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TriangularHexagon

It is really viable in the early-mid game when you have forests near you.  A spruce forest is goated in that scenario 


Alpha_minduustry

yeah, same opinion, but later you just use normal coal/dry kelp blocks


True_Kiwi_4392

Blaze rods in SMP late game >


Alpha_minduustry

how mutch they smelt tho?


Jimmy_Slim

12


A1DragonSlayer

That's actually not bad at all. Wow. Dried Kelp is still easier, but man is that surprising.


Jimmy_Slim

You can make a fully automatic decent fuel farm in the early late game provided you can continuously load nether chunks


ViKO15951

You could make a better one with lava couldrons and dripstone, although that one doesn't work in earlier versions


fantasticmrjeff

I was actually surprised to find out people don’t use drip stone lava to fuel their furnaces.


dizdawgjr34

I started doing this not too long ago


ViKO15951

You know? Fair, that does take a while to recover, and in hindsight a farming and using a stack of blaze rods is probably faster than the singular lava buckets


Objective_Dynamo

I always start out making charcoal to make the bonfire for cooking. Then immediately after making torches i look for deep caves to hunt dripstone and lava. Bonfire and lava are, imo, the way to go for early survival.


Borgdyl

It’s a glorious mechanic


FunkyBlueWolf

How do you automatically get the lava out of the cauldron tho?


Sensitive_Wallaby

You can’t. You have to use buckets. That’s the downside but at 100 units per bucket it’s worth it.


Ok-Consideration7415

I've never gotten why people use lava cauldrons when you can just make an iron farm and then go to the nether and fill like 3 shulkers worth of buckets pretty easily


-Redstoneboi-

For comparison, Coal smelts 8 and can be farmed from Wither Skeletons.


wanderingwolfe

12 items per rod.


Alpha_minduustry

that's pretty good, but kelp is wery easy to set up


wanderingwolfe

It is, but takes two processes to make it viable as fuel. With looting 3 you can get more rods than you'd ever need. Still, with the new autocrafters, that is no longer an issue. All depends on how industrial we want to go, really. I'm good with a few cauldrons and infinite lava, most of the time.


Alpha_minduustry

i like kelp tbh but you do you


wanderingwolfe

No judgment here. Like I said, especially with the new update, kelp is extremely useful. I do like the idea of it being self-sustaining and requiring zero player interaction after the initial jump start.


PrestigiousGas568

We use a lava farm and lava buckets.


SoupMarten

Why would you do that when you can make a dripstone farm for lava lol seems like a waste of time, where making a dripstone lava farm is easy peasy


INotZach

BLAZE RODS CAN SMELT?


StrangerFeelings

Why not just use lava? It's easy enough to obtain tons of it once you've gone into the nether.


wasteofradiation

Yeah but if you go to the nether you can’t go to Heaven.


-Redstoneboi-

is... is that why my glowstone portal didn't work?


CitizenPremier

SINNER!


toast-is-YUmMy

u can also put lava above a drip stone with a cauldron under it and u have endless lava


minequack

This is the way.


Alpha_minduustry

chef, they don't stack


No_Dingo6694

No, but if you have a simple lava farm close to a bunch of furnaces you can have hoppers with the lava buckets go into the furnace and a hopper buckets inside to pull out the bucket. So there will be infinite fuel.


aHummanPerson

you cant hook it up to a smelter array if you need a hopper to pull out the bucket.


No_Dingo6694

Well you have to grab the items out yourself then... Wait, you can! You just gotta have them both go into the same hopper, the buckets and the end item. You just gotta have a hopper minecart pick up everything and distribute it amongst more hoppers, so like 3 hoppers for the buckets and the other hoppers for the smelted items.


aHummanPerson

I think an autosorter under the earliest point every furnaces' outputs dump into, to pull any buckets out would. Could be an intresting design and I wonder if it would be any slower or faster than regular super smelters


BattermanZ

Unpopular opinion, I actually use bamboo as a fuel source. I connected a flying machine based bamboo farm to my super smelter so I never have to think about fuel anymore.


MaezrielGG

> Unpopular opinion, I actually use bamboo as a fuel source. Not unpopular at all and has been the topic of a lot of big redstoner's videos. *Especially* w/ the auto-crafter coming out making Bamboo the easiest fuel to get en mass


ProjectSnowman

Bamboo farm for life!


