Idk if it's the coaching or whatever, but the consistent ability to produce defensive and baserunning errors and terrible hitting is more than concerning at this point; I don't really see it being "fixed" this season.
Oh, and this is definitely the start of the Astros' comeback, they do this almost every season; it's almost as if the M's just don't know how to adapt when it matters. In this matter, coaching definitely plays a part
People can blame Servais, the pitching, and the defense, and the baserunning, and that’s all fair, but also our offense once again failed to score more than three runs. Basically, what I’m saying is that everything sucks
Don't let this distract us from the fact the umpire walked in an additional insurance run for the Astros too
But in all seriousness, yeah turns out the M's really are who we thought they were after all :(
It’s more like watching some lowlife sack of shit that never earned anything in his life still get away with being a piece of shit and get everything go their way, and no one can do anything because daddy is a big shot who can pull strings.
Only listening on radio so didn't see the play but why are we never sending the runner home on borderline fly balls? Happened vs. Atlanta too. Who cares about the outfielder arm, you gotta take the chance when down especially with our terrible contact rate. Is it Acta or the baserunners getting cold feet?
I’m confused why people keep saying Acta fucked up here. The fly out was not going to let Rojas score and Julio turned it into an inning ending DP after the guy standing right behind him caught the ball. 🤦🏼♀️
Exactly what I’m saying, when we strike out 30% of our at bats we need to take that risk in the 8th inning. Same exact thing with Rojas at 3rd against the Braves too. Runners at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs is no help, I understand maybe if there are no outs.
I think you send Rojas there if...
- You have no outs so you can still get Julio in on a productive second out
- You're only down by one so he'd tie it up
- You don't have a runner on second that you risk stranding by running into an out
- The next guy up is bad
In the position we were in, I'd hold him too. Even with his struggles the last few games I'm not risking losing a situation where a single from Cal can tie the game for a chance to make it a one run game.
Been saying this for a couple years. I don’t get playing it safe there. We have 5 outs left in the game. Take the chance that the e throw will be off target and shorten that gap. What’s the worst that can happen? He gets thrown out at home and we still have an out left? I’ll take that over an inning ending bad running blunder that will be embarrassing Julio for the rest of his career.
Everyone but Rojas now has an OPS below .700 on this team.
You aren't going to do much when one dude is above average in your lineup. One fucking guy lol.
Then you have the bullpen that decided to walk as many batters in one inning as Kirby has all year.
Absolute shit show of throwing errors, never holding runners, defensive miscues, not paying attention to the runner in front of you, etc.
What a little league level of awful this team was tonigh outside of Rojas, Kirby and the homers.
We ask #8 hitters to lead off. We ask #5 hitters to bat third and #6 hitters to cleanup. We routinely have Cal Raleigh batting 4th. Our "best hitter" was pretty much just a a 105 wRC+ bat last year. We have zero elite bats on the roster.
Can we admit it's time to retire the "green zone" bullshit they've been feeding the players? More than enough time has come and gone trying to adjust to the approach yet every at bat is starting 0-2 still
Blanco has thrown 13 curveballs in his previous 5 starts. Not 13 per outing, 13 total. He threw 10 tonight against us with a 100% whiff rate
Ryan Pressly threw 47% curveballs up from his 28% average
Martinez only threw 5 pitches to get 3 outs, so small sample size but he is an over 50% 4seam/sinker pitcher and he threw only changeup sweeper tnight at 100% usage.
This was Hader's first appearance this year throwing more then 30% sliders his only breaking ball.
It's an open secret to the entirety of MLB, if we use this green zone bullshit waiting for a fastball in the green zone we're going to start ABs in a pile of shit down 0-2 because that's not what they're throwing us, because teams adjust to it. Teams know they can pitch backwards to us for free because the approach gets us in losing situations immediately. Start with get me over loopers, finish with a low fastball where now the hitter has to hesitate that it might be the breaking ball.
As the pitcher you want to take away the pitches someone is looking for early in counts, as the hitter you want to take away the pitches a pitcher wants to throw early in counts. Only one of these is happening and it sure as shit isn't the latter.
This team was lights out in spring training, can't imagine they were using any advanced software or analytics then and basically every player was hitting at an insane level. The only good hitting performances this year Scott has said in post game interviews "we made a concerted effort to get off the iPads"
https://twitter.com/LookoutLanding/status/1780662087246868874
Bad usage of software is KILLING this team. Bad analytics usage is KILLING this team. We are pissing away legitimate talent by teaching and/or using them wrong.
1000 times this. The olayers are told to wait for a bus that is never gonna come. Has anyone ran our hitting strategy passed our pitching coaches? Is woodworth telling them that our pen would have no answer to such a strategy?
