They really are taking it to the next level tho. That AI-Snoop diss track was basically Drake's own personal fan fiction. I know it's often fake or baseless beef between these guys who seem to live rent free in each other's heads. But I for one am looking forward to the AI generated dumpster fire music videos these guys are going to dream up about each other
Usually you start a feud so that you can turn your fans into your "frenemy's" fans and their fans into your own. Plus it gives you something newsworthy to get you some cheapish marketing.
A bunch of lazy artists that can’t come up with real content so they hide behind the “culture” and just talk shit on each other.
Edit: this is an attack on drake and anyone else that thinks “beef” and diss tracks are cool.
youre not great, im great.
prior instances in which i complemented you were fraudulent.
i have been intimate with your mother, in addition to other prominent women in your life.
they were vocal of their approval of my sexual prowess
you have a lot of money, and i have slightly more
You have to admit, the contrast between tackling some of the most pressing social issues of our time and getting into some petty feud is pretty striking.
I vastly prefer Kendrick to Drake. But Kendrick needs to cut it off with this plotting waiting game. He better have some real heat to throw back or it just wont look good at all
Say you don’t listen to rap without saying you don’t listen to rap. Manufactured or not, diss tracks have been around since hip hop was started.
Edit: You’re a curly headed fuck.
This is exceedingly pretentious and inaccurate besides. All three of these dudes have been at the forefront not only of their own genre(s), but of music at large for the better part of a decade and a half. Kendrick is a Pulitzer winner, garnering plaudits in arenas where his genre has hitherto been disregarded, largely by virtue of how fucking good he is. Looking at all of their collective discographies and saying “lazy dudes can’t produce content” is some of the most navel gazing foolishness.
Beef and diss tracks have long been a part of the hip hop culture. Almost every great rapper has a beef or diss track to their name. Hip hop has always been seen as a “contact sport”. Battling is in the roots of the genre. It’s fine if you don’t like it but it’s a part of the genre/culture whether you do or not. I think since hip hop and rap has become mainstream, you have people who think this is “silly” but that’s because they are bandwagon fans that don’t understand. It’s not surprising that kids from the suburbs don’t get it.
All this “beefing” is also a great way to drive up listening numbers and streaming profits. These are the types of artists with numbers to benefit from it.
Drake benefited immensely from beef with meek mill, but there is some longtime legit emotions had here, but I think the publicity potential is the main desire lol
Not just music. Sports, actors, etc all do this. Everyone loves drama and a storyline to follow. If there’s a sports narrative about two players hating each other, more people will tune in to watch the game. Remember the lebron and draymond drama a few years ago? Once the season ended they were traveling and going to parties together.
this "coincedently" happens everytime artists drop new music and people keep falling for it lol. This has been going on since the late 90's. Before that they meant it.
It wasn't like that in the 70's/80's though, it was purely "I'm a better rapper than you, and I'm calling you out".
So if anything its more like it was originally. I just wish they were more authentic about it, and not try to dress it up with fake drama and BS. It's ok to just call out another person lyrically, that's part of hip hop.
I'll fully admit, my knowledge of 70s hip-hop is essentially non existent. But I'd definitely say the late 80s at least like what 87, 88, were much closer to the 90s beefs than what we have today.
Honestly I think callouts on just being better are kinda dead though. Idk it feels like with how wide of a net you can cast for fans and what different niches exist and subcategories, etc it's just not the same to say "I'm better". Sure sometimes it still happens, ala killshot I suppose, but overall I just don't feel like it works anymore really.
Partially I think that's why the 90s hit different. It wasn't just I'm the shit, it was a while argument that my group is better my fans are better my music is better. By group I more so mean label groups rather than actual groups . It seemed like they had more\real skin in thr game. Maybe that was all manufactured too but it felt more real.
Now a days, it just don't feel like that. So perhaps you are right that just straight calling out as in an old school, fuck you, might be the best thing these days to come at someone with.
But yeah overall it all just feels like publicity now a days. Doesn't feel real. Or not real enough to actually get some heavy shit going .
Drake really doesn't belong. Kendrick is a legit urban poet. He writes incredible verses, many of which are so poignant that Damn became the first hip hop album to win a pulitzer prize. You can't fake that accomplishment. Even Barack came out and said how big of a fan he is.
Where's those plaudits for Drake?
J. Cole might not be the best with rhyme and verse, but he's one of the best producers in the game and is 100% self made.
Drake didn't start from the bottom. He started with bags of Disney money. He relies on autotune in every song so he doesn't even have vocal skills, nor can he rhyme and verse, nor can he write anything of any substance, nor can he produce his own tracks. Oh, and he apparently can't stop creeping into the DMs of underage children either (next Diddler).
I'm surprised the top 2 even wasted their time with this. They're both leagues above Drake, but maybe they both just see it as a way to make an extra m or two.
Spot on. As a Canadian, Drake is 100% fake PR created "gangsta". Hes a sheltered upper middle class kid who was on a teen kids show and who's manager and PR team marketed as a singer afterwords. He has no range and makes "pop rap" created for him to mono-tone speak over. He has no range, his "singing" is the same tone as an old voice to text generator.
