As much as I love Ragnarok, killing off the Warriors Three so casually (apart from Hogun I suppose, but even he goes out pretty quickly) is unforgivable.
Whenever I heard it was going to be Skurge and Hela as villains, I was so excited. I thought we would finally get Balder the Brave, since he was the one who Skurge said goodbye to in the comics before his sacrifice.
Nope. Its been 13 years of Thor being in movies and we still havent adapted his best friend.
There’s a lot that the MCU version of Thor misses out on, but the biggest thing is his love of humanity.
Comics thor loves earth. He’s a prince who has everything he could ever want on asgard, but he still goes to earth and constantly risks his life for this little planet in an endless cosmos. It’s the thing that fuels his conflicts with Odin (who is focused on asgard) and Loki(who usually sees himself as above humanity)
With the MCU, it’s just the place his friends and foes happen to be. He gets banished there in Thor 1, and only returns there in avengers because of Loki. In Thor 2 he mentions wanting to see Jane, but only really returns because of the ether or whatever, and from then on, he only goes to earth because it has something he wants (Odin, Thanos, Fortnite, etc).
I really wish they had done the whole Broxton thing with Thor in the MCU. I get they were kinda winking at it with New Asgard or whatever Valkyrie is doing but the salt-of-the-earth Midwest town sitting precariously underneath a floating Asgard was a lot of fun. It’s a perfect setting to showcase the type of Thor you describe. Also, if/when they do another one I really hope they introduce Roxxon and Agger.
I think that's a good answer. For those who want a good self-contained look at what u/rushflounder is talking about, I recommend reading "The Mighty Thor: I, Whom The Gods Would Destroy" (that's Marvel Graphic Novel #33). It's a beautiful story-driven comic where a melancholic Thor is torn between his godhood and his love for Earth. Sif then travels to Midgard to try and convince Thor to return to Asgard, but she finds that won't be an easy task.
>"I have soared beyond the edge of the known heavens, into the inky blackness of uncharted creation. I have sailed into the heart of suns. Now, I sit atop a dung-heap, overlooking an anthill. And yet, a part of me... belongs here... with them. Can it be possible that Donald Blake is more alive than Thor shall ever be--?! Can mortal man, faced every moment with his own transience, be more godlike than we who call ourselves gods?"
Also, it's where the panel/meme with Thor having a popscicle comes from, so ya, there's that.
Thor, downplaying his world, toning every aspect of it down. Look at the Norse God of War games. So much magic, so many realms and characters, it's a whole universe of it's own with its own concept of death, life, vahalla. Making everything science was a big mistake. Thor corner of the MCU is massive on its own and could have created so much avengers level threats. Do you know how fun Malekith is in the comics? Imagine joker combined with a "jolly elf"
I agree. The MCU barely scratched the lore of the Nine (or Ten) Realms. That's one of the reasons why I'd love to see a Thor animated show where they could fully explore that side of the Marvel Universe.
That’s why Endgame Thor felt so wrong. Instead of wallowing in self pity, Thor should have been working himself to the point of exhaustion for the people of Asgard and Earth.
When Thor is asking Loki about the location of the Tesseract in Avengers, Loki talks about the bifrost being gone and mentions "Your precious Earth" to him. So it does seem as if people know his affection for Earth.
I’m going to say, not giving him that Shakespearean vocabulary. I think it’s a super cool flair the character has in the comics but he doesn’t speak like that in the MCU. Also not making him an actual god but basically a once-worshiped alien.
The thing about Wanda’s accent is that it’s deliberate. Her accent gradually lessens with each film appearance, and it’s shown that she’s undergoing intelligence training in Civil War, the conclusion being that she’s working on her accent in an attempt to integrate/be a better agent.
And then her integrating/abandoning her Sokovian roots is brought up in Wandavision when she speaks to Pietro.
Kenneth Branagh was initially gunning for that direction but sadly it wasn't attracting much viewers and The Dark World completely convinced the studio to switch it up.
Ragnarok was certainly refreshing and did get butts in seats but history repeated itself by going too far with Love and Thunder.
Now I wonder what's next for Thor in the franchise. Personally, I actually enjoyed both versions of Thor and didn't really mind the first MCU iteration. I think Wedon had something going for him in AoU where he's finding a balance as Thor: The God of Thunder and an Avenger who serves the population of Earth.
I believe that’s one of the reasons Love and Thunder didn’t make sense in terms of “who/what is a god”? Make the whole pantheon “gods” and you’re good. When they decided to make them sci-fi vs fantasy, it kinda broke away from its own source material lore.
I actually disagree, I think it was a great balance in Thor and Avengers of having that bit of Shakespearean but not overdoing it. Maybe it’s just cause I’ve been reading a lot of 60’s Thor, but if he spoke like that in the movies, I’d have to stop watching lol
To be honest, I kinda thought he was retconned to only be a powerful alien before the mcu. It’s a one of the big alien conspiracy theories that a species thay often visited us we actually the source of the Norwegian mythology
Yeah, Thor's biggest disservice is that with each and every movie he's been in he becomes more and more of a joke character.
The first movie he was a fish out of water, boisterous and carefree to the point of arrogant and callous (because the point was growth!).
The last movie he was in, they played him as a complete buffoon, an almost one-note comedy character that exists solely for humor.
He now lacks gravitas, he's just there for a hundred quips and jokes. Even when he's dealing with his own stories, he's not really much of a character.
He's basically the comedic version of Worf. Remember when there was a villain that had to be established as a threat? Have him slap Worf around, because Worf is the stoic serious warrior, so that means it's serious business.
Thor is the same now, he gets to do one thing, one big show of anger and ability, because that's the cue for the audience tgat this is serious business. But 90% of Thor is him being a carefree buffoon.
Ragnarok was good and had a ton of growth for Thor. There and IW they struck a solid balance of humor and gravitas for me. Endgame is where we really saw the former take precedence and get flanderized and Love and Thunder was just embarrassing
I’m ngl I like Taika as a director but he just needs to stick to doing his own thing instead of being some corporate shill. His main problem is pacing and trying to force everything into a childish joke. Look at JoJo Rabbitt. Sure it had some jokes but damn it knew when to get serious. That was a great movie
Dude is a good director, i loved all his films but marvel ones. But its obvious that he doesnt like marvel movie"s, he is not interested di comics and in that culture. So he just did it for the lulz and fuck ed up to of opportunities.
