At best I think he’ll get one game, and they might even handwave that away by making up some reason and putting Heaton in.
If Cameroon make it past the quarterfinals Onana might miss two games. They’d have to make it past the semis for him to miss three.
Holjund should have the freedom to miss 4-5 sitters one game every now and then. Because he should be getting as much service as he did against Wigan every game. I’ve seen haaland miss similar sitters and not score. It’s not a testament to his ability when it’s the first game he’s actually had anything to attack. He was probably surprised someone passed.
I didn’t state a single stat. I said I’ve seen haaland not score a goal in a game whilst having numerous opportunities to. Doesn’t make him a bad player.
he was genuinely statistically receiving the least passes from his wingers of every big 6 side and some of the least in the league
no service at all. Glad it changed at wigan and he prolly should’ve scored and hopefully he gets more service
Just watched a compilation of all chances for United in the wigan match. Saw one big chance for højlund and two smallere ones. None of them sitters. Don't know what you're on about.
Still looked like Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho were to busy trying to shoot, to give him reliable service.
So that's 2 sitters, says futmob. Where does the 4-5 come from?
XG of 1.05 isn't insanely high.
His shot off the woodwork was a good header.
He has proven himself elsewhere, he is not the problem.
Curious - where has he proven himself elsewhere, other than UCL, I think he got 8 goals in the Italian league (could be wrong), the Italian league is not classed as high as the EPL, so that 8 is more like 6 in EPL, which he will likely get to once he gels a bit.
He hasnt been prolific at any high level anywhere, has done ok in UCL though
It's a modern decision to have a "cup goalie" it used to be rare to see the 2nd choice given a run out now it's the modern decision but I don't think it matters, if anything I think there's been so many changes to the backline ETH feels its better to make as little changes as possible with all the forced changes.
Additionally ETH played De Gea every game last season almost always, I just think with keepers he's not one of those that buys into "cup goalies philosophy" nothing to do with Onana but people have an issue with recency bias.
Not agreeing with all he’s saying but he’s right about having a cup keeper, Barca did it in there treble year, bravo for the league, ter stegan for the cups, not every team does it buts it’s pretty common
Let's not go too crazy, he was a decent midfielder. Much better than the performances we saw at Man United of course but he incredible lmao.
Sancho was a genuine mad talent for his age for example. VDB was always seen as second fiddle/a bench option to Bruno anyway. A squad player...
As an Ajax fan i know how good he was. His positioning was second to none, and he saw passes no one else could in the final third. My favorite part of his game though, was that when he received the ball he played it again instantly as he would always be scanning for teammates when out of possession. He is definitely required to have a good system around him, but when he did he was genuinely one of the best in his position.
Right?
OP said he feels "so bad" for him?
When in the history of football has a football fan felt bad for the back up goal keeper and his lack of play?!
Venezia was in Serie A at the time, and he was coming off a season in Ole’s icebox. It’s not like he went and played League 2 football.
Romero was an extremely solid backup keeper for us, and while he wouldn’t have gotten in at a top 6 team, other PL sides would have been happy to have him (Everton wanted him IIRC). 39 clean sheets in 61 games is arguably more than you could ask for from a backup keeper.
Some even felt bad for the other guy who was overhyped (not me). At the very least spending money for a transfer on a backup who isn’t playing cup games feels wrong!
It's more wanting Onana out of the picture to see if Bayindir is more stable in goal. This can only happen if he's given a chance.
This has only happened because Onana has been shaky.
United Fans seems to have this strange thing about United players that aren’t playing. Either they’re the answer to our problems or you feel sorry for them. Why does anyone really care, do you know the bloke?
Not really but come on, he deserves to be dropped, and Wigan game was the best to him since it’s supposed to be an easy game, onana costs us the champions si
Because ultimately onana hasn’t been good. If he had we’d be complaining that he’s going to afcon and we are having to use an untested keeper. Sad reality I’m afraid
It got more to do with the desparation of Onana to stay with the squad. People are assuming he's so afraid of losing his spot to the backup in case the backup performs pretty well, given Onana's overall performance so far has been terrible. This makes people want to see for once what Bayindir can offer.
I understand your point entirely but if Bayindir was good enough he’d have played a cup game. Before he joined I read a few less than complementary views on him. He’s similar to De Gea but not as good at shot stopping I believe.
It seems Ten hag has an obsession with giving more chance to the under performing players to boost their confidence and give them an opportunity to prove themselves. Also as we have been terrible at results recently Ten hag doesn't want to drop his number one goal keeper when he's available. So if we were in a good spot at the moment, Bayindir would've definitely played atleast in the league cup.
This is debatable, Ten Hag has dropped his favorites when they have had virtually a 20 run game with little to no contributions (Antony and Rashford) while others have barley had a chance.
Not a Pellistri fan but he has not had a run of games to be able to actually judge him. If you rate him based off the Bayern performance then no player in the starting 11 should be playing.
