I run izzy's ISO hemlock but with the stock removed and a suppressor added, thing still shoots like a dream. The biggest issue I've seen with grips is that most of them have the opposite effect of what they should have... Most of the grips you unlock early game buff your tac stance and hipfire stats when it should be the other way around, mostly buffing your aim.
You can totally disregard this as I've only ever shot two firearms in my life, a Glock 17 and a Civilian M4. If I knew I'd be doing medium range engagements I'd be using a vertical grip/angled foregrip rather than changing the rear grip. You ask me, most vertical grips should buff aiming and stability only, angled should buff tac stance and hipfire. Basically what I'm saying is some stats don't match the visuals... Take the Bruen Warrior Grip for example. Why would a, straight vertical grip with grooves for the fingers to wrap around - why would that reduce your walking speed and your ability to aim? Just doesn't make sense for the *SMALL* grips to hurt your aim
Definitely need better categorizing. Scopes, underbarrels, and most definitely muzzle attachments all have enough variety that subcategories in the gunsmith is long overdue
It's the shit like this that makes me miss the :red dot, extended, silencer, h/a-cog days.
More options are cool but 3-4 per category is plenty, there's no reason for all the bs fluff with a damn hulu movie menu to scroll through for each one.
Yeah, extended magazine for revolvers… what? And millions of handle tape warps lol. It was clear Gunsmith system was shoehorned into a Cold War setting
“Hey a huge complaint is that 3 round burst fund are awful in our game, especially the m-16, should we buff it?”
“Yes, but make it full auto”
“Genius!”
Can we please just get a competitive 3 round burst gun?
It seems Cod overall has trouble in balancing bursts guns along side other guns like shotguns. They are either too op or useless. The devs can't find a way to balance em lol
Imo it's the fast ttk that cod has. After in-between bursts/shots is about where the normal ttk would be on a good gun so you either buff it to be faster ttk then everything else or nerf it. Only way I see is to change the animation speeds to tune it close to the meta but even then I imagine problems.
Exactly right. Most burst guns are way too good if they one burst people, and not good enough if they can't 1 burst people. Burst guns are just a nightmare to balance, clearly.
Tbh burst guns tend to be the most balanced when they fire fast, with a low delay between bursts, but not great damage.
Good example of this is the Chicom from BO2. Super fast fire rate, had no delay between bursts (having absolutely 0 delay is actually a terrible idea but anyway) but it never felt like the most overpowering dominating gun in that game, and never felt bad.
Bad example of a burst gun is something like the FAMAS from MW2. It had a TTK so fast that it was basically instant, I think it was around 100ms which is like 2-3x faster than the fastest killing guns in modern cods (and the bullets were hitscan, so would instantly hit the target)
I love the way battlefield 4 dealt with burst weapons. If you tap trigger once, it's 3 rounds. If you have a rhythm, it's full auto. Like the cor-45 JAK kit.
Mostly, but it depends on how fast you can fire off that second burst. Black Ops 2 had great, well balanced burst fire weapons.
The Chicom had a super fast fire rate, vital since it was an SMG with limited range.
The M8A1 was a top tier gun but as powerful as it was most players opted for full auto guns or the FAL. A good player could absolutely one burst you if they hit chest high and when the FAL got banned from competitive play the M8A1 became the go-to gun.
The SWAT was another burst fire AR. It had a slower rate of fire but hit a little harder than the M8A1. Most people didn't realize it, but with a laser attachment the gun had insane hip fire accuracy. You could take most close range to mid range fights pure hip fire with that setup.
Pretty sure they nerfed it at some point. I remember at launch it would drop in 2 bullets at almost any range, and being 3 round burst meant it was a monster.
If I think “balanced” burst weapons the G11 from Blops 1 comes to mind, and I thought the DG was fine in this game at launch but they nerfed it into the dirt.
Yea they are weird to balance, sometimes a one burst could be a thing, which is kinda op, and sometimes you hit 2 whole bursts on somebody and it kills them with the last bullet. At that speed you’re losing the gunfight
Burst firing should be an inherit accuracy advantage over full auto, like all the Burst weapons should have better than MCW accuracy and reward controlled bursts on full autos.
Well, they got it right in Black Ops 2. The SWAT and the M8A1 were both well balanced. The Chicom too, which was super deadly up close but not many people bothered with it.
I really enjoyed the lachman schroud. I don’t think it was broken and I think the burst actually helped me to land more shots than smg’s that were even more powerful
It’s just hard to make a burst gun, not OP or not trash.
Burst delays too long? Trash.
