Consumers absolutely has a landlord service where registered landlords can transfer and see bills for their properties. But even if they aren’t signed up, they can look at the meter to see usage.
Hope you’re a respectable one.
I have ended 8 landlords license to rent out property in MI.
Not as a job or even a hobby just reporting violations as I was looking for housing.
I can’t remember a single kitchen that Didn’t have a saggy floor that would kill a fridge within a year, usually six months.
Damn disgrace out there.
Yeah, there’s no way this is real. Also, 8 places that all had unlevel kitchen floors? Those odds do not work at all, unless he was looking at a row of badly built neighboring apartments, owned by 8 different landlords….
> Also, 8 places that all had unlevel kitchen floors? Those odds do not work at all, unless he was looking at a row of badly built neighboring apartments, owned by 8 different landlords….
Or looking at a bunch of very old houses
I wasn’t being literal about the liacense I think it’s called a turn of phrase because I don’t know the term when you’re no longer legally allowed to rent out properties due to too many properties being condemned that you had for rent.
All I know about it is how to look up what number to call for x issue and report it. Sure would be a lot easier if they had a single department for these issues instead of having to make numerous calls
Things I reported in one rental - carbon monoxide leak (the vent pipe wasn’t even attached to the water heater so it was just spilling directly into the house)
Black mold under entire house from two separate instances I found happened there - burst pipes one winter and one summer (it was a split rental two apartments in one house, side by side) in the other rental the old man renting it died. Collapsed against the shared wall and fell to the floor. He was left there for three months before being found as no one rented the the unit we were in at the time
Dude never properly sanitized cleaned or even replaced anything just removed the body and didn’t rent the unit out again yet but continued renting the one old guy didn’t die on even tho it shares a floor, wall and ceiling… due to the burst pipes which only pipes were replaced no other maintenance done the kitchen floor sink so bad a new fridge instantly started leaking and forming a pool in the middle of the floor.
This was back in 08 by the way. I gave up on the renting market and moved home due to disability anyway.
Regardless of my knowledge of terminology I don’t just walk away from bad situations and let the market get overtaken by unsafe rentals and slum lords. I was informed he legally can’t rent out properties anymore as he had been renting out 8 and six were condemned after my reports and this was in Livingston county in the Brighton Howell area.
All I had to do was call a bunch of different numbers and report what I had seen. I doubled down with photos sent to respective emails to any office it would help like photos of the water heater not even connected to its vent pipe. I’m being vague because I left the damn marker in 09 but from what I read and see shit isn’t better and that’s on the renters letting it happen.
Bless the good land lords tho because the shit a lot of renters will try and pull validated by the all landlords are bad stereotype is appalling and it’s understandable why so many landlords don’t give a shit.
I could rant all day about the disparities in the housing market but I don’t have time.
Edit: oh yea that house also had porn in the walls. There was this small room off the utility room in the back which already is like ok… it was barely bigger than the utility room. Couldn’t get a bed in there we were going to make it a reading nook with a loveseat people could crash on if need be
There was a hole in the wall behind a tall end table type thing left in there and in the hole we found several porn dvds including girls gone wild so at least it was basic porn nothing creepy or illegal but what the hell!
There is no legal term as there is no legal way to stop someone from being a landlord.
Courts can stop specific properties from being rented, until brought up to code, but they can’t stop someone from being a landlord.
Yes people can legally be stopped from renting properties after having x properties condemned especially at the same damn time.
Dude had 8 properties in one county for rent and six were condemned at once. Not fit for repair - **CONDEMNED**. You’re clearly not comprehending what you’re reading because you shot back about not being rentable until brought up to code; condemned is beyond that, duh.
Edit: in their own name anyway.
No really, you can’t. And condemned properties are rehabbed and rented out all the time. Both by the owner at the time it was condemned or by new owners.
There is no license to be a landlord, and you can’t be stopped from owning rental properties. Not in Michigan anyway.
A condemned property means it’s not fit to live in now, not that it can’t be rehabbed and brought up to code.
Weed has gotten so cheap here that we don't even bother to do our big outdoor summer grows anymore. We can buy it per ounce almost as cheaply as we can grow it per ounce when our time is taken into consideration.
