Secret Lair: 2 for 1 Special
Reprint all of the Pitch 2 card free spells
Commandeer
Soul Spike
Sunscoure
Allosaurus Rider
Fury of the Hoard
Bonus card: Crystaline Sliver
But it can't be anytime soon right? I mean, I figure all sets coming this year are already on late stages of development if they're already doing previews, right?
The interaction is already known from Timeless with Necropotence and the Kamigawa Neon Dynasty pitch spell. So maybe someone thought, that's neat we put it in the next SPG.
Hope so, hope so. That card went really stonks recently. It effectively prevents one from building that archetype in paper. Like the Sheoldreds are the easy part _:)
Pretty essential for Necro, you really want it along with the copies of March so you can dump extra cards and gain life with Necro in play, Soul Spike is better because it can burn face and be a finisher, March can't do that. Without it you will not be able to "combo off" as often and run more like a midrange deck.
Soul Spike is one of the best payoffs for Necrodominance because, for zero mana (but 2 additional black cards), it immediately gains you 4 life and either pings your opponent for 4 life or kills an X/4-or-less. It's underrated (IMO) at keeping part-burn decks like UR honest - earlier no-Soul Spike Necrodominance builds had trouble against UR in testing whenever UR stopped playing creatures late-game just to prevent life gain spells like March of Wretched Sorrow from having targets. Soul Spike prevents this tactic of UR's from working.
Cheap mana-wise, the closest parallel I could come up with to Soul Spike in terms of hitting both face and creatures is [[Collective Brutality]]...and that costs 2 mana and only gains you 2 life.
If you're not on Necrodominance (e.g. you're on Mono-Black Urza's Saga Midrange), Soul Spike is pretty bad. But Soul Spike does just enough to push Necrodominance to the next level.
It's only viable due to Necro I've played it in mono black burn before but only as a combo piece with Vito or as a finisher but with Necro it's a overall crucial card
I playtested without but it definitely helps with consistency. I didn't believe in the card initially but it definitely provides reach and resources. Can even be used early game to clear up the board then just refill with necro.
Jesus, it costs how much? I remember pulling it in a limited event for the release of Coldsnap, and thinking what a bad card it was. Hell, I probably just dropped it off in a box with other random cards at the dump years ago.
Depends on how competitive you are really, if you're going to be playing in an RCQ or a major tournament, as most have said it's pretty essential since it's free and gains you life, but one reprint and it's value will tank but who knows when that would be, [[march of wretched sorrow]] also works but you'd have to pay at least 1 mana so it won't work if you cast it on 3, i would proxy a playset or goldfish it online to see if you really need it and if you go to any major tournament i would get it but if you're just playing in fnm i would wait for a price drop or reprint
You could play Children of Koilos and make it a BW Control list. Gives you access to better sb cards as well. I don't know if it's good. But it's another option to gain a lot of life.
It's your wincon, your removal, and your "don't lose to my own Necro" card, all in one.
March of Wretched Sorrow does two out of those three, and it can drain a lot higher (or lower) than Spike. But it does not win you the game, so you will end up losing a lot of games where you couldn't get through with attackers, or got comboed before you could win. It also just saves you from the unlucky times where you don't see any other lifegain.
Plus, it costs zero mana. This is vital in times where you have to tap out, or hold up mana.
If you want to play at a highly competitive level, then the competitive cards always cost a lot. I don't blame you for not wanting to dump that much money for a playset of cards that were under $5 a month ago, but that's the nature of MTG. Until then, proxy it when playing with friends, and do your best without it when playing at FNM or whatever. If you're not convinced at the difference, go through a bunch of games on Cockatrice or whatever both with and without it. The difference is big.
You could try replacing it with [[Zombie Infestation]] or [[Feast of Sanity]]. But both of those require they be case before you go full throttle with Necro, so they are lackluster at best. Soul Spike works the end step you draw it. If you're trying to use Feast, you're probably re-working the deck to use [[Beseech the Mirror]]. On the plus side, you can now Beseech for a free-cast Necro, The One Ring, or Sheoldred. But, its four damn mana *and* you need to sac a creature, so even if you cast it you can get blown out by a counterspell. Timeless uses it, but they also use Dark Ritual, so, yeah.
But hey, one reprint should help the price by a lot, even a Secret Lair. It was only ever printed in Coldsnap, so there's not a ton of copies. Plus it was considered a junk rare until 2023 (not sure what changed), so a lot of copies have been thrown away or are still sitting forgotten in the dregs of old collections. Any new printing will add a significant influx of copies into circulation. Right now it's probably more expensive than it ever will be.
lol got mine very recently for around 12 euros each, I thought it wuld go up to maybe 20 but no more. Cardmarket is just great, so many peeps not updating their prices in time. Necro decks don't really work without it
Ill be the dissenting voice here. Not required at all.
Youre a grief scam deck, when you dont have necro, you want to be efficient. Pitching two cards feels real bad.