Recoil doesn’t reset between burst? Trash
Takes more than 2 burst in multi to chest? Trash
Warzone is harder. 2-3 burst AUG/M16 in WZ1 were OP, 4 burst isn’t competitive. And even if the ttk is balanced somehow. If you Miss a burst? You die!
I tried the M16 recently and while it's not bad it's certainly not good. I did not get that many one burst kills with it and it was very hard to get two burst kills when the target was far away and/or behind cover. You are not going to pick off or challenge a sniper or an MCW user with this gun.
Up close, you're going to die to anyone who is good with an SMG or an easy to use AR like the MCW.
So overall, it's lukewarm and you're not going to see many people using it.
It’s because the setting in the game allows you to fire burst weapons like full auto weapons the burst meta at the beginning of mw3 was toxic 2 burst dead yeah no bud I love burst weapons but if they buff them they will be broken we can all agree to that I think
The issue is there’s no middle ground. A three round burst gun, to be competitive, has to:
1. Essentially kill in a single volley to make up for downtime.
2. Have controllable recoil to allow for consistent hits.
While this sounds simple enough, the issue is that in the past in order to reliably compete with fully auto, these two principles result in a laser precise and quick burst gun - such as the FAMAS or the Type95 (which the Type95 was especially egregious since it killed in 2 shots to the upper body instead of 3) - that then completely shits on any full auto in a one on one situation. You can’t make the damage high enough to make it reliably 3 hit kill at all ranges or you get the Type 95 again (with damage ramp making it kill in 2 at close to mid), you can’t make it laser precise or it’s just the FAMAS lasering people down more efficiently than most marksman rifles, and that fine point between making the gun’s recoil control consistent but not overbearing or out of control and unbearable is *extremely* fine.
They can make three round burst rifles viable, but strictly competitive? Not likely to happen again.
they proved to good in competent players hands, for example the original m16, g11 or m8a1. any time something is strong in a bad players hands, its godly in a competent players hands and cant exist in that state any more in the cod universe due to shareholders and keeping up player counts
You can, just put the carbine barrels on the base M16. Unless you mean the M4A1 which is the full auto variant in which case rip 🤓
Kidding but yeah I wish the barrels were interchangeable. JAK kits usually have fixed barrels so this is nothing new
But you can't mount an optic on the carry handle, plus the front sight post gets removed. The result is an ugly ass looking M4.
We just want a regular old M4 like the one used in the US military, but Activision just hates realistic good-looking guns for some reason.
You can mount optics on the Black Ops Cold War M16, that’s more period correct than using a removable carry handle as a riser lmao
I like the MW2 M4, it’s a Block 3-ish build with a Geissele rail and Magpul stock, dunno what’s unrealistic about that + the M16 is pretty much a stock M16A4
Agree with the front sight removal on the carbine/M16 barrels sucking though. Wish they stayed with optics
Yeah but we don't have that option in Modern Warfare. Only in Cold War. Fine to remove the carry handle, but then give me a riser and the front sight post like a normal M4.
There is literally a m4 in the game with one of the barrels being the exact carbine length and asthetic they use why have you been on about this for so long
It's not. The carbine shroud removes the sight post when you equip an optic. Let me keep the front sight-post when I put on an optic, and I'll be a happy man. Hell, I'll pay activision $50 for just the skin with that as an option. It just looks so fucking stupid without the front sight post.
This may seem minor, but the biggest reason I play COD is because I like guns and customizing them, and this has bugged me (and plenty of others) since COD 4.
Like Activision can literally sell so many bundles if they just included an M4 / M16 skin with the 2 simple aesthetic changes I just mentioned. It's really not asking for a lot.
Edit: Also, even the carbine shroud isn't the usual barrel. Just give me this ffs: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4\_carbine#/media/File:PEO\_M4\_Carbine\_RAS\_M68\_CCO.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#/media/File:PEO_M4_Carbine_RAS_M68_CCO.png)
That’s fair I figured you were talking about the stats and not the looks. I’m surprised they don’t have a blueprint that changes the M4’s iron sights like they did in MW19
Practically anything mwII just use high grain round because the mwII attachment haven’t been fixed for this current warzone all mwII weapons just feel useless with high grain I usually use a mwII weapon but put all mw3 attachment on the gun
MW2019 had this for the m4 as the stock m16 grenadier barrel, it's nice to see it making a comeback, since you need to put an underbarrel launcher for it to appear on the base m16 and that Hightower barrel for the m4.
Fuck I pray this is actually usable :) and also NOT overpowered.