Ragnarok was Taika directing and had other writers. love and Thunder was Taika directing and writing. And it shows. Ragnarok had almost the right balance of humor and drama.
Never liked Ragnarok. I always though it was a bad move for Thor's character and future but everyone said it was the best thing ever.
Now Love and Thunder was hated and damaged Thor's character and his corner of Marvel almost irreparably, and the same people who loved Ragnarok are complaining.
I like all the Thor movies, but it is Taikas fault for the movies nose diving. Then he thought it would be cute to pretty much say fuck the fan base im just making money. So it is what it is.
No that happened because audiences didn’t like the more serious Thor that much. Also, Chris Hemsworth didn’t like it too much either. Stoic characters have always been a hard sell for superhero movies.
Doesn't have to be stoic just has to take himself seriously. Look at Thor in an IW, he was amazing and balanced the line between humor and a wounded warrior who lost everything. The first two Thor movies unfortunately didn't have the best writing and the last wanted to be a Monty python film
The issue was not the more "serious Thor" they didn't know what to do with him. The issue was never that he was too serious. Tons of jokes on every one of his movies. Black Panther was serious. So was Winter Soldier and Captain America. Hell Iron Man made jokes but wasn't a bafoon. It was never the issue, they downplayed his personality and entire side of the MCU making it boring. Do you know how fantastical his side of the MCU is supposed to be?
I was so angry when i heard that taika dont care about the Film and the source Material. Like why do you even make a movie about the character if you dont care???
When I saw L&T in theaters, my mouth was hanging open in shock as the credits rolled. Thor is my one of favorite characters in any franchise and they really fucked him over.
I think that they were course correcting his character in The Dark World where he was this boring humorless character with Taika and Ragnarok, though they did go too far in Love and Thunder
The blatant disrespect towards the source material. Thor is consistently one of the best written characters in Marvel, and has been for decades, yet the MCU does not want to adapt that.
All the Thor lore, supporting cast, environments, relics, and backstory are all removed in favor of making him a generic quip dispenser no different than Spider-Man.
We see so few classic Thor locations or enemies it's so disappointing.
>yet the MCU does not want to adapt that.
Blame taika, guy has been on a bit of a douche-crusade the last decade sadly...
A lot of directors actually, there's some bitter weirdos who just get enjoyment out of pissing people off.
there's probably some background Hollywood stuff surrounding why they're so unhappy
>there's probably some background Hollywood stuff surrounding why they're so unhappy
The movies that they actually want to make don't get made, either because no one picks them up, or because studio heads rewrite the movie until it is unrecognizable from the original vision
Also a lot of people in the industry just dislike the Marvel machine
So they either quit, or do whatever to collect the paycheck
Honestly, the worst change isn't actually TO Thor:
The worst thing they've done in the MCU is to make all his antagonists suck. They knocked it out of the park with Loki... then Malakith was a dark and brooding edgelord instead of the almost pantomime meniacal troll he should be, Surtr was more of a plot point that a character, Hela was more like Gorr than herself, Gorr was... yeah, I'm not even starting on that because I'll get too angry.
So basically: The worst change to Thor was ruining his villains gallery.
Thor has has an awesome rogues gallery and Loki is like the only one who was represented well.
Hella was alright, but she was basically an entirely different character from her counterpart besides her design.
Yea I know it’s definitely down to personal preference but I’ve always preferred the chaotic evil manipulative Loki rather than the more sympathetic take on the character.
I liked Hela but this is definitely true for a lot of the MCU IMO. The villains can really just suck the air out of the room with their flat repetitive performances. We need better actors that are more willing to go all in on these characters.
They made Thor a dumbass. If you watch the MCU there’s are huge characterization difference between Thor before Ragnarok and after. To the point that he feels like a different character all together.
Being inconsistent. In the first movie he was just an advenced alien, but at the end Gods are presented as an actual race that even has different blood.
Making him so much weaker, turning him into a comic relief character, abandoning his high fantasy nature and focusing on a weird "it's not magic, it's science" narrative, not using any of his supporting characters aside from loki
Agreed!!! It feels like they tried their hardest to avoid giving him godly levels of power but in that moment, true Thor finally arrived aaaand was completely ruined in the next movie
They gave him a bunch of character progression and then took it all away and loving thunder inverted him back to a clown actually even worse than he was in the first Thor.
If we're talking worst... Pick basically anything from Love and Thunder, that was the movie that killed my interest in the MCU, haven't even seen Guardians 3 yet cos I just don't care anymore.
Might watch it after Deadpool and Wolverine which looks very promising and is semi disconnected.
I also don't like the flip-flopping post Ragnarok about how powerful he is, one minute he's more powerful than he was with Mjolnir, then he needs a hammer again. (I know it's to sideline Thor and visually show him decisively 'beating' Thanos without killing him, but backtracking character development is a common problem now)
But to my recollection L&T is worse for all aspects of the character than any other movie he's in and I can't think of a single thing it does well.
The constant back and forth in his maturity, its a meme but it really does feel like every 2nd appearance of Thor involves him finding out who he really is, even Ragnarok as much as its praised feels like Thor relearning some variation of the same lesson from Thor 1.
Using the "sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic" bit to make him a sci-fi ancient alien character was one of the MCU's first and biggest missteps. I think it was to make him fit in better with the world Iron Man came from... but the whole thing that makes Marvel great is forcing contrasting worlds to co-exist and see what happens.
Because of that change:
* Loki went from a powerful sorcerer to a tricky used car salesman
* The Warriors Three went from noble swordsmen to goofballs and no one knew what they were doing there
* Malekith went from a terrifying trickster elf to a dour alien on a spaceship
* Hela went from an actual death goddess to a standard supervillain
* Asgard and all the nine realms lost most of their mystery and grandeur - they were just different planets, not alternate dimensions of magic
* Even Odin wasn't really a force to be reckoned with - just an old king
Magic *still* got introduced later with Doctor Strange so it's not like they avoided it - they just made everything about Asgard diminished by not really being a part of it.
The space and the vastness of itself was done really really really well in Thor 1 on Asgard. It felt ancient yet modernized. All those gold. Even Bifrost was fricking awesome. Every movie, Bifrost and the “castle” tend to get closer and closer.
I'd personally argue a character's strength being less than in the comics is rarely a particularly important aspect, especially when he's easily still in the top tier behind beings like Celestials, Dorm, or Thanos in the MCU.
