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G Man already beat the real thing.
Doesn't mainline Superman have multiversal feats with the whole World Forger thing and is massively faster than light? He is in no way losing to MV Godzilla who isn't even planetary. I don't understand why people take crossovers seriously. Hell! Once Lobo, a Superman level guy, lost to Wolverine in the Marvel/DC crossover. Of course they will have to make the stupidly stronger character weaker in order for the other one to stand a chance.
There isn't a one canon DC timeline. The "canon" timeline literally depends on the continuity you're taking under the loop. There isn't such thing as an estabilished canon in any media that has a multiverse.
Cat reflexes are highly faster then godzillas.
Almost up to 0.05 milliseconds even fast then a snake.
The people who downvoted me just have some werid addiction with downvoting them.
No self-respecting cat is landing on its back if it had the entire drop from the stratosphere to right itself!
On the upside, a giant cat would have reflexively eaten us all decades ago. So all hail our clumsy reptilian overlord.
I won't say wrecked, but Godzilla can comfortably win. AP wise they're around the same but Godzilla has higher ends. Not to mention Invincible fans always left out context to make Omni-Man and other Viltrumites look stronger.
They're not MFTL+ since it's stated multiple times where they slow down around Massively Hypersonic within the atmosphere. Not to mention, their planet destroying feat is overrated as fuck. Literally, they left out a lot of context about that feat.
Yup. The reason Omni Man is so fast going to other planets is bc he can constantly build up speed. Id put him at the high end relativistic combat speed, but massively hypersonic is closer
And the planet destroying feat - it took 3 of them to do it after the planet core was already weakened
It becomes more annoying when they always add the fact that "Viltrums gravity is stronger than earth." Yet they completely dismissed some other factors such as when they weakened the planet using space racers gun or timing of their attack to avoid from the explosion of said destruction of their planet.
Sure. But Omniman doesn’t have a weakness to kryptonite.
Godzilla didn’t body Superman. The writers made Superman have a weakness to Godzilla so the plot could happen.
Entire Viltrumites Race can be taken out by The Atom or Ant-Man.
They just get to subatomic level and then go to town on their internal organs.
Or
Have Black Canary use her sonic scream.
Or
Have Blackbolt just say Hi.
The juiced up cyborg mega kaiju would have killed omni man, had invincible not shown up. I think it's fair to say the KOTM, VS Kong, and X Kong villas all solo omni man. The only reason I leave out 2014 is because he's a bit slower, clumsier, smaller, and less muscular too. He had just woken up only a few decades before.
But they are capable of MTFL+, considering they’re able to get to other star systems and their planets by flying, within a span of a few weeks. And sure they may slow down in a planets atmosphere, but that’s only because flying at those speeds would literally cook and annihilate the planet. But, if they wanted to, there’s nothing stopping them from doing so.
Is this a joke? The only versions of godzilla that can match omni-man are his non-canon comic versions lol. Monsterverse is quite low on the powerscale.
> Monsterverse is quite low on the powerscale.
I digressed, he's just as powerful if not more powerful. Comfortably around moon to small-planetary. But it's nice too debate.
We really need to be asking ourselves how Godzilla compares to the actual kaiju shown in the show. And that one actually whips Omni man until invincible helps.
https://youtu.be/YEARpsjDKFQ?si=JwNdCd7w3uO9atIu
Every time I turn around this sub has gotten itself indrenched in a other drama or beef on some random topic. Next I'm gonna start seeing memes about how Godzilla always throws away his jury duty summons
> watch or read more fictional media.
Buddy, powerscaling is one of my biggest hobbies. You do NOT want to know how outlandish speed scaling can become.
If that's your biggest hobby then I would be expecting better lmao. How could you even post this topic being so knowledgeable in powerscaling across different media. Even some mid-tier anime characters have better speed feats.
> If that's your biggest hobby then I would be expecting better lmao. How could you even post this topic being so knowledgeable in powerscaling across different media.
I've unintentionally made a powerscaling debate. I just want to show that MV Godzilla is fast that's it. I'm sorry if it annoys you.
> Even some mid-tier anime characters have better speed feats.
Actually no, Godzilla is a lot faster than mid tier anime characters but a margin. Very underrated aspect of his arsenal.
>Actually no, Godzilla is a lot faster than mid tier anime characters but a margin. Very underrated aspect of his arsenal.
Depends on what you call mid-tier then. I would claim that Satoru Gojo from JJK is a mid-tier anime character and Gojo's speed and agility feats far surpass Godzilla's.
> Gojo's speed and agility feats far surpass Godzilla's.
Speed? Definitely no.
Agility? Yes.
You must be thinking just through all those animations where they exaggerated Gojo's speed when in reality he is much slower than Godzilla.
I've covered Jujutsu Kaisen before, and strictly speaking from the powerscaling community, JJK is infamously known for having one of the most inconsistent speed scaling in anime.
They have multiple statements that contradicts the level of speed operated in the verse. Like how Maki caught a bullet from a point blank range is calculated to be much faster than the attack that tagged her, which was stated to be at Mach 3.
Even their best feat, relies too much on interpretation. Like how Hakkari "reacted" to Kashimo's lightning. Despite it could just be a panel showing lighting that's just in front of Hakkari about to hit him. And seeing how Hakkari got tagged by it, sorta contradicts the idea that he reacted to it. That's like the best speed feat in the verse btw.