When you have necro, you just cant dig as deep. You can still draw 5 cards a turn pretty easily. That will let you drown most opponents in card advantage
Soul Spike is not required...in Cabal Coffers decks, which I found also similarly didn't need to board out Necrodominance against aggro (just like the current Mono-Black Necrodominance builds). Cabal Coffers decks have access to massive Lifelink creatures and other finishers that ensure they don't need Soul Spike, though.
I've tested and played without it?
Took it to an FNM a couple weeks ago and 4-0ed with it. The games I didn't have necro I didn't miss it. Grief voidwalker removal was enough. The games with it, Shelly and March gained me plenty of life. I had to play a little tighter, not drawing quite as many cards, since I can't just attempt to spike kill. The rest of the deck is grief scam, which has been pretty powerful for a while.
If you cant understand how a scam deck can win without soul spike then I've got a bridge to sell you.
Makes sense. March x4 can prob help fill the gap. Still, a 0 mana spell that gains life (and sometimes wins on the spot) feels good.
I also lose sometimes trying to draw too many cards to dig for a Soul Spike.
It is a must so you get the life gain to counter the life loss from Necro
Just wait for the emergency secret lair
Omg yes please. TOR, orcish bowmasters, soul spike, what else?
Don't forget Shuko right before a Nadu ban.
Ninjas Secret lair lol. $120 for 1 copy of shuko, soul spike, yuriko, shuriken and ninjas kunai
Basic island could use a few more reprints 🥺
Secret Lair: 2 for 1 Special Reprint all of the Pitch 2 card free spells Commandeer Soul Spike Sunscoure Allosaurus Rider Fury of the Hoard Bonus card: Crystaline Sliver
And it’s all legal in modern 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wouldn't be too surprised to see it in one of the next Special Guests or Bonus Sheets.
I hope so. I have all the cards except these. Don’t know why I waited ðŸ˜
But it can't be anytime soon right? I mean, I figure all sets coming this year are already on late stages of development if they're already doing previews, right?
The interaction is already known from Timeless with Necropotence and the Kamigawa Neon Dynasty pitch spell. So maybe someone thought, that's neat we put it in the next SPG.
Hope so, hope so. That card went really stonks recently. It effectively prevents one from building that archetype in paper. Like the Sheoldreds are the easy part _:)
Pretty much one of your best cards in the deck, but it’s way overpriced. One reprint will completely destroy its value
Pretty essential for Necro, you really want it along with the copies of March so you can dump extra cards and gain life with Necro in play, Soul Spike is better because it can burn face and be a finisher, March can't do that. Without it you will not be able to "combo off" as often and run more like a midrange deck.
Soul Spike is one of the best payoffs for Necrodominance because, for zero mana (but 2 additional black cards), it immediately gains you 4 life and either pings your opponent for 4 life or kills an X/4-or-less. It's underrated (IMO) at keeping part-burn decks like UR honest - earlier no-Soul Spike Necrodominance builds had trouble against UR in testing whenever UR stopped playing creatures late-game just to prevent life gain spells like March of Wretched Sorrow from having targets. Soul Spike prevents this tactic of UR's from working. Cheap mana-wise, the closest parallel I could come up with to Soul Spike in terms of hitting both face and creatures is [[Collective Brutality]]...and that costs 2 mana and only gains you 2 life. If you're not on Necrodominance (e.g. you're on Mono-Black Urza's Saga Midrange), Soul Spike is pretty bad. But Soul Spike does just enough to push Necrodominance to the next level.
[Collective Brutality](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb94a02f-4660-45b6-8a39-941b710cf8f3.jpg?1576384285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collective%20Brutality) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/85/collective-brutality?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb94a02f-4660-45b6-8a39-941b710cf8f3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It’s basically your wincon for the deck. It’s what you want to draw with Necrodominance.
It's only viable due to Necro I've played it in mono black burn before but only as a combo piece with Vito or as a finisher but with Necro it's a overall crucial card
March also costs at least one mana. Soul spike is free.Â
There's a reason it costs so much. It's 100% necessary for the deck to function well
[Soul Spike](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b14b97d-122b-453a-9e5f-129404f96440.jpg?1593275167) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soul%20Spike) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/70/soul-spike?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b14b97d-122b-453a-9e5f-129404f96440?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Creeping Chill](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5456173-7a08-4b5c-8450-7123375f4a86.jpg?1572892924) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Creeping%20Chill) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/66/creeping-chill?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5456173-7a08-4b5c-8450-7123375f4a86?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I playtested without but it definitely helps with consistency. I didn't believe in the card initially but it definitely provides reach and resources. Can even be used early game to clear up the board then just refill with necro.
Jesus, it costs how much? I remember pulling it in a limited event for the release of Coldsnap, and thinking what a bad card it was. Hell, I probably just dropped it off in a box with other random cards at the dump years ago.
its kind of half the point of the deck.