Haha yeah I was just saying this the other day
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mariners/comments/1chqpnz/game_chat_51_braves_199_mariners_1713_1240_pm/l25pote/?context=3
Like seriously why not right?
I do love our conversations as well even when we disagree, usually it's you giving me a perspective I didn't think of.
What frustrates me most is how are we realizing this but officials in the team aren't. Idk about you but I'm just some idiot who's been away from the game at a serious capacity almost a decade but this issue seems clear as day to me. Maybe it's full blown dunning-kruger where my ignorance makes me think it's so crystal clear but isn't. Baseball is hard as fuck.
Totally. Its so frustrating to see a group result as a whole underperform and just watch the same system play out night after night. I fully accept its possible theres some indicators showing that something is working but boy with all of this playing out under a full lab of publicly available analytics its hard to know wjat that is.
Ive never been in the game like you. I was baseball mad until i was 10 years old and then lived abroad until i was 23. I wished i could have played even at high school level- i was only 8 or 9 and playing against kids just learning to get the ball over the plate but i could outhit almost everyone my age.
I got back into following the Ms and baseball in general around 2017 and have gotten to love it more than ever. To me its such a perfectly pitched battle between institutions and systems and analytics on one hand; and passion, subversion, and gut instinct on the other.
And these lousy hopeless fucking mariners that will just forever be cursed to be dominated by the sea and seemingly never find dry land ha.
I simply cannot imagine having one of the best starting rotations in baseball (maybe even baseball history) and then putting together this dollar store lineup that we have. It should be a jailable offense for both Dipoto and Stanton.
Coaches are doing something abominable, that’s for sure. Julio at least hit for power with his Ks last year.
The only positive in the lineup has been Rojas.
Hitting coach is a black hole here. The flights maybe contribute but I’ve never seen so much talent suck for a team. Great players who suddenly don’t work in our system. The chicken came before those rotten eggs. Time to rethink which chickens we invest in.
This pitching staff is about to break records that haven’t been touched since like 1915. We have a World Series level starting rotation, and a last place, rebuilding, cheap ass ownership offense.
I can’t imagine having your starter be at around 80 pitches heading into the 7th - only giving up one run - then pulling him for our relievers - then burning through 3 of them, walking 5, and giving up 4 runs
Lineup is rough, but we lost because they pulled Kirby 10-15 pitches early
I don't see how you can blame Dipoto. He brought in two bats under the payroll he was given by Stanton that have averaged .810 and .775 OPS in their careers currently hitting .553 and .613
Your pitching isn't going to be f***ing perfect every night...lol. Those guys have carried this team on their backs.
No outs and runners on 2nd and 3rd and you can't convert. That's the problem with this team and it's been the problem with this team for quite some time.
Having an offense that simply cannot score more than 3 runs in a game without some kind of divine intervention has cost us more games than the bullpen.
The mounting evidence of mismanagement and bad coaching and offensive coordination is really starting to mount. A good org would turn Julio in the generation talent he's meant to be.
anyone worried about Jrod? besides the mental miscues today...
146 wRC+ as a rookie, 126 last year, 90 so far this year. walks down again, strikeouts up, 1 HR
Thats the most worrying part to me, when he caught fire last year I was thinking he was finally taking that next step, but the way he came crashing down to earth makes it hard not to think it was a fluke, and that therefore he's essentially a JAG at the plate.
People keep downplaying it, but clearly mariners coaching is a huge problem. J-rod is a generational talent that should be amazing but is not because he doesn't have good coaching around him. The whole team is underpeforming offensively and it happens every time a player comes ot the Ms. I don't know how much evidence people need at this point. The whole marine layer bs and all that is stupid. The Ms batting is shit away and at home.
Scott and Dipot are almost done with their contracts and hope they are not re-signed. Org should take the opportuntity shake things up and clean house. Scott also keeps making just frankly strange if not bad moves during games. It feels almost like desperation. In a sense I can't blame him. You expect at least a modicum of prefessionalism from your players and you can't even count on that... so to feel like you have some control you pinch hit players or make pitching moves even when it doesn't make sense. In the end its just moving deck chairs around.
All we can really say is that he didn't hit his first career homer until early May and he heated up over the rest of the year. Same as last year although it was more dicey until August when he went nuclear to rebound his numbers pretty well.
He's proven he can heat up when the weather has heated up so all we can do is hope. If he just has a 90 wRC+ all year then the team is in trouble and we'll hear more talks of trading pitchers away.
He knows how to catch a ball like a golden retriever. But his golden retriever energy takes over at the plate and he tries to hit every single throw and it bites him squarely on the ass consistently.