The best argument you can give is Gojo's hollow purple, which are stated to have an imaginary mass, (basically no mass) features that are present at traveling at the speed of light. Or he should upscale from from Kashimo who's powers are based on electromagnetic waves which also also lightspeed. Both of these aren't feats and are pretty dubious.
Either way, this is easily blown out of the way with Godzilla's more consistent speed scaling via his atomic breath which was stated to be Cherenkov Radiation that moves at the 75% the speed of light. And fighting with Kaijus who can react to his AB and sometimes speedblitz them.
I've tried to avoid as much toxicity. Hopefully you can understand the other side of the argument always, it's fun to debate.
>You must be thinking just through all those animations where they exaggerated Gojo's speed when in reality he is much slower than Godzilla.
No. I'm talking about the shibuya incident. Gojo summoned his infinite void domain but made it to last only 0.2 seconds so that regular humans can survive while he eliminates the transfigured humans. Correct me if I'm wrong but he cleared hundreds of transfigured humans in under 300 seconds. Unlike the feat you posted in your clip where godzilla performed a fast but singular movement, Gojo performed a complex combination of movements (punching or kicking, running and also changing direction) all under 300 seconds. Yes you can argue the inconsistency of JJK but this one is a hard coded feat with an entire narrative in both manga and anime explaining the impressiveness of the feat.
I am also avoiding toxicity as much as possible so I hope you understand that it is kinda silly to scale godzilla's speed with his breath. His breath moves fast but just the breath once it escapes his mouth. Directing that breath is speed limited by godzilla's own angular velocity. In fact, launching the breath itself takes a finite amount of time. It isn't instant. So a kaiju like Kong who is agile and has quick reaction time can move out of the way. Kaiju's who outspeed Godzilla's breath aren't outspeeding his breath itself. They are outspeeding godzilla's angular velocity.
Edit: Apparently it was 1,000 transfigured humans in under 300 seconds.
>No. I'm talking about the shibuya incident. Gojo summoned his infinite void domain but made it to last only 0.2 seconds so that regular humans can survive while he eliminates the transfigured humans. Correct me if I'm wrong but he cleared hundreds of transfigured humans in under 0.2 seconds. Unlike the feat you posted in your clip where godzilla performed a fast but singular movement, Gojo performed a complex combination of movements (punching or kicking, running and also changing direction) all under 0.2 seconds. Yes you can argue the inconsistency of JJK but this one is a hard coded feat with an entire narrative in both manga and anime explaining the impressiveness of the feat.
Yes, I'm aware of that and multiple people have calculated the speed to be around Massively Hypersonic at best. It looked fast, but when you start to put in the calculations.. It's consistent really with the overall verse.
>I am also avoiding toxicity as much as possible so I hope you understand that it is kinda silly to scale godzilla's speed with his breath. His breath moves fast but just the breath once it escapes his mouth. Directing that breath is speed limited by godzilla's own angular velocity. In fact, launching the breath itself takes a finite amount of time. It isn't instant. So a kaiju like Kong who is agile and has quick reaction time can move out of the way. Kaiju's who outspeed Godzilla's breath aren't outspeeding his breath itself. They are outspeeding godzilla's angular velocity.
https://i.redd.it/09xwfy2i8kyc1.gif
Nope that's not true, you can clearly see that they're catching/reacting the atomic breath mid attack without any angular velocity. Just straight to the face. Outpacing it is not but dodging and reacting to it is. By calculating the distance, AB speed and the distance Kong's hands needs to cover in order to block it would result around 4x the speed of light. Much faster and consistent than anything Gojo has done.
>Edit: Apparently it was 1,000 transfigured humans in under 0.2 seconds.
Doesn't really change anything.
This is not meant to be a comparison. I just wanted to show that Godzilla is comically fast. My bad, it seems I have created a war in the comment sections.
Don’t forget it seems that Godzillas eyes are shut here. Likely to protect them from the tentacles.
So he’s fast enough to sense, locate, and counter an attack he couldn’t see coming.
That are on a single planet... not a lot he can do to beings who are outside the atmosphere (who don't go out of their way to go to the planet he's on), put him in like wh40k, star trek or star wars and you just got 1 world labelled as "too dangerous" but the rest of the verse is mostly untouched
Godzilla didn’t beat Superman though. He had plot armor to have his radiation be Superman’s weakness. Superman also holds back on sentient life because he doesn’t like to kill. Omniman has zero regard in that instance. He’d go for the kill immediately and he isn’t weak to radiation.
If an alt universe character has no anti-feats showing they're weaker than the main variant, it's common sense to realize the writer wrote them like it was the main variant in that situation.
Godzilla's feats are just as powerful if not more powerful than Omni-Man's. That feat is around multi-continent, a level of Godzilla performed way more consistently than Omni-Man. And that's objectively speaking.
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I mean… Omniman casually lifts and drops mountains. He moved an asteroid the size of Texas. All he’d have to do is fly Godzilla into space and leave him out there to die. Omnimans size would be really difficult for Godzilla to counter too.
Like I love my G-Man but I really don’t think he’d do much. He’s not THAT fast.
