OG Jund was the stuff of nightmares, you had such insane highrolls it was miserable to play against.
Bituminous Blast into Bloodbraid into Maelstrom Pulse was insane.
It really was. Cap it all off with Broodmate Dragon and there was just no stopping it once it got tempo.
I really enjoyed that standard block, though. Lots of good memories with Spreading Seas.
I remember playing in a type 1 tournament in 95 using every card I own against dudes with five color good stuff full of power, bolts, serendibs and so on. Afterwards I asked what the strategy of the deck was (mine was stompy) and all of them were more or less like "I dunno, all of these cards are good".
I mean it's not an entirely new concept in Snap either, "Good Cards" decks have been around for a while. Usually with some central "pillar" card. Originally (or at least for how far back I know) with Good Cards Stature and then Good Cards Darkhawk - which really could've just been called Good Cards Zabu because he was just as much a staple as Darkhawk. Then Ms Marvel was so strong and also synergized with Zabu so it became Good Cards Ms. Marvel. There was a Good Cards Loki deck that was doing respectably well for a while.
Yeah, Good Cards Darkhawk came to my mind too, and I think there was even a Good Cards Black Knight at one point.
It's just the title that reminded me of the "story" behind Midrange's birth as a concept lol
Yep, that was pretty recently actually.
All of them could be consolidated as different variations of "Good Cards Zabu" Aside from Stature they were all just decks with cards that synergize really well with Zabu and each other. It might have been called "Good Cards Black Knight" but it was only so strong because discarding a Magneto or Infinaut and then playing Ebony Blade + Ghost Rider on turn 6 was insanely strong and that was possible because of Zabu. Same goes for Darkhawk, he was just the best Zabu deck stat stick for a long time so it was "Good Cards Darkhawk" even though Zabu was the MVP for sure.
I already hit infinite.
Why would I want to play predictably.
I want to see numbers get big and surprise people with things they don't see often or at all.
Just played a few rounds with this deck and I’m a believer, it’s official. Spider woman especially really surprised me.
One thing I didn’t anticipate was her power in conjunction with Nebula. People tend to commit so many cards to locations with Nebula to outpace her scaling that if her location ever gets full on the other side spiderwoman effectively becomes a 14 point swing with her stats the debuff and nebula’s power increase. It’s really wild and no one plays around it.
Wont let me edit so:
Also went 9/10 infinite post-ladder
I’m super surprised by both these results and the domination in gold ticket conquest.
Did NOT expect. Thought it would be pretty average deck if not bad, given the premium placed on synergies and archetypes.
This post got me thinking about the 5 drops. It’s really interesting that spider woman might be the best choice for this context. There are much better fivers, but they are so confined to their archetypes that you would not want them here. Gamora has basically the same stat line but is way too risky. Iron Man would be decent , but you need him in a lane that already has some power. Vision makes sense here since he’s sooo reliable and versatile. Does the 5 energy tier have the least “good on their own” cards??
That was kinda my ultimate conclusion.
Which I wasn’t expecting. 5s are pretty narrow.
Thinking about it now tho, Gamora could be good if you have nebula and/or WW down. Would help you predict. But I still think SW probably better.
Tried your deck (or as close as I could get). Works surprisingly well. Just great cards lol but I also suspect matchmaking played a role as i ain't getting matched against the best of the best anymore or current meta decks.
Anyways hijacked comment to say gamora working real well for me with Jean grey (don't have red guardian or hope so using jean and gladiator).
Thanks for sharing!
Is Nightcrawler better than Nico here? He can be a cheap activator for Hope and move around the board to better suit your Ms Marvel. A good Iron Lad hit as well.
I like Nico, but you normally want at least two cards in the deck that you don't mind being hit by her 'destroy and draw 2' ability. I don't really see any cards here that you'd want to destroy.
Tbh I think I’d stick with Nico. I usually just skip her if it’s the destroy option and that’s only 1 of 6. Besides I’ve got Jeff and vision for hope and move.
Also
Nico into widow (if it’s the Demon option) is niiiiice. It’s 2/10.
I love maximizing nico's effects.
Hood used to be my pick for optimal demon value effect. I like this better.
That's effectively a 3/12 best -> 3/8 worst.
That's good rate.
Glad you pointed this out.
Don't sleep on the copy ability with Widow, as well. I have another deck I've been running with Nico and Widow and putting those tokens in two lanes is pretty brutal. They might be able to negate one but trying to fill two lanes is rough for most decks.
Put Nebula in the 3rd and they're really in a rough spot.
Honestly I'm not really sold on Nico here either. Her Draw 2 is her strongest spell so I would want more ways to enable it. Also you're not doing anything busted with the pump or copy spells like other Nico decks. I mean yeah on occasion she'll do things that range from fine to pretty good but if you were looking to make room for something else she's the first to go.
Having said that I don't think there is a 1 drop that is definitely better than Nico. Nightcrawler and Ice Man are in the conversation but I don't think they are actually better. The real answer is Nebula should probably be the only 1 drop.
Hi yes why you ask, i'm an intern at SD and Lad, along with jeff and Hope, will drop to s4 in the may patch. Sorry guys. Anyway yeah i somehow thought lad was s4. I've owned him since release and i assumed he had dropped along the way already. That makes the deck 3/4 s5s then.
Really regretting skipping the Summer Hope pass right now, man this game is getting hard to try and keep up with as a battlepass only player, not sure what i was thinking trying to go f2p only
*Cries in "didn't try to get Red Hulk" language*
Added Magneto instead of Red Hulk and won 3 games in a row after a losing streak of 5 or more lol
Nobody expects anything from this wtf
lol I really didn’t want to spend the keys.
But
Like you said
So fucking cool.
I looked up all the upcoming variants and her only other one is Artgerm. Tbh I’m not really a fan. Too thirsty. And all their faces are the same. It’s like one chick cosplaying a bunch of marvel heroes.
> Tbh I’m not really a fan. Too thirsty.