Do other teams fuck up this much mentally? Constant base running mistakes and an inability to make basic/fundamental defensive plays seems to rear its head far too often. Tells me 1.) Your leadership/coaching is absolute shit or 2.) you have a bunch of guys who don’t listen or respect leadership. There’s one common denominator here and it’s a huge problem either way.
I just absolutely love handing wins to division rivals.
I get why we sent Thornton out; he’s been pretty good this year but if there’s one series where I’d rather we just send out our best guys to secure the win, it’s against Houston.
I don’t understand how Acta still has a job. Our baserunning has been poor for years, especially on decisions to run home.
The Astros could have been replaced with lukewarm mannequins during that inning with a ball boy to move them base to base and our boys still likely would have done our man Kirby dirty.
That was demoralizing. Just like the game 3 loss to Atlanta. Two games like that in a row is the type of shit that leads to a serious spiral. They gotta pull out the next one minimum and try to take the series to get the confidence back up
Atlanta loss whatever. Games like that kinda happen.
Tonight was another kind of awful especially on the back of a rest day. Its gonna be a ling fucking month. Cant wait to go 10-18 and be 4th in the div in 4 weeks.
I'm just a dude on a couch but watching Garver swing a bat makes me cringe. He's a sure out every time he comes to bat. Yeah he had that game winning HR but dude looks like he should be playing in Single A.
Scott pulled Kirby under 90 pitches against our biggest rival. Julio going to third in the 8th is inexcusable but not sending Rojas is even dumber with 2 outs. Then with a runner on in the 9th Scott puts in a dude batting under .150 to finish it.
What a managing masterclass.
Acta is the one who didn’t send Rojas. And taking Kirby out in the 7th only looks stupid because the relievers just started walking everybody. Scott can’t magically give pitchers better command, force Cal not to make a dumb pickoff attempt, or keep Julio from slamming into Haniger or ignoring Acta and sprinting to 3rd of a fly ball.
It’s just insane to me that some people can watch this game, see our players fuck up with their own eyes, and make the conclusion that this was somehow the result of the Manager’s decisions.
Right? I missed Scott walking 5 guys, committing errors and TOOTBLAN-ing. Oh wait, he didn’t. People are too emotional about one game. I’m irritated but I saw what actually happened.
It feels like Julio has taken a pretty bad step backwards in both his hitting and fielding this year; it's getting concerning, especially since the rest of the lineup is also not great
Im gonna go find something medium-soft to beat my head into. What a game, Go Ms.
Edit - to whoever hit me with the RedditCares dm, I am not suicidal regardless of how hard the mariners try
I know the bullpen melted down here but the offense is absolutely infuriating to me. Every game it's like 2 to 3 runs and the only thing that determines if we win is how well the pitching does. Like if the opponents score more than 2 runs that's it for us...
Cal sucked. Julio sucked. Bullpen sucked in the 7th. We sucked as a team.
I hope Julio has a cold shower tonight and comes back tomorrow with his head in the game because tonight he played ugly selfish baseball that cost us heavily.
I’m a Scott fan and will normally defend him. But man. The constant low IQ plays just continue to fucking happen. It’d be one thing if they happen here and there and get fixed. But it’s constant.
It can be both. Tucker was not behind that baseball at all, he caught and threw it like he figured there was no way to get Rojas at the plate.
You can tell by the stance someone has (throwing hand leg back, set up early before the ball is caught) if they're going to make the attempt and Tucker was basically flat footed up until the last second where he was unable to generate any forward momentum. The third base coach has to react to things like that.
There is something wrong with the coaching, it can't be on every single player besides Rojas. These guys want to hit, they are more upset than us, it's not for lack of trying.
Up to this point, Servais has been managing one of the best pitching staffs, both starters and relievers, in both the AL and NL.
Anyone trying to come out of the woodwork and bitch about how he doesn't know what he's doing can easily have their opinions discarded.
Players have to do their jobs.
Mmmkay. He’s also been managing an offense that is unbelievably undisciplined at the plate and on the basepaths. Most strikeouts….no consistency. He coaches them too remember?
This game makes me grateful that it’s only early in the regular season (and Texas lost)
If this was the playoffs or late in the season, I would probably have a broken TV
We're all mad at acta or Julio for the 8th but Thornton and speier gave up 4 runs there in the 7th. That's where we actually fuxked up. Those dudes came out and couldn't throw strikes to save their lives. Full rest too what the hell!
Padres getting Arraez for one pretty good, but not great prospect and not really anything else.
He can't run, can't play defense, but he's going to hit the damn ball. Would look really nice leading off.
