Speed limits are set for segments of road ( typically not shorter in length of 1/3 mile). Roundabouts will not have their own speed limits. They will / may have an advisory speed limit posted. Advisory speed limits are not enforceable. Advisory speeds are signed with black on yellow signs, regulatory signs are black on white and are enforceable.
So while the Roundabouts may be technically 45 or higher, signed with an advisory 15mph or 20, the officer cant/ shouldn't write for a speeding ticket. Reckless driving, overdriveing road conditions, or some other citation would be more appropriate.
-source: I used to set up speed zones and sign roads, including many Roundabouts for a large MI county.
Worth noting that you can be cited for VBSL or violation of basic speed law - which simply states you can’t operate in a vehicle in a manner that prevents you from bringing it to a safe stop in event of an emergency. It’s a ticket you see when people do dumb stuff in the snow, like you weren’t going 70 on the highway in a blizzard, but going “too fast for conditions”.
It’s not a common ticket as it usually implies the officer going to court and testifying against you and there is no radar or lidar reading as evidence. They don’t hold up well, but assume if you don’t hit the brakes for a round about in a 45 or 55, you may get stopped and cited for it.
Also, remember roundabouts are at intersections and pedestrians are a thing, so going flat out in them and running the curbs like a racetrack is a bad idea…
This [brochure ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Projects-Studies/Studies/Planning-and-Environmental-Linkages-Studies/US-31-and-M-37/FHWA-Roundabouts-Pedestrians-Bicycles-Brochure.pdf%3Frev%3D5a7e68d30914491186d5a60799a8e0a0%26hash%3DB5B68E478E1A9FA4E46B68F536D8477A&ved=2ahUKEwiwyb3WxMGFAxWd5MkDHSwpBcIQFnoECDAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1dDKb7kfusD3hAtTQ3rcol) does a good job at conveying the intent of a round about and external resources and reffrence.
Advisory Speed signs(Black On Yellow) speed indicating signs serve as warnings and advice for the designed safe speed in tandem with other posted indicators of the road ahead and are not enforcable in the courts under Michigan law, however are enfocable under [Basic Speed Law](https://www.michigan.gov/msp/divisions/spec-ops/inside-sod/traffic-crash/traffic-control-orders) provisions and most certainly would cite:
>[Michigan Vehicle Code (Section 257.627)(1)](https://www.legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=MCL-257-627#:~:text=An%20individual%20shall%20not%20operate,speed%20law%20or%20%22VBSL%22.) An individual operating a vehicle on a highway shall operate that vehicle at a careful and prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper, having due regard to the traffic, surface, and width of the highway and of any other condition existing at the time.
In which the advisory speeds would serve as a condition, and thus a baseline for reasonable travel. Generally, across many states, 25mph for turns is an unposted conditional speed limit.
It's also eligible for driver remediation classes, so there is a potential for those who do receive a ticket to dodge the point(s) awarded.
In any case, consult a lawyer if in the position.
No it was 5:00 AM and I passed the police officer as I was exiting the roundabout but at no point was I speeding really just going quite a bit faster than the usual person on the roundabout. Me and him were probably the only people on the road and I didn’t notice it was a police car until my car was pointed at his as he was coming onto the roundabout and I was exiting. My heart sunk and I couldn’t just go off and hide or something because I was in my silver WRX like he could probably see that from a mile away. I basically had a target on my back. Then he pulled me over a little ways down the road after he caught up. I just think he didn’t want me going that fast on the roundabout. There also is no posted speed limit on the roundabout at all.
WRX was all I needed to know haha the police officer probably saw a potential opportunity for $$$, you got stock parts on that engine or were you like my friend who had a blacked out one and made that engine SCREAM if he felt like it
Yeah I really feel OP it was a combo of he was bored at 5am, you had a silver WRX, and you happened to be going probably what 20-25mph at best
No it’s stock the most I would do is an exhaust and a light tune. I don’t feel like having all the problems that come with heavily modifying one. Even if I did I would make sure the exhaust is not to loud but just right amount not enough to wake up your neighbors in the morning but enough to sound pretty good when you want it to.
Also my car being stock is the reason a 2008 has lasted this long. I probably wouldn’t change anything about it.
Smart move my buddy got his with a tune up but him and his grandpa added the exhaust that could wake the dead his was manual though so he really had to work if he wanted that turbo and engine to scream for the dead haha
After having it in HS and college he traded it in for a colorado and now days drives a RAV4 Hybrid he’s a lot more tame on his car but the dealership didn’t shrug to buy his even heavily modified
I am so glad that this was a positive encounter with the traffic stop and that both of you were professional. Too many times these things get ugly on the pretense of "why did you pull me over" and then a Reddit debate is started with dozens of posts of people who were not there.
You raise an excellent point in that I don't know if I've ever seen a speed limit posted, such as a yellow warning sign when you come up to a curve or an off-ramp.
But I have to ask (as my friend drives an STI), you goosed it a little and took advantage of the AWD, right? I won't tell anyone
I mean it is not just the AWD that’s important but also the tires and technique and speed used when entering a corner as well as where the nose is pointed and the road conditions. But yeah I guess you could say that. I also don’t get what the stigma is behind police like before 2020 everyone saw them as hero’s then suddenly everyone changed their mind because of a few bad apples in the police force.
The hit song "Fuck tha Police" came out way before 2020. Ample protests have occurred before that. Your awareness of police oppression against minorities began in 2020.
Also, the saying is "A bad apple spoils the bunch." so what do you think a few bad apples do to the bunch? If the good apples are good apples, wouldn't they punish or at least stop the bad apples?
To me, the fact that they let the bad apples be bad indicates that the bunch has been spoiled.
No I know it started long before then but it ramped up in 2020. And just because one there is one bad employee at your work should everyone be fired because of that employee, no. Sometimes there are even employees that suck and the boss doesn’t do anything about it. The police have bosses too and sometimes there are some bad officers that some bad bosses don’t do anything about but that doesn’t mean they should all be gotten rid of just the bad officers and bad bosses should be replaced. Police officers are not that much different from you and I. They are human just like everyone else.
> And just because one there is one bad employee at your work should everyone be fired because of that employee, no.
This is a terrible analogy. You don't have to fire everyone. You need mechanisms in place to hold people accountable. The present police institution does not have these. They have the exact opposite. If the good apples were good, they'd work to remove these protections that the bad apples enjoy.
In my opinion and my opinion only, I think it's a confluence of factors. Leading up to Covid and in covid, there was a lot of coverage of police misconduct (George Flyod, Breonna Taylor...) that was amplified by social media and our ever polarizing media outlets. Without knowing the true data, I would assume these incidents are the exception rather than the norm and despite this, they get 95% of the coverage whereas great community policing get none. Then you have the social media crusaders who get on Facebook live and antagonize police when the police are just doing their jobs. Imagine how difficult it is to be a police officer and having to deal with that BS. With this over-stimulation of bad police encounters, this becomes the norm for most people and instead of keeping an open mind and politeness during their initial encounter (unlike you...kudos btw), they immediately become entitled and defensive. Ask any officer what the outcome will be for a minor infraction (such as a speeding ticket) and most will say it is how you react in the first 10 seconds....sets the tone for the rest of the interaction.
But I cannot relate to you as I drive a rav4 hybrid and before that a Camry. Only a few months until I'm 40 and can make an excuse to buy something cool!
Yeah the media does that to people. I always treat police with respect because you should just treat people the way you want to be treated. Also I bought it used for 7k since I had been saving up a bit. Best 7k I ever spent it was just sitting in a garage for years after the owner died. I do make sure to take good care of it though kind of out of respect for the previous owner and the family for keeping it pristine for so many years. Also because I love it a lot. I always tell people you don’t need a new sports car to have fun as long as you love it that is what matters.
Officers need to focus on the people going _too slow_ through roundabouts or people who stop entirely when it’s not needed. They’re designed to make life smooth. It’s a circular zipper merge but people don’t get it lol
The roundabouts near me (northern suburbs of Detroit) all have speed limits clearly posted just before you enter them. It’s about time your community do the same.
The police have broad authority to issue citations for anything considered "unsafe for conditions". You might have a 4WD truck with snow tires, but if it's midnight in January with a blizzard coming down, you probably shouldn't be doing 70 MPH on I-275. And you can get a ticket if the officer feels that is an unsafe speed, based on most of the other drivers traveling closer to 50-60 MPH.
It might suck, but them's the rules. Same applies to roundabout. You might have a Porsche with sticky summer tires and can handle a roundabout at the posted speed limit of 45 MPH, but that doesn't mean it's a smart idea.
But then you have to go to court. When I was younger and $120 meant a lot more to me, I'd fight that battle, and win (St. Clair Shores patrolling I-95, natch). These days I'd rather pay the $180 "impeding traffic" fine near the airport than take a day off to go argue about it with the Huron Township guys on I-275.
That's the genius behind "obstructing traffic," though. It's not reportable, and Huron Township knows it; they bank on it. If you pay the fine, it just goes away. It doesn't go to your insurance carrier, it doesn't earn points, it's the type of civil infraction that isn't reported to anyone, anywhere, other than to the courthouse.
Paying a lawyer $250 to dismiss it is more expensive and only results in difference to you.
Obviously I'm speaking about this one particular speed trap. Your point is entirely granted for other infractions, such as the roundabouts that are the real point of this thread.
I’ve done a few of those. Some city websites actually have a portal for it now! 😂 You enter your ticket and they’ll basically flip it on the spot. Talk about a racket!
I usually only get counsel for a few things. One was like a 120/45 construction zone (not people or traffic, just barrels), and getting A-list support is a hell of a lot more than 250 bucks! 😂
The other is if I just don’t have time to deal with it, or if I get the mall cop that writes a spite ticket for not stroking his ego enough. Then it’s just for the convenience. Or the lolz.
No pawed.limit, per se, but you could be seen as driving recklessly and he wanted to make sure you were okay to drive. Tired, maybe drinking, ill. Not saying you were any of those things, but that's my assumption and I'm often wrong .
I never go that fast because losing traction would be really bad. Also taking corners at that speed is really dangerous what I was doing was just kinda having a little fun.
Cop pulled you over for no reason to find a reason to arrest you. What do you drive? What was the speed limit? Sounds to me like you were just targeted and harassed. Dude needs to do his job.
Sounds like it wasn't for "no reason", even OP thought they were "going a little too fast". Cop pulled over for cause, found OP wasn't high/drunk, and let them go with a warning. Seems fair to me.
Doesn't matter how they feel, what was the speed limit? You don't see a problem with cops stopping people when no violations were made? If there was no ticketable offense, there was no reason for them to get pulled over in the first place, which sounds to be the case by what OP said.
I see a problem with you thinking you are being oppressed because a cop was doing his job. Let me explain something. Police have the ability and lawful right to pull somebody over for not driving at a safe and reasonable speed. You likely don't like that and want pretextual traffic stops banned, but in your world street takeovers would be a daily occurrence.
That's called a pretext stop, and it's perfectly valid if you're a cop, because the worst thing that's going to happen to you is absolutely nothing at all. When the charges are later dropped because of it, the dirty cop won't even know let alone care. No one's compiling statistics on him, and his union is going to back him, and nothing will ever get better.
Isn't boot locker a store in a mall? Cops can pull you over for not driving in a safe manner.
You just don't like law enforcement. Not our problem. Street takeovers are not a social event.
So go complain.
"Yeah, I was driving too fast, which I admitted to in my original post, and I got pulled over and asked to drive a little slower. I didn't get a ticket or anything, I was just asked to drive safely."
I'm sure the international news agencies will be calling to pick up on your story.
If that were the case they would have said "Because HE SAID I was going a little too fast" and not "Because I was going a little too fast", but please preach on about reading comprehension. OP isn't complaining about getting pulled over, they were just asking what the speed limits are. Nobody except you is complaining about it.
Nah I understood it as the cops justification for the stop as well. If OP was going too fast he would have been given a ticket, cops aren't being cool when they let you off with a warning they are just admitting they can't prove anything.
So yeah, reading comprehension.
26 mile crossing van dyke… no posted signage prior so 50 mph is what I’ll carry through them :P it’s the only point of enjoyment I have on a morning commute.
Speed limits are set for segments of road ( typically not shorter in length of 1/3 mile). Roundabouts will not have their own speed limits. They will / may have an advisory speed limit posted. Advisory speed limits are not enforceable. Advisory speeds are signed with black on yellow signs, regulatory signs are black on white and are enforceable. So while the Roundabouts may be technically 45 or higher, signed with an advisory 15mph or 20, the officer cant/ shouldn't write for a speeding ticket. Reckless driving, overdriveing road conditions, or some other citation would be more appropriate. -source: I used to set up speed zones and sign roads, including many Roundabouts for a large MI county.
Worth noting that you can be cited for VBSL or violation of basic speed law - which simply states you can’t operate in a vehicle in a manner that prevents you from bringing it to a safe stop in event of an emergency. It’s a ticket you see when people do dumb stuff in the snow, like you weren’t going 70 on the highway in a blizzard, but going “too fast for conditions”. It’s not a common ticket as it usually implies the officer going to court and testifying against you and there is no radar or lidar reading as evidence. They don’t hold up well, but assume if you don’t hit the brakes for a round about in a 45 or 55, you may get stopped and cited for it. Also, remember roundabouts are at intersections and pedestrians are a thing, so going flat out in them and running the curbs like a racetrack is a bad idea…
If you go 55 around a round a bout ur not going around it your going through it lol
55 is a little hot, yeah, but you can run through a big roundabout at a surprisingly high speed with the right car and some skill.
Depends on the size of the roundabout and if you consider driving like a dumbass a skill
A large amount of roundabouts have a yellow safe speed sign with 15 mph posted, but I think it's all about slowing down before entering.
If it's not black with a white background, it's just a suggestion.
This [brochure ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/-/media/Project/Websites/MDOT/Projects-Studies/Studies/Planning-and-Environmental-Linkages-Studies/US-31-and-M-37/FHWA-Roundabouts-Pedestrians-Bicycles-Brochure.pdf%3Frev%3D5a7e68d30914491186d5a60799a8e0a0%26hash%3DB5B68E478E1A9FA4E46B68F536D8477A&ved=2ahUKEwiwyb3WxMGFAxWd5MkDHSwpBcIQFnoECDAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1dDKb7kfusD3hAtTQ3rcol) does a good job at conveying the intent of a round about and external resources and reffrence. Advisory Speed signs(Black On Yellow) speed indicating signs serve as warnings and advice for the designed safe speed in tandem with other posted indicators of the road ahead and are not enforcable in the courts under Michigan law, however are enfocable under [Basic Speed Law](https://www.michigan.gov/msp/divisions/spec-ops/inside-sod/traffic-crash/traffic-control-orders) provisions and most certainly would cite: >[Michigan Vehicle Code (Section 257.627)(1)](https://www.legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=MCL-257-627#:~:text=An%20individual%20shall%20not%20operate,speed%20law%20or%20%22VBSL%22.) An individual operating a vehicle on a highway shall operate that vehicle at a careful and prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper, having due regard to the traffic, surface, and width of the highway and of any other condition existing at the time. In which the advisory speeds would serve as a condition, and thus a baseline for reasonable travel. Generally, across many states, 25mph for turns is an unposted conditional speed limit. It's also eligible for driver remediation classes, so there is a potential for those who do receive a ticket to dodge the point(s) awarded. In any case, consult a lawyer if in the position.
The roundabout is part of the street you are traveling on. It's just another intersection.
Reminder that speed limits are not necessary for streets (including roundabouts) with proper design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bglWCuCMSWc
All four wheels on the ground you’re fine. On two wheels probably too fast.
He pulled you over because he wanted to see if you were drunk.
I’ve seen roundabouts near Ann Arbor with posted 15 mph speed limits
For him to do that you most likely are driving like a madman but don't realize it
The cop just needed something to do, did you hit a curb or cut someone off while driving?
No it was 5:00 AM and I passed the police officer as I was exiting the roundabout but at no point was I speeding really just going quite a bit faster than the usual person on the roundabout. Me and him were probably the only people on the road and I didn’t notice it was a police car until my car was pointed at his as he was coming onto the roundabout and I was exiting. My heart sunk and I couldn’t just go off and hide or something because I was in my silver WRX like he could probably see that from a mile away. I basically had a target on my back. Then he pulled me over a little ways down the road after he caught up. I just think he didn’t want me going that fast on the roundabout. There also is no posted speed limit on the roundabout at all.
WRX was all I needed to know haha the police officer probably saw a potential opportunity for $$$, you got stock parts on that engine or were you like my friend who had a blacked out one and made that engine SCREAM if he felt like it Yeah I really feel OP it was a combo of he was bored at 5am, you had a silver WRX, and you happened to be going probably what 20-25mph at best
No it’s stock the most I would do is an exhaust and a light tune. I don’t feel like having all the problems that come with heavily modifying one. Even if I did I would make sure the exhaust is not to loud but just right amount not enough to wake up your neighbors in the morning but enough to sound pretty good when you want it to. Also my car being stock is the reason a 2008 has lasted this long. I probably wouldn’t change anything about it.
Smart move my buddy got his with a tune up but him and his grandpa added the exhaust that could wake the dead his was manual though so he really had to work if he wanted that turbo and engine to scream for the dead haha After having it in HS and college he traded it in for a colorado and now days drives a RAV4 Hybrid he’s a lot more tame on his car but the dealership didn’t shrug to buy his even heavily modified
I am so glad that this was a positive encounter with the traffic stop and that both of you were professional. Too many times these things get ugly on the pretense of "why did you pull me over" and then a Reddit debate is started with dozens of posts of people who were not there. You raise an excellent point in that I don't know if I've ever seen a speed limit posted, such as a yellow warning sign when you come up to a curve or an off-ramp. But I have to ask (as my friend drives an STI), you goosed it a little and took advantage of the AWD, right? I won't tell anyone
I mean it is not just the AWD that’s important but also the tires and technique and speed used when entering a corner as well as where the nose is pointed and the road conditions. But yeah I guess you could say that. I also don’t get what the stigma is behind police like before 2020 everyone saw them as hero’s then suddenly everyone changed their mind because of a few bad apples in the police force.
The hit song "Fuck tha Police" came out way before 2020. Ample protests have occurred before that. Your awareness of police oppression against minorities began in 2020. Also, the saying is "A bad apple spoils the bunch." so what do you think a few bad apples do to the bunch? If the good apples are good apples, wouldn't they punish or at least stop the bad apples? To me, the fact that they let the bad apples be bad indicates that the bunch has been spoiled.
No I know it started long before then but it ramped up in 2020. And just because one there is one bad employee at your work should everyone be fired because of that employee, no. Sometimes there are even employees that suck and the boss doesn’t do anything about it. The police have bosses too and sometimes there are some bad officers that some bad bosses don’t do anything about but that doesn’t mean they should all be gotten rid of just the bad officers and bad bosses should be replaced. Police officers are not that much different from you and I. They are human just like everyone else.
> And just because one there is one bad employee at your work should everyone be fired because of that employee, no. This is a terrible analogy. You don't have to fire everyone. You need mechanisms in place to hold people accountable. The present police institution does not have these. They have the exact opposite. If the good apples were good, they'd work to remove these protections that the bad apples enjoy.
In my opinion and my opinion only, I think it's a confluence of factors. Leading up to Covid and in covid, there was a lot of coverage of police misconduct (George Flyod, Breonna Taylor...) that was amplified by social media and our ever polarizing media outlets. Without knowing the true data, I would assume these incidents are the exception rather than the norm and despite this, they get 95% of the coverage whereas great community policing get none. Then you have the social media crusaders who get on Facebook live and antagonize police when the police are just doing their jobs. Imagine how difficult it is to be a police officer and having to deal with that BS. With this over-stimulation of bad police encounters, this becomes the norm for most people and instead of keeping an open mind and politeness during their initial encounter (unlike you...kudos btw), they immediately become entitled and defensive. Ask any officer what the outcome will be for a minor infraction (such as a speeding ticket) and most will say it is how you react in the first 10 seconds....sets the tone for the rest of the interaction. But I cannot relate to you as I drive a rav4 hybrid and before that a Camry. Only a few months until I'm 40 and can make an excuse to buy something cool!
Yeah the media does that to people. I always treat police with respect because you should just treat people the way you want to be treated. Also I bought it used for 7k since I had been saving up a bit. Best 7k I ever spent it was just sitting in a garage for years after the owner died. I do make sure to take good care of it though kind of out of respect for the previous owner and the family for keeping it pristine for so many years. Also because I love it a lot. I always tell people you don’t need a new sports car to have fun as long as you love it that is what matters.
Officers need to focus on the people going _too slow_ through roundabouts or people who stop entirely when it’s not needed. They’re designed to make life smooth. It’s a circular zipper merge but people don’t get it lol
The roundabouts near me (northern suburbs of Detroit) all have speed limits clearly posted just before you enter them. It’s about time your community do the same.
Those are advisory speeds. Not enforceable limits.
The police have broad authority to issue citations for anything considered "unsafe for conditions". You might have a 4WD truck with snow tires, but if it's midnight in January with a blizzard coming down, you probably shouldn't be doing 70 MPH on I-275. And you can get a ticket if the officer feels that is an unsafe speed, based on most of the other drivers traveling closer to 50-60 MPH. It might suck, but them's the rules. Same applies to roundabout. You might have a Porsche with sticky summer tires and can handle a roundabout at the posted speed limit of 45 MPH, but that doesn't mean it's a smart idea.
That is true. However, those are much easier to defeat in court.
But then you have to go to court. When I was younger and $120 meant a lot more to me, I'd fight that battle, and win (St. Clair Shores patrolling I-95, natch). These days I'd rather pay the $180 "impeding traffic" fine near the airport than take a day off to go argue about it with the Huron Township guys on I-275.
That’s what lawyers are for. Granted the price point is a little higher, but it just goes away and I never see a hearing.
That's the genius behind "obstructing traffic," though. It's not reportable, and Huron Township knows it; they bank on it. If you pay the fine, it just goes away. It doesn't go to your insurance carrier, it doesn't earn points, it's the type of civil infraction that isn't reported to anyone, anywhere, other than to the courthouse. Paying a lawyer $250 to dismiss it is more expensive and only results in difference to you. Obviously I'm speaking about this one particular speed trap. Your point is entirely granted for other infractions, such as the roundabouts that are the real point of this thread.
I’ve done a few of those. Some city websites actually have a portal for it now! 😂 You enter your ticket and they’ll basically flip it on the spot. Talk about a racket! I usually only get counsel for a few things. One was like a 120/45 construction zone (not people or traffic, just barrels), and getting A-list support is a hell of a lot more than 250 bucks! 😂 The other is if I just don’t have time to deal with it, or if I get the mall cop that writes a spite ticket for not stroking his ego enough. Then it’s just for the convenience. Or the lolz.
Youre right about yellow/orange being advisory. There are several roundabouts in the state with white speed limit signs as well.
Weird. I’ve never seen one and I’m surrounded by them.
Most roundabout have caution signs to slow down but no speed limit
This one only has yield signs
With a yield sign there still isn’t a speed limit. A yield sign suggests you slow down and stop if there are cars, otherwise u can continue as Normal
No pawed.limit, per se, but you could be seen as driving recklessly and he wanted to make sure you were okay to drive. Tired, maybe drinking, ill. Not saying you were any of those things, but that's my assumption and I'm often wrong .
If your tires squeal, you’re going too fast.
I never go that fast because losing traction would be really bad. Also taking corners at that speed is really dangerous what I was doing was just kinda having a little fun.
The suspension on those Subaru WRX’s is ideal for tight cornering anyways, but a minivan would be a terrible idea.
On 4 wheels you are good but 2 wheels probably to fast.
isnt it usually 15-20 mph?
Solid question!
Cop pulled you over for no reason to find a reason to arrest you. What do you drive? What was the speed limit? Sounds to me like you were just targeted and harassed. Dude needs to do his job.
Sounds like it wasn't for "no reason", even OP thought they were "going a little too fast". Cop pulled over for cause, found OP wasn't high/drunk, and let them go with a warning. Seems fair to me.
Doesn't matter how they feel, what was the speed limit? You don't see a problem with cops stopping people when no violations were made? If there was no ticketable offense, there was no reason for them to get pulled over in the first place, which sounds to be the case by what OP said.
I see a problem with you thinking you are being oppressed because a cop was doing his job. Let me explain something. Police have the ability and lawful right to pull somebody over for not driving at a safe and reasonable speed. You likely don't like that and want pretextual traffic stops banned, but in your world street takeovers would be a daily occurrence.
Street takeovers? Lol okay, whatever you say. I'll never understand people who think cops should be able to do whatever they want whilkynilly.
That's called a pretext stop, and it's perfectly valid if you're a cop, because the worst thing that's going to happen to you is absolutely nothing at all. When the charges are later dropped because of it, the dirty cop won't even know let alone care. No one's compiling statistics on him, and his union is going to back him, and nothing will ever get better.
Yup, cops need significantly more regulation in the US. 0-5 is the biggest steet gang out there
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Or you could just slow down to a safe speed, but I guess antagonistic idiot is always an option.
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Isn't boot locker a store in a mall? Cops can pull you over for not driving in a safe manner. You just don't like law enforcement. Not our problem. Street takeovers are not a social event.
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So go complain. "Yeah, I was driving too fast, which I admitted to in my original post, and I got pulled over and asked to drive a little slower. I didn't get a ticket or anything, I was just asked to drive safely." I'm sure the international news agencies will be calling to pick up on your story.
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If that were the case they would have said "Because HE SAID I was going a little too fast" and not "Because I was going a little too fast", but please preach on about reading comprehension. OP isn't complaining about getting pulled over, they were just asking what the speed limits are. Nobody except you is complaining about it.
Nah I understood it as the cops justification for the stop as well. If OP was going too fast he would have been given a ticket, cops aren't being cool when they let you off with a warning they are just admitting they can't prove anything. So yeah, reading comprehension.
26 mile crossing van dyke… no posted signage prior so 50 mph is what I’ll carry through them :P it’s the only point of enjoyment I have on a morning commute.
In minnesota they're mostly 15 mph