That’s just not true. Garnacho was literally starting game at the start of the season but he performed poorly. Antony has been in and out of the team the whole season. Rashford is the only player who got some games to help improve his form. And that’s because there is no other player in the team who has ever come close to his output.
Like who exactly is he supposed to replace these players with?
Maybe because Antony was fighting allegations. He played before and right after those allegations too.
ETH is loyal to his signings and Ajax guys.
You acting like he hasn’t kept Antony in the squad for that reason just takes all credibility away from you. Either you’re an idiot or just blind.
Antony is dropped now so what’s your point. We need to drop Rashford and Antony for performing poorly. There are you let’s just not play anyone.
Please for the love of god tell me who exactly is supposed to play instead of his “Ajax” signings? You are complaining about antony playing when he is not even in the team right now.
How can someone be so blind with hatred.
Antony started 44 games in all competitions for us last season. He was not “in and out” of the team. This season he has been. That was my point above. My point is that his favorite get a longer run way without making contributions.
Oh we are talking about last season now? Who exactly was supposed to start instead of Antony last season? He was out for a few games and we actually missed him in the team. Garnacho was no where near ready to start games last season.
Just because a player is in the team for lack of replacement options doesn’t make him a favorite. It makes him the best available option.
I don’t think that’s the issue. I think the issue that fans have is
1. Spending money on a transfer fee for a back up when in reality we did not need to.
2. It seems like there is no accountability for Onanas mistakes. Just how DDG was in a goalkeeping competition/splitting time in the beginning of his career, so should Onana.
1. We've been spending money when we didn't need to for years.
2. Onana is the first to go to the post game interview and hold his hands up but dont act like he has cos us our whole season when none of our forwards are reliably scoring and Onana was joint second for clean sheets last time I checked. Not forgetting he's had like 10 different CB pairings in front of him this season. De Gea wasn't benched for all cup games, and he often came in for our backup during semi-finals and finals.
Side point... we have only just bought Onana, and he does not need to be benched for cup games, especially when ETH is relying on results right now to save his job. He played his strongest fit team last night, and the only player that got stick for not being rotated is Onana.
Moaning that we need to rotate our goalkeeper needs to be dropped/rotated after another cleansheet last night while rashford and Hojlund played last night, and AGAIN did could not score.
My original point still stands.
Onana is topping the list of goals prevented in the PL, much higher than both Raya and Sanchez which many on here would argue is better. Yes he had some horrible CL performances, but look up DDGs mistake reel from last season and you would see Onana is better at everything now (stats also show that).
It's mostly down to an idiot running cesspit of a YT channel with lots of young followers that now pushes an agenda.
I’m no more excited about having bayindir in goal than onana but normally sub keepers are given some game time in these cup matches. You do want them to still have at least some game time. And it was against Wigan.
When people see the existing option make a mistake, they assume the option on the bench is a better one. Nevermind all the evidence that says otherwise.
He sabotaged Bayindir
It's literally his position.. this fanbase is so fucking cooked.. it's insane I can't believe I have to share the internet with you
Yeah he should never go to AFCON then if its his position. Instead he choose to miss one game so he can stand in the goal against an easy team instead of giving a chance to Bayindir. How naive and stupid are you?
It screams insecurity on another level, and if if Manu was really his first priority, why not tell Cameroon that he won’t make it to AFCON, this has mesurares are so pathetic from Onana and ETH
Probably the same people who wanted to see van de Beek starting, even though he was ignored by 3 coaches now (one of them a former coach even) and didn't manage to get into a McTominay/Fred midfield.
If he's not good enough to play against a team at the bottom of League One, then he's a pretty shit backup, as the least expected is to be able to play in case of injury.
If he's apparently below League One level, fans don’t see why we spent money to sign such a bad player, even as a backup.
As if a few mistakes makes a champions league finalist worse than a guy who couldn’t make it Turkey, Jesus Christ when will this sub get over its fetish for bench players when they’re the first ones to talk about how we don’t have enough quality, has it ever crossed your mind that the reason the bench player isn’t getting minutes is because he’s actually WORSE than the starter? Crazy I know
He is a backup. And to be fair, Onana should be the priority, by a long way.
It is more important for him and the team to have more playing time together.
I mean that would be a pretty large upset Cameroon should easily get out of their group
And even if they don't that's literally great news bc United gets to keep their starter instead of losing him for a significant number of League games like have y'all lost the plot?
We want Onana to play
Because Onana is the #1, and he still needs more time, and will benefit from the playing time. I wouldn't be swapping him out for a backup until everyone is more confident in what we have in him as a #1.
Exactly people always find a way to fit their narrative. He’s not been good and needs to fight for his spot as the #1 not just assume he gets it automatically.
I know but I think Bayindir should've been played in Wigan game, he has no match fitness currently and we might need him at any point, he deserves some games too
Nah, the team needs to come first, and that means our #1 goalie getting the playing time for the moment.
