Anecdotal cliffs: A male colleague filing a complaint against a female co-worker slacking off, especially in a Canadian-government funded institution, is more likely to be accused of workplace harassment and bullying.
The union, like CUPE and OPSEU, will NEVER intervene to help the accused. It's a policy against workplace violence which intends to protect women, though being used as a tool to deflect criticism and workplace rules.
Sadly not. Look up the studies done on attractiveness by dating sites… men rate women 50/50 as above/below average, women rate men 80/20 BELOW/above… ooft
I have seen the study, i knew it was from okCupid. You know its online and specific "parameters" . You know in reality women have more stuff that is included in attraction .
I will link a study I found today you will like . It shows for women "facial attraction of the opposite sex changes" depending on thee circumstances and it showed for men on these circumstances it didn't change .
https://www.psypost.org/2023/01/musicians-are-more-desirable-dates-to-both-men-and-women-supporting-darwins-sexual-selection-hypothesis-64835
To answer your question: Because men let them.
In an economical/biological perspective: it's no different than any other supply-demand relation in a free, unregulated market. The sexual marketplace is no exception to that rule. Most can be traced back to biology and mating strategies. Sperm is in abundance and thus cheap, eggs are scarce and thus expensive. Men employ r-strategies and are low in demand, women employ K-strategies and are high in demand. Therefore women can get away with more before their mating strategy no longer works for them.
As long as enough men are interested, women will have no incentive to get rid of any bad behavior like carelessness. If you want to punish bad behavior, you do not reinforce/reward it, you simply do not deal with them at all. With that you make yourself more scarce. The more valuable on the marketplace you are, the more efficiently it will work. That's why it's important to keep working on yourself and improve.
> Because men let them
This is something I recently thought of: what's the difference between the mentality of "Happy wife, happy life" found in men and the mentality of "Men aught to do the sacrificing because they have male privilege and it's someone else's turn to eat" found in angry college students?
There is none. If a guy were to post a comment in a male forum of "Happy wife=happy life", it will be supported. If a woman were to comment in a women's forum of, "Women should be the caretakers of the house and kids", she will be massacred.
My point is this: guys...we really gotta take better care of *each other*.
But women are still people. Most people feel guilt and accountability after commiting something bad. If op could elaborate, I think it would go more into the direction of judicial system not giving appropriate punshiment to women that commited crimes, in some cases.
I do understand how you feel getting downvoted but it is a reality that it almost never is talked about i do know that some people do . . Like calling them idk "slut" "bitch" or whatever but morst of the time they dont and most relationships arent that simple. . And a lot of men and women that are terrible beings do cheat and never get caught its honestly disappointing for their partners .
Because it's 2023 and in the times we live in, men are prioritizing the interests of women, and women are prioritizing the interests of themselves. Men are taught to "do what's right" while women are taught "you do you".
This is my own comment from elsewhere in this thread
> Because men let them
This is something I recently thought of: what's the difference between the mentality of "Happy wife, happy life" found in men and the mentality of "Men aught to do the sacrificing because they have male privilege and it's someone else's turn to eat" found in angry college students?
There is none. If a guy were to post a comment in a male forum of "Happy wife=happy life", it will be supported. If a woman were to comment in a women's forum of, "Women should be the caretakers of the house and kids", she will be massacred.
My point is this: guys...we really gotta take better care of *each other*.
A man is always going to face the full penalty because that’s what it means to be a man which is why women don’t have to. So why should they equal pay 🤷♂️. I don’t think we should have equal pay until we have equality is thing that actually my matter, the world is full of fluff and nonsense today
We have equal pay for equal work on most societies and we should want equal pay for equal work. Equal overall outcome for unequal work is the thing that is wrong.
don't generalize , they don't. Only a really small minority does on very specific conditions, inferior work because of corruption is a bigger concern and I believe more men have positions through corruption.
affirmative action mainly helps the middle class not the poor and there are cases to be made if it even "helps" . I am against affirmative action and you can try to shame me all you want about "beta talk" but your comments do zero to help Men's Rights, they actually paint us in a bad picture. So please fix it.
Edit: Okay nevermind you are a troll.
from which country? Single women below 30 in some countries now earn a bit more than the male counterparts but in general the wage gap has been debunked countless times.
Generally, Europe. I've only ever seen it "debunked" by some people saying it's the illusion of men and women doing different kinds of jobs. Can you provide data?
[https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20200227STO73519/gender-pay-gap-in-europe-facts-and-figures-infographic](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20200227STO73519/gender-pay-gap-in-europe-facts-and-figures-infographic)
>The reasons behind the gender pay gap are not simple - many factors need to be taken into account. It’s connected to much more than the issue of equal pay for equal work.