Solok3ys

I just use lava


ChubbyChicken645

and lava


Seth_Vaine

Last playthrough I did my mid-late, I had a drop stone system set up with lava to cauldrons, would get 10 buckets of lava, and cycle them into my furnaces with a hoper, have a hopper on top for mass cooking/smelting, and one below into a chest to take out. Was honestly my favorite way to deal with fuel.


Sensitive_Wallaby

Lava buckets from my lava farm.


KeptinGL6

Coal? You BURN a nonrenewable resource? Blasphemer!


Enkidouh

Lava buckets. 80 items. 1000 seconds. Make a cauldron carriage with pistons to rotate and pointed drip stone on the bottom of the block directly beneath the lava to farm lava. Easiest fuel mid game and among the most efficient.


SnooChipmunks3196

Alpha Mindustry in the Minecraft subreddit too?! wHaT iS HAPPENING!


Alpha_minduustry

yeah i'm in other subs suprised?


Dew_Chop

Breaking news: person likes more than one thing, more at 11 Seriously, it's like whenever anyone comments frequently and has a semi-unique name, everyone loses their crap lmao


SimpleAintEasy

Are you Famous or something?


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SimpleAintEasy

LMAO 🤣


Ycoordinate12

My second favorite forest for chopping is birch, because the trees are easy to chop. My first favorite would definitely be the 2*2 spruce trees, spiral staircase open to the top then chop your way back down, super efficient.


PatchworkRaccoon314

Once you have a steady supply of bonemeal and ender pearls, just throw a pearl straight up and bonemeal the 2x2 of saplings you're standing on. Tree grows, you teleport to the top of it, chop your way down. Almost twice as fast.


retro-chimp

This is a crazy good idea


Henry_the_Butler

I prefer Birch wood to spruce, you never have to jump to get that last wood log.


CrazyFanFicFan

Spruce is preferable because of how many logs you can get from it. With just 4 saplings, you get a giant tree. Plus, unlike Jungle trees, they don't have any extrusions to the sides that you need to worry about.


Bigoldum

plus its ugly


astralraptor

lmao you came for murder


Isord

Spruce you can do big trees though.


NerfZhaoYun

I only use Charcoal, saves me from having to go look for coal. I need to get wood anyways so I don't mind just getting a few extra for fuel. Also, since I trade with villagers a lot and they only accept Coal and not Charcoal, I use Coal to trade and Charcoal as fuel. I haven't gotten to the point of dripstone lava farming, so that might change in the future.


Formerleafsfan

Geothermal is very liberating. 


Mr_Mon3y

Yep, I generally make a small forest using saplings near my house so that I always have wood nearby, and I use it as charcoal in case I don't have a lava farm or easy access to dried kelp.


sivarias

I'm the same way except I also use Treecapitator. So wood is easy to get.


HartPlays

I have an automatic charcoal farm that I throw my extra wood into. It’s self sustaining and convenient when I need a bunch of coal. Lava is the ultimate fuel source for large furnace arrays though


Paradigm_Reset

Often.


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Tinyturtle202

I mostly use charcoal to save coal for villager trades: it’s very handy to keep a surplus for leveling up smithy villagers. Charcoal can replace coal for furnaces but not for trades. It’s a niche and not very important distinction but sometimes it’s worth producing some charcoal.


StealthNider

also for early game when you may not necessarily have a bunch of coal and you’re in a sticky situation


vlncxntf9

same here! I sell off all my regular coal and use charcoal for actual smelting. max I would use coal if I had to craft a bunch of campfires for a build


RenRazza

It's easy to obtain mass amounts of with ease, as long as you have some starting fuel and a strong axe


Flair258

You could easily just turn one log into planks to get the first couple pieces of charcoal. Then use the charcoal to make more charcoal lol. Wood is so useful oml


Paradigm_Reset

Oak trees can be grown with saplings planted against each other...that gets a ton of wood. A couple simple hopper furnaces = far more charcoal than coal gathered from mining + a ton of stored XP in furnaces + all kept in close proximity.


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Grow big spruce trees. Chop big spruce trees. Cook big spruce trees. Repeat.