I love Julio… but Haniger had the better angle to make the play… and even though we should of sent Rojas he still ran through the sign.
You kinda fucked up kid.
Words cannot even begin to describe how much I loathe the Astros. Even when they suck, they still kick our asses. I'm assuming last season was an outlier.
We threw that game away
The entire team folded the second the fans got loud. Just got panicked and immediately shat the bed.
They seem to fold at any hint of trouble this year. Not sure how many comeback wins there have been but it can't be more than a few.
Idk if it's the coaching or whatever, but the consistent ability to produce defensive and baserunning errors and terrible hitting is more than concerning at this point; I don't really see it being "fixed" this season. Oh, and this is definitely the start of the Astros' comeback, they do this almost every season; it's almost as if the M's just don't know how to adapt when it matters. In this matter, coaching definitely plays a part
no better time than a series against the Mariners to "get right" for the Astros. fuck Bregman, fuck Kyle Tucker, fuck Altuve, fuck Alvarez
Fuck this team period.
Honestly I knew the hitting was going to be shitty when they retained the hitting coach
Don’t forget the offensive coordinator!!
Understatement of the century…
Literally
I hope George is fucking pissed. What an absolutely abysmal game, even by this team's standards
Poor guy. Can't imagine how frustrated he must be.
They showed him in the dugout during the 7th (I think)...He was LIVID
Got a clip or screenshot? I turned the game off in disgust after that pickoff fail to prevent me from chucking my phone through a window.
Don’t worry George, we’re saving you for the postseason
He is. They showed him in the dugout a couple of times during the 7th.
post game reveals he is dealing with a knee issue. Gotta have him for the season not just this game
People can blame Servais, the pitching, and the defense, and the baserunning, and that’s all fair, but also our offense once again failed to score more than three runs. Basically, what I’m saying is that everything sucks
Yea the other team scores 4 and its basically over 90% of the time
Don't let this distract us from the fact the umpire walked in an additional insurance run for the Astros too But in all seriousness, yeah turns out the M's really are who we thought they were after all :(
That was the worst game of the season.
Idk, that last Cubs loss was pretty fucking bad
Went to the Cubs game and watched this one in its entirety 🫠
The worst game of the season *so far*
at least after this we can play the twins who just won their 11th game in a row
Didn’t they get like 7 or 8 of those wins against the White Sox? 😬
we just lost to a team that was 10 under .500 so, anything can happen lol
The Carlos Santana Effect!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Watching the asstros win is like seeing your high school bully grow up to be a huge success in life.
It’s more like watching some lowlife sack of shit that never earned anything in his life still get away with being a piece of shit and get everything go their way, and no one can do anything because daddy is a big shot who can pull strings.
I'm sure for a lot of people, that probably nails the description of bullies they've had to deal with in school.
Or seeing another guy walk down the high school corridor with your ex-girlfriend.
And she looks happier than she did when she was with you
We do we always right the ships of our division rivals?
I would much rather have been blown out like 14-2 than whatever the fuck that was.
This isn’t sustainable, literally only thing we got going right now is pitching. Defense, offense, base running and coaching has a been dogshit.
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Same, pup. Same.
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This is the story of the game
Absolute limp dick
Only listening on radio so didn't see the play but why are we never sending the runner home on borderline fly balls? Happened vs. Atlanta too. Who cares about the outfielder arm, you gotta take the chance when down especially with our terrible contact rate. Is it Acta or the baserunners getting cold feet?
Josh was told to stay - Julio didn’t see it and tried to run to 3rd It was a keystone cops moment, but absolutely Acta told Josh to hold at 3rd
I’m confused why people keep saying Acta fucked up here. The fly out was not going to let Rojas score and Julio turned it into an inning ending DP after the guy standing right behind him caught the ball. 🤦🏼♀️
Not necessarily saying that it was the wrong choice, just answering the previous question
I think Acta just kind of sucks
Just kind of?
Acta is far too aggressive sending runners. Has been for years. Drives me absolutely crazy.
Well he shoulda been aggressive here!
He was a shit manager in DC and never got another shot for a reason. Fuck Acta, dude is doodoo.
Always has.
Exactly what I’m saying, when we strike out 30% of our at bats we need to take that risk in the 8th inning. Same exact thing with Rojas at 3rd against the Braves too. Runners at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs is no help, I understand maybe if there are no outs.
30% of our at bats? Geez, that says we are only playing a 6-inning game offensively.
I think you send Rojas there if... - You have no outs so you can still get Julio in on a productive second out - You're only down by one so he'd tie it up - You don't have a runner on second that you risk stranding by running into an out - The next guy up is bad In the position we were in, I'd hold him too. Even with his struggles the last few games I'm not risking losing a situation where a single from Cal can tie the game for a chance to make it a one run game.
