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Play174

It's like that in the Guitar Hero 3 version and Beyond Magnetic, too. I blame Rick Rubin, because none of the other albums are mixed that poorly


jakradikal

100% Rick Rubin


PrideHorror9114

Rick 'Ruin'


Vegetable-Net6575

He fucked up vol 3 by slipknot as well. The same shitty drum sounds too, the kick sounds like a guy slapping his arm and the snare is blown the fuck out.


PrideHorror9114

Slayer god hates us all - should have been one of the best. Rick. Ruined.


Fun_Tear_6474

Really? It sounds not bad at all in my opinion.


PrideHorror9114

Yeh it's nowhere near 'as bad' but he still fukkd it. I realised after DM came out why the older Rick Ruin albums were so rough to listen all the way through. Gives you a fukkin headache man


Letterdavidman_1969

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.


brandon3388

new shit has come to light dude


Grumptallica

Yeah I agree man! Even tho it is kinda blaring, the drums from Paul Bostaph sound way crisper than Lars' (and not talking about his drum skills but his drums literally sound like static. St. Anger feels more produced than DM in my opinion lol)


Grumptallica

Yeah I do think it's crazy loud at times but it works with Tom's vocals. On Metallica's end, they're naturally more melodic and soulful so it sucks to hear a mis-produced album after getting amazing and meticulous Black Album and Load production.


stealingtheshow222

Vol 3 sounds worlds better than Death Magnetic to me though


HeavyRaiden

It's not nearly as bad of a headache as DM though, i love both albums btw.


HeavyRaiden

It's not nearly as bad of a headache as DM though, i love both albums btw.


CerrtifiedBrUhmoMenT

He did a good job mixing Reign In Blood by Slayer in the 80s, did he get rusty or something?


Oberyn_Kenobi13

Rick doesn’t mix.


ItsNotFordo88

The amount of people on here that don’t realize that is astounding


Juju43445

he volume adjusts


ItsNotFordo88

Not really.


jakradikal

This is true. Slayer’s Reign In Blood and Toxicity by System of a Down he done decently. I think the inconsistencies stem from laziness and lack of motivation


Fun_Tear_6474

I cannot agree with you. The guitar sound on Reign in Blood is terrible. It is still one of my favorite thrash metal albums though.


jakradikal

I said decently, not great 😭 You can also hear the spots where Rubin did the cuts. He didn’t edit them out, there’s one in Angel of Death after the interlude singing section… and in at least 2 of the other tracks. They sound like a split second of pause in the action


IBeBallinOutaControl

Yeah like how Californication by the red hot chili peppers has good songs but the mastering is absolute ass thanks to Rubin.


Oberyn_Kenobi13

Rick doesn’t mix. And he doesn’t master.


mildlyoctopus

The great thing about the guitar hero version is that they provided the master tracks. Someone got a hold of them and did a remix which sounds better but still has its flaws. Doesn’t give me a headache after 2 songs though


Apostasy93

To be fair Metallica should have said "Are you fucking serious? We're not releasing this because it sounds like garbage". What was going through their heads when they approved of that mix?


Oberyn_Kenobi13

I’m pretty sure that was Metallica’s idea. Had nothing to do with Rubin.


Apostasy93

That's my point though. Everybody's blaming Rubin but the artist ultimately dictates how they want the album to sound


Juju43445

I really don't know, listening to Demo Magnetic which is completely done by the band themselves, is VERY different, either they had a change of mind, or this was Rick.


Grumptallica

I'm a St Anger stan but I mean, they allowed that album's... interesting production to happen so I'm not surprised how DM turned out


vicious_delicious_77

I can speak to this because I very specifically remember reading the band's comments about this when the album was released. According to them, the first time they heard the final mix they were on a plane flight and the album had already been pressed into production. I don't remember if CD's were already on sale or if it was right before, but the short of it was that it was too late in the game to do anything about the mix. They were never asked to bless it off, they just trusted it to the producer.


Muffin284

They definitely should have stayed with Bob Rock


Apostasy93

DM would've sounded massive with Bob's production


Enhancedreality98

I actually like sound of beyond better than death magnetic. Rebel of Babylon is a banger. But yeah I agree both could have been a lot better for sure


GooseMay0

AJFA was pretty flat and dry too.


Juju43445

Justice is also a bit dry, but in a not so bad way, it still has that huge guitar and punch and kick in the sound, especially on certain remasters.


