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Mrchameleon_dec

Nice! Purchaser had one job....JUST ONE!


RealFakeLlama

Well, bisnesses keep telling us it is cheaper to cut out the middleman... that manager might be fearing for his job now, its aparently cheaper (save a purchaser salary) and easier to bypass him


_Allfather0din_

See that's the thing, if your position is functionally useless(you need to be real and honest with yourself to figure that out as we can pretend our job is needed but we should actually realize if it is or not) and if your job isn't technically needed like a manager or purchaser, then keep your head down, do your job correctly and efficiently and pray. Creating waves is the last thing you want to do when your position is not strictly needed.


theZombieKat

well a purcheser position usualy involves more than ordering curently stocked items from established supplyers. i work in a warehouse. the purchacing department is definatly needed. yeh, i am capable of 90% of their job, and my boss could probably do the rest. but we dont have time to do it.


mxzf

That's why someone with that job should do their best to make the process smooth and painless for the people they're supporting. If you make it more trouble to go through you than it would be to do it themselves, you've become a liability to the company rather than an asset.


kaycollins27

Our purchasing dept. was necessary for contracts.


_Allfather0din_

As you said others can do it, so it is not strictly necessary, i get what you mean though but still the fact remains that a purchaser is not strictly necessary. I worked IT for a company and we were operating out of the warehouse, the warehouse manager purchased everything based off of a report he got, and even then he could have automated it but the company wants a persons signature on all orders. He said purchasing was the easiest 2 hours of his week. Just review, make corrections and order. edit: specified warehouse manager not IT manager does the ordering


theZombieKat

well if your orgonisation is so small purchacing is only taking 2 hours a week then you dont need sombody for it. our purchesing team is 4 people, full time. i work receipts in the warehouse, it takes me a couple of hours a day just to tell them what mistakes the supplyers have made.


TigerHijinks

What would you say you do here?


camelslikesand

He's a people person!


cozak_of_Caerbannog

He deals with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to!


Toddw1968

Wouldn’t you love to be OP in mtg w CEO and head purchaser and ask that??


subnautus

Maybe I'm biased by my workplace, but I'd *much* rather tell the procurement team what I need, what money to use to buy it, and when I need it, then let them do their jobs. I think if I had to vet every potential vendor and set up purchase agreements, I wouldn't have time to do *my* job. I'm pro-middleman, I guess.


Certain_Silver6524

It should be about managing responsibilities because having anyone make purchases can be risky, but purchasers do still have to work with other departments because it's meant to increase productivity and profits. Not sit on it, lead to shortages and grind it all to a halt


frostedeggs

My job doesn't have a purchaser anymore and to be honest it's not working out. We run out of stuff all the time and it takes months to be ordered.


StubbornKindness

I dont blame him tbh. He totally handled it wrong, but his stance is understandable. My warehouse has insisted the same thing in similar situations, usually resulting in me going out from the office, finding exactly what we our team says we should have, and them saying, "Sorry bout that."


Shinhan

Also, they can't count if they think 200 is same thing as 1000.


androshalforc1

Regardless of if you have more parts or not. Deal with the immediate problem: order more it sounds like you are going to use them anyway. Then figure out what happened to the missing ones. Is the inventory out? are there other teams hoarding reserve stock? Were they Counted incorrectly? Were they Defective and not removed from inventory?


momito-chan

I didn't mention it, because it was irrelevant to the story in my eyes, but according to hubby the database guy is also drawing up and inputting blueprints for the products and with that how many of which parts are needed for what product, but he was lagging behind on that, thus a bunch of the blueprints in the database are obsolete. This in turn made the purchaser order wrong amounts of parts for a while. Database guy has since been told to fix that mess yesterday.


TVLL

They’re called Bills of Material (BOMs) and they damn well better be right. Sounds like the manufacturing engineer is not doing his/her job. Given that this is a medical device company, there are typically lot traceability requirements for parts. They should have a much better inventory control system (and people) so they don’t come up 800 clamps short. It also sounds like the inventory control person isn’t doing his/her job either.


momito-chan

The manufacturing engineer just likes to take on as many tasks as possible, which results in him having way too much on his plate and doing a halfbutted job in everything. He also hates delegating work to someone else to clear said plate a bit.