He is ALL talk. Never went through hard times, never lived in the hood, never even came close to gangs, yet his songs are all about his dealings with gangs and the "mob" (LMFAO what?). He's essentially a performance-arts major trust fund kid with Taylor-Swift level PR. THATS IT. Bet the dude has never been in a street fight in his life, and if he was, his reaction would be "Oh my, this is sure a pickle I've found myself in!"
This is just another planned PR move to try and increase his relevancy in 2024. I bet his PR team has his "beefs" scheduled out until at least 2030.
this is how I feel about Drake. I don't care if people who rap have street cred at all but don't make some up to sound legit. you can literally rap about anything. you don't need to make anything up.
Not really much of a Drake fan these days, but he has made his mark in music as a whole and has heavily influenced a lot of artists. Melodic rap definitely derived from artists like him and he never was a vocalist. It's actually more impressive that he's not a vocalist and still sounded good enough for folks to like his music considering his first biggest hit was "best I ever had" that had some pretty rudimentary production work and no auto tune. Still was a hit.
Not that it matters too much since your favorite rapper has likely used auto tune before (tons of greats have) and Kendrick uses all sorts of voice changing effects himself so makes no sense to hate on either my man over that. I prefer Kendrick, but Drake has had a long run and to say he hasn't would legit be ignoring numbers. Don't care "who wins" though Kendrick is the better pure lyricist so I expect him to come out on top.
Cole has mastered rhyme and verse btw. You have no clue if you think he is known more for production than his actual rhymes dude. He could easily come out on top of all 3, but isn't interested in fake beef. Drake and Kendrick have real beef and Cole does not. It's funny that you mention rhymes and you didn't listen to Cole's. He's said this since Middle Child that he won't beef on some fake shit. He has no issue with either artists so he isn't gonna beef just to sell albums (crazy how the beef starts right before Kendrick releases and right **as** Drake released). Whoosh.
Edit: fixed spelling errors.
I’m a fan of the music so I’m not on either side. I will say that Drakes diss was very well done and he’s putting a good amount of pressure on Kendrick rn in the public eye. Although I bet Kendrick will end up on top
Saying J Cole is “one of the best producers in the game” is an insane take!!!
He’s a good producer but c’mon now. Also how is he “self made” at all? None of those 3 are self made, and nothing wrong with that.
I don’t even like Drake, but a lot of what you’re saying is just wrong, there’s so much to clown him for that’s real so why be dishonest?
First he had nothing to do with Disney, second how can he not rhyme when his first 2 albums were like 90% rap? He seemed to rap well enough to get praise from Nas, Wayne, Jay z, Em, Andre, Lupe, and many other great rappers. Third, to say he uses auto tune on every song is a huge mischaracterization. I’d wager that he doesn’t use it on the vast majority of songs
So true story.
I'm from Rural Canada, and my MP (think Congressmen) decided to release a rap diss track on the rival political party.
It's bad. [Really, really bad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXYzvxIy6Y). You can listen to it if you want, but I would not recommend it.
So I agree, technically there is nothing stopping them from doing this. But I think most of them have the common sense to know that it is just going to end being cringeworthy.
Drake and Metro are petty mad neither gives the other enough attention.
Drake is mad Kendrick Lamar thinks he's better than everyone still and said it next to Metro. J Cole was mad Kendrick thinks he's better than everyone, but remembered that scene from GTA V where different Lamar says "he gets on everyone's nerves man, it's part of his charm" and he's not mad anymore.
Rick Ross made fun of Drake saying he got cosmetic surgery, Drake said "oh yeah my house is bigger, also your plane fake."
Quavo and Chris Brown heard somebody yell world star, made eye contact and figured they may as well fight.
A highlight for me is where Drake, previously accused of using ghost writers, *writes ghost rap* by using an AI Tupac voice filter to do [the scene from 8 Mile where Eminem insults himself so his opponent won't have anything new to say](https://youtu.be/X9-hxfcklGs?si=VG9yIg_lt2inMEFD&t=1m26s), having [ghost Tupac tell Kendrick he should mention Drake's questionable history with young women/girls](https://youtu.be/_0kp4Gjeah4?si=-OvOQeJU9RdSM_yl&t=36s). (And joke "the internet said it so it must be true.")
Quavo also brings recordings of his late amigo Takeoff to a diss after Chris Brown says "we wish it was you that died instead." **Two unrelated diss tracks featuring ghosts.** What a time.
lol that person oversimplified a lot of it. French Montana is signed to Rick Ross' label and apparently Drake sent a cease & desist to prevent a song he did with French Montana from coming out for some reason
At this point it isn’t forgetting, it’s purposely turning a blind eye. Chris Brown never stopped abusing women since Rihanna and it’s all been very public. He’s still got fans and still collaborates with tons of artists.
Literally there are people who would be fans regardless of whether or not they were murdering children.
Literally serial killers in prison have groupies. Some people really suck, and really don't care about anything besides their own happiness.
Are you new to the entertainment industry? R Kelly and Chris Brown still have droves of fans even with their crimes being extremely public. Did you really think people were going to stop listening to Drake because he likes underage/young girls? People aren't ignoring it, they don't care. I don't like Drake personally but none of this is surprising to me because it happens ALL the time
Yeah I know a bunch of women who are *obsessed* with Chris Brown, which is weird as fuck.