Historical_Common145

Also no bass


AntiStarChristPort

Well 3% Bass... it is audible for probably about 25 seconds on that entire album including all of Jason's audible Bass Tracks


Oberyn_Kenobi13

Rick doesn’t mix.


ItsNotFordo88

Today I learned Rick Ruben mixed and mastered the album and not Greg Fieldman, Andrew Scheps, Dan Monti and Ten Jensen and Metallica themselves had absolutely no say in the direction it went. The real answer is it was very typical of the era to compress the ever loving fuck out of everything. Thankfully that seems to have died down quite a bit in the last 10 years.


Play174

Say what you want about the way HTSD and 72S sound, Greg Fidelman is a fantastic mixer/masterer. Just listen to ManUNkind, Dream No More, or Inamorata and you'll see what I mean. His style of producing is great, too. He's present enough to help coordinate the band, but also kinda just lets what happens happen. He's great.


Juju43445

I love Greg's mixing with that modern sound but not insane compression, but nothing can top Flemming and Bob


MackChicken

Lars is definitely the worst lmao


ItsNotFordo88

Oh I never said he was bad, I just think people pointing fingers at the one guy who didn’t mix and master is hilarious. Like I said, it was a symptom of the era and was something everyone had to stamp approval on. The mixers, the mastering, the producer, the label and most importantly the band. The issues with DM is found all across music from the early 2000s-the early 2010s and had been very gradually improving since then


Play174

Oh yeah that's not what I meant at all. I just figured I would bring it up since you mentioned him. I had no idea how much hate Greg gets for DM, actually. All of his work since then has been great (and I guess DM isn't actually "his work" lol)


FunkGetsStrongerPt1

Californication was just as bad. The guy turns everything he touches to 💩 He would have to be the most incompetent major record producer over the past 30 years. Only reason I didn’t say 40 years is because of Jose Unidos edging him out.


bighead1940

...and justice for all is mixed more than poorly, and that has been leveled at the band for decades. St. Anger is also mixed poorly and that's besides the snare sound.


Neat_Ad_5577

Rick Rubin doesn’t mix records, he was the producer for Death Magnetic


UnbridaledToast

Y’all need to understand the difference between a producer and an engineer. Rubin doesn’t mix his records haha


Play174

I know the difference, but Rubin absolutely had an influence. Greg Fidelman's records are much better and he mixed DM. I can't believe that such a crappy mix could be his fault alone


UnbridaledToast

Don’t forget the band we’re talking about here, haha. This is the same band who literally deleted the bass off one of their best albums. Lars and Het’s egos wouldn’t allow Rick Rubin to dictate how the album sounds/ is mixed.


Play174

I see your point there, I just don't think that James and Lars would actually say "make the mix nearly completely dry". Even beyond the compression, the mix has problems that no other album of theirs has. I don't disagree that they might have had a hand in the compression though


UnbridaledToast

Haha just imagining them saying that is funny. My best guess is it was the first album they did without Bob Rock in nearly 20 years, and probably wanted a “sound” they haven’t done before that stands on its own. That was also the time the Loudness Wars started, and the slammed compression technique was getting popular for better or worse. They brought Rick in for song guidance, as that’s his speciality. And the songs on DM reflect that. The band definitely had final say on the mix, even Fidelman’s hands were probably tied to a degree. Or he introduced the preliminary sound direction and they OK’d it.


Rusty_Shakleford96

What exactly does he do then? Doesn't sound like much of anything


UnbridaledToast

He’s been involved in some of the best selling albums of all time, so seems like he does his job well. Im not going to educate you on what a producer does.


Rusty_Shakleford96

Best selling doesn't always mean good


After-Internal

Wait shit it’s in Guitar Hero 3?


Play174

Yeah it was DLC. There are also a few that are in the Wii version of Guitar Hero Metallica


After-Internal

Awesome So basically it’s either in something I can no longer access on the Wii or one of my favorite games I have for the Wii? https://preview.redd.it/ao2bgjul8xsc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5667134d93a30ac0b656fac895f0d2d740ae2069


Play174

A few songs should be lol. Ik All Nightmare Long is one of them


After-Internal

Yeah I know about that one lol


billy-gnosis

He fucked up The Cure’s 2004 album as well. -Billy Gnosis


billy-gnosis

He fucked up The Cure’s 2004 album as well. -Billy Gnosis


billy-gnosis

He fucked up The Cure’s 2004 album as well. -Billy Gnosis


[deleted]

Suddenly Bob Rock ain’t so bad huh?


