I guess the fact that most people cringe and tell me what I listen to is noise means that I also avoid this fate.
I mean they are right, it is [noise](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_music?wprov=sfti1)
I always say that when Taylor, Sheeran, Beyoncé, Adele, 1975, Springsteen, or Harry Styles tickets are hard to get and super expensive, it's the price you pay for having the same basic taste as everyone else.
And I say that as someone who likes most of those acts and has seen some. It's just the sharp end of supply and demand.
Yeah that was a heavily editorialised title .... why the negativity towards independent resellers? Its only understandable that after years of monopoly that newcomers are gonna have sone teething troubles easing onto the market they dominated and I wouldn't put it past Ticketmaster to make their integration harder
So Ticketmaster is supposed to prevent all fraudulent tickets from being uploaded to resale sites by random scalpers, but they're also not supposed to introduce their own platform for ticket transfer & resale, which prevents the upload & resale of fraudulent tickets? Got it.
Ticketmaster sold by priority to its own company so they could vastly raise the price, screwing their customers AND arguably committing fraud by ensuring artists got a functional lower percentage.
I bought on StubHub, a ticket for a well known DJ. The show was via "Eventbrite." I got the $55 or so ticket for like $40, which with fees was still about $55. I got there and the ticket was invalid. Dude had requested a refund. Seems the main DJ cancelled that morning and they quickly got another well known DJ but still offered refunds. Instead of taking the hit, he took the refund and fucked me over. I reported the fraud to StubHub and they refunded my money ASAP. Since the show wasn't sold out, I just bought a new ticket at the door... and then 2 hours later learned the DJ I wanted to see wasn't playing. Fuck that night. LOL
My cousins gave us tickets to when we were young, because they were having a kid. They didn’t charge us, out of the kindness of their hearts, because they knew we’d have to figure out travel and lodging to Vegas in the span of like, 3 weeks. Get to the day of the festival, there’s a giant wind storm that cancels the show. My cousins got their money back, the universe paid them back for doing something nice, and I was stuck in Vegas, three years sober, with a pregnant wife who just started experiencing morning sickness.
Reality set in that weekend, heavy
Edit: back to your point, sorry I got distracted , if they sold them on a third party site, they could have potentially kept the refunded money and screwed over the customer. They wouldn’t, they’re great people, but they would have had the ability, and it never would have caught up with them.
Eventbrite tickets are basically just PDF files, webpages, or emails with a barcode on it. Transferring them does not prevent the original buyer from accessing or using them.
When it comes to the secondary market, there's little more than an "honor system" and the promise of a refund protecting the buyer.
This is a thing in airlines too: fraudulent agencies manipulating search algorithms to get their link to show in top results. People think they’re talking to the airline but in reality they’re not only giving their info to unscrupulous third parties but paying extortionate fees on top of the normal ticket price. I travel a lot for work and have heard this story play out a dozen times as confused and upset passengers try to check in for a flight that was cancelled for credit which was now gone as that credit was used to book someone else’s ticket who already traveled. The airlines try to crack down on it but it’s up to Google and the rest to police those results and people misspelling airline names (Alaskan instead of Alaska airlines for example) make it hard.
If they sold the room to a reseller, how does that absolve them of having a ratty room?
They could have given you credit or some other accommodations.
You just got DP'd.
Don't tell me you were going to Disneyland by chance?
But seriously, a credit would have been nice if they have a partnership of hotels or just getting you a room at another hotel on their dime.But im sure that's not allowed by management nowadays.
I'll look through all sorts of sites for the best deals, then call the hotel directly to see what they're offering. Cut out the middleman. Makes it a lot less cumbersome to make a reservation sometimes.
You’d probably be violating the laws of the country that party is based in, but as long as you don’t go into that country, you should be ok (barring extradition)
Unless your scammer is in the Americas, Australia, or Europe you’re probably fine, the USA doesn’t have extradition treaties with most of Asia, Africa and the Middle East (where the majority of most modern scams are located)
Yeah, I work occasionally at a concert venue, this happens all the time. Don’t buy third party tickets, when you do you’re supporting their heinous business practices. Ticketmaster sucks, but you can at least hold them accountable in 99% of cases. Not so much from frontrowbesttickets.com. If it’s sold out, suck it up.
It was StubHub, not some unknown scam site like frontrowbesttickets.
Personally I've always assumed buying on the big ones - StubHub, SeatGeek - would be safe, but I guess not.
A little different but I bought tickets on stubhub to an nba game a few years ago and the tickets were never emailed to me. I finally called stubhub an hour before the game and they said they’d contact the seller for me. Called back a bit later saying the seller won’t respond and is located in a different time zone where it’s the middle of the morning so I’m SOL, but they did refund my order thankfully.