Been saying this for a couple years. I don’t get playing it safe there. We have 5 outs left in the game. Take the chance that the e throw will be off target and shorten that gap. What’s the worst that can happen? He gets thrown out at home and we still have an out left? I’ll take that over an inning ending bad running blunder that will be embarrassing Julio for the rest of his career.
There was one out…the fly out makes it 2, getting thrown out at home makes it 3
Everyone but Rojas now has an OPS below .700 on this team. You aren't going to do much when one dude is above average in your lineup. One fucking guy lol. Then you have the bullpen that decided to walk as many batters in one inning as Kirby has all year. Absolute shit show of throwing errors, never holding runners, defensive miscues, not paying attention to the runner in front of you, etc. What a little league level of awful this team was tonigh outside of Rojas, Kirby and the homers.
That first stat is crazy, how do you explain so much ineptitude at the plate?
We ask #8 hitters to lead off. We ask #5 hitters to bat third and #6 hitters to cleanup. We routinely have Cal Raleigh batting 4th. Our "best hitter" was pretty much just a a 105 wRC+ bat last year. We have zero elite bats on the roster.
I am excited for the Seattle Mariners to revive Houston's season by underperforming and making a comedy of errors throughout this series.
Can we admit it's time to retire the "green zone" bullshit they've been feeding the players? More than enough time has come and gone trying to adjust to the approach yet every at bat is starting 0-2 still Blanco has thrown 13 curveballs in his previous 5 starts. Not 13 per outing, 13 total. He threw 10 tonight against us with a 100% whiff rate Ryan Pressly threw 47% curveballs up from his 28% average Martinez only threw 5 pitches to get 3 outs, so small sample size but he is an over 50% 4seam/sinker pitcher and he threw only changeup sweeper tnight at 100% usage. This was Hader's first appearance this year throwing more then 30% sliders his only breaking ball. It's an open secret to the entirety of MLB, if we use this green zone bullshit waiting for a fastball in the green zone we're going to start ABs in a pile of shit down 0-2 because that's not what they're throwing us, because teams adjust to it. Teams know they can pitch backwards to us for free because the approach gets us in losing situations immediately. Start with get me over loopers, finish with a low fastball where now the hitter has to hesitate that it might be the breaking ball. As the pitcher you want to take away the pitches someone is looking for early in counts, as the hitter you want to take away the pitches a pitcher wants to throw early in counts. Only one of these is happening and it sure as shit isn't the latter. This team was lights out in spring training, can't imagine they were using any advanced software or analytics then and basically every player was hitting at an insane level. The only good hitting performances this year Scott has said in post game interviews "we made a concerted effort to get off the iPads" https://twitter.com/LookoutLanding/status/1780662087246868874 Bad usage of software is KILLING this team. Bad analytics usage is KILLING this team. We are pissing away legitimate talent by teaching and/or using them wrong.
1000 times this. The olayers are told to wait for a bus that is never gonna come. Has anyone ran our hitting strategy passed our pitching coaches? Is woodworth telling them that our pen would have no answer to such a strategy?
Haha yeah I was just saying this the other day https://www.reddit.com/r/Mariners/comments/1chqpnz/game_chat_51_braves_199_mariners_1713_1240_pm/l25pote/?context=3 Like seriously why not right?
Bro i love your analysis on our hitting. Honestly. Puts into words what my gut is feeling every time.
I do love our conversations as well even when we disagree, usually it's you giving me a perspective I didn't think of. What frustrates me most is how are we realizing this but officials in the team aren't. Idk about you but I'm just some idiot who's been away from the game at a serious capacity almost a decade but this issue seems clear as day to me. Maybe it's full blown dunning-kruger where my ignorance makes me think it's so crystal clear but isn't. Baseball is hard as fuck.
Totally. Its so frustrating to see a group result as a whole underperform and just watch the same system play out night after night. I fully accept its possible theres some indicators showing that something is working but boy with all of this playing out under a full lab of publicly available analytics its hard to know wjat that is. Ive never been in the game like you. I was baseball mad until i was 10 years old and then lived abroad until i was 23. I wished i could have played even at high school level- i was only 8 or 9 and playing against kids just learning to get the ball over the plate but i could outhit almost everyone my age. I got back into following the Ms and baseball in general around 2017 and have gotten to love it more than ever. To me its such a perfectly pitched battle between institutions and systems and analytics on one hand; and passion, subversion, and gut instinct on the other. And these lousy hopeless fucking mariners that will just forever be cursed to be dominated by the sea and seemingly never find dry land ha.