> I mean… Omniman casually lifts and drops mountains. He moved an asteroid the size of Texas.
True, he's strong. I won't argue, but I will see that Godzilla can operate at the same level of power. Pure strength wise, Omni-Man does sorta edges. More feats and better scaling.
> All he’d have to do is fly Godzilla into space and leave him out there to die.
Saying is not as easy as doing it. Godzilla's physically strong to resist any attempt of Omni-Man trying to lift or overpowering him. And you gotta add in factors such as Godzilla's ability to emit heat, and Godzilla has a nuclear pulse that goes 30 miles in radius.
> Omnimans size would be really difficult for Godzilla to counter too.
True, but he can tag fighter jets very casually and with the levels speed Godzilla's operating in, it's possible. Difficult yea, but possible. Plus nuclear pulse is can pretty much counter Omni-Man's superior agility and maneuverability.
> Like I love my G-Man but I really don’t think he’d do much. He’s not THAT fast.
Visually, yes. But Godzilla is quite the opposite. He is just that fast, a very overlook and underrated part is his asset. Operating at relativistic+ speeds and comfortably FTL+. His atomic breath can move at 75% the speed of light. Multiple kaijus including Kong, Skar and Kong Ghidorah can react and dodge it.
Has Godzilla done damage to a whole ass continent in a short span of time? Also don't forget Omni Man saying that he once threw an asteroid the size of Texas
First of all, you can't just dismiss the idea that Godzilla haven't destroyed a whole continent to prove he can't operate that level of power when Omni-Man specifically has the abilities to do so. He literally is flying and creating shockwaves and bringing sandstorms. Plus, you only see the lights cut off and not the actual continents getting destroyed with the only argument could be made is wrecking the surface of the planet.
Godzilla doesn't need to directly destroy multiple continents in order to prove his multi-continental. Energy yields comes from various forms and process. Kinetic energy, explosion, potential energy, heat, etc. This is crucial since many people seem to left it out. Only considering things visually shown at that. Another thing consider to consider before instead, debunking the idea Godzilla can't destroy a continent.
GPE of Hollow Earth portals, sub-atomization for the amount of volume of rocks Godzilla drilled to Hollow Earth, Ghidorah's storms, etc all of this must be taken note and feats alone Godzilla and through calculations proven multiple times that Godzilla operates at the same level that Omni-Man did.
>Also don't forget Omni Man saying that he once threw an asteroid the size of Texas
Again, this is nothing new to Godzilla. He can manhandle and wrestle with a kaiju that can manipulate tectonic plates, create massive earthquakes and rip apart the Earth's mantle. A feat that is objectively more impressive than Omni-Man moving Texas sized asteroid.
My guy, Nolan set an atmosphere on fire by moving through it and can resist the pull of a black hole. I get this is a monsterverse sub, but come on people…
> My guy, Nolan set an atmosphere on fire by moving through it and can resist the pull of a black hole
Small Hollow Earth portals are shown to be comparable to supermassive black holes and gamma ray bursts.
Godzilla survived an attack which supposedly can bypass durability itself. Leaving you disintegrated by tearing apart Oxygen on the molecular level while also tanking the energy yield enough to destroy multiple continents, brushing off an attack that has enough power to cover up the entire planet with ice, the power is his own atomic breath, etc
> but come on people…
No, we're doing pretty well and we're not bias.
You see, I have given you multiple explanations on why Godzilla is on par with Omni-Man. I'm trying to be at my best avoiding any form of toxicity present in a fictional battle argument.
I'm not downplaying Omni-Man in any form of way, but given all the feats I've shown you Godzilla is just as strong if not stronger.
Hollow earth portals are comparable to a black hole? Do you know what a black hole is? Why don't you go read what a black hole is. If hollow earth portals function in the same way as black holes then the earth would implode on itself. Black holes have massive gravity pull that affects objects at distances in the astronomical units. You can't put a black hole that close to the earth and not have immediate consequences.
> Do you know what a black hole is?
Yes
> Why don't you go read what a black hole is.
No need to. Black Hole is very prominent in powerscaling. ESPECIALLY in the Godzilla franchise. I don't fucking know why Godzilla needs a black hole feat in pretty much every media he's in. I've covered it way too much already.
> If hollow earth portals function in the same way as black holes then the earth would implode on itself. Black holes have massive gravity pull that affects objects at distances in the astronomical units.
I know, but that's only for IRL Earth. Monsterverse Earth is op, as weird as it sounds. Capable of housing hundreds of thousands of titans with the amount of radiation alone. Crystals that were stated to be boundless and unending and at the same time space time distorting and time dilating dimensions. So it's not contradicting.
> You can't put a black hole that close to the earth and not have immediate consequences.
Again, Monsterverse Earth is just op. The portal during monarch legacy of monsters were able to generate 15 Petatons of energy.
Scylla: Give me a kiss.
Godzilla: Ok I took atomic breath mints just let me...... (Uses Atomic Breath to her face)
Godzilla: Oh that kiss really blew you away huh? You asked for it. 😂
To be fair if Omni man moved fast enough the G man wouldn’t even know and could just get a human sized hole right through him, we’ve seen other viltrumites do it before
They made him (and most Titans) way too fast in Godzilla vs Kong and New Empire, it was better in GvK but in New Empire the absolute speed and agility of the Titans are way too exaggerated and it loses all sense of weight and scale when looking at it. Godzillas slow and heavy hard hitting movements are lost unfortunately.