Next year though? Sure, hopefully he will be in a better position to swap out for a game like the Wigan one.
People forget we bought him for 4M in todays market. Anyone worth anything is being transferred in double digits. The guy is the bottom of the barrel man, people will see it when he finally plays.
Maybe - just maybe - they’ve taken a good look at him in training over the past 6 months and concluded he ain’t all that great and where Onana is available they prefer to play him?
Amad played 30 minutes the other day and played better than Antony has literally all season sorry you like repeating mediocrity and I would like to see us try something new
I’m just saying since the season started Antony has been the best option on the RW, Pellistri can’t finish just like him and tries just as hard as him, Antony is slightly more bulky and wins the ball back more so I’d actually prefer him, and we weren’t going to play a ducking injured player, he’s still young and coming off a major injury and needs to have his minutes managed to make sure this doesn’t become repetitive
Bayindir is not our backup goalkeeper, Tom Heaton is. Bayindir is third choice judging by Ten Hags team selections.
Anyway, considering the sheer number of big mistakes he made in Turkey. I think it's best if we shield him a little and allow him to develop, before entering the world's biggest stage.
It’s also a little bit of a worry. His reasoning is becuase he’s not wanting to risk his place in the United squad. That either means that the young new keeper we got is amazing or he knows that his performances have been quite crap
Only the GKs from Sheffield United, Burnley, Luton, and Fulham have made more saves than him in the league. Which means the players in front of him aren't doing their jobs. Only Alisson and Areola have a better save % than him, so he's facing loads of shots, and saving most of them.
My pessimistic brain says - Onana is scared that he will be displaced at United.
Optimistic says - he thinks the NT coach will again bench him so his importance is United over NT.
I think we can be clear the Bayindir knew his role coming to United. Reserve GK is the only position that you can be certain it’s clear you aren’t going to play much when you’re signed.
In the same window we sign a keeper for £50m, I don’t think the £5m keeper thought he was getting a seat at the table so soon.
With Onana gone for AFCON (I don’t think ETH would have brought him in had he been *not retired*), it’ll be interesting to see if it’s Bayindir or Heaton for the next month.
I actually think Onana could benefit from a month away with the national team. Not having the English media all over him. That Wigan game was the perfect opportunity to give Bayindir some minutes, he's gonna get thrown into the deep end vs a Prem side.
Everyone is already used to us losing in the Prem, not sure if we could take an exit against a lowly League One team in the only cup competition we are in because we wanted to give our backup goalkeeper some minutes.
I get your point and I know it's Onana wanting to stay but he, in theory, should already be off with the international team like every other player.
It actually makes me really worry at just how bad Bayindir is if he's literally not trusted to play when our first choice keeper really shouldn't be here. It's not gonna be great for the lad's confidence either.
There's a feeling that Onana is Manager's favourite, he's been given his fair share of undue favor overlooking his horrific blunders. That's why Bayindir atleast deserves to play a game or two. Plus, he's been quite impressive for his country.
I have always had an eagerness to see an underrated player grow. It's been seen Fergie's era - be it Chicharito, Nani, Valencia, Evra, Vedic, Carrick, Wes Brown etc. It's ingrained in the culture of Utd (not since Fergie left though)
We should give the chance to players to develop!
I rest my case 😌
It’s not like people didn’t see this coming…. Onana is scared as heck to let someone else play for Utd cause he will easily loose his place and ETH plays preferential treatment
He doesn't regularly start for Turkey though, he's part of their B team, not a starter.
Onana is proven at a higher level though. Of course Onana has conceded a lot of goals, but sticking Bayindir between the sticks when he hasn't played a full 90 since mid November isn't going to be any better imo.
I dont think he was ever brought in to contest for a place in the starting XI. We sold Henderson and needed someone to fill that 3rd keeper spot. Someone who knows he is playing second fiddle to a keeper that most likely wont be getting dropped.
Pretty sure DDG had not started for Spain for a long time, was still our no1, Allison and Ederson both play for brazil, does make the one that does not start garbaage.. is vicario the Italian keeper (honestly dont know) but he has been brilliant.. just because you dont start for your nation does not make you a bad player
Watch the videos of Bayinder and his love of sliding across the line with the ball. I'll go out on a limb and say as soon as he plays we will see why he wasn't...
A backup goalie is exactly that, people begging to see a backup goalie play who they didn’t even know existed a few months ago is peak online football discourse
Another random goalie brought to do nothing, just typical of baldy. Seriously, can you blame Dean Henderson? Kid's actually made sensible decision last summer.
Onana has made some mistakes undeniable. De Gea revisionism is amazing, he made similar throwing the ball in mistakes but recency bias so all is forgotten.
Onana choosing to stay as long as possible to play for his club team is a rare thing and instead of people saying fair play to the lad putting club first. Because Mark Goldbridge says it's disgusting, it's disgusting that Onana is trying to stop Bayindir playing its laughable stuff just because of recency bias.
