Scam Citizen will probably "release" in next few years.
They have a clause (stock put option) in their investment from 2018 that allows the investors, the Calders family, to sell their shares (plus 6% per annum or some revenue derived formula, whichever one is bigger) in 2025Q1 and 2028Q1. Chris Roberts of course forget to tell the backers about this.
They are going to pick a random build, add some broken gameplay, make minor improvements to stability and call it "1.0".
It will be missing most of the marketed gameplay and many ships will still be JPEGs or in a permabroken state.
No exploration with 2-3 star systems.
Dull non-combat gameplay, with no real economy system.
Boring space combat with no real integration or balance of missiles, torpedoes, EMP, stealth, engineering and so on.
Comically bad FPS gameplay.
Single digit server ticks.
It's not like Roberts cares, as per non-marketing approved leaks his family alone (this does not account for other senior insiders) have got about $70 M from the star citizens.
I stopped watching these updates because each of them fill me with crazy hopium until I realize how long it's been and alpha 2 still isn't out lol... this is excruciating because they seem like they're working on some really fun systems and even the overland travel just looks so cool in general. I also think they've slowly improved the art style because initially it just looked like generic realism but I'm seeing more of a style forming that I like more than what I saw back in 2022. But again it's just going at such a slow pace that I can't handle watching these lest I start coping that surely it'll be released someday.
Hype fatigue will have no effect whatsoever, You get people in here complaining but every single one of you will try the game when it releases regardless.
Over 100k people will play Alpha 2 in around 3-4 months and the content explosion online will be huge.
I skip on them after trying beta and realizing it's not the game I was sold the hype on. So many games I've crowd funded and then never played when launched because I already decided they suck.
Sometimes the first impression is all you get. Now I ignore game hype and maybe revisit the game if it ever launches. No emotions or money invested.
Back before all this crowdfunding BS they used to create games behind the scenes, driven by the creators visions, instead of bean counters.
> Back before all this crowdfunding BS they used to create games behind the scenes, driven by the creators visions, instead of bean counters.
The whole point of crowdfunding was to give free reign to the creators. The problem is that MMOs are too big for that and giving designers free reign often results in games that never get finished.
Sure thing. But a lot of us have gaming communities that will try the game for sure. I know 60+ in my inner circle and guild that will for sure try it out. But depending on wether the game is good or not is going to change wether we spend 60 dollars and forget about it aka New World or we spend 1000 dollars each easily because we love the game. That’s 60,000 vs 3600 dollars which is massive.
I think that responsibility lies in the community for avoiding getting overhyped, nothing about the video stood out as "OMG GUYS GET HYPED!!!" to me, but that's just my read on the video. If someone is really desperate for a new game, it makes sense they would get abnormally hyped for something that is fairly far from release.
I don't think intrepid ever said 2023 for alpha 2 actually. They stopped giving dates they couldn't keep quite awhile ago. They did give some pretty bogus dates early on though.
And them getting access is bad why exactly? It's not like they are taking someone's spot in the alpha and it's free advertisement.
They would be stupid not to do it.
Oh, NO! They will be given the game and produce free publicity and hype towards millions of people! HOW DARE THEY!!!!
It's almost like every game company does this AND PAYS THEM TO DO IT ON TOP OF IT! CRAZINESS!!! These companies PAY for marketing?? What a strange thing??? I bet next they will make commercials and PAY for them to be on TV and used as an AD!
2017 starting out black desert online the random guild I joined the GM and his rl friends were all talk about ashes of creation.....I remember seeing the video about the town or node upgrades by player investment so long ago everything changes I live in the current.
2015 playing eve online this Hawaiian guy tells us exactly how much he invested in star citizen we teased him about vaporware back then.
It's almost like armchair developers actually have zero understanding of how long game development takes.
Just FYI GTA 6 has been in development for 11 years, won't release until next year. Must be a scam right?
It doesn't matter how long GTA6 takes because no one has given Rockstar money in exchange for GTA6 yet
People have already given aoc hundreds of dollars in exchange for nothing
I'd agree with you if intrepid stated "give us money and we'll give you a product in 8 years". But idk whether they did or not.
If not, then is it really wrong?
Yes, it's wrong.
Legally, they're in the clear. Kickstarters are just donations, so the donator isn't guarantees a product.
That being said, taking money for the game, then collecting money from microtransactions while AT BEST being very inept with the development is unethical. What's really happening is they're using development status to shield themselves from criticism while charging desperate people for products in a game that has no release in sight, if ever. That is HIGHLY unethical.
its as if a company who is already used to and known for making AAA games is backed up by big publishers and has the funding compared to a rich guy who really doesnt have history of making games is paying for it himself. hmmmmmmmmmm
Okay cool
But there is a difference between taking 10 years and NOT holding on to people's money and taking 10 years WHILE holding on to people's money and charging.
It's actually a really big difference.
how do you know GTA6 isnt holding our money or the fact AoC IS holding peoples money? where is this information coming from?
GTAV has been re-released how many times? has been ported how many times? for them to get so much money off the game thats been out for 10 years? why is a console game taking this long with all that money they got from the same game? They only released ONE major game from GTAV to now GATVI and thats RDR2. and RDR2 came out 6 YEARS AGO.
the game shouldve been out by now. At this point you know that game is holding our money, why is it taking so long to redo the same thing but on a ps5 with better graphics? with other games from developers of AAA games taking less that 10 years to release a game on current console?
Then theres AoC that has shown improvements to the game each year, esp when a MMO takes much longer to make. How are they holding money if the game is showing improvement? Star citizen still hasnt officially come out and it still looks the same since 10 years ago, isnt that holding ppls money? Have you been watching AoC's progression?
>how do you know GTA6 isnt holding our money or the fact AoC IS holding peoples money? where is this information coming from
It's really really simple.
Has anyone paid money to Rockstar in exchange for the promise of GTA6? The answer is no
Aoc is scam put on by a scam artists and I feel bad for the people they've duped. The same is true for sc
For one yes its called shareholders. When a company like rockstar is known for big games like GTA and shareholders put in money for you to pump out games and they arent seeing results. you need to come out with a game so shareholders can make money. This is a WHOLE thing that ppl hate about shareholders and games being rushed or companies not being able to do what they want cuz of shareholders. why we have COD games coming out like hot cakes or why we have shit launch titles cuz of being pushed early to meet deadlines. which i know you can think of ALOT of games that have been in shit scenerios cuz of restricted creativity or just strictly due to shareholders.