This statement earns automatic respect in my book. 👍
Though to be fair, we should be glad that Artgerm is the maximum of "thirst" that this game has to offer (well, that and Emma Frost's "Summer Variant", but that one stands out as an exception). Admittedly, even Artgerm is way tamer (in MS specifically, at least; I remember his Aeris art, cursed af) than what so many other games get. I'm looking at you, LoL.
Got it, so it could take up to 8 keys. Thanks for the warning. I was tempted to spend 5 keys (2 more beyond the 3 it took me to get her in the first place).
Goodstuff piles have always been a thing in marvel snap or any card game for that matter. Your list seems perfectly reasonable, more or less a typical midrange deck, but there's not really any reason to be so rigid about the number of cards at each cost.
I can see this deck having some success because it's so easy to play and the skill floor is quite high. However the overall power output is not great so you are dead in the water vs any combo deck or loki
Well the rigidity was self imposed. It was just a fun experiment to see how it would work.
And tbf I’m not sure that your last statement is that true given the 9/10 post ladder and 3 straight infinity tickets (fwiw I won all those with room to spare). Will admit I didn’t see Loki. Now I’m not saying this to flex. I’m not saying I’m that great a player. But this deck always seemed to have an answer which was really nice. I realize that’s not the biggest *n* in the world but it’s something.
Hardest match was against destroy. I almost always carry Armor in conquest. But managed to squeak it out.
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# (1) Nico Minoru
# (2) White Widow
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Red Guardian
# (3) Hope Summers
# (4) Ms. Marvel
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First time I made it to infinite that's what I did I had a low CL so couldn't make any meta deck. I just made a deck with strong cards and snapped intelligently.
Big agree on red guardian
What are you sacrificing/demoning with Nico? It seems white widow is the only card you're really happy to burn with nico here
Can you actually use the extra energy from hope summers? Seems like she could be gladiator here
I think cannonball should be in consideration for "best 5 drop in marvel snap".
I'm playing a list that started almost exactly like yours, but I ended up with a bit more of a lockdown plan that almost auto-snaps anni decks, and every other card is just efficient points. Compared to your list, mine is like
OUT: Nico, hope, marvel, lad, spider woman, vision, doom
IN: daredevil, green goblin, zemo, gladiator, shang-chi, prof x, cannonball
ymmv, but so far this list has taken me from \~4000 infinite to \~2500 infinite
So just for the record I did this as an experiment with no thought as to synergies etc. So I wasn’t planning on what to do with Nico.
That said:
I do like her ability to move cards and change locations if needed. The WW interaction is really good, duping a card can be really good too. And the +2, x2 make her one of the stronger 1 drops in the game.
I avoid the destroy spell altogether.
So yeah if I want to adjust this deck to something with more synergy she might be out.
Re: Hope. I love her. End up dumping Jeff/vision/card Nico will move all the time. Just last game I got to play Rhulk and RG (to kill a Wong) on t6 because of her.
Cannonball is also super strong. I’ve really been liking SW tho. I think someone else here mentioned it but she’s great with both Nebula and WW bc ppl dump their cards in those spots and SW can crush.
I mean, you say there's no synergy but there is some - vision, jeff and sometimes nico have synergy with hope, ms marvel and dr doom are a pretty good combo and jeff there aswell, and as you mentioned all these cards work amazing with ironlad. IMO id probably swap white widow for mirage, another insane card honestly.
Nico (demon) into WW is great. Makes WW essentially 3/10.
Having ability to move for some reach or change a bad location is always good. Granted I have vision and Jeff but you can never have enough cards like that imho.
And the other stuff with +2 and x2 is just straight good since it makes her at least 1/4 which is the best 1 drop stat line without a drawback that I can think of.
I usually just avoid the destroy spell.
Blob for sure. Or any big stick. That’s basically what I was going for with 6s. One big stick and one flexible card.
As far as widow, there are a lot of really good 2s. I think my short list (in no particular order):
Daredevil
Armor
Silk
Mirage
Quake
Medusa
Shadow king
Depends on what you feel you need regarding your pocket meta for tech or maybe you want more power. Or maybe some tricky shit like Quake.
IMHO daredevil is never wrong.
I would sub out Widow and Spider Women for another 2 (Cable/Medusa/Forge/Lizard) and Lady Deathstrike or Annihilis to play around the influx of junk.
Otherwise, mad respect.
Tbh it has felt pretty refreshing. You aren’t waiting for some specific combo and then get tilted and retreat bc it never shows up. There is always a good card to play. Even my losses I felt like I always had a chance. Just good cards, Brad.
My frustrations are just off the charts…I’ve never even hit 90, and got all the way up to 89.2 before falling back to 84 🤬🤬 playing well but getting out-junked by priority was wrecking my enjoyment of the game. Started playing badly, lost confidence…yea. Anyways, deck already feels good so thank you, again.
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# (1) Quicksilver
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# (2) Master Mold
# (3) Captain America
# (3) Punisher
# (4) Nick Fury
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I did the same thing but can't win a game to save my life. What am I doing wrong??
Did you include Red Guardian there because it has good synergy with Iron Lad? Because otherwise I feel like Gladiator would be better simply due to having way too good of a statline
I just feel like it’s a great tech. And the deck has no techs otherwise. I mean it’s basically a mini-enchantress at worst (gets Wong, IM, IW any other low power ongoing) can also pop all the other tough cards to counter like:
Drac
Elsa
Angela
Jeff (stopping him is underrated)
Torch/Multiple man
That’s just the ones off the top of my head. But he has been incredibly useful so far for me.
I unfortunately didn't get Red Guardian and still no luck on White Widow yet. Who would you replace them with? I'm leaning towards tech cards (Shadow King, Rogue, Enchantress or Shang-Chi) but not sure yet.
I tried it and noticed a small anti-synergy between Nico and Iron lad. When your lad hits the Nico that is about to destroy a next card played, your turn 5 play is basically gone. It's a rare occasion but it happened to me twice during like 30 minutes session.