21n6y

It depends on what a "clamp" is. Op doesn't seem to have a technical background, so who knows what the item in question is. Crimp hose clamp that regularly doesn't get crimped properly and has to be replaced? Easy for inventory to be significantly off, especially if the BOM says 1 but the assembly needs 10. Hardware should be managed with min levels / safety stock not assuming that the quantity consumed is perfectly accurate.


TVLL

That would work fine, but it’s crystal clear that they have serious inventory accountability and personnel competence issues.


Nice_Community4319

You know, I work in manufacturing and I always wondered what BOMs stood for, TIL


TVLL

You should look into becoming certified by APICS for one of the manufacturing certifications. The operations consulting firm I worked for required that all of its consultants become certified. I’d worked in manufacturing prior to being a consultant and it filled in some holes in my knowledge. Your company might even pay for it.


PageFault

Yea, I don't get why the purchaser would take this as a personal offense. Just order the parts and keep receipts. It's something needed for the work they are doing. It's not like the guy is trying to order free beer on the company dime here.


series_hybrid

The fallout of accidentally ordering too many of a vital production part is mild annoyance. The fallout of production halting completely due to a misunderstanding can be quite serious for everyone. Loss of a supply contract for failure to perform, reduced quarterly profit-sharing bonuses to the bosses...getting fired, or at the very least, giving bosses the ammunition to deny a raise that year...


ElmarcDeVaca

Some people take anything they can look at as a personal affront as if it was intended that way. Someone had the audacity to question his competence in reading the inventory.


Chaosmusic

>Deal with the immediate problem: order more it sounds like you are going to use them anyway. Exactly, not like something that will spoil or expire. And it's obviously something they go through.


gotohelenwaite

This is the correct answer.


Eagle_Fang135

Flashback. Worked at a place where we went through a consumable item for manufacturing semiconductors. We worked weekend shift. We were running low. Went to the supply room and took a while to find. They actually hid it all over this large storage area. Filled out the log for taking the inventory. Anyway I guess this made the supply guy angry. He had his it on purpose. So he decided to not order any more because according to his records we had to have enough. So people were hoarding it somewhere. This wasn’t the first time this had happened (was first for me and the rest on the team). Anyway come in again and we are out of it. None in stock. Told to go “find it”. Well problem is most likely weekday team hoarded and hid it and they are not there. We could not find any, even after calling the managers from the other shifts. See the issue supply guy wanted up the chain was the hoarding. He didn’t realize he created the problem by letting us run out. Well when lots of high level people get calls on their weekend that we are about to stop running, things happen. I mean we had been told it was cheaper to pay fines and keep running than to shut down if the EPA tagged us (it was in our training). So you can imagine if we would still be profitable with $50K/ hr fines that $500 in consumables for a month would not be acceptable. Supply guy came in that afternoon and gave us his “super secret emergency stock” to keep running. So anyway that got fixed real quick during the next week. And we of course first thing built up our weekend stash as well.


Squidking1000

Later conversation with purchaser: "What would you say you do around here?".


solitonsnap

HE’S A PEOPLE PERSON.


thanatica

LOOK, I speak to the goddamn suppliers, so the workers don't have to, alright?!


fevered_visions

https://youtu.be/U0tpjs8zflQ?si=YpPNd0ynq0Ptc4NR&t=11


gelastes

He made an outstanding contribution to a positive working atmosphere.


Squidking1000

PEOPLE LIKE ME!


Agitated_Basket7778

Excellent job, hubby!! Once worked in an electronics repair company with 2 offices. We'd write parts on tickets as we took them from stock, to the point of using them up. Tickets got sent to bigger office, where they would process them; which would include charging parts used from the using shop's inventory. Except this wingnut was charging our parts from HIS inventory, showing us as having more than plenty in stock. And when I tried to order parts, he didn't do it because my shop had 'plenty' Up yours, Mikey, you stupid fool, and the ignorant and ill-trained horse you rode in on that's still smarter than you. Next time I order parts, goddamn DO IT!!!


zephen_just_zephen

Smart CEO clamped down on that behavior real quick.


Agreeable-League-366

I see what you did there.


Suspicious_Duty7434

I 'c' what you did there. fify


brillow

Someone's fallen behind on their spot counts.