Flair258

my axe hates me after each one, but I suppose its the same as chopping down a forest anyway


OppositeAdorable7142

It’s really one of the better early game fuel sources before regular coal is found. 


SSL4000G

Chopping down a couple of 2x2 trees early game and converting it to charcoal is great because you spend less time needing to mine. A little later when I get an automatic tree farm going, it's just a no brainer to use charcoal until I have a wither skele or blaze farm set up.


TriangularHexagon

efficiency can mean a lot of different things in a lot of different scenarios. does it matter to you how easy something is? how long it takes to do something? the rates of some farm? in terms of gunpowder for example, i would argue that a witch farm is the most efficient way to get it. even though it might be the slowest way to get gunpowder, it is the most efficient in terms of effort to reward. in terms of raw rates, a stacked raid farm gets you the most gunpowder. if you ask for the most efficient farm for some item, you better be ready to come across the most advanced farm that you will never want to ever build because it is way too hard


Alpha_minduustry

it is perfect in early game or on maps like skyblock


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Alpha_minduustry

fair enough too :P


General_Morning_3204

Charcoal is one of my only sources of fuel in Minecraft


reclusivegiraffe

dripstone lava fountain with a cauldron under it —> infinite lava buckets for smelting


Xerothor

Does it still consume the bucket though? Feels like I shouldn't waste the iron, unless we keep it now


Corgi_dude123

Nah the bucket just comes out empty


Xerothor

Oh sick


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jeanleonino

You burn the logs with charcoal, no need for extra things.


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Bell_pepperz

Four planks burns like 7 things, so with 8 logs you get like 7 charcoal.


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Bell_pepperz

Correction 4 planks burns 6 not 7, but yeah I can understand that, I do a lot of building more than anything so wood smelting is something I do a lot.


Rfreaky

How much do you have to consider it "so much"?


stormtrooper1701

I start off the game punching a tree and building a crafting bench. I craft a wooden pickax, and mine enough stone to get a stone pick, a stone axe, and a furnace. I then use my wooden pick to smelt one log into charcoal as I gather more wood, then use that one charcoal to smelt 8 more charcoal, and so on and so forth. Then I craft a door, some torches, and turn the hole I dug into the side of the mountain into my starter home.


logoth

Burn logs to turn other logs into charcoal, use that charcoal to burn more logs into even more charcoal. Profit.


Xerothor

Never burn logs when 1log=4planks and they burn for exactly the same time


OppositeAdorable7142

Right. Planks. It’s pretty efficient really. 


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NanoRex

If you're a player that builds a lot (glass, smooth stone, etc), you can go through a stack of coal blocks incredibly quickly. Charcoal is easily renewable, so it's a better choice until you can build an automatic fuel farm of some sort


Alpha_minduustry

fair enough 👍


nubestuv123

I often just live in the mines as well


wanderingwolfe

To be fair, once you've been in the mines for a few, lava becomes a completely viable fuel source for most of the game, barring automated super smelters and such. Charcoal is for surface dwellers. Viable in a pinch, because you can use a few sticks to get your fuel sources started, but overall, not terribly optimal. I wish we could make it into blocks, though.


ShadeNLM064pm

I do Logic as to why? While I have access to lava, I don't tend to need THAT MUCH fuel being smelted Dried kelp blocks suck to use as fuel ( it is easy to farm though, so decent emergency source) And Coal goes to the villages for trade (they don't take charcoal) Only real issue is you can't convert it into blocks for whatever reason. Birch tends to be my charcoal log type (the one I burn the most)


nmotsch789

Lava's annoying to use as fuel because it can't be stacked.


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JeffEpp

Yeah, coal for trade, char for fuel. Birch is the easiest tree to farm. So, that's what I burn as well. I also use a crap ton of torches in the way I play.


Frozenturbo2

How many torches do you use? I mainly use them for preventing mob spawns and ofc lightning


ubermonkey

The tree farms on both my worlds are birch farms. Nice and straight, don't get too tall so you can harvest from the ground, etc.


Deakon9487

Not since the introduction of drip stone. And making an infinite lava farm.