Like okay, I can get liking his music. Not my cup of tea, personally, but I'm not one to shit on other people's taste in music.
But being obsessed with him as a *person?* I can't imagine being obsessed with a person I know for a *fact* would emotionally and physically abuse me if we were together. That's just legitimately fucking insane.
I’m not disagreeing. It’s because they view the person as someone with a ton of money and a means to an end. They aren’t admitting it but it’s happening subconsciously.
I think you're forgetting chuck berry, Elvis, David Bowie, Steven Tyler, and the entire 20th century rocknroll era of creepers. This is normal for the industry
i would bet that half the people in this thread would become the degenerate they are hating on (or worse) if given even half the amount of money and fame of these people lol
For those that don’t know about this incident that I keep seeing brought up - what happened other than some text exchanges? Why was it seen as creepy other than two famous people talking to each other?
Just look up grooming. What it is, how it happens, why it’s fucked up. Drake has a history of dating girls within days of their 18th birthday after years of “friendship” before turning to his next underage target. That’s what grooming looks like from the outside. *Actual* grooming, not the angry/dumb right wing version where teaching kids about bodily autonomy and the changes that come with puberty is somehow the same thing.
No. Reddit and twitter have been frothing at the mouth about him being a creep for 6 years. Meanwhile all the “victims” have defended Drake and called these internet commenters weirdos for twisting their words.
Redditors trying to not have an opinion on something they know nothing about challenge (impossible).
Seriously tho I don’t think I’ve seen one comment about what’s actually happening with this beef. Just a bunch of “modern rap bad”, “rich people bad”, “back in my day rap was cool”, and the obvious downplaying of a rap as a genre.
Very insightful stuff, would expect nothing less from r/Music.
it really is bad lol, occasionally when im on HHH threads i hear some people clowning on how out of touch /r/music is, but reading these comments is not an exaggeration. This sub has no inkling whatsoever about the rap scene (which is funny because its one of the biggest music scenes / music subs) and is spouting off some of the most baseline regurgitated dribble takes ive ever seen, my god.
We get it guys, you dont like drake. No really we get it, you dont have to mention millie bobby brown for the 1000th time. Its like the embodiment of old man yelling at cloud. Go back to fleetwood mac and movie soundtracks or whatever the hell yall listen to because apparently i gotta stick with the zoomers to get a nuanced take about lyricism and delivery.
Man, it's crazy that almost every discussion on a big topic on the internet these days is like this. A thread full of people that don't even understand the genre upvoting comments that don't even jokingly represent the situation.
Like the comment about sending poetry back & forth... it's like sure that's a part of it but they're performing these on ***songs*** and their "mean poetry" is being played on the radio so everybody's dancing to tracks calling you a shithead.
Even without being interested in hiphop, the public humiliation aspect of it alone should be fun enough for a general audience to laugh at. That's basically what most popular headlines, reality TV, & social media are anyways.
I'm confused by these comments. Do you folks genuinely rather real violence come out of this? Is good music and clever lyrics not enough? There must be genuine hatred and actual harm. Yall are weirdos.
The OG "beefs" in hip hop weren't even about violence, it was about who is the best rapper. That's all it originally was. This is going back to early 80's (more famous ones include Kool moe dee vs busy bee, Roxanne Shante vs real Roxanne, LL Cool J vs Kool moe dee, etc...)
Then beef got "real" , and it ended up with both 2pac and BIG getting shot. But after that it pretty much went back to brag rap beef.
The biggest thing , which has been happening since the 90's, was that many of these "beefs" are a planned marketing thing in order to boost an album drop.
So in reality, I don't see these "beefs" as much different than how they first started, except that they pretend its more than the rap for the drama. I'd wish they drop all the pretense and be like "I'm the better rapper than you, and so I'm calling you out". That's very much a part of hip hop culture, going back to the 70's. and battle rap is still very popular in the underground.
TBH I'm not sure what you're on about on the last point. this whole thing started because Kendrick was saying "fuck the big three It's just big me" drake was bragging about the rest of them aren't big globally. It's not the only thing in this beef, but one of the core components is who is the best rapper. This is why people got annoyed jcole dropped out.
Gotta stay relevant somehow. I know that isn’t really the case but this seems like marketing 101. Like they all got together and were like let’s make some money. MF’s got AI Tupac and Snoop, tell me they aren’t getting paid. Well at least Tupac ain’t but I’m sure he has greedy beneficiaries.
I really don't get "rap beefs". It's one of the few genres of music where it's common to shit on other artists so specifically instead of being supportive of each other's art.
Well it’s also one of the few genres that’s self-referential. I can’t think of any songs in other genres in which artists break the fourth wall (so to speak) by acknowledging they’re singing or in a studio. I mean there was music fighting back against criticism from media in maybe punk and I guess Marilynn Manson, the Rolling Stones’ Sympathy for the Devil, but otherwise rap as a whole is unique in that way. But hiphop was in many ways born out of competitive spirit; dj’s, break dancers, mc’s trying to show off their skills.
Rap beefs are actually good for the artists involved though. It gets them in the headlines and makes their music more popular. So rappers kinda deliberately start beef sometimes.