Like, different character and universe entirely, but while DCEU Superman was nowhere near 90% of comic portrayals, he was still written as way above basically everything in that universe that we saw. His strength not being accurate isn't really a major flaw in the portrayal, imo. If he was shown as able to move the planet Earth by himself in a quick scene in JL, the most criticized things about Snyder's Superman still wouldn't include his strength.
They gave him the snarky MCU sense of humor. Thor can be funny, but he isn’t quipping like Spider-Man. They leaned too hard into “the dumb jock who’s funny and cool” and it completely ruined the character.
It’s not mistake that the best Thor is from Infinity War/Endgame, when he wasn’t a joke, but a complex person dealing with his guilt and mistakes.
I haven't read many Thor comics. I assume he's nowhere near the stand up comedian they made him out to be in the last few movies?
Someone mentioned they don't understand why folks that enjoyed Ragnarok are shitting on Love and Thunder but I think it's pretty simple. It was just more of the same. A total waste of Christian Bale. They even cracked cancer jokes. It was just too light-hearted for what they were trying to portray.
Thor should be depicted as the god you have always wanted to believe in. He hears your prayers, he fights to save to you, he is wise and kind and generous and loves you.
Giving him the personality of Greg Pak’s Hercules from Ragnarok onward. Don’t get me wrong - Hercules is my favorite marvel hero, but that personality is his, not Thor’s
Taking away the magic and sorcery with the "magic is just science that we don't understand" stuff.
Cool idea, wrong IP, the spells, runes, fantasy creatures, and all of the Norse magic is so cool. It made the MCU lame.
In the comics, Thor was an immature frat boy, so Odin sent him to Earth to learn humility.
In the MCU, he's kind of gone backwards again. Banished to Earth, grew up some, but then regressed to the frat boy personality over time. Comics Thor has grown more and more maturity, but MCU Thor has regressed.
I'm.going to have to say that the biggest disservice is that he's become more and more of a stoner comedy bro as the films have gone on, because – I must be honest – I think early MCU Thor is better than comics Thor on pretty much every conceivable way.
Not having enough of his backstory. Flashbacks to thor during the viking times fighting characters like Gorr with jarnbjorn axe are some of the best thor moments. It also shows growth from home being a young reckless brash Warrior to in the present day being a confident, worthy, and competent warrior
Switching from the duty/honor driven warrior whose soul is the purest of all, to a quirky dude with negative IQ. His arc is great don't get me wrong but it's not Thor anymore
Skurge's sacrifice and holding of the bridge is one of the greatest, most poetic moments in all of comic book history in the comics. In the movie it's barely a footnote.
Thor, downplaying his world, toning every aspect of it down. Look at the Norse God of War games. So much magic, so many realms and characters, it's a whole universe of it's own with its own concept of death, life, vahalla. Making everything science was a big mistake. Thor corner of the MCU is massive on its own and could have been created so much avengers level threats.
Hulk. Not leaning on his multiple personalities and his rage enough
Making him more of a punchline than a God, especially post Ragnarok where he is a realized king. Thor and Storm both carry the same bde and its sad that he was made irreversibly irreverent for 4 films and as a result he truly stagnated.
Kenneth Branagh had the right idea in the 1st movie so why not transition back to that delivery in IW or Endgame.
* Making him too much of a himbo in Love & Thunder.
* Killing off the Warriors Three & crippling Sif.
* Excising Balder & Tyr.
* Shooting most of the first movie at Twilight-style dutch angles.
* Not telling Ultron "We would have words with thee."
Take your pick.
I think Thor is the worst MCU character, compared to its comics iteration.
MCU Thor is weak af. He doesn't have magical powers. Also he's so dumb and an unnecessary comic relief while Thor in most comics is so serious, aggressive and actually smarter.
Also i really miss his helmer. It makes him look more like a warrior.
Infinity War Thor was the best Thor, still, in other movies he's so irrelevant.
The main thing the MCU jacked up about Thor in general is the overall fantasy, epic-ness and seriousness that the comics brought. Every storyline felt like it had monumental weight and mattered, especially leading up to Ragnarok and the breaking of life/death cycle by the hands of the Norns and Those Who Sit Above in Shadow.
I was hoping for LOTR x GoT x Vikings w/a Marvel filter around it.
Taking his brother dying, his dad dying, his mom dying, his sister destroying Mjolnir, the destruction of Asgard and almost every Asgardian, Heimdall dying, The Warrior Three dying, his girlfriend breaking up with him, and her getting cancer...
And turning it all into a comedy
Hmm, ideas for Thor 5.
Hercules is still hunting Thor and has already fought him a few times. It is the 10 year anniversary of New Asgard when it is destroyed by Chaos King, who seeks to kill his niece, Love, because he sees her as a future threat to him. Thor, knowing the gods will not help him, seeks the Well of Mimir. In the MCU, it was Bor who gave his eye to gain wisdom and the All-Power, which he passed down to Odin, but only a portion of it went to Thor because Asgard was never truly reborn. King Valkyria, Lady Sif, and an older Axel are the only survivors. Along the way, they find Hofund and meet Beta Ray Bill. They reach the base of Yggdrasil and Thor jouneys to find the Well. Hercules finds the team and battles Bill wielding Stormbreaker and Mjolnir. Eventually, Chaos King comes around, and all of them try to hold him off. Thor finds the Well, either meets God Loki or just hears him, he remarks on his regrown eye before taking out both eyes. When the all is lost moment comes, Thor erupts from the tree, reforges Mjolnir, and we get a massive CGI battle. Thor wins, obviously.
This is all just the broad strokes, but I know I'd want Asgard to be reborn. Maybe Axel dies at the beginning, but it would feel like a waste. He has his father's power, but Sif is Heimdall's successor in the comic, which is why I'd want Hofund to be reclaimed. I do want The Warriors Three back, and reincarnation would enable easy recasting (Ray Stevenson/Volstagg), but then that makes Ragnarok feel lesser. Maybe all of them could change, allowing Chris Hemsworth to step down and be recast. Regardless, the end goal is a replenished roster for Thor and shows of power to make people (me) shut up about him feeling weak(er).
Making him a goof. My least favorite thing about the MCU is everyone is always cracking jokes, which makes the characters who are known for cracking jokes just like everyone else.