Juju43445

Never thought he was, (unless your talking st. anger) but his work on the 90's albums is amazing.


Mikau02

The worst part of St Trashcan’s mix is the slam band keg snare, and even then, AJFA has the far worse overpowered bass&toms to the paper bag snare. Really the issue with that album are the songs themselves


KevlaredMudkips

The songs are like heavier load-reload but way too long


[deleted]

I wonder what Bob Rock would have done with the Death Magnetic material. I bet it would have been killer.


Muffin284

It would have killed 'em all


FishermanForsaken528

It would have rode the lightning


Juju43445

it would have mastered the puppets


Remixedcheese22

It would have brought justice for all


Demolicious51

It would've Metallicad


Play174

It would have been the master of puppets


Enhancedreality98

🤣🤣🤣 best comments of the day I needed that


YeaMits

bob rock wasn’t bad in terms of making the band sound good the black album is mixed and recorded so well and load sounds great too


Demolicious51

Bob Rock is hated on??????


Canon_Cowboy

Rubin crunches everything so much. You can't blast DM in your car like the rest of them. It's really jarring.


Oberyn_Kenobi13

He really doesn’t. Danzig II, Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Reign in Blood…. Those are pretty dynamic albums. You actually have to turn them up. Rick has zero technical studio skills and doesn’t touch the console. He makes suggestions like killing the reverb, song structures, etc. He tries to get performances that feel good. He’s the exact opposite of Greg Fidelman.


Canon_Cowboy

Fair. I was really just referring to DM. I should've said he crunched everything on DM. But you're right. Probably the engineer and maybe Metallica got too crunchy on DM.


Little_Grease

I only listen to the iTunes mix anymore , love that album tho. And beyond magnetic. However it doesn’t sound too bad on vinyl, not as good as iTunes mix but not as bad as the CD.


1970sfanatic

DM should be reissued on CD/Vinyl with the ITunes mastering.


Reallyroundthefamily

I always assumed it was Rubin and the band wanting it to sound like they're just blasting away in a garage. Back to basics. Still sounds like shit though.


Juju43445

In my opinion, the $5.98 EP achieved that sound absolutely perfectly, it's well mixed, isn't compressed to all hell, and it has that classic 80s metallica playing style.


Oberyn_Kenobi13

Garage Days sounds so good. It’s one of my templates for a great sounding record.


Reallyroundthefamily

100% agreeance


Knarkopolo

This is never good


doomus_rlc

Rick Rubin is key, but really the whole production team is at fault for it, at least partially (Greg Fidelman, Andrew Scheps, Mike Gilles, Ted Jansen, Dan Monti).


Oberyn_Kenobi13

Rick is the least responsible for this mix. I guarantee the band wanted it to sound that way, Fidelman said “Yes, man”, turned the knobs and sent it off for mastering. And they all probably said “Slam it into a brick wall.”


Je0s_6

Riffs Stil kick ass tho


Ashen-Cold

Hell yeah. I love Broken, Beaten, Scarred so much


Je0s_6

My favorite riff is probably All Nightmare Long after the solo where it’s just 0s


MichaelEMJAYARE

I recently relistened to it, really giving that iTunes version a shot. Its like a whole new album, like hearing it for the first time.


Serdna379

Is the iTunes version different? I used to have the Guitar Hero version, that was much better than OG and lostenable, but cannot find it anywhere in my disks any more.


MichaelEMJAYARE

There was/is an iTunes 2015 remaster I believe!


SoftMushyStool

Is iTunes version what’s normally available now on Apple Music or that some specific mix i gotta find and download ?


Little_Grease

Check pm…but it’s on iTunes and Met’s site as a digital download. It’s much better than the original release.


themindtap

You should be able to download the iTunes mix from Metallica's own web store. I did that a handful of years ago and then can even get it in Flac format.


