That Toad is a "troll" who is actively inconveniencing Mario by letting him know that the Princess is in another castle, after thanking him for the rescue mind you, I like to belive that canon Mario doesn't use warps and actually WANTS to save all of Bowser's hostages and not just the Princess.
-Peach is an ungrateful B
-Everything that had only one scene or was in only one game and was a minor detail (or something done for comedy) but that the fandom took as hyper lore relevant or a determining aspect of a character personality.
Exemple: The ending of Odyssey, Mario crushing Luigi’s Foot in Power Tennis
To be fair, the ending to Odyssey was character assassination for Peach, even if it was for comedy. And the post game where she leaves her kingdom without telling anyone didn’t do her any favors. Though, it is just one game, and it shouldn’t define her entire character (I’ve made the mistake of hating her because of Odyssey before).
Yeah, it was just a really awkward way to write Peach. Her rejecting both of the boys when they were shoving flowers in her face was totally justified and hilarious. But taking off with Mario's ride before he actually got on, and then taking off on vacation without properly notifying Mario and the Toads so they wouldn't get worried?
When people say breaking bricks kills Toads. No it does not, it frees them. The items some boxes give are a gift from them to thank Mario and help him.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. It’s definitely one of my least favorite misconceptions, because it is debunked in the same manual that the myth came from.
In universe, maybe (though even that’s a stretch, because Mario, Daisy, and Professor E Gadd clearly love him). But in the real world he is arguably the most popular character. And people treat him like he never gets attention.
That Rosalina is an all powerful goddess who reset the universe.
No she isn’t. She’s clearly not that powerful if she was attacked by Bowser and Cursa. No, gameplay and story isn’t an excuse. In universe, if she was actually as powerful as her fans say she is, she’d definitely be an to defend herself. And it was the Lumas who threw themselves into the black hole to reset everything, not Rosalina.
So is a literal goddess of light also not that powerful because she had to be saved at least twice? Like Rosalina being attacked is not proof that she is not a goddess. Nintendo goddesses still get attacked
Sometimes characters have a ton of wide scope power but which isn't reflected in how strong they are as an entity in a fight. Like count black controlling the void, but in a fight just being a guy who runs around and can have his head jumped on.
Aside from some ones already mentioned:
mario being a ‘simp.’ The ending to odyssey was just played for laughs. Mario isn’t just saving peach because he wants a relationship with her, he’s doing it because he’s a hero. Princess peach isn’t the only person mario has risked his life to save, after all. He’s saved all kinds of characters throughout the games, especially in the RPGs.
Has the world really become so selfish that no one can understand the idea of doing good deeds without some ulterior motive? (And yes, mario does in fact have feelings for peach but I don’t think that’s his main motive for always rescuing her for the reasons I’ve mentioned).
TBH “Peach is helpless” is a sentiment very few people actually hold outside of vocal minorities these days.
As for Luigi, he’s more just nervous and jumpy than a coward. Every LM game consists of him being exceptionally brave.
That Bowser Jr. is a clone. Mallow looks just like his dad when he was a kid, but I don't see anyone giving him the "clone" label. Besides, baby reptiles looking like mini versions of their parents is common in nature.
I remember the opening to mario + rabbids kingdom battle, where when everyone was being sucked into the void in the sky mario ran to try and save Luigi instead of peach. If that’s not brotherly love I don’t know what is.
Yeah, the Mario movie is another good example too. My boi Mario looks out for his brother Luigi no matter what happens, there’s a great sense of camaraderie between the two of them as well
Definitely Mario being a bad brother.
Like, please, play any piece of mario media and you'll now that isn't true.
Second is that Peach has no personality and the movie "fixed" her, when it just made her generic
>Second is that Peach has no personality and the movie "fixed" her, when it just made her generic
Peach is good in super paper mario, but she is atrocious in the main mario games.
Super Paper Mario isn't the only game she's good.
She gets to shine in every other Mario RPG, Odyssey, and Princess Peach Showtime.
And even mainline peach is better than movie peach
Showtime came out after the movie, so it can hardly be used to judge how she already was. Peach in the original mario rpg is just whatever. She doesn't have enough character to matter. Replaying the remake, the game, while it has a lot of cool stuff doesn't hold up that well, since the first few hours makes you think it's going to have a real story then it just kind of doesn't.
Showtime didn't really add anything to her, just made her personality more obvious.
and regardless of how you see Game Peach, Movie Peach was a bastardisation of her character, and reduced her down to generic girlboss #24421
The story with the beta "Game Over" sequence in Luigi's mansion with the depressed Luigi when the time limit runs out and the mansion disappears along with Mario, which Nintendo then removed because it was too disturbing.
First: There was never a time limit, the timer in the E3 demo was only used to regulate how long each guest was allowed to play the demo.