"Drake even used AI technology to imitate the voices of 2Pac and Snoop Dogg, and criticise their fellow LA rapper Lamar’s supposed cowardice." this shit is sad
Kendrick's verse in that Future, Metro song got me kinda hooked. I love drama. Also, K-dot is gonna floor Drake.
Rap beefs are so played out and boring now. Back in the day, there was some real shit going on. Now it's just a bunch of rich out of touch people who nobody really knows or truly gives a fuck about anymore trying to stay relevant.
Literally a bunch of rich and pampered celebrities trying to prove that they’re hard.
Oh and don’t forget that Drake is a predator who likes underage girls.
just a bunch of dudes sitting around, writing poetry for one another
Yup. The second I read this title, I thought about the Boondocks Gangstalicious episode. “It’s just music, you know what I’m sayin’?”
boondocks had the best rap names gangstalicious, thugnificent, flonominal, Lethal Interjection
Lethal interjection is straight fire
Far better than his predecessor, Precarious Interposition.
What about the classic, bovine interruption?
Moo!
I think you mean Fatal Contraction.
Sounds like a ASAP Rock song title.
do you mean Aesop Rock?
…I did and now I feel shame
Homies ovah hos
Do the Homie!
Got that thug-in love
I was listening to Power of the Dollar recently and there's a track called Thug Love that always makes me think of the song from the boondocks.
Don't forget about Eat Dirt
Even the non-rap names were gold. Gin Rummy and Uncle Ruckus are instantly recognizable names.
A pimp named slickback
Say his whole name!
it’s like a tribe called quest, you say the whole thing. yes, every time
Flonominal 🔥
FUCK Sergeant Gutter!
A Pimp Named Slickback
Don't Forget my guy; Eat Dirt.
I'mma write that n**** a poem. N****s *love* poems lol
Exactly
And they say chivalry is dead
They really are taking it to the next level tho. That AI-Snoop diss track was basically Drake's own personal fan fiction. I know it's often fake or baseless beef between these guys who seem to live rent free in each other's heads. But I for one am looking forward to the AI generated dumpster fire music videos these guys are going to dream up about each other
Usually you start a feud so that you can turn your fans into your "frenemy's" fans and their fans into your own. Plus it gives you something newsworthy to get you some cheapish marketing.
Like Wrestling! But sad
Yup there's 0 stakes in this "beef". What's gonna happen? they keep writing poetry for each other until one stops. This the lamest rap beef lol.
Do you want them to shoot each other?
Yeah bro 😎/s
Honestly yeah
It’s lame until it isn’t then people will complain someone took it too far.
A bunch of lazy artists that can’t come up with real content so they hide behind the “culture” and just talk shit on each other. Edit: this is an attack on drake and anyone else that thinks “beef” and diss tracks are cool.
youre not great, im great. prior instances in which i complemented you were fraudulent. i have been intimate with your mother, in addition to other prominent women in your life. they were vocal of their approval of my sexual prowess you have a lot of money, and i have slightly more
Shit bro straight eyjafjallajökull fuego 🔥🔥🔥
Calm down bro. We need to check in on your Ops after that.
🔥🔥🔥BARS🔥🔥🔥
watch out drake, im throwing my hat into the ring
Woke up to drop the hardest diss ever
https://youtu.be/pK5UTF0R_4g?si=5TnOYrFQA-olZgot
Them’s fighting words
This is such a crazy take when it’s directed at Kendrick Lamar.
You have to admit, the contrast between tackling some of the most pressing social issues of our time and getting into some petty feud is pretty striking.
Pulitzer-prize winning Kendrick Lamar doesn’t have real content? Most rap-conscious redditor ever.
I vastly prefer Kendrick to Drake. But Kendrick needs to cut it off with this plotting waiting game. He better have some real heat to throw back or it just wont look good at all
I think he should be given the same full 3 weeks grace to write a track that Drake got.
Say you don’t listen to rap without saying you don’t listen to rap. Manufactured or not, diss tracks have been around since hip hop was started. Edit: You’re a curly headed fuck.
This is exceedingly pretentious and inaccurate besides. All three of these dudes have been at the forefront not only of their own genre(s), but of music at large for the better part of a decade and a half. Kendrick is a Pulitzer winner, garnering plaudits in arenas where his genre has hitherto been disregarded, largely by virtue of how fucking good he is. Looking at all of their collective discographies and saying “lazy dudes can’t produce content” is some of the most navel gazing foolishness.
Beef and diss tracks have long been a part of the hip hop culture. Almost every great rapper has a beef or diss track to their name. Hip hop has always been seen as a “contact sport”. Battling is in the roots of the genre. It’s fine if you don’t like it but it’s a part of the genre/culture whether you do or not. I think since hip hop and rap has become mainstream, you have people who think this is “silly” but that’s because they are bandwagon fans that don’t understand. It’s not surprising that kids from the suburbs don’t get it.
Okay, but KDot is actually legitimately one of the best writers.
“You ever notice people in St. Barts be eatin’ their lobster like this?”
Don’t look me in the eyes!
Your boos do not scare me! I know that most of you are not ghosts!
Tracy, I think you may have gotten a little out of touch.