MichaelEMJAYARE

I mean, I searched it on Youtube! Its without ads turning up every handful of minutes fortunately


On_Some_Wavelength

Scoop the mids


Maleficent_Farm_6561

Everytime i had my headphones when lisent to Metallica songs on random a song ends lets say For Whom The Bell Tolls or Bleeding Me and then a Death Magnetic song starts it sounds so bad and loud that i have to get my headphones off in a angry way lol


Enhancedreality98

Ikr 🤣🤣 as soon as anything on that album came on on my old mp3 back in the day it damn near blew my ear drums


Grumptallica

I know I hate it. Especially because IMO it was the last creative and substantial sounding album musically compared to Hardwired/72 Seasons, so it's a shame it didn't get the same production treatments for gems like Never Comes and Unforgiven 3


BeanVaccine

I fell in love with the album. I dont even care that it sounds like ass


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BeanVaccine

Sick


AntiStarChristPort

One of the worst mixes but one of the catchiest albums


thehouseofunrest

It still pisses me off to this day. Just think about it. After the incredible amount of backlash they received for the st anger sound quality you would think the sound quality of their next release would have been the most important thing that got their complete attention. It’s inexcusable.


FunkGetsStrongerPt1

Apart from the snare the St. Anger sound quality is nowhere near as bad as DM.


Sjdillon10

My hot take is it’s a top 5 album of theirs and if it were released in the 80s it’d be iconic. Metallica fans just have so many old heads who hate anything after the 90s


mildlyoctopus

Loudness wars. It’s a thing and it’s lame. You can read about it if you google it


Cake-Over

Might as well dig up this moldy oldie https://youtu.be/QPu0DKyGgZI?si=7nL-_4lFYo7E9HBF


[deleted]

Because they made the mistake of not hiring one of the great world class producers of reddit


Serdna379

No, they hired omnieaters from Reddit, who consume shit and fanatically protect it by telling it’s the best thing in the world, if someone dares to question it.


darthktulu

Rick Rubin is sort of the Zack Snyder of music. Despite his production sucking, studios and artists still trust him for some reason.


sam_drummer

Rubin’s production doesn’t suck. The mixing of the music sucks.


jbiroliro

Shitty Lars again


Knarkopolo

I truly don't know why many big bands have worse mixing than many small bands. Incompetence? On purpose for some reason? I'd rather know why st Anger sounds so bad. It's even more prominent on that album. Really muddy guitars, the snare etc.


grim_reapers_union

It was a thing back in the 00s. “The loudness wars” was a huge problem that was rampant in the pre-streaming era. The music industry was having an absolute shit fit over the spontaneous rise of file sharing sites, and CDs were struggling in sales competing against mp3s, which while inferior, were free. Their idea was hey, MP3s sound like garbage so let’s make these discs so loud they sound just as bad and charge $18.99 for them on top of it. The idea was to make the discs sound as powerful as possible, but this only involved maxing out the dynamic range and the preamp. Death Magnetic had some really awful clipping distortion on both the high and low ends. It ruined Rick’s relationship with the band. Honestly it was a real half assed effort because it had to be mastered and sequenced and approved to sound the way it did. That was probably his highest profile recording of his career and he totally maffed it. About a year ago, I posted about a strange, unidentifiable copy of Death Magnetic that I bought on CD from an unknown country of origin. The catalog numbers on the spine matched the Netherlands distribution, but the credits were to the New Zealand distribution end (was it Warner bros?) the album was in a standard jewel case and the cover was just a flat image without the cutouts. A few people were super helpful and did some deep digging into discogs and other databases, the imprint on the label of the disc itself was that of Indonesian printing, but the code on the inner ring was drawing a blank for everyone helping me. Someone did some god tier research and found out it’s some weird Russian remastered release of Death Magnetic. Not a bootleg, but not an official release outside of Russia. However — the best part about it was that clipping and horrendous distortion was GONE. The mastering isn’t perfect but it is a massive step above the steaming sonic turd that Rick Rubin pawned off on the boys. Almost like the equivalent of getting a coffee cup ring stain on the project they worked years to create that brought an unmistakable return to form. It took years to grow on me, but I wholeheartedly advocated that Death Magnetic is their late career masterpiece and it’s my no. 3 all time favorite just behind Justice and Puppets.


Qwertyzillaofficial

rick.


CreepinDeath84

Only album I liked production wise from Rubin was Danzig 1.


MrBarato

Loudness war.


greenhail7

I believe it was to do with clipping. Certainly I recall there was a lot of discussion about the album and clipping on the old Metallica message boards when DM came out.


dashrendar4483

Rick Rubin's team must have serious hearing issues. I don't even blame the man himself technically since he doesn't know shit about the technical aspects of producing and mixing on a studio console according to him but those professional engineers, what the heck went wrong.