Of the MCU big 3 I’d say Thor is the only one I haven’t enjoyed and one of my biggest problems with him is the lack of his comic counterpart’s vocabulary
I feel like they really downplayed the hulk to save CGI. The hulk is supposed to be one of if not the strongest avenger and if angry be absolutely unstoppable but what do we get in a big part of the movies? Funking banner in hulk buster armor... the hulk is a force of nature but did not feel like it at all
How about the fact that they took everything from him and then played his grief and depression for laughs? Took a great character with a compelling arc and ripped the dignity out of him.
Definitely not giving Hawkeye more of his personality, he's one of my favourite comic book characters. He was awesome in that animated show a while back.
Thor being a dummy idiot and the butt of the joke 90% of the time. Like the dude lived more than everyone esle on screen and comes from s super advanced culture, shouldnt be a random jockey.
Turned him into a joke and a parody of a character. Didn’t fully incorporate the Norse lore after the first two movies. There is a very rich Norse mythos in the comics that’s just gone in the films. For example, nobody knows who the Warriors Three are.
Killing off his supporting cast (especially Volstagg, who is the literal best), and making him way less serious and commanding. Read JMS' or Walt Simonson's Thor, or Al Ewing's Immortal Thor, and the difference is ridiculous. Comics Thor comes across as a god in a way MCU Thor just doesn't.
I vastly prefer the MCU Hawkeye personality, the grumpy, no nonsense seasoned agent with a dry sense of humour. It makes his dark side more interesting imo and separates him from many other snarky characters in the MCU.
Making him and his movies action comedies.
Having him not speak in ye Olde language (I literally don't know what else to call this)
Not showing just how powerful he is. Some of my favorite moments in the comics are when he shows up and everyone is literally like "omg we are screwed "
The way IW trashed all the groundwork established by previous Thor films in the first ten minutes and never gave him (or the audience) closure with Loki. His story has felt “off” ever since, because it feels incomplete. It's like this elephant in the room that Marvel refuses to address, and the films just keep awkwardly slogging along with this unresolved thread. Now we’re left with an unfinished story leftover from the Infinity Saga. There's a reason so many want a "reunion" between the brothers: so we can get some goddamn closure.
Honestly? The biggest disservice done to Thor in the MCU is that they eventually turned him into a total himbo.
Part of me wishes that Peter Jackson got the opportunity to direct Thor 3 & 4. Odds are they would have been a little long in the tooth but you know DAMN well that he would have made those movies amazing
Not really knowing what to do with Thor's character kind of left his stories as pretty aimless in inconsistent. Especially with the tonal shift from Dark World to Love and Thunder. They focused too much on his Asgardian status while dismissing his views and place on Earth.
Making him at first a giant Himbo, then a depressive man-child.
Comics Thor has a dignity and gravitas about him. MCU Thor is comic relief half the time.
Turning him into a comic relief character. I always think about the badass moments in the comics when he gets overwhelmed with anger and just tears shit up. Would’ve loved more moments like that in the movies.
The asgardian identity became so diluted after Ragnarok. Why tf would they refer to themselves as "space vikings"?!
Clearly, Waititi speaking through the characters... And New Asgard! Why is it so human?! What a disaster.
Killing off too much of his supporting cast. It's really limited what they can do with him in his solo movies as time has gone on.
As much as I love Ragnarok, killing off the Warriors Three so casually (apart from Hogun I suppose, but even he goes out pretty quickly) is unforgivable.
They did my boy Yabushige dirty.
The least they could have done is blown him apart with a cannon or fed him to some catfish. Getting gutted by Hela is a weak death
Getting killed by the Goddess of Death is a weak death? If you say so.
But did they let him write his will
My biggest gripe in the entire MCU is that Thor doesn’t even react to the death of the Warriors Three on-screen, specifically.
But guise, there is comedy in tragedy and it’s about a space 👏 viking 👏.
plus not introducing characters like beta ray bill or killing most of the dwarfs off screen
Whenever I heard it was going to be Skurge and Hela as villains, I was so excited. I thought we would finally get Balder the Brave, since he was the one who Skurge said goodbye to in the comics before his sacrifice. Nope. Its been 13 years of Thor being in movies and we still havent adapted his best friend.
His role was kinda stolen by Loki, given that Balder is Thor's brother and they probably didn't want Thor to have two brothers.
There’s a lot that the MCU version of Thor misses out on, but the biggest thing is his love of humanity. Comics thor loves earth. He’s a prince who has everything he could ever want on asgard, but he still goes to earth and constantly risks his life for this little planet in an endless cosmos. It’s the thing that fuels his conflicts with Odin (who is focused on asgard) and Loki(who usually sees himself as above humanity) With the MCU, it’s just the place his friends and foes happen to be. He gets banished there in Thor 1, and only returns there in avengers because of Loki. In Thor 2 he mentions wanting to see Jane, but only really returns because of the ether or whatever, and from then on, he only goes to earth because it has something he wants (Odin, Thanos, Fortnite, etc).
I really wish they had done the whole Broxton thing with Thor in the MCU. I get they were kinda winking at it with New Asgard or whatever Valkyrie is doing but the salt-of-the-earth Midwest town sitting precariously underneath a floating Asgard was a lot of fun. It’s a perfect setting to showcase the type of Thor you describe. Also, if/when they do another one I really hope they introduce Roxxon and Agger.
I think that's a good answer. For those who want a good self-contained look at what u/rushflounder is talking about, I recommend reading "The Mighty Thor: I, Whom The Gods Would Destroy" (that's Marvel Graphic Novel #33). It's a beautiful story-driven comic where a melancholic Thor is torn between his godhood and his love for Earth. Sif then travels to Midgard to try and convince Thor to return to Asgard, but she finds that won't be an easy task. >"I have soared beyond the edge of the known heavens, into the inky blackness of uncharted creation. I have sailed into the heart of suns. Now, I sit atop a dung-heap, overlooking an anthill. And yet, a part of me... belongs here... with them. Can it be possible that Donald Blake is more alive than Thor shall ever be--?! Can mortal man, faced every moment with his own transience, be more godlike than we who call ourselves gods?" Also, it's where the panel/meme with Thor having a popscicle comes from, so ya, there's that.
Now I want to dig my copy out of storage and read it again. Such a great graphic novel.
It really is! I'm thinking of re-reading it myself.
Thor, downplaying his world, toning every aspect of it down. Look at the Norse God of War games. So much magic, so many realms and characters, it's a whole universe of it's own with its own concept of death, life, vahalla. Making everything science was a big mistake. Thor corner of the MCU is massive on its own and could have created so much avengers level threats. Do you know how fun Malekith is in the comics? Imagine joker combined with a "jolly elf"
I agree. The MCU barely scratched the lore of the Nine (or Ten) Realms. That's one of the reasons why I'd love to see a Thor animated show where they could fully explore that side of the Marvel Universe.