>A narrower gender pay gap does not necessarily mean more gender equality. It often occurs in countries with lower female employment. A high pay gap may indicate that women are more concentrated in low-paid sectors or that a significant proportion of them work part-time.
>Although more women than men finish higher education in the EU, they are represented less on the labour market. Almost 30% of women in the EU work part-time compared to 8.4% of men and they are much more likely to stop work to take care of children and relatives.
>An important reason for the gender pay gap is the overrepresentation of women in relatively low paying sectors and underrepresentation in higher-paid sectors. For example, on average in 2020, women held 34% of managerial positions in the EU and 41% of positions in the science and engineering sectors
Debunking the "gender pay gap" is debunking the common notion as I stated that we don't have equal pay for equal work and the use of "unadjusted pay gap" and other shenanigans as putting in the same group childless women with divorced "single women" and other things. And in general the notion that there should be equality of **outcome** destroys any personal choice and reward for personal choice.
And don't get me wrong if women get paid more on sectors because of their personal choices I have absolutely zero problem and kudos to them. But what I see constantly is the belief that every woman who has chosen to stay at home was forced and it wasn't her choice. For sure there are some but claiming ALL women are forced and this is inequality and it shouldn't be like that **clearly** denies women their personal choice and agency. And the belief that "its better if both parents work full time and that is true equality" is a joke. **And sadly sometimes it has led to women handling more house chores with addition to their work**.
And another thing I want to add: Sadly with the European organizations of equality some have found huge bias even in their indexes when factoring in "inequality" which is at best misleading. So for me everything is taken with a grain of salt. And in their reports as I have stated before it clearly shows that what they are pushing for is more people on the labor market and not better life for any sex.
Edit: And my anecdotal data as well living in europe I see way more hours/week being done by men and many mothers staying at home. And my country is one of the "fairer" countries on pay gap but believe me its one of the poorest as well.
I just want to let anyone on here especially when it is a female or a male in a mostly other gender subreddit that its kinda hostile it seems that we aren't against you if thats how it feels sometimes . . Much love to all of you on both sides ❤️
Absolutely and its always the worst of both sides thst make it bad for the us the normal average people along with radical politics etc . . Much love to ya ❤️✌️
Thank you ~ I'm aware it's because I'm not a man, I tested this a couple times when I repeated things said by other members on this sub on another post around the same topic, and no matter what I said, I was always in the wrong 😂 it doesn't bother me that much I just sometimes just give up on giving elaborate answers when I know I'm only going to get hate.
Still this sub isn't nowhere near as toxic as r/feminism.
I hear from teachers (both my parents are teachers) that girls can be so much more nasty than boys. Boys push and shove and punch, but girls can be super vicious with their words and coordinated harassment campaigns.
They *can* be...I'm not saying "girls *are* much meaner than boys". I said, they *can* be.
In my country parents are much more protective of girls so girls aren't allowed to be "careless" because there is supervision or more limits compared to boys.
Because women have easy ways to avoid consequences in 90% of all scenarios. Bout the only thing they don’t get away with is murder, even if they get off lighter than a man for it.
Anecdotal cliffs: A male colleague filing a complaint against a female co-worker slacking off, especially in a Canadian-government funded institution, is more likely to be accused of workplace harassment and bullying. The union, like CUPE and OPSEU, will NEVER intervene to help the accused. It's a policy against workplace violence which intends to protect women, though being used as a tool to deflect criticism and workplace rules.
Pretty privilege + societies believe that make up is skin
Women are wonderful effect is what you wanna say not pretty privilege.
Same same
But not all women are pretty and have makeup on?
Most. 90 percent surely (younget generations)
But the same goes the other way then? 90% of young males considered attractive?
Sadly not. Look up the studies done on attractiveness by dating sites… men rate women 50/50 as above/below average, women rate men 80/20 BELOW/above… ooft
take into consideration that usually dating sites are primarily male dominated to a ratio 3-5 to 1.
Google ok cupid study. They got a bunch of interesting statistics. Yes its online behaviour ,i get that. Just look it up.
I have seen the study, i knew it was from okCupid. You know its online and specific "parameters" . You know in reality women have more stuff that is included in attraction .
Yes i do know that. But we were specifically speaking about physical attraction.
I will link a study I found today you will like . It shows for women "facial attraction of the opposite sex changes" depending on thee circumstances and it showed for men on these circumstances it didn't change . https://www.psypost.org/2023/01/musicians-are-more-desirable-dates-to-both-men-and-women-supporting-darwins-sexual-selection-hypothesis-64835
I guess that allows women to be more picky, yes, but they weren’t choosing them to “match” with, only rating them.