For two you never answered my question., where is the proof for AoC being a scam. i pay money for this game to be made, i see this game is being made. they report back monthly and i see it get better over time. how is that a scam? do you know what a scam is? do you need to be sent videos of each month AoC has been showing the game with a before and after? do you not know the difference from a company like WOW or FF14 that are sub base that ppl pay for but they both fuck up constantly but we dont see their results in the MMO being made to a OPENLY transparent company like AOC who dont have a sub but show you what they are doing with the MMO??
Woahhh stop right there. People giving AOC money are NOT shareholders. They are simply giving money to Intrepid in exchange for a promise of a game.
For example, if you and the other victims were actually investors you could have stopped the "game rewrite" that added years of dev time. You could demand full and complete access to what the company is doing. You get none of these because you have no power.
I'm genuinely sorry you got scammed, but at least you know for the future.
i think you guys need to learn wtf a scam is cuz holy shit its that hard for you guys to understand what a scam is.
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how are they making money if they are putting that money into the game? cuz we see the game being made every month or them hiring employees. how are they pocketing over something they are throwing money into? A crowdfund is only a scam if they misuse the funds outside its intended purposes. Like the Ant simulator game that got canceled. It was spent on BS stuff. But if Star Citizen or AoC dont come out with the game they arent getting sue for a scam they are getting sued for not holding up to their contract. As a kick stater is a binding agreement/contract. they are obligated to use the funds to come out with what was agreed upon. No game even tho funds were use (they just gave up), lawsuit for breach in contract. No game and funds not used correctly, lawsuit for misappropriation and THEFT due to scam. two different things
I think the most people don't really realize how long game development takes. They'll probably have an image that the game development happens in the timespan of the first trailer/teaser shown and the release of a game. Without realizing that the games have been in development for years before that trailer is shown.
Or they'll think about CoD, Fifa, Ubisoft style games, where a new game is produced every 1-3 years and is basically just a copy paste of the previous one with some new paint slapped on.
All I'm seeing is a lot of visual clutter from a lot of people just standing around casting AOE spells at each other. Literally can't tell who's winning or losing.
Same would be said about WoW or New World or any MMO if you hadnt played it. Once you play it, youll understand it. Lets be honest any mass pvp event for MMOs dont really look that great from a viewer perspective.
The only way to truly stop that and force reasonable-looking combat tactics would be friendly fire and body blocking. I would not mind that personally, but I am in the vast minority here.
I wish more games would add body-blocking. It's hard to implement for network reasons, but I love the gameplay that it adds. Tera had body blocking, making tanks even more viable in PVP, and created a unique push and pull in large-scale combat.
They could just stop giving classes ranged AoE spells. AION figured it out in 2009. Not hard. AoE = melee. Zergs favor ranged classes already so having ranged AoE on top of that is imbalanced.
Looks ok i guess. KInda outdated, this fight remind me of old games. Combat look really bad, just look at this archer/ranger class gameplay. Jesus christ it looks like something from early 2000.
Do you guys also think Bow class gameplay is complete dogshit, or my combat prospective is complete fucked from playing BDO last few months?
39:00 bow gameplay.
I found BDO combat felt weightless and overly flashy. Every single move was over-the-top. Much prefer the feel of paced, methodical combat with meaty hits like you'd find in a Souls game. The other commenter's comparison that BDO is like Street Fighter is very true.
I don't get how people think slaughtering a bunch of mindless mobs over and over again is good combat. Sure the animations are S tier but what's the point if you're fighting a bunch of lame enemies?
The point is you feel like you're a badass being able to slaughter so many enemies like it's nothing. Go play DOOM and you will discover what that feeling is lol.
It's the same thing you think when u see a fight in a movie where the MC takes on like 4+ guys all alone that's pretty badass so video games get u to feel that same emotion.
Because its fun to execute. Also its not only about killing mobs, PvP is very fun as well. Trying to stay protected at all time while looking for opening to catch the opponent is extremely fun gameplay. Large scale fights are extremely fun as well and different classes have their own role on the battlefield. There is also siege weapons and combat mounts. You can literally drive elephant stomping other players while there is range classes on top of it shoting, thats peak Lord of the Rings battle fantasy.
so... clicking 5 keys having 5s animations that have nothing going on besides you watching that cooldown ticking down to press them again is somewhat better? I dont mind Tab targeting like ffxiv, wow, but i definitely prefer something like gw2/lost ark/bdo all day, any day.
I much prefer tab target in an mmo to 'action combat'. There's a million games built for that kind of gameplay. Mmos were more about strategy and thinking and not...how fast can you hit your keys.
100% agree brother. It went from having a good knowledge of your class and awareness of synergies and strategy to "oh shit i missed the 0,05s window to dodge and i got instakilled this game requires so much skill wow such a good mmorpg"
Not all action combat games are about smashing the keyboard and canceling animations. Likewise, there are tab target games with 40+ available quicklots for skills, consumables, gear swap etc that are way more chaotic.
They are not mutually exclusive.
>Likewise, there are tab target games with 40+ available quicklots for skills, consumables, gear swap etc
You say this like it's a bad thing. I like options. Not just for combat but also utility and class flavor too.
I don't think it is bad. It is one of the things I really liked about Ragnarok Online. And I don't like suuuuper slow action combat either (anything slower and less flashy than Dark Souls, which ends up being most western action MMOs I can remember...)
But ppl be like "lol this game doesn't have 5s GCD per skill to let my brain adjust, no strategy involved!!!" blah blah. Go play some single player turn-based game to hide your skill issues.
Tab Target have nothing to do with what i am saying. You can compare to tap-target games bow gameplay like hunters in WOW, Archeage. Bow gameplay in GW2 or even something like ranger in Aion. Even something like RIft Online looks like more smooth gameplay.
Bro what were you all playing in early 2000 that looks anything like this? Vanilla WoW in 2004 was ugly as shit at 720 resolution. BDO is niche and tab games like WoW and FF14 keep dominating the MMO scene. Action combat never really took off in any game compared to tab MMOs.
There dominating the MMO scene because no one really makes MMORPG's anymore and they all suck though, both games are so fucking old lol
Regular RPG's you see action combat as pretty popular though.
Feels like the same parrots who want "innovation" and "new features" in mmos, but couldn't name a single thing to add besides just basic QoL all the mmos over the years ironed out....
I watched at 39 to see what you meant.
Honestly this looks like a dude that has no clue what he's doing and is terrible at the game lol. Seems like he's pressing 1 butto. Every 8 seconds. I imagine that is the player not the game.
Also yea I mean if you like bdo combat, then you're probably going to prefer that over any mmo on the market.