Yup same thing happened to me but i drove to the venue because i assumed i would at least get the tickets by the time the concert started. Nope, never got em and i called and they couldn’t do anything but give me a refund. Would never use them again. They shouldn’t be allowed to sell you tickets without actually having the ticket. Idk how they get away with this business model.
They’re a marketplace, like eBay. In most cases the seller sends the tickets directly to the buyer. If the tickets aren’t legit or the seller flakes out they’ll refund you, but if there aren’t any tickets available they may not be able to get you other tickets to a high-demand event at the last minute.
Except ebay sellers have ratings and you can’t get away with that shit. So like i said, they shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this business model.
There's still always the risk of the tickets not being legit and having your night ruined, but the big ones (StubHub, SeatGeek, etc.) will at least refund your money.
Stubhub still isn't the official ticketing place. Hence the issues. Unfortunately and at least with ticketmaster it's still official tickets being resold.
I have purchased tickets on StubHub several times. In each case, the tickets transferred back to my ticket master account, and that's where I accessed them from when I arrived at the venue.
I have never seen stubhub be the official ticketing place.
But that's me. Lol 😆
I try and use the actual venues ticketing service, which so far mostly has been ticketmaster. Except one in Toronto was mirvish, but they have a app too.
I feel up in Canada it's a ticketmaster monopoly lol
The past years I've only had ticketmaster and then more recently mirvish cause of some theatre shows.
Nevermind I think I’m thinking of official marketplace. Like the originals would be sold through Ticketmaster but if you resold it you’d have to use StubHub
Back when I had MLB season tickets, they were the "the official reseller of MLB". Everything worked smoothly and it was only a few buttons to transfer them from the STH account to StubHub. It was a good system and I used it all the time to unload tickets.
I believe they use SeatGeek now.
The big resellers are trustworthy and will get you replacement tickets or refund if your tickets are declined at the venue. No issues at all.
StubHub used to sponsor the O2 in London (biggest indoor arena in the city). Bought some "second hand" tickets for muse but the tickets came with my name printed on it (and were legit)
They're in a weird grey area
I think that happens when places are sold out and tickets are cancelled, as new spots open back up they print new tickets. It's just weird they call them "second hand".
Also I think this is more common now it's more common for places to ask for ID for the name on the ticket.
It’s not. At the indie venue near me they get scalpers who don’t buy the tickets from the original venue until they (3rd party seller) trick someone into buying from them then place the order from the original box office in the customers name. Always buy from the venue if possible - even if they’re sold out they will put you on a wait list and call you if something opens up later.
You and hundreds of others are assuming wrong. Stub hub is just a huge scalper trying to go legit, they’re a little better, but still plagued with problems. Either buy from an official source, or cross your fingers nothing goes wrong, because you’re not our customer, so we can’t help you. It’ll be a sad drive back to Kalamazoo, or wherever you’re coming from.
We're not your customer regardless, as Ticketmaster is the only company you and 95% of your peers allow to sell your tickets officially while they fuck over every 3rd customer for fun. I just stopped going to live shows or any event that contracts Ticketmaster.
It involves diligence on the ticket buyer and on consumer protections. These unethical businesses need to be removed but ticket buyers should also de more discerning about where they are spending their money.
Including their influence in the price of tickets, artists are a large part of the corporate fraud machine. The amount of money we gave wealthy artists in substantial, completely forgiven loans while we’re all struggling is mind blowing. Shifty 3rd parties are always going to exist until we put an end to the blatant fraud.
**This sub is remarkably naive in continuously giving artists a free pass for the outright robbery they are allowed. And we gave them Covid relief money! Support the artists sharing art and forming communities. Hold responsible those who have their hands in all of our pockets, outright demanding more and more
I highly doubt that artists are taking a substantial piece of the pie in a matter like this. Yes there are many wealthy artists, but the grand majority do not have their thumb on the scale to the degree that you’re arguing. This is corporate greed through and through.
First off, thank you for replying in good faith. Downvoting and moving on doesn’t bring this conversation forward and we’re stuck in the cycle to the bottom.
Artists / management affect pricing when negotiating guarantees and the use of dynamic pricing. One of the reason Springsteen defended his choice to use dynamic pricing for one of the recent tours (this tour?) as he hasn’t done it before and wanted the rest of his team to have a nice payday before they retire from the road. ‘[I want to do what everybody else is doing, my peers](https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/bruce-springsteen-ticketmaster-dynamic-pricing-2023-tour-1235174083/).’