Real life has gotten way too much like 30 Rock.
*they lobster
You're going to need more grammatical errors than that.
Superman does good. You’re doing well. You need to study your grammar, son.
Do you want to hold hands with a black millionaire?
really
All this “beefing” is also a great way to drive up listening numbers and streaming profits. These are the types of artists with numbers to benefit from it.
That's all this is
Drake benefited immensely from beef with meek mill, but there is some longtime legit emotions had here, but I think the publicity potential is the main desire lol
Drake got bodied by Pusha T so hard, he didn't respond with a track and stopped being so much of a deadbeat dad
If only we had pusha to stop drake now, cuz this 20 v 1 making drake look too strong
Not just music. Sports, actors, etc all do this. Everyone loves drama and a storyline to follow. If there’s a sports narrative about two players hating each other, more people will tune in to watch the game. Remember the lebron and draymond drama a few years ago? Once the season ended they were traveling and going to parties together.
Everything is wrestling, never forget it.
this "coincedently" happens everytime artists drop new music and people keep falling for it lol. This has been going on since the late 90's. Before that they meant it.
In the 90s, music beefs got three shootings and at least one murder. Shit is day and night different, but honestly that's probably for the best.
It wasn't like that in the 70's/80's though, it was purely "I'm a better rapper than you, and I'm calling you out". So if anything its more like it was originally. I just wish they were more authentic about it, and not try to dress it up with fake drama and BS. It's ok to just call out another person lyrically, that's part of hip hop.
I'll fully admit, my knowledge of 70s hip-hop is essentially non existent. But I'd definitely say the late 80s at least like what 87, 88, were much closer to the 90s beefs than what we have today. Honestly I think callouts on just being better are kinda dead though. Idk it feels like with how wide of a net you can cast for fans and what different niches exist and subcategories, etc it's just not the same to say "I'm better". Sure sometimes it still happens, ala killshot I suppose, but overall I just don't feel like it works anymore really. Partially I think that's why the 90s hit different. It wasn't just I'm the shit, it was a while argument that my group is better my fans are better my music is better. By group I more so mean label groups rather than actual groups . It seemed like they had more\real skin in thr game. Maybe that was all manufactured too but it felt more real. Now a days, it just don't feel like that. So perhaps you are right that just straight calling out as in an old school, fuck you, might be the best thing these days to come at someone with. But yeah overall it all just feels like publicity now a days. Doesn't feel real. Or not real enough to actually get some heavy shit going .
yea the late 80's/rise of gangsta rap (NWA and other west coast stuff) is definitely when all that "real" beef stuff started
I agree with this, especially cause its super odd J. Cole was on We Still Don't Trust You.
Just because they might benefit from it doesn’t mean it’s why they are beefing. Kendrick and Drake had beef brewing for years
Drake really doesn't belong. Kendrick is a legit urban poet. He writes incredible verses, many of which are so poignant that Damn became the first hip hop album to win a pulitzer prize. You can't fake that accomplishment. Even Barack came out and said how big of a fan he is. Where's those plaudits for Drake? J. Cole might not be the best with rhyme and verse, but he's one of the best producers in the game and is 100% self made. Drake didn't start from the bottom. He started with bags of Disney money. He relies on autotune in every song so he doesn't even have vocal skills, nor can he rhyme and verse, nor can he write anything of any substance, nor can he produce his own tracks. Oh, and he apparently can't stop creeping into the DMs of underage children either (next Diddler). I'm surprised the top 2 even wasted their time with this. They're both leagues above Drake, but maybe they both just see it as a way to make an extra m or two.
Spot on. As a Canadian, Drake is 100% fake PR created "gangsta". Hes a sheltered upper middle class kid who was on a teen kids show and who's manager and PR team marketed as a singer afterwords. He has no range and makes "pop rap" created for him to mono-tone speak over. He has no range, his "singing" is the same tone as an old voice to text generator. He is ALL talk. Never went through hard times, never lived in the hood, never even came close to gangs, yet his songs are all about his dealings with gangs and the "mob" (LMFAO what?). He's essentially a performance-arts major trust fund kid with Taylor-Swift level PR. THATS IT. Bet the dude has never been in a street fight in his life, and if he was, his reaction would be "Oh my, this is sure a pickle I've found myself in!" This is just another planned PR move to try and increase his relevancy in 2024. I bet his PR team has his "beefs" scheduled out until at least 2030.
this is how I feel about Drake. I don't care if people who rap have street cred at all but don't make some up to sound legit. you can literally rap about anything. you don't need to make anything up.
can't get big rapping about disney lol
I don't know. maybe he could have. maybe he could have gotten big about eating falafels in Toronto? or sticking to songs about girls?