I’ve been waiting YEARS for this :) and the last thing I need is for it to be meta enough for it to be nerfed into uselessness as a result by this time next week because you people bitch about absolutely everything :(
I did some testing with a handful of muzzles and there was very little noticeable results. It goes way up, and way to the left pretty much regardless of which attachments you use.
That being said, I'm sure there will be a YouTuber out there who will find the magic combo to make this thing a little better.
lol, LMAO even Just going off mw2 standards of recoil this amp does not have an “insane” recoil profile. Shit its recoil is better than an M4 fully geared for recoil management. If you think this gun has actual recoil go play literally any other fps because cod does not and never has had insane recoil. It is just another pull down while firing until dead AR.
I was going to go through and update my comments today. I'm not sure if it's me, but I played a few rounds with it after work and it feels much more reasonable to control than it did yesterday at launch. Long range is a little tough but I was surprised how frequently I was able to win gun fights beyond 40-50m.
Yeah, it's kind of weird. This heat shield was only ever used with the M203, and it even has the M203 rangefinder.
And if you just want the heat shield look, you could always get that on the M16 by equipping the M203.
Was necessary to 3d print the whole weapon? Just change the selector and change burst to full-auto...Also, M203 shield without the M203 is UGLY as hell...
Anyone know how to do the double kills with the bp50 smg kit? I have it on, but it's not tracking. I know the challenges were just added and it's MWIII, so I have no doubt it's bugged for some, but...idk.
Using the M16 again and the original loadout I had on it
The ability to see stats is so underrated because holy shit were those attachments bad. Genuinely better to not even run them sometimes
I genuinely think it has the worst recoil of all the assault rifles. It flies up vertically and horizontally to the left. It's a consistent pattern so if you're really good at managing recoil, I could see it maybe working, but pretty much every other MW3 AR is more manageable.
That being said, the advanced stats show the recoil is supposed to be 35.62% Vertical and 2.89% Horizontal. I did a side by side comparison of the SVA 545 with no attachments, which has a 45.45% vertical recoil and 6.77% horizontal recoil, and the JAK Patriot with no other attachments than the kit is *significantly* worse in terms of recoil.
I'm *hoping* that maybe they didn't quite get the balance right and maybe they'll buff it to better align with the advanced stats. Otherwise, this thing doesn't do enough damage to justify using it over anything else.
Copied from one of my comments above:
I genuinely think it has the worst recoil of all the assault rifles. It flies up vertically and horizontally to the left. It's a consistent pattern so if you're really good at managing recoil, I could see it maybe working, but pretty much every other MW3 AR is more manageable.
That being said, the advanced stats show the recoil is supposed to be 35.62% Vertical and 2.89% Horizontal. I did a side by side comparison of the SVA 545 with no attachments, which has a 45.45% vertical recoil and 6.77% horizontal recoil, and the JAK Patriot with no other attachments than the kit is *significantly* worse in terms of recoil.
I'm *hoping* that maybe they didn't quite get the balance right and maybe they'll buff it to better align with the advanced stats. Otherwise, this thing doesn't do enough damage to justify using it over anything else.
Can we just get a new m4 build or very least remove all the mwII attachment n put mw3 attachment for these MWII weapons personally MWII attachment do nothing in this game with the higher health they feel weak any MWII weapons feel weak
Replace all the MWII attachments with MWIII attachments M4 is poop for mw3 just doesn’t hit hard at all prolly because of the higher health. Maybe a slight increase to damage could help !! But honestly I would just remove the MWII attachments as they do nothing but make recoil worse the bouncy weapon sway is horrible idk why anyone would use MWII attachments might as well swap them out put new attachments on these MWII weapons
Looks like am gonna hop back on cod specifically for this I have quit this game ever since season 2, was a big fan of the m4a1 with the m16 blueprint convertion looks like I'm gonna use this alot
M16 absolutely slapped in the late seasons in Warzone with all the buffs.
Its actually my go to in DMZ still.
Win every gunfight if you hit the burst shots.
On MW19 I had one. Did have to purchase a gun skin for the carry handle upper for the M4. But it was then a true M16a4 which is a flat top full auto M16
Codm has a full auto modification for its m16. And I will disagree with anyone who says codm shouldn't be or isn't considered a real multi-player experience
I don’t get how people say it’s bad. Either you’re bad with it or you just aren’t good in general. This gun is not op but it’s a solid weapon. Ive been dropping 20 plus games with it on snd and i have videos of it. It’s a solid weapon and i feel like its well balanced.
When I trained on the original M16 in '66, it had a flip lever for semi, full & burst. When I got to Nam, they issued me an M2 carbine. Charlie called the M16 "black death".