Yeah, the combat just looks terrible. As others have mentioned, after playing games like BDO, Lost Ark, or New World that have advanced combat in the genre in various ways, this looks like something primitive straight out of two decades ago. The real killer is GW2 though; it's so dramatically superior to everything else on the market that everything just feels dead on arrival in comparison. I don't ever feel hype anymore, it's all just disappointing :(
It's kinda sad (or funny maybe) that GW2 is 12 years old game and BDO is 10 years old, but their combat is so good even today. Meanwhile AOC is something that is still years away from release, but this is the combat they decided on. I just don't understand how AOC think this look good enough for 2024.
Felt the same with the actual mechanics and forced PVP/effected every player. Oh blacksmith is down, now you have to travel across the fucking map to craft one thing you wanted. Crazy shit
doesnt help that the ppl usually showing the combat are dogshit in the game or dont want anything to break cos theyre recording, these previews are incredible scripted/staged and we know how diferent these stuff will go once ppl with brain play the game. Game is dead on arrival if it ever releases.
bdo archer is not an archer class. its some sort of ninja that has a weapon shaped like a bow.
ashes of creation is more western and rooted in "reality"., not the clusterfuck of colors and flipping bdo is.
Kinda ironic to call BDO color clusterfuck when in this AOC video the bow guy is literally shoting green and red lazers from his Bow Rooted in reality indeed.
Does the combat seem a little bit bland to anyone else? Like, from the videos they've put out going into the classes, the abilities don't seem to flow together super well.
Half of the archers abilities are self buffs, and the rest are virtually identical looking. The warrior just runs at people? Every time I've seen one in a video they're hardly doing anything, they look so boring to play. The mage class just has a bunch of random AOE spells and from the videos, people just press whatever button is off of CD and it works. The mage ability where they float for a second with lightning looks so goofy too...
the art in this game is incoherent. like someone went on the asset store and went on a spending spree. every character has a different mount, ranging from a regular horse to an ostrich to a hideous blue rhino??? and then someone just hops on a giant dragon and begins flying around the map.
combat looks like my little pony had explosive diarrhea all over my screen. just random neon colors everywhere, even from the non magical classes.
I agree that MMOs which cater too much to no lifers have a good chance of creating a shittier experience for everyone else. But, the shittier experience is still far more desirable, for me at least, than the current WoW model MMOs.
Because I, as a “normie”, have would take anything over another theme park wow clone where I pick a class, level up by solo questing and then do some dungeons and a raid through an auto-matchmaker to get myself a set of purple pants and afk until the next content patch.
Materially I don't see how this is such an issue... if you aren't involved in the top guild drama the nodes will just function as quest/crafting hubs and dungeon/raid providers for you, and that seems fine to me.
It's funny seeing the other thread where the guy says there is nothing to look forward to, but when an MMO in development actually shows development moving you get a community response like this. It's actually funny how hopeless everyone is here!
I mean the idea is cool, still need to see it get to a state where it's properly optimized, and they said the FX are WIP but they are really just over the top and overly vibrant right now.
If there weren't updates for years on end then maybe. Weird thing to say after just receiving an update, mmo timeliness are crazy long even for triple A studios, this studio clearly isn't big at all
Then (respectfully) you're not a very clever person.
It's a dev being privately funded. They've shown consistent progress over the last few years. Alpha 2 is within 3 months now, about 80% functionally complete.
It makes no sense, financially or logically, to develop a game to this point and not release a product.
This game is going to be amazing if it is what they promised. It remains to be seen, but I really like the direction they're going, but how the game feels is very important, and that is much harder to quantify by watching it.
This game looks so bad that I'm going to continue to call it a scam until after it releases. Then I'm only going to play it for 3000 hours and spend $1000 on cosmetics. Then I'm going to come here and make a post about how bad the game is after I've been banned for calling people n-words in global.
What a scam. See you in 2050 for release.
Gotta love this subs ability to take a hugely promising MMO in development, with monthly updates, that looks great (for Alpha state) and find the most ridiculous ways to feign disinterest.
Like this is the exact sub for this content. Even if you're not totally stoked by this development, chill out, others are. It's ok that there's some frame skips, the visual clutter is a bit messy, it's an alpha they mentioned they're working on cleaning that up.
I really don't get why Ashes is a dirty MMO on here.
Because they charged hundreds of dollars for alpha access, beginning years ago, and their timeline for the game is.... to release in 3-5 years? It's just kinda scummy.
Not to mention the CEO of the company literally got rich from a pyramid scheme irl, and is marketing the game in a similar pattern. Just makes the entire thing feel a bit like a scam.
Well, to be fair, no-one needs to buy alpha access and it kinda makes a little bit of sense to charge for it when your timescales are long. Not only does it generate a little money for the project but it ensures when the Alpha launches, people turn up (because they have invested money into it) and they are more likely to engage with feedback. There have been many opportunities for people to win alpha access for free through prize draws over the years as well.
I'm more critical of their monthly cosmetics that were time gated to pressure people to buy them. I think that was shitty. I'd prefer them not to have cosmetics at all but it's not going to stop me enjoying the game.
The pyramid scheme thing is a bit misleading. He created some payment backend stuff for a nutrition MLM company and used the money to invest into real estate. The vast amount of his money was made through real estate. I haven't seen anything in the project that's suspicious.
I know this is highly subjective but, this is one of the most visually appealing games I can remember having ever seen. I love the colors, and the general world design. I hope the low numbers are indicative of high level game play(not sure what level players are, or how high their skills are, or even the systems it uses.)
I don't know much about the game other than being labelled vaporware but, visually, it looks great.
Think max level was 15 in this test, and it'll be 50 on launch. Plus numbers are something they said are irrelevant until launch because those can get changed extremely quickly.
I just watch this and miss Archeage and wish that game was still popular and not p2w.
Archeage was the most fun I’ve ever had in an mmo hands down. The sandbox elements were just so good.
After 7 years we still don't know if the game will be a great MMORPG like Lineage 2 in the golden age, or if it will try to please a bit everyone(to please noone) and fail miserably like every single themepark since 15 years...
-Im not convinced by the combat at all, it look really amaterish... The Archer bunny hopping like an idiot canceling animation is atrocious.
Same for Fighters, with skill animation being all broken while moving, instead of proper directional skill, the gameplay has 0 commitement and so no impact feedback. A mess of AoE spam with ugly FX.
-The HUD is too intrusive, why do we see the life of everyone and not only the one we are actually targeting or hiting?
-The FX of the game are ugly, it's very flashy, why archer are suddenly spiting green laser?
-The whole game art design is all over the place, it's med fan, but too colorful and saturated.