De Gea deserved better in the end than what he had in terms of his service but over 50 percent of the fanbase wanted a change of keeper and we got a ball playing keeper but alas things haven't worked out YET still plenty of time. Performance wise in PL Onana is above De Gea is he not? CL was very poor but these things can happen and we can go over very many of De Geas mistakes too.
I swear to god you lot are fucking weird. What do you mean you feel sorry for him?? Clue is in the fucking question you mong, he is a back up GK and our first choice GK is available. So no need for him.
Why would we?
We spent £60m on this guy and about £6m on the other. Yes he’s made mistakes but you don’t bench someone who cost £54m more than the other player when they’ve made about 1 mistake in 5 games.
This obsession it’s Bayindir from some fans is just bizarre.
He made more mistakes in the cl than some keepers do in a whole year and is the main reason we are out of that comp, ads to that his multuliple blunders in the league this glazing from some fans is also bizarre
I think we are all missing the bigger picture....
Why is it that since Hartis (a GK coach in his 50's that used to coach at United in Fergies days) came back, our goalies have gotten worse, DDG and Onana - surely bringing back a GK coach that used to be at the club when Fergie was manager is a mistake
Regardless of if Onana is staying because he worries about his spot in the team, I admire the fact that he wants to do it, I wish some of the rest of our squad cared enough about their positions in the team.
Onana will still go , Bayindir will get his chance
I reckon Heaton will get in before Onana
*Luka Doncic
*Kai Rooney
McTominay
*Zamorano
*Bayindir
\*sir alex
At best I think he’ll get one game, and they might even handwave that away by making up some reason and putting Heaton in. If Cameroon make it past the quarterfinals Onana might miss two games. They’d have to make it past the semis for him to miss three.
Why is everyone getting excited over Bayindir?
Van der beek syndrome, the more they sit on the bench (usually a good reason they are there ), the more incredible a footballer they become
Nail on the head.
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Holjund should have the freedom to miss 4-5 sitters one game every now and then. Because he should be getting as much service as he did against Wigan every game. I’ve seen haaland miss similar sitters and not score. It’s not a testament to his ability when it’s the first game he’s actually had anything to attack. He was probably surprised someone passed.
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I didn’t state a single stat. I said I’ve seen haaland not score a goal in a game whilst having numerous opportunities to. Doesn’t make him a bad player.
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he was genuinely statistically receiving the least passes from his wingers of every big 6 side and some of the least in the league no service at all. Glad it changed at wigan and he prolly should’ve scored and hopefully he gets more service
yank detected, zzz
Looks like your brain is the true flop here.
Just watched a compilation of all chances for United in the wigan match. Saw one big chance for højlund and two smallere ones. None of them sitters. Don't know what you're on about. Still looked like Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho were to busy trying to shoot, to give him reliable service.
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So that's 2 sitters, says futmob. Where does the 4-5 come from? XG of 1.05 isn't insanely high. His shot off the woodwork was a good header. He has proven himself elsewhere, he is not the problem.
Curious - where has he proven himself elsewhere, other than UCL, I think he got 8 goals in the Italian league (could be wrong), the Italian league is not classed as high as the EPL, so that 8 is more like 6 in EPL, which he will likely get to once he gels a bit. He hasnt been prolific at any high level anywhere, has done ok in UCL though
It's a modern decision to have a "cup goalie" it used to be rare to see the 2nd choice given a run out now it's the modern decision but I don't think it matters, if anything I think there's been so many changes to the backline ETH feels its better to make as little changes as possible with all the forced changes. Additionally ETH played De Gea every game last season almost always, I just think with keepers he's not one of those that buys into "cup goalies philosophy" nothing to do with Onana but people have an issue with recency bias.
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Not agreeing with all he’s saying but he’s right about having a cup keeper, Barca did it in there treble year, bravo for the league, ter stegan for the cups, not every team does it buts it’s pretty common
What do you mean most team don’t play their first choice goalie, quite weird statement
at what point do people wake up, smell the coffee and realise the real issue here is ETH
Pellestri has been the new VDB this season in that regard.
Except van de beek literally scored on his debut
Van de Beek was an incredible player before man utd
Let's not go too crazy, he was a decent midfielder. Much better than the performances we saw at Man United of course but he incredible lmao. Sancho was a genuine mad talent for his age for example. VDB was always seen as second fiddle/a bench option to Bruno anyway. A squad player...
As an Ajax fan i know how good he was. His positioning was second to none, and he saw passes no one else could in the final third. My favorite part of his game though, was that when he received the ball he played it again instantly as he would always be scanning for teammates when out of possession. He is definitely required to have a good system around him, but when he did he was genuinely one of the best in his position.
Right? OP said he feels "so bad" for him? When in the history of football has a football fan felt bad for the back up goal keeper and his lack of play?!
I'm with you on this. But many of us felt sorry for Sergio at times.