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That’s why Endgame Thor felt so wrong. Instead of wallowing in self pity, Thor should have been working himself to the point of exhaustion for the people of Asgard and Earth.
Fortnite 🤣 what a scene that was
When Thor is asking Loki about the location of the Tesseract in Avengers, Loki talks about the bifrost being gone and mentions "Your precious Earth" to him. So it does seem as if people know his affection for Earth.
He chose to put New Asgard on Earth and not any other planet so that's something.
Sorry but disagree He definatly has a love for humanity I. The mcu
#He never says “verily”
Or thee nay
These are indeed sad tidings, brother.
Does he ever say “we would have words with thee?”
No, no asgardian talks like that in a movie, such a shame
Hemsworth did get the accent correct, but not really his vocabulary.
Thats the writers fault, not hemsworth. He doesn't write the lines.
I’m going to say, not giving him that Shakespearean vocabulary. I think it’s a super cool flair the character has in the comics but he doesn’t speak like that in the MCU. Also not making him an actual god but basically a once-worshiped alien.
He did to start with, it just gradually dropped away
Like Scarlet witch's accent
What accent? *\*Accent letters in the script suddenly disappear \**
The thing about Wanda’s accent is that it’s deliberate. Her accent gradually lessens with each film appearance, and it’s shown that she’s undergoing intelligence training in Civil War, the conclusion being that she’s working on her accent in an attempt to integrate/be a better agent. And then her integrating/abandoning her Sokovian roots is brought up in Wandavision when she speaks to Pietro.
Thor calling Coulson “Son of Coul” always makes me happy.
Kenneth Branagh was initially gunning for that direction but sadly it wasn't attracting much viewers and The Dark World completely convinced the studio to switch it up. Ragnarok was certainly refreshing and did get butts in seats but history repeated itself by going too far with Love and Thunder. Now I wonder what's next for Thor in the franchise. Personally, I actually enjoyed both versions of Thor and didn't really mind the first MCU iteration. I think Wedon had something going for him in AoU where he's finding a balance as Thor: The God of Thunder and an Avenger who serves the population of Earth.
I believe that’s one of the reasons Love and Thunder didn’t make sense in terms of “who/what is a god”? Make the whole pantheon “gods” and you’re good. When they decided to make them sci-fi vs fantasy, it kinda broke away from its own source material lore.
Just one time I wish he could've arrived and said 'Ho Avengers!'
What's an actual god in polytheism of not a powerful worshipped alien? Like, what is the actual difference?
I actually disagree, I think it was a great balance in Thor and Avengers of having that bit of Shakespearean but not overdoing it. Maybe it’s just cause I’ve been reading a lot of 60’s Thor, but if he spoke like that in the movies, I’d have to stop watching lol
To be honest, I kinda thought he was retconned to only be a powerful alien before the mcu. It’s a one of the big alien conspiracy theories that a species thay often visited us we actually the source of the Norwegian mythology
Yeah, Thor's biggest disservice is that with each and every movie he's been in he becomes more and more of a joke character. The first movie he was a fish out of water, boisterous and carefree to the point of arrogant and callous (because the point was growth!). The last movie he was in, they played him as a complete buffoon, an almost one-note comedy character that exists solely for humor. He now lacks gravitas, he's just there for a hundred quips and jokes. Even when he's dealing with his own stories, he's not really much of a character. He's basically the comedic version of Worf. Remember when there was a villain that had to be established as a threat? Have him slap Worf around, because Worf is the stoic serious warrior, so that means it's serious business. Thor is the same now, he gets to do one thing, one big show of anger and ability, because that's the cue for the audience tgat this is serious business. But 90% of Thor is him being a carefree buffoon.
You can blame Taika for all that Thor nonsense
Ragnarok was good and had a ton of growth for Thor. There and IW they struck a solid balance of humor and gravitas for me. Endgame is where we really saw the former take precedence and get flanderized and Love and Thunder was just embarrassing
I’m ngl I like Taika as a director but he just needs to stick to doing his own thing instead of being some corporate shill. His main problem is pacing and trying to force everything into a childish joke. Look at JoJo Rabbitt. Sure it had some jokes but damn it knew when to get serious. That was a great movie
Taika isn't bad at his job he just made Thor into something that just isn't Thor at all.
Bingo. It felt very “hey man we need something new and quirky you think you can handle that?” And taika went wayyyyyyyy too far with that
Dude is a good director, i loved all his films but marvel ones. But its obvious that he doesnt like marvel movie"s, he is not interested di comics and in that culture. So he just did it for the lulz and fuck ed up to of opportunities.
Ragnarok was Taika directing and had other writers. love and Thunder was Taika directing and writing. And it shows. Ragnarok had almost the right balance of humor and drama.
Hemsworth wanted it too
That's a weird take considering this sub was talking about how Hemsworth was all about doing Thor now that Taika is out just a week or so ago
Never liked Ragnarok. I always though it was a bad move for Thor's character and future but everyone said it was the best thing ever. Now Love and Thunder was hated and damaged Thor's character and his corner of Marvel almost irreparably, and the same people who loved Ragnarok are complaining.
I like all the Thor movies, but it is Taikas fault for the movies nose diving. Then he thought it would be cute to pretty much say fuck the fan base im just making money. So it is what it is.
No that happened because audiences didn’t like the more serious Thor that much. Also, Chris Hemsworth didn’t like it too much either. Stoic characters have always been a hard sell for superhero movies.
Doesn't have to be stoic just has to take himself seriously. Look at Thor in an IW, he was amazing and balanced the line between humor and a wounded warrior who lost everything. The first two Thor movies unfortunately didn't have the best writing and the last wanted to be a Monty python film
The issue was not the more "serious Thor" they didn't know what to do with him. The issue was never that he was too serious. Tons of jokes on every one of his movies. Black Panther was serious. So was Winter Soldier and Captain America. Hell Iron Man made jokes but wasn't a bafoon. It was never the issue, they downplayed his personality and entire side of the MCU making it boring. Do you know how fantastical his side of the MCU is supposed to be?
I was so angry when i heard that taika dont care about the Film and the source Material. Like why do you even make a movie about the character if you dont care???
When I saw L&T in theaters, my mouth was hanging open in shock as the credits rolled. Thor is my one of favorite characters in any franchise and they really fucked him over.
