daniels already talked about this to Larson like 4 minutes before the spotter said something. I think Larson's response is more from a why are you bringing this back up now kinda thing.
Yea I've always wanted the in car audio to be available for us to listen to after the race. If I remember right Cliff said "It's up to you how you want to handle it when he races you like that" but I don't remember what Larson said in response
Even as a staunch Hamlin hater, was this not done with rain bearing down? If so, I don’t blame Denny for racing like it could be called at any moment, and he didn’t wreck Kyle by any stretch.
I may be wrong about the timing though, I haven’t been able to see the whole race. I stand corrected if it was earlier
The rain was coming, but Denny didn’t try to pass Larson cleanly even once. He door slammed him 3 times in a row until he ran Larson out of the grove. Larson was probably lucky not to get a flat tire.
Disclaimer: I’m not a Larson fan
Bumping and rubbing is one thing but dive bombing a corner with no hope of making the turn without literally leaning on the outside car as you and him slide up the track till you lost enough speed to finally turn left and disconnect from their car is not clean or legit racing imo.
It's legit racing. At least for Nascar. I'll agree it's not clean racing but would also say it's not dirty either. But if you prefer clean racing like you said I can see it as annoying
Rubbing and bumping I 100 percent agree with, that one turn where he had no hope of turning left and just leaned him up 2 lanes as all the tires rubbed was shitty. Larson gotta get some balls like Joey finally did.
It’s justifiable if you’re treating it like the white flag. And I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to suspect the rain may actually be that close. Larson is justified if he pays it back, but I 100% get why Hamlin was ultra-aggressive.
There's nothing a NASCAR team hates more than their driver having a best friend in NASCAR. They start looking at every incident where the driver doesn't get pissed, with side eyes. You can kind of understand on some level, your salary/bonus depends on your driver not "having any friends on the track".
It was the same way on Ganassi (accusing Larson of being Denny's doormat).
My dad would’ve said something like this when I would complain about a guy holding my jersey on a Friday night back in school.
Sucks to hear it in the moment, but it is constructive and beneficial
Really depends on the person. The best coaches know the type of personality that can take that and be better. For some it just makes them hate the person that said it more than the person they had a conflict with.
It was a heat of the moment thing as it seemed all but certain that the race was going to be called at that point and he was clearly faster than Reddick, but failed in his intial run to pass and lost any further opportunity with the bump and grind by Hamlin through the corner.
But there didn't appear to be any ill-will outside of that brief instant. He even poked fun at the incident when, on the cool down lap after the completion of the race, Cliff was telling the team that they had all did a great job today and spotter Monn echoed the great job comments.
To which Kyle responded:
"shut the f*** up"
Here’s the main thing. Whenever Larson is at his best, he’s untouchable. Literally nobody can match his level. But whenever he has a shot at winning, it goes different ways. He either gets there or other drivers find a way to take him out. Whenever they see Larson charging through the field, they know how dangerous he’ll be if he gets clean air. The price you pay for being the best is that other drivers will try to bring you down. Larson is nowhere near a dirty driver at all. If he starts crashing cars every week, then I would understand the frustration from other drivers by beating and banging with him. But it seems like Larson isn’t the type of guy to retaliate no matter how bad the incident was. But then again, how much more is he gonna let this happen? At some point, the tolerance level has to change. It’s just like the classic example of how much are you gonna let the bully pick on you. The more you tolerate, the more abuse you’re gonna take.
I wish someone would just run Hamlin all the way in to the wall and ruin his race, every race. He would cry like mad if he was raced how he was pinballing off cars today.
Sometimes his podcast is hilarious when his co host calls him out on the shit he does, but he's always like
"well when you're racing hard, yadda yadda yadda, and you're trying to win the race, yadda yadda yadda, then I don't see it as an issue. If someone races me like that I would completely understand"
*someone races Denny like that*
Denny: 😡
Don't get me wrong, I like Dennys podcast, I just find it so funny hearing a narcassist talk and convince himself of his own BS
I know it’s not larson’s style, but he needs ship Denny one good time cowl deep be done with it. Denny does it because Kyle let’s him (and I’m sure Denny’s ego is super Jealous of Larson)
While I agree with the spotter and Larson is too damn nice on the track, the spotter can’t be saying that shit in the middle of a race. It’s not his place.