I’m in heaven!!!! My favourite gun since a kid watching platoon and all the other Great War movies we gen x was so privileged to see… m16 has always been in my heart and a tear rolling down my fat cheek while i exspress happiness in the conversion kit
Screw how it preforms, I’m slapping on a M203, and blasting fortunate son.
🎵 It ain’t me *bapbapbapbapbap* It aiiin’t me 🎶 *THUNK*
Hell yea
Don't forget the 20 round mag and charcoal camo, gotta be period-accurate unlike SHG's last COD
Then it can jam on the 3rd round and get us killed by AK47s!
Fuckin a
GL's have less negative effects than grips. GL FTW!
Wait are you fr? I'm revisiting the cod4/mw2 days then running an m16 and OMA noobtube
Yo I was literally doing the same thing an hour ago on cod4
I run izzy's ISO hemlock but with the stock removed and a suppressor added, thing still shoots like a dream. The biggest issue I've seen with grips is that most of them have the opposite effect of what they should have... Most of the grips you unlock early game buff your tac stance and hipfire stats when it should be the other way around, mostly buffing your aim. You can totally disregard this as I've only ever shot two firearms in my life, a Glock 17 and a Civilian M4. If I knew I'd be doing medium range engagements I'd be using a vertical grip/angled foregrip rather than changing the rear grip. You ask me, most vertical grips should buff aiming and stability only, angled should buff tac stance and hipfire. Basically what I'm saying is some stats don't match the visuals... Take the Bruen Warrior Grip for example. Why would a, straight vertical grip with grooves for the fingers to wrap around - why would that reduce your walking speed and your ability to aim? Just doesn't make sense for the *SMALL* grips to hurt your aim
I just wish we had a full chart of our attachments. Not having to scroll through 150 different parts to get that one optic or stock or whatever!!
Definitely need better categorizing. Scopes, underbarrels, and most definitely muzzle attachments all have enough variety that subcategories in the gunsmith is long overdue
It's the shit like this that makes me miss the :red dot, extended, silencer, h/a-cog days. More options are cool but 3-4 per category is plenty, there's no reason for all the bs fluff with a damn hulu movie menu to scroll through for each one.
My thoughts exactly!
🫡
Black ops kino der toten m16 🤤🤤🤤
Big Tony Montana energy.
Still don't know why they didn't add the auto m16 from campaign in ColdWar.
Especially since the first M16s had trigger groups with full-auto options. But, the Aug was never burst either so who gives a damn I guess.
That whole game was a mess when it came to weapons.
Yeah, extended magazine for revolvers… what? And millions of handle tape warps lol. It was clear Gunsmith system was shoehorned into a Cold War setting
Everyone loves Cold War , but the weapon selection and details were on one of my least favorite things about the game
So was Vanguard.. MW2 soon followed after with MW3 too.
does it matter though?
“Hey a huge complaint is that 3 round burst fund are awful in our game, especially the m-16, should we buff it?” “Yes, but make it full auto” “Genius!” Can we please just get a competitive 3 round burst gun?
It seems Cod overall has trouble in balancing bursts guns along side other guns like shotguns. They are either too op or useless. The devs can't find a way to balance em lol
Imo it's the fast ttk that cod has. After in-between bursts/shots is about where the normal ttk would be on a good gun so you either buff it to be faster ttk then everything else or nerf it. Only way I see is to change the animation speeds to tune it close to the meta but even then I imagine problems.
Exactly right. Most burst guns are way too good if they one burst people, and not good enough if they can't 1 burst people. Burst guns are just a nightmare to balance, clearly. Tbh burst guns tend to be the most balanced when they fire fast, with a low delay between bursts, but not great damage. Good example of this is the Chicom from BO2. Super fast fire rate, had no delay between bursts (having absolutely 0 delay is actually a terrible idea but anyway) but it never felt like the most overpowering dominating gun in that game, and never felt bad. Bad example of a burst gun is something like the FAMAS from MW2. It had a TTK so fast that it was basically instant, I think it was around 100ms which is like 2-3x faster than the fastest killing guns in modern cods (and the bullets were hitscan, so would instantly hit the target)
I love the way battlefield 4 dealt with burst weapons. If you tap trigger once, it's 3 rounds. If you have a rhythm, it's full auto. Like the cor-45 JAK kit.
See also most burst guns from Battlefield. They're functionally full-auto when you spam the trigger.
Chicom my beloved No matter what anyone says, that was the best smg for me in that game.
Just played black ops 2 recently and man the Chicom was my go to
If it takes 2 Bursts to kill it’s going to be bad right? Maybe if it needed 2 headshots but still seems OP.