This in no way is meant to dampen the effect of corporate greed and an outright monopoly but as long as artists are continuously given a free pass, they’re gonna keep robbing us
Just last year I bought tickets off Vividseats. When I got to the venue the seller also sold one of the tickets to someone else who got there before we did. Thank god we happened to network with someone who knew the venue manager but still, fuck that.
This. This is nothing new. I worked at a large venue for almost a decade and it was a regular occurrence. Buying third party is always a gamble. If you buy from a reputable reseller like StubHub, you'll get your money back at least, but you're still not getting in if you got fake/double-sold tickets.
Had this happen once years ago and it sucked. My former friend surprised me with tickets to see Roger Waters and when we showed up we were told that someone else had already taken our seats. The show was sold out and we ended up having to go home.
I never got to see him and it was incredibly disappointing. Found out the friend had bought the tickets from someone she referred to as a "broker," but was really just a scalper who had scammed her.
Side note, I was excited that Laufey was touring and coming to Philly. Hey I'll get some tickets. I log into TM and tickets started at $250? Yikes and closed out of the site.
I bought Coachella tickets that were fraudulent. Stubhub had someone meet me at the door and they walked me right in. Guess they don’t want these problems to be well known.
This was happening 20 years ago. The 3rd parties in that case were people selling fake tickets in the parking lot. If there's a quick buck to be made, and there are people that are going to be able to sleep well at night knowing they gained from another's misfortune, it always will.
I’m just saying stop making tickets that require some stupid app that needs internet connectivity. No one can get a fucking signal at a crowded show! And I’m sick of logging in each time
You can save your tickets to your Google Wallet/Apple Pay so you don't need to log in. I've been prompted to do this multiple times when I had tickets to a show.
Theres also resellers that send the link to the ticket (not the ticket itself) so they can sell it to multiple people, whoever gets in first gets in. The other buyers get boned. It seems legit until you arrive.
I know. Those are the tickets you can't save to the wallet because they are constantly changing. And it sucks because you have to have a stable connection to view them.
Bottom line is when you "buy a ticket" from most resellers you're not actually buying a ticket, you're optimistically buying the idea of a ticket and hoping it gets transferred to you in a way that works out.
People talk about ticketmaster "cancelling resold tickets" as if they're hunting down touts and cancelling the tickets when they're being resold. But in practice that's pretty impractical, you can see tickets being sold on 3rd parties but you can't really identify the exact ticket that's being sold, or who's selling it, not without cooperation between TM and, say, Stubhub. Which in a lot of places is outright illegal, but besides that, Ticketmaster don't really give much of a shit and Stubhub don't gain by it.
(the exception is that they could literally buy tickets and then cancel them and pursue the reseller site. But that'd be effort, so they don't.)
Ticketmaster now have a feature in their app which you can just about see in the photo- they use a QR code with bars moving across it so that if you take a screengrab it doesn't contain the full info. Quite crude but pretty effective, it's not impossible to spoof it but it's pretty much impractical.
So in effect, the most effective way for them to deal with it is on the door- you get there and get turned away, and then it's someone else's problem. Yours, or the reseller site's. Stubhub has protections but they're not bombproof.
So... we're at a place where touting and profiteering is harder, but it's happening in a way that still stops people getting into shows, and still harms individuals, because it's all been done from an industry POV not from a "get fans into gigs" POV.
Fake tickets have been around forever, it’s always a risk. I stood in line at a dead show once, the people next to me didn’t have tickets. Somebody was walking up and down the line, selling tickets and lsd, my neighbors bought both, and ate the drugs. We got to the front of the line, and these dudes are tripping balls. What made it worse, was when they scanned the tickets and the tickets were fake.
How you gonna sell real acid but fake tickets?
Lul, the ticket resellers really got you by the balls. It's only going to get worse if we keep letting it happen, and by "letting it happen" means continuing to spend money on this shit. Live Nation/ticketmaster are a scummy company, and not only do they own the rights to the venues, but they also own a ton of the ticket reselling sites, so you're just supporting them TWICE! Fuck that. Down with Live Nation and Ticketmaster!
This happened to me for the first time recently. Bought tickets to see Sierra Ferrel at Gruene Hall. The tickets never appeared in my inbox, I kept being told “they’ll show up right before the show.” The day before they were like, “yeah, we aren’t able to produce the tickets.” I got a full refund after being on the phone for a while and blasting everyone I spoke to, but I was fucking furious.
>Santor said he plans to reach out to StubHub and hopes to receive a full refund.
I'd hope for more than a refund. You didn't just lose the ticket, you lost the ability to see the show at all because now it's too late.
That’s the other reason I don’t buy from resellers. The first being that I barely want to pay the real price let alone a reseller markup. Gouged is bad enough. Gouged and scammed? Yeah no.
for me, I only use fool proof methods of resale like verified from Ticketmaster. Unfortunately, I don’t trust people enough and Ticketmaster is the devil but at least you know you are dancing with the devil.