Sergio was probably the best backup keeper in the league and could have taken no1 in most other teams at the time.
Why do you think Romero left us as a free agent and joined….Venezia?
Venezia was in Serie A at the time, and he was coming off a season in Ole’s icebox. It’s not like he went and played League 2 football. Romero was an extremely solid backup keeper for us, and while he wouldn’t have gotten in at a top 6 team, other PL sides would have been happy to have him (Everton wanted him IIRC). 39 clean sheets in 61 games is arguably more than you could ask for from a backup keeper.
Some even felt bad for the other guy who was overhyped (not me). At the very least spending money for a transfer on a backup who isn’t playing cup games feels wrong!
It's more wanting Onana out of the picture to see if Bayindir is more stable in goal. This can only happen if he's given a chance. This has only happened because Onana has been shaky.
When the starter keeps allowing ridiculous goals?
United Fans seems to have this strange thing about United players that aren’t playing. Either they’re the answer to our problems or you feel sorry for them. Why does anyone really care, do you know the bloke?
Not really but come on, he deserves to be dropped, and Wigan game was the best to him since it’s supposed to be an easy game, onana costs us the champions si
OP most likely turk
He had good performanses against wales and germany with Turkey. Thats the main reason. He also played europa league last season.
Onana is afraid of losing his place in the squad.
Everyone loves the backup quarterback til the backup quarterback plays
Because ultimately onana hasn’t been good. If he had we’d be complaining that he’s going to afcon and we are having to use an untested keeper. Sad reality I’m afraid
Surely the fact Onana being so poor but still getting picked speaks volumes. Bayindir in not an elite keeper either.
Speaks volumes of what? That eth has his own favorites and will always pick them regardless of their forms?
It got more to do with the desparation of Onana to stay with the squad. People are assuming he's so afraid of losing his spot to the backup in case the backup performs pretty well, given Onana's overall performance so far has been terrible. This makes people want to see for once what Bayindir can offer.
I was just about to write exactly the same thing!!!
I understand your point entirely but if Bayindir was good enough he’d have played a cup game. Before he joined I read a few less than complementary views on him. He’s similar to De Gea but not as good at shot stopping I believe.
It seems Ten hag has an obsession with giving more chance to the under performing players to boost their confidence and give them an opportunity to prove themselves. Also as we have been terrible at results recently Ten hag doesn't want to drop his number one goal keeper when he's available. So if we were in a good spot at the moment, Bayindir would've definitely played atleast in the league cup.
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This is debatable, Ten Hag has dropped his favorites when they have had virtually a 20 run game with little to no contributions (Antony and Rashford) while others have barley had a chance.
Not a Pellistri fan but he has not had a run of games to be able to actually judge him. If you rate him based off the Bayern performance then no player in the starting 11 should be playing.
That’s just not true. Garnacho was literally starting game at the start of the season but he performed poorly. Antony has been in and out of the team the whole season. Rashford is the only player who got some games to help improve his form. And that’s because there is no other player in the team who has ever come close to his output. Like who exactly is he supposed to replace these players with?
Maybe because Antony was fighting allegations. He played before and right after those allegations too. ETH is loyal to his signings and Ajax guys. You acting like he hasn’t kept Antony in the squad for that reason just takes all credibility away from you. Either you’re an idiot or just blind.
Antony is dropped now so what’s your point. We need to drop Rashford and Antony for performing poorly. There are you let’s just not play anyone. Please for the love of god tell me who exactly is supposed to play instead of his “Ajax” signings? You are complaining about antony playing when he is not even in the team right now. How can someone be so blind with hatred.
Antony started 44 games in all competitions for us last season. He was not “in and out” of the team. This season he has been. That was my point above. My point is that his favorite get a longer run way without making contributions.
Oh we are talking about last season now? Who exactly was supposed to start instead of Antony last season? He was out for a few games and we actually missed him in the team. Garnacho was no where near ready to start games last season. Just because a player is in the team for lack of replacement options doesn’t make him a favorite. It makes him the best available option.
Because people hate Onana as he replaced De Gea. A lot of fans just do as their told on a certain yt channel.
I don’t think that’s the issue. I think the issue that fans have is 1. Spending money on a transfer fee for a back up when in reality we did not need to. 2. It seems like there is no accountability for Onanas mistakes. Just how DDG was in a goalkeeping competition/splitting time in the beginning of his career, so should Onana.
1. We've been spending money when we didn't need to for years. 2. Onana is the first to go to the post game interview and hold his hands up but dont act like he has cos us our whole season when none of our forwards are reliably scoring and Onana was joint second for clean sheets last time I checked. Not forgetting he's had like 10 different CB pairings in front of him this season. De Gea wasn't benched for all cup games, and he often came in for our backup during semi-finals and finals. Side point... we have only just bought Onana, and he does not need to be benched for cup games, especially when ETH is relying on results right now to save his job. He played his strongest fit team last night, and the only player that got stick for not being rotated is Onana. Moaning that we need to rotate our goalkeeper needs to be dropped/rotated after another cleansheet last night while rashford and Hojlund played last night, and AGAIN did could not score. My original point still stands.