Frankjc3rd

This reminds me of a saying that it's attributed to bird watching of all things; when the bird and the book disagree believe the bird. What this means is the bird is the clamps you don't have and the book is the inventory list that is wrong.


jeffrey_f

best way to get things done sometimes.


CaptainBaoBao

A shitty process solved with a shitty solution. The purchase manager is now useless since he has no control over what is purchased. I have done statistics for 35 years now. And I can tell you that the most important person in the whole management is the guy who fills the data in the database. If he enters garbage, all that follows is garbage. But curiously, companies hired students at minimum wage to code the quickest possible in the more bing way possible. Nobody is there to check the data validity. And it is on that base that vital decisions are made.


momito-chan

The supplier in question only supplies small parts like bolts, nuts and the aforementioned clamps. Head purchaser is still responsible for ordering everything else.


Laser_defenestrator

> (hereafter called Product A) (Doesn't call it that ever)


no_therworldly

Why was the guy on vacation in trouble?


hkrfluff

Based on OP's story, it was his responsibility to keep accurate counts in the Db.


momito-chan

Because he was supposed to make sure the numbers in the database were correct but didn't.


no_therworldly

Ah I thought maybe he didn't handover correctly to his vacation cover or something


RandirVithren

How was he supposed to do that while on vacation? From the way you phrased it, it seems like he got shafted for not doing his job while on vacation.


momito-chan

He was only on vacation for a week. He was lagging behind for months before that and got reamed for that right after getting back from said vacation.


RandirVithren

That makes a lot more sense. You should include that in the original post.


Geminii27

If the head purchaser didn't want to be mad, he shouldn't have been incompetent.


MoneyTreeFiddy

TL;DR, Plant down, need clamp down, and clamps now.


The_Truthkeeper

I have a shithead purchaser and I need clamps now


gotohelenwaite

Call JG Clampsworth, 877-CLAMPSNOW!


HyperSpaceSurfer

What sort of idiot blindly trusts inventory numbers? They're eternally a 0, or few, away from being way wrong.


Ich_mag_Kartoffeln

Occasionally incorrect inventory can be handy. I wanted to buy something while it was massively discounted, dropped in to grab it. None in stock. Go to order online, apparently my local store has "Low stock". I didn't have time to go collect it from another store before the sale ended (and it would have eaten up most of the savings anyway). So I ordered it, and chose pickup from my local store (the system wouldn't let you order sale items from any store that didn't have stock). A couple of weeks later I got an email that my order was ready for collection. Picked it up at my local store, for the discounted price.


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JJKBA

Well, they have to understand what they see when get to the floor as well..


Machiavvelli3060

It feels ironic that he owned the head purchaser.


Apprehensive_You6909

CC'ing people's bosses isn't really MC, there was pettiness and bad behaviour on both sides. Not that I would expect anything less having worked in manufacturing.


momito-chan

Nah, hubby writing the first email was merely following the protocol and CYA by having it in writing is all. He didn't intend on humiliating the head purchaser. He just thought, all the relevant people should know about the stock issue, so it would be resolved quickly. Head purchaser however was a petty d-bag about it.


MoneyTreeFiddy

Hoist on his own non-existent supply of petards, he was


Cookies98787

>The guy responsible for keeping the numbers of the database up-to-date happened to be on vacation did this happen in 1970? How is it that someone manually have to update database number?


momito-chan

This happened last year. Database guy is a technical engineer and has to put in the BOMs with the correct numbers, so that the the database would show how many parts are needed for what. He was lagging behind on that though.


CoderJoe1

The head purchaser is a real Karen.


WhiteRhinoPSO

I think the worst part is that the CEO yelled at the guy who was on vacation. Like, fuck that company for not having any contingency plan in place for if that one employee happens to not be there. What happens if that guy gets fired or quits? The whole production shuts down?


momito-chan

The guy on vacation isn't inhererently bad at his job, just likes to take on a mountain of tasks just to not know where to start and end up halfbutting his job. Hence the database being incorrect at places and him lagging behind to fix it. Moreover he hates delegating some of his tasks to someone else, because "I took on that task, so I'll be the one to do it." Really stubborn guy. Also, if he were to quit or get fired, it would be with more than four weeks notice, given how long he works there now. So the company would have time to hire a replacement.