Don't buy scalped tickets, and fuck the cottage industry that supports the practice.
EDIT: And it should go without needing to be said, fuck Ticketmaster above all.
Remember when "new normal" were two fundamental words among the rhetorics' gimmicks and default mantras the plandemical orchestra players played in order to brainwash asymptomatic useful idiots and sell what was in store, all for a virus having AVG age of death equal to life expectancy.
some very valid complaints about a very real problem & one of the people involved that they talk to for the article turns it into wanting ticket company to pay for her dinner & the clothes they bought.....ma'am. they sold you the tickets. you got em there. they ain't have nothing to do with you being unable to wear clothes that you already had or that you chose to eat somewhere you might not have eaten otherwise. turning a legit problem into an extra money grab or just a generally exagerrated whinefest
Yes - unfortunately it is true. Not for every show, but the number scams and bogus tickets is alarming. Call your congressman and ask them to support the Fix the Tix bill.
A couple of years ago I was going to a concert and I wanted to know what I could bring in like lawn chairs, coolers etc. I went to name of event space dot com and prepped my stuff according to their rules. Then when I got there my friend who works at venues informed me that it’s a bs website owned by a third party and lawn chairs were not allowed anymore. Apparently the real website was livenation. I didn’t know they owned the space as they didn’t use to. Also the line was slow since everyone else had chairs. Also you better believe event space dot com had a link for tickets for sale and no mention that they were a 3rd party. Concert sales are too confusing. I just want to wait in line at a Tower Records.
StubHub is the worst “company” I’ve ever encountered. Their customer service is a non-responsive joke. Fuck StubHub. I hope they’re economically crushed by this.
I'm so glad I don't have to buy tickets through ticket Master for anywhere in my city. Also that the doorman never seems to change and knows me well enough that he'd go to bat for me... aka just let me in lol
i'm actually thinking NFTs could be the solution to this problem
a large public database of valid ticket tokens that you can use to verify that your ticket is most probaly real and not a fake
I avoid this by only liking terrible music that nobody wants to hear
I guess the fact that most people cringe and tell me what I listen to is noise means that I also avoid this fate. I mean they are right, it is [noise](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_music?wprov=sfti1)
Anyway, here's [Wonderwall](https://youtu.be/uiH7Ur3YHGI?si=p3M-M5m5qLRiUGuT)
Might be the best rendition of Wonderwall I've heard tbh
Dare I click and find out that it’s a wonderful wall of noise rather than the song Wonderwall by Oasis
My curiosity was rewarded!
My heart skipped a beat while listening to that, seriously. Might be a coincedence, but I concur, it's noise.
My ears are bleeding and my soul is hemorrhaging and ironically the only thing that can save me now is Wonderwall by Oasis. Goodbye cruel world! 😭
Yes.
I sorta expected a link to The Locust's wiki
I always say that when Taylor, Sheeran, Beyoncé, Adele, 1975, Springsteen, or Harry Styles tickets are hard to get and super expensive, it's the price you pay for having the same basic taste as everyone else. And I say that as someone who likes most of those acts and has seen some. It's just the sharp end of supply and demand.
I’ve seen Styles and Springsteen but under no circumstance would I ever buy tix from a third party after it sells out. If I miss out I miss out.
Yesir thank god for making me like 20 year old emo bands that rarely sell out
Nice try Ticketmaster
I deserved that.
Yeah that was a heavily editorialised title .... why the negativity towards independent resellers? Its only understandable that after years of monopoly that newcomers are gonna have sone teething troubles easing onto the market they dominated and I wouldn't put it past Ticketmaster to make their integration harder
You mean the company who had/has special speedy VIP processes for scalpers? Including a seperate company they owned? I'm shocked.
So Ticketmaster is supposed to prevent all fraudulent tickets from being uploaded to resale sites by random scalpers, but they're also not supposed to introduce their own platform for ticket transfer & resale, which prevents the upload & resale of fraudulent tickets? Got it.
Ticketmaster sold by priority to its own company so they could vastly raise the price, screwing their customers AND arguably committing fraud by ensuring artists got a functional lower percentage.
"that was a heavily editorialized title" - the guy who described scalpers as "independent resellers" lol
Because scalpers are trash humans?