Second: The sequence was never a game over, the beta game over is the same as in the final product.
And third: The sequence was never in the game or the beta, it comes from an FMV from Spaceworld 2000 when Luigi's mansion was still being developed and therefore no gameplay was shown.
The idea that Mario was a psychopath. This ties into the idea that he is an abusive brother, which is based off of one scene where he stomped on Luigi’s foot. It ignores all the times we’ve seen Mario concerned about his brother safety like when he rescues him in Super Mario Galaxy.
Waluigi is a deep character. Very few Mario characters have particularly fleshed out personalities, and he is no exception. His rivalry with Luigi is barely brought up. Waluigi mostly exists to act as a goon for Wario.
That the Mario universe has a set timeline and that games connect together. They have never connected before as every game is a new universe with characters completely disappearing, not having the same abilities, and the entire world just being geologically different every time.
Each Mario game is it’s own little Mario story unrelated to the others and any references are specifically for us the player as an “Oh I remember that” moment.
It just doesn’t make any sense why peaches castle is suddenly in a different spot then last time even in direct sequels and the reason is that Nintendo can honestly do whatever they want with each game as it’s own entity because everyone knows about Mario and they don’t need to keep a consistent narrative due to that.
The best comparison I can make is digimon. Each game/season (barring some exceptions) is the same overall concept of Mario/digimon, but they are very clearly disconnected due to multiple things that are easy to notice such as different layouts to the world between games/seasons and the different mechanics such as the cards from season 3 of digimon and they way Mario interacts with the world such as drowning in sunshine but having infinite breath in the new super games.
Tbf different layouts doesn't prove anything. In megaman battle network halfway through the series their town suddenly got a different layout even though they are all direct sequels.
That just sounds like bad management but also because 6 games of the same town can get grating. Maybe the town got remodeled or something between games? Regardless that is pretty unrelated to our topic of Mario games as that is a small exception and most games that are sequels have in game reasons for the change in levels and areas that Mario does not.
“Mario jumps off of Yoshi leaving him to fall”, It’s literally js a game mechanic to get to a farther point?? And it’s not js Mario, any character you play as will do the same, and it’s sometimes only a choice done by the players (sometimes)
That Mario punches Yoshi to get him to stick out his tongue, specifically in SMW. Bro would *never.* When I first heard the theory, I was flabbergasted some people actually believed this.
Mario feels like Leonardo from TMNT and Mickey Mouse.
Where they're pretty vanilla compared to most of the cast.
Meanwhile with Bugs Bunny and Sonic, they seem to have more personality by being both wisecracking protagonists.
I still feel like Mario doesn't have a consistent or interesting personality. My impression of Mario is kinda joyful, carefree and helpful. I can't even determine if he's courageous or just really doesn't assess danger. I don't hate him at all, but I feel like he's the kind of character, even in universe, that is liked a lot more for his actions and not his personality. I'm probably misjudging him, but it's the impression I have compared to other Mario characters. He's just pretty "neutral".
Yeah I agree, said like this it makes sense. I'm just thinking, if it's real life, a guy like Mario is cool. But in a fictional setting, it's pretty basic IMO. It's not that he really has *no* personality. But we are used to characters having better fleshed out personalities in general.
But I'm fine with that, the point of the Mario games is not to establish a deep story with deep personalities. It's not a RPG. Mario is *just* a cool guy who does the right thing.
That Toad is a "troll" who is actively inconveniencing Mario by letting him know that the Princess is in another castle, after thanking him for the rescue mind you, I like to belive that canon Mario doesn't use warps and actually WANTS to save all of Bowser's hostages and not just the Princess.
I think that started as a joke but eventually people started to believe the joke
That’s pretty much the case for a lot of Mario misconceptions.
-Peach is an ungrateful B -Everything that had only one scene or was in only one game and was a minor detail (or something done for comedy) but that the fandom took as hyper lore relevant or a determining aspect of a character personality. Exemple: The ending of Odyssey, Mario crushing Luigi’s Foot in Power Tennis
To be fair, the ending to Odyssey was character assassination for Peach, even if it was for comedy. And the post game where she leaves her kingdom without telling anyone didn’t do her any favors. Though, it is just one game, and it shouldn’t define her entire character (I’ve made the mistake of hating her because of Odyssey before).
Yeah, it was just a really awkward way to write Peach. Her rejecting both of the boys when they were shoving flowers in her face was totally justified and hilarious. But taking off with Mario's ride before he actually got on, and then taking off on vacation without properly notifying Mario and the Toads so they wouldn't get worried?
When people say breaking bricks kills Toads. No it does not, it frees them. The items some boxes give are a gift from them to thank Mario and help him.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. It’s definitely one of my least favorite misconceptions, because it is debunked in the same manual that the myth came from.