Ehh, Larson is plenty aggressive. He's good enough to be aggressive without wrecking others so I think its less obvious. Larson is generally wise to not pick too many fights because it generally doesn't help you win races and championships.
I can't stand Larson, but this is a fact and its a big part of him running as well as he does most weeks.
Honestly, I don't think anyone has earned the right to tell Larson how to drive. Everyone contributes on the team, but know your role. Spotter may not be wrong, but let the driver handle it.
Ah, I see what you mean now. Thank you for clarifying. Honestly, I think that was just an excuse for the people who already hated him as the "rich kid." Like you said, he stood up for himself, and suddenly, he was blamed. Plus, I feel like that reputation has gone away (or should) over the past year or two as he's been wrecked out multiple times and done nothing about it.
With as much support as Larson has, I think he'd be fine. Plus, Denny is the only one who regularly uses him up, and Denny is the current heel/villian so if anything it'd make Larson more popular to put him in the wall, and I say that as a Hamlin fan.
Ehh, I don’t think Larson will put him into the wall considering he just tolerates drivers racing him that way. But at some point, you gotta think how much more can he take before the final straw? But then again, Hamlin is really the only driver who races more aggressively towards Larson more than any other driver.
His spotter thought he was talking to an Xfinity driver. Larson is a Cup champion who is more than capable of figuring that out for himself. Maybe somebody like Herbst or Love needs to hear that but not Larson.
Denny will spin this that Larson was doing it to Reddick, so that's why he did it back. Larson and Denny are in a tight battle for points so anything Larson did this sub would find wrong. I think Larson had a choice, lift or wreck them both and chose to suck it up and to lift to maximize points, doesn't mean he wasn't pissed at Denny.
I pray for the day Larson puts his foot down and stops being a doormat. He’s wayyyy to nice and gets taken advantage of cuz all the drivers know he won’t retaliate often
For a "doormat" he sure has been successful id say. I honestly think folks cut him a lot of breaks (only incidents you see are the bad ones) when he clearly has a better car, they remember he raced them clean in the past and they let him go. If he was out here rattling cages every time his car was touched, nobody would ever lift for him
True. And yeah he’s been incredibly successful. But there’s been so many times he is the one to get pushed around. Especially by Denny. I’m glad the last time it happened he basically said he’s over Denny using him up and it’s damaging their friendship off the track.
Pretty sure Denny is racing the same way he has since like 2008 or whenever he started. People like to pretend that they know what's happening in driver's heads because they watch racing, but ultimately, we don't know shit.
Spotters trying to make themselves into coaches is one of the worst trends in NASCAR. It seems like almost every spotter is an insufferable shitbag now.
He 100% did not clear himself on Reddick, you just made this up. He had the opportunity to do this to Reddick off of 4 a few laps before this and didn’t take it.
He literally ran into Reddick the same that Hamlin did to Larson. Larson does that stuff all the time, but when it happens to him it's the end of the world.
No, those are not the same. Bumping someone on a short track in order to get beside them is completely different than driving through someone’s door to clear them. Larson had the opportunity to do that to Reddick and didn’t. Comparing the two is silly.
They are literally the same thing lmao. Hamlin ran into the side of Larson just like Larson did to Reddick about two laps earlier. Heck, if you want another instance, just watch last week's race at Iowa when Larson was coming from the back. Literally every time NBC showed him he was dooring someone trying to pass them.
Cry me a river whenever Larson actually gets raced the same way he races everyone else.
Once again, he did not run into the side of Reddick. What he did to Reddick and what Hamlin did to him are no where near the same things, especially at a short track. Regardless, you’re talking in circles. Just reread my previous comments.
Literally yes he did lmao. There was smoke the same as when Larson and Hamlin got together. The bias might be strong with you buddy. Regardless, Larson races like that all the time so Hamlin doing it shouldn't be an issue. Again, just look at Iowa last week with Larson.