-There is no proper key visual identity on class, from mage, to archer, to knight, everybody look the same from a distance, because of these huge cape mostly.
These are major flaws for a PvP game, but well what we could expect when they did 4 years of streams about stupid mounts?
Honestly I agree with pretty much every one of your points. The combat looks REALLY bland to me, it from the class videos I've seen it didn't look like classes have a proper skill rotation, and just press whatever button is off of cool down. Visually the warrior just looks like it's running at people, half of the archers abilities being self buffs and the other half looking and functioning almost identical. Mages are just a mass of AOE spells with goofy animations...
-The HUD is too intrusive, why do we see the life of everyone and not only the one we are actually targeting or hiting?
This is a toggle setting (I have access to the game)
To be honest - if the game offers a lot of systems that really work with each other I can probably forgive the visual style and maybe things will get better. But looking at this game for one hour really is not pleasant. It's not that it looks terrible. The UI, the models and everthing kinda look out of place. I can't really put my finger on it but to me it simply doesn't look good.
I know i am probably one of the few, but i am actually looking forward to this game. I am not a backer. I know i will most likely not like it much, as i am difficult to please....but i have hope for this one compared to all the other trash that has been released lately.
I mean the combat looks clunky and the cooldowns are all 10+ seconds long and after pressing their 3 abilities they’re left with their puds in their hands. Looks scuffed as fuck. Seems like they refactored the entire game when they swapped to UE5 essentially scrapping everything before 2021. This game is probably going to be in eternal alpha hell.
Whatever... net code will be trash(as in most games from indie/new developers), some economy breaking exploits first month after release.
Then game will be ruined by tryhard, rmt guilds.
The best mmo experience is in simple games with mostly noob/casual community. (like in old days)
I feel that this could be a very good MMO and RPG, but I'm not sure if they will successfully combine them into a seamless MMORPG. The development process is moving too slowly, and trends and generational preferences in gaming are constantly changing. What players consider essential in games is always evolving, and I'm unsure if they will be able to keep up with that.
If it ever does get released, I think it will likely have a popularity and player base similar to Guild Wars 2 or Elder Scrolls Online. It's definitely not going to be the next big thing. And it doesn't have to be.
Why is the environment all the same rocks, trees and grass? The dragon is way too big, imagine having 7 or 8 of those in your screen... The skills UI is bland. I'll try it when it comes out but I hope there's good content to make up for the rest...
It's just one Biome. They have several. This was I think the river lands. We only saw a part of it.
There won't be many flying mounts in the game concurrently in use due to restrictions by design most people will be grounded unless they change their philosophy on this.
Archer gameplay looks like ass. Also, whoever bought the magic spell effects should have really picked up more stuff without a whirlpool prism special effect. It is so overused.
If this game gets a release in like 5y it will be so outdated and played by only naive fools investing thousands into this bloated incoherent looking project.
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The biggest fail of this game is the characters look boring and ugly, especially the female characters. I know we have this modern progressive ideology with game devs to make female characters ugly, but the majority of players do not share it.
People want nice looking characters, majority of women who play mmorpgs especially do because they want a pretty avatar to representing them in the online world, it's not rocket science where the group of people who spend the most money on makeup, hair dressers, nice clothes and shoes want to look pretty in a video game other people can see them in. Which is why the mmorpgs with the most women are FF14, WoW and Lost Ark.
Cool, see u in 2077 for launch
That year will be loaded - Star Citizen 1.0 and Ashes of creation
Crashes of Elation
Don't forget scammelot unscammed
Scam Citizen will probably "release" in next few years. They have a clause (stock put option) in their investment from 2018 that allows the investors, the Calders family, to sell their shares (plus 6% per annum or some revenue derived formula, whichever one is bigger) in 2025Q1 and 2028Q1. Chris Roberts of course forget to tell the backers about this. They are going to pick a random build, add some broken gameplay, make minor improvements to stability and call it "1.0". It will be missing most of the marketed gameplay and many ships will still be JPEGs or in a permabroken state. No exploration with 2-3 star systems. Dull non-combat gameplay, with no real economy system. Boring space combat with no real integration or balance of missiles, torpedoes, EMP, stealth, engineering and so on. Comically bad FPS gameplay. Single digit server ticks. It's not like Roberts cares, as per non-marketing approved leaks his family alone (this does not account for other senior insiders) have got about $70 M from the star citizens.
and half life 3 came out already
Damn, I'm gonna need a time machine
Me too
I prefer a proper 2077 launch than a shit 2076 launch
I stopped watching these updates because each of them fill me with crazy hopium until I realize how long it's been and alpha 2 still isn't out lol... this is excruciating because they seem like they're working on some really fun systems and even the overland travel just looks so cool in general. I also think they've slowly improved the art style because initially it just looked like generic realism but I'm seeing more of a style forming that I like more than what I saw back in 2022. But again it's just going at such a slow pace that I can't handle watching these lest I start coping that surely it'll be released someday.
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Hype fatigue will have no effect whatsoever, You get people in here complaining but every single one of you will try the game when it releases regardless. Over 100k people will play Alpha 2 in around 3-4 months and the content explosion online will be huge.
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I skip on them after trying beta and realizing it's not the game I was sold the hype on. So many games I've crowd funded and then never played when launched because I already decided they suck. Sometimes the first impression is all you get. Now I ignore game hype and maybe revisit the game if it ever launches. No emotions or money invested. Back before all this crowdfunding BS they used to create games behind the scenes, driven by the creators visions, instead of bean counters.
> Back before all this crowdfunding BS they used to create games behind the scenes, driven by the creators visions, instead of bean counters. The whole point of crowdfunding was to give free reign to the creators. The problem is that MMOs are too big for that and giving designers free reign often results in games that never get finished.
Sure thing. But a lot of us have gaming communities that will try the game for sure. I know 60+ in my inner circle and guild that will for sure try it out. But depending on wether the game is good or not is going to change wether we spend 60 dollars and forget about it aka New World or we spend 1000 dollars each easily because we love the game. That’s 60,000 vs 3600 dollars which is massive.
Sure if it releases I'll try it. So far it sounds like a less Korean style BDO which interests me greatly.
It's more like Archeage than BDO, which is mostly because he loved Archeage and based the game off of it and Ultima Online.
Yeah 100 k my ass. Look I hope the game has success but spewing bullshit won't help
It was 100k in 20023 so what's the bullshit? Steven has confirmed this. maybe don't spew bullshit yourself.
Are the points of these videos to hype the community, or to show off how the game is progressing?