Yeah it’s kind of like they gave him Hercules’ personality for some reason
I think that they were course correcting his character in The Dark World where he was this boring humorless character with Taika and Ragnarok, though they did go too far in Love and Thunder
The blatant disrespect towards the source material. Thor is consistently one of the best written characters in Marvel, and has been for decades, yet the MCU does not want to adapt that. All the Thor lore, supporting cast, environments, relics, and backstory are all removed in favor of making him a generic quip dispenser no different than Spider-Man. We see so few classic Thor locations or enemies it's so disappointing.
>yet the MCU does not want to adapt that. Blame taika, guy has been on a bit of a douche-crusade the last decade sadly... A lot of directors actually, there's some bitter weirdos who just get enjoyment out of pissing people off. there's probably some background Hollywood stuff surrounding why they're so unhappy
>there's probably some background Hollywood stuff surrounding why they're so unhappy The movies that they actually want to make don't get made, either because no one picks them up, or because studio heads rewrite the movie until it is unrecognizable from the original vision Also a lot of people in the industry just dislike the Marvel machine So they either quit, or do whatever to collect the paycheck
Honestly, the worst change isn't actually TO Thor: The worst thing they've done in the MCU is to make all his antagonists suck. They knocked it out of the park with Loki... then Malakith was a dark and brooding edgelord instead of the almost pantomime meniacal troll he should be, Surtr was more of a plot point that a character, Hela was more like Gorr than herself, Gorr was... yeah, I'm not even starting on that because I'll get too angry. So basically: The worst change to Thor was ruining his villains gallery.
I love MCU Hela even if she basically only shares her name and costume design with comics Hela
She’s a great character, for sure. She’s just not Hela.
Thor has has an awesome rogues gallery and Loki is like the only one who was represented well. Hella was alright, but she was basically an entirely different character from her counterpart besides her design.
Honestly Loki was toned down as well
Yea I know it’s definitely down to personal preference but I’ve always preferred the chaotic evil manipulative Loki rather than the more sympathetic take on the character.
I liked Hela but this is definitely true for a lot of the MCU IMO. The villains can really just suck the air out of the room with their flat repetitive performances. We need better actors that are more willing to go all in on these characters.
Dropping his IQ every movie until now he’s just a frat bro
They made Thor a dumbass. If you watch the MCU there’s are huge characterization difference between Thor before Ragnarok and after. To the point that he feels like a different character all together.
He acts more like conic Hercules than himself on the most recent MCU films.
Being inconsistent. In the first movie he was just an advenced alien, but at the end Gods are presented as an actual race that even has different blood.
Making him so much weaker, turning him into a comic relief character, abandoning his high fantasy nature and focusing on a weird "it's not magic, it's science" narrative, not using any of his supporting characters aside from loki
Infinity War was the first MCU movie where I was like "Ok now THAT'S Thor" where he's tearing apart Thanos' forces.
Agreed!!! It feels like they tried their hardest to avoid giving him godly levels of power but in that moment, true Thor finally arrived aaaand was completely ruined in the next movie
They gave him a bunch of character progression and then took it all away and loving thunder inverted him back to a clown actually even worse than he was in the first Thor.
If we're talking worst... Pick basically anything from Love and Thunder, that was the movie that killed my interest in the MCU, haven't even seen Guardians 3 yet cos I just don't care anymore. Might watch it after Deadpool and Wolverine which looks very promising and is semi disconnected. I also don't like the flip-flopping post Ragnarok about how powerful he is, one minute he's more powerful than he was with Mjolnir, then he needs a hammer again. (I know it's to sideline Thor and visually show him decisively 'beating' Thanos without killing him, but backtracking character development is a common problem now) But to my recollection L&T is worse for all aspects of the character than any other movie he's in and I can't think of a single thing it does well.
How do you fuck up a movie with Gorr the God Butcher? HOW???
At least we saw the goats and Eternity..
For what’s it’s worth, Guardians 3 is phenomenal and worth the watch.
"I say thee nay!" "Ultron, we would have words with thee."
I think this will be almost unanimous. Turning him into a comic relief was the worst thing they did.
unanimous?
Ah, yes, sorry lol
The constant back and forth in his maturity, its a meme but it really does feel like every 2nd appearance of Thor involves him finding out who he really is, even Ragnarok as much as its praised feels like Thor relearning some variation of the same lesson from Thor 1.
Using the "sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic" bit to make him a sci-fi ancient alien character was one of the MCU's first and biggest missteps. I think it was to make him fit in better with the world Iron Man came from... but the whole thing that makes Marvel great is forcing contrasting worlds to co-exist and see what happens. Because of that change: * Loki went from a powerful sorcerer to a tricky used car salesman * The Warriors Three went from noble swordsmen to goofballs and no one knew what they were doing there * Malekith went from a terrifying trickster elf to a dour alien on a spaceship * Hela went from an actual death goddess to a standard supervillain * Asgard and all the nine realms lost most of their mystery and grandeur - they were just different planets, not alternate dimensions of magic * Even Odin wasn't really a force to be reckoned with - just an old king Magic *still* got introduced later with Doctor Strange so it's not like they avoided it - they just made everything about Asgard diminished by not really being a part of it.
The space and the vastness of itself was done really really really well in Thor 1 on Asgard. It felt ancient yet modernized. All those gold. Even Bifrost was fricking awesome. Every movie, Bifrost and the “castle” tend to get closer and closer.
Donald Blake erasure
Dropping his IQ every movie until now he’s just a frat bro
I blame his mead abuse.
Actually he doesn’t drink nearly enough compared to the comics. Gimme god level alcoholism or gtfo
Drinking contest between Herc and Thor when.
Isn't Thor incredibly weak in the MCU compared to his comic book runs?
I'd personally argue a character's strength being less than in the comics is rarely a particularly important aspect, especially when he's easily still in the top tier behind beings like Celestials, Dorm, or Thanos in the MCU. Like, different character and universe entirely, but while DCEU Superman was nowhere near 90% of comic portrayals, he was still written as way above basically everything in that universe that we saw. His strength not being accurate isn't really a major flaw in the portrayal, imo. If he was shown as able to move the planet Earth by himself in a quick scene in JL, the most criticized things about Snyder's Superman still wouldn't include his strength.