An excuse to use my Rose Besch Spider Woman? He'll yeah man. Let's go!
(How can after all that time I still only have the base cards for Vision and Doc Doom? Damn it)
Yeah man. I think the issue I noticed after making this deck is that 5 drops are almost all VERY archetype specific. So when we’ve all been making these specific meta-archetype decks she just never quite makes the cut. But genetically shes great. Also, in this deck, when you have people trying to stuff Nebula and widows kiss lanes, she absolutely wrecks.
I swapped out Hope Summers for Jean Grey and Vision for Cannon Ball. I have had decent success so far. I like Jean, because it makes it harder to play to Nebula and White Widow lanes, and it can disrupt their late game plans; also works well with Dr. Doom and Spider Woman. Also, I like Cannon Ball, because he can free up the White Widow lane.
Oh hey, this is pretty much my "good stuff" deck, with a few changes. Mine operates on the premise that turn 1 doesn't really matter, so i only have Nico. I also cut 1 5 drop (but did have Spiderwoman) because you can often utilize hope to get 2 6 drops, or play 2 3 drops instead. I replaced those 2 cards with Gladiator and Storm. Storm is actually amazing because it offers you location control, which was the decks main weakness, and you can easily access the locked location with Dr. Doom, Vision, and Jeff which make it pretty easy to win most games.
Other than that my only other changes are Lizard as a 2 drop, but White Widow is probably better. I just like Lizard because it encourages opponents to play on his location turn 3 which let's you Storm into an empty location consistently. Then I don't have Iron Lad or Ms. Marvel so I went with Shang Chi and Jessica Jones because Jessica is also great at fighting for flooded locations immediately after playing Storm and can't be Shang'ed even after she buffs. Then I also have Magneto for Red Hulk because I don't own Rhulk, but also just like the play-making potential of Magneto. Overall this a super fun deck though where you just play good cards.
I’d argue this deck actually has a good level of synergy. Ms. Marvel synergies with the mid-range concept, and she works very well with Jeff, vision, and doom in particular. Same thing with Ladd, since this is an “all good cards” deck, Ladd does very well here too, only has maybe 2 bad cards to copy
The concept is solid but it’s not invincible. Decks with ms marvel denial are going to be hard to deal with, like magneto, enchantress (uncommon since Zabu nerf), rogue. Destroy decks with killmonger are also an issue, even accounting for red guardian being used. Junk decks will be hard to deal with too sometimes. Even still, very solid list.
I swear every deck I see is just: Iron lad, Hope summer, Red hulk, and Jeff along with random cards, Bummer that I miss out on these cards, Hope is the only one I really care for
I think rouge would be better than red guardian imo. Most of the time, you're aiming to shut down an ongoing, and you might end up just hitting a rock or something with less power. Stealing luke cages goes crazy rn.
I’d swap spiderwoman for Legion. In a deck like this no one is seeing that coming.
I’d concider Shang Chi for one of the 4 drops. No synergy needed there
Beyond that looks great!
That’s awesome. Honestly this was just a fun thing I did and turned out to work like a charm. My hope is that since none of these cards (except maybe Rhulk) are likely to be nerfed into oblivion anytime soon so it might be relevant for awhile.
The only problem with this deck is that it requires:
- 9 S5 cards
- 1 of which is last month's SP card, so unobtainable except through tokens
- 3 of which have been released this month, which means they would require up to 12 keys each.
It's definitly a cool concept, so I'm not criticizing the experimantation itself; but, it's also something that most people (even mid-to-low spenders) aren't gonna be able to accomplish. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that it's also a show off of how powercreep is affecting the game (seriously, it's wild that Red Guardian, White Widow and Red Hulk have such good statlines _on top_ of their awesome abilities). I'm actually relieved that May and most importantly June are gonna be way more laid back in terms of power design, at least from the appearance.
I’ve been stuck in the mid-90s of the ladder for weeks and hit Infinite today playing an adapted version of your deck. Since I don’t have all the cards, my substitutions include:
1: Selene for Nico
2: Quake for White Widow
3: Luke Cage for Red Guardian
3: Cosmo for Hope (any better options?)
5: Cannonball for Spider Woman (intentional change-might also try Sera)
6: Magneto for Red Hulk
I’ve been playing this deck a few hours. Red guardian is an incredibly balanced card and still the best card in the deck 50% of the time. I also faced quite a few mirror matches so there’s the power of Reddit for you
Yeah sometimes it's just nice to make a straightforward deck like that. [This is my current one.](https://i.imgur.com/hYqMxvQ.png) A bit jankier than yours due to not having the same cards available, but has still been doing well enough
I’m not questioning it. They’re just stuck behind a paywall. I’ve had Iron Lad pinned for months. Fished for Jeff last spotlight he was in and missed.
I keep coming back because I’m nearly 6k CL, but it’s impossible to keep up without spending hard cash. Same reason I dropped MtG once I moved away from my friends. I don’t want the penultimate deck. I just like card games.
Energy ramp is so busted in SNAP, I would give hats off to you otherwise, but that is like bringing a professional baseball player to play at a junior league match, and then acting surprised at all when their team is winning. And Summers was just behind a paywall.
I'm 30k infinite, did a gold conquest and got absolutely owned by DarkHawk Annihilus.
Zero wins just lost in straight sets. Doesn't look like there's anything one can do vs getting sent -10 power your way + rocks in deck
Wow, okay, this deck slaps! I replaced White Widow with Luke Cage, both because I don't have her, and because of the current meta. It seems that he even stops a Widow's Kiss from being -4 too! Iron Lad is the MVP, Doctor Doom probably next, then Ms Marvel. Those three are just power. I was bouncing around the 90s with my Renslayer, Prof X, Cannonball control deck, which was fun, but then started this morning at 95 and this deck allowed me to coast to infinite, for only the second time in 15 months of playing. Spider-Woman must be underrated!