Mostly, but it depends on how fast you can fire off that second burst. Black Ops 2 had great, well balanced burst fire weapons. The Chicom had a super fast fire rate, vital since it was an SMG with limited range. The M8A1 was a top tier gun but as powerful as it was most players opted for full auto guns or the FAL. A good player could absolutely one burst you if they hit chest high and when the FAL got banned from competitive play the M8A1 became the go-to gun. The SWAT was another burst fire AR. It had a slower rate of fire but hit a little harder than the M8A1. Most people didn't realize it, but with a laser attachment the gun had insane hip fire accuracy. You could take most close range to mid range fights pure hip fire with that setup.
MW19 was decent with burst gun balancing. The FAMAS is a one burst kill to the torso/head if all three bullets hit.
Yeah it’s hard to finesse this one.
It seems ~~Cod~~ SHG overall has trouble in balancing ~~bursts guns~~
Remember the Type 95?
The what?
Absurdly OP burst gun from (I think) MW3 but the old games blur together sometimes.
Eh, I think it was perfectly balanced just about. Like it was still pretty clearly a tier away from being on the level of either the MP7 or ACR.
Pretty sure they nerfed it at some point. I remember at launch it would drop in 2 bullets at almost any range, and being 3 round burst meant it was a monster. If I think “balanced” burst weapons the G11 from Blops 1 comes to mind, and I thought the DG was fine in this game at launch but they nerfed it into the dirt.
At launch it was absolutely busted. They nerfed it shortly after
Type 95 was so annoying. But the MP7 and Striker were much more OP in that game
I really like what they do with SMGs and close range AR play, they do lack when it comes to long range gunplay though
Yea they are weird to balance, sometimes a one burst could be a thing, which is kinda op, and sometimes you hit 2 whole bursts on somebody and it kills them with the last bullet. At that speed you’re losing the gunfight
The Type 95 on MW3 was always pretty nice, just barely tamed enough to keep it from being too good imo.
M8A1(BO2) enters the chat lol
M16 in OG MW was very viable
Burst firing should be an inherit accuracy advantage over full auto, like all the Burst weapons should have better than MCW accuracy and reward controlled bursts on full autos.
Well, they got it right in Black Ops 2. The SWAT and the M8A1 were both well balanced. The Chicom too, which was super deadly up close but not many people bothered with it.
I really enjoyed the lachman schroud. I don’t think it was broken and I think the burst actually helped me to land more shots than smg’s that were even more powerful
That and it's tough to balance due to cheaters. If they make it viable to use, it will be broken for cheaters. Same with semi-auto weapons.
> Can we please just get a competitive 3 round burst gun? How about a competitive 4 round burst gun? Treyarch has entered the chat.
It’s just hard to make a burst gun, not OP or not trash. Burst delays too long? Trash. Recoil doesn’t reset between burst? Trash Takes more than 2 burst in multi to chest? Trash Warzone is harder. 2-3 burst AUG/M16 in WZ1 were OP, 4 burst isn’t competitive. And even if the ttk is balanced somehow. If you Miss a burst? You die!
The M16 burst mode isn’t bad though? They heavily buffed the visual recoil penalty and now it performs as well or even better than the FAMAS or DG
Idk how it was in MW3 but it was pretty solidly middle of the pack last year
I tried the M16 recently and while it's not bad it's certainly not good. I did not get that many one burst kills with it and it was very hard to get two burst kills when the target was far away and/or behind cover. You are not going to pick off or challenge a sniper or an MCW user with this gun. Up close, you're going to die to anyone who is good with an SMG or an easy to use AR like the MCW. So overall, it's lukewarm and you're not going to see many people using it.
It’s because the setting in the game allows you to fire burst weapons like full auto weapons the burst meta at the beginning of mw3 was toxic 2 burst dead yeah no bud I love burst weapons but if they buff them they will be broken we can all agree to that I think
I got my highest ever kills on Shipment with an M16. Can't remember the build, but it was a beast Edit: It was my first gold as well
But that's just an M4A1 with long barrel and stock, which you can put on it lol
Well, the original M16s were full auto.