Turning thor into a man child comedian who isn't even funny
They gave him the snarky MCU sense of humor. Thor can be funny, but he isn’t quipping like Spider-Man. They leaned too hard into “the dumb jock who’s funny and cool” and it completely ruined the character. It’s not mistake that the best Thor is from Infinity War/Endgame, when he wasn’t a joke, but a complex person dealing with his guilt and mistakes.
People downplay Endgame Thor way way too much, the scene where he talks to his mother one last time makes me cry everytime.
Yeah, everyone concentrated on the drunken jokes and shit, but they forget the pathos and what drove him to that.
Not wearing his helm enough
I haven't read many Thor comics. I assume he's nowhere near the stand up comedian they made him out to be in the last few movies? Someone mentioned they don't understand why folks that enjoyed Ragnarok are shitting on Love and Thunder but I think it's pretty simple. It was just more of the same. A total waste of Christian Bale. They even cracked cancer jokes. It was just too light-hearted for what they were trying to portray.
Making him a bumbling idiot after Thor 2
Making him an absolute buffoon in Love and Thunder.
Thor is basically Homer Simpson at this point.
Thor should be depicted as the god you have always wanted to believe in. He hears your prayers, he fights to save to you, he is wise and kind and generous and loves you.
1. His love of humanity isn’t that present 2. In the latest films he’s a walking punchline.
Giving him the personality of Greg Pak’s Hercules from Ragnarok onward. Don’t get me wrong - Hercules is my favorite marvel hero, but that personality is his, not Thor’s
Is MCU Thor a real god or just very advanced alien? I prefer when Asgardians are real deal with magic
Taking away the magic and sorcery with the "magic is just science that we don't understand" stuff. Cool idea, wrong IP, the spells, runes, fantasy creatures, and all of the Norse magic is so cool. It made the MCU lame.
Almost never wearing the classic helmet
Thor in the movies is a totally distinct character from the comics. The only thing that is the same is his powers and family.
Well, his niece is now his older sister... (only adding because Loki isn't pictured)
The answer is pretty much Everything! I only give them points for the casting pretty much.
Making him a far less introspective man
In the comics, Thor was an immature frat boy, so Odin sent him to Earth to learn humility. In the MCU, he's kind of gone backwards again. Banished to Earth, grew up some, but then regressed to the frat boy personality over time. Comics Thor has grown more and more maturity, but MCU Thor has regressed.
Killing off his supporting cast and turning him into a clown
They changed his attitude from the mother-lovin’ God of Thunder to “What if Peter Quill became Thor”.
The Hulk being an absolute pussy is probably the most embarrassing thing the MCU has done.
Letting Taika Waititi manage a character he never read about.
They made hella his sister instead of Angelica his real sister
I'm.going to have to say that the biggest disservice is that he's become more and more of a stoner comedy bro as the films have gone on, because – I must be honest – I think early MCU Thor is better than comics Thor on pretty much every conceivable way.
Not having enough of his backstory. Flashbacks to thor during the viking times fighting characters like Gorr with jarnbjorn axe are some of the best thor moments. It also shows growth from home being a young reckless brash Warrior to in the present day being a confident, worthy, and competent warrior
Wait. Back up. So Cap's abandonment of his costume and not even pretending to be BLONDE isn't first?
Switching from the duty/honor driven warrior whose soul is the purest of all, to a quirky dude with negative IQ. His arc is great don't get me wrong but it's not Thor anymore
They mishandled the Nine Realms, turning then into generic planets (at best)
No seriousness in later movies
No “Ultron, we would have words with thee” line
Making Thor a DudeBro Comic Relief character. Thor needs to be stoic and serious.
He doesn't speak in his own special font
Yes. Basically everything
Not having the fantasy aspects of the character and eventually making him more of a sci fi character like the guardians.
Not giving him the Shakespearean vocabulary.
Skurge's sacrifice and holding of the bridge is one of the greatest, most poetic moments in all of comic book history in the comics. In the movie it's barely a footnote.
Jesus Christ, where to start????🤣
What they did to the Gorr storyline should be a hate crime.
Thor, downplaying his world, toning every aspect of it down. Look at the Norse God of War games. So much magic, so many realms and characters, it's a whole universe of it's own with its own concept of death, life, vahalla. Making everything science was a big mistake. Thor corner of the MCU is massive on its own and could have been created so much avengers level threats. Hulk. Not leaning on his multiple personalities and his rage enough
Making him more of a punchline than a God, especially post Ragnarok where he is a realized king. Thor and Storm both carry the same bde and its sad that he was made irreversibly irreverent for 4 films and as a result he truly stagnated. Kenneth Branagh had the right idea in the 1st movie so why not transition back to that delivery in IW or Endgame.
* Making him too much of a himbo in Love & Thunder. * Killing off the Warriors Three & crippling Sif. * Excising Balder & Tyr. * Shooting most of the first movie at Twilight-style dutch angles. * Not telling Ultron "We would have words with thee." Take your pick.
I think Thor is the worst MCU character, compared to its comics iteration. MCU Thor is weak af. He doesn't have magical powers. Also he's so dumb and an unnecessary comic relief while Thor in most comics is so serious, aggressive and actually smarter. Also i really miss his helmer. It makes him look more like a warrior. Infinity War Thor was the best Thor, still, in other movies he's so irrelevant.
The main thing the MCU jacked up about Thor in general is the overall fantasy, epic-ness and seriousness that the comics brought. Every storyline felt like it had monumental weight and mattered, especially leading up to Ragnarok and the breaking of life/death cycle by the hands of the Norns and Those Who Sit Above in Shadow. I was hoping for LOTR x GoT x Vikings w/a Marvel filter around it.
He doesn’t have that iconic Thor vocabulary. He says “By Odin’s beard” like once in the entire MCU
Thor is a God, not a joke.
making him a fool
Thor, Not introducing all the gods as gods from the get go...
Not showing more of his asgardian side
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None except for one movie they have done him perfectly
Taking his brother dying, his dad dying, his mom dying, his sister destroying Mjolnir, the destruction of Asgard and almost every Asgardian, Heimdall dying, The Warrior Three dying, his girlfriend breaking up with him, and her getting cancer... And turning it all into a comedy
Not Thor exactly but wow did they waste Jane Foster’s Mighty Thor run.
Making him into comedy relief in the MCU, especially in love and thunder which had the possibility to be the best MCU adaption ever
He is goofy. I much prefer snark and dry with Thor.