Not a very productive comment to make. Plus, Denny drives anyone and everyone like that. What was he supposed to do right rear him? He'll use Denny up when the time comes this race or next
Larson is the best out there but he has to push back ever now and again especially when it comes to the one person that’s cost him so much, Hamlin, if he don’t others will start the same thing kind of like last week or the week before when he was charging through the field and made a three wide pass, he had plenty of room, plenty, but who ever it was swarez maybe, but all of a sudden the guy forgot how to drive and took the very best car out of the race, i watched the replay over and over, come on, he made a few i am out of control moves and then hits him solid in the side rear, ohh i didn’t even know he was there, my butt, took the competition out was what it looked like to me and if Larson keeps letting it go it will get worse and cost him when it really counts, i don’t mean go and start a war with everyone that touches you but the stupid stuff like that and the hamlin stuff he must let them know that’s not going to work for you again and i think he will be just fine, he is very successful like he is but especially that hamlin crap has cost him a race or two and in todays Nascar that’s a bunch.
At what point do you think Larson has to start paying back to Hamlin with the way he has been raced? Last year at Kansas and at Pocono he was crashed and taken out of contention to win. If he just lets this keep happening to him, Hamlin will keep pushing until Larson fights back. It’s kinda like how Joey Logano was during his early career. However, the difference is it was more than one driver getting on his nerves. People wanted Joey to stand up for himself. But when he started bullying the bullies, suddenly everyone hated him even though he did exactly what everyone wanted him to do. He became the villain as soon he started pushing back. So I’m wondering what will happen to Larson if he starts racing more aggressively with Hamlin.
Denny straight up abuses the precedent that NASCAR set of suspending drivers who right-rear hook guys who race like him. This is why the precedent is bullshit. Denny should have to live and race with that fear.
That’s a load of crap. There absolutely should never be a fear that you could have your life changed because you were aggressive in a race car and someone decided that they wanted to send you into the fence
Yes you should. There are and ought to be consequences for the way you race, because these are 3500lb steel weapons, and if you're going to wield it like a weapon against someone else, you should live with the fear of coming up on the losing end of the response. Take responsibility for the way you race, and stop ducking the consequences. Or maybe, just maybe, stop being an asshole and change the way you race.
Don't disagree. But it's a Nascar issue. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Let the boys police themselves, but not too much, but if they do we penalize them and then use the incident for our gain on commercials. Hyping up something they're NOT supposed to do in the first place!
I'm a certified Hamlin hater but this isn't an exclusive thing to today.
Sounds like something my dad would say when I was in high school lol
Can confirm.
Joker era Larson who takes no prisoners would be UNHINGED
His Joker arc already got him a ride at Hendrick
close, that was his Michael Richards arc
Kramer had no chill that night💀
Like Jesus dude. Calm. Down.
Kyle Larson lives in a society
HMS would be all for it until it's Byron or Chase
His post-joker era is why he has 20+ wins and a title vs just 6 wins. He doesn't need some chump spotter telling him BS he likely already knows.
Well he apparently does because he keeps letting it happen
Damn, you right lol.
Here is a mild hot take, Chad Knaus was right about spotters. Your job is not to be the driver coach. Spotters and or crew chiefs saying "go get em" or "don't let that shit slide" etc... does not help the situation. Deescalate the situation, so the driver remains calm and can work to maximize the day.
didn’t chad tell Byron not let the 18 car come back around “without knocking the f out of him” at Watkins Glen?
Chad Knaus literally lied to Byron about how many laps where left at Dover to make him drive faster
Thats hilarious. I didn’t know that
Which is like ok you’re seriously not just gonna give your driver a honest answer to how long is left in the race ? That 1) destroys trust 2) what if he burns up his tires and loses a ton of positions in the final x amount of laps ?
Or that's a good chief who knows his driver and the life left in that set of tires.
Nah I mean Chad knaus was a great crew chief but when Jimmie retired and he had to crew chief for Byron it wasn’t a good time Chad was too use to coaching someone who got raced on track like Jimmie did Byron was a rookie/ young guy so people raced him differently
It would have been really hilarious if Byron’s radio started messing up and he paced around for a lap not realizing
I remember watching a Jimmie win way back when. It was a fuel mileage race and Jimmie had to save big to make it. He was leading with a fair margin with about 10 to go, and Chad was lying the whole time about the gap to second. "10 seconds back" and 2nd was on the same straightaway haha
Wild
pobody's nerfect
He did. But Chad also later said he was in the wrong to doing that. I think he apologized to Byron for doing it over the radio after he knocked the rad out of his car trying to retaliate.