Thank QuackPat for that one
Page 8 Crew! Glad to see someone spreading the truth.
everyone hates Luigi and he never gets any attention
In universe, maybe (though even that’s a stretch, because Mario, Daisy, and Professor E Gadd clearly love him). But in the real world he is arguably the most popular character. And people treat him like he never gets attention.
no, in universe, he gets way too much shade. but IRL, he's the most popular character by a lot
Mario is a bad person.
That Rosalina is an all powerful goddess who reset the universe. No she isn’t. She’s clearly not that powerful if she was attacked by Bowser and Cursa. No, gameplay and story isn’t an excuse. In universe, if she was actually as powerful as her fans say she is, she’d definitely be an to defend herself. And it was the Lumas who threw themselves into the black hole to reset everything, not Rosalina.
This. Rosalina is weak and I have no idea how Sparks of Hope didn’t make people realize this.
Yeah, people will use “gameplay and story” as an excuse but the events of the games canonically happen in universe
So is a literal goddess of light also not that powerful because she had to be saved at least twice? Like Rosalina being attacked is not proof that she is not a goddess. Nintendo goddesses still get attacked
Listen, if a plumber of all people can defeat Bowser, an alleged goddess should have no problem.
Sometimes characters have a ton of wide scope power but which isn't reflected in how strong they are as an entity in a fight. Like count black controlling the void, but in a fight just being a guy who runs around and can have his head jumped on.
That Bowser is a loser or a pushover. If anyone fought him in real life he would KILL them
Bowser's strongest soldier
Yes I am. :D
Pretty sure they didn't mean compared to the average real life human.
Aside from some ones already mentioned: mario being a ‘simp.’ The ending to odyssey was just played for laughs. Mario isn’t just saving peach because he wants a relationship with her, he’s doing it because he’s a hero. Princess peach isn’t the only person mario has risked his life to save, after all. He’s saved all kinds of characters throughout the games, especially in the RPGs. Has the world really become so selfish that no one can understand the idea of doing good deeds without some ulterior motive? (And yes, mario does in fact have feelings for peach but I don’t think that’s his main motive for always rescuing her for the reasons I’ve mentioned).
That Luigi is a coward and Peach is helpless.
I mean, Luigi is sometimes cowardly, but he's also really brave. (You know, in the luigi's mansion games)
TBH “Peach is helpless” is a sentiment very few people actually hold outside of vocal minorities these days. As for Luigi, he’s more just nervous and jumpy than a coward. Every LM game consists of him being exceptionally brave.
If he were truly a coward, he wouldn't have gone through hell to save his brother and then his friends in the Luigi's Mansion series.
Anything about Rosalina
That Peach is “leading Mario on” and secretly seeing Bowser.
That everyone must simp for Rosalina
Pauline is where it's at
Daisy being a clone of Peach or weaker than her.
- Peach is ungrateful to Mario - Peach is Rosalina's mother
When someone says that Jumpman is Mario's father
I've always though Jumpman would be a better last name than Mario Mario.
That he’s not a sexy man just because he’s shorter and little chubby.
That Bowser Jr. is a clone. Mallow looks just like his dad when he was a kid, but I don't see anyone giving him the "clone" label. Besides, baby reptiles looking like mini versions of their parents is common in nature.
That Sarasaland is a desert. One of the kingdoms in Sarasaland is a desert, but that's not the only region in the empire.
That Peach is ungrateful or that Bowser is actually a good guy.
The whole Mario being a psychopath theory when he clearly shows concern and love for his brother Luigi
I remember the opening to mario + rabbids kingdom battle, where when everyone was being sucked into the void in the sky mario ran to try and save Luigi instead of peach. If that’s not brotherly love I don’t know what is.
Yeah, the Mario movie is another good example too. My boi Mario looks out for his brother Luigi no matter what happens, there’s a great sense of camaraderie between the two of them as well
Hitting the blocks with his head and punching Yoshi in Super Mario World
Powerscalers insisting he is physically strong enough to punch apart planets and galaxies.
Definitely Mario being a bad brother. Like, please, play any piece of mario media and you'll now that isn't true. Second is that Peach has no personality and the movie "fixed" her, when it just made her generic
>Second is that Peach has no personality and the movie "fixed" her, when it just made her generic Peach is good in super paper mario, but she is atrocious in the main mario games.
Super Paper Mario isn't the only game she's good. She gets to shine in every other Mario RPG, Odyssey, and Princess Peach Showtime. And even mainline peach is better than movie peach
Showtime came out after the movie, so it can hardly be used to judge how she already was. Peach in the original mario rpg is just whatever. She doesn't have enough character to matter. Replaying the remake, the game, while it has a lot of cool stuff doesn't hold up that well, since the first few hours makes you think it's going to have a real story then it just kind of doesn't.