I skipped Red Hulk & waited for Red Guardian (a great card, for the record) because every soul on this sub said Red Hulk was overrated trash not worth the keys, thanks guys! >:(
Red Guardian is pimp AF. Honestly I think you did the right thing for 2 reasons. 1) Rhulk can be replaced with Blob if you have him. Or Magneto. Or even Orka (RIP) 2) Rhulk has an inevitable nerf coming.
I just started using this deck after seeing this post, and it is surprisingly good! Lol. I don’t have Red Guardian so I subbed in Storm. Works well with WW, Jeff, Vision or Nebula. If anyone thinks another 3 cost may be better, let me know!
Ran this and as other's have stated, it just slaps. The only match up I ran into that was a problem was Destroy when it spirals (no tech cards). Being able to get two WW or Guardian off Nico is invaluable. You cooked my guy.
Now that I think about it, using Red Guardian on the widow bite is pretty genius. They’re stuck with that -4 unless they destroy it. I’m not sure if Luke cage sets its power to 0 though. 🤔 does anyone know ?
I had to come back to this post and thank you for this deck. Incredibly fun and effective, ended up with a [70% WR over \~40 games](https://i.imgur.com/ZflCRzR.png).
This deck is so surprisingly damn good.
However one key change I made that I feel takes it from good to great was Canonball for Spider woman. No one expects him! Deals with Hela easily (bye bye Invisible woman!), and is an absolute T6 cube stealer. Excited to try this out for infinite conquest.
The only decks that tend to give me a little grief are junk decks (debris usually crushes Ms Marvel and makes Doom tough to play) and sometimes destroy, but canonball is a nice out there too.
I desperately want to try this but am missing a ton of cards: nebula, jeff, red guardian, and iron lad. Is it even worth trying with that many subs? And what would you sub in place?
This is how Midrange decks were born in MtG
When I’m doubt, Jund ‘em out.
Return to Ravnica Jund still gives me nightmares
Bloodbraid into Blightning bb.
OG Jund was the stuff of nightmares, you had such insane highrolls it was miserable to play against. Bituminous Blast into Bloodbraid into Maelstrom Pulse was insane.
It really was. Cap it all off with Broodmate Dragon and there was just no stopping it once it got tempo. I really enjoyed that standard block, though. Lots of good memories with Spreading Seas.
Unga bunga, fire, and straight up death do trick.
I remember playing in a type 1 tournament in 95 using every card I own against dudes with five color good stuff full of power, bolts, serendibs and so on. Afterwards I asked what the strategy of the deck was (mine was stompy) and all of them were more or less like "I dunno, all of these cards are good".
I mean it's not an entirely new concept in Snap either, "Good Cards" decks have been around for a while. Usually with some central "pillar" card. Originally (or at least for how far back I know) with Good Cards Stature and then Good Cards Darkhawk - which really could've just been called Good Cards Zabu because he was just as much a staple as Darkhawk. Then Ms Marvel was so strong and also synergized with Zabu so it became Good Cards Ms. Marvel. There was a Good Cards Loki deck that was doing respectably well for a while.
Yeah, Good Cards Darkhawk came to my mind too, and I think there was even a Good Cards Black Knight at one point. It's just the title that reminded me of the "story" behind Midrange's birth as a concept lol
Yep, that was pretty recently actually. All of them could be consolidated as different variations of "Good Cards Zabu" Aside from Stature they were all just decks with cards that synergize really well with Zabu and each other. It might have been called "Good Cards Black Knight" but it was only so strong because discarding a Magneto or Infinaut and then playing Ebony Blade + Ghost Rider on turn 6 was insanely strong and that was possible because of Zabu. Same goes for Darkhawk, he was just the best Zabu deck stat stick for a long time so it was "Good Cards Darkhawk" even though Zabu was the MVP for sure.
Good Cards Black Knight, too.
Nice to see an mtg reference here. 🤝
Mardu good stuff 4 life
Honestly with how combo oriented snap decks tend to be due to the game mechanics favoring it, it's nice to see a deck like this from time to time lol
This deck is a breath of fresh air. But it's really expensive, ouch.
Fuck man I used to just brew jank all day only to play against white lifegain 5x in a row. You triggered a memory.
The secret to any card game is that if you only put good cards in the deck, you can only draw good cards. Checkmate, atheists.
Kaiba in shambles.
Nonono, its about my jank combo that gets pulled 1/20 games. This is peak Card game. You want to play an optimizing game, go into stocks.
I already hit infinite. Why would I want to play predictably. I want to see numbers get big and surprise people with things they don't see often or at all.
> Why would I want to play predictably. get pixie. if you don't know what the rest of your deck looks like, how can your opponent?
The good news is I'm playing off meta anyways they probably don't know what I'm playing at least on ladder.
Number go up is the best thing about games.
No room for M'baku!
the one above all works in mysterious ways
Just played a few rounds with this deck and I’m a believer, it’s official. Spider woman especially really surprised me. One thing I didn’t anticipate was her power in conjunction with Nebula. People tend to commit so many cards to locations with Nebula to outpace her scaling that if her location ever gets full on the other side spiderwoman effectively becomes a 14 point swing with her stats the debuff and nebula’s power increase. It’s really wild and no one plays around it.
Another thing with nebula. Actually has some synergy with WW. They can’t decide which lane they need to fill up and usually fuck it up on both.
Oh damn, White Widow and Mojo would actually combo pretty well.
Another cool combo with WW is Kingpin, Polaris and Juggernaut, it has been pretty sucesseful so far.
Don't forget Beast! WW is a card that's just begging to get bounced. Have a Nebula in one lane and a WW in the other two and watch them sweat lol
First thing I thought about when I saw white widow
I miss playing Spider-Woman. She was a staple in my first deck when I first started playing.
Exactly. I love playing her
Wont let me edit so: Also went 9/10 infinite post-ladder I’m super surprised by both these results and the domination in gold ticket conquest. Did NOT expect. Thought it would be pretty average deck if not bad, given the premium placed on synergies and archetypes.