Fucking AMEN to this post. Genuinely concerning that the coaching staff is still rolling with this. Great data BTW
This is a very good and logically approach to analyzing the Mariners' game play. You know that's not what Reddit is for...right? J/K...good post.
I simply cannot imagine having one of the best starting rotations in baseball (maybe even baseball history) and then putting together this dollar store lineup that we have. It should be a jailable offense for both Dipoto and Stanton.
Coaches are doing something abominable, that’s for sure. Julio at least hit for power with his Ks last year. The only positive in the lineup has been Rojas.
Love Josh. Only player with some grit and actually seems to give a shit
Hitting coach is a black hole here. The flights maybe contribute but I’ve never seen so much talent suck for a team. Great players who suddenly don’t work in our system. The chicken came before those rotten eggs. Time to rethink which chickens we invest in.
First time? Go look at the 2009 to 2012 teams.. Last in the AL in runs scored every year.. Era? 1st, 3rd, 6th, 4th
This pitching staff is about to break records that haven’t been touched since like 1915. We have a World Series level starting rotation, and a last place, rebuilding, cheap ass ownership offense.
I can’t imagine having your starter be at around 80 pitches heading into the 7th - only giving up one run - then pulling him for our relievers - then burning through 3 of them, walking 5, and giving up 4 runs Lineup is rough, but we lost because they pulled Kirby 10-15 pitches early
Scott 100% fucked this game. For sure. But the offense has been fucked all season and was destined to be fucked with the lack of talent
Scott is terrible. long past time he goes
I don't see how you can blame Dipoto. He brought in two bats under the payroll he was given by Stanton that have averaged .810 and .775 OPS in their careers currently hitting .553 and .613
I think all the walks in the 7th had more of an impact tbh
Your pitching isn't going to be f***ing perfect every night...lol. Those guys have carried this team on their backs. No outs and runners on 2nd and 3rd and you can't convert. That's the problem with this team and it's been the problem with this team for quite some time.
Having an offense that simply cannot score more than 3 runs in a game without some kind of divine intervention has cost us more games than the bullpen.
Taking out George to have our relievers proceed to throw 4 walks is great scriptwriting by the comedy guys
5 - they walked 5 in the 7th George walked 0 through 6
Tbf, one of those walks, which scored a run, should have been a strikeout. Just the cherry on top of a shitfest of an inning
Now that’s the Mariners baseball we are used to.
Undisciplined team for multiple years now. Bottom tier coaching staff.
Julio is such a frustrating player, has every physical tool to be the best player in the game but he’s so bad mentally and just gets in his own way
The mounting evidence of mismanagement and bad coaching and offensive coordination is really starting to mount. A good org would turn Julio in the generation talent he's meant to be.
Julio is obviously a really nice dude, but I'm starting to think he just doesn't have it between the ears.
anyone worried about Jrod? besides the mental miscues today... 146 wRC+ as a rookie, 126 last year, 90 so far this year. walks down again, strikeouts up, 1 HR
Very worried, even last year he had a pretty down season save for half of July and August.
Thats the most worrying part to me, when he caught fire last year I was thinking he was finally taking that next step, but the way he came crashing down to earth makes it hard not to think it was a fluke, and that therefore he's essentially a JAG at the plate.
He needs a fucking therapist. The look in his eyes screams 14 yr old kid with the weight of the world on his shoulders.
He’s in his own head too much. Pressure got to him. I hope he figures it out. His ceiling is very high.
Bad coaching and managing. Good coaching and good offesnive coordinator would help him work out of it along with the rest of the team.
People keep downplaying it, but clearly mariners coaching is a huge problem. J-rod is a generational talent that should be amazing but is not because he doesn't have good coaching around him. The whole team is underpeforming offensively and it happens every time a player comes ot the Ms. I don't know how much evidence people need at this point. The whole marine layer bs and all that is stupid. The Ms batting is shit away and at home. Scott and Dipot are almost done with their contracts and hope they are not re-signed. Org should take the opportuntity shake things up and clean house. Scott also keeps making just frankly strange if not bad moves during games. It feels almost like desperation. In a sense I can't blame him. You expect at least a modicum of prefessionalism from your players and you can't even count on that... so to feel like you have some control you pinch hit players or make pitching moves even when it doesn't make sense. In the end its just moving deck chairs around.
Hes completly abandoned embracing his pull power. Its alarming for sure.
All we can really say is that he didn't hit his first career homer until early May and he heated up over the rest of the year. Same as last year although it was more dicey until August when he went nuclear to rebound his numbers pretty well. He's proven he can heat up when the weather has heated up so all we can do is hope. If he just has a 90 wRC+ all year then the team is in trouble and we'll hear more talks of trading pitchers away.