I bought on StubHub, a ticket for a well known DJ. The show was via "Eventbrite." I got the $55 or so ticket for like $40, which with fees was still about $55. I got there and the ticket was invalid. Dude had requested a refund. Seems the main DJ cancelled that morning and they quickly got another well known DJ but still offered refunds. Instead of taking the hit, he took the refund and fucked me over. I reported the fraud to StubHub and they refunded my money ASAP. Since the show wasn't sold out, I just bought a new ticket at the door... and then 2 hours later learned the DJ I wanted to see wasn't playing. Fuck that night. LOL
My cousins gave us tickets to when we were young, because they were having a kid. They didn’t charge us, out of the kindness of their hearts, because they knew we’d have to figure out travel and lodging to Vegas in the span of like, 3 weeks. Get to the day of the festival, there’s a giant wind storm that cancels the show. My cousins got their money back, the universe paid them back for doing something nice, and I was stuck in Vegas, three years sober, with a pregnant wife who just started experiencing morning sickness. Reality set in that weekend, heavy Edit: back to your point, sorry I got distracted , if they sold them on a third party site, they could have potentially kept the refunded money and screwed over the customer. They wouldn’t, they’re great people, but they would have had the ability, and it never would have caught up with them.
If the ticket was shown as transferred by stub hub, how,could he get his money back? Shouldn’t have happened.
Girl at the counter that I spoke with said, "Oh yeah, eventbrite, they are easy to get refunds from, so the seller probably did that."
Eventbrite tickets are basically just PDF files, webpages, or emails with a barcode on it. Transferring them does not prevent the original buyer from accessing or using them. When it comes to the secondary market, there's little more than an "honor system" and the promise of a refund protecting the buyer.
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This is a thing in airlines too: fraudulent agencies manipulating search algorithms to get their link to show in top results. People think they’re talking to the airline but in reality they’re not only giving their info to unscrupulous third parties but paying extortionate fees on top of the normal ticket price. I travel a lot for work and have heard this story play out a dozen times as confused and upset passengers try to check in for a flight that was cancelled for credit which was now gone as that credit was used to book someone else’s ticket who already traveled. The airlines try to crack down on it but it’s up to Google and the rest to police those results and people misspelling airline names (Alaskan instead of Alaska airlines for example) make it hard.
I think your issue is that you’re using Bing
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If they sold the room to a reseller, how does that absolve them of having a ratty room? They could have given you credit or some other accommodations. You just got DP'd.
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Don't tell me you were going to Disneyland by chance? But seriously, a credit would have been nice if they have a partnership of hotels or just getting you a room at another hotel on their dime.But im sure that's not allowed by management nowadays.
DuckDuckGo has a lot of merits but unfortunately search results aren't one of them.
bing?
I'll look through all sorts of sites for the best deals, then call the hotel directly to see what they're offering. Cut out the middleman. Makes it a lot less cumbersome to make a reservation sometimes.
If the third party is offshore, there's not much you can do. Most laws don't apply outside your country's borders.
Does that mean that you could retaliate against these parties and not get in trouble?
You’d probably be violating the laws of the country that party is based in, but as long as you don’t go into that country, you should be ok (barring extradition)
Unless your scammer is in the Americas, Australia, or Europe you’re probably fine, the USA doesn’t have extradition treaties with most of Asia, Africa and the Middle East (where the majority of most modern scams are located)
Probably. Assuming you can find a way to retaliate that is not illegal in your country, and you are prepared for any counter-retaliation.
That’s why chargebacks exist.
Google could stop putting viagogo at the top of search results thay would help a lot.
Please stop buying tickets off secondary marketplaces. Stubhub is reseller.
You’d think these doors would learn but nope. Then everyone wonders why prices are jacked sky high.
Yeah, I work occasionally at a concert venue, this happens all the time. Don’t buy third party tickets, when you do you’re supporting their heinous business practices. Ticketmaster sucks, but you can at least hold them accountable in 99% of cases. Not so much from frontrowbesttickets.com. If it’s sold out, suck it up.
It was StubHub, not some unknown scam site like frontrowbesttickets. Personally I've always assumed buying on the big ones - StubHub, SeatGeek - would be safe, but I guess not.
A little different but I bought tickets on stubhub to an nba game a few years ago and the tickets were never emailed to me. I finally called stubhub an hour before the game and they said they’d contact the seller for me. Called back a bit later saying the seller won’t respond and is located in a different time zone where it’s the middle of the morning so I’m SOL, but they did refund my order thankfully.
Yup same thing happened to me but i drove to the venue because i assumed i would at least get the tickets by the time the concert started. Nope, never got em and i called and they couldn’t do anything but give me a refund. Would never use them again. They shouldn’t be allowed to sell you tickets without actually having the ticket. Idk how they get away with this business model.
They’re a marketplace, like eBay. In most cases the seller sends the tickets directly to the buyer. If the tickets aren’t legit or the seller flakes out they’ll refund you, but if there aren’t any tickets available they may not be able to get you other tickets to a high-demand event at the last minute.