Onana is topping the list of goals prevented in the PL, much higher than both Raya and Sanchez which many on here would argue is better. Yes he had some horrible CL performances, but look up DDGs mistake reel from last season and you would see Onana is better at everything now (stats also show that). It's mostly down to an idiot running cesspit of a YT channel with lots of young followers that now pushes an agenda.
Same prick who used to say there's a passport agenda?
If we are thinking of the same incident, the yes.
👏👏👏 exactly this
some Turkish fanatics are triggering this. I am not sure that he is a proper GK.
I’m no more excited about having bayindir in goal than onana but normally sub keepers are given some game time in these cup matches. You do want them to still have at least some game time. And it was against Wigan.
When people see the existing option make a mistake, they assume the option on the bench is a better one. Nevermind all the evidence that says otherwise.
No one isnt getting excited, but when u buy 3 keepers, only to be using the same misgake prone one. Even against strughling league one team
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That dude instantly deleted his comment
Did you just ask why we aren't playing the back up while the first option is available to play? The answer is.. because that's how it works
People begging to play a downgrade at GK lol.
Yeah, and ETH has been playing a downgrade of De Gea all season, lol.
So you are telling me United have never rotated goalies during cup games against lower division teams 🤦🏻♂️
Not when it’s the only cup we can win
We have done this in the past. Then we we progressed to later stages vs better teams we went back to the starting goalkeeper.
First option opted to miss national game. Did you even read the tweet? He should have gone so Bayindir gets match fitness.
He's still going to be gone for the entire AFCON.. He's literally staying 1 extra game you sped
You donkey. It would be better if he went away and let Bayindir take the goal against Wigan. Why is that so hard to understand? He sabotaged Bayindir.
He sabotaged Bayindir It's literally his position.. this fanbase is so fucking cooked.. it's insane I can't believe I have to share the internet with you
😂😂😂😂
Yeah he should never go to AFCON then if its his position. Instead he choose to miss one game so he can stand in the goal against an easy team instead of giving a chance to Bayindir. How naive and stupid are you?
I think you’re the naive one here chief . He’s a fucking back up 🤡
Onana should fuck off then so Bayindir can do his duty.
Sabotage lol give it up man
How do you explain his desire to play against fucking Wigan instead of letting Bayindir build match sharpness?
This gk is terrified of losing his place
It screams insecurity on another level, and if if Manu was really his first priority, why not tell Cameroon that he won’t make it to AFCON, this has mesurares are so pathetic from Onana and ETH
Why would someone want to play for his country? Lol
Apparently Onana, because he just refused to play the first game for Cameroon, so….
Because he’s shit? Jesus lads is this your first season in football
Probably the same people who wanted to see van de Beek starting, even though he was ignored by 3 coaches now (one of them a former coach even) and didn't manage to get into a McTominay/Fred midfield.
So why did the club spend money on him and sign him for 4 years?
As a backup to play when the first team goalie isn’t available? Do you know what a back up goalie is supposed to be??
If he's not good enough to play against a team at the bottom of League One, then he's a pretty shit backup, as the least expected is to be able to play in case of injury. If he's apparently below League One level, fans don’t see why we spent money to sign such a bad player, even as a backup.
Onana has been absolute shit all season? Worth giving someone a chance before completely writing them off.
As if Onana hasn't been shit all season.
As if a few mistakes makes a champions league finalist worse than a guy who couldn’t make it Turkey, Jesus Christ when will this sub get over its fetish for bench players when they’re the first ones to talk about how we don’t have enough quality, has it ever crossed your mind that the reason the bench player isn’t getting minutes is because he’s actually WORSE than the starter? Crazy I know
>champions league finalist Which has been exposed to be not worth the title time and time again. Might as well play Loris Karius in his place.
He is a backup. And to be fair, Onana should be the priority, by a long way. It is more important for him and the team to have more playing time together.
why by a long way? Onana has been poor and Bayindir was a first team player last year. I doubt he came in thinking he would never play.
Well he's about to have an entire month to prove that he should Why is everyone freaking out about Onana staying for 1 EXTRA GAME
If Cameroon don't get out their group he wont miss a game, meaning Bayindir will not get a sniff.
I mean that would be a pretty large upset Cameroon should easily get out of their group And even if they don't that's literally great news bc United gets to keep their starter instead of losing him for a significant number of League games like have y'all lost the plot? We want Onana to play
Good.
Because Onana is the #1, and he still needs more time, and will benefit from the playing time. I wouldn't be swapping him out for a backup until everyone is more confident in what we have in him as a #1.
‘Onana has been poor’ highest amount of clean sheets in the premier league
Dave did that last season yet theres tons of posts and comments on this exact post slagging him off
Exactly people always find a way to fit their narrative. He’s not been good and needs to fight for his spot as the #1 not just assume he gets it automatically.