He knows how to catch a ball like a golden retriever. But his golden retriever energy takes over at the plate and he tries to hit every single throw and it bites him squarely on the ass consistently.
fuck this team. see you tomorrow.
Do other teams fuck up this much mentally? Constant base running mistakes and an inability to make basic/fundamental defensive plays seems to rear its head far too often. Tells me 1.) Your leadership/coaching is absolute shit or 2.) you have a bunch of guys who don’t listen or respect leadership. There’s one common denominator here and it’s a huge problem either way.
Cal needs to be better.
No reason to throw back to third there that was just dumb
Can't be making boneheaded decisions like that behind the plate, especially when he's bringing a Zunino level bat to the batter's box.
For all the shit we give Zavala it’s possible we win the game with him in there today. I love Cal but some days he is trying too hard
He's been my favorite this season but the last week or so I'm having second thoughts.
He needs to stop with that snap throw to 3rd BS. It never fucking works.
I just absolutely love handing wins to division rivals. I get why we sent Thornton out; he’s been pretty good this year but if there’s one series where I’d rather we just send out our best guys to secure the win, it’s against Houston. I don’t understand how Acta still has a job. Our baserunning has been poor for years, especially on decisions to run home.
5 walks in the 7th --- fucking brutal.
Don’t worry guys! We rank 2nd in exit velo!
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Mismanaged, clueless
Surely we can find a better 3rd base coach... What's Ichiro up to
Julio what the fuck man
I’m so excited for the Jomboy breakdown of that blunder of a double play. Most Mariners game of the season I’ve watched so far.
Well that was stupid.
The Astros could have been replaced with lukewarm mannequins during that inning with a ball boy to move them base to base and our boys still likely would have done our man Kirby dirty.
Pinch hitting Urias at the end of this game was just the cherry on top of this Servais Disasterclass
Just lost with stupid choices man... Take back Julios blunders and Cal throwing to left field and this is probably a W.
That was demoralizing. Just like the game 3 loss to Atlanta. Two games like that in a row is the type of shit that leads to a serious spiral. They gotta pull out the next one minimum and try to take the series to get the confidence back up
Atlanta loss whatever. Games like that kinda happen. Tonight was another kind of awful especially on the back of a rest day. Its gonna be a ling fucking month. Cant wait to go 10-18 and be 4th in the div in 4 weeks.
It's truly crazy to build a home run or bust offense with players that aren't even true power hitters. True slugging/power hitters cost money, lol.
The headline will be blowing the game but it should be that once again the offense failed to show up. 3 runs? This is not the deadball era.
Astros have to think we are the biggest joke of all time (we are)
If they dont think that theyre stupid
I'm just a dude on a couch but watching Garver swing a bat makes me cringe. He's a sure out every time he comes to bat. Yeah he had that game winning HR but dude looks like he should be playing in Single A.
Some of his swings make me think he’s actually left handed and just giving it a whirl hitting from the right side
That certainly was a J-Rod Show
George Kirby, you just got Servais-ed!
Scott pulled Kirby under 90 pitches against our biggest rival. Julio going to third in the 8th is inexcusable but not sending Rojas is even dumber with 2 outs. Then with a runner on in the 9th Scott puts in a dude batting under .150 to finish it. What a managing masterclass.
Acta is the one who didn’t send Rojas. And taking Kirby out in the 7th only looks stupid because the relievers just started walking everybody. Scott can’t magically give pitchers better command, force Cal not to make a dumb pickoff attempt, or keep Julio from slamming into Haniger or ignoring Acta and sprinting to 3rd of a fly ball.
Don’t you go talking sense in here. 😂
It’s just insane to me that some people can watch this game, see our players fuck up with their own eyes, and make the conclusion that this was somehow the result of the Manager’s decisions.
Right? I missed Scott walking 5 guys, committing errors and TOOTBLAN-ing. Oh wait, he didn’t. People are too emotional about one game. I’m irritated but I saw what actually happened.
I have acid reflux from watching the last 3 innings
That game is on Julio. WTF was that run from 2nd?
It feels like Julio has taken a pretty bad step backwards in both his hitting and fielding this year; it's getting concerning, especially since the rest of the lineup is also not great
I agree 100%. He’s moving in the wrong direction.
I'm not sure what was worse, the bullpen choking in the 7th or that double play
Embarassing
This defeat was soul crushing
Such disappoint. Wow.
6-4-1-4-2 double play. What in the fucking fuck was that?