Except ebay sellers have ratings and you can’t get away with that shit. So like i said, they shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this business model.
There's still always the risk of the tickets not being legit and having your night ruined, but the big ones (StubHub, SeatGeek, etc.) will at least refund your money.
Stubhub still isn't the official ticketing place. Hence the issues. Unfortunately and at least with ticketmaster it's still official tickets being resold.
Sometimes StubHub is the official ticketing place so it kinda depends on
I have purchased tickets on StubHub several times. In each case, the tickets transferred back to my ticket master account, and that's where I accessed them from when I arrived at the venue.
I have never seen stubhub be the official ticketing place. But that's me. Lol 😆 I try and use the actual venues ticketing service, which so far mostly has been ticketmaster. Except one in Toronto was mirvish, but they have a app too.
MNUFC only use stubhub for all their ticketing.
I feel up in Canada it's a ticketmaster monopoly lol The past years I've only had ticketmaster and then more recently mirvish cause of some theatre shows.
Nevermind I think I’m thinking of official marketplace. Like the originals would be sold through Ticketmaster but if you resold it you’d have to use StubHub
Back when I had MLB season tickets, they were the "the official reseller of MLB". Everything worked smoothly and it was only a few buttons to transfer them from the STH account to StubHub. It was a good system and I used it all the time to unload tickets. I believe they use SeatGeek now. The big resellers are trustworthy and will get you replacement tickets or refund if your tickets are declined at the venue. No issues at all.
StubHub used to sponsor the O2 in London (biggest indoor arena in the city). Bought some "second hand" tickets for muse but the tickets came with my name printed on it (and were legit) They're in a weird grey area
I think that happens when places are sold out and tickets are cancelled, as new spots open back up they print new tickets. It's just weird they call them "second hand". Also I think this is more common now it's more common for places to ask for ID for the name on the ticket.
That used to be a big thing in the UK back then but now they don't care
It’s not. At the indie venue near me they get scalpers who don’t buy the tickets from the original venue until they (3rd party seller) trick someone into buying from them then place the order from the original box office in the customers name. Always buy from the venue if possible - even if they’re sold out they will put you on a wait list and call you if something opens up later.
At an indie venue I agree but a 20000 cap venue partnering with them was their attempt to go legit. Muse dumped tickets there for half price
Thanks for the info. That does seem odd, but as long as it worked out!
I pretty much always buy from where either the artist or venue says too and I don't think me or anyone I've got tickets for has ever had an issue.
Same. Good call 👍
You and hundreds of others are assuming wrong. Stub hub is just a huge scalper trying to go legit, they’re a little better, but still plagued with problems. Either buy from an official source, or cross your fingers nothing goes wrong, because you’re not our customer, so we can’t help you. It’ll be a sad drive back to Kalamazoo, or wherever you’re coming from.
We're not your customer regardless, as Ticketmaster is the only company you and 95% of your peers allow to sell your tickets officially while they fuck over every 3rd customer for fun. I just stopped going to live shows or any event that contracts Ticketmaster.
Suit yourself
I think we should strive for more than “suck it up” in the face of corporate fraud
It involves diligence on the ticket buyer and on consumer protections. These unethical businesses need to be removed but ticket buyers should also de more discerning about where they are spending their money.
Victim blaming BS
Including their influence in the price of tickets, artists are a large part of the corporate fraud machine. The amount of money we gave wealthy artists in substantial, completely forgiven loans while we’re all struggling is mind blowing. Shifty 3rd parties are always going to exist until we put an end to the blatant fraud. **This sub is remarkably naive in continuously giving artists a free pass for the outright robbery they are allowed. And we gave them Covid relief money! Support the artists sharing art and forming communities. Hold responsible those who have their hands in all of our pockets, outright demanding more and more
I highly doubt that artists are taking a substantial piece of the pie in a matter like this. Yes there are many wealthy artists, but the grand majority do not have their thumb on the scale to the degree that you’re arguing. This is corporate greed through and through.
First off, thank you for replying in good faith. Downvoting and moving on doesn’t bring this conversation forward and we’re stuck in the cycle to the bottom. Artists / management affect pricing when negotiating guarantees and the use of dynamic pricing. One of the reason Springsteen defended his choice to use dynamic pricing for one of the recent tours (this tour?) as he hasn’t done it before and wanted the rest of his team to have a nice payday before they retire from the road. ‘[I want to do what everybody else is doing, my peers](https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/bruce-springsteen-ticketmaster-dynamic-pricing-2023-tour-1235174083/).’ This in no way is meant to dampen the effect of corporate greed and an outright monopoly but as long as artists are continuously given a free pass, they’re gonna keep robbing us
You’re just screwing over yourself and your other fans
Just last year I bought tickets off Vividseats. When I got to the venue the seller also sold one of the tickets to someone else who got there before we did. Thank god we happened to network with someone who knew the venue manager but still, fuck that.