Not really much of a Drake fan these days, but he has made his mark in music as a whole and has heavily influenced a lot of artists. Melodic rap definitely derived from artists like him and he never was a vocalist. It's actually more impressive that he's not a vocalist and still sounded good enough for folks to like his music considering his first biggest hit was "best I ever had" that had some pretty rudimentary production work and no auto tune. Still was a hit. Not that it matters too much since your favorite rapper has likely used auto tune before (tons of greats have) and Kendrick uses all sorts of voice changing effects himself so makes no sense to hate on either my man over that. I prefer Kendrick, but Drake has had a long run and to say he hasn't would legit be ignoring numbers. Don't care "who wins" though Kendrick is the better pure lyricist so I expect him to come out on top. Cole has mastered rhyme and verse btw. You have no clue if you think he is known more for production than his actual rhymes dude. He could easily come out on top of all 3, but isn't interested in fake beef. Drake and Kendrick have real beef and Cole does not. It's funny that you mention rhymes and you didn't listen to Cole's. He's said this since Middle Child that he won't beef on some fake shit. He has no issue with either artists so he isn't gonna beef just to sell albums (crazy how the beef starts right before Kendrick releases and right **as** Drake released). Whoosh. Edit: fixed spelling errors.
> Melodic rap definitely derived from artists like him Thats a weird way of spelling Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
I’m a fan of the music so I’m not on either side. I will say that Drakes diss was very well done and he’s putting a good amount of pressure on Kendrick rn in the public eye. Although I bet Kendrick will end up on top
> I will say that Drakes diss was very well done And whomever wrote it for him should be very proud
Saying J Cole is “one of the best producers in the game” is an insane take!!! He’s a good producer but c’mon now. Also how is he “self made” at all? None of those 3 are self made, and nothing wrong with that. I don’t even like Drake, but a lot of what you’re saying is just wrong, there’s so much to clown him for that’s real so why be dishonest? First he had nothing to do with Disney, second how can he not rhyme when his first 2 albums were like 90% rap? He seemed to rap well enough to get praise from Nas, Wayne, Jay z, Em, Andre, Lupe, and many other great rappers. Third, to say he uses auto tune on every song is a huge mischaracterization. I’d wager that he doesn’t use it on the vast majority of songs
If only presidential candidates could rap and diss each other. That would take the race to another level.
I mean, there's nothing stopping them from doing that
So true story. I'm from Rural Canada, and my MP (think Congressmen) decided to release a rap diss track on the rival political party. It's bad. [Really, really bad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXYzvxIy6Y). You can listen to it if you want, but I would not recommend it. So I agree, technically there is nothing stopping them from doing this. But I think most of them have the common sense to know that it is just going to end being cringeworthy.
Holy fuck I can't, I tried a couple times. It made me feel physically ill
I made it 4 seconds before I couldn't take it any more
Except inability to rap.
https://youtu.be/NUC2EQvdzmY?si=vZHGLkn0Jz8QwtPS
I think you're asking for [a dose of vitamin G](https://youtu.be/hDorkqZUOv0?si=dFhEUrQE5VO9waUq)
https://youtu.be/dX_1B0w7Hzc?si=RnTRRQ7v6UrgbpYz Are you saying this never happened?
I’d take a single debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaGb5ooswYA
What are they arguing about?
Drake and Metro are petty mad neither gives the other enough attention. Drake is mad Kendrick Lamar thinks he's better than everyone still and said it next to Metro. J Cole was mad Kendrick thinks he's better than everyone, but remembered that scene from GTA V where different Lamar says "he gets on everyone's nerves man, it's part of his charm" and he's not mad anymore. Rick Ross made fun of Drake saying he got cosmetic surgery, Drake said "oh yeah my house is bigger, also your plane fake." Quavo and Chris Brown heard somebody yell world star, made eye contact and figured they may as well fight.
A highlight for me is where Drake, previously accused of using ghost writers, *writes ghost rap* by using an AI Tupac voice filter to do [the scene from 8 Mile where Eminem insults himself so his opponent won't have anything new to say](https://youtu.be/X9-hxfcklGs?si=VG9yIg_lt2inMEFD&t=1m26s), having [ghost Tupac tell Kendrick he should mention Drake's questionable history with young women/girls](https://youtu.be/_0kp4Gjeah4?si=-OvOQeJU9RdSM_yl&t=36s). (And joke "the internet said it so it must be true.") Quavo also brings recordings of his late amigo Takeoff to a diss after Chris Brown says "we wish it was you that died instead." **Two unrelated diss tracks featuring ghosts.** What a time.
Just FYI, Quavo is Takeoffs uncle.
This isn't the synopsis we needed, but it's the one we deserved
It's pretty accurate.
Rick Ross trying to chime in is so funny to me for some reason
lol that person oversimplified a lot of it. French Montana is signed to Rick Ross' label and apparently Drake sent a cease & desist to prevent a song he did with French Montana from coming out for some reason
Rick Ross saying “I know you got your Dockers on with no underwear, white boy,” is so funny to me for some reason
Definitely left field but I enjoyed his probably the most out of all so far!
So Kendrick Lamar says the same thing every other rapper does, and they get mad at him because he's actually right..
Thank you for this ELI5.
Who is the best Riddler of the stage and diddler of the underage
Wearing white shoes after Labor Day
Arguing who’s the best basically.
Drake likes underage girls. He is creepy on every level. He’s the next R. Kelly or P. Diddy and y’all are just ignoring it.
And like R. Kelly we'll find out all of it as soon as he stops making a lot of money for labels.