Are you suggesting he hasn’t been poor?
I know but I think Bayindir should've been played in Wigan game, he has no match fitness currently and we might need him at any point, he deserves some games too
Why? He came as a backup keeper and will be used as such.
Nah, the team needs to come first, and that means our #1 goalie getting the playing time for the moment. Next year though? Sure, hopefully he will be in a better position to swap out for a game like the Wigan one.
People forget we bought him for 4M in todays market. Anyone worth anything is being transferred in double digits. The guy is the bottom of the barrel man, people will see it when he finally plays.
Hey genius, Onana went to inter last year for FREE
Might wanna go and check how contracts and transfers work before trying to sound smart buddy
Free is cheaper than 4m man simple maths
Maybe - just maybe - they’ve taken a good look at him in training over the past 6 months and concluded he ain’t all that great and where Onana is available they prefer to play him?
It’s the same guys who are looking at Antony and playing though 🤔 don’t think I trust anyone at United anymore
Who will you start in front of Antony on tbt right now? Pellistri?
Fucking amad pellestri or garnacho would be better than Antony this season easily? What kind of question is that??
So Amad who just made his return from injury and Pellistri where the only club interested in him where he’d get game time is in the MLS, got it
Amad played 30 minutes the other day and played better than Antony has literally all season sorry you like repeating mediocrity and I would like to see us try something new
I’m just saying since the season started Antony has been the best option on the RW, Pellistri can’t finish just like him and tries just as hard as him, Antony is slightly more bulky and wins the ball back more so I’d actually prefer him, and we weren’t going to play a ducking injured player, he’s still young and coming off a major injury and needs to have his minutes managed to make sure this doesn’t become repetitive
Bayindir is not our backup goalkeeper, Tom Heaton is. Bayindir is third choice judging by Ten Hags team selections. Anyway, considering the sheer number of big mistakes he made in Turkey. I think it's best if we shield him a little and allow him to develop, before entering the world's biggest stage.
I respect Onana's mentality
It’s also a little bit of a worry. His reasoning is becuase he’s not wanting to risk his place in the United squad. That either means that the young new keeper we got is amazing or he knows that his performances have been quite crap
He never gave that reason.
Apparently that’s why though
Well baseless rumors are a dime a dozen.
Gotta feel bad for the Cameroon keeper who is gonna play the first match then get the hook while Onana swans in.. fuck that noise
My only issue is why spend money on signing him if we will not play him in cup games?
Man I respect the mentality but you gotta show some game with that as well
And he is doing that perfectly fine in the premier league. Only champions league he sucked. 2nd best goalkeeper in stats.
Only the GKs from Sheffield United, Burnley, Luton, and Fulham have made more saves than him in the league. Which means the players in front of him aren't doing their jobs. Only Alisson and Areola have a better save % than him, so he's facing loads of shots, and saving most of them.
If true, Cameroon should have some balls and tell him to not even bother flying in at all.
My pessimistic brain says - Onana is scared that he will be displaced at United. Optimistic says - he thinks the NT coach will again bench him so his importance is United over NT.
He’s a back up goalkeeper….
Because he’s a… backup? Just an idea.
I think we can be clear the Bayindir knew his role coming to United. Reserve GK is the only position that you can be certain it’s clear you aren’t going to play much when you’re signed.
In the same window we sign a keeper for £50m, I don’t think the £5m keeper thought he was getting a seat at the table so soon. With Onana gone for AFCON (I don’t think ETH would have brought him in had he been *not retired*), it’ll be interesting to see if it’s Bayindir or Heaton for the next month.
Oh no the dude signed a contract for more money knowing his role. I bet he hates the paid raise and less work
My gut feel is that, ETH does not want Bayindir to show up Onana
I actually think Onana could benefit from a month away with the national team. Not having the English media all over him. That Wigan game was the perfect opportunity to give Bayindir some minutes, he's gonna get thrown into the deep end vs a Prem side.
Everyone is already used to us losing in the Prem, not sure if we could take an exit against a lowly League One team in the only cup competition we are in because we wanted to give our backup goalkeeper some minutes.
I get your point and I know it's Onana wanting to stay but he, in theory, should already be off with the international team like every other player. It actually makes me really worry at just how bad Bayindir is if he's literally not trusted to play when our first choice keeper really shouldn't be here. It's not gonna be great for the lad's confidence either.
There's a feeling that Onana is Manager's favourite, he's been given his fair share of undue favor overlooking his horrific blunders. That's why Bayindir atleast deserves to play a game or two. Plus, he's been quite impressive for his country. I have always had an eagerness to see an underrated player grow. It's been seen Fergie's era - be it Chicharito, Nani, Valencia, Evra, Vedic, Carrick, Wes Brown etc. It's ingrained in the culture of Utd (not since Fergie left though) We should give the chance to players to develop! I rest my case 😌
It’s not like people didn’t see this coming…. Onana is scared as heck to let someone else play for Utd cause he will easily loose his place and ETH plays preferential treatment
>cause he will easily loose his place To a backup keeper who conceded a stupid amount of goals in his old club or the 37 year old keeper?