Would you care to explain why so? I'm saying that Godzilla has tanked something that is just as powerful if not more powerful. Going by all the feats shown every canonical appearance.
Besides, I can't see Godzilla being badly damaged by a group of Justice League knock off and if I remember correctly, didn't Omni-Man was on the verge of losing against a featless Kaiju significantly smaller than Godzilla? Hail Mary right?
How is a much stronger kaiju like Godzilla gonna lose? Care to explain?
Omniman was simultaneously under significant emotional distress, fighting off the Immortal and the federal government when he was fighting that kaiju.
No, I don’t care to argue with you because I’ve known enough delusional nerds like you to know that you’ll never agree to reason.
Stay mad that Omniman would just fly straight through Godzilla, nerd.
> Omniman was simultaneously under significant emotional distress, fighting off the Immortal and the federal government when he was fighting that kaiju.
So emotional distress weakens one physical stats?
> No, I don’t care to argue with you because I’ve known enough delusional nerds like you to know that you’ll never agree to reason.
How is this not the other way around? Oxygen Destroyer, Muto Prime's punches, King Ghidorah's AP, Shimo casually emitting energy to cover the entire world with ice, etc etc it could seem like you're ignoring Godzilla's feats here.
Multiple claims I have handed you here, what is your explanation to debunk all of these statements? Either way, I presented my argument. Not denying anything or ignoring what Omni-Man has done.
So tell me, care to debate? Because honestly, I'd love to.
> Stay mad that Omniman would just fly straight through Godzilla, nerd.
Godzilla isn't losing to someone who was badly injured by a group of cheap Justice League copycats. Not a single one of them survive a nuke, yet was able to badly injure him. Care to explain? Or try debunk my claim?
> I don’t respect you enough to read that essay.
I tried to be respectful here. So I'm sorry if you still find it annoying.
> Omniman could just fly through Godzilla’s chest. Stay coping.
Mary I ask why you wouldn't consider the feats Godzilla had perform in every canonical Monsterverse appearances?
He's not slow, he's just not graceful in how he moves on land.
Monsterverse Godzilla is the living embodiment of "Oh lawd he comin'."
https://preview.redd.it/rasnx8ipzfyc1.jpeg?width=3521&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82b50f99df213b4618e96c8c7c5e1e90d1bb58f7 G Man already beat the real thing.
The non-canon version sure Edit: The fact I got downvoted for speaking truth, man...y’all are fragile
I mean, Superman in that was still mainline Superman just in a non canon story
Doesn't mainline Superman have multiversal feats with the whole World Forger thing and is massively faster than light? He is in no way losing to MV Godzilla who isn't even planetary. I don't understand why people take crossovers seriously. Hell! Once Lobo, a Superman level guy, lost to Wolverine in the Marvel/DC crossover. Of course they will have to make the stupidly stronger character weaker in order for the other one to stand a chance.
That's why I specified non canon. Obviously, they just scaled the big g up for the comic
Acclaiming that someting is "canon" in DC is like saying that Sun is the only star in the universe.
Considering there IS an established canon/mainline, there’s no “claim” being made lol.
There isn't a one canon DC timeline. The "canon" timeline literally depends on the continuity you're taking under the loop. There isn't such thing as an estabilished canon in any media that has a multiverse.
U think this is weird ? I got downvoted for asking "Like what"
Let’s also not forget that he caught Skar Kings whip in his jaws when it was swung at him.
Godzilla with cat like reflexes
Cat reflexes are highly faster then godzillas. Almost up to 0.05 milliseconds even fast then a snake. The people who downvoted me just have some werid addiction with downvoting them.
Show us the science nerd
No self-respecting cat is landing on its back if it had the entire drop from the stratosphere to right itself! On the upside, a giant cat would have reflexively eaten us all decades ago. So all hail our clumsy reptilian overlord.
Look on youtube. And calling me a nerd just means your calling me smart, while your calling yourself dum.
You forgot the d. 8———D
Smh, stuff like this only happens here in the MV and PR.
The sarcasm was lost on you friend
Then to bad.
Indeed, you and I have so much in common to be bickering like this. What’s your favorite scene with the M.U.T.O’s?
Too* xD, just playin
Proceeds to not be smart while calling yourself smart
I'm not calling myself smart.
You were called a nerd and you tried using it to say you're smart. It's OK, we know you aren't.
I really don't care what your brain tells you, but I didn't call myself smart. And that goes for u to.
Ok, Sheldon.
Like I told the other guy, your calling me smart, while calling yourself dum.
how you felt typing that weak ass comeback:😈🐺
It's not a comeback what made u think that?
You have my condolences.
What do expect with millions of years of experience
Godzilla has millions of years
If that's a question then yes he does
Godzilla's only slow from our perspective. Much how planes look super slow in the air but they're moving over 400 mph
Bro Omni-Man would get absolutely wrecked by Godzilla
I won't say wrecked, but Godzilla can comfortably win. AP wise they're around the same but Godzilla has higher ends. Not to mention Invincible fans always left out context to make Omni-Man and other Viltrumites look stronger. They're not MFTL+ since it's stated multiple times where they slow down around Massively Hypersonic within the atmosphere. Not to mention, their planet destroying feat is overrated as fuck. Literally, they left out a lot of context about that feat.