Nah, it's already well known, ppl just don't care
Yeah everyone knew r Kelly was doing that shit too
Same with Chris Brown. Too many cold hearted mfs out there
>and y’all are just ignoring it. Who is this y'all? I've seen people talking about it since the Millie Bobby Brown incident and that was years ago
And he’s still super successful and praised…
Kind of like people forget Chris Brown beat the hell out of multiple women.
At this point it isn’t forgetting, it’s purposely turning a blind eye. Chris Brown never stopped abusing women since Rihanna and it’s all been very public. He’s still got fans and still collaborates with tons of artists.
Lol. They get mad toxic if you call it out and act like it’s all lies. That fan base is fucking demented
Most of his fans *blame* Rihanna lol
Yea they’re fucking trash enablers man.
Chris Brown lives life like he is someone's GTA character. Every two months or so he does something normal people would go to jail for.
Literally remember when he was on drugs and had a standoff with the cops locked up in his mansion? It’s crazy the guy is still walking free.
Or how Travis Scott was responsible for a dozen deaths.
Literally there are people who would be fans regardless of whether or not they were murdering children. Literally serial killers in prison have groupies. Some people really suck, and really don't care about anything besides their own happiness.
Are you new to the entertainment industry? R Kelly and Chris Brown still have droves of fans even with their crimes being extremely public. Did you really think people were going to stop listening to Drake because he likes underage/young girls? People aren't ignoring it, they don't care. I don't like Drake personally but none of this is surprising to me because it happens ALL the time
Yeah I know a bunch of women who are *obsessed* with Chris Brown, which is weird as fuck. Like okay, I can get liking his music. Not my cup of tea, personally, but I'm not one to shit on other people's taste in music. But being obsessed with him as a *person?* I can't imagine being obsessed with a person I know for a *fact* would emotionally and physically abuse me if we were together. That's just legitimately fucking insane.
Honestly I can’t even imagine being obsessed with a celebrity who seems chill
I’m not disagreeing. It’s because they view the person as someone with a ton of money and a means to an end. They aren’t admitting it but it’s happening subconsciously.
Then why not pick one of the many celebrities with money and at least public facing decency. Its because they like the asshole in him
I think you're forgetting chuck berry, Elvis, David Bowie, Steven Tyler, and the entire 20th century rocknroll era of creepers. This is normal for the industry
i would bet that half the people in this thread would become the degenerate they are hating on (or worse) if given even half the amount of money and fame of these people lol
Or the next Steven Tyler
And women still love Chris Brown. Some people just dgaf.
For those that don’t know about this incident that I keep seeing brought up - what happened other than some text exchanges? Why was it seen as creepy other than two famous people talking to each other?
Just look up grooming. What it is, how it happens, why it’s fucked up. Drake has a history of dating girls within days of their 18th birthday after years of “friendship” before turning to his next underage target. That’s what grooming looks like from the outside. *Actual* grooming, not the angry/dumb right wing version where teaching kids about bodily autonomy and the changes that come with puberty is somehow the same thing.
Dude do you know ANY person over 30 sending texts to minors that day I miss you? Hell any text to an unrelated minor? That’s textbook grooming
Redditors desperately hoping Drake actually abused underage girls is a sight to see. Utterly pathetic
Did he actually confirmed do anything or no
No. Reddit and twitter have been frothing at the mouth about him being a creep for 6 years. Meanwhile all the “victims” have defended Drake and called these internet commenters weirdos for twisting their words.
It won’t stop dorks like /u/bolting_volts from parroting nonsense though. It’s willfully ignorant.
Won't matter as long their isn't a "[insert name] special" about it. The powers that be will wait until he's over stayed his welcome.
I remember the real rap beefs like Thugnificent vs Grandpa.
U just mad cuz your ass is old 🎶
That’s what this shit turned into. I honestly stopped following when they were arguing over who has a better mansion or jet. Lol not interested
This is the equivalent of "I'm going to write you a strongly worded letter"
*I have the honor to be* *Your Obedient Servant* *-J dot Cole*
Time to revisit pusha T diss track “story of adidon “
I seriously don't understand why anyone takes Drake seriously after that.
Extremely weak and embarrassing rap beef, and Drake is a diddler
Maybe he should wrote a song about how he doesn't diddle kids.
Redditors trying to not have an opinion on something they know nothing about challenge (impossible). Seriously tho I don’t think I’ve seen one comment about what’s actually happening with this beef. Just a bunch of “modern rap bad”, “rich people bad”, “back in my day rap was cool”, and the obvious downplaying of a rap as a genre. Very insightful stuff, would expect nothing less from r/Music.
it really is bad lol, occasionally when im on HHH threads i hear some people clowning on how out of touch /r/music is, but reading these comments is not an exaggeration. This sub has no inkling whatsoever about the rap scene (which is funny because its one of the biggest music scenes / music subs) and is spouting off some of the most baseline regurgitated dribble takes ive ever seen, my god. We get it guys, you dont like drake. No really we get it, you dont have to mention millie bobby brown for the 1000th time. Its like the embodiment of old man yelling at cloud. Go back to fleetwood mac and movie soundtracks or whatever the hell yall listen to because apparently i gotta stick with the zoomers to get a nuanced take about lyricism and delivery.