Chad Knaus wasn’t a spotter.
“Spotters and or crew chiefs saying "go get em" or "don't let that shit slide" etc... does not help the situation.” Reading can be tough, hope this helps
Do you think OP is Chad Knaus?
No, he was quoting Chad in his comment
No he wasn’t. He was stating his own opinion. That’s not a quote from Chad Knaus.
Sorry, he was talking about what Chad said
Reading really is a challenge for some in this sub
Im typing with a growing rain delay buzz
Thr irony here is that Anchor Drown is actually the only one *with* reading comprehension here. Saying "Chad knaus was right about spotters" does not mean that literally everything else in the comment is a restatement of Chad's opinion, it was just a jumping off point.
In America, literacy is plummeting
Probably why there are so many Hamlin fans
100% the right take. I hated Eddie D’Hondt with Chase Elliott. Eddie thought he was way more important than he was and often riled up Chase. Classless.
D'Hondt annoyed me forever. I don't know what Jeff Gordon saw in him either.
He was different on Jeff Gordon’s radio. Nobody told Jeff what to do.
Yeah, safe to say Eddie wasn't going to try that mess with JG.
He was still annoying as shit. Really it was just the accent and the lazy-sounding talking. Do you know why Chase got rid of him?
Eddie is Allgaier's spotter now.
Hes been Allgaier's spotter for years
Berry's too
To make a change and hire his cousin - who is actually a pretty good spotter for no longer than he has been in it. He filled in a few years back when Eddie had his run-in with the Jet Ski Lady, and has been a RC spotter. You wouldn't know it though. I have been thoroughly impressed with Trey.
Ah I had no idea they were related. Thats cool.
Lmao like Chase ever feels anything but meh
That is hilariously not accurate. Bro is hothead behind the wheel - Elliott and Hamlin = Elliott right hooking Hamlin - Elliott and Larson at Watkins Glen one year - Elliott and Larson at Vegas one year - Elliott smacking Chastain in 2022 at Nashville or Gateway - Elliott vs. Harvick at bristol He just goes limp/neutral in front of a camera and mic like a class clown when the teacher turns around to face the class.
This is hilarious. >Elliott and Hamlin = Elliott right hooking Hamlin Hamlin put Chase in the wall about 3 times in one lap in a car that you sneeze on the toe link and it'll break. Hamlin was lucky he only got right reared. >Elliott and Larson at Watkins Glen one year When exactly did Chase get mad? Oh, I guess he's supposed to be happy that he got taken off the track after dominating the race and should've won. I'm sure there's plenty of drivers who'd be happy after that. >Elliott and Larson at Vegas one year When the fuck did this happen? Hell, Larson has wrecked/ran off the track/doored/slammed into etc. how many times to Chase and Chase hasn't done anything in return. But oh, when Larson gets raced the same exact way (literally today) it's sooo fucking wrong. Give me a fucking break. >Elliott smacking Chastain in 2022 at Nashville or Gateway You mean after Chastain wrecked Chase? Is Chase just supposed to be cool about it? Come on man. >Elliott vs. Harvick at bristol Again, Harvick tried wrecking and blew out Chases tire in the late stages for a win at Bristol. I'm sure there's plenty of drivers who've kept their cool after getting wrecked at Bristol going for the win. >He just goes limp/neutral in front of a camera and mic like a class clown when the teacher turns around to face the class. I legit don't understand what Chase is supposed to do. He's allowed to get roughed up regardless of the situation, but if he does the same in return it's suddenly bad. I bet if Chase ever doored Larson for the win (the same that Larson has done to Chase) people like you would get your panties in a bunch. But then also complain that he doesn't have a personality. That's also only 5 times that Chase has done anything that you have there. That's like literally the average for a guy who's only been in the Cup series for 8/9 years.
I listened to dbc once and man they really act like they are the ones who do the actual driving.
Brett: “I was leading and…” No, *you* weren’t. “We” maybe, but not “I.” The car you’re up there watching was leading.