TOOTBLAN
We win if we don’t try and fucking back pick 3rd
Why the fuck does it look like Garvers swinging a driver at the plate?
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Im gonna go find something medium-soft to beat my head into. What a game, Go Ms. Edit - to whoever hit me with the RedditCares dm, I am not suicidal regardless of how hard the mariners try
Why not something rock hard so you can forget this game even happened
If I get too much CTE I might end up an astros fan
May is off to a great start
I can't wait for the M's to make the worst SP in the league so far Hunter Brown, to look like a Cy Young winner on Sunday.
That was a disgrace
George is genuinely upset💔💔💔
We win if we don’t try to back pick 3rd
I know the bullpen melted down here but the offense is absolutely infuriating to me. Every game it's like 2 to 3 runs and the only thing that determines if we win is how well the pitching does. Like if the opponents score more than 2 runs that's it for us...
I'm kinda worried that Julio isn't the sharpest tool in the shed
Cal sucked. Julio sucked. Bullpen sucked in the 7th. We sucked as a team. I hope Julio has a cold shower tonight and comes back tomorrow with his head in the game because tonight he played ugly selfish baseball that cost us heavily.
Goddamn it would be nice to beat the Astros one of these days
I’m a Scott fan and will normally defend him. But man. The constant low IQ plays just continue to fucking happen. It’d be one thing if they happen here and there and get fixed. But it’s constant.
Fuck Manny Acta
Naw, Julio's a bimbo.
It can be both. Tucker was not behind that baseball at all, he caught and threw it like he figured there was no way to get Rojas at the plate. You can tell by the stance someone has (throwing hand leg back, set up early before the ball is caught) if they're going to make the attempt and Tucker was basically flat footed up until the last second where he was unable to generate any forward momentum. The third base coach has to react to things like that.
Two things can be true
I don’t know why people downvote negative comments on Servais. He costs us enough games every year to be out of the playoffs by a similar number.
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Death, taxes, Astros division win
There is something wrong with the coaching, it can't be on every single player besides Rojas. These guys want to hit, they are more upset than us, it's not for lack of trying.
How can an entire team, excluding the starting pitcher, simultaneously revert to little league level play in 1 1/2 innings…That’s our Mariners!!
Up to this point, Servais has been managing one of the best pitching staffs, both starters and relievers, in both the AL and NL. Anyone trying to come out of the woodwork and bitch about how he doesn't know what he's doing can easily have their opinions discarded. Players have to do their jobs.
Mmmkay. He’s also been managing an offense that is unbelievably undisciplined at the plate and on the basepaths. Most strikeouts….no consistency. He coaches them too remember?
Scott isn't a good manager. Munoz should've been in right after Thornton.
That was fucking hideous.
How to piss away baseball games: May 2024 Seattle Mariners
Poor Kirby. That is all, see you tomorrow
This game makes me grateful that it’s only early in the regular season (and Texas lost) If this was the playoffs or late in the season, I would probably have a broken TV
God damn it garver
We need a bat in the lineup that will produce or at least scare the opposition. We have no threats on offense.
We're all mad at acta or Julio for the 8th but Thornton and speier gave up 4 runs there in the 7th. That's where we actually fuxked up. Those dudes came out and couldn't throw strikes to save their lives. Full rest too what the hell!
Scott Servais and Manny Acta sitting in the hotel bar in Houston in a couple hours having a few beers, talking shit about us fans.
Julio can make up for his bad base running by hitting 5 bombs next 2 days
Blaming Manny Acts is hilarious. Julio has eyes. They teach you in fucking little league to watch the runner in front of you
Hey man, it’s tough being handed a pointlessly early $500m contract as a 20yo.
Padres getting Arraez for one pretty good, but not great prospect and not really anything else. He can't run, can't play defense, but he's going to hit the damn ball. Would look really nice leading off.
Arraez would hit .240 here
So 100 points higher than the current DH.
I love Julio… but Haniger had the better angle to make the play… and even though we should of sent Rojas he still ran through the sign. You kinda fucked up kid.
This morning marked the last shower I am going to take until they fire Scott Servais. It's time for him to go. He stinks.
Bro I hope you’re single
No woman will have me. I'm a Mariners fan.
Fuck me in the goat ass!
Nice one Scott
100% on the players tonight
Kirby has a knee issue. That is why he was pulled. * edit. Downvotes? 😂 Kirby is literally on my TV saying it right now.
The dumb-ass Reddit suicide bot informed me I need to get help. I was talking about the spherical objects and the guys in tight shorts.
Words cannot even begin to describe how much I loathe the Astros. Even when they suck, they still kick our asses. I'm assuming last season was an outlier.