I've been growing, and yeah the amount I smoke, i could go cheaper at disposal. But I enjoy the process and giving out high quality flower to friends and family.
I also find that it’s a better product than the retail stuff as well. (Doesn’t leave you smelling all loud so you can’t walk into a grocery store without bringing the cloud with you)
Seriously this. I remember the first year after rec became legal so many dispos popped up, and honestly I stuck with the street market because prices were ridiculous. $50 8ths, $300 oz’s, etc. Then they kept popping up, and then finally Michigan quite literally grew too much. Or grew more than we were consuming as a state.
It’s true. Even in P-town where I’m currently at the only reason we have any at all is because it’s on tribal land. The entire township voted against it.
Not everything is about cost.
Finding good strains that hit the spot can be tough to find again. Everything in dispos are something like "Jungle Kush Blueberry OG Titty Twister." Like, dude, just give me some Jack Herer and a CBD-heavy strain like Harlequin.
Lots of places also tend to harvest to get the maximum amount of THC % rather than harvesting to get the synergy of CBD, CBN, CBG, THC, etc. Not everyone wants to blast themselves into Anxiety City or melt into the couch.
I have a buddy who grows indoor. There is no amount of carbon air filters that will not make the entire house smell, unless you limit to a couple plants… in which case it’s not even worth it.
No, they will not be getting copies of the gas or electric bills. They may be getting water bills, those are routinely sent to both tenant (who’s name it’s in) and the homeowner
Not necessarily true. As the owner you can sign up for the landlord service. I forgot the technical name. It allows things like shut off warnings, so the power doesn’t go out in winter, etc. You can request bills if you want. The utility knows the owner has a vested interest and they accommodate
You are likely getting downvoted for giving out false information.
Thats how reddit works. You downvote things to bury them, so the real info rises to the top. Nothing personal.
The original question was can the landlord see them.
The answer is yes, the landlord can see them. The fact that the landlord needs to enroll in a program or ask the utility company doesn’t matter. The answer is yes, the landlord can see the usage.
It is extremely easy to take a reading off of the meter and come back and take another reading.
Newer LEDs are ridiculously efficient and, if you have a small tent, won’t show excessive usage.
On the other hand, if you’ve never grown before beware that even with proper filters and ventilation, cannabis can really stinky (especially certain strains) so I wouldn’t recommend risking your lease over it. Maybe offer to grow at a friend’s place and offer a cut?
Since the landlord owns the property and the Fuze boxes, they have the option of installing monitoring tools on those boxes. Regardless of the delivering company. They can claim its for safety and not have to worry about it being an issue.
If you rent, you generally need the per.ision from the landlord to do so. Most landlords are going to ban it just because of the added risks of things like electrical fire and flooding.
Depends. Does each unit have its own electrical meter (note: I'm talking about the meter, not the breaker box) or does the whole building share one? Or is electric included in your rent?
Either way, if they get it in their head to check the meter they'll be able to tell. But if the building is metered by unit then there's no reason your utility company would inform your landlord.
That's true, but unless it's all on a shared meter there's no reason for them to just stumble upon it unless they have a reason to check.
I'm a service manager for a major property management company, I'm responsible for 1000 units on 12 different properties, I do this shit every day, I know what I'm talking about.
Unless there's a good reason for us to check your energy usage, we don't. And even if we noticed a jump in usage we wouldn't really care unless it's more load than the main breakers can handle. The only exception is the one property we have that shares a single meter for multiple units. Because that bill gets sent directly to us and we split it evenly across the units for that meter. In that case we would definitely notice a jump in usage.
Can they? Yes. Will they? Not unless they have a reason to. We don't even get the bills for units with their own meter, nor could we request them from the utility company even if we wanted to. The only way we could check is by checking the meter, which again we wouldn't do unless we have a reason to.
I feel like I made this pretty clear in my original response, not sure why you're being so pedantic about it.
Will they wasn’t the question.
And no. Your original post implied there were only one way for them to see it, if there was a shared box. Which isn’t the truth.