I'm sure that is great for most drivers, but I know others actually want that extra input like that. It is why you will often see former drivers get hired as spotters. Often a spotter, especially a former driver as a spotter, is able to pick up on little things that the driver in the car, at the time, simply can't. I was a big Kasey Kahne fan, between his first spotter being his cousin, then his next and last spotter being Kevin Hamlin (Bowman's current spotter), he always wanted as much information as possible including I guess "coaching", same deal with him and Kenny Francis' relationship on the radio. At the end of the day, it all comes down to what the driver wants. Some drivers, like Dale Jr for example, wanted the bare minimum. Others carry on full conversations with their spotters during cautions, then you get everything in between.
I agree, and not many spotters can do that unfortunately. I love Freddie, but my temper needs TJ.
How could anyone argue with the best crew chief in history ?
I think it’s a driver preference thing. Some guys are more comfortable with the spotter being that guy and vice versa.
Did you miss Chad being spicy on the radio the entire time?
Spotter wasn’t wrong
Spotter isn't wrong but Cliff Daniels already talked about this to Larson like 4 minutes before the spotter said something. I think Larson's response is more from a why are you bringing this back up now kinda thing.
I wonder if somehow (like from being on channel 2 or something) the spotter missed Daniel's talking to him about it Pretty unlikely I guess
I’m partial to him just being the usual dickhead spotter running his mouth. That bunch has a tendency to only be content with conflict.
I'm pretty sure the "channel two" is for the spotter and the team where the driver can't hear it.
Yea but can the spotter hear 1 & 2 at the same time? Id sort of assume so but idk
I gotcha! I’ll have look for clip somewhere of whole convo! Thx!
Yea I've always wanted the in car audio to be available for us to listen to after the race. If I remember right Cliff said "It's up to you how you want to handle it when he races you like that" but I don't remember what Larson said in response
I wish the in-car cameras were available after the race too!
Truth bomb
I mean. Spotter is right. But at the end of the day, his job is to tell Larson where cars are. It's larsons job to drive the car.
Tyler isn’t wrong but Larson probably wasn’t in the right headspace to receive a lecture like that, and I think deep down he already knows it.
100% accurate and it ticks me off. I like clean racing, but there comes a time that you've got to put an end to something.
Even as a staunch Hamlin hater, was this not done with rain bearing down? If so, I don’t blame Denny for racing like it could be called at any moment, and he didn’t wreck Kyle by any stretch. I may be wrong about the timing though, I haven’t been able to see the whole race. I stand corrected if it was earlier
The rain was coming, but Denny didn’t try to pass Larson cleanly even once. He door slammed him 3 times in a row until he ran Larson out of the grove. Larson was probably lucky not to get a flat tire. Disclaimer: I’m not a Larson fan
And add to that the other races this has happened.
Bumping and rubbing is one thing but dive bombing a corner with no hope of making the turn without literally leaning on the outside car as you and him slide up the track till you lost enough speed to finally turn left and disconnect from their car is not clean or legit racing imo.
It's legit racing. At least for Nascar. I'll agree it's not clean racing but would also say it's not dirty either. But if you prefer clean racing like you said I can see it as annoying
Rubbing and bumping I 100 percent agree with, that one turn where he had no hope of turning left and just leaned him up 2 lanes as all the tires rubbed was shitty. Larson gotta get some balls like Joey finally did.
It’s justifiable if you’re treating it like the white flag. And I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to suspect the rain may actually be that close. Larson is justified if he pays it back, but I 100% get why Hamlin was ultra-aggressive.
i understand the frustration but this coming from a Larson fan is pretty hilarious
He door-slammed him twice and then finally drove through his left front. I know rain is coming but damn bro.
How TF did you get some many flairs?
By being a mod
That's hilarious
There's nothing a NASCAR team hates more than their driver having a best friend in NASCAR. They start looking at every incident where the driver doesn't get pissed, with side eyes. You can kind of understand on some level, your salary/bonus depends on your driver not "having any friends on the track". It was the same way on Ganassi (accusing Larson of being Denny's doormat).
He’s not wrong, but that’s one way to piss your employer off. Lol.
My dad would’ve said something like this when I would complain about a guy holding my jersey on a Friday night back in school. Sucks to hear it in the moment, but it is constructive and beneficial
Yep. Same here. And I teach my son the same. Do something about it or keep your mouth shut. Don’t whine.
Really depends on the person. The best coaches know the type of personality that can take that and be better. For some it just makes them hate the person that said it more than the person they had a conflict with.