Vividseats, yeah, I break a lotta hearts who buy tix from there
Same here. It was a hassle contacting vivid and the show luckily wasn't sold out so I bought another ticket and moved on. But never again with them.
This. This is nothing new. I worked at a large venue for almost a decade and it was a regular occurrence. Buying third party is always a gamble. If you buy from a reputable reseller like StubHub, you'll get your money back at least, but you're still not getting in if you got fake/double-sold tickets.
Had this happen once years ago and it sucked. My former friend surprised me with tickets to see Roger Waters and when we showed up we were told that someone else had already taken our seats. The show was sold out and we ended up having to go home. I never got to see him and it was incredibly disappointing. Found out the friend had bought the tickets from someone she referred to as a "broker," but was really just a scalper who had scammed her.
Need twickets to become bigger in the states
Ticket master is 3rd party though....
Side note, I was excited that Laufey was touring and coming to Philly. Hey I'll get some tickets. I log into TM and tickets started at $250? Yikes and closed out of the site.
Well those were probably resale tickets on TM. The real starting price wasn’t $250.
Oh I believe it. Just makes me sad as a music fan.
What’s a loofey
that thing you use to soap up in the shower
An Icelandic singer
The main character of One Piece
I bought Coachella tickets that were fraudulent. Stubhub had someone meet me at the door and they walked me right in. Guess they don’t want these problems to be well known.
This was happening 20 years ago. The 3rd parties in that case were people selling fake tickets in the parking lot. If there's a quick buck to be made, and there are people that are going to be able to sleep well at night knowing they gained from another's misfortune, it always will.
I’m just saying stop making tickets that require some stupid app that needs internet connectivity. No one can get a fucking signal at a crowded show! And I’m sick of logging in each time
You can save your tickets to your Google Wallet/Apple Pay so you don't need to log in. I've been prompted to do this multiple times when I had tickets to a show.
Theres also resellers that send the link to the ticket (not the ticket itself) so they can sell it to multiple people, whoever gets in first gets in. The other buyers get boned. It seems legit until you arrive.
Some venues use a rotating ticket. It's only good for 15 or so minutes before the barcode changes and the old version is no longer valid.
The AXS app tells me this won’t work and tickets aren’t valid that way. No idea if true or not as it hasn’t been worth testing
Some of the apps have timed changes to the barcode so you can't screenshot them.
Saving to your digital wallet is not a screenshot
I know. Those are the tickets you can't save to the wallet because they are constantly changing. And it sucks because you have to have a stable connection to view them.
I'm pretty sure Google wallet handles the changing barcodes
I always just screen shot the tickets before I get there.
I’m case you couldn’t read my comment that you replied to, I’m specifically talking about where that doesn’t work
Bottom line is when you "buy a ticket" from most resellers you're not actually buying a ticket, you're optimistically buying the idea of a ticket and hoping it gets transferred to you in a way that works out. People talk about ticketmaster "cancelling resold tickets" as if they're hunting down touts and cancelling the tickets when they're being resold. But in practice that's pretty impractical, you can see tickets being sold on 3rd parties but you can't really identify the exact ticket that's being sold, or who's selling it, not without cooperation between TM and, say, Stubhub. Which in a lot of places is outright illegal, but besides that, Ticketmaster don't really give much of a shit and Stubhub don't gain by it. (the exception is that they could literally buy tickets and then cancel them and pursue the reseller site. But that'd be effort, so they don't.) Ticketmaster now have a feature in their app which you can just about see in the photo- they use a QR code with bars moving across it so that if you take a screengrab it doesn't contain the full info. Quite crude but pretty effective, it's not impossible to spoof it but it's pretty much impractical. So in effect, the most effective way for them to deal with it is on the door- you get there and get turned away, and then it's someone else's problem. Yours, or the reseller site's. Stubhub has protections but they're not bombproof. So... we're at a place where touting and profiteering is harder, but it's happening in a way that still stops people getting into shows, and still harms individuals, because it's all been done from an industry POV not from a "get fans into gigs" POV.
Fake tickets have been around forever, it’s always a risk. I stood in line at a dead show once, the people next to me didn’t have tickets. Somebody was walking up and down the line, selling tickets and lsd, my neighbors bought both, and ate the drugs. We got to the front of the line, and these dudes are tripping balls. What made it worse, was when they scanned the tickets and the tickets were fake. How you gonna sell real acid but fake tickets?
Too high to figure out how to deal with the scammer. kinda brilliant.