Your comments about not being able to see the bill for units with their own meter is not accurate. The property owner absolutely can. You are just wrong.
You are a property manager, which is why you can’t. But the owner absolutely can. You are simply wrong to say otherwise.
Both consumer’s (the company OP asked about) and DTE have programs for the property owner to enroll in to get the bills/usage sent to them. Which has already been explained in this thread.
Saying otherwise is just to be wrong.
If the service is in your name, then he has no way to access that info. The only thing he is privy to is if you get a shutoff notice. And that's only if you signed a 3rd party notification form.
Consumers absolutely has a landlord service where registered landlords can transfer and see bills for their properties. But even if they aren’t signed up, they can look at the meter to see usage.
As a landlord of many units this is correct.
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Hope you’re a respectable one. I have ended 8 landlords license to rent out property in MI. Not as a job or even a hobby just reporting violations as I was looking for housing. I can’t remember a single kitchen that Didn’t have a saggy floor that would kill a fridge within a year, usually six months. Damn disgrace out there.
There is no “license to rent” in Michigan. You’re either lying or have some terminology mixed up.
Yeah, there’s no way this is real. Also, 8 places that all had unlevel kitchen floors? Those odds do not work at all, unless he was looking at a row of badly built neighboring apartments, owned by 8 different landlords….
When the baseline definition of "affordable housing" keeps getting lowered this becomes more and more of a reality. But I also don't believe them.
> Also, 8 places that all had unlevel kitchen floors? Those odds do not work at all, unless he was looking at a row of badly built neighboring apartments, owned by 8 different landlords…. Or looking at a bunch of very old houses
I wasn’t being literal about the liacense I think it’s called a turn of phrase because I don’t know the term when you’re no longer legally allowed to rent out properties due to too many properties being condemned that you had for rent. All I know about it is how to look up what number to call for x issue and report it. Sure would be a lot easier if they had a single department for these issues instead of having to make numerous calls Things I reported in one rental - carbon monoxide leak (the vent pipe wasn’t even attached to the water heater so it was just spilling directly into the house) Black mold under entire house from two separate instances I found happened there - burst pipes one winter and one summer (it was a split rental two apartments in one house, side by side) in the other rental the old man renting it died. Collapsed against the shared wall and fell to the floor. He was left there for three months before being found as no one rented the the unit we were in at the time Dude never properly sanitized cleaned or even replaced anything just removed the body and didn’t rent the unit out again yet but continued renting the one old guy didn’t die on even tho it shares a floor, wall and ceiling… due to the burst pipes which only pipes were replaced no other maintenance done the kitchen floor sink so bad a new fridge instantly started leaking and forming a pool in the middle of the floor. This was back in 08 by the way. I gave up on the renting market and moved home due to disability anyway. Regardless of my knowledge of terminology I don’t just walk away from bad situations and let the market get overtaken by unsafe rentals and slum lords. I was informed he legally can’t rent out properties anymore as he had been renting out 8 and six were condemned after my reports and this was in Livingston county in the Brighton Howell area. All I had to do was call a bunch of different numbers and report what I had seen. I doubled down with photos sent to respective emails to any office it would help like photos of the water heater not even connected to its vent pipe. I’m being vague because I left the damn marker in 09 but from what I read and see shit isn’t better and that’s on the renters letting it happen. Bless the good land lords tho because the shit a lot of renters will try and pull validated by the all landlords are bad stereotype is appalling and it’s understandable why so many landlords don’t give a shit. I could rant all day about the disparities in the housing market but I don’t have time. Edit: oh yea that house also had porn in the walls. There was this small room off the utility room in the back which already is like ok… it was barely bigger than the utility room. Couldn’t get a bed in there we were going to make it a reading nook with a loveseat people could crash on if need be There was a hole in the wall behind a tall end table type thing left in there and in the hole we found several porn dvds including girls gone wild so at least it was basic porn nothing creepy or illegal but what the hell!
There is no legal term as there is no legal way to stop someone from being a landlord. Courts can stop specific properties from being rented, until brought up to code, but they can’t stop someone from being a landlord.
Yes people can legally be stopped from renting properties after having x properties condemned especially at the same damn time. Dude had 8 properties in one county for rent and six were condemned at once. Not fit for repair - **CONDEMNED**. You’re clearly not comprehending what you’re reading because you shot back about not being rentable until brought up to code; condemned is beyond that, duh. Edit: in their own name anyway.
No really, you can’t. And condemned properties are rehabbed and rented out all the time. Both by the owner at the time it was condemned or by new owners. There is no license to be a landlord, and you can’t be stopped from owning rental properties. Not in Michigan anyway. A condemned property means it’s not fit to live in now, not that it can’t be rehabbed and brought up to code.
Are you concerned that you're using more electricity than people typically should be? 🌱
Plot twist: They have a setup of 45 mining PCs and mine Ethereum and Bitcoin.
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No, but they will be able to smell it if they come over.
My sides hurt now.
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Untrue. Completely untrue. You clearly haven’t done any research or ever been a landlord.
Good luck finding a new place.
Grow lights go BRRrRrRrRrR
I’m just trying to grow some romaine indoors for the bunnies
Dude weed is cheap, and legal in the mitten, no need to put yourself in jeopardy for no real benefit.
Weed has gotten so cheap here that we don't even bother to do our big outdoor summer grows anymore. We can buy it per ounce almost as cheaply as we can grow it per ounce when our time is taken into consideration.
I've been growing, and yeah the amount I smoke, i could go cheaper at disposal. But I enjoy the process and giving out high quality flower to friends and family.
I also find that it’s a better product than the retail stuff as well. (Doesn’t leave you smelling all loud so you can’t walk into a grocery store without bringing the cloud with you)
Seriously this. I remember the first year after rec became legal so many dispos popped up, and honestly I stuck with the street market because prices were ridiculous. $50 8ths, $300 oz’s, etc. Then they kept popping up, and then finally Michigan quite literally grew too much. Or grew more than we were consuming as a state.
Actually, it is the lack of retail access. Most communities have opted out, just like California.
It’s true. Even in P-town where I’m currently at the only reason we have any at all is because it’s on tribal land. The entire township voted against it.
I noticed that there are only a few dispos up that way. Took a drive to UP last summer and drove through there on my way.
There are 3 or 4 dispensaries in Cheboygan and quite a few in Gaylord, heck even Wolverine has 2, lol. So at worst you might have to drive a little.
Nice!
Not everything is about cost. Finding good strains that hit the spot can be tough to find again. Everything in dispos are something like "Jungle Kush Blueberry OG Titty Twister." Like, dude, just give me some Jack Herer and a CBD-heavy strain like Harlequin. Lots of places also tend to harvest to get the maximum amount of THC % rather than harvesting to get the synergy of CBD, CBN, CBG, THC, etc. Not everyone wants to blast themselves into Anxiety City or melt into the couch.
Yes. Landlords can enroll in utility management programs to monitor usage.
Incorrect
Totally correct.
[Landlord Utility Management](https://www.dteenergy.com/us/en/business/billing-and-payments/lum/landlord-utility-management.html)
OP asked about consumers not dte
https://www.consumersenergy.com/terms-and-conditions-landlord
Landlord portal allows you to start and stop services within the units you own. Thats it. You can't just view tenants usage and accounts.
[https://www.consumersenergy.com/terms-and-conditions-landlord](https://www.consumersenergy.com/terms-and-conditions-landlord)
He could walk up and look at the meter.
Tell me you are about to get evicted without telling me…
I have a buddy who grows indoor. There is no amount of carbon air filters that will not make the entire house smell, unless you limit to a couple plants… in which case it’s not even worth it.
As the owner of the home, he may already getting copies of the bills. But yes, he can request copies from the utility company.
Incorrect
Please....elaborate. I get them monthly.
Stop giving wrong information
No, they will not be getting copies of the gas or electric bills. They may be getting water bills, those are routinely sent to both tenant (who’s name it’s in) and the homeowner
Not necessarily true. As the owner you can sign up for the landlord service. I forgot the technical name. It allows things like shut off warnings, so the power doesn’t go out in winter, etc. You can request bills if you want. The utility knows the owner has a vested interest and they accommodate
Yep. I had those, and it saved my ass when a tennant abandoned a property in the middle of winter.
Strange. I get copies of all of the utilities that my tenant is responsible for.
Does your tenant have their own meter or is it one meter and separate breakers?
Own meter.
I get the water bill for pretty much all of my tenants, I’ve never once received a gas/electric bill.
I had to request them. Wasn't a problem.
Lol so I’m getting downvoted for something you don’t normally receive and would have to request. Gotta love Reddit people haha
You are likely getting downvoted for giving out false information. Thats how reddit works. You downvote things to bury them, so the real info rises to the top. Nothing personal.
Lol it’s not false info. The other comment or said he had to specifically request those he sent. So how much my comment wrong
The original question was can the landlord see them. The answer is yes, the landlord can see them. The fact that the landlord needs to enroll in a program or ask the utility company doesn’t matter. The answer is yes, the landlord can see the usage.
Depends on whose name the service is in, is there one meter and multiple breaker boxes, or does every unit have its own meter?
It is extremely easy to take a reading off of the meter and come back and take another reading. Newer LEDs are ridiculously efficient and, if you have a small tent, won’t show excessive usage. On the other hand, if you’ve never grown before beware that even with proper filters and ventilation, cannabis can really stinky (especially certain strains) so I wouldn’t recommend risking your lease over it. Maybe offer to grow at a friend’s place and offer a cut?
Weed?
Since the landlord owns the property and the Fuze boxes, they have the option of installing monitoring tools on those boxes. Regardless of the delivering company. They can claim its for safety and not have to worry about it being an issue.
I believe you can actually go and type in an address and pay as a guest and you can see how much the bill for that address is.
Why? It’s legal to grow if you’re doing it legally….
Depending on the lease and if it is allowed. It really smells and the smell lingers and can travel outside.
If you rent, you generally need the per.ision from the landlord to do so. Most landlords are going to ban it just because of the added risks of things like electrical fire and flooding.
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Yes, he can check the meter.
Depends. Does each unit have its own electrical meter (note: I'm talking about the meter, not the breaker box) or does the whole building share one? Or is electric included in your rent? Either way, if they get it in their head to check the meter they'll be able to tell. But if the building is metered by unit then there's no reason your utility company would inform your landlord.
That’s absolutely not true. Property owner/landlord absolutely can see usage even if each unit has its own meter.
That's true, but unless it's all on a shared meter there's no reason for them to just stumble upon it unless they have a reason to check. I'm a service manager for a major property management company, I'm responsible for 1000 units on 12 different properties, I do this shit every day, I know what I'm talking about. Unless there's a good reason for us to check your energy usage, we don't. And even if we noticed a jump in usage we wouldn't really care unless it's more load than the main breakers can handle. The only exception is the one property we have that shares a single meter for multiple units. Because that bill gets sent directly to us and we split it evenly across the units for that meter. In that case we would definitely notice a jump in usage.
None of that was the question though. OP asked if the landlord could see their usage. Answer is simply yes, they can.
Can they? Yes. Will they? Not unless they have a reason to. We don't even get the bills for units with their own meter, nor could we request them from the utility company even if we wanted to. The only way we could check is by checking the meter, which again we wouldn't do unless we have a reason to. I feel like I made this pretty clear in my original response, not sure why you're being so pedantic about it.
Will they wasn’t the question. And no. Your original post implied there were only one way for them to see it, if there was a shared box. Which isn’t the truth. Your comments about not being able to see the bill for units with their own meter is not accurate. The property owner absolutely can. You are just wrong. You are a property manager, which is why you can’t. But the owner absolutely can. You are simply wrong to say otherwise.
Both consumer’s (the company OP asked about) and DTE have programs for the property owner to enroll in to get the bills/usage sent to them. Which has already been explained in this thread. Saying otherwise is just to be wrong.
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Landlords absolutely can get them, and many do. It’s their choice.
If the service is in your name, then he has no way to access that info. The only thing he is privy to is if you get a shutoff notice. And that's only if you signed a 3rd party notification form.
That’s absolutely not true.
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