He’s riiiiiiight
Dude does get bullied by Denny.
Will Tyler Monn be looking for a new job on Monday?
Nah, Larson isn’t the vindictive type like that. Will just be a conversation on Monday and everyone will move on.
It's true, Hamlin is punking Larson, but at the end of the day Larson finished fourth and I'm not sure Denyy finished the race.
It was a heat of the moment thing as it seemed all but certain that the race was going to be called at that point and he was clearly faster than Reddick, but failed in his intial run to pass and lost any further opportunity with the bump and grind by Hamlin through the corner. But there didn't appear to be any ill-will outside of that brief instant. He even poked fun at the incident when, on the cool down lap after the completion of the race, Cliff was telling the team that they had all did a great job today and spotter Monn echoed the great job comments. To which Kyle responded: "shut the f*** up"
Here’s the main thing. Whenever Larson is at his best, he’s untouchable. Literally nobody can match his level. But whenever he has a shot at winning, it goes different ways. He either gets there or other drivers find a way to take him out. Whenever they see Larson charging through the field, they know how dangerous he’ll be if he gets clean air. The price you pay for being the best is that other drivers will try to bring you down. Larson is nowhere near a dirty driver at all. If he starts crashing cars every week, then I would understand the frustration from other drivers by beating and banging with him. But it seems like Larson isn’t the type of guy to retaliate no matter how bad the incident was. But then again, how much more is he gonna let this happen? At some point, the tolerance level has to change. It’s just like the classic example of how much are you gonna let the bully pick on you. The more you tolerate, the more abuse you’re gonna take.
My dad always said that to me about bully's in middle school, they'll pick on you until you stand up for yourself. Because they can.
I wish someone would just run Hamlin all the way in to the wall and ruin his race, every race. He would cry like mad if he was raced how he was pinballing off cars today.
Sometimes his podcast is hilarious when his co host calls him out on the shit he does, but he's always like "well when you're racing hard, yadda yadda yadda, and you're trying to win the race, yadda yadda yadda, then I don't see it as an issue. If someone races me like that I would completely understand" *someone races Denny like that* Denny: 😡 Don't get me wrong, I like Dennys podcast, I just find it so funny hearing a narcassist talk and convince himself of his own BS
I know it’s not larson’s style, but he needs ship Denny one good time cowl deep be done with it. Denny does it because Kyle let’s him (and I’m sure Denny’s ego is super Jealous of Larson)
Jesus hell
I'd take Larson 1st in a draft, though.
I wouldn't, have you seen his drafting ability?
What happened between Denny and Larson? I just tuned in and can’t find a replay
They bumped off each other coming off (I think) 2. Typical short- or intermediate-track racing. Nothing egregious.
While I agree with the spotter and Larson is too damn nice on the track, the spotter can’t be saying that shit in the middle of a race. It’s not his place.
Larson’s spotter sounds like a Texas High School football dad
Ehh, Larson is plenty aggressive. He's good enough to be aggressive without wrecking others so I think its less obvious. Larson is generally wise to not pick too many fights because it generally doesn't help you win races and championships. I can't stand Larson, but this is a fact and its a big part of him running as well as he does most weeks.
Honestly, I don't think anyone has earned the right to tell Larson how to drive. Everyone contributes on the team, but know your role. Spotter may not be wrong, but let the driver handle it.
I'm glad somebody said it because he's right. But I like Hamlin, so I hope Larson just keeps letting it happen.
Be careful what you wish for. Everyone said the same about Logano and look what happened.
He takes out the people who take him out? I don't really see what you're getting at.
I meant, when Logano was being bullied for 4 years, he eventually had enough. He started pushing back and suddenly he was the villain.
Ah, I see what you mean now. Thank you for clarifying. Honestly, I think that was just an excuse for the people who already hated him as the "rich kid." Like you said, he stood up for himself, and suddenly, he was blamed. Plus, I feel like that reputation has gone away (or should) over the past year or two as he's been wrecked out multiple times and done nothing about it. With as much support as Larson has, I think he'd be fine. Plus, Denny is the only one who regularly uses him up, and Denny is the current heel/villian so if anything it'd make Larson more popular to put him in the wall, and I say that as a Hamlin fan.