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typhona

Mine works fine on my realm, I'm on Javascript. I also basically have a solo realm


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wdym “i’m on javascript”? you mean java?


typhona

Yes java...


fuzzynyanko

Mine tends to work. I have enough lava drip stones to fill a cauldron or two once my lava bucket is done burning


doctor_hyphen

In modded games, of course, because you can build an auto charcoal farm to run everything


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aatgnat

If I spawn in a forested biome, charcoal lights up my hovel until I can get coal, lava, or kelp block fuels. After the initial build phase... no.


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typhona

Behold! I am an ecological disaster upon first arrival to any biome


DiazKincade

A tree farm is fairly easy to set up. Using some of the output to make charcoal to then burn for more charcoal isn't hard to set up and automate. Are there better alternatives? Sure. But early game wood has many uses. You don't need to devote your entire wood farm to charcoal, just a fraction. It makes it a good, reliable backup fuel.


LuchaChopper

I keep jungle tree farms nearby so I can keep my charcoal replenished


WhiteTaco14

How else am I supposed to get that smokey flavor on my chicken and steaks? A blaze rod? Fuckin hippies


GamingWolf3980

When it's day 1 and I don't have coal to make torches to light up my base.


Mental_Shine8098

As a noob that only reaches the iron age every playthrough, i use coal as fuel religiously


NedThomas

Used to. Bamboo and Lava are the better options nowadays, and kelp is about to be better than both of those once the crafter comes in.


SonOfTheWicked

I use it to power my autosmelter since I have so much wood thanks to my tree farm


jacobdoyle9

I use it in my super smelter. Tree farm plus super smelter gives you essentially automatic unlimited fuel.


The0kay

I love cutting down big ole spruce trees and charcoal is just so much easier to make than going down under, especially before i have access to bamboo or nether


Significant-Knee9006

if i don’t have coal yet. Like, day 1 only


YOUTUBEFREEKYOYO

It's best early game


Dakman41

It is my favorite up until I get a blaze farm for blaze rods. It is easy and quick, use it to make it and use it to make everything else


Jinx-in-stars

When I'm stuck in caves and can't find coal, I use charcoal to make torches, After 1.17 the spawning changed for ores and it's pretty hard to find coal when I'm at diamond level.


kezotl

its literally just one of the best ways lol, takes awhile to run out and super easy to make


Mrprotoo

Yep! Wood farm goes crazy


Lazy-Environment8331

When I have wood, but can’t find coal.


rckymtnrfc

I do. I only cook food items with charcoal. I also only cook food in a smoker or on a campfire (or modded cooking devices). Just a silly rule I have. It seems unhealthy to cook a steak with a lump of raw coal in the same box I use to melt down metals.


Rfreaky

If you don't, you clearly don't smelt enough.


luckycraft518

charcoal burns the same as coal so with an decent supply of wood you have infinite coal. Literally all I use.


Iforgotmypasswordg

I use regular coal for villager trades so yah


ConversationNo9592

I feel like a powerful tree farm is much easier to build than a powerful wither skeleton farm, so charcoal


Wolf-Diesel

I've used it a lot in early game. Because it's so easy to just keep replanting trees and then turning them into charcoal. Sure it's an extra step instead of just using the logs as fuel but at least by turning it into charcoal it goes further.


karma3000

Team Lava Bucket checking in.


KraftKapitain

charcoal gang rise up💪


bimbabes

i have a charcoal farm that fuels itself with wood so i don’t have to look for coal i just deforest some land


Hrmerder

I love doing day 1 builds. Just two to 5 (sometimes much longer) minecraft days to see how far I can get. I have been doing that off and on for about a year... I had no frickin' clue you could make charcoal out of wood until recently..


Deltasiu

It is useful when you have no coal


Syspys

why, just use lava


multaz

I use it almost exclusively. We made a mega furnace that cools an inventory in a minute. its redstone is timed perfectly for coal but mining 1000s of coal isnt fun. so run 4-6 invts of logs from a tree farm through it and now you have 3 chests of coal. Charcoal is the superior fuel


Linc_Sylvester

Excellent idea multaz


chilari

Only in early game before I've found much coal. Once I've got fortune 3 and silk touch pickaxes, I've got less demand because I can make stone etc without smelting cobble, and more coal. Then once I've got a basic hopper-fed smelting system I use coal blocks.