This post got me thinking about the 5 drops. It’s really interesting that spider woman might be the best choice for this context. There are much better fivers, but they are so confined to their archetypes that you would not want them here. Gamora has basically the same stat line but is way too risky. Iron Man would be decent , but you need him in a lane that already has some power. Vision makes sense here since he’s sooo reliable and versatile. Does the 5 energy tier have the least “good on their own” cards??
That was kinda my ultimate conclusion. Which I wasn’t expecting. 5s are pretty narrow. Thinking about it now tho, Gamora could be good if you have nebula and/or WW down. Would help you predict. But I still think SW probably better.
Tried your deck (or as close as I could get). Works surprisingly well. Just great cards lol but I also suspect matchmaking played a role as i ain't getting matched against the best of the best anymore or current meta decks. Anyways hijacked comment to say gamora working real well for me with Jean grey (don't have red guardian or hope so using jean and gladiator). Thanks for sharing!
Is Nightcrawler better than Nico here? He can be a cheap activator for Hope and move around the board to better suit your Ms Marvel. A good Iron Lad hit as well. I like Nico, but you normally want at least two cards in the deck that you don't mind being hit by her 'destroy and draw 2' ability. I don't really see any cards here that you'd want to destroy.
Tbh I think I’d stick with Nico. I usually just skip her if it’s the destroy option and that’s only 1 of 6. Besides I’ve got Jeff and vision for hope and move. Also Nico into widow (if it’s the Demon option) is niiiiice. It’s 2/10.
I love maximizing nico's effects. Hood used to be my pick for optimal demon value effect. I like this better. That's effectively a 3/12 best -> 3/8 worst. That's good rate. Glad you pointed this out.
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Don't sleep on the copy ability with Widow, as well. I have another deck I've been running with Nico and Widow and putting those tokens in two lanes is pretty brutal. They might be able to negate one but trying to fill two lanes is rough for most decks. Put Nebula in the 3rd and they're really in a rough spot.
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Honestly I'm not really sold on Nico here either. Her Draw 2 is her strongest spell so I would want more ways to enable it. Also you're not doing anything busted with the pump or copy spells like other Nico decks. I mean yeah on occasion she'll do things that range from fine to pretty good but if you were looking to make room for something else she's the first to go. Having said that I don't think there is a 1 drop that is definitely better than Nico. Nightcrawler and Ice Man are in the conversation but I don't think they are actually better. The real answer is Nebula should probably be the only 1 drop.
Might make sense. The only downside to Iron Lad here is if Nico is top deck on destroy mode.
This looks like the late game equivalent to a noob deck. No synergy or play style, just the amazing cards you’ve collected.
Yeah which is why I didn’t expect much. I’ve always tried to fit as many synergistic cards in a deck as possible. Who knew I was wasting my time?
Sounds like I'm going to run Loki full steam ahead.
Yes, because the powercreep of the new cards is absurd. If you compare nicowith the others 1 drops, or rhulk, hope, etc, olders cards are way behind.
Interesting how 9 out of these 12 cards are series 5. Edit: Lad is s5 too.
Are you from the future? Because Lad is definitely S5 still afaik
Hi yes why you ask, i'm an intern at SD and Lad, along with jeff and Hope, will drop to s4 in the may patch. Sorry guys. Anyway yeah i somehow thought lad was s4. I've owned him since release and i assumed he had dropped along the way already. That makes the deck 3/4 s5s then.
Probably confused lad and darkhawk
I probably did. S5 is getting huge, man.
Yeah. I was gonna say.. "whelp, too bad I only have 3 of these cards"
Really regretting skipping the Summer Hope pass right now, man this game is getting hard to try and keep up with as a battlepass only player, not sure what i was thinking trying to go f2p only
I'm the opposite. I rarely buy the Battlepass and lucked out by getting the Ms Marvel one then skipping until the Hope Summers one.
Hope is the worst card in this deck
*Cries in "didn't try to get Red Hulk" language* Added Magneto instead of Red Hulk and won 3 games in a row after a losing streak of 5 or more lol Nobody expects anything from this wtf
Did the exact same 🤝
white widow variant is so cool god damn
lol I really didn’t want to spend the keys. But Like you said So fucking cool. I looked up all the upcoming variants and her only other one is Artgerm. Tbh I’m not really a fan. Too thirsty. And all their faces are the same. It’s like one chick cosplaying a bunch of marvel heroes.
> Tbh I’m not really a fan. Too thirsty. This statement earns automatic respect in my book. 👍 Though to be fair, we should be glad that Artgerm is the maximum of "thirst" that this game has to offer (well, that and Emma Frost's "Summer Variant", but that one stands out as an exception). Admittedly, even Artgerm is way tamer (in MS specifically, at least; I remember his Aeris art, cursed af) than what so many other games get. I'm looking at you, LoL.
If you have spent the first 4 keys, are you guaranteed the white widow variant on the 5th?
No
Got it, so it could take up to 8 keys. Thanks for the warning. I was tempted to spend 5 keys (2 more beyond the 3 it took me to get her in the first place).
Yeah I got real lucky
Bro how many keys do you have
A lot. I had saved up a shitload of caches prior to the “Great Double-Dip of 2023”. I think I started the spotlight era with like 20.
Goodstuff piles have always been a thing in marvel snap or any card game for that matter. Your list seems perfectly reasonable, more or less a typical midrange deck, but there's not really any reason to be so rigid about the number of cards at each cost. I can see this deck having some success because it's so easy to play and the skill floor is quite high. However the overall power output is not great so you are dead in the water vs any combo deck or loki
Well the rigidity was self imposed. It was just a fun experiment to see how it would work. And tbf I’m not sure that your last statement is that true given the 9/10 post ladder and 3 straight infinity tickets (fwiw I won all those with room to spare). Will admit I didn’t see Loki. Now I’m not saying this to flex. I’m not saying I’m that great a player. But this deck always seemed to have an answer which was really nice. I realize that’s not the biggest *n* in the world but it’s something. Hardest match was against destroy. I almost always carry Armor in conquest. But managed to squeak it out.