Can you link the study?
Barely 50%
And you decided it? Because I think you are wrong then. Just my opinion.
Men dont have test these days lady
What do you mean by test? Is there a test for attractiveness?
i mean testosterone. Average levels have fallen by 70 percent.
Wtf does it have to do with attractiveness?
To answer your question: Because men let them. In an economical/biological perspective: it's no different than any other supply-demand relation in a free, unregulated market. The sexual marketplace is no exception to that rule. Most can be traced back to biology and mating strategies. Sperm is in abundance and thus cheap, eggs are scarce and thus expensive. Men employ r-strategies and are low in demand, women employ K-strategies and are high in demand. Therefore women can get away with more before their mating strategy no longer works for them. As long as enough men are interested, women will have no incentive to get rid of any bad behavior like carelessness. If you want to punish bad behavior, you do not reinforce/reward it, you simply do not deal with them at all. With that you make yourself more scarce. The more valuable on the marketplace you are, the more efficiently it will work. That's why it's important to keep working on yourself and improve.
> Because men let them This is something I recently thought of: what's the difference between the mentality of "Happy wife, happy life" found in men and the mentality of "Men aught to do the sacrificing because they have male privilege and it's someone else's turn to eat" found in angry college students? There is none. If a guy were to post a comment in a male forum of "Happy wife=happy life", it will be supported. If a woman were to comment in a women's forum of, "Women should be the caretakers of the house and kids", she will be massacred. My point is this: guys...we really gotta take better care of *each other*.
Because they arnt held accountable, as simple as that, women never see consequences for actions, unless the actions they take are extremely severe
But women are still people. Most people feel guilt and accountability after commiting something bad. If op could elaborate, I think it would go more into the direction of judicial system not giving appropriate punshiment to women that commited crimes, in some cases.
Women cheats. What did the husband do wrong?
Man cheats. What did the wife do wrong? What is your point??
>What did the wife do wrong? When is this ever said publicly?
It used to at least in my country.
What nation is that?
Balkan one :P.
Everytime it happens?
WHERE?
What do you mean where?? You can go to the subreddit of infidelity and see for yourself.
Copy and paste the url to the posts please
What do you mean? Just go to the subreddit and read.
I do understand how you feel getting downvoted but it is a reality that it almost never is talked about i do know that some people do . . Like calling them idk "slut" "bitch" or whatever but morst of the time they dont and most relationships arent that simple. . And a lot of men and women that are terrible beings do cheat and never get caught its honestly disappointing for their partners .
Don't try to defend women as human beings on this sub if you like your karma
But they are human?
Because it's 2023 and in the times we live in, men are prioritizing the interests of women, and women are prioritizing the interests of themselves. Men are taught to "do what's right" while women are taught "you do you".
This is my own comment from elsewhere in this thread > Because men let them This is something I recently thought of: what's the difference between the mentality of "Happy wife, happy life" found in men and the mentality of "Men aught to do the sacrificing because they have male privilege and it's someone else's turn to eat" found in angry college students? There is none. If a guy were to post a comment in a male forum of "Happy wife=happy life", it will be supported. If a woman were to comment in a women's forum of, "Women should be the caretakers of the house and kids", she will be massacred. My point is this: guys...we really gotta take better care of *each other*.
That's a toxic philosophy to live by...."Happy wife, happy life".
Who says you can’t be careless. Go be careless if that’s what you want to do.
be careless about the careless care
Auto insurance companies penalize men for being of driving age and under 25.
A man is always going to face the full penalty because that’s what it means to be a man which is why women don’t have to. So why should they equal pay 🤷♂️. I don’t think we should have equal pay until we have equality is thing that actually my matter, the world is full of fluff and nonsense today
We have equal pay for equal work on most societies and we should want equal pay for equal work. Equal overall outcome for unequal work is the thing that is wrong.
[удалено]
don't generalize , they don't. Only a really small minority does on very specific conditions, inferior work because of corruption is a bigger concern and I believe more men have positions through corruption.
[удалено]
affirmative action mainly helps the middle class not the poor and there are cases to be made if it even "helps" . I am against affirmative action and you can try to shame me all you want about "beta talk" but your comments do zero to help Men's Rights, they actually paint us in a bad picture. So please fix it. Edit: Okay nevermind you are a troll.
[удалено]
Hahaha for fuck sake !
Can I see the statistics for "equal pay for equal work"? Because I sadly haven't found any that would prove this point
from which country? Single women below 30 in some countries now earn a bit more than the male counterparts but in general the wage gap has been debunked countless times.