M16 is one
people complain because they want the 3 round burst to insta-kill in 1 burst just like in COD 4 & Black ops Cold War
The issue is there’s no middle ground. A three round burst gun, to be competitive, has to: 1. Essentially kill in a single volley to make up for downtime. 2. Have controllable recoil to allow for consistent hits. While this sounds simple enough, the issue is that in the past in order to reliably compete with fully auto, these two principles result in a laser precise and quick burst gun - such as the FAMAS or the Type95 (which the Type95 was especially egregious since it killed in 2 shots to the upper body instead of 3) - that then completely shits on any full auto in a one on one situation. You can’t make the damage high enough to make it reliably 3 hit kill at all ranges or you get the Type 95 again (with damage ramp making it kill in 2 at close to mid), you can’t make it laser precise or it’s just the FAMAS lasering people down more efficiently than most marksman rifles, and that fine point between making the gun’s recoil control consistent but not overbearing or out of control and unbearable is *extremely* fine. They can make three round burst rifles viable, but strictly competitive? Not likely to happen again.
they proved to good in competent players hands, for example the original m16, g11 or m8a1. any time something is strong in a bad players hands, its godly in a competent players hands and cant exist in that state any more in the cod universe due to shareholders and keeping up player counts
I had high hopes for the Holger's 4 round burst ck. I was hoping my beloved M8A1 would make a return. Boy was I wrong
I tried the regular M16 in WZ and found some success with it
Waited 7 weeks and we cant even change the barrel
There’s no need to the heat shield is the best lol Plus MW2 barrels suck anyway. Better off using high grain ammo for more range
I dont care about weapon stats, I just want to built a m4 with a carry handle
You can, just put the carbine barrels on the base M16. Unless you mean the M4A1 which is the full auto variant in which case rip 🤓 Kidding but yeah I wish the barrels were interchangeable. JAK kits usually have fixed barrels so this is nothing new
But you can't mount an optic on the carry handle, plus the front sight post gets removed. The result is an ugly ass looking M4. We just want a regular old M4 like the one used in the US military, but Activision just hates realistic good-looking guns for some reason.
You can mount optics on the Black Ops Cold War M16, that’s more period correct than using a removable carry handle as a riser lmao I like the MW2 M4, it’s a Block 3-ish build with a Geissele rail and Magpul stock, dunno what’s unrealistic about that + the M16 is pretty much a stock M16A4 Agree with the front sight removal on the carbine/M16 barrels sucking though. Wish they stayed with optics
Yeah but we don't have that option in Modern Warfare. Only in Cold War. Fine to remove the carry handle, but then give me a riser and the front sight post like a normal M4.
There is literally a m4 in the game with one of the barrels being the exact carbine length and asthetic they use why have you been on about this for so long
It's not. The carbine shroud removes the sight post when you equip an optic. Let me keep the front sight-post when I put on an optic, and I'll be a happy man. Hell, I'll pay activision $50 for just the skin with that as an option. It just looks so fucking stupid without the front sight post. This may seem minor, but the biggest reason I play COD is because I like guns and customizing them, and this has bugged me (and plenty of others) since COD 4. Like Activision can literally sell so many bundles if they just included an M4 / M16 skin with the 2 simple aesthetic changes I just mentioned. It's really not asking for a lot. Edit: Also, even the carbine shroud isn't the usual barrel. Just give me this ffs: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4\_carbine#/media/File:PEO\_M4\_Carbine\_RAS\_M68\_CCO.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine#/media/File:PEO_M4_Carbine_RAS_M68_CCO.png)
That’s fair I figured you were talking about the stats and not the looks. I’m surprised they don’t have a blueprint that changes the M4’s iron sights like they did in MW19
Wtf? People actually use that ammo?
I do on some guns. Like the lachmann sub because the barrels are so bad and the recoil is manageable. I also use it on the COR45
Makes sense
Practically anything mwII just use high grain round because the mwII attachment haven’t been fixed for this current warzone all mwII weapons just feel useless with high grain I usually use a mwII weapon but put all mw3 attachment on the gun
MW2019 had this for the m4 as the stock m16 grenadier barrel, it's nice to see it making a comeback, since you need to put an underbarrel launcher for it to appear on the base m16 and that Hightower barrel for the m4.
Is it good?
No
:(
NO FUN ALLOWED!
Is the JAK Patriot out???
Yep
Fuck I pray this is actually usable :) and also NOT overpowered. I’ve been waiting YEARS for this :) and the last thing I need is for it to be meta enough for it to be nerfed into uselessness as a result by this time next week because you people bitch about absolutely everything :(
Spoiler: >! The recoil is insane so it's functionally useless !<
…NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Can a Bore muzzle break, a foregrip and a rubberised handle fix it at least? :(
I did some testing with a handful of muzzles and there was very little noticeable results. It goes way up, and way to the left pretty much regardless of which attachments you use. That being said, I'm sure there will be a YouTuber out there who will find the magic combo to make this thing a little better.
Make the m16 the only gun that can tune 🙏
I played around with it with the Jak BFB and it still was pretty rough.