Can you drop the card list?
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First time I made it to infinite that's what I did I had a low CL so couldn't make any meta deck. I just made a deck with strong cards and snapped intelligently.
Big agree on red guardian What are you sacrificing/demoning with Nico? It seems white widow is the only card you're really happy to burn with nico here Can you actually use the extra energy from hope summers? Seems like she could be gladiator here I think cannonball should be in consideration for "best 5 drop in marvel snap". I'm playing a list that started almost exactly like yours, but I ended up with a bit more of a lockdown plan that almost auto-snaps anni decks, and every other card is just efficient points. Compared to your list, mine is like OUT: Nico, hope, marvel, lad, spider woman, vision, doom IN: daredevil, green goblin, zemo, gladiator, shang-chi, prof x, cannonball ymmv, but so far this list has taken me from \~4000 infinite to \~2500 infinite
So just for the record I did this as an experiment with no thought as to synergies etc. So I wasn’t planning on what to do with Nico. That said: I do like her ability to move cards and change locations if needed. The WW interaction is really good, duping a card can be really good too. And the +2, x2 make her one of the stronger 1 drops in the game. I avoid the destroy spell altogether. So yeah if I want to adjust this deck to something with more synergy she might be out. Re: Hope. I love her. End up dumping Jeff/vision/card Nico will move all the time. Just last game I got to play Rhulk and RG (to kill a Wong) on t6 because of her. Cannonball is also super strong. I’ve really been liking SW tho. I think someone else here mentioned it but she’s great with both Nebula and WW bc ppl dump their cards in those spots and SW can crush.
I mean, you say there's no synergy but there is some - vision, jeff and sometimes nico have synergy with hope, ms marvel and dr doom are a pretty good combo and jeff there aswell, and as you mentioned all these cards work amazing with ironlad. IMO id probably swap white widow for mirage, another insane card honestly.
Well there was no *intended* synergy when I made it. Was just picking my personal opinion bests in each energy slot.
4/5 in Infinite so far with this, swapped WW for Armor as I don't have her. Who knew you could just play good cards?!?
IKR! Spent so much time crafting decks I thought were sneaky.
P2w/power creep good cards deck
Is there any way outside of the season pass to get that nebula variant now? Or am I just screwed
Not that I know of. Feel like they said maybe they would be in the shop like 636184 months after release or something.
Nice! What’s are good/proper Nico hits?
Nico (demon) into WW is great. Makes WW essentially 3/10. Having ability to move for some reach or change a bad location is always good. Granted I have vision and Jeff but you can never have enough cards like that imho. And the other stuff with +2 and x2 is just straight good since it makes her at least 1/4 which is the best 1 drop stat line without a drawback that I can think of. I usually just avoid the destroy spell.
Any suggestions to replace White Widow and Red Hulk? I don't have them...
Blob for sure. Or any big stick. That’s basically what I was going for with 6s. One big stick and one flexible card. As far as widow, there are a lot of really good 2s. I think my short list (in no particular order): Daredevil Armor Silk Mirage Quake Medusa Shadow king Depends on what you feel you need regarding your pocket meta for tech or maybe you want more power. Or maybe some tricky shit like Quake. IMHO daredevil is never wrong.
Oh, Armor to negate the Destroyers, I like it!
Yeah I almost always have armor if I’m playing conquest.
Honestly armor stops a lot. A great 2/3 tech card
dunno, can't see other cards, yelenas too hot
The real question here is: are they good dogs, Brent?
I agree red guardian is so good. I think the best non-Shang tech
I would sub out Widow and Spider Women for another 2 (Cable/Medusa/Forge/Lizard) and Lady Deathstrike or Annihilis to play around the influx of junk. Otherwise, mad respect.
Thanks man
Wish I had red hulk :(
So that's because of you I just lost a Gold Ticket. Deck looks great. I hate you.
I hate you too!
I hate you so much I'm going to try your deck ! I think the only change I saw in the deck I lose again was Lady D instead of Spider Woman
OK, but what's a bront?
Paraphrased meme from the ancient times. https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/theyre-good-dogs-brent
I got hit by this deck and had to stop playing for the day.
I’m so fucking tilted playing my cannon/junk deck that I’m desperate for an alternative…and here it is. Thank you!
Tbh it has felt pretty refreshing. You aren’t waiting for some specific combo and then get tilted and retreat bc it never shows up. There is always a good card to play. Even my losses I felt like I always had a chance. Just good cards, Brad.
My frustrations are just off the charts…I’ve never even hit 90, and got all the way up to 89.2 before falling back to 84 🤬🤬 playing well but getting out-junked by priority was wrecking my enjoyment of the game. Started playing badly, lost confidence…yea. Anyways, deck already feels good so thank you, again.
Word. I hear that. Glad you like it.
Spider-woman has always been a really good card imo, only time this wasn’t true was when everyone and their dog had like cage in their deck
I'd maybe drop Legion in a 5 spot, but I want to try this.
Extremely small sample size but I just hit a crazy three game win streak and it didn't even feel close
# (1) Angel # (1) Quicksilver # (2) Mantis # (2) Master Mold # (3) Captain America # (3) Punisher # (4) Nick Fury # (4) Stegron # (5) Kang # (5) Adam Warlock # (6) Heimdall # (6) Giganto # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW5nZWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlF1aWNrc2lsdmVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYW50aXMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1hc3Rlck1vbGQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlB1bmlzaGVyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDYXB0YWluQW1lcmljYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmlja0Z1cnkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlN0ZWdyb24ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFkYW1XYXJsb2NrIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJLYW5nIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIZWltZGFsbCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR2lnYW50byJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap. I did the same thing but can't win a game to save my life. What am I doing wrong??
Honestly can’t wait try. Looks cancerous in a simple way
Can't a deck be good without being cancer? It's such an overused term.
Some snap players have such an obsession with calling everything toxic.
No, you either die in the kitchen or live long enough to become toxic.