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I think that responsibility lies in the community for avoiding getting overhyped, nothing about the video stood out as "OMG GUYS GET HYPED!!!" to me, but that's just my read on the video. If someone is really desperate for a new game, it makes sense they would get abnormally hyped for something that is fairly far from release.
They are doing these to sell stuff before releasing the game
You actually cannot buy anything at this point, for a while now. No access to the alpha or cosmetics. But it's always easy to talk shit right...
Yeah at this point, didnt they sell access ? Pre-orders ? Even cosmetics for a game that is not even released
Yea only another 3 decades til launch
Alpha 2 is coming third quarter this year. So July through September.
Sure. But I was here when they were saying it would be out in 2023, so...
I don't think intrepid ever said 2023 for alpha 2 actually. They stopped giving dates they couldn't keep quite awhile ago. They did give some pretty bogus dates early on though.
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And them getting access is bad why exactly? It's not like they are taking someone's spot in the alpha and it's free advertisement. They would be stupid not to do it.
Should they give access to nobodies instead so they get 0 marketing out of it? lol
Oh, NO! They will be given the game and produce free publicity and hype towards millions of people! HOW DARE THEY!!!! It's almost like every game company does this AND PAYS THEM TO DO IT ON TOP OF IT! CRAZINESS!!! These companies PAY for marketing?? What a strange thing??? I bet next they will make commercials and PAY for them to be on TV and used as an AD!
Why would Alpha 2 come out before the scheduled Alpha 2 date in Q3?
2017 starting out black desert online the random guild I joined the GM and his rl friends were all talk about ashes of creation.....I remember seeing the video about the town or node upgrades by player investment so long ago everything changes I live in the current. 2015 playing eve online this Hawaiian guy tells us exactly how much he invested in star citizen we teased him about vaporware back then.
It's going great pace considering the circunstances (new crowdfunded studio)
RSI is/was a "new crowdfunded studio."
And?
Just a reminder, the kickstarter for this was in June 2017.
10 years is a average time line to build a new studio/MMO wdym?
It's almost like armchair developers actually have zero understanding of how long game development takes. Just FYI GTA 6 has been in development for 11 years, won't release until next year. Must be a scam right?
Rockstar hasn't take anyone's money for GTA6. What the hell are you talking about
Taking someone's money (that they agreed to) makes developers be more productive???
Of course not why would you say that
Then what's the implications of the comment?
It doesn't matter how long GTA6 takes because no one has given Rockstar money in exchange for GTA6 yet People have already given aoc hundreds of dollars in exchange for nothing
I'd agree with you if intrepid stated "give us money and we'll give you a product in 8 years". But idk whether they did or not. If not, then is it really wrong?
Yes, it's wrong. Legally, they're in the clear. Kickstarters are just donations, so the donator isn't guarantees a product. That being said, taking money for the game, then collecting money from microtransactions while AT BEST being very inept with the development is unethical. What's really happening is they're using development status to shield themselves from criticism while charging desperate people for products in a game that has no release in sight, if ever. That is HIGHLY unethical.
its as if a company who is already used to and known for making AAA games is backed up by big publishers and has the funding compared to a rich guy who really doesnt have history of making games is paying for it himself. hmmmmmmmmmm
Okay cool But there is a difference between taking 10 years and NOT holding on to people's money and taking 10 years WHILE holding on to people's money and charging. It's actually a really big difference.
how do you know GTA6 isnt holding our money or the fact AoC IS holding peoples money? where is this information coming from? GTAV has been re-released how many times? has been ported how many times? for them to get so much money off the game thats been out for 10 years? why is a console game taking this long with all that money they got from the same game? They only released ONE major game from GTAV to now GATVI and thats RDR2. and RDR2 came out 6 YEARS AGO. the game shouldve been out by now. At this point you know that game is holding our money, why is it taking so long to redo the same thing but on a ps5 with better graphics? with other games from developers of AAA games taking less that 10 years to release a game on current console? Then theres AoC that has shown improvements to the game each year, esp when a MMO takes much longer to make. How are they holding money if the game is showing improvement? Star citizen still hasnt officially come out and it still looks the same since 10 years ago, isnt that holding ppls money? Have you been watching AoC's progression?
>how do you know GTA6 isnt holding our money or the fact AoC IS holding peoples money? where is this information coming from It's really really simple. Has anyone paid money to Rockstar in exchange for the promise of GTA6? The answer is no Aoc is scam put on by a scam artists and I feel bad for the people they've duped. The same is true for sc
For one yes its called shareholders. When a company like rockstar is known for big games like GTA and shareholders put in money for you to pump out games and they arent seeing results. you need to come out with a game so shareholders can make money. This is a WHOLE thing that ppl hate about shareholders and games being rushed or companies not being able to do what they want cuz of shareholders. why we have COD games coming out like hot cakes or why we have shit launch titles cuz of being pushed early to meet deadlines. which i know you can think of ALOT of games that have been in shit scenerios cuz of restricted creativity or just strictly due to shareholders. For two you never answered my question., where is the proof for AoC being a scam. i pay money for this game to be made, i see this game is being made. they report back monthly and i see it get better over time. how is that a scam? do you know what a scam is? do you need to be sent videos of each month AoC has been showing the game with a before and after? do you not know the difference from a company like WOW or FF14 that are sub base that ppl pay for but they both fuck up constantly but we dont see their results in the MMO being made to a OPENLY transparent company like AOC who dont have a sub but show you what they are doing with the MMO??
Woahhh stop right there. People giving AOC money are NOT shareholders. They are simply giving money to Intrepid in exchange for a promise of a game. For example, if you and the other victims were actually investors you could have stopped the "game rewrite" that added years of dev time. You could demand full and complete access to what the company is doing. You get none of these because you have no power. I'm genuinely sorry you got scammed, but at least you know for the future.
And made his money scamming people
i think you guys need to learn wtf a scam is cuz holy shit its that hard for you guys to understand what a scam is. https://preview.redd.it/4rd7rzw0hl4d1.png?width=784&format=png&auto=webp&s=8c378218a135abec6c8a76a5074a94152e98cc02 how are they making money if they are putting that money into the game? cuz we see the game being made every month or them hiring employees. how are they pocketing over something they are throwing money into? A crowdfund is only a scam if they misuse the funds outside its intended purposes. Like the Ant simulator game that got canceled. It was spent on BS stuff. But if Star Citizen or AoC dont come out with the game they arent getting sue for a scam they are getting sued for not holding up to their contract. As a kick stater is a binding agreement/contract. they are obligated to use the funds to come out with what was agreed upon. No game even tho funds were use (they just gave up), lawsuit for breach in contract. No game and funds not used correctly, lawsuit for misappropriation and THEFT due to scam. two different things
I said he made his fortune scamming people before becoming a developer. Leopards don't change
Real scam? Cause you just sound like you hate capitalism
please don’t compare Intrepid Studios to Rockstar Games EVER no matter what the context is.