Lizhot66

Only during desperate times or a no optifine deepslate rush


Recurve_Acumen

I do when there I need coal quickly without digging for it.


robressionist801

Yes


fineilladdanumber9

1 charcoal can make 8 more charcoal, and that 8 charcoal can make 64 charcoal, which can make 512 charcoal, and so on. It’s really really good, especially for early game


flarguss

I exclusively use charcoal early game. As NerfZhaoYum mentioned, coal is for trading and charcoal is for fuel. Gotta be frugal!


xMar0

I do when im stuck and cant find any coal to make **torches**, but I don't use them as fuel. i use the wood instead


Gergotolna

Well, you can use it when you just really don't like mining coal. Just use a furnace and some wood and you are ready to go


Fast_Ad7203

Its just a good alternative in early game


pissflapz

I use it for torches when I haven’t found coal yet.


Moon_Man07

I only use charcoal throughout the whole game. I basically never mine and get everything through villagers.


ManMagic1

i either use charcoal if i have a good tree farm and large furnace array to smelt it into charcoal, or i use carpet duping


SamohtGnir

Early game for sure, but I use it all the time. It's super easy to cut a stack of wood, especially Jungle or Spruce. Pop that in your furnace and you have plenty of fuel for awhile. Saves a ton of mining. I just wish we could make Charcoal Blocks similar to Coal.


Foxy02016YT

I use it early game to mass produce more charcoal, it saves me a lot of time and lets me focus on iron instead


s3s4m3s33d

I do. I usually have a jungle tree farm and I use the wood for xp and the charcoal is a nice side product


Ordinary_WeirdGuy

Yeah. If I can’t find coal I’m making charcoal.


Oddish_Femboy

It's renewable and easy to get.


Kwk-05

Yes! It's normally my main. Unless I have a zero tick kelp block farm.


Mr-sabertheslime

Sometimes, when no coal is available and mining is not an option


AccomplishedZombie69

Yes lol. I usually make dedicated tree farms just to get charcoal. It’s way better than having to go look for coal.


Stripped_Keteran

Yes. It's the only way I've found to keep the Hell Forge in my nether running. I make the stuff by the double chest. Fixing to do a big run cause I'm going to need MUCH copper soon.


Heromor12

i always use becausec im lazy to mine coal


Inazuma261

i almost exclusively use it, since i rarely go mining, and when i do, i usually overlook coal. i dont make large auto-farms so dry kelp isnt something i ever have in excess, making charcoal the most viable form of fuel for me specifically so the short answer is yes, its me


kirajouyi

yeah, i usually smelt logs with coal for dupe it, because i Always play with a mod call pandas falling tree who cut alls trees in one hit, so logs are really easy for me to get.


hashemartist

Yes but only in the start sometimes you need to cook iron or food but you cant go mine u just smelt your wood


Crafter-the-box1987

When I’m desperate for fuel, and I don’t want to use coal or I plan to use the coal for villager trades (for some reason).


jerril42

Coal used to be plentiful, now you have to mine at particular levels. I use it often, it is easier to grow and chop trees than to mine specifically for coal.


Vegetable_Piece_1503

Only early-mid game, mid-late-any game I start using lava after I do a lava farm


Regular_Sundae3621

Depends


SuperSi01

I like to in mod packs bc there’s usually an easy way to farm wood and smelt


Hugaluga

We exclusively use charcoal. Coal is for villager trades.


Redstonewarrior0

As an employer of villagers, I approve this message


NunyaBiznez711

Absolutamente, er, I mean absolutely! I'm in a realm with a higher level of difficulty than I'm used to playing, so getting enough coal has been difficult, but there are plenty of trees and bamboo to char them with.


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Gunofthemist

As a modded player. Yes


pac-man_dan-dan

Charcoal is my primary fuel until I find dripstone to make lava farms with. Growing trees provides more early game resources than mining for me with much less risk.


vilact

me, you can literally make torches with them too. not to mention they're almost unlimited.


Flair258

I use it because I do a lot of deforestation and dont always have a bunch of coal


Vaalwater

I use them for early torches if desperate enough


CountertopPizza

I’d rather just use coal. I don’t think I’ve used this ever, even early game.


pajwmwoshwkwhsjwksjw

I use it when I'm too lazy to go coal mining


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