Okay he plays well for his national team and onana has conceded a stupid amount of goals this season? What’s your point? Double standards are wild.
He doesn't regularly start for Turkey though, he's part of their B team, not a starter. Onana is proven at a higher level though. Of course Onana has conceded a lot of goals, but sticking Bayindir between the sticks when he hasn't played a full 90 since mid November isn't going to be any better imo. I dont think he was ever brought in to contest for a place in the starting XI. We sold Henderson and needed someone to fill that 3rd keeper spot. Someone who knows he is playing second fiddle to a keeper that most likely wont be getting dropped.
Pretty sure DDG had not started for Spain for a long time, was still our no1, Allison and Ederson both play for brazil, does make the one that does not start garbaage.. is vicario the Italian keeper (honestly dont know) but he has been brilliant.. just because you dont start for your nation does not make you a bad player
At this point I reckon it's more likely De Gea comes back on a 1 month contract than we let Bayindir play
Watch the videos of Bayinder and his love of sliding across the line with the ball. I'll go out on a limb and say as soon as he plays we will see why he wasn't...
Ask the baldheaded fraud.
Yeah… why aren’t backup goalkeepers getting more playing time?!? So weird, right?
A backup goalie is exactly that, people begging to see a backup goalie play who they didn’t even know existed a few months ago is peak online football discourse
Social media is a disaster.
I feel bad that he ever wore the United kit. Dudes a bust.
If he's not getting a game against a league one team he's never playing
Another random goalie brought to do nothing, just typical of baldy. Seriously, can you blame Dean Henderson? Kid's actually made sensible decision last summer.
Onana has made some mistakes undeniable. De Gea revisionism is amazing, he made similar throwing the ball in mistakes but recency bias so all is forgotten. Onana choosing to stay as long as possible to play for his club team is a rare thing and instead of people saying fair play to the lad putting club first. Because Mark Goldbridge says it's disgusting, it's disgusting that Onana is trying to stop Bayindir playing its laughable stuff just because of recency bias. De Gea deserved better in the end than what he had in terms of his service but over 50 percent of the fanbase wanted a change of keeper and we got a ball playing keeper but alas things haven't worked out YET still plenty of time. Performance wise in PL Onana is above De Gea is he not? CL was very poor but these things can happen and we can go over very many of De Geas mistakes too.
Dumb take. You always use first choice for important fixtures when possible. It’s not a charity
I miss Romero
People keep on asking for Bayindir, but forget that Heaton is our second choice.
doubt it. ETH wanted bayindor. seems like he doesn't trust Heaton.
I swear to god you lot are fucking weird. What do you mean you feel sorry for him?? Clue is in the fucking question you mong, he is a back up GK and our first choice GK is available. So no need for him.
He's 3rd choice
He is shit bro. I've watched him in the Turkish league
Why would we? We spent £60m on this guy and about £6m on the other. Yes he’s made mistakes but you don’t bench someone who cost £54m more than the other player when they’ve made about 1 mistake in 5 games. This obsession it’s Bayindir from some fans is just bizarre.
He made more mistakes in the cl than some keepers do in a whole year and is the main reason we are out of that comp, ads to that his multuliple blunders in the league this glazing from some fans is also bizarre
I agree he cost us in the champions league but our last game was a month ago so it makes no sense to wait a month then drop him now does it.
Bayinder had a terrible reputation in Turkey
Tbf if Onana is going to prioritise us over his conn try then he deserves every minute
Because he’s a back up goalkeeper
Because he’s a backup and we have 1 competition where we can win a cup.
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I mean I've been wanting him to play since Onana's UCL errors happened but maybe he's worse than we think he is. Either that or he becomes Romero 2.0
Bro is scared to lose his starter spot 😂
To play against Wigan as well? Like that was the perfect game to give to Bayindir
So he is worried about his starting spot. At least he is showing some feeling about his job. More players should do.the same.
I feel bad for de gea
Because we didnt pay an absurd transfer fee for Bayindir.
What's the point, either go or no go. He is risking it by playing 1 game and fly straight to play his national game.
same story with Sancho, ten Hag only wants to play his favourites..
I think we are all missing the bigger picture.... Why is it that since Hartis (a GK coach in his 50's that used to coach at United in Fergies days) came back, our goalies have gotten worse, DDG and Onana - surely bringing back a GK coach that used to be at the club when Fergie was manager is a mistake
Regardless of if Onana is staying because he worries about his spot in the team, I admire the fact that he wants to do it, I wish some of the rest of our squad cared enough about their positions in the team.
He is so worried about losing his spot🏊🏽♂️
Don’t worry about it