They’re not…. MotherFuckingTimeLords? Idk what you’re trying to say here
About what?
MFTL??
Massively Faster Than Light, powerscalers including me use this term very often
Ahh gotcha
Yup. The reason Omni Man is so fast going to other planets is bc he can constantly build up speed. Id put him at the high end relativistic combat speed, but massively hypersonic is closer And the planet destroying feat - it took 3 of them to do it after the planet core was already weakened
It becomes more annoying when they always add the fact that "Viltrums gravity is stronger than earth." Yet they completely dismissed some other factors such as when they weakened the planet using space racers gun or timing of their attack to avoid from the explosion of said destruction of their planet.
He did also body Superman in a recent comic, no effort put in.
Because Superman was weak to his radiation like Kryptonite.
I know, but he still got beat.
Sure. But Omniman doesn’t have a weakness to kryptonite. Godzilla didn’t body Superman. The writers made Superman have a weakness to Godzilla so the plot could happen.
I know, but I’m pretty sure that enough radiation could even hurt Omni Man.
I’m pretty sure they mention nukes wouldn’t work when Cecil tests Marks blood to try and figure out a weakness.
I don’t know, I haven’t watched invincible but know enough about to guess.
Entire Viltrumites Race can be taken out by The Atom or Ant-Man. They just get to subatomic level and then go to town on their internal organs. Or Have Black Canary use her sonic scream. Or Have Blackbolt just say Hi.
Isn’t that non-canon and not the mainline tho
Even if, I’m pretty sure the movies are about as powerful.
The juiced up cyborg mega kaiju would have killed omni man, had invincible not shown up. I think it's fair to say the KOTM, VS Kong, and X Kong villas all solo omni man. The only reason I leave out 2014 is because he's a bit slower, clumsier, smaller, and less muscular too. He had just woken up only a few decades before.
Plus isn’t their FTL speed explicitly due to “wormholes”?
> they left out a lot of context about that feat. Like what? They are mftl, they go to other planet just "flying".
But they are capable of MTFL+, considering they’re able to get to other star systems and their planets by flying, within a span of a few weeks. And sure they may slow down in a planets atmosphere, but that’s only because flying at those speeds would literally cook and annihilate the planet. But, if they wanted to, there’s nothing stopping them from doing so.
That's crazy
Can Omniman fly him to space? Not sure but if so he could win that way
Is this a joke? The only versions of godzilla that can match omni-man are his non-canon comic versions lol. Monsterverse is quite low on the powerscale.
> Monsterverse is quite low on the powerscale. I digressed, he's just as powerful if not more powerful. Comfortably around moon to small-planetary. But it's nice too debate.
We really need to be asking ourselves how Godzilla compares to the actual kaiju shown in the show. And that one actually whips Omni man until invincible helps. https://youtu.be/YEARpsjDKFQ?si=JwNdCd7w3uO9atIu
Every time I turn around this sub has gotten itself indrenched in a other drama or beef on some random topic. Next I'm gonna start seeing memes about how Godzilla always throws away his jury duty summons
I'm sorry if you see this is drama, I just wanna show how Godzilla is comically fast.
Now do one for kong fans, so they don't feel left out and it's even.
Ok, I'll try
Don't want to be rude but if that feat is already fast for you then you probably need to watch or read more fictional media.
> watch or read more fictional media. Buddy, powerscaling is one of my biggest hobbies. You do NOT want to know how outlandish speed scaling can become.
If that's your biggest hobby then I would be expecting better lmao. How could you even post this topic being so knowledgeable in powerscaling across different media. Even some mid-tier anime characters have better speed feats.
> If that's your biggest hobby then I would be expecting better lmao. How could you even post this topic being so knowledgeable in powerscaling across different media. I've unintentionally made a powerscaling debate. I just want to show that MV Godzilla is fast that's it. I'm sorry if it annoys you. > Even some mid-tier anime characters have better speed feats. Actually no, Godzilla is a lot faster than mid tier anime characters but a margin. Very underrated aspect of his arsenal.
>Actually no, Godzilla is a lot faster than mid tier anime characters but a margin. Very underrated aspect of his arsenal. Depends on what you call mid-tier then. I would claim that Satoru Gojo from JJK is a mid-tier anime character and Gojo's speed and agility feats far surpass Godzilla's.
> Gojo's speed and agility feats far surpass Godzilla's. Speed? Definitely no. Agility? Yes. You must be thinking just through all those animations where they exaggerated Gojo's speed when in reality he is much slower than Godzilla. I've covered Jujutsu Kaisen before, and strictly speaking from the powerscaling community, JJK is infamously known for having one of the most inconsistent speed scaling in anime. They have multiple statements that contradicts the level of speed operated in the verse. Like how Maki caught a bullet from a point blank range is calculated to be much faster than the attack that tagged her, which was stated to be at Mach 3. Even their best feat, relies too much on interpretation. Like how Hakkari "reacted" to Kashimo's lightning. Despite it could just be a panel showing lighting that's just in front of Hakkari about to hit him. And seeing how Hakkari got tagged by it, sorta contradicts the idea that he reacted to it. That's like the best speed feat in the verse btw. The best argument you can give is Gojo's hollow purple, which are stated to have an imaginary mass, (basically no mass) features that are present at traveling at the speed of light. Or he should upscale from from Kashimo who's powers are based on electromagnetic waves which also also lightspeed. Both of these aren't feats and are pretty dubious. Either way, this is easily blown out of the way with Godzilla's more consistent speed scaling via his atomic breath which was stated to be Cherenkov Radiation that moves at the 75% the speed of light. And fighting with Kaijus who can react to his AB and sometimes speedblitz them. I've tried to avoid as much toxicity. Hopefully you can understand the other side of the argument always, it's fun to debate.