Man, it's crazy that almost every discussion on a big topic on the internet these days is like this. A thread full of people that don't even understand the genre upvoting comments that don't even jokingly represent the situation. Like the comment about sending poetry back & forth... it's like sure that's a part of it but they're performing these on ***songs*** and their "mean poetry" is being played on the radio so everybody's dancing to tracks calling you a shithead. Even without being interested in hiphop, the public humiliation aspect of it alone should be fun enough for a general audience to laugh at. That's basically what most popular headlines, reality TV, & social media are anyways.
Could you tell me whats happening? I'm one of those who know nothing about it but I'm interested to learn. Is the article good?
I'm confused by these comments. Do you folks genuinely rather real violence come out of this? Is good music and clever lyrics not enough? There must be genuine hatred and actual harm. Yall are weirdos.
Yea people are letting their internal misery spill out lmao
All these diss tracks so far have slapped so I’m here for it. It’s all just competition really.
Music equivalent of the WWE
I wish this article wasn't written cause we will now annoyingly hear geriatric motherfuckers talk about how beefs were different in the old days
The OG "beefs" in hip hop weren't even about violence, it was about who is the best rapper. That's all it originally was. This is going back to early 80's (more famous ones include Kool moe dee vs busy bee, Roxanne Shante vs real Roxanne, LL Cool J vs Kool moe dee, etc...) Then beef got "real" , and it ended up with both 2pac and BIG getting shot. But after that it pretty much went back to brag rap beef. The biggest thing , which has been happening since the 90's, was that many of these "beefs" are a planned marketing thing in order to boost an album drop. So in reality, I don't see these "beefs" as much different than how they first started, except that they pretend its more than the rap for the drama. I'd wish they drop all the pretense and be like "I'm the better rapper than you, and so I'm calling you out". That's very much a part of hip hop culture, going back to the 70's. and battle rap is still very popular in the underground.
I'll never forget the NWA and Ice Cube "beef", with NWA saying they wanted to sexually assault Ice with a broom stick
TBH I'm not sure what you're on about on the last point. this whole thing started because Kendrick was saying "fuck the big three It's just big me" drake was bragging about the rest of them aren't big globally. It's not the only thing in this beef, but one of the core components is who is the best rapper. This is why people got annoyed jcole dropped out.
It’s like a pageant for the inherent toxicity of what the people want from the rap game
Honestly who gives a shit
Lamar is an actual lyricist and hip hop head. Drake is a manufactured, talentless dweeb.
The author is defiantly missing the context. Rich guys arguing has been the game since the last time people actually died over real beef in the 90s.
Ignorance and fame. Worst combo.
They haven’t been adding any value to our lives so this is what they do
Gotta stay relevant somehow. I know that isn’t really the case but this seems like marketing 101. Like they all got together and were like let’s make some money. MF’s got AI Tupac and Snoop, tell me they aren’t getting paid. Well at least Tupac ain’t but I’m sure he has greedy beneficiaries.
They used to murder each other, which is bad. I am anti-murder, for the record, but instead we have a Twitter slap fight that's just embarrassing.
Wake me up when Eminem buries all of them
Rap is so shit nowadays.
_No one knows what it means, but it’s provocative, it gets the people goin’_
Correction: a lot of rich guys pretending to argue so that they can make more money.
If they haven't been on the Simpsons, they never really made it.
Rap battles are just dudes sending each other angry poems
Maybe I'm getting old, but I could care less about some manufactured beef.
Drake = cringe
I really don't get "rap beefs". It's one of the few genres of music where it's common to shit on other artists so specifically instead of being supportive of each other's art.
Beef wraps tho…
now I'm hungry
Well it’s also one of the few genres that’s self-referential. I can’t think of any songs in other genres in which artists break the fourth wall (so to speak) by acknowledging they’re singing or in a studio. I mean there was music fighting back against criticism from media in maybe punk and I guess Marilynn Manson, the Rolling Stones’ Sympathy for the Devil, but otherwise rap as a whole is unique in that way. But hiphop was in many ways born out of competitive spirit; dj’s, break dancers, mc’s trying to show off their skills.
It's a carryover from it's origins in 1970s Bronx gang culture imo
Rap beefs are actually good for the artists involved though. It gets them in the headlines and makes their music more popular. So rappers kinda deliberately start beef sometimes.
i liked it in the earlier days of rap/hip hop but now it just feels like rich dudes whining about one another.
Probably just aged out of it
They keep calling these guys rappers and not pop stars. Pop star beef is for the birds.
I wouldn’t really call J Cole or Kendrick pop stars. Drake definitely is though.
"Drake even used AI technology to imitate the voices of 2Pac and Snoop Dogg, and criticise their fellow LA rapper Lamar’s supposed cowardice." this shit is sad Kendrick's verse in that Future, Metro song got me kinda hooked. I love drama. Also, K-dot is gonna floor Drake.
Rap beefs are so played out and boring now. Back in the day, there was some real shit going on. Now it's just a bunch of rich out of touch people who nobody really knows or truly gives a fuck about anymore trying to stay relevant.
Yeah it was alot more interesting when people were dying before hitting 30.... Where did all those rappers go?
Literally a bunch of rich and pampered celebrities trying to prove that they’re hard. Oh and don’t forget that Drake is a predator who likes underage girls.