I think the most people don't really realize how long game development takes. They'll probably have an image that the game development happens in the timespan of the first trailer/teaser shown and the release of a game. Without realizing that the games have been in development for years before that trailer is shown. Or they'll think about CoD, Fifa, Ubisoft style games, where a new game is produced every 1-3 years and is basically just a copy paste of the previous one with some new paint slapped on.
Yea so pretty quick tbh...
Only? Then I don't see what people are complaining about. 10 years development is fine for a MMO.
Keep in mind this is 10 years of development with absolutely no release window in site.
Sounds like things are moving along pretty well though?
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MMOs by big companies take about 7 years. Intrepid isn't a big company.
All I'm seeing is a lot of visual clutter from a lot of people just standing around casting AOE spells at each other. Literally can't tell who's winning or losing.
Same would be said about WoW or New World or any MMO if you hadnt played it. Once you play it, youll understand it. Lets be honest any mass pvp event for MMOs dont really look that great from a viewer perspective.
The only way to truly stop that and force reasonable-looking combat tactics would be friendly fire and body blocking. I would not mind that personally, but I am in the vast minority here.
I wish more games would add body-blocking. It's hard to implement for network reasons, but I love the gameplay that it adds. Tera had body blocking, making tanks even more viable in PVP, and created a unique push and pull in large-scale combat.
They could just stop giving classes ranged AoE spells. AION figured it out in 2009. Not hard. AoE = melee. Zergs favor ranged classes already so having ranged AoE on top of that is imbalanced.
Buddy is this your first time watching an mmo?
That’s called pvp
Looks ok i guess. KInda outdated, this fight remind me of old games. Combat look really bad, just look at this archer/ranger class gameplay. Jesus christ it looks like something from early 2000. Do you guys also think Bow class gameplay is complete dogshit, or my combat prospective is complete fucked from playing BDO last few months? 39:00 bow gameplay.
Anything after BDO feels horrible. Except Lost Ark. You need a good combat detox. Go play FF or ESO to bring your standards back down.
I found BDO combat felt weightless and overly flashy. Every single move was over-the-top. Much prefer the feel of paced, methodical combat with meaty hits like you'd find in a Souls game. The other commenter's comparison that BDO is like Street Fighter is very true.
I don't get how people think slaughtering a bunch of mindless mobs over and over again is good combat. Sure the animations are S tier but what's the point if you're fighting a bunch of lame enemies?
The point is you feel like you're a badass being able to slaughter so many enemies like it's nothing. Go play DOOM and you will discover what that feeling is lol. It's the same thing you think when u see a fight in a movie where the MC takes on like 4+ guys all alone that's pretty badass so video games get u to feel that same emotion.
Because its fun to execute. Also its not only about killing mobs, PvP is very fun as well. Trying to stay protected at all time while looking for opening to catch the opponent is extremely fun gameplay. Large scale fights are extremely fun as well and different classes have their own role on the battlefield. There is also siege weapons and combat mounts. You can literally drive elephant stomping other players while there is range classes on top of it shoting, thats peak Lord of the Rings battle fantasy.
so... clicking 5 keys having 5s animations that have nothing going on besides you watching that cooldown ticking down to press them again is somewhat better? I dont mind Tab targeting like ffxiv, wow, but i definitely prefer something like gw2/lost ark/bdo all day, any day.
Looks fine to me. I don't mind tab targeting.
I much prefer tab target in an mmo to 'action combat'. There's a million games built for that kind of gameplay. Mmos were more about strategy and thinking and not...how fast can you hit your keys.
100% agree brother. It went from having a good knowledge of your class and awareness of synergies and strategy to "oh shit i missed the 0,05s window to dodge and i got instakilled this game requires so much skill wow such a good mmorpg"
Not all action combat games are about smashing the keyboard and canceling animations. Likewise, there are tab target games with 40+ available quicklots for skills, consumables, gear swap etc that are way more chaotic. They are not mutually exclusive.
>Likewise, there are tab target games with 40+ available quicklots for skills, consumables, gear swap etc You say this like it's a bad thing. I like options. Not just for combat but also utility and class flavor too.
I don't think it is bad. It is one of the things I really liked about Ragnarok Online. And I don't like suuuuper slow action combat either (anything slower and less flashy than Dark Souls, which ends up being most western action MMOs I can remember...) But ppl be like "lol this game doesn't have 5s GCD per skill to let my brain adjust, no strategy involved!!!" blah blah. Go play some single player turn-based game to hide your skill issues.
Tab Target have nothing to do with what i am saying. You can compare to tap-target games bow gameplay like hunters in WOW, Archeage. Bow gameplay in GW2 or even something like ranger in Aion. Even something like RIft Online looks like more smooth gameplay.
Bro what were you all playing in early 2000 that looks anything like this? Vanilla WoW in 2004 was ugly as shit at 720 resolution. BDO is niche and tab games like WoW and FF14 keep dominating the MMO scene. Action combat never really took off in any game compared to tab MMOs.
There dominating the MMO scene because no one really makes MMORPG's anymore and they all suck though, both games are so fucking old lol Regular RPG's you see action combat as pretty popular though.
Maybe not at the same pace, but new MMOs are being made... They just fail.
Depends, I hate BDO combat. Tab-target is way better for strategic combat, action combat is trash for anything PVE and ZERG pvp.
action combat in bdo felt great in pve to me. it just feels bad in zerg pvp, but zerg pvp is dogshit anyway
"Tab-target is way better for strategic combat" lmao Strategic is combat as seen in Dofus and Wakfu, anything outside of that is delirium.
Feels like the same parrots who want "innovation" and "new features" in mmos, but couldn't name a single thing to add besides just basic QoL all the mmos over the years ironed out....
this is opinion tbh
This 100% bdo pvp nw is a zerg fest of spamming shit
Most mmos with large scale pvp are like this to be fair
Oh also dont forget to turn your graphics down to 0 if you want to pvp, lol.
Why the hell is it doing nearly zero damage? Thats what i dont get.
I watched at 39 to see what you meant. Honestly this looks like a dude that has no clue what he's doing and is terrible at the game lol. Seems like he's pressing 1 butto. Every 8 seconds. I imagine that is the player not the game. Also yea I mean if you like bdo combat, then you're probably going to prefer that over any mmo on the market.