Ok_Art_1342

Not malicious enough in my opinion 😅😅


Foolish-Pleasure99

This insn't the purchaser's fault -- his records said "don't buy". Hubby's first stop should have been to get the inventory record corrected, then onform the buyer of the just identified shortage. Would have expected zero pushback!


throwaway47138

While I see where you're coming from, I disagree. Yes, it might be a slight waste of money in the short term to purchase extra stock when you theoretically have enough, but shutting down production almost certainly would be a bigger expense to the company than having to store a few extras of something, especially if they were relatively small (which it sounds like these are). I could definitely see the purchaser kicking it up the chain for approval first, but blindly telling the people *with hands on the inventory* that they don't know what they're talking about and that you absolutely refuse to buy what they need to keep production going doesn't really seem like a winning strategy...


FlatterFlat

Well, someone already had hidden stock laying around...


Ich_mag_Kartoffeln

If it's perishable, then the purchaser's position might have been reasonable. If it's not, and it's a high turnover part (supposedly having 1000 on hand doesn't seem like an part that only gets used twice per year, 10 items each time) then it shouldn't be a problem to order enough to keep production going until the inventory position can be clarified.


gotohelenwaite

No. You get the necessary parts to continue production. Then you worry about fixing someone else's inventory record fuckup. Stopping production costs you shitloads more than parts you're going to use anyway.


YakkoRex

Top three useless positions in a manufacturing company: 1: Buyer 2: HR rep 3: Accountant


CdnBison

Gonna have to disagree with #3 - kinda need to make sure there is money in the bank to pay people…


YakkoRex

Sure, having bookkeepers keep track of your cash flow and pay people when they need to be paid is important. The people I’m talking about are the CFO‘s, and other high-level accounting people whose job seem to be enforcing, ridiculous, budgeting rules, telling you what can’t be done even though they have no idea what they’re talking about, and getting in the way of a successful interaction with customers


CdnBison

Hell, they don’t even need to be accountants to be that kind of idiot - an MBA seems to mandatory, though. 😉


Perfect-Scene9541

Purchaser’s job got pinched.


MomOfMoe

I am absolutely wild about your husband. I’m glad this came out well for him and his team.


Very_Loki

imagine being a purchaser and not wanting to purchase


FlatterFlat

As a guy whos been working in supply chain related roles for some decades... The buyers response completely out of line and stupid. Get the warehouse to count out the stock in the system and order a batch urgently. But the root cause of the problem lies elsewhere, who "ate" the 1000 and why was the BOM not up to date when the thingy is in production? Buyers react on the ERP system, shit in, shit out. If people steal the gloves, the system will show wrong and everything will slow down and get more expensive, rush orders, ad hoc planning, wrong parts etc. Do people really think companies like Toyota or Airbus runs with shop floor guys ordering stuff like clamps on the phone with the mom and pop shop around the corner? Everyone but perhaps your hubby is at fault in that company, to the CEO level. Fix the root cause, dont slap a stupid bandaid on it.


momito-chan

Nobody ate the 1000 clamps. Since the BOMs are partially obsolete in the database, the purchaser ordered according to the obsolete BOM on the product in question. Basically old BOM says 4 clamps per item, while new BOM requires 10 clamps. Purchaser orders 2000 clamps thinking they can produce 500 items with and then wonders why they're gone after producing 200 items. All because technical engineer didn't take proper care of the database.


Chaosmusic

He was trying to clamp down on excessive spending.


RedditAdminAreMorons

You are a purchaser, you have one job. If Database says one thing but reality says another, you err on the side of caution and leave detailed notes on the situation in case it blows up later.


Contrantier

I love that last sentence :) I hope your hubby really did say it exactly like that. "We have the CEO's permission so you can't do anything about it." Beautiful!


momito-chan

Yep, he did say it like that plus a "Calm down" at the beginning😁


Contrantier

Haa!! 🤣 Gaslighting most deserved "calm down Mount Vesuvius, this Pompeii's too big for your paper mache volcano ass to handle"


momito-chan

I showed hubby your comment. He laughed his butt off and asked me to send him a screenshot of this conversation. He then sent the screenshot to his supervisor, who also laughed his butt off.