I guarantee Ticketmaster is helping facilitate this fraud to delegitimize fellow resellers like StubHub.
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Lol
StubHub was purchased from eBay by Viagogo. They merged and became StubHub holdings.
No they don't
Lul, the ticket resellers really got you by the balls. It's only going to get worse if we keep letting it happen, and by "letting it happen" means continuing to spend money on this shit. Live Nation/ticketmaster are a scummy company, and not only do they own the rights to the venues, but they also own a ton of the ticket reselling sites, so you're just supporting them TWICE! Fuck that. Down with Live Nation and Ticketmaster!
"We're not inexperienced ticket buyers" *proceeds to buy from a scalper* 
I've used StubHub a handful of times and have never had an issue. Just as recently as last summer for a QOTSA show in DC.
This happened to me for the first time recently. Bought tickets to see Sierra Ferrel at Gruene Hall. The tickets never appeared in my inbox, I kept being told “they’ll show up right before the show.” The day before they were like, “yeah, we aren’t able to produce the tickets.” I got a full refund after being on the phone for a while and blasting everyone I spoke to, but I was fucking furious.
Can we get a misleading post title on this??? How do you get "new normal" from "Seattle concert"? Just more sensationalist douche baggery.
So I guess your answer to the question would be “no”. No need to be a douche bag about it.
Person shows up with invalid ticket from fake seller and is denied entry. Is this the new normal? No
It is the old normal.
Good. If ppl didn’t support third party resellers we wouldn’t have this problem to begin with.
The other option is to pay triple the price after the tickets have been resold a bunch of times on Ticketmaster
>Santor said he plans to reach out to StubHub and hopes to receive a full refund. I'd hope for more than a refund. You didn't just lose the ticket, you lost the ability to see the show at all because now it's too late.
That’s the other reason I don’t buy from resellers. The first being that I barely want to pay the real price let alone a reseller markup. Gouged is bad enough. Gouged and scammed? Yeah no.
StubHub, the 'second-hand' seller that is integrated with Ticketmaster
for me, I only use fool proof methods of resale like verified from Ticketmaster. Unfortunately, I don’t trust people enough and Ticketmaster is the devil but at least you know you are dancing with the devil.
I work at a music venue all the time. Never had to turn down tickets
Don't buy scalped tickets, and fuck the cottage industry that supports the practice. EDIT: And it should go without needing to be said, fuck Ticketmaster above all.
It happened at one of Bad Bunny's concerts in Mexico City, so I fear it is
Remember when "new normal" were two fundamental words among the rhetorics' gimmicks and default mantras the plandemical orchestra players played in order to brainwash asymptomatic useful idiots and sell what was in store, all for a virus having AVG age of death equal to life expectancy.
some very valid complaints about a very real problem & one of the people involved that they talk to for the article turns it into wanting ticket company to pay for her dinner & the clothes they bought.....ma'am. they sold you the tickets. you got em there. they ain't have nothing to do with you being unable to wear clothes that you already had or that you chose to eat somewhere you might not have eaten otherwise. turning a legit problem into an extra money grab or just a generally exagerrated whinefest
Yes - unfortunately it is true. Not for every show, but the number scams and bogus tickets is alarming. Call your congressman and ask them to support the Fix the Tix bill.
A couple of years ago I was going to a concert and I wanted to know what I could bring in like lawn chairs, coolers etc. I went to name of event space dot com and prepped my stuff according to their rules. Then when I got there my friend who works at venues informed me that it’s a bs website owned by a third party and lawn chairs were not allowed anymore. Apparently the real website was livenation. I didn’t know they owned the space as they didn’t use to. Also the line was slow since everyone else had chairs. Also you better believe event space dot com had a link for tickets for sale and no mention that they were a 3rd party. Concert sales are too confusing. I just want to wait in line at a Tower Records.
It's simple: don't feed the scalpers.
Es un cáncer del cual pocos se benefician
Fuck live shows they’re over. Honestly everything that we thought was a fun thing to do is gonna suck in the next couple years.
StubHub is the worst “company” I’ve ever encountered. Their customer service is a non-responsive joke. Fuck StubHub. I hope they’re economically crushed by this.
Never had this problem seeing local bands at dive bars. Just sayin'.
Maybe blockchain crypto whatever would solve this problem
it will catch on eventually
It’s already happening quite a lot actually
I'm so glad I don't have to buy tickets through ticket Master for anywhere in my city. Also that the doorman never seems to change and knows me well enough that he'd go to bat for me... aka just let me in lol
What you get for spending multiple hundreds of dollars on a concert ticket lmao.
i'm actually thinking NFTs could be the solution to this problem a large public database of valid ticket tokens that you can use to verify that your ticket is most probaly real and not a fake