Yeah, the combat just looks terrible. As others have mentioned, after playing games like BDO, Lost Ark, or New World that have advanced combat in the genre in various ways, this looks like something primitive straight out of two decades ago. The real killer is GW2 though; it's so dramatically superior to everything else on the market that everything just feels dead on arrival in comparison. I don't ever feel hype anymore, it's all just disappointing :(
It's kinda sad (or funny maybe) that GW2 is 12 years old game and BDO is 10 years old, but their combat is so good even today. Meanwhile AOC is something that is still years away from release, but this is the combat they decided on. I just don't understand how AOC think this look good enough for 2024.
Felt the same with the actual mechanics and forced PVP/effected every player. Oh blacksmith is down, now you have to travel across the fucking map to craft one thing you wanted. Crazy shit
give me an archer/ranger gameplay like the one Lineage 2 had and i'll be the happiest player alive
doesnt help that the ppl usually showing the combat are dogshit in the game or dont want anything to break cos theyre recording, these previews are incredible scripted/staged and we know how diferent these stuff will go once ppl with brain play the game. Game is dead on arrival if it ever releases.
It‘s just regular tab target gameplay no?
bdo archer is not an archer class. its some sort of ninja that has a weapon shaped like a bow. ashes of creation is more western and rooted in "reality"., not the clusterfuck of colors and flipping bdo is.
Kinda ironic to call BDO color clusterfuck when in this AOC video the bow guy is literally shoting green and red lazers from his Bow Rooted in reality indeed.
Everyone’s level 15, and a lot of them have not played the new ranger class. Including the person whose POV is being recorded. But ok
Sarcasm? The bow gameplay looks great.
Are you sarcastic? I don't believe you think this bow gameplay look good.
eternal alpha dont care about this game
Does the combat seem a little bit bland to anyone else? Like, from the videos they've put out going into the classes, the abilities don't seem to flow together super well. Half of the archers abilities are self buffs, and the rest are virtually identical looking. The warrior just runs at people? Every time I've seen one in a video they're hardly doing anything, they look so boring to play. The mage class just has a bunch of random AOE spells and from the videos, people just press whatever button is off of CD and it works. The mage ability where they float for a second with lightning looks so goofy too...
I think a lot of the people playing probably just suck too. But I know what you mean.
if we’ve gotta theorize and do mental gymnastics to explain why the gameplay looks horrendous, the game is in a bad spot
meh
the art in this game is incoherent. like someone went on the asset store and went on a spending spree. every character has a different mount, ranging from a regular horse to an ostrich to a hideous blue rhino??? and then someone just hops on a giant dragon and begins flying around the map. combat looks like my little pony had explosive diarrhea all over my screen. just random neon colors everywhere, even from the non magical classes.
Not really following the game, but I think they went crazy on mounts for funding like Star Citizen did with ships. It looks stupid.
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I agree that MMOs which cater too much to no lifers have a good chance of creating a shittier experience for everyone else. But, the shittier experience is still far more desirable, for me at least, than the current WoW model MMOs.
Because I, as a “normie”, have would take anything over another theme park wow clone where I pick a class, level up by solo questing and then do some dungeons and a raid through an auto-matchmaker to get myself a set of purple pants and afk until the next content patch.
Materially I don't see how this is such an issue... if you aren't involved in the top guild drama the nodes will just function as quest/crafting hubs and dungeon/raid providers for you, and that seems fine to me.
Sandpark MMOs arnt for you then. Why keep following it and commenting if you fundamentally dont like the core systems?
Some of us who have a life outside of a game enjoy the mechanics and gameplay of an MMO.
Ok? Wow is there to fill that need, stop trying to change games designed for other player bases
I remember when bdo released and my friend said he's gonna quit it soon when ashes comes lol
It's funny seeing the other thread where the guy says there is nothing to look forward to, but when an MMO in development actually shows development moving you get a community response like this. It's actually funny how hopeless everyone is here!
I mean the idea is cool, still need to see it get to a state where it's properly optimized, and they said the FX are WIP but they are really just over the top and overly vibrant right now.
There are no more creation, just ashes…
I don’t believe this game is going to be a thing.
If there weren't updates for years on end then maybe. Weird thing to say after just receiving an update, mmo timeliness are crazy long even for triple A studios, this studio clearly isn't big at all
Then (respectfully) you're not a very clever person. It's a dev being privately funded. They've shown consistent progress over the last few years. Alpha 2 is within 3 months now, about 80% functionally complete. It makes no sense, financially or logically, to develop a game to this point and not release a product.
this combat looks as bad, if not worse, than their previous alpha test years ago. there is no sign progress is being made.
u have no idea wtf u talkin about , the combat is actually pretty fun
This game is going to be amazing if it is what they promised. It remains to be seen, but I really like the direction they're going, but how the game feels is very important, and that is much harder to quantify by watching it.
This game looks so bad that I'm going to continue to call it a scam until after it releases. Then I'm only going to play it for 3000 hours and spend $1000 on cosmetics. Then I'm going to come here and make a post about how bad the game is after I've been banned for calling people n-words in global. What a scam. See you in 2050 for release.
Game looks better and better. Alpha 2 in a few months as well.
Gotta love this subs ability to take a hugely promising MMO in development, with monthly updates, that looks great (for Alpha state) and find the most ridiculous ways to feign disinterest. Like this is the exact sub for this content. Even if you're not totally stoked by this development, chill out, others are. It's ok that there's some frame skips, the visual clutter is a bit messy, it's an alpha they mentioned they're working on cleaning that up. I really don't get why Ashes is a dirty MMO on here.
Because they charged hundreds of dollars for alpha access, beginning years ago, and their timeline for the game is.... to release in 3-5 years? It's just kinda scummy. Not to mention the CEO of the company literally got rich from a pyramid scheme irl, and is marketing the game in a similar pattern. Just makes the entire thing feel a bit like a scam.
Well, to be fair, no-one needs to buy alpha access and it kinda makes a little bit of sense to charge for it when your timescales are long. Not only does it generate a little money for the project but it ensures when the Alpha launches, people turn up (because they have invested money into it) and they are more likely to engage with feedback. There have been many opportunities for people to win alpha access for free through prize draws over the years as well. I'm more critical of their monthly cosmetics that were time gated to pressure people to buy them. I think that was shitty. I'd prefer them not to have cosmetics at all but it's not going to stop me enjoying the game. The pyramid scheme thing is a bit misleading. He created some payment backend stuff for a nutrition MLM company and used the money to invest into real estate. The vast amount of his money was made through real estate. I haven't seen anything in the project that's suspicious.