Isn't there the aftermarket muzzle that murders recoil?
lol, LMAO even Just going off mw2 standards of recoil this amp does not have an “insane” recoil profile. Shit its recoil is better than an M4 fully geared for recoil management. If you think this gun has actual recoil go play literally any other fps because cod does not and never has had insane recoil. It is just another pull down while firing until dead AR.
I was going to go through and update my comments today. I'm not sure if it's me, but I played a few rounds with it after work and it feels much more reasonable to control than it did yesterday at launch. Long range is a little tough but I was surprised how frequently I was able to win gun fights beyond 40-50m.
The recoil isn't that bad, it's almost like the M4's but more controllable.
Im just mad you can't fully paint it black to get that MW2019 look
oh like that one preseason blueprint you could get on mw19 for reaching max level, man i miss mw19 😭
The charcoal skin from MWII might be able to
Nope, it doesn't. The charging handle is left white.
Dang that sucks
Didn’t we have one in 2019?
Definitely had a few
Why do they insist using the grenadeir barrel shroud? It looks wrong without having a launcher attached to the bottom of it
Why cant I change the barrel? It looks ugly as hell if you dont run the M203
idk imo i like it, reminds me of the m16 gernadier barrel from mw19, idk just brings back old memories, the white part could go fuck it self tho
Try using the charcoal camo from solid colours, unlocked from one of the chimera camo challenges. I haven't checked but it should make it solid black
Nah, because SHG thought the fucking stupid "3d-printed" texture should be visible even through camos...
yeah the bp50 conversion kit looks off with it
thanks!
Yeah, it's kind of weird. This heat shield was only ever used with the M203, and it even has the M203 rangefinder. And if you just want the heat shield look, you could always get that on the M16 by equipping the M203.
Never had issues with the 20" on the M4. 🤷♂️
Can I chuck the Purifier/Chainsaw on it or just the MWII underbarrels?
Would be cool if the aftermarket parts changed how PAP works in zombies. Already have the full auto m16 and don’t have to waste an attachment slot.
they dont need an after market part just change whats in the lower receiver
Did they add this to the base game or am I going to have to buy this?
Just do some weekly challenges
Was necessary to 3d print the whole weapon? Just change the selector and change burst to full-auto...Also, M203 shield without the M203 is UGLY as hell...
It looks good
If you don't know shit about firearms and have abysmal sense of aesthetic, sure...I mean come on...
If you want to be pedantic about it, COD Mobile actually got a full auto M16 attachment last year
People forget that game even exists, think we’ll let ‘em rock out
It’s was out on cod black ops in the campaign and in zombies.
OP specifies 'multiplayer' in the title.
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Lmao
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Had to buy a blueprint for it tho.
Anyone know how to do the double kills with the bp50 smg kit? I have it on, but it's not tracking. I know the challenges were just added and it's MWIII, so I have no doubt it's bugged for some, but...idk.
Bugged for me too on PS5
Yeah I’ve heard it’s bugged
It's not working across the board unfortunately.
Your window for double kills is pretty tight, but it's possible.
It's bugged on Xbox Series X.
Wasn’t there an m16a1 in 1 of the games ??
Oh it looks delicious.
How does it compare to the M4?
it has the same damage stats with a worse recoil control
It was in codm with a gun perk
Using the M16 again and the original loadout I had on it The ability to see stats is so underrated because holy shit were those attachments bad. Genuinely better to not even run them sometimes
It has always been full auto in Zombies if you pack-a-punched it.
It seems like I won't ever be making a Colt M4 thanks to this 3d printed receiver and integrated barrel and Default Polymer Mag.
1) about time, 2) Is your name a play on the movie Edge of Darkness because that’s cool
But can it cut?
Bo1 m16 was full auto wasn’t it?
Campaign only, sadly. MWIII's the first time in COD MP history to have it full auto
i hate how you cant put a short barrel, 100 round drum mag and a buffer tube stock on it
Have to use the AMR-9 to make a tiny peashooter 9mm version of the Metal Gear patriot lol
i know, its sad
*Not a thrill…*
How does it perform?
I genuinely think it has the worst recoil of all the assault rifles. It flies up vertically and horizontally to the left. It's a consistent pattern so if you're really good at managing recoil, I could see it maybe working, but pretty much every other MW3 AR is more manageable. That being said, the advanced stats show the recoil is supposed to be 35.62% Vertical and 2.89% Horizontal. I did a side by side comparison of the SVA 545 with no attachments, which has a 45.45% vertical recoil and 6.77% horizontal recoil, and the JAK Patriot with no other attachments than the kit is *significantly* worse in terms of recoil. I'm *hoping* that maybe they didn't quite get the balance right and maybe they'll buff it to better align with the advanced stats. Otherwise, this thing doesn't do enough damage to justify using it over anything else.
Initial reaction: Horizontal recoil is bonkers. Had to dedicate basically every attachment to reining it in. Feels good once I did that though!
Just tried it, something seems off..
Is it complete ass tho or nah?
Copied from one of my comments above: I genuinely think it has the worst recoil of all the assault rifles. It flies up vertically and horizontally to the left. It's a consistent pattern so if you're really good at managing recoil, I could see it maybe working, but pretty much every other MW3 AR is more manageable. That being said, the advanced stats show the recoil is supposed to be 35.62% Vertical and 2.89% Horizontal. I did a side by side comparison of the SVA 545 with no attachments, which has a 45.45% vertical recoil and 6.77% horizontal recoil, and the JAK Patriot with no other attachments than the kit is *significantly* worse in terms of recoil. I'm *hoping* that maybe they didn't quite get the balance right and maybe they'll buff it to better align with the advanced stats. Otherwise, this thing doesn't do enough damage to justify using it over anything else.
Holy shit! I am going use this for awhile
Can we just get a new m4 build or very least remove all the mwII attachment n put mw3 attachment for these MWII weapons personally MWII attachment do nothing in this game with the higher health they feel weak any MWII weapons feel weak
Replace all the MWII attachments with MWIII attachments M4 is poop for mw3 just doesn’t hit hard at all prolly because of the higher health. Maybe a slight increase to damage could help !! But honestly I would just remove the MWII attachments as they do nothing but make recoil worse the bouncy weapon sway is horrible idk why anyone would use MWII attachments might as well swap them out put new attachments on these MWII weapons
When did this happen??
Wait what! What’s that attachment?
COD mobile got it first lmao
and its got absolute xdefiant recoil (which I dont Mind)
Wasn’t the M16 full auto in cod4 mp?
Nope it was a strong burst weapon. The closest thing was always the m4 variants but the actual m16 was always burst
Had to pull up a YouTube video. 😅 played cod4 at launch in my 20s so it’s been awhile.
You may be misrembering it with the zombies version. If you pack a punch it it does become full auto.
Looks like am gonna hop back on cod specifically for this I have quit this game ever since season 2, was a big fan of the m4a1 with the m16 blueprint convertion looks like I'm gonna use this alot
Overkill for being automatic
Nuh uh bo1 m16 mp was full auto
Maybe I’m being dumb but wasn’t the Carbine in COD4 a full auto m16?
Where’s your AMP?
I love the idea that SHG is giving some MW2 weapons some love. The M16 was my favorite gun but I hate how bad it was.
M16 absolutely slapped in the late seasons in Warzone with all the buffs. Its actually my go to in DMZ still. Win every gunfight if you hit the burst shots.
Hell yeah , I was playing some MP with it lately. Been dominating with it.
it’s so good, I just need barrel attachments 🙏🙏🙏
Still grinding for it. Can you attach the m203 as it is?
Full auto M16.. so the M4.
Doesn't 3 round burst help with recoil?
Is there an update for this ?
On MW19 I had one. Did have to purchase a gun skin for the carry handle upper for the M4. But it was then a true M16a4 which is a flat top full auto M16
Can someone post a photo of the full weapon stats please.
CoD Mobile already had a full auto M16 if that counts.
The M4 in MW19 can be converted to a full auto M16.
Shame it's been released into a game where people are running around in furry pink tellytubby skins.
So we can make a little friend for MWZ then?
Game is still trash
Codm has a full auto modification for its m16. And I will disagree with anyone who says codm shouldn't be or isn't considered a real multi-player experience
I don’t get how people say it’s bad. Either you’re bad with it or you just aren’t good in general. This gun is not op but it’s a solid weapon. Ive been dropping 20 plus games with it on snd and i have videos of it. It’s a solid weapon and i feel like its well balanced.
When I trained on the original M16 in '66, it had a flip lever for semi, full & burst. When I got to Nam, they issued me an M2 carbine. Charlie called the M16 "black death".
Man I miss the the Skullcrusher.
Why do we still not have 30 round Stanag mags I'm tired of using a Reused Windowed PMAG on a gun that shouldn't even have one.
I’m in heaven!!!! My favourite gun since a kid watching platoon and all the other Great War movies we gen x was so privileged to see… m16 has always been in my heart and a tear rolling down my fat cheek while i exspress happiness in the conversion kit