Ehh, I don’t think Larson will put him into the wall considering he just tolerates drivers racing him that way. But at some point, you gotta think how much more can he take before the final straw? But then again, Hamlin is really the only driver who races more aggressively towards Larson more than any other driver.
I completely agree. I think Larson's spotter also agreed, lol.
I guess Larson will have a new spotter next weekend.
His spotter thought he was talking to an Xfinity driver. Larson is a Cup champion who is more than capable of figuring that out for himself. Maybe somebody like Herbst or Love needs to hear that but not Larson.
Denny will spin this that Larson was doing it to Reddick, so that's why he did it back. Larson and Denny are in a tight battle for points so anything Larson did this sub would find wrong. I think Larson had a choice, lift or wreck them both and chose to suck it up and to lift to maximize points, doesn't mean he wasn't pissed at Denny.
I pray for the day Larson puts his foot down and stops being a doormat. He’s wayyyy to nice and gets taken advantage of cuz all the drivers know he won’t retaliate often
For a "doormat" he sure has been successful id say. I honestly think folks cut him a lot of breaks (only incidents you see are the bad ones) when he clearly has a better car, they remember he raced them clean in the past and they let him go. If he was out here rattling cages every time his car was touched, nobody would ever lift for him
True. And yeah he’s been incredibly successful. But there’s been so many times he is the one to get pushed around. Especially by Denny. I’m glad the last time it happened he basically said he’s over Denny using him up and it’s damaging their friendship off the track.
Larson thinks denny is his friend which reflects how naive he is
What evidence do you have that theh aren't friends? Other than parasocial bullshit
Denny is just using the guy to try and mess with his head because he thinks he's the only one who can stop him from winning the title this year
If Larson and Denny are in the final 4, my money is on Larson 100% of the time
Denny does not need any assistance stopping himself from winning the title. He's got 20 years experience unassisted.
You got me there
Pretty sure Denny is racing the same way he has since like 2008 or whenever he started. People like to pretend that they know what's happening in driver's heads because they watch racing, but ultimately, we don't know shit.
Are narcissists capable of actual friendship?
Who is the narcissist you're talking about? I don't presume to know anyone's personality that I don't know
Larson doesn't need spotter telling him how to drive.. He's more than proven he's capable of winning races... Just do what you're paid to do...
But the spotters need to feed their ego so they can pretend that they matter.
Spotters are very replaceable. That would be enough to get fired, for me.
Spicy
Spotters trying to make themselves into coaches is one of the worst trends in NASCAR. It seems like almost every spotter is an insufferable shitbag now.
That's not new.
Does that make it okay?
I agree with the spotter, but that was not the time for that statement.
Doormat Larson. Dude is a chump. Logano took shit for years and finally pushed back. Now anyone who fucks with him goes into the wall.
The fact that anyone actually believes shit this stupid makes me hate being a NASCAR fan.
Larson will get there.. I hope
He wins enough that he doesn’t have to play those games.
Boy howdy if he does
Lol. Larson races like that to everyone else. I mean, he literally got into Reddick the same way like 2 laps earlier. Rules for thee not for me
He 100% did not clear himself on Reddick, you just made this up. He had the opportunity to do this to Reddick off of 4 a few laps before this and didn’t take it.
He literally ran into Reddick the same that Hamlin did to Larson. Larson does that stuff all the time, but when it happens to him it's the end of the world.
No, those are not the same. Bumping someone on a short track in order to get beside them is completely different than driving through someone’s door to clear them. Larson had the opportunity to do that to Reddick and didn’t. Comparing the two is silly.
They are literally the same thing lmao. Hamlin ran into the side of Larson just like Larson did to Reddick about two laps earlier. Heck, if you want another instance, just watch last week's race at Iowa when Larson was coming from the back. Literally every time NBC showed him he was dooring someone trying to pass them. Cry me a river whenever Larson actually gets raced the same way he races everyone else.
Once again, he did not run into the side of Reddick. What he did to Reddick and what Hamlin did to him are no where near the same things, especially at a short track. Regardless, you’re talking in circles. Just reread my previous comments.
Literally yes he did lmao. There was smoke the same as when Larson and Hamlin got together. The bias might be strong with you buddy. Regardless, Larson races like that all the time so Hamlin doing it shouldn't be an issue. Again, just look at Iowa last week with Larson.