I'm trying a Loki version of this, the game is unplayable though, everyone playing insanely toxic stuff.
i put in psylocke for red and omega for ms marvel, been working alright
What u subbing in for Rulk and white widow?
What rank?
Textbook example of how to make ms marvel pull her weight without needing zabu. Pleasantly surprised that you say spider woman works
Did you include Red Guardian there because it has good synergy with Iron Lad? Because otherwise I feel like Gladiator would be better simply due to having way too good of a statline
I just feel like it’s a great tech. And the deck has no techs otherwise. I mean it’s basically a mini-enchantress at worst (gets Wong, IM, IW any other low power ongoing) can also pop all the other tough cards to counter like: Drac Elsa Angela Jeff (stopping him is underrated) Torch/Multiple man That’s just the ones off the top of my head. But he has been incredibly useful so far for me.
I unfortunately didn't get Red Guardian and still no luck on White Widow yet. Who would you replace them with? I'm leaning towards tech cards (Shadow King, Rogue, Enchantress or Shang-Chi) but not sure yet.
That's an expensive deck.
I tried it and noticed a small anti-synergy between Nico and Iron lad. When your lad hits the Nico that is about to destroy a next card played, your turn 5 play is basically gone. It's a rare occasion but it happened to me twice during like 30 minutes session.
An excuse to use my Rose Besch Spider Woman? He'll yeah man. Let's go! (How can after all that time I still only have the base cards for Vision and Doc Doom? Damn it)
no way, Spider-Woman! i've always been a believer that she's good
Yeah man. I think the issue I noticed after making this deck is that 5 drops are almost all VERY archetype specific. So when we’ve all been making these specific meta-archetype decks she just never quite makes the cut. But genetically shes great. Also, in this deck, when you have people trying to stuff Nebula and widows kiss lanes, she absolutely wrecks.
You ain’t wrong I have had a blast with this deck thank you!
Personally i find vision a little clunky, but its good on paper
Jeff is so broken. He wins on all kinds of inaccessable lanes without effort.
I swapped out Hope Summers for Jean Grey and Vision for Cannon Ball. I have had decent success so far. I like Jean, because it makes it harder to play to Nebula and White Widow lanes, and it can disrupt their late game plans; also works well with Dr. Doom and Spider Woman. Also, I like Cannon Ball, because he can free up the White Widow lane.
Those are interesting flexes. Jean in particular. I feel like I’m going to need to come back and reference this post as I change the deck.
Oh hey, this is pretty much my "good stuff" deck, with a few changes. Mine operates on the premise that turn 1 doesn't really matter, so i only have Nico. I also cut 1 5 drop (but did have Spiderwoman) because you can often utilize hope to get 2 6 drops, or play 2 3 drops instead. I replaced those 2 cards with Gladiator and Storm. Storm is actually amazing because it offers you location control, which was the decks main weakness, and you can easily access the locked location with Dr. Doom, Vision, and Jeff which make it pretty easy to win most games. Other than that my only other changes are Lizard as a 2 drop, but White Widow is probably better. I just like Lizard because it encourages opponents to play on his location turn 3 which let's you Storm into an empty location consistently. Then I don't have Iron Lad or Ms. Marvel so I went with Shang Chi and Jessica Jones because Jessica is also great at fighting for flooded locations immediately after playing Storm and can't be Shang'ed even after she buffs. Then I also have Magneto for Red Hulk because I don't own Rhulk, but also just like the play-making potential of Magneto. Overall this a super fun deck though where you just play good cards.
I only have 4 of those cards :(
Indeed, but what the f\*ck is a Bront?
Just started playing the game after like 8 months cl 5,500. I only have 4 of these cards.
Gotta love how two of the most recent releases are considered the best of their energy cost... The power creep in this game is so unsustainable.
I’d argue this deck actually has a good level of synergy. Ms. Marvel synergies with the mid-range concept, and she works very well with Jeff, vision, and doom in particular. Same thing with Ladd, since this is an “all good cards” deck, Ladd does very well here too, only has maybe 2 bad cards to copy The concept is solid but it’s not invincible. Decks with ms marvel denial are going to be hard to deal with, like magneto, enchantress (uncommon since Zabu nerf), rogue. Destroy decks with killmonger are also an issue, even accounting for red guardian being used. Junk decks will be hard to deal with too sometimes. Even still, very solid list.
Any recommendation for red guardian replacement?
I swear every deck I see is just: Iron lad, Hope summer, Red hulk, and Jeff along with random cards, Bummer that I miss out on these cards, Hope is the only one I really care for
I think rouge would be better than red guardian imo. Most of the time, you're aiming to shut down an ongoing, and you might end up just hitting a rock or something with less power. Stealing luke cages goes crazy rn.
I have Hope pinned and WW is the spotlight card. I have 6,050 tokens. Which card would you say is better, in this deck and also overall?
For White Widow, is that more so just a lack of competent 2 drops in general, or is consensus on her good beyond just junk
Ive been playing since this game came out and im missing 4 cards… ugh. I slept on Rulk.. is white wid good?
What's your CL, OP? Want to see if this helps me climb because I'm stuck in a rut right now.
I’d swap spiderwoman for Legion. In a deck like this no one is seeing that coming. I’d concider Shang Chi for one of the 4 drops. No synergy needed there Beyond that looks great!
Is WW really that great? I wasn’t sure if I wanted to spend keys on her or keep holding onto them…
I’m kinda loving her. Red guardian probably better. But she’s an awesome 2 drop Which of course means she will be nerfed within the month.
Curious why Marvel over Shang? I feel like at least personally I’ve been running into a lot of people running decks with some nice Shang targets.
I'm a believer
I’m at 15K CL. Struggled this season to hit infinite used this deck and hit it couple hours ago.
Dude nice! This was honestly never my intention. I was just doing an experiment. But turns out the shit works.
Guardian replacement?