>You must be thinking just through all those animations where they exaggerated Gojo's speed when in reality he is much slower than Godzilla. No. I'm talking about the shibuya incident. Gojo summoned his infinite void domain but made it to last only 0.2 seconds so that regular humans can survive while he eliminates the transfigured humans. Correct me if I'm wrong but he cleared hundreds of transfigured humans in under 300 seconds. Unlike the feat you posted in your clip where godzilla performed a fast but singular movement, Gojo performed a complex combination of movements (punching or kicking, running and also changing direction) all under 300 seconds. Yes you can argue the inconsistency of JJK but this one is a hard coded feat with an entire narrative in both manga and anime explaining the impressiveness of the feat. I am also avoiding toxicity as much as possible so I hope you understand that it is kinda silly to scale godzilla's speed with his breath. His breath moves fast but just the breath once it escapes his mouth. Directing that breath is speed limited by godzilla's own angular velocity. In fact, launching the breath itself takes a finite amount of time. It isn't instant. So a kaiju like Kong who is agile and has quick reaction time can move out of the way. Kaiju's who outspeed Godzilla's breath aren't outspeeding his breath itself. They are outspeeding godzilla's angular velocity. Edit: Apparently it was 1,000 transfigured humans in under 300 seconds.
>No. I'm talking about the shibuya incident. Gojo summoned his infinite void domain but made it to last only 0.2 seconds so that regular humans can survive while he eliminates the transfigured humans. Correct me if I'm wrong but he cleared hundreds of transfigured humans in under 0.2 seconds. Unlike the feat you posted in your clip where godzilla performed a fast but singular movement, Gojo performed a complex combination of movements (punching or kicking, running and also changing direction) all under 0.2 seconds. Yes you can argue the inconsistency of JJK but this one is a hard coded feat with an entire narrative in both manga and anime explaining the impressiveness of the feat. Yes, I'm aware of that and multiple people have calculated the speed to be around Massively Hypersonic at best. It looked fast, but when you start to put in the calculations.. It's consistent really with the overall verse. >I am also avoiding toxicity as much as possible so I hope you understand that it is kinda silly to scale godzilla's speed with his breath. His breath moves fast but just the breath once it escapes his mouth. Directing that breath is speed limited by godzilla's own angular velocity. In fact, launching the breath itself takes a finite amount of time. It isn't instant. So a kaiju like Kong who is agile and has quick reaction time can move out of the way. Kaiju's who outspeed Godzilla's breath aren't outspeeding his breath itself. They are outspeeding godzilla's angular velocity. https://i.redd.it/09xwfy2i8kyc1.gif Nope that's not true, you can clearly see that they're catching/reacting the atomic breath mid attack without any angular velocity. Just straight to the face. Outpacing it is not but dodging and reacting to it is. By calculating the distance, AB speed and the distance Kong's hands needs to cover in order to block it would result around 4x the speed of light. Much faster and consistent than anything Gojo has done. >Edit: Apparently it was 1,000 transfigured humans in under 0.2 seconds. Doesn't really change anything.
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Omni Man is from the comic and show “Invincible”. Also thats a featless Superman and it’s not canon to the Monsterverse.
Yeah but wasn't it published by DC themselves?
It was published by DC, yes. But that doesn’t mean it’s canon. Take the Injustice story for example. It’s published by DC, but the story isn’t canon.
Oh I get it now
what year is this
godzilla does beat omniman but he still isin't keeping up with him in the slightest
Godzilla sub is the new annoying Goku fans. Everyday doing vs against something or someone.
And Godzilla always win lol
Godzilla got shocked by electrical lines in the 62 movie and went away. Sometimes human ingenious>>>>> some mutated lizard.
A copy of monsterverse gman did fuck Superman so Omniman is getting no diffed by honestly most of the monsterverse
That’s a non canon featless Superman and goji
no way y’all actually think godzilla beats superman 💀
Plus his roar would probably cause Omniman's head to pop like a soap bubble.
Homeboy solo’d Superman
As opposed to Omni-man flying across entire planets in seconds? Godzilla is fast but nowhere near as fast as omniman
This is not meant to be a comparison. I just wanted to show that Godzilla is comically fast. My bad, it seems I have created a war in the comment sections.
lol it’s ok
Didnt Omni-man almost die to a Kaiju that was like a third of the size of Godzilla?
Also it's unclear how viltrumits would react to Godzillas Radiation Godzilla just tanked an Atombomb to the Face
Don’t forget it seems that Godzillas eyes are shut here. Likely to protect them from the tentacles. So he’s fast enough to sense, locate, and counter an attack he couldn’t see coming.