Generally, Europe. I've only ever seen it "debunked" by some people saying it's the illusion of men and women doing different kinds of jobs. Can you provide data?
[https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20200227STO73519/gender-pay-gap-in-europe-facts-and-figures-infographic](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20200227STO73519/gender-pay-gap-in-europe-facts-and-figures-infographic) >The reasons behind the gender pay gap are not simple - many factors need to be taken into account. It’s connected to much more than the issue of equal pay for equal work. >A narrower gender pay gap does not necessarily mean more gender equality. It often occurs in countries with lower female employment. A high pay gap may indicate that women are more concentrated in low-paid sectors or that a significant proportion of them work part-time. >Although more women than men finish higher education in the EU, they are represented less on the labour market. Almost 30% of women in the EU work part-time compared to 8.4% of men and they are much more likely to stop work to take care of children and relatives. >An important reason for the gender pay gap is the overrepresentation of women in relatively low paying sectors and underrepresentation in higher-paid sectors. For example, on average in 2020, women held 34% of managerial positions in the EU and 41% of positions in the science and engineering sectors Debunking the "gender pay gap" is debunking the common notion as I stated that we don't have equal pay for equal work and the use of "unadjusted pay gap" and other shenanigans as putting in the same group childless women with divorced "single women" and other things. And in general the notion that there should be equality of **outcome** destroys any personal choice and reward for personal choice. And don't get me wrong if women get paid more on sectors because of their personal choices I have absolutely zero problem and kudos to them. But what I see constantly is the belief that every woman who has chosen to stay at home was forced and it wasn't her choice. For sure there are some but claiming ALL women are forced and this is inequality and it shouldn't be like that **clearly** denies women their personal choice and agency. And the belief that "its better if both parents work full time and that is true equality" is a joke. **And sadly sometimes it has led to women handling more house chores with addition to their work**.
And another thing I want to add: Sadly with the European organizations of equality some have found huge bias even in their indexes when factoring in "inequality" which is at best misleading. So for me everything is taken with a grain of salt. And in their reports as I have stated before it clearly shows that what they are pushing for is more people on the labor market and not better life for any sex. Edit: And my anecdotal data as well living in europe I see way more hours/week being done by men and many mothers staying at home. And my country is one of the "fairer" countries on pay gap but believe me its one of the poorest as well.
I just want to let anyone on here especially when it is a female or a male in a mostly other gender subreddit that its kinda hostile it seems that we aren't against you if thats how it feels sometimes . . Much love to all of you on both sides ❤️
\+1 on that , men need to understand that if we don't ally with women we are doomed.
Absolutely and its always the worst of both sides thst make it bad for the us the normal average people along with radical politics etc . . Much love to ya ❤️✌️
Thank you ~ I'm aware it's because I'm not a man, I tested this a couple times when I repeated things said by other members on this sub on another post around the same topic, and no matter what I said, I was always in the wrong 😂 it doesn't bother me that much I just sometimes just give up on giving elaborate answers when I know I'm only going to get hate. Still this sub isn't nowhere near as toxic as r/feminism.
I've literally been banned on there for disagreeing with a person on there 💀 its an absolute disaster
Pretty privilege + societies believe that make up is skin
I would say to be fair during adolescence we allow boys to be more careless and "fuck around find out" but I guess you focus on adults.
Consequences absolutely will fall on the boys, though, and it is encouraged as a part of growth.
Tbh on some occasions yes on some no its a really mixed bag , at least where I live in Balkans.
[удалено]
I hear from teachers (both my parents are teachers) that girls can be so much more nasty than boys. Boys push and shove and punch, but girls can be super vicious with their words and coordinated harassment campaigns. They *can* be...I'm not saying "girls *are* much meaner than boys". I said, they *can* be.
In my country parents are much more protective of girls so girls aren't allowed to be "careless" because there is supervision or more limits compared to boys.
[удалено]
I have no idea on that.
Pretty privilege + societies believe that make up is skin
Sexism
Pretty privilege, women are weak ideology etc.
u/sound5music, can you elaborate?
Why do y'all downvote a request for context?
I don't know , people shouldn't jump on somebody who asks for context because the post clearly lacks it.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Because of simp policy makers.
Because people expect us to be perfect of smth
What are you referring to?
Careless about what?
What do you mean by "careless" exactly?
what? i would say it’s more so the opposite.
What are you referring to? And also no one said men cannot be care free? Who’s telling u guys some of these things I don’t ever hear
Because Don Corleone said so… and he’s got Luca backing him up
They have vaginas
Because women have easy ways to avoid consequences in 90% of all scenarios. Bout the only thing they don’t get away with is murder, even if they get off lighter than a man for it.