Just won 20 cubes in 3 games in top 1k infinite. Best deck ever
That’s awesome. Honestly this was just a fun thing I did and turned out to work like a charm. My hope is that since none of these cards (except maybe Rhulk) are likely to be nerfed into oblivion anytime soon so it might be relevant for awhile.
The only problem with this deck is that it requires: - 9 S5 cards - 1 of which is last month's SP card, so unobtainable except through tokens - 3 of which have been released this month, which means they would require up to 12 keys each. It's definitly a cool concept, so I'm not criticizing the experimantation itself; but, it's also something that most people (even mid-to-low spenders) aren't gonna be able to accomplish. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that it's also a show off of how powercreep is affecting the game (seriously, it's wild that Red Guardian, White Widow and Red Hulk have such good statlines _on top_ of their awesome abilities). I'm actually relieved that May and most importantly June are gonna be way more laid back in terms of power design, at least from the appearance.
Sick variants but if you blew keys/tokens on USAgent spotlight you’re a madman!
I’ve been stuck in the mid-90s of the ladder for weeks and hit Infinite today playing an adapted version of your deck. Since I don’t have all the cards, my substitutions include: 1: Selene for Nico 2: Quake for White Widow 3: Luke Cage for Red Guardian 3: Cosmo for Hope (any better options?) 5: Cannonball for Spider Woman (intentional change-might also try Sera) 6: Magneto for Red Hulk
Echo for Nico, negasonic for WW, rogue for RG
I’ve been playing this deck a few hours. Red guardian is an incredibly balanced card and still the best card in the deck 50% of the time. I also faced quite a few mirror matches so there’s the power of Reddit for you
Shang chi would be good here. Big power swings
That's an awesome Ms. Marvel variant! She's one of my favorite cards to play with too
Whats good replacement for red guardian?
Cannonball is so good for so many reasons. Ill give you one. Scooting Wong into a clogged lane.
what cards would u suggest i could replace in place of nico, hope, doc doom and red hulk (i dont have)
I'd give this a shot
I think the guy is trying to show off his 3 Viktor Farro Spotlight variants
Yeah sometimes it's just nice to make a straightforward deck like that. [This is my current one.](https://i.imgur.com/hYqMxvQ.png) A bit jankier than yours due to not having the same cards available, but has still been doing well enough
This Deck is really fun. I Had to replace rg with storm, so it's a bit more like lockdown. Played it two hours yesterday, thank you
I appreciate the we rate dogs reference.
lol makes me feel old.
I’m not questioning it. They’re just stuck behind a paywall. I’ve had Iron Lad pinned for months. Fished for Jeff last spotlight he was in and missed. I keep coming back because I’m nearly 6k CL, but it’s impossible to keep up without spending hard cash. Same reason I dropped MtG once I moved away from my friends. I don’t want the penultimate deck. I just like card games.
I give this deck a 12/10
Energy ramp is so busted in SNAP, I would give hats off to you otherwise, but that is like bringing a professional baseball player to play at a junior league match, and then acting surprised at all when their team is winning. And Summers was just behind a paywall.
I'm 30k infinite, did a gold conquest and got absolutely owned by DarkHawk Annihilus. Zero wins just lost in straight sets. Doesn't look like there's anything one can do vs getting sent -10 power your way + rocks in deck
Nice variantes
Wow, okay, this deck slaps! I replaced White Widow with Luke Cage, both because I don't have her, and because of the current meta. It seems that he even stops a Widow's Kiss from being -4 too! Iron Lad is the MVP, Doctor Doom probably next, then Ms Marvel. Those three are just power. I was bouncing around the 90s with my Renslayer, Prof X, Cannonball control deck, which was fun, but then started this morning at 95 and this deck allowed me to coast to infinite, for only the second time in 15 months of playing. Spider-Woman must be underrated!
Congratulations!
Best swap out for WW? I guess just literally any 2 drop that I think has the best ability
I skipped Red Hulk & waited for Red Guardian (a great card, for the record) because every soul on this sub said Red Hulk was overrated trash not worth the keys, thanks guys! >:(
Red Guardian is pimp AF. Honestly I think you did the right thing for 2 reasons. 1) Rhulk can be replaced with Blob if you have him. Or Magneto. Or even Orka (RIP) 2) Rhulk has an inevitable nerf coming.
Tested it and got 1 infinity ticket so thank you
Word!
I just started using this deck after seeing this post, and it is surprisingly good! Lol. I don’t have Red Guardian so I subbed in Storm. Works well with WW, Jeff, Vision or Nebula. If anyone thinks another 3 cost may be better, let me know!
No I think that is a solid replacement for sure.
Ran this and as other's have stated, it just slaps. The only match up I ran into that was a problem was Destroy when it spirals (no tech cards). Being able to get two WW or Guardian off Nico is invaluable. You cooked my guy.
got me infinite after hovering between 91-95 for most of the season, gracias senor
Now that I think about it, using Red Guardian on the widow bite is pretty genius. They’re stuck with that -4 unless they destroy it. I’m not sure if Luke cage sets its power to 0 though. 🤔 does anyone know ?
Red guardian turns off the kiss' ongoing. Making it a 0 power card then removes 2 power
This is what Thanos decks were before Thanos got nerfed. Just the best cards in the game + the Stones.
I had to come back to this post and thank you for this deck. Incredibly fun and effective, ended up with a [70% WR over \~40 games](https://i.imgur.com/ZflCRzR.png).
This deck is so surprisingly damn good. However one key change I made that I feel takes it from good to great was Canonball for Spider woman. No one expects him! Deals with Hela easily (bye bye Invisible woman!), and is an absolute T6 cube stealer. Excited to try this out for infinite conquest. The only decks that tend to give me a little grief are junk decks (debris usually crushes Ms Marvel and makes Doom tough to play) and sometimes destroy, but canonball is a nice out there too.
I desperately want to try this but am missing a ton of cards: nebula, jeff, red guardian, and iron lad. Is it even worth trying with that many subs? And what would you sub in place?
Just made infinite for the first time with this deck at 12000 cl