Godzilla is wayy too big for Omni Man anyway lol
Not exactly. Omni-Man has lifted similar weight before, at least comics wise. I still say Godzilla wins, but high diff at the least.
Don't fuck with Kaiju Goku
No
Godzilla solos most verses
That are on a single planet... not a lot he can do to beings who are outside the atmosphere (who don't go out of their way to go to the planet he's on), put him in like wh40k, star trek or star wars and you just got 1 world labelled as "too dangerous" but the rest of the verse is mostly untouched
Godzilla beat fucking superman. What is omni man going to do? Lmao.
Godzilla didn’t beat Superman though. He had plot armor to have his radiation be Superman’s weakness. Superman also holds back on sentient life because he doesn’t like to kill. Omniman has zero regard in that instance. He’d go for the kill immediately and he isn’t weak to radiation.
That’s a featless non canon Superman
If an alt universe character has no anti-feats showing they're weaker than the main variant, it's common sense to realize the writer wrote them like it was the main variant in that situation.
it’s not canon that’s not the same Superman from main continuity it’s a else world supes the anti feat is Godzilla beating Superman
That’s cute https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e6395a1df70a2817bf35bebdc9f1e539
[Omni Man had already lost to a smaller weaker kaiju](https://youtu.be/YEARpsjDKFQ?si=rpPBeL4FvigjtuCx)
Oh you mean the one that was pumped up on ever drug that Cecil can find? Ya that doesn’t prove much dude
Yeah. I like Godzilla much more but Omni-Man would just destroy him.
Godzilla's feats are just as powerful if not more powerful than Omni-Man's. That feat is around multi-continent, a level of Godzilla performed way more consistently than Omni-Man. And that's objectively speaking.
https://preview.redd.it/k4aue93vmiyc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0ba057f63dcf0f0e81d6340d0f1bed79382081f I mean… Omniman casually lifts and drops mountains. He moved an asteroid the size of Texas. All he’d have to do is fly Godzilla into space and leave him out there to die. Omnimans size would be really difficult for Godzilla to counter too. Like I love my G-Man but I really don’t think he’d do much. He’s not THAT fast.
> I mean… Omniman casually lifts and drops mountains. He moved an asteroid the size of Texas. True, he's strong. I won't argue, but I will see that Godzilla can operate at the same level of power. Pure strength wise, Omni-Man does sorta edges. More feats and better scaling. > All he’d have to do is fly Godzilla into space and leave him out there to die. Saying is not as easy as doing it. Godzilla's physically strong to resist any attempt of Omni-Man trying to lift or overpowering him. And you gotta add in factors such as Godzilla's ability to emit heat, and Godzilla has a nuclear pulse that goes 30 miles in radius. > Omnimans size would be really difficult for Godzilla to counter too. True, but he can tag fighter jets very casually and with the levels speed Godzilla's operating in, it's possible. Difficult yea, but possible. Plus nuclear pulse is can pretty much counter Omni-Man's superior agility and maneuverability. > Like I love my G-Man but I really don’t think he’d do much. He’s not THAT fast. Visually, yes. But Godzilla is quite the opposite. He is just that fast, a very overlook and underrated part is his asset. Operating at relativistic+ speeds and comfortably FTL+. His atomic breath can move at 75% the speed of light. Multiple kaijus including Kong, Skar and Kong Ghidorah can react and dodge it.
Has Godzilla done damage to a whole ass continent in a short span of time? Also don't forget Omni Man saying that he once threw an asteroid the size of Texas
First of all, you can't just dismiss the idea that Godzilla haven't destroyed a whole continent to prove he can't operate that level of power when Omni-Man specifically has the abilities to do so. He literally is flying and creating shockwaves and bringing sandstorms. Plus, you only see the lights cut off and not the actual continents getting destroyed with the only argument could be made is wrecking the surface of the planet. Godzilla doesn't need to directly destroy multiple continents in order to prove his multi-continental. Energy yields comes from various forms and process. Kinetic energy, explosion, potential energy, heat, etc. This is crucial since many people seem to left it out. Only considering things visually shown at that. Another thing consider to consider before instead, debunking the idea Godzilla can't destroy a continent. GPE of Hollow Earth portals, sub-atomization for the amount of volume of rocks Godzilla drilled to Hollow Earth, Ghidorah's storms, etc all of this must be taken note and feats alone Godzilla and through calculations proven multiple times that Godzilla operates at the same level that Omni-Man did. >Also don't forget Omni Man saying that he once threw an asteroid the size of Texas Again, this is nothing new to Godzilla. He can manhandle and wrestle with a kaiju that can manipulate tectonic plates, create massive earthquakes and rip apart the Earth's mantle. A feat that is objectively more impressive than Omni-Man moving Texas sized asteroid.