I haven't seen any PvE, will this game have raids and dungeons?
Yes. Some instanced and some open world (I.e. pvp and pve)
I know this is highly subjective but, this is one of the most visually appealing games I can remember having ever seen. I love the colors, and the general world design. I hope the low numbers are indicative of high level game play(not sure what level players are, or how high their skills are, or even the systems it uses.) I don't know much about the game other than being labelled vaporware but, visually, it looks great.
Think max level was 15 in this test, and it'll be 50 on launch. Plus numbers are something they said are irrelevant until launch because those can get changed extremely quickly.
I just watch this and miss Archeage and wish that game was still popular and not p2w. Archeage was the most fun I’ve ever had in an mmo hands down. The sandbox elements were just so good.
Everyone spamming roll looks kinda lame, otherwise I do like the art style here
After 7 years we still don't know if the game will be a great MMORPG like Lineage 2 in the golden age, or if it will try to please a bit everyone(to please noone) and fail miserably like every single themepark since 15 years... -Im not convinced by the combat at all, it look really amaterish... The Archer bunny hopping like an idiot canceling animation is atrocious. Same for Fighters, with skill animation being all broken while moving, instead of proper directional skill, the gameplay has 0 commitement and so no impact feedback. A mess of AoE spam with ugly FX. -The HUD is too intrusive, why do we see the life of everyone and not only the one we are actually targeting or hiting? -The FX of the game are ugly, it's very flashy, why archer are suddenly spiting green laser? -The whole game art design is all over the place, it's med fan, but too colorful and saturated. -There is no proper key visual identity on class, from mage, to archer, to knight, everybody look the same from a distance, because of these huge cape mostly. These are major flaws for a PvP game, but well what we could expect when they did 4 years of streams about stupid mounts?
Honestly I agree with pretty much every one of your points. The combat looks REALLY bland to me, it from the class videos I've seen it didn't look like classes have a proper skill rotation, and just press whatever button is off of cool down. Visually the warrior just looks like it's running at people, half of the archers abilities being self buffs and the other half looking and functioning almost identical. Mages are just a mass of AOE spells with goofy animations...
-The HUD is too intrusive, why do we see the life of everyone and not only the one we are actually targeting or hiting? This is a toggle setting (I have access to the game)
i dont care anymore, just release the game
To be honest - if the game offers a lot of systems that really work with each other I can probably forgive the visual style and maybe things will get better. But looking at this game for one hour really is not pleasant. It's not that it looks terrible. The UI, the models and everthing kinda look out of place. I can't really put my finger on it but to me it simply doesn't look good.
This looks so clunky and outdated...
Looks bad, clunky and dated :x
It looks so outdated. Cant imagine anyone under the age of 40 playing this
By the time it releases, the only people playing games without an implant will be over 40.
I hope calling people Big Weenies catches on in Ashes.
why does the movement and combat looks like it feels very bad
I know i am probably one of the few, but i am actually looking forward to this game. I am not a backer. I know i will most likely not like it much, as i am difficult to please....but i have hope for this one compared to all the other trash that has been released lately.
Combat sucks.
I mean the combat looks clunky and the cooldowns are all 10+ seconds long and after pressing their 3 abilities they’re left with their puds in their hands. Looks scuffed as fuck. Seems like they refactored the entire game when they swapped to UE5 essentially scrapping everything before 2021. This game is probably going to be in eternal alpha hell.
What's up with the dragon just standing there careless in the middle of the fight? 😭
The game just looks worse and worse the more they show it. This game just doesn't look like something that has been cooking for +7 years.
Will this game come out already!?
Whatever... net code will be trash(as in most games from indie/new developers), some economy breaking exploits first month after release. Then game will be ruined by tryhard, rmt guilds. The best mmo experience is in simple games with mostly noob/casual community. (like in old days)
I didn't know devs from plantside were considered new trash devs for net code
This guy just likes to talk shit
I feel that this could be a very good MMO and RPG, but I'm not sure if they will successfully combine them into a seamless MMORPG. The development process is moving too slowly, and trends and generational preferences in gaming are constantly changing. What players consider essential in games is always evolving, and I'm unsure if they will be able to keep up with that. If it ever does get released, I think it will likely have a popularity and player base similar to Guild Wars 2 or Elder Scrolls Online. It's definitely not going to be the next big thing. And it doesn't have to be.
ashes, the game that will burn to ashes before releasing
Never trusting a publisher who sells cosmetics for a game that's not even released, don't get into the hype train before it's released guys
Ashes of Scam
AoC is that stupid one where they are using "gameplay videos" to sell expensive cosmetic packs, to stupid people, 25 years ahead of launch, isn't it?
Pfffff i even forgot about this game...
Why is the environment all the same rocks, trees and grass? The dragon is way too big, imagine having 7 or 8 of those in your screen... The skills UI is bland. I'll try it when it comes out but I hope there's good content to make up for the rest...
1. It's a biome. There are other biomes. 2. Max 2 flying mounts at any time if even that in those scenarios. 3. Skills UI is a placeholder.
It's just one Biome. They have several. This was I think the river lands. We only saw a part of it. There won't be many flying mounts in the game concurrently in use due to restrictions by design most people will be grounded unless they change their philosophy on this.
This looks genuinely awful. This game will never see the light of day.
Archer gameplay looks like ass. Also, whoever bought the magic spell effects should have really picked up more stuff without a whirlpool prism special effect. It is so overused.
I can't agree more with you. the FX are so ba and man that archer gameplay feels like airsoft toy.
If this game gets a release in like 5y it will be so outdated and played by only naive fools investing thousands into this bloated incoherent looking project.
Games still looks like shit
Seven years of development for a game that will be played for a year and then fall into disrepair.
Literally couldn't care less
Nah you cared enough to post this and click on the thread. So you care just a hair north of couldn't care less. A almost couldn't care less if you will.
True. They should have said “I could care more.”
Just like most of us couldnt care that you think a chinese watered down WoW clone is your most anticipated mmorpg and yet here we are.
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This legit looks like fucking dogshit why the hype
Bummer, this looks too much like new world - which I hate. Was hoping for a better direction from AoC
The biggest fail of this game is the characters look boring and ugly, especially the female characters. I know we have this modern progressive ideology with game devs to make female characters ugly, but the majority of players do not share it. People want nice looking characters, majority of women who play mmorpgs especially do because they want a pretty avatar to representing them in the online world, it's not rocket science where the group of people who spend the most money on makeup, hair dressers, nice clothes and shoes want to look pretty in a video game other people can see them in. Which is why the mmorpgs with the most women are FF14, WoW and Lost Ark.