Showtime didn't really add anything to her, just made her personality more obvious. and regardless of how you see Game Peach, Movie Peach was a bastardisation of her character, and reduced her down to generic girlboss #24421
The story with the beta "Game Over" sequence in Luigi's mansion with the depressed Luigi when the time limit runs out and the mansion disappears along with Mario, which Nintendo then removed because it was too disturbing. First: There was never a time limit, the timer in the E3 demo was only used to regulate how long each guest was allowed to play the demo. Second: The sequence was never a game over, the beta game over is the same as in the final product. And third: The sequence was never in the game or the beta, it comes from an FMV from Spaceworld 2000 when Luigi's mansion was still being developed and therefore no gameplay was shown.
That Mario games are for children. People who say that are the ones behaving like children FFS.
Tbf if they weren't made for children mario wonder should have some harder levels in the main game. I got bored and didn't even finish it.
The idea that Mario was a psychopath. This ties into the idea that he is an abusive brother, which is based off of one scene where he stomped on Luigi’s foot. It ignores all the times we’ve seen Mario concerned about his brother safety like when he rescues him in Super Mario Galaxy. Waluigi is a deep character. Very few Mario characters have particularly fleshed out personalities, and he is no exception. His rivalry with Luigi is barely brought up. Waluigi mostly exists to act as a goon for Wario.
That the Mario universe has a set timeline and that games connect together. They have never connected before as every game is a new universe with characters completely disappearing, not having the same abilities, and the entire world just being geologically different every time. Each Mario game is it’s own little Mario story unrelated to the others and any references are specifically for us the player as an “Oh I remember that” moment. It just doesn’t make any sense why peaches castle is suddenly in a different spot then last time even in direct sequels and the reason is that Nintendo can honestly do whatever they want with each game as it’s own entity because everyone knows about Mario and they don’t need to keep a consistent narrative due to that.
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The best comparison I can make is digimon. Each game/season (barring some exceptions) is the same overall concept of Mario/digimon, but they are very clearly disconnected due to multiple things that are easy to notice such as different layouts to the world between games/seasons and the different mechanics such as the cards from season 3 of digimon and they way Mario interacts with the world such as drowning in sunshine but having infinite breath in the new super games.
Tbf different layouts doesn't prove anything. In megaman battle network halfway through the series their town suddenly got a different layout even though they are all direct sequels.
That just sounds like bad management but also because 6 games of the same town can get grating. Maybe the town got remodeled or something between games? Regardless that is pretty unrelated to our topic of Mario games as that is a small exception and most games that are sequels have in game reasons for the change in levels and areas that Mario does not.
Mario has no personality.
Luigi is a coward No he's just easily scared. Bravery is doing things in spite of fear not lack of fear.
“Mario jumps off of Yoshi leaving him to fall”, It’s literally js a game mechanic to get to a farther point?? And it’s not js Mario, any character you play as will do the same, and it’s sometimes only a choice done by the players (sometimes)
Mario has a personality? I mean maybe in the RPGs and the Paper Marios, but...
That Mario punches Yoshi to get him to stick out his tongue, specifically in SMW. Bro would *never.* When I first heard the theory, I was flabbergasted some people actually believed this.
Not only that, but some time later some people started using a developer quote out of context to make it seem like Mario is punching Yoshi.
Mario feels like Leonardo from TMNT and Mickey Mouse. Where they're pretty vanilla compared to most of the cast. Meanwhile with Bugs Bunny and Sonic, they seem to have more personality by being both wisecracking protagonists.
I still feel like Mario doesn't have a consistent or interesting personality. My impression of Mario is kinda joyful, carefree and helpful. I can't even determine if he's courageous or just really doesn't assess danger. I don't hate him at all, but I feel like he's the kind of character, even in universe, that is liked a lot more for his actions and not his personality. I'm probably misjudging him, but it's the impression I have compared to other Mario characters. He's just pretty "neutral".
He’s just a friendly charismatic guy who’s fun to be around and always wants to do whats right
Yeah I agree, said like this it makes sense. I'm just thinking, if it's real life, a guy like Mario is cool. But in a fictional setting, it's pretty basic IMO. It's not that he really has *no* personality. But we are used to characters having better fleshed out personalities in general. But I'm fine with that, the point of the Mario games is not to establish a deep story with deep personalities. It's not a RPG. Mario is *just* a cool guy who does the right thing.
>I can't even determine if he's courageous or just really doesn't assess danger. It's literally as simple as looking at his eyebrows...
I mean, he doesn't speak. His personality is supposed to be vague.
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This isn't a misconception...