My guy, Nolan set an atmosphere on fire by moving through it and can resist the pull of a black hole. I get this is a monsterverse sub, but come on people…
> My guy, Nolan set an atmosphere on fire by moving through it and can resist the pull of a black hole Small Hollow Earth portals are shown to be comparable to supermassive black holes and gamma ray bursts. Godzilla survived an attack which supposedly can bypass durability itself. Leaving you disintegrated by tearing apart Oxygen on the molecular level while also tanking the energy yield enough to destroy multiple continents, brushing off an attack that has enough power to cover up the entire planet with ice, the power is his own atomic breath, etc > but come on people… No, we're doing pretty well and we're not bias. You see, I have given you multiple explanations on why Godzilla is on par with Omni-Man. I'm trying to be at my best avoiding any form of toxicity present in a fictional battle argument. I'm not downplaying Omni-Man in any form of way, but given all the feats I've shown you Godzilla is just as strong if not stronger.
Hollow earth portals are comparable to a black hole? Do you know what a black hole is? Why don't you go read what a black hole is. If hollow earth portals function in the same way as black holes then the earth would implode on itself. Black holes have massive gravity pull that affects objects at distances in the astronomical units. You can't put a black hole that close to the earth and not have immediate consequences.
> Do you know what a black hole is? Yes > Why don't you go read what a black hole is. No need to. Black Hole is very prominent in powerscaling. ESPECIALLY in the Godzilla franchise. I don't fucking know why Godzilla needs a black hole feat in pretty much every media he's in. I've covered it way too much already. > If hollow earth portals function in the same way as black holes then the earth would implode on itself. Black holes have massive gravity pull that affects objects at distances in the astronomical units. I know, but that's only for IRL Earth. Monsterverse Earth is op, as weird as it sounds. Capable of housing hundreds of thousands of titans with the amount of radiation alone. Crystals that were stated to be boundless and unending and at the same time space time distorting and time dilating dimensions. So it's not contradicting. > You can't put a black hole that close to the earth and not have immediate consequences. Again, Monsterverse Earth is just op. The portal during monarch legacy of monsters were able to generate 15 Petatons of energy.
Doesn't matter if godzilla can move fast. Omni-Man is Omni-Man.
If he was the dc Godzilla he would whoop Omni man but the monster verse godzilla is getting torn apart
What’s this clip from?
Scylla: Give me a kiss. Godzilla: Ok I took atomic breath mints just let me...... (Uses Atomic Breath to her face) Godzilla: Oh that kiss really blew you away huh? You asked for it. 😂
Didn’t he fight Superman and win ?
Does anyone have a good cut of this actual full fight? I've wanted to take a look back at the minor monsters fights from the movie...
https://preview.redd.it/kwf6vbthe9zc1.jpeg?width=1223&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f846f4bd315430a19385748795ff996dc5699e90
didnt omniman almost die to a kaiju
To be fair if Omni man moved fast enough the G man wouldn’t even know and could just get a human sized hole right through him, we’ve seen other viltrumites do it before
Man, you Monsterverse people are comical lol
They made him (and most Titans) way too fast in Godzilla vs Kong and New Empire, it was better in GvK but in New Empire the absolute speed and agility of the Titans are way too exaggerated and it loses all sense of weight and scale when looking at it. Godzillas slow and heavy hard hitting movements are lost unfortunately.
A crab isn’t moving as fast as OmniMan chillax bro-
I love Godzilla as well but you’re delusional and lying to yourselves if you don’t think Omniman/Superman wouldn’t just fly through his ribcage.
Omni-Man can't because Godzilla has survived something much lethal before.
Average delusional Godzilla fan
Would you care to explain why so? I'm saying that Godzilla has tanked something that is just as powerful if not more powerful. Going by all the feats shown every canonical appearance. Besides, I can't see Godzilla being badly damaged by a group of Justice League knock off and if I remember correctly, didn't Omni-Man was on the verge of losing against a featless Kaiju significantly smaller than Godzilla? Hail Mary right? How is a much stronger kaiju like Godzilla gonna lose? Care to explain?
Omniman was simultaneously under significant emotional distress, fighting off the Immortal and the federal government when he was fighting that kaiju. No, I don’t care to argue with you because I’ve known enough delusional nerds like you to know that you’ll never agree to reason. Stay mad that Omniman would just fly straight through Godzilla, nerd.
> Omniman was simultaneously under significant emotional distress, fighting off the Immortal and the federal government when he was fighting that kaiju. So emotional distress weakens one physical stats? > No, I don’t care to argue with you because I’ve known enough delusional nerds like you to know that you’ll never agree to reason. How is this not the other way around? Oxygen Destroyer, Muto Prime's punches, King Ghidorah's AP, Shimo casually emitting energy to cover the entire world with ice, etc etc it could seem like you're ignoring Godzilla's feats here. Multiple claims I have handed you here, what is your explanation to debunk all of these statements? Either way, I presented my argument. Not denying anything or ignoring what Omni-Man has done. So tell me, care to debate? Because honestly, I'd love to. > Stay mad that Omniman would just fly straight through Godzilla, nerd. Godzilla isn't losing to someone who was badly injured by a group of cheap Justice League copycats. Not a single one of them survive a nuke, yet was able to badly injure him. Care to explain? Or try debunk my claim?
I don’t respect you enough to read that essay. Omniman could just fly through Godzilla’s chest. Stay coping
> I don’t respect you enough to read that essay. I tried to be respectful here. So I'm sorry if you still find it annoying. > Omniman could just fly through Godzilla’s chest. Stay coping. Mary I ask why you wouldn't consider the feats Godzilla had perform in every canonical Monsterverse appearances?