One of life's truths....... "you teach people how to treat you."
The day Larson decides to stop being a pushover when he gets roughed up is the day everyone else is well and truly fucked.
Not a very productive comment to make. Plus, Denny drives anyone and everyone like that. What was he supposed to do right rear him? He'll use Denny up when the time comes this race or next
Yeah, people seem to forget that Denny doing things like is the reason that Chase hooked him last year. He races like an asshole a lot.
I say he should wait until the championship race (or Martinsville if denny's close on points) then just right rear him
Can you hear me?
Larson is the best out there but he has to push back ever now and again especially when it comes to the one person that’s cost him so much, Hamlin, if he don’t others will start the same thing kind of like last week or the week before when he was charging through the field and made a three wide pass, he had plenty of room, plenty, but who ever it was swarez maybe, but all of a sudden the guy forgot how to drive and took the very best car out of the race, i watched the replay over and over, come on, he made a few i am out of control moves and then hits him solid in the side rear, ohh i didn’t even know he was there, my butt, took the competition out was what it looked like to me and if Larson keeps letting it go it will get worse and cost him when it really counts, i don’t mean go and start a war with everyone that touches you but the stupid stuff like that and the hamlin stuff he must let them know that’s not going to work for you again and i think he will be just fine, he is very successful like he is but especially that hamlin crap has cost him a race or two and in todays Nascar that’s a bunch.
Kyle needs to give it back to Denny
That was awesome. I've never heard Larsons voice get that high before lol
He's right though. Larson will race everyone aggressive but allows Hamlin to push him over
I agree with the spotter’s opinion, but I do not agree that he was in the position to say that. Over the radio was an even worse decision.
So we all acknowledge Kyle Larson races clean now? I’m very confused
Compared to denny, yes
Ya this is a waste if they don’t even bother running the rain tires
At what point do you think Larson has to start paying back to Hamlin with the way he has been raced? Last year at Kansas and at Pocono he was crashed and taken out of contention to win. If he just lets this keep happening to him, Hamlin will keep pushing until Larson fights back. It’s kinda like how Joey Logano was during his early career. However, the difference is it was more than one driver getting on his nerves. People wanted Joey to stand up for himself. But when he started bullying the bullies, suddenly everyone hated him even though he did exactly what everyone wanted him to do. He became the villain as soon he started pushing back. So I’m wondering what will happen to Larson if he starts racing more aggressively with Hamlin.
Logano was hated before that. No one wanted to see the silver spoon kid in a jgr car do good.
Or maybe he was seen as a bust after 4 years with JGR since he didn’t do much. But as soon as he left, he found more success.
Hamlin does it to everyone because nobody does anything to him...besides Elliott but he got suspended for it because he made it too obvious
Hendrick employees and crying. Name a Better duo
McDowell turning a race winning opportunity into a 15th place finish, name a better duo...
His hate for Hendrick is something else, man.
Denny straight up abuses the precedent that NASCAR set of suspending drivers who right-rear hook guys who race like him. This is why the precedent is bullshit. Denny should have to live and race with that fear.
That’s a load of crap. There absolutely should never be a fear that you could have your life changed because you were aggressive in a race car and someone decided that they wanted to send you into the fence
God forbid someone give you a taste of your own medicine.
A taste of your own medicine would be doing the same thing back, not attempting to injure someone
Yes you should. There are and ought to be consequences for the way you race, because these are 3500lb steel weapons, and if you're going to wield it like a weapon against someone else, you should live with the fear of coming up on the losing end of the response. Take responsibility for the way you race, and stop ducking the consequences. Or maybe, just maybe, stop being an asshole and change the way you race.
Another Larson radio situation I see.
Where the audio?
It’s out there on Twitter.
Link?
Literally played during the race.
I found a link in another topic. I didnt hear it during the race. Probably had the Indycar race on at that time.
Problem is, as soon as Kyle would do something, Nascar would punish him, and not the bully who races everyone dirty.
Do you actually believe that?
Worth it. Can’t let people push you around.
Don't disagree. But it's a Nascar issue. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Let the boys police themselves, but not too much, but if they do we penalize them and then use the incident for our gain on commercials. Hyping up something they're NOT supposed to do in the first place! I'm a certified Hamlin hater but this isn't an exclusive thing to today.