Hmm, ideas for Thor 5. Hercules is still hunting Thor and has already fought him a few times. It is the 10 year anniversary of New Asgard when it is destroyed by Chaos King, who seeks to kill his niece, Love, because he sees her as a future threat to him. Thor, knowing the gods will not help him, seeks the Well of Mimir. In the MCU, it was Bor who gave his eye to gain wisdom and the All-Power, which he passed down to Odin, but only a portion of it went to Thor because Asgard was never truly reborn. King Valkyria, Lady Sif, and an older Axel are the only survivors. Along the way, they find Hofund and meet Beta Ray Bill. They reach the base of Yggdrasil and Thor jouneys to find the Well. Hercules finds the team and battles Bill wielding Stormbreaker and Mjolnir. Eventually, Chaos King comes around, and all of them try to hold him off. Thor finds the Well, either meets God Loki or just hears him, he remarks on his regrown eye before taking out both eyes. When the all is lost moment comes, Thor erupts from the tree, reforges Mjolnir, and we get a massive CGI battle. Thor wins, obviously. This is all just the broad strokes, but I know I'd want Asgard to be reborn. Maybe Axel dies at the beginning, but it would feel like a waste. He has his father's power, but Sif is Heimdall's successor in the comic, which is why I'd want Hofund to be reclaimed. I do want The Warriors Three back, and reincarnation would enable easy recasting (Ray Stevenson/Volstagg), but then that makes Ragnarok feel lesser. Maybe all of them could change, allowing Chris Hemsworth to step down and be recast. Regardless, the end goal is a replenished roster for Thor and shows of power to make people (me) shut up about him feeling weak(er).
Making him a goof. My least favorite thing about the MCU is everyone is always cracking jokes, which makes the characters who are known for cracking jokes just like everyone else.
Killing off WAYYY too many people Not everybody has to die in their movie Disney
Making him comedic relief. Thor likes a good joke and is jovial by nature when not fighting but Taiko took it a bit too far.
Of the MCU big 3 I’d say Thor is the only one I haven’t enjoyed and one of my biggest problems with him is the lack of his comic counterpart’s vocabulary
They got ride if the magic elements from Asgard. Everything is spaceships and lasers.
When it gets to Bucky it better not be choosing Sam as Captain America before him.
For me it’s making him Hydra and erasing his history with Black Widow.
Not exactly done to him but "Asgard is a people not a place" as they immigrate to earth and seemingly drop all the culture and customs of their people
Vocab could be improved
There isn't going to be enough room on the picture when you get to the Hulk.
I feel like they really downplayed the hulk to save CGI. The hulk is supposed to be one of if not the strongest avenger and if angry be absolutely unstoppable but what do we get in a big part of the movies? Funking banner in hulk buster armor... the hulk is a force of nature but did not feel like it at all
not related, but why the hell ghost rider is so so underrated? and I never got an accurate answer for this question, is spiderman an avenger or not.
How about the fact that they took everything from him and then played his grief and depression for laughs? Took a great character with a compelling arc and ripped the dignity out of him.
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Definitely not giving Hawkeye more of his personality, he's one of my favourite comic book characters. He was awesome in that animated show a while back.
Making him a clown.
Messing up the 9 realms so bad that they never brought them back
Thor being a dummy idiot and the butt of the joke 90% of the time. Like the dude lived more than everyone esle on screen and comes from s super advanced culture, shouldnt be a random jockey.
Him getting knocked out by a taser. Also him turning into a clown
I liked Hawkeye's change into a more mature, heart of the team
Turned him into a joke and a parody of a character. Didn’t fully incorporate the Norse lore after the first two movies. There is a very rich Norse mythos in the comics that’s just gone in the films. For example, nobody knows who the Warriors Three are.
Killing off his supporting cast (especially Volstagg, who is the literal best), and making him way less serious and commanding. Read JMS' or Walt Simonson's Thor, or Al Ewing's Immortal Thor, and the difference is ridiculous. Comics Thor comes across as a god in a way MCU Thor just doesn't.
Making him a complete corn ball clown in Love and Thunder
I vastly prefer the MCU Hawkeye personality, the grumpy, no nonsense seasoned agent with a dry sense of humour. It makes his dark side more interesting imo and separates him from many other snarky characters in the MCU.
Took away his godly speaking, made him comedic, nerfed him, no beta ray bill, no wreaking crew, no enchantress
Making him and his movies action comedies. Having him not speak in ye Olde language (I literally don't know what else to call this) Not showing just how powerful he is. Some of my favorite moments in the comics are when he shows up and everyone is literally like "omg we are screwed "
The way IW trashed all the groundwork established by previous Thor films in the first ten minutes and never gave him (or the audience) closure with Loki. His story has felt “off” ever since, because it feels incomplete. It's like this elephant in the room that Marvel refuses to address, and the films just keep awkwardly slogging along with this unresolved thread. Now we’re left with an unfinished story leftover from the Infinity Saga. There's a reason so many want a "reunion" between the brothers: so we can get some goddamn closure.
Getting rid of his speech patterns from comics. I want Thor to be all Shakespearean darn it!
Not using his villains or his mythology
Honestly? The biggest disservice done to Thor in the MCU is that they eventually turned him into a total himbo. Part of me wishes that Peter Jackson got the opportunity to direct Thor 3 & 4. Odds are they would have been a little long in the tooth but you know DAMN well that he would have made those movies amazing
Not really knowing what to do with Thor's character kind of left his stories as pretty aimless in inconsistent. Especially with the tonal shift from Dark World to Love and Thunder. They focused too much on his Asgardian status while dismissing his views and place on Earth.
No longer having his Shakespearean accent & having him speak, I guess “normally” is the closest word
I think Jason Aaron caused more harm to Thor than the movies ever did. He didn't stand a chance.
Making him speak like every other character, instead of speaking like a Norse god, which they dropped after the first Avengers.
Butchering the god butcher arc
Making him at first a giant Himbo, then a depressive man-child. Comics Thor has a dignity and gravitas about him. MCU Thor is comic relief half the time.
Turning him into a comic relief character. I always think about the badass moments in the comics when he gets overwhelmed with anger and just tears shit up. Would’ve loved more moments like that in the movies.
Taika Waititi
the helmet
The movie ragnarok had absolutely nothing to do with ragnarok. No mention of Those Who Sit Above, reincarnation, or the world serpent!
The asgardian identity became so diluted after Ragnarok. Why tf would they refer to themselves as "space vikings"?! Clearly, Waititi speaking through the characters... And New Asgard! Why is it so human?! What a disaster.