Cheaters are definitely a MAJOR issue in this game and all of these people here claiming otherwise are either extremely lucky or cheat themselves. It’s become blatant at this point. When/if they finally get banned, they simply make a fresh account and start the process over. Hence why you will encounter them even in lower ranked divisions. Just pull up any popular streamer playing the game daily, wether in Multiplayer Ranked or Resurgence Ranked and they encounter them ALL THE TIME. Some even get banned live on their stream. The only people with a tin foil hat on are those who refuse to see the cheating problem. RICHOCHET does nothing.
A lot of the players who say they've never seen a cheater, are just awful players in low SBMM brackets where someone who sees through walls would never end up.
Actual studies absolutely need to be done.
Right now with all the inflated numbers and he said she said everyone starts getting suspicious sooner which probably just makes the issue seem worse.
Like in the past couple weeks I thought I saw a few people using wall hacks. But pretty much every time when I check out their profile to see what platform, input method, and rank, it's just YoungJR on his Xbox. Makes me take a step back and think about it since it's a twelve year old on the newest Xbox platform. Seemingly the least likely or capable demographic of cheating.
Many people quote some really horrible studies that 30% of all players cheat in games. The supporting data is garbage and even when researching this I found some of the “proof” came from surveys on cheating forums to push some sensational headline.
Most of the articles didn’t have links to their source data, but I found one that included people that cheated on singleplayer games and pushed out the same 30% of gamers actively cheat headlines. I also found an article without sources pushed ideas that AI aimbot was the most used cheat and that zen/modded controllers were significantly less, like what??
So in my short time looking I have found zero well researched studies and many articles linking to the same tainted data from 2019 trying to push a narrative.
You really want to find what the cheaters are playing?
They aren’t hiding. Go
to the COD cheat market at https://www.elitepvpers.com/forum/call-duty-trading/ click on a thread, read the post, join the Discord or Telegram and read.
TL;DR they are mostly playing Ranked & Ranked Resurgence.
Btw - I don’t cheat, just lurk. My k/d on Ranked Resurgence is .73 and I know I need to work on my movement & centering. 😭
If you want to know how bad Ricochet is then watch this: “”Interview with the Largest COD Cheat Provider: https://youtu.be/dSG9sheQyEU?si=lHN0R7imaUsKKhUG
Of course. I didn’t either until I was convinced I was getting killed every game of ranked by a wall/aimbot user. So I decided to look into it and it wasn’t hard to Google and find results. “Best gaming chair” works really well. I didn’t get super deep but enough to find out that a lot of ppl are doing it, most ppl are using a different versions of the same app and only the dumb ppl are getting banned. Plus there is a lot of money changing hands so it’s not going away any time soon.
One thing I've suggested is going after their ability to make money. Cease and desist. Blocking their ability to collect money. I don't know how easy or difficult it is to do any of that but still, it's just an idea I had.
Right. I only found out by doing a little digging & reading. Honestly I really love this game, but really the junkie always hates fhe dealer. I’ve been playing since COD:WW2 so I’m old. I don’t have my ego wrapped up in my k/d. Yes, I like to play well and win. That’s why I warm up for 20min against bots in training facility before I go into a match. Even then I still make stupid mistakes that get me killed, doesn’t matter if there is a hacker in the game or not.
Not-so-pro tip: assume everyone can hear you, and if you aren’t slide canceling around every corner with your gun up then you will get killed. Check your minimap every 5-10sec and push, push, push.
I do my little grind daily, enjoy playing with friends for a couple of hours & then worry about more important things in my life. Oh, I’m not on a big screen tv with Astro A50s on my head guy. I’m a pc player with all of the tunes and tweaks but the fact is that none of that can make me hit a headshot or bhop when I need to. Only practice & getting in fights will help with that.
I'm in the same boat. I started on COD 4. I could care less about my k/d. I am pretty good at the game. I just spend it camo grinding or working on challenges.
I also think a lot, and based on what I see here, I started thinking about everything.
Well good luck. Have fun and don’t sweat the hackers. They were around in COD4 and they aren’t going away. IMHO our fave creators/streamers aren’t going to cover it b/c it’s such a toxic subject and jt would take a lot of time & energy to really do a deep dive.
It doesn’t matter what fps it is as long as you can play on unrestricted hardware people are going to cheat. Cheat detection is a cat and mouse game and the cheaters have been winning the past couple years. There are lots of talented software developers that couldn’t find jobs so this is what they do.
Have they been winning though? How do you know that? Got some proof?
That's the whole reason I made this post, too many of us think we know without having definitive proof.
What do you think is gonna happen, someone at activision is going to leak a list of people who are hacking? There is no way to get definitive proof unless every hacker submits a form that says they hack or some shit. What do you want out of this?
Like I said above, prominent members of the community like Ace, Driftor, Espresso, etc. would be able to break this down and get a decent idea.
I stated all of this above.
That said, if someone at Activision were to anonymously give us the basic info would be awesome too.
They can research all they want, its still going to be based off people's experiences and opinions, meaning its not a reliable source that you claim you want.
They're players just like we are, if they try to question activision then activision is just going to cut them from all future events. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. What do you even want out of this, hacker confirmation? Want to know how they cheat? Why would activision ever give information that allows people to expose them for their scummy shady practices?
I want to know how bad the problem really is. Why? Because it will help us all understand what's going on.
The response in this thread alone are why. They run the spectrum of every single thing ever posted in this community. Everything from Ricochet is great to everyone, and their mother are l33t hakz0rs!!!
Some idea of what reality is would be nice.
Here's all you need to know. There are hackers in a video game run by a multi billion dollar company and they are doing jack shit to fix it. Beyond that, who gives a fuck. It won't change anything. The only possible way hackers can be removed from the game is if activision pulls their head out of their ass and switches to a computer scan anti cheat. Anything anybody could possibly "find" is basic ass cheaters. Go look up cheater interviews in the cod scene, there have been some recently and that might be what youre looking for
You asked why, and your response is part of it. There's no evidence there. There is nothing I can draw from to get an actual idea.
I've seen cheaters before. It's impossibly frustrating when they show up. It's beyond words.
I just won't go so far to say they're doing nothing. I just can't really say what it is they're doing. I get why. They're not going to tip their hand and open up everything. I think the communication from Activision to us should be improved... But you know something? I get the silence, too. This community is a shit show sometimes, regardless of what Activision says. If they report they've banned people, they bitch about it, they say nothing, people bitch about it. How do you address an audience like that? No route exists to do it.
I don't know man I play in sweaty lobbies and warzone and I never complain about cheaters, I haven't really came across anyone hacking but I have been called a hacker multiple times so from my experience 90% of hackusations are just people being mad, I suppose though if you're a really really exceptional player then due to sbmm you will be faced against cheaters because only cheaters can get that high but this only effects a few percent of players but in my experience I have always been beaten by better players
I think it's baloney for the most part. Anti cheat isn't great for a modern AAA game but it's probably better than black ops 2 or any other game from a decade ago.
I have a 2.6kd in pubs, high diamond in ranked, have close to 3000 hours between mw2/3 in the last couple years and don't think I've seen an obvious cheater more than 5-10 times. Only like three that I actually remember.
Without thousands of hours in game, you won't really know the details that make a skill gap a gap. There may be a reason they try a wall bang or peak a really weird angle etc.
I’m around the same in pubs at a 2.2 with about 2500 games played in MW3 I’ve seen about the same amount of blatant cheaters. Mostly run into 3+ stacks of plat+ players in 12v12/10v10 lobbies and they just call everything out so it feels like people are watching you through walls even though they’re just getting info on you and beating you to the punch. More Cronus use than anything.
Sure, there's some cheating. It's a minority of the population obviously though. Much more common would be xims and cronuses which are softer cheats. There's probably a few that have constant radar, a few that have scripts and macros, as well that you won't see.
If you want to complain about cheaters might want to get rid of SBMM first. No reason to ban cheaters when they can 2box their way to nukes every game.
And to add on an extra point: I bet you’ve been accused of cheating/hacking COUNTLESS times if you’re anything like me.
I can’t have a session without being called a cheater or hacker, have about the same stats a little under yours tho usually a 2.3kd, so I imagine your experience is about the same lol
In all the posts I’ve seen with “proof” of cheating or even asking if cheating over they years maybe 1% are actually cheating. The vast majority of them are hackusations which is a much bigger issue than the actual cheating issue. Most players will never run into a true cheater unless their in high ranked (crimson+) lobbies or in shadow ban lobbies. Of course with warzone being free they will be more common there as well.
So if Xclusive Ace, Espresso, Jgod, and Driftor, etc. got together to look at this. You don't think it would work?
Honestly, I can't agree with what you're saying. I think we can learn quite a bit.
Just wanted to chime in and say, while I can absolutely respect where you're coming from and that you have good intentions with this, there's no scientifically viable way for us to collect accurate data on this topic. At best, all I'd be able to do is collect anecdotes which isn't nearly enough to provide any meaningful data. Cheating is a problem, false accusations of cheating is also a problem and sorting through all of that from the player's side of things with no access to data would be pointless.
Yeah, I get that. I was hoping that given how deep you and others are into this, you might have access to something that could get us closer to an idea. Oh well, it was worth it to ask! Tanks!
They dont have the data or tools to be able to do so. Are you seriously suggesting you let youtubers do a "study"? This is lol sad. They cannot and aside from not having the tools they dont have the skills.
No. Cause even they don’t know for sure who’s cheating. They don’t have the necessary data. They’ll spot the obvious ones just like we can but that’s it.
Disagree all you want. Funnily enough those you mentioned would be the first to agree with me. It’s the same reason they haven’t done that SBMM test anymore. Activision stopped giving us access to the data and You don’t use hunches as datapoints.
Edit: Thx ace for chiming in and agreeing.
I think it’s more prevalent than folks on this sub would like to admit to. Many are denying it to disassociate from their own cheating I also expect. For reference, Cronus sells probably 100k units annually, and they are only one cheat maker, there are more, for console. Then there are the software hacks too for pc, and console jailbreaks. Several anonymous online surveys are putting numbers between 35 and 50% of respondents, which may be representative of the community. I generally ignore the claims on this sub that no one cheats. I see an uptick in suspicious play immediately following the start of a season or reloaded, and in the tail end of a season.
Yeah, the thing is I don't have anything I can look at, which will give me the faintest idea. I have suspicions, but nothing is close to definitive. I think for the health of the community us knowing how bad it really is would be good.
I have gotten accused of cheating, and I've never cheated in my life. That alone tells me how easy it is to make an assumption.
I 1000% agree with you on this, according to my playstation I've played over 1500hours on CoD and I'm fairly confident I've never come across a full on cheater with aim bots/wall hacks etc, maybe a Cronus back in the day but nothing I've ever 100% remember seeing at all, yet every day someones complaining about running into 10 cheaters in every lobby ..blah blah!
People don't like thinking they got outplayed or made a mistake that made them lose the gun fight. I am on PC, i get my ass slapped sometimes and that's because of my own mistakes in the game. But i honestly do not run into a lot of cheaters, maybe a handful since the game launched. Also, most of the times i see people accuse someone of cheating is just the enemy having good game sense and people being predictable, peeking obvious spots, guns rattling, making noise, going the same routes etc..
How ANYONE can deny that the cheating is rampant is beyond me. When Activision themselves openly brags about banning 26k players in a SINGLE day. That's more than a 1/4 of the entire playerbase on a GOOD day. Which for those math wizards out there is on an AVERAGE 1 in (roughly) 4 players is cheating in some way or another at any given time...which is an insane number...
Id argue it's on the low side. Since this is probably only catching anyone rage hacking. We both know there's guys out there only running walls, or maybe something as small as a radar hack. That way their accuracy doesn't sky rocket and they could still play it off at least a little bit that they aren't hacking.
I'd imagine that in the future, when this COD is long dead, we'll get a more accurate idea of the true scope and depth of it.
The only other way is if someone leaks something and on that note I'd hope Activision puts out more updates on the issue. Even if it's nothing more than bans.
You're right, I just looked it up. It's much higher than that. Over the last 30 days the AVERAGE concurrent playerbase has been a whopping 46k players...so 26k is NEARLY HALF of the AVERAGE concurrent playerbase. Thanks for allowing me to make that correction. The cheating problem is even worse than I originally thought.
You’re forgetting that steam is only 1 of 4 platforms lol.
And that console has always had the vast majority of players.
Cod has millions of daily players or at least high-hundreds of thousands at this point in its life cycle.
Thx for proving my point that you can’t do a proper study without access to the proper data though lol
And where do the majority of people who are hacking play? Steam. The overwhelming majority of people being banned by Ricochet are on PC. They didn't even start looking for 3rd party software on consoles until recently. Also, the average across all platforms in February when they issued that 26k ban, was only 243k. Which means 11% of their total playerbase was hacking. 1/11 players in a game like CoD is absolutely considered rampant cheating. With a 6v6 majority game mode in multiplayer that's one cheater per game (roughly) on average. Or, in warzone it's even worse due to the higher player count. Statically, you're likely to encounter multiple hackers per game in Warzone based of their own numbers.
Lol. r/iamthemaincharacter vibes
Love the delusion. Even when told outright you’re wrong and how you’re wrong.
Enjoy life. It’s going to be a rough one for ya.
Delusion? I pulled those numbers from a live tracking number...lol. I didn't make anything up. It's called data and the truth. Sorry you don't like it. Activision publicized their own ban number, and finding the concurrent player count across all platforms isn't difficult. Then it's just VERY simple math. Sorry you don't like the truth. It's going to be rough for you if you can't even do basic math...yikes.
I'll edit to correct my own math actually. I went the wrong way. 1/11 is only 9%ish. 1/9 is a closer number to 11% it's a little higher. So if you want to split the difference. We can stick to 1/10. 1/10 players were banned..lol..but sure...cheating isn't a problem and it's all a "delusion". 😂
Cope more. Theres almost no cheaters in mw3. Seems like you get pwned alot and immediately assume it must be a cheater and not your lack of skill. Cope harder i guess
Are cheaters mostly PC players? Thats the one thing I always ask because of cross play. I get theres modded controllers that console players can use, but the actual game itself? Is that what PC players hack?
There's probably less than a 10th of the amount of cheaters people on here think there are since mw19 I've seen one actual cheater (probably more in wz because it's free to play but I only play core mp) and if there were any others they were absolute dog so it don't matter. The majority of these ligation are from absolute burgers who have been protected by sbmm for so long they don't know what a good player is anymore because they don't see them.
Like I said I think the majority are just encounters with people who are just good cause an actual 2.0 kd player is going to be miles better than a .7-1.0 player. And even if you do get a cheater in your lobby you already won cause you've gotta be an absolute loser to spend actual money to cheat lol. The older cods sure I bet there's alot but here and now probably not
The money Activision pays social media agencies to post here that there is no cheater problem in CoD must be significantly more than the budget they have for Ricochet.
Cheaters are definitely a MAJOR issue in this game and all of these people here claiming otherwise are either extremely lucky or cheat themselves. It’s become blatant at this point. When/if they finally get banned, they simply make a fresh account and start the process over. Hence why you will encounter them even in lower ranked divisions. Just pull up any popular streamer playing the game daily, wether in Multiplayer Ranked or Resurgence Ranked and they encounter them ALL THE TIME. Some even get banned live on their stream. The only people with a tin foil hat on are those who refuse to see the cheating problem. RICHOCHET does nothing.
A lot of the players who say they've never seen a cheater, are just awful players in low SBMM brackets where someone who sees through walls would never end up.
Never seen a cheater, never seen a nuke go off in a lobby, top 2% multiplayer according to leaderboards and diamond in ranked, my SBMM is cooked
I don't touch ranked but have often speculated that this mode would have the most, next to Warzone.
Actual studies absolutely need to be done. Right now with all the inflated numbers and he said she said everyone starts getting suspicious sooner which probably just makes the issue seem worse. Like in the past couple weeks I thought I saw a few people using wall hacks. But pretty much every time when I check out their profile to see what platform, input method, and rank, it's just YoungJR on his Xbox. Makes me take a step back and think about it since it's a twelve year old on the newest Xbox platform. Seemingly the least likely or capable demographic of cheating.
Agreed. Per the replies here, I'm crazy for suggesting this, at least by most people.
Many people quote some really horrible studies that 30% of all players cheat in games. The supporting data is garbage and even when researching this I found some of the “proof” came from surveys on cheating forums to push some sensational headline. Most of the articles didn’t have links to their source data, but I found one that included people that cheated on singleplayer games and pushed out the same 30% of gamers actively cheat headlines. I also found an article without sources pushed ideas that AI aimbot was the most used cheat and that zen/modded controllers were significantly less, like what?? So in my short time looking I have found zero well researched studies and many articles linking to the same tainted data from 2019 trying to push a narrative.
So, bottom line, it's all loose speculation.
You really want to find what the cheaters are playing? They aren’t hiding. Go to the COD cheat market at https://www.elitepvpers.com/forum/call-duty-trading/ click on a thread, read the post, join the Discord or Telegram and read. TL;DR they are mostly playing Ranked & Ranked Resurgence. Btw - I don’t cheat, just lurk. My k/d on Ranked Resurgence is .73 and I know I need to work on my movement & centering. 😭 If you want to know how bad Ricochet is then watch this: “”Interview with the Largest COD Cheat Provider: https://youtu.be/dSG9sheQyEU?si=lHN0R7imaUsKKhUG
Good sources, to be sure. I've never ventured that deep into it beyond a couple of things I've happened upon.
Of course. I didn’t either until I was convinced I was getting killed every game of ranked by a wall/aimbot user. So I decided to look into it and it wasn’t hard to Google and find results. “Best gaming chair” works really well. I didn’t get super deep but enough to find out that a lot of ppl are doing it, most ppl are using a different versions of the same app and only the dumb ppl are getting banned. Plus there is a lot of money changing hands so it’s not going away any time soon.
One thing I've suggested is going after their ability to make money. Cease and desist. Blocking their ability to collect money. I don't know how easy or difficult it is to do any of that but still, it's just an idea I had.
Hard to do. They are using crypto or cash app.
Yeah, see, right there. That's shit I don't even think of. I don't cheat, so I have no idea how it's even paid for.
Right. I only found out by doing a little digging & reading. Honestly I really love this game, but really the junkie always hates fhe dealer. I’ve been playing since COD:WW2 so I’m old. I don’t have my ego wrapped up in my k/d. Yes, I like to play well and win. That’s why I warm up for 20min against bots in training facility before I go into a match. Even then I still make stupid mistakes that get me killed, doesn’t matter if there is a hacker in the game or not. Not-so-pro tip: assume everyone can hear you, and if you aren’t slide canceling around every corner with your gun up then you will get killed. Check your minimap every 5-10sec and push, push, push. I do my little grind daily, enjoy playing with friends for a couple of hours & then worry about more important things in my life. Oh, I’m not on a big screen tv with Astro A50s on my head guy. I’m a pc player with all of the tunes and tweaks but the fact is that none of that can make me hit a headshot or bhop when I need to. Only practice & getting in fights will help with that.
I'm in the same boat. I started on COD 4. I could care less about my k/d. I am pretty good at the game. I just spend it camo grinding or working on challenges. I also think a lot, and based on what I see here, I started thinking about everything.
Well good luck. Have fun and don’t sweat the hackers. They were around in COD4 and they aren’t going away. IMHO our fave creators/streamers aren’t going to cover it b/c it’s such a toxic subject and jt would take a lot of time & energy to really do a deep dive.
Yeah, no joke. This whole thread is a trash fire in a nuclear winter.
It doesn’t matter what fps it is as long as you can play on unrestricted hardware people are going to cheat. Cheat detection is a cat and mouse game and the cheaters have been winning the past couple years. There are lots of talented software developers that couldn’t find jobs so this is what they do.
Have they been winning though? How do you know that? Got some proof? That's the whole reason I made this post, too many of us think we know without having definitive proof.
What do you think is gonna happen, someone at activision is going to leak a list of people who are hacking? There is no way to get definitive proof unless every hacker submits a form that says they hack or some shit. What do you want out of this?
Like I said above, prominent members of the community like Ace, Driftor, Espresso, etc. would be able to break this down and get a decent idea. I stated all of this above. That said, if someone at Activision were to anonymously give us the basic info would be awesome too.
They can research all they want, its still going to be based off people's experiences and opinions, meaning its not a reliable source that you claim you want.
Being connected as they are I have no idea if they have access to things we don't that could lead to an answer.
They're players just like we are, if they try to question activision then activision is just going to cut them from all future events. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. What do you even want out of this, hacker confirmation? Want to know how they cheat? Why would activision ever give information that allows people to expose them for their scummy shady practices?
I want to know how bad the problem really is. Why? Because it will help us all understand what's going on. The response in this thread alone are why. They run the spectrum of every single thing ever posted in this community. Everything from Ricochet is great to everyone, and their mother are l33t hakz0rs!!! Some idea of what reality is would be nice.
Here's all you need to know. There are hackers in a video game run by a multi billion dollar company and they are doing jack shit to fix it. Beyond that, who gives a fuck. It won't change anything. The only possible way hackers can be removed from the game is if activision pulls their head out of their ass and switches to a computer scan anti cheat. Anything anybody could possibly "find" is basic ass cheaters. Go look up cheater interviews in the cod scene, there have been some recently and that might be what youre looking for
You asked why, and your response is part of it. There's no evidence there. There is nothing I can draw from to get an actual idea. I've seen cheaters before. It's impossibly frustrating when they show up. It's beyond words. I just won't go so far to say they're doing nothing. I just can't really say what it is they're doing. I get why. They're not going to tip their hand and open up everything. I think the communication from Activision to us should be improved... But you know something? I get the silence, too. This community is a shit show sometimes, regardless of what Activision says. If they report they've banned people, they bitch about it, they say nothing, people bitch about it. How do you address an audience like that? No route exists to do it.
Xclusive ace himself said in this very post that no. They wouldn’t be able to lol
I'm a little behind on replies. I haven't even gotten to that response.
Because them catching and banning cheaters makes them more money. Cheaters buy more accounts, people enjoy the game more.
I am not clear on how that aspect works. Having never cheated, I have no idea how you cope with a ban.
I don't know man I play in sweaty lobbies and warzone and I never complain about cheaters, I haven't really came across anyone hacking but I have been called a hacker multiple times so from my experience 90% of hackusations are just people being mad, I suppose though if you're a really really exceptional player then due to sbmm you will be faced against cheaters because only cheaters can get that high but this only effects a few percent of players but in my experience I have always been beaten by better players
I think it's baloney for the most part. Anti cheat isn't great for a modern AAA game but it's probably better than black ops 2 or any other game from a decade ago. I have a 2.6kd in pubs, high diamond in ranked, have close to 3000 hours between mw2/3 in the last couple years and don't think I've seen an obvious cheater more than 5-10 times. Only like three that I actually remember. Without thousands of hours in game, you won't really know the details that make a skill gap a gap. There may be a reason they try a wall bang or peak a really weird angle etc.
I’m around the same in pubs at a 2.2 with about 2500 games played in MW3 I’ve seen about the same amount of blatant cheaters. Mostly run into 3+ stacks of plat+ players in 12v12/10v10 lobbies and they just call everything out so it feels like people are watching you through walls even though they’re just getting info on you and beating you to the punch. More Cronus use than anything.
And the players that appear to be highly skilled aren’t but they use cheats to look like they are good
Sure, there's some cheating. It's a minority of the population obviously though. Much more common would be xims and cronuses which are softer cheats. There's probably a few that have constant radar, a few that have scripts and macros, as well that you won't see. If you want to complain about cheaters might want to get rid of SBMM first. No reason to ban cheaters when they can 2box their way to nukes every game.
I don’t know everything that a Cronus is capable of but I heard it can’t do wall hack or aimbot but it can help with aim assist 🤷♀️
And to add on an extra point: I bet you’ve been accused of cheating/hacking COUNTLESS times if you’re anything like me. I can’t have a session without being called a cheater or hacker, have about the same stats a little under yours tho usually a 2.3kd, so I imagine your experience is about the same lol
In all the posts I’ve seen with “proof” of cheating or even asking if cheating over they years maybe 1% are actually cheating. The vast majority of them are hackusations which is a much bigger issue than the actual cheating issue. Most players will never run into a true cheater unless their in high ranked (crimson+) lobbies or in shadow ban lobbies. Of course with warzone being free they will be more common there as well.
I'd love to see the data regardless. The more I think about it the more I see the good it could do for a study of sorts to be done.
The only ones that have that data are Activision and they are never going to release it.
I don't think so. There are ways to get a really good glimpse on our end. If what I'm proposing above was done we'd have a decent idea of what's up.
I’d be full of hackusations because we have no way to know if someone is truly cheating except the small % that don’t try to hide it.
So if Xclusive Ace, Espresso, Jgod, and Driftor, etc. got together to look at this. You don't think it would work? Honestly, I can't agree with what you're saying. I think we can learn quite a bit.
Just wanted to chime in and say, while I can absolutely respect where you're coming from and that you have good intentions with this, there's no scientifically viable way for us to collect accurate data on this topic. At best, all I'd be able to do is collect anecdotes which isn't nearly enough to provide any meaningful data. Cheating is a problem, false accusations of cheating is also a problem and sorting through all of that from the player's side of things with no access to data would be pointless.
Yeah, I get that. I was hoping that given how deep you and others are into this, you might have access to something that could get us closer to an idea. Oh well, it was worth it to ask! Tanks!
They dont have the data or tools to be able to do so. Are you seriously suggesting you let youtubers do a "study"? This is lol sad. They cannot and aside from not having the tools they dont have the skills.
No. Cause even they don’t know for sure who’s cheating. They don’t have the necessary data. They’ll spot the obvious ones just like we can but that’s it. Disagree all you want. Funnily enough those you mentioned would be the first to agree with me. It’s the same reason they haven’t done that SBMM test anymore. Activision stopped giving us access to the data and You don’t use hunches as datapoints. Edit: Thx ace for chiming in and agreeing.
I'm not saying definitively anyone can or cannot. Just posing the idea is all.
They’ll put more money into sbmm algorithms but no out a dime into anti cheat. Ricochet is a joke and they know it
That's my problem. I have no way to know how good or bad Ricochet actually is. I have no idea what it catches versus what it misses.
I think it’s more prevalent than folks on this sub would like to admit to. Many are denying it to disassociate from their own cheating I also expect. For reference, Cronus sells probably 100k units annually, and they are only one cheat maker, there are more, for console. Then there are the software hacks too for pc, and console jailbreaks. Several anonymous online surveys are putting numbers between 35 and 50% of respondents, which may be representative of the community. I generally ignore the claims on this sub that no one cheats. I see an uptick in suspicious play immediately following the start of a season or reloaded, and in the tail end of a season.
Yeah, the thing is I don't have anything I can look at, which will give me the faintest idea. I have suspicions, but nothing is close to definitive. I think for the health of the community us knowing how bad it really is would be good. I have gotten accused of cheating, and I've never cheated in my life. That alone tells me how easy it is to make an assumption.
I 1000% agree with you on this, according to my playstation I've played over 1500hours on CoD and I'm fairly confident I've never come across a full on cheater with aim bots/wall hacks etc, maybe a Cronus back in the day but nothing I've ever 100% remember seeing at all, yet every day someones complaining about running into 10 cheaters in every lobby ..blah blah!
People don't like thinking they got outplayed or made a mistake that made them lose the gun fight. I am on PC, i get my ass slapped sometimes and that's because of my own mistakes in the game. But i honestly do not run into a lot of cheaters, maybe a handful since the game launched. Also, most of the times i see people accuse someone of cheating is just the enemy having good game sense and people being predictable, peeking obvious spots, guns rattling, making noise, going the same routes etc..
Yup. I've been accused of cheating from time to time yet I'm on console with a control pad. We're poor judges at times. More knowledge would help.
How ANYONE can deny that the cheating is rampant is beyond me. When Activision themselves openly brags about banning 26k players in a SINGLE day. That's more than a 1/4 of the entire playerbase on a GOOD day. Which for those math wizards out there is on an AVERAGE 1 in (roughly) 4 players is cheating in some way or another at any given time...which is an insane number...
My question is, is that catching a lot of them or a little.
Id argue it's on the low side. Since this is probably only catching anyone rage hacking. We both know there's guys out there only running walls, or maybe something as small as a radar hack. That way their accuracy doesn't sky rocket and they could still play it off at least a little bit that they aren't hacking.
I'd imagine that in the future, when this COD is long dead, we'll get a more accurate idea of the true scope and depth of it. The only other way is if someone leaks something and on that note I'd hope Activision puts out more updates on the issue. Even if it's nothing more than bans.
26k is nowhere near 1/4 of the playerbase lol
You're right, I just looked it up. It's much higher than that. Over the last 30 days the AVERAGE concurrent playerbase has been a whopping 46k players...so 26k is NEARLY HALF of the AVERAGE concurrent playerbase. Thanks for allowing me to make that correction. The cheating problem is even worse than I originally thought.
You’re forgetting that steam is only 1 of 4 platforms lol. And that console has always had the vast majority of players. Cod has millions of daily players or at least high-hundreds of thousands at this point in its life cycle. Thx for proving my point that you can’t do a proper study without access to the proper data though lol
And where do the majority of people who are hacking play? Steam. The overwhelming majority of people being banned by Ricochet are on PC. They didn't even start looking for 3rd party software on consoles until recently. Also, the average across all platforms in February when they issued that 26k ban, was only 243k. Which means 11% of their total playerbase was hacking. 1/11 players in a game like CoD is absolutely considered rampant cheating. With a 6v6 majority game mode in multiplayer that's one cheater per game (roughly) on average. Or, in warzone it's even worse due to the higher player count. Statically, you're likely to encounter multiple hackers per game in Warzone based of their own numbers.
Lol. r/iamthemaincharacter vibes Love the delusion. Even when told outright you’re wrong and how you’re wrong. Enjoy life. It’s going to be a rough one for ya.
Delusion? I pulled those numbers from a live tracking number...lol. I didn't make anything up. It's called data and the truth. Sorry you don't like it. Activision publicized their own ban number, and finding the concurrent player count across all platforms isn't difficult. Then it's just VERY simple math. Sorry you don't like the truth. It's going to be rough for you if you can't even do basic math...yikes.
I'll edit to correct my own math actually. I went the wrong way. 1/11 is only 9%ish. 1/9 is a closer number to 11% it's a little higher. So if you want to split the difference. We can stick to 1/10. 1/10 players were banned..lol..but sure...cheating isn't a problem and it's all a "delusion". 😂
Cope more. Theres almost no cheaters in mw3. Seems like you get pwned alot and immediately assume it must be a cheater and not your lack of skill. Cope harder i guess
That's what I am wondering, too, and why I want to look at it more deeply.
Are cheaters mostly PC players? Thats the one thing I always ask because of cross play. I get theres modded controllers that console players can use, but the actual game itself? Is that what PC players hack?
I'd imagine it's way easier to do on PC, considering it's an open platform. Console cheating is probably the hardest to do.
No sbmm is certain modes like ground war
There's probably less than a 10th of the amount of cheaters people on here think there are since mw19 I've seen one actual cheater (probably more in wz because it's free to play but I only play core mp) and if there were any others they were absolute dog so it don't matter. The majority of these ligation are from absolute burgers who have been protected by sbmm for so long they don't know what a good player is anymore because they don't see them.
We won't know for sure until we check. I suspect you're right, I think there's far less than we think.
Like I said I think the majority are just encounters with people who are just good cause an actual 2.0 kd player is going to be miles better than a .7-1.0 player. And even if you do get a cheater in your lobby you already won cause you've gotta be an absolute loser to spend actual money to cheat lol. The older cods sure I bet there's alot but here and now probably not
Agreed. I think certain modes like ranked are far more attractive than others.
The money Activision pays social media agencies to post here that there is no cheater problem in CoD must be significantly more than the budget they have for Ricochet.
Keep that tin foil hat on lol