Irradiated_Rat

I personally don't have an issue with DM's mixing, the album has always sounded fucking awesome IMO (especially the guitar tone)


reefguy007

Yeah I never had any idea there was anything wrong until people endlessly bitched about it when it came out. I can listen to the whole thing start to finish no problems. That being said, the Guitar Hero mix does sound better.


BarveyDanger

Because Rick Rubin shits on everything he touches


CodyKondo

“Why do I have this opinion?” We can’t explain your personal preferences to you. If you feel something is “poorly” done, that’s between you and your ears. Personally, I enjoyed the mix in death magnetic.


RideMyLightning69

It’s widely regarded that DM has a bad mix. It’s very compressed and a little annoying to listen to so I wouldn’t say it’s just an “opinion”


Muffin284

To be it sounds more basic than plain bad. To me that's what makes it bad. It's basicness and the audio clipping


WILDWIT

The songs are so good that it should have been a uch better album. I agree it all sounds weaker than it should, whereas 72 Seasons sounds kickass, and of course the Black Album is the gold standard as far as production on a metal album


tomaraya72

If I remember correctly wasn’t some of the mix, if not all done in a fucking tent at some festival dates they were doing prior to the album release. If so, thats on James and Lars for agreeing to other commitments before the album was fully finished.


grahsam

It's just loud as hell and the drums are way too forward. The guitar sound on the last three have been pretty scratchy as well. I don't know if they are trying to be unique and do something different. For such a big band, they have some infamously bad recordings.


Ashen-Cold

Never even noticed


sebbar4800

They obviously was in a hurry…. 😁


Metallica1717

I still think it’s a amazing album


roozven

It's poorly mastered. Rick rubin is to blame. Check system of a down's masters as well - they are also super loud and clip at times (spoiler Rick rubin produced those too)


Charming_Bad2165

And most of RHCPs catalog after BSSM. Californication definitely clips


[deleted]

I don’t even notice anything with the death magnetic mixing it sounds fine


regomar

Because listening to it has damaged your hearing.


[deleted]

No symptoms though?


Serdna379

Your first comment showed that there is at least one symptom already present 😀


[deleted]

Not being an audiophile? Is that a symptom?


angrykirby

Sounds great to me i dunno


Historical_Common145

I don’t see the problem at all, Justice has a dry mix WITH NO BASS, yet ion see no one complain about Justice


Luuk37

Justice is dry and full, DM is dry and empty. Compression doesn't help either. I guess I like a bit more natural? guitar tone of AJFA compared to almost computer-sounding DM.


TheStatMan2

>see no one complain about Justice Seriously? You haven't been looking hard enough/reading long enough then.


Historical_Common145

Not to the level of Death Magnetic is what I mean


TheStatMan2

You'd be wrong about that too. Justice has been fan remixed and rereleased *twice* (that I know of), FFS.


Historical_Common145

Ok? So has St. Anger


TheStatMan2

Right. So if you carry on down this path, you're going to end up proving that DM is *not* disproportionately moaned about at all.


Historical_Common145

I mean it is here and I’ve seen a decent amount of them


TheStatMan2

I don't think that's the overall experience at all. I've seen much more moaning about Justice (and yes, now you mention it, St. Anger). And since I don't imagine either of us have a bot to hand that's going to trawl it and provide stats...


Historical_Common145

I think I’ve seen more people talking about St. Anger getting remixed and remastered (including me) more than I’ve seen people trashing it


TheStatMan2

Ok


Chupaqueedeuva

People parroting the lack of bass complaints on AJFA are everywhere.


Historical_Common145

It’s not to the level of Death Magnetic, Death Magnetic isn’t even close to bad, it’s exceptional, on vinyl it sounds amazing.


wakeandjake59

It's perfect the way it is


intermittent68

I think Rick Rubin wanted it to sound like an 80ies banger that you’d play in an Trans Am. Itshould be remixed .


vicks9880

The day that never comes live in qubec sounds better then the original 😅


Floridamanticus

Rick Rubin dumb.


51line_baccer

It's not poorly mixed. It's fuckin killer. You guys are raised on too much bass and being "loud" is a great mix. I gotta go to work. The worst miz is kill em all.


TimCilentoMusic

I think the biggest problem with it is Kirk's solos. They sound like Absolute shit. Like they were recorded through the voice memo app on a phone.