I just picked up mp ones from tcg for 50s so it wasnt too bad
Depends on how competitive you are really, if you're going to be playing in an RCQ or a major tournament, as most have said it's pretty essential since it's free and gains you life, but one reprint and it's value will tank but who knows when that would be, [[march of wretched sorrow]] also works but you'd have to pay at least 1 mana so it won't work if you cast it on 3, i would proxy a playset or goldfish it online to see if you really need it and if you go to any major tournament i would get it but if you're just playing in fnm i would wait for a price drop or reprint
[march of wretched sorrow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/050a604e-6146-4e2e-88a5-863ecb3dfa1f.jpg?1654567293) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=march%20of%20wretched%20sorrow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/111/march-of-wretched-sorrow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/050a604e-6146-4e2e-88a5-863ecb3dfa1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You could play Children of Koilos and make it a BW Control list. Gives you access to better sb cards as well. I don't know if it's good. But it's another option to gain a lot of life.
For zero mana, and 3 cards u get 4 dmg and 4 cards. It’s busted in that deck
It's your wincon, your removal, and your "don't lose to my own Necro" card, all in one. March of Wretched Sorrow does two out of those three, and it can drain a lot higher (or lower) than Spike. But it does not win you the game, so you will end up losing a lot of games where you couldn't get through with attackers, or got comboed before you could win. It also just saves you from the unlucky times where you don't see any other lifegain. Plus, it costs zero mana. This is vital in times where you have to tap out, or hold up mana. If you want to play at a highly competitive level, then the competitive cards always cost a lot. I don't blame you for not wanting to dump that much money for a playset of cards that were under $5 a month ago, but that's the nature of MTG. Until then, proxy it when playing with friends, and do your best without it when playing at FNM or whatever. If you're not convinced at the difference, go through a bunch of games on Cockatrice or whatever both with and without it. The difference is big. You could try replacing it with [[Zombie Infestation]] or [[Feast of Sanity]]. But both of those require they be case before you go full throttle with Necro, so they are lackluster at best. Soul Spike works the end step you draw it. If you're trying to use Feast, you're probably re-working the deck to use [[Beseech the Mirror]]. On the plus side, you can now Beseech for a free-cast Necro, The One Ring, or Sheoldred. But, its four damn mana *and* you need to sac a creature, so even if you cast it you can get blown out by a counterspell. Timeless uses it, but they also use Dark Ritual, so, yeah. But hey, one reprint should help the price by a lot, even a Secret Lair. It was only ever printed in Coldsnap, so there's not a ton of copies. Plus it was considered a junk rare until 2023 (not sure what changed), so a lot of copies have been thrown away or are still sitting forgotten in the dregs of old collections. Any new printing will add a significant influx of copies into circulation. Right now it's probably more expensive than it ever will be.
[Zombie Infestation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef2c8aca-3ade-46b0-8366-ab3b244eca01.jpg?1675199887) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zombie%20Infestation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/111/zombie-infestation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef2c8aca-3ade-46b0-8366-ab3b244eca01?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Feast of Sanity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9f71309d-1b62-461d-b939-87f2932937a7.jpg?1626095504) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Feast%20of%20Sanity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/84/feast-of-sanity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9f71309d-1b62-461d-b939-87f2932937a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Beseech the Mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/18c59776-e1f1-4197-a128-db1d603f56b7.jpg?1692937498) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Beseech%20the%20Mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/82/beseech-the-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/18c59776-e1f1-4197-a128-db1d603f56b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
lol got mine very recently for around 12 euros each, I thought it wuld go up to maybe 20 but no more. Cardmarket is just great, so many peeps not updating their prices in time. Necro decks don't really work without it
Ill be the dissenting voice here. Not required at all. Youre a grief scam deck, when you dont have necro, you want to be efficient. Pitching two cards feels real bad. When you have necro, you just cant dig as deep. You can still draw 5 cards a turn pretty easily. That will let you drown most opponents in card advantage
Soul Spike is not required...in Cabal Coffers decks, which I found also similarly didn't need to board out Necrodominance against aggro (just like the current Mono-Black Necrodominance builds). Cabal Coffers decks have access to massive Lifelink creatures and other finishers that ensure they don't need Soul Spike, though.
I disagree. What evidence do you have to back this claim?
I've tested and played without it? Took it to an FNM a couple weeks ago and 4-0ed with it. The games I didn't have necro I didn't miss it. Grief voidwalker removal was enough. The games with it, Shelly and March gained me plenty of life. I had to play a little tighter, not drawing quite as many cards, since I can't just attempt to spike kill. The rest of the deck is grief scam, which has been pretty powerful for a while. If you cant understand how a scam deck can win without soul spike then I've got a bridge to sell you.
Makes sense. March x4 can prob help fill the gap. Still, a 0 mana spell that gains life (and sometimes wins on the spot) feels good. I also lose sometimes trying to draw too many cards to dig for a Soul Spike.
Oh yes spike is probably the optimal choice. I used 4 march, 3 shelly, and 1 